The Work Wire

Psychological Safety Isn’t What You Think It Is

Thu, 19 Jun 2025 16:00:00 -0000

In this bold and unfiltered episode of The Work Wire, Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club, and Johnny C. Taylor, Jr., President and CEO of SHRM, dismantle the myths surrounding one of the most misused phrases in today’s workplace lexicon: psychological safety.

Far from being a license for comfort or an excuse to dodge accountability, psychological safety—originally defined by Harvard’s Dr. Amy Edmondson—is about creating a culture where people can take interpersonal risks without fear of retaliation or embarrassment. But in practice, it’s been twisted into something else entirely.

Bob and Johnny take on:

The difference between being nice and being kind—and why the former may be a managerial cop-out.
Why “transparency” is often demanded but rarely welcomed.
The tension between accountability and empathy—can you really have both?
The difference between skeptics and cynics, and why the former might be your culture's secret weapon.
Reciprocity in psychological safety—why it must go both ways to work.
Why failure is acceptable… but only when it’s well-executed.

This episode is not about tiptoeing through tough conversations—it’s about how real leaders build resilient cultures where truth can be spoken, decisions can be challenged, and people can grow.

Psychological safety doesn’t mean comfort. It means courage.

Listen now on Apple Podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-work-wire/id1724236534

Or on Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/show/0B2h7zqojjLQemKTVjdpTt

AI First, People Second? Shopify’s Hiring Revolution

Thu, 05 Jun 2025 16:00:00 -0000

In this thought-provoking episode of The Work Wire, Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club, and Johnny C. Taylor, Jr., President and CEO of SHRM, break down one of the most audacious talent policies in recent memory: Shopify’s new rule that no new hires will be approved unless teams can prove that AI cannot do the job.

This isn't just a headline—it's a signal flare. The age of AI-first hiring has officially begun.

Bob and Johnny go deep on:

What this policy means for the future of work—and workers.
The nuanced role of AI as a displacer, a partner, and a performance enhancer.
Why CEOs are shifting from “encourage AI use” to “mandate AI proof.”
How HR leaders should respond when the CEO wants to follow Shopify’s lead.
Why job descriptions need to be deconstructed into tasks—and audited for automation.
The uncomfortable but necessary conversation about retaining great humans vs. hiring new ones.
And why CHROs must lead the charge in redefining not just jobs, but work itself.

This episode challenges listeners to rethink what hiring, retention, and even competency look like in an AI-integrated workplace. And it asks the uncomfortable but urgent question: Are we really preparing people—or just protecting them?

Listen now on Apple Podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-work-wire/id1724236534

Or on Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/show/0B2h7zqojjLQemKTVjdpTt

Meta, Rehire Blacklists, and the Quiet Power of HR

Fri, 18 Apr 2025 17:19:00 -0000

In this episode of The Work Wire, Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club, and SHRM President & CEO Johnny C. Taylor Jr. dig into a controversial practice making headlines: Meta’s “Do Not Rehire” lists—and the silent consequences they carry for careers.

What happens when a top performer is quietly marked as ineligible for rehire—without explanation, without appeal, and with no way to challenge the label?

Johnny and Bob unpack the complexities behind this increasingly common practice and explore:

Why “Do Not Rehire” lists exist—and where they cross the line

The difference between a security risk and a poor culture fit

How HR professionals can challenge manager bias and escalate bad calls

What candidates should do when flagged by a former employer—and how to take back the narrative

Whether Meta’s reputation as an employer brand can withstand the growing pattern of culture-first exclusions

This isn’t a theoretical issue. It’s real, and it’s happening at scale.

Whether you're in HR, hiring leadership, or navigating your own job search—this episode brings clarity, perspective, and practical advice to one of the most ethically gray areas in the modern workplace.

Navigating the BullDOGE Era: AI, Tariffs, and the Future of Work - Part 2

Thu, 03 Apr 2025 18:06:00 -0000

In this insightful second part of The Work Wire podcast, hosts Bob Goodwin and Johnny C. Taylor Jr. delve deeper into the ramifications of the "BullDOGE Era," examining critical topics impacting the workforce today. From the rapid adoption and disruptive potential of AI, to the tangible effects of newly imposed tariffs, Bob and Johnny unpack what these changes mean for both employers and employees. They explore the vital need for ongoing reskilling and lifelong learning, discuss the shifting responsibilities of businesses to foster strategic human capital management, and reflect on the challenges and opportunities presented by recent shifts in diversity, equity, and inclusion policies. Tune in as they provide thoughtful guidance on navigating uncertainty and emphasize the importance of personal accountability in shaping one's career amidst unprecedented change.

The Bulldoze Era: What Happens When Government Gets Streamlined Like a Startup?

Thu, 27 Mar 2025 16:59:00 -0000

In this eye-opening episode of *The Work Wire*, Bob Goodwin is joined by Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President & CEO of SHRM, to unpack the sweeping changes taking shape under what Bob dubs the "Bulldoze Era"—a rapid-fire effort to dismantle bureaucracy, slash federal agencies, and upend traditional policies. From the Department of Education's possible shutdown to AI-fueled layoffs and the implosion of DEI initiatives, nothing is off the table.

Together, Bob and Johnny explore:

What "efficiency" really means when people's livelihoods are at stake
Why lifelong learning is no longer optional—it's survival
The future role of HR leaders in a volatile, tech-powered workplace
How businesses and workers can adapt in the face of abrupt change

Whether you view these shifts as reform or reckless overreach, one thing’s clear: the future of work is being rewritten—fast. Tune in for honest analysis, bold predictions, and a call to own your career like never before.

Busted, Broken, and Leaky: Fixing America’s Education-to-Workforce Pipeline

Sat, 08 Mar 2025 00:27:00 -0000

In this compelling episode of The Work Wire, Bob Goodwin sits down with Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President & CEO of SHRM, to unpack his recent Congressional testimony on the state of education, workforce readiness, and untapped talent pools.

Johnny shares unfiltered insights on why America’s education system is failing both students and employers, why traditional degrees aren’t always the answer, and how skills-based hiring, vocational training, and a shift in mindset can solve the growing talent crisis.

They also discuss:

• Why employers struggle to find job-ready candidates despite record education spending

• The growing importance of trade schools and alternative career pathways

• How AI and globalization are changing the future of work

• The untapped potential of military veterans, differently-abled workers, and second-chance hires

It’s time to rethink education, hiring, and the way we prepare people for work. Don’t miss this eye-opening conversation!

Return to Office, DEI, and Trump 2.0: What’s Next for Work?

Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:31:00 -0000

With major executive orders and shifting workplace trends, the balance of power between employers and employees is changing fast. Bob Goodwin and Johnny C. Taylor Jr. discuss the federal return-to-office push, the future of DEI, and why companies are reevaluating how they measure employee value.

Is the remote work era over? What’s next for workplace culture? Find out in this must-listen episode of The Work Wire.

The Work Wire - Unpacking Extreme Leadership Decisions and Their Impact

Sun, 09 Feb 2025 17:23:00 -0000

A CEO's harsh firing of 90% of his employees via Slack reveals significant issues in leadership, communication, and employee accountability. The incident serves as a poignant reminder for leaders about the importance of setting expectations, cultivating a respectful culture, and demonstrating emotional intelligence in challenging situations.

• A shocking story of a CEO firing 90% of his staff

• Analyzing both sides of the conflict between the CEO and employees

• The implications of employee integrity in unpaid roles

• The importance of emotional intelligence in leadership

• Recruitment and cultural fit as preventative measures

• Self-reflection and humility as essential leadership qualities

• The human cost of volatility in leadership styles

The Work Wire - Navigating 'The Great Flattening' and Middle Management's Future

Sun, 26 Jan 2025 18:00:00 -0000

What if the hierarchical structures that have defined our workplaces are holding us back from true productivity and profitability? Join us as we explore "The Great Flattening" trend reshaping the business landscape for 2025 with Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President and CEO of SHRM. Despite record profits and soaring stock market performances, companies are reconsidering the role of middle management and contemplating workforce reductions. Together with Johnny, we unravel the historical cycles of corporate restructuring, from re-engineering to centralization, and confront the complex challenges that today's businesses face, even when traditional economic indicators suggest stability.

Middle managers, often the unsung heroes of the corporate world, are more critical than ever. We dive into how these crucial players can shift perceptions and showcase their indispensable value. By aligning their roles with key performance indicators and effectively communicating their achievements, middle managers can secure their careers and climb the corporate ladder. Drawing parallels to sports teams, we discuss how removing obstacles and supporting team members can drastically enhance overall performance, making a compelling case for the essential nature of these roles in ensuring an organization's success.

In our engaging conversation with Johnny, we also touch upon the broader themes of career development and HR support, emphasizing the significance of embracing new ideas and approaches. Through personal anecdotes, we highlight the importance of self-assessment and staying prepared for future opportunities. As we navigate this evolving landscape, Johnny's expert insights provide a roadmap for individuals eager to thrive in their professional environments. Stay tuned for future episodes where we continue to offer valuable guidance and inspiration for building a successful career.

The Work Wire - Embracing Change and Resilience in Leadership

Wed, 11 Dec 2024 21:00:00 -0000

Join us for an insightful conversation with Johnny C. Taylor Jr., CEO and President of SHRM, as we uncover the essence of embracing change in a rapidly evolving world. Discover how swift advancements in technology, like AI tools such as ChatGPT, demand that we adapt or risk obsolescence. We'll explore how embracing change transforms potential stress into powerful advantages, propelling us into the future with confidence.

Inspired by a riveting keynote at SHRM 24 in Chicago, we discuss the metaphor of buffaloes versus cows in tackling adversity. Much like buffaloes charging into storms, purposeful leadership is about confronting challenges head-on and steering teams through turbulent times. With insights from Seth Godin's "The Dip," we highlight the power of resilience and purpose, motivating people to push beyond the initial highs of a new journey through the inevitable dips that follow.

Our episode also navigates the complexities of skepticism in change management, distinguishing between skeptics and cynics. We highlight the value of diverse perspectives in enhancing decision-making and fostering inclusive environments. Through personal stories, we emphasize the importance of commitment and genuine feedback, building trust, and resilience during change and uncertainty. Join us as we explore the art of effective communication in leadership, ensuring everyone's voice is heard and valued.

The Work Wire - Exploring Decision-Making in Leadership

Tue, 03 Dec 2024 19:00:00 -0000

Unlock the secrets to effective leadership decision-making with insights from Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President and CEO of SHRM. Discover how Johnny navigated the weighty consideration of a potential role as Secretary of Labor, sharing the emotional complexities and strategic thinking involved. This episode promises to equip you with a robust decision-making framework, focusing on clarifying values and identifying your "true North Star" to guide your professional and personal choices.

Explore the powerful four C's framework—Convictions, Clarity, Confidence, and Contagiousness—that forms the backbone of sound decision-making. Johnny emphasizes the journey from understanding one's core beliefs and skills to achieving clarity, which fosters authentic confidence. This confidence naturally spreads, inspiring not only yourself but those around you. Through captivating anecdotes, including a story about Jeff Bezos, we examine the role of intuition and the importance of defining your impact and legacy, especially in roles driven by service rather than financial gain.

Navigate the often intricate process of leadership decision-making, where balancing personal values with professional duties becomes a delicate act. Johnny shares the significance of trusting one's intuition, consulting trusted advisors, and committing fully to chosen paths. We stress the necessity of avoiding poor decisions amidst multiple good solutions and the importance of considering the broader impact on family and colleagues. Join us as we provide a practical approach to these challenges, drawing from real-world experiences to guide you through the maze of leadership and decision-making.

The Work Wire - Personal Choices in a Corporate Culture

Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:00:00 -0000

Can your off-duty escapades lead to a pink slip? Join us in a captivating discussion featuring Johnny C. Taylor Jr., CEO and President of SHRM, as we dissect the case of Joe Gall, a tenured professor dismissed for producing pornographic content. Together, we explore the complexities of First Amendment rights for public sector employees and the potential professional fallout from personal activities. Using a viral incident in Central Park as a cautionary tale, we shine a light on the precarious line between personal freedom and the potential reputational harm to employers.

We unravel the challenging terrain HR navigates when off-duty conduct clashes with company values. From tattoos to language, societal shifts continue to reshape workplace norms, creating gray areas that demand careful consideration. How do organizations maintain their image while fostering diversity and inclusivity? This episode confronts the tensions inherent in these challenges, offering insights into the evolving expectations of workplace culture and the delicate balance companies must strike.

As we shift focus to cultural norms and leadership, we reflect on how unexpected issues within diverse teams can redefine company culture. A controversial interview attire incident ignites a conversation on the need for clear cultural values while embracing diverse perspectives. By examining organizations like Chick-fil-A, known for their defined principles, we explore the benefits of openness in fostering growth and innovation. This episode is a thought-provoking exploration of the continuous evolution of workplace dynamics and the pivotal role of diversity in shaping future leaders.

The Work Wire - Post Election Reactions from the Office

Tue, 19 Nov 2024 14:00:00 -0000

Unlock the secrets to fostering civility and respect in the workplace amidst post-election tensions with insights from Johnny C. Taylor Jr., the President and CEO of SHRM, and your host, Bob Goodwin. We tackle the thorny issue of post-election workplace dynamics, sharing strategies to cultivate a culture that values diverse perspectives—even when political views clash. Learn how HR professionals can lead the charge, ensuring productive and respectful conversations while advocating for policies that transcend political divides.

In this episode, we also explore the future of workplace policy amid an AI-driven economy. From innovative strategies for skills development and workplace immigration to managing healthcare costs, we uncover the crucial role of HR in guiding companies through these challenges. Hear our thoughts on balancing leadership instincts with strategic oversight, and join us in a hopeful discussion about job growth and workforce development. Together, we envision a thriving workforce ready to embrace future opportunities, where trades are respected alongside college degrees, and every employee feels seen and heard.

The Work Wire - Matthew Perry

Thu, 31 Oct 2024 16:00:00 -0000

The tragic death of actor Matthew Perry sparks a compelling exploration of power dynamics in celebrity circles, with a spotlight on ego, charisma, and wealth. In this thought-provoking episode of WorkWire, I sit down with Johnny C. Taylor Jr., president and CEO of SHRM, to dissect these intricate relationships and their consequences. Through Perry's unfortunate overdose and the involvement of his assistant, Kenneth Iwamasa, we reveal the often unseen struggles of those who navigate the professional realm alongside powerful figures. Discover the critical importance of psychological safety and mental health in environments where fame and influence reign supreme.

Our conversation takes a turn toward the ethical responsibilities that come with power, challenging leaders to consider their moral obligations when harmful behaviors are enabled. Johnny and I discuss the courage it takes to confront inappropriate actions and the essential role leaders play in setting and maintaining ethical standards. Whether in celebrity contexts or traditional workplaces, this episode underscores the weight of accountability and the profound impact leaders have on organizational culture.

We wrap up by examining the complexities of maintaining integrity in the face of ethical dilemmas. The episode delves into scenarios that test personal values and the necessity of empathy and constructive feedback in addressing unethical behavior. We advocate for accountability partners as a means of fostering personal growth and ethical conduct, emphasizing the significance of an empathetic approach to creating healthier work environments. Join us in this deep dive into the heart of power dynamics, accountability, and the pursuit of ethical leadership.

The Work Wire - TDB

Thu, 31 Oct 2024 16:00:00 -0000

Are you ready to rethink how pay structures can transform the workplace? Join us for a captivating conversation with Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President and CEO of SHRM, as we unpack the compelling world of incentive-based pay. This episode opens up a window into the rising trend of pay-for-performance models, not just in sales but spreading to various other sectors. We'll take you behind the curtain of compensation structures, weighing the perks against the pitfalls, and explore how this model changes the landscape for roles from sales professionals to CEOs. We'll also touch on the findings of the Alexander Group, which reveal the growing prevalence of incentives across roles, and examine whether these changes truly motivate improved performance or are simply a cost-cutting tactic.

As we navigate through the intricacies of setting and adjusting incentive goals, you'll gain a new perspective on the ethical considerations and challenges that companies face in this domain. With insights into the importance of transparency and realistic target setting, we shed light on how unforeseen events, such as the pandemic, have forced companies to adapt their goals. We'll also address the critical role of HR in ensuring fairness and tackling unconscious bias, as well as the increasing transparency among employees about compensation. This comprehensive exploration promises to enhance your understanding of incentive-based pay and its implications for a fair and motivating workplace.

Burnout - The Work Wire

Wed, 02 Oct 2024 13:00:00 -0000

Unlock the secrets to combating burnout in the workplace with insights from Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President and CEO of SHRM. Burnout is more than just an individual issue; it's a complex problem influenced by political unrest, economic uncertainty, and personal challenges. In this compelling discussion, discover why addressing burnout is a shared responsibility between employers and employees and learn about the full spectrum of factors that contribute to employee well-being. Taylor sheds light on how burnout affects productivity and healthcare costs, making it clear that recognizing these issues is crucial for a healthier workplace.

Explore the intricate balance between personal and professional lives, especially through the lens of a Southern Christian, African-American background. Trust between employees and managers is key, yet many leaders struggle to identify personal struggles affecting work performance. This episode examines the philosophical differences between leaders and managers, emphasizing the importance of empathy, intentionality, and observance. Understand why building strong, supportive relationships in the workplace can help employees feel safe to share their struggles, ultimately fostering a healthier work environment.

Journey with us through the evolution of workplace culture from 2004 to 2024, where vulnerability and openness have become more accepted. Learn how fostering empathy, demonstrating genuine care, and modeling healthy behaviors like taking time off can prevent burnout. Johnny highlights the significance of aligning personal values with work, continuous learning, and viewing employees holistically. By promoting empathy, civility, and mental wellness, HR can play a pivotal role in creating a supportive and fulfilling work environment. Join us for an engaging conversation that will leave you rethinking how to navigate meaning, wellness, and gratitude in your professional life.

Overwork Consequences - The Work Wire

Wed, 25 Sep 2024 13:00:00 -0000

When 100-hour work weeks become the norm, who pays the ultimate price? Join us on this gripping episode of the Work Wire as Johnny C. Taylor Jr., CEO of SHRM, and I uncover the startling realities of extreme work hours faced by junior bankers at Bank of America. We pull back the curtain on the life-threatening consequences of relentless overwork, sharing harrowing anecdotes from a Wall Street Journal article that spotlight the dire need for recovery periods. By drawing parallels to high-level athletes who require rest to perform at their best, we underscore the unsustainable and damaging nature of prolonged overwork, not just to employees, but to the entire business.

Ethical and legal implications come into sharp focus as we address the pressure on employees to falsify time records and the responsibilities that people managers have in safeguarding well-being. We delve into the necessity of adhering to the Fair Labor Standards Act and how organizations can often reflect broader cultural issues. From courageous conversations with top performers to the potential benefit of increased staffing, we explore practical solutions for maintaining a healthy work culture. Finally, we emphasize the vital role of personal agency and the critical need for HR and upper management to foster environments where employees can thrive, even in the most demanding roles.

CEO Departures - The Work Wire

Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:00:00 -0000

What happens when a beloved CEO like Howard Schultz steps down, and how does that impact the corporate culture at a giant like Starbucks? We explore this and more with Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President and CEO of SHRM, as we dissect the leadership hurdles and cultural shifts following the latest CEO departure at Starbucks. Learn from the contrasting story of Brian Nickel's remarkable turnaround at Chipotle, emphasizing the necessity of clear company culture and how a CEO's influence can redefine stock performance and innovation. Dive into the intricacies of succession planning and the broader challenges companies face in retaining top talent in a rapidly changing corporate environment.

Moreover, this episode takes you through the nuanced process of CEO transitions and the vital importance of allowing new leaders to navigate without the shadows of their predecessors. We discuss why top CEO compensations can be justified, especially when leadership translates to substantial financial growth, benefitting employees and stakeholders alike. Drawing lessons from Chick-fil-A's clear articulation of its faith-based principles, we underscore the importance of aligning cultural values with the organization's identity. Tune in for our insightful conversation on establishing a robust organizational culture that aligns with both top-down directives and grassroots feedback for seamless business transformation.

Psychedelics - The Work Wire

Fri, 28 Jun 2024 12:00:00 -0000

Can psychedelics boost business performance? Join Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President and CEO of SHRM, and Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club, as we delve into tech executives using ketamine and psilocybin for enhanced focus, creativity, and empathy. We discuss the risks and ethical concerns of self-prescribing these drugs, the balance between short-term benefits and long-term impacts, and draw parallels to performance-enhancing drugs in sports. We also explore if historical geniuses like Leonardo da Vinci used psychedelics and reflect on modern mental health issues, stressing the need for genuine resilience and mental wellness in today's world.

Non-Competes - The Work Wire

Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:00:00 -0000

What if non-compete agreements are holding back your career? Join us for an insightful episode of The Work Wire as we welcome Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club, and Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President and CEO of SHRM, to dissect the controversial world of non-compete clauses. With recent FTC developments shaking up the landscape, you'll gain a deeper understanding of the potential economic benefits and legal challenges ahead. Discover how these changes could impact wages, entrepreneurial activity, and both companies and employees. This episode is essential for anyone affected by or interested in the evolving landscape of non-competes.

Right to Disconnect - The Work Wire

Fri, 14 Jun 2024 12:00:00 -0000

Join Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President and CEO of SHRM, and Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club, on The Work Wire as they discuss California's proposed "right to disconnect" law. This episode challenges traditional views on work-life balance, offering insights into the benefits of allowing employees to truly recharge. Dive into the nuances of work-life integration versus balance, and explore the impact of state regulations on productivity and employee well-being. The conversation examines the work culture at companies like Samsung and the effects of strict disengagement policies on career growth. Emphasizing the importance of flexibility and clear communication, this episode highlights the need for a transparent and adaptable work culture in the modern workplace.

Background Checks - The Work Wire

Fri, 07 Jun 2024 12:00:00 -0000

Can background checks truly make or break the safety and integrity of your workplace? Join us for an insightful conversation as Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club and Johnny C Taylor Jr, President and CEO of SHRM, shares his eye-opening personal experiences that highlight the critical importance of thorough background checks. We discuss how these essential measures can coexist harmoniously with DEI initiatives, creating a balanced and secure environment where both safety and diversity thrive.

In this engaging episode, we navigate the fine line between offering second chances and maintaining workplace safety. Discover the nuanced art of individualized assessments over blanket decisions, especially when hiring candidates with criminal backgrounds. We delve into the significance of verifying educational credentials and the far-reaching implications of dishonesty, emphasizing the importance of empathy, understanding, and due diligence in informed hiring practices.

We also tackle the often-overlooked consequences of background checks on existing employees and the ethics of periodic evaluations. What happens when a top performer is caught in a lie about their qualifications? How do social media behaviors impact professional reputations? And, when is it appropriate to rely on informal background checks for deeper insights? Join us as we explore these compelling questions, stressing the vital role of trust, values, and comprehensive due diligence in hiring decisions.

End of Resumes - The Work Wire

Fri, 24 May 2024 12:00:00 -0000

Are traditional resumes becoming relics of the past? Tune in as I, Bob Goodwin, alongside the insightful Johnny C. Taylor Jr., President and CEO of SHRM, unravel the complex tapestry of talent acquisition. We dive into the debate over whether industry experience and academic pedigree should remain the linchpins of the hiring process, potentially sidelining untapped talent. Together, we navigate the promises and pitfalls of skills-based hiring, dissecting how AI is revolutionizing the way HR navigates the sea of candidates while maintaining a steadfast grip on risk management.

As a former labor and employment lawyer, I bring a nuanced lens to the legal tightrope of modern hiring practices, as Johnny and I dissect the equity at stake when rewriting the rules of recruitment. We share a vision of a workplace where a candidate's unique journey can be the key to fresh industry perspectives, advocating for a hiring culture that prizes learning agility and emotional intelligence over traditional checkboxes. This episode is a clarion call for a seismic shift in how we define qualifications, urging an inclusive approach to talent evaluation that doesn't compromise excellence. Join us as we champion the transformative potential of inclusive hiring and the power it holds to reshape industries.

Is Remote Dead? - The Work Wire

Fri, 17 May 2024 12:00:00 -0000

Join SHRM President & CEO Johnny C. Taylor Jr. and President of Career Club Bob Goodwin as we explore the future of work in a post-pandemic world. This episode delves into the complexities of hybrid work environments, balancing remote flexibility with the need for in-person collaboration. We discuss how hybrid models impact diverse employee demographics, especially underrepresented minorities, and the role of empathy in the workplace. Addressing proximity bias and its career implications, we advocate for equitable work conditions. We also examine the tech industry's response to remote trends, highlighting the importance of mutual respect and open dialogue in shaping work culture.

Followership - The Work Wire

Wed, 15 May 2024 13:00:00 -0000

Discover why being a follower might just be as crucial as being a leader with Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club and Johnny C. Taylor Jr., SHRM's President and CEO. This episode takes a surprising turn as we scrutinize the societal obsession with leadership and the overlooked art of followership.

Prepare to have your notions of success and influence turned on their head as we uncover what it means to be an exemplary follower in a world transfixed by leaders.

Loyalty - The Work Wire

Fri, 03 May 2024 12:00:00 -0000

In the latest episode of Work Wire, Bob Goodwin of Career Club and Johnny Taylor Jr. from SHRM go deep into the evolving landscape of workplace loyalty, sparked by a recent Business Insider article by Aki Ito on its perceived decline. The discussion explores the historical shift from a "company man" mentality to today's more transactional employee-employer relationships influenced by globalization and technological advancements. Johnny emphasizes the dual role of employers and employees in the erosion of trust.

The conversation also addresses the impacts of technology on the labor market, noting that it not only broadens opportunities for employees but also for employers to seek cheaper labor globally.

Bob and Johnny discuss the changing nature of employment contracts, influenced by shifts towards knowledge-based work and the fading relevance of traditional job security measures like pensions.

Highlighting the complexity of modern employment dynamics, they argue that loyalty must be mutual and conditional, challenging the traditional notion of unwavering company loyalty. This episode promises deep insights into the strategic and human elements shaping today's workplaces, urging HR professionals and employees to reconsider the meaning of loyalty in a rapidly changing work environment.

Civil Conversations - The Work Wire

Fri, 26 Apr 2024 12:00:00 -0000

Join us for a thought-provoking episode of The Work Wire, featuring Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club, and Johnny C. Taylor, Jr., President and CEO of SHRM. Dive into a compelling conversation about fostering civility in the workplace amidst increasing social and political tensions. Bob and Johnny explore the challenges of workplace toxicity, highlighting the shift from traditional issues like discrimination to modern concerns such as political discord.

Discover SHRM’s ambitious initiative to promote one million civil conversations, aiming to transform workplace culture and, by extension, broader societal interactions. Learn about practical strategies to encourage respectful discourse and understand the powerful role HR professionals can play in shaping a more civil, understanding workplace environment. Tune in to gain valuable insights into turning conflict into constructive dialogue and why promoting diversity goes beyond surface-level differences.

Google Sit-ins - The Work Wire

Tue, 23 Apr 2024 12:00:00 -0000

Join Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club, and Johnny Taylor, CEO of SHRM, in a compelling podcast where they explore strategies for fostering civil and respectful communication in the workplace. They'll dive into effective methods that both employers and employees can use to ensure that all voices are heard and respected. Tune in for expert insights on enhancing dialogue and building a more collaborative work environment.

Candidate Experience - The Work Wire

Fri, 19 Apr 2024 12:00:00 -0000

Join us for a compelling episode of Work Wire as we explore the nuances of the recruitment process with a focus on enhancing the candidate experience. This discussion covers the challenges and strategies involved in treating candidates as valued customers and the impacts these practices have on employer branding.

The conversation begins with an examination of prevalent issues in recruitment, such as ghosting and the often lengthy and inefficient interview cycles. Insights are shared on regional variations in candidate experiences, highlighted by data from the Talent Board, which notes a significant rise in candidate resentment scores in North America.

Further discussion delves into the realities of rejection within recruitment, the complexities of providing feedback, and the importance of managing legal and ethical considerations. The benefits of extensive interview processes are also debated, emphasizing their role in ensuring a thorough mutual assessment essential for determining cultural fit and job satisfaction.

Throughout the episode, emphasis is placed on the necessity of empathy, respect, and strategic communication in transforming recruitment practices. Practical advice is offered on how companies can maintain positive relations with all candidates, thereby enhancing their reputation and strengthening their employer brand.

Tune in to this insightful episode to understand how to make recruitment a more empathetic and effective process that respects candidates and enriches your company's brand. This conversation is a must-listen for HR professionals and job seekers alike, providing valuable insights to navigate the complexities of modern recruitment.

Timeless Lessons in Leadership - The Work Wire

Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:00:00 -0000

In this enlightening episode of The Work Wire, hosts Johnny Taylor Jr. and Bob Goodwin welcome Indian business titan Shiv Shivakumar to explore the evolution and future of leadership. Shiv, with his extensive experience from PepsiCo India to Advent International, offers a deep dive into the transformative traits required for today's leaders.

The discussion unfolds across four segments, starting with how leadership has morphed in our digital age, to practical strategies for thriving in a VUCA world, promoting a culture of accountability and growth, and finally, the impacts of technology on the workplace. Tune in for a timeless masterclass in leadership from a seasoned expert.

Affinity Classes - The Work Wire

Tue, 23 Jan 2024 17:00:00 -0000

Join us as we discuss a controversial initiative at Evanston Township High School in Illinois to introduce voluntary "affinity classes" for black and Latino students in some subjects. These classes would be taught by teachers of color and only include black and Latino students, with the goal of addressing achievement gaps. However, Bob Goodwin and Johnny Taylor Jr. had significant concerns about this approach, seeing it as a form of segregation that could disadvantage students long-term and fail to prepare them for integrated environments in college and the workforce. We discussed potential unintended consequences and the need to carefully evaluate outcomes over multiple timeframes to determine if this approach is truly effective or causes more harm than good.

When Leadership Goes AWOL - The Work Wire - Episode 22

Tue, 16 Jan 2024 17:00:00 -0000

Listen to an important discussion on the Work Wire with Bob Goodwin and Johnny Taylor Jr! They dive into the recent situation around Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin's hospitalization and lack of communication from the Pentagon. Bob and Johnny explore the implications for leadership, policies, values like trust and candor, and organizational culture. This conversation provides valuable lessons for any workplace on ensuring transparency, accountability and care for employees. Tune in to hear their insightful analysis!

Balancing Employees Views and Workplace Productivity - The Work Wire - Episode 21

Wed, 10 Jan 2024 18:00:00 -0000

This episode of the work wire tackles an important topic around the role of corporate platforms in political discourse and how companies can best support diverse employee perspectives while maintaining a productive work culture. Johnny Taylor and Bob Goodwin discuss Microsoft's experience and provide thoughtful insights for how HR can help companies navigate these complex issues. If you're interested in learning how to balance internal communication, employee expression and corporate responsibility, I encourage you to listen to this episode!

Pharmageddon - Episode 20

Tue, 05 Dec 2023 17:00:00 -0000

This episode of The Work Wire discusses the growing issues in healthcare staffing known as "Farmageddon." Hosts Bob Goodwin and Johnny C. Taylor Jr. talk about recent pharmacist and nurse strikes and walkouts due to burnout, understaffing, and low pay. They explore how the pandemic exacerbated existing problems and discuss potential solutions like changing work models, utilizing pharmacy technicians more, and regulated immigration. The conversation also touches on rising healthcare costs, political obstacles, wage inflation, and the risks of an inadequate healthcare workforce. Tune in for an insightful discussion on addressing the critical challenges facing those on the frontlines of healthcare.

The Four Day Work Week - Episode 19

Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:00:00 -0000

Tune in to the next episode of The Work Wire with Bob Goodwin and Johnny Taylor Jr. as they continue their discussion on the four day workweek and the implications for employees, employers and the economy. Don't miss their insightful analysis and thought-provoking perspectives on this important workplace issue.

Emotional Intelligence in Leadership - Episode 18

Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:00:00 -0000

In this episode of the Work Wire, Bob Goodwin is joined by Johnny C. Taylor Jr. to discuss the importance of emotional intelligence for leaders. They cover topics like self-awareness, self-regulation, assuming good intent, and empowering employees to feel a sense of agency and control. Johnny shares his 5 points of emotional intelligence and how they relate to building motivation. This conversation provides valuable insights for any leader looking to improve themselves and their organization.

Is Free Speech Really Free? - Episode 17

Tue, 14 Nov 2023 17:00:00 -0000

Is free speech truly free? This episode tackles the complex issue of expressing political views in the workplace and on college campuses. Johnny Taylor and Bob Goodwin discuss recent controversies, legal considerations, and best practices for diversity and inclusion. You'll gain new insights into navigating difficult conversations while maintaining an open and respectful environment. Tune in to get their perspective on finding common ground during polarized times.

The Silent Epidemic - Episode 16

Tue, 07 Nov 2023 17:00:00 -0000

In this episode of "The Work Wire," hosts Bob Goodwin and Johnny Taylor Jr. tackle workplace mental health and suicide prevention. They discuss the rising concern of workplace suicides in the US and emphasize the need for vigilance, especially during Suicide Awareness and Prevention Month. The hosts highlight the impact of the pandemic on mental health, with increased loneliness and a lack of empathy in America.

They address the stigma surrounding mental health in the workplace, emphasizing the fear of discrimination and negative consequences for employees who disclose mental health conditions. The hosts call for a more empathetic approach to mental wellness and accessible resources.

Bob and Johnny stress the importance of addressing mental health in the workplace proactively and the need for empathetic leadership. They discuss the emotional toll of job loss and offer personal stories of vulnerability, underlining the significance of empathy and support.

The episode concludes with a focus on empathy and humanity as key factors in addressing workplace diversity and inclusion issues.

CEOs Makes 272x More than Workers... Is That Fair?

Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:00:00 -0000

Johnny Taylor Jr., President and CEO of SHRM, joins Bob Goodwin, President of Career Club, to discuss the controversial topic of executive compensation. They dive into the details behind recent reports that CEO pay is now 272 times the average worker. Johnny provides important context around how CEO compensation is structured and reported. While acknowledging the need for living wages for all employees, Johnny also argues that CEO pay should be evaluated in the broader context of comparable industries and the value these leaders provide to their companies. An insightful debate on the complex issues surrounding this emotional issue.

How is Social Media Affecting Gen Z in the Workplace?

Mon, 23 Oct 2023 16:00:00 -0000

On this episode of The Work Wire, we examine the complex implications of immigration policies, spotlighting the Biden administration's decision to grant work visas to 80,000 Venezuelan immigrants amid the turmoil in their home country. This move has raised questions about prioritization, particularly in comparison to Haitians who are being repatriated, leading to tensions and debates about immigration needs and consequences. We also explore the challenges associated with work visas in the US, acknowledging their potential for exploitation while highlighting the pressing demand for labor with millions of job openings.

We then delve into the unique characteristics of Generation Z and how their experiences, shaped by the pandemic and digitalization, are reshaping the workforce. The episode also addresses the impact of social media on polarization and stress among Gen Z, as well as their mental health and financial pressures in the workplace. Lastly, we emphasize the importance of empathy and active listening for effectively managing Generation Z in the workplace while recognizing the existing gap in understanding their values and behaviors among senior executives. Stay informed and join the conversation! #WorkWire #Immigration #GenZ #Empathy #WorkplaceTrends

Is 90 The New 65?

Tue, 17 Oct 2023 16:00:00 -0000

In this episode of The Work Wire, Bob Goodwin and Johnny Taylor Jr. discuss whether there is ever an age where age starts to become a legitimate factor in one's job or career. They explore recent examples like Senator Dianne Feinstein stepping down at age 90 and a 96-year-old federal judge being suspended due to concerns about her mental competence.

Johnny argues against making assumptions based purely on age, citing examples of high-performing older individuals like Warren Buffett. However, he acknowledges that certain roles requiring strong mental acuity, like judges, could benefit from cognitive evaluations to ensure safety and competence. Bob and Johnny debate the idea of implementing standardized cognitive tests for roles like the President. They agree tests should start earlier to avoid ageism but ensure those in positions of power can still perform mentally and physically demanding jobs. This insightful conversation tackles the complex issue of aging, ability, and when it's appropriate to reconsider someone's role.

The Value of Challenging Employees

Mon, 09 Oct 2023 20:00:00 -0000

Inappropriate Workplace Behavior - The Work Wire

Tue, 03 Oct 2023 16:00:00 -0000

This episode of WorkWire discussed inappropriate behavior in the workplace. Johnny and Bob talked about three recent examples - the CEO of BP resigning after admitting to inappropriate relationships with colleagues, a Michigan State football coach being suspended during a sexual harassment investigation, and the president of the Spanish soccer federation being suspended for kissing a player without consent.

They discussed how standards have changed from whether something is legally harassment to whether it shows good judgment. They also talked about the responsibilities of boards, HR, and individuals to address inappropriate behavior, ensure a safe workplace, and model ethical conduct.

Reskilling: The Wire Wire - Episode 10

Tue, 26 Sep 2023 19:00:00 -0000

In this episode of "The Work Wire" podcast, Johnny Taylor Jr. and Bob Goodwin delve into the critical topic of reskilling in the modern workforce. Reskilling, defined as learning new skills to adapt to evolving job markets and technologies, takes center stage. The duo underscores the shared responsibility of both employers and employees in fostering reskilling initiatives. They emphasize its paramount importance in the face of rapid technological advancements and the global skills gap.

Furthermore, the podcast touches on global workforce challenges, including the impact of aging populations and the need for reskilling on a global scale. Immigration plays a role in addressing talent shortages in developed countries, and underserved job areas like trades and hospitality are highlighted for potential rescaling. The evolving role of HR professionals in this changing landscape is also explored, emphasizing the necessity for developing hard and soft skills to succeed in the modern workplace. The transcript delves into the challenges of workforce efficiency, the shift towards remote work, and the need for HR to rethink culture and engagement strategies.

Is Higher Education Important? - Work Wire Episode 9

Tue, 19 Sep 2023 15:00:00 -0000

Ever questioned the real worth of a college degree? Well, this episode will lead you on a journey to explore that very question. Together with Johnny C. Taylor Jr., the President and CEO of SHRM, we venture into the intricate maze of higher education. We examine the changing perceptions around the value of a conventional college degree and its influence on securing a white-collar job. As we navigate through this, we unravel how education transcends beyond technical skills, influencing critical thinking and socialization abilities.

Unions

Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:00:00 -0000

Join me for a captivating discussion with Johnny C Taylor Jr, the CEO and President of SHRM, as we pull back the curtain on the current climate of collective bargaining and labor unions. Why are labor unions gaining such momentum? Is it the promises from the Biden administration or the struggle for workers to secure fair wages? We explore these questions and more, diving into the changing expectations around wages and the impact this movement has on job security and economic stability.

We then move into the complex realm of CEO compensation, dispelling misconceptions and breaking down the elements of CEO pay packages. The public often singles out CEOs for outrage over salary discrepancies, but we challenge this perspective, comparing CEO compensation to other high-earning professions and highlighting overlooked forms of compensation such as stock pools and 401K matches.

As we tackle the crucial subject of communication within organizations, we offer strategies for HR and people managers to navigate the shifting sands of the post-COVID workplace. We address the role of unions in effective communication, the importance of understanding company economics and salaries, and how to manage tensions in a changing environment. And finally, we emphasize the importance of engagement from you, our listeners. Remember, your subscriptions and reviews fuel the growth and success of our show. So don't hesitate to like, subscribe, and leave a review to help us continue spreading our message. Join us for this enlightening discussion and let's dissect these pressing issues together.

Remote Work

Tue, 29 Aug 2023 16:00:00 -0000

Do you ever wonder how your boss really monitors your productivity when you're working remotely? What if you discovered that your every move is being tracked? Prepare to be enlightened as we, along with Johnny C. Taylor, CEO of SHRM, dissect a riveting case from Australia where technology assisted remote supervision led to an employee's termination. Navigate with us the murky waters of remote surveillance, its implications and the necessity of blatant transparency.

The dialogue doesn't stop there. Ever thought about the delicate dance between employee productivity and burnout? We probe the age-old question - should compensation be time or output-based? Get ready to challenge your perceptions as we explore autonomy, responsibility, and work culture whilst steering clear of the pitfalls of micromanagement and absolute outsourcing. We also shed light on the transformative role of data in shaping an organization's culture and the unexpected benefits of traditional office work for some. Join us for an episode brimming with insights and candid conversations.

The Aging Workforce

Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:00:00 -0000

Are you ready to revolutionize the way you view the workforce? We are! Join us, Bob Goodwin, president of Career Club, and Johnny C Taylor Jr, CEO and president of SHRM as we debunk common misconceptions about older Americans in the workforce. Get ready to unearth the immense potential and hidden talent that resides with our senior workers and how this demographic shift is changing the face of the American workforce.

We're not just talking, we're leading you through the practical challenges and solutions of managing a multi-generational workforce. Brace yourself as we deep-dive into the mentorship dynamics across generations and the significant role of DEI training in fostering an inclusive workspace. We'll also tackle the elephant in the room - technology. Learn how to create an environment that not only leverages the tech skills of the younger generation but also bridges the digital divide for our older workers.

As we gaze into the future of business, we unravel the growing diversity in the workforce and its implications. Discover the importance of creating a supportive and equitable workplace from both a moral and legal perspective. We'll also demonstrate how understanding and accommodating the needs of different generations will prove beneficial in the long run. So, why wait? Tune in and let's together appreciate the changing landscape of the workforce in America! Don't forget to rate and review our podcast. Until next time, keep learning, keep evolving!

The Post-Pandemic Workforce: Work Wire Episode 5

Tue, 15 Aug 2023 16:00:00 -0000

Imagine navigating a workforce utterly transformed by the pandemic, filled with individuals fresh from the confines of virtual classrooms and isolation. That's the reality employers are grappling with. Johnny Taylor lends us his expert insights on the matter. We dissect the drastic changes in the job market, the reduced number of graduates, and the notable absence of traditional socialization skills in younger employees. It's a deep dive into the myriad challenges employers face while adjusting to this new talent pool.

We also pull back the curtain on the mental health issues, conflict management challenges, and collaboration difficulties that have become more prominent due to the lack of socialization and coping skills usually honed during traditional schooling. The 'bachelor mentality' and a seeming lack of initiative pose further challenges, raising the question: how do we teach employees to function in traditional work settings in this new reality? An equally pressing concern is the echo chambers created by technology and algorithms, affecting how people perceive the world.

What's the solution, then? Listen as we stress the importance of employers investing in life and work skills training, particularly for those entering the workforce. We discuss why teaching employees how to operate in a diverse work environment and providing a robust learning and development curriculum are key. Our conversation also touches on the necessity of training and skills development for older adults entering the workforce. As we delve into these issues, we aim to provide a roadmap for employers and HR professionals navigating the uncharted waters of the post-pandemic workplace.

Lazy Girl Jobs - Work Wire with Johnny Taylor Jr.

Tue, 08 Aug 2023 16:00:00 -0000

Are you prepared for a deep dive into the 'Lazy Girl Jobs' phenomenon taking over Gen Z? We're your hosts Bob and Johnny, challenging you to join us as we unravel the stereotypes reinforced by this curious trend. Are we witnessing an alarming paradigm shift, or is it merely a misunderstood quest for work-life balance?

Together with SHIRM CEO Johnny C Taylor Jr., we explore the intrinsic value of hard work and resilience. We probe the essence of success, hint: it goes beyond your bank balance and professional title. We also reflect on the life lessons derived from earning your money and muddling through the consequences of your decisions. All while keeping in mind the prevailing 'Lazy Girl Jobs' trend and its potential long-term impacts.

Finally, we turn our attention to the future workforce. How can we better equip them for the challenges ahead? The answer lies in leadership, candid conversations, and the power of our words. We discuss the role leaders play in shaping young minds and the necessity of those hard-hitting chats about the long-term implications of job decisions. It's not just another episode; it's an enlightening and thought-provoking discussion that promises to change how you perceive 'Lazy Girl Jobs' and the future of work.

The Checkered Journey of Diversity Initiatives

Tue, 01 Aug 2023 16:00:00 -0000

Delighted to welcome Johnny C. Taylor, Jr., CEO and President of SHRM, we grapple with the rollercoaster trajectory of Chief Diversity Officers (CDOs) in the aftermath of George Floyd's tragic death. The rapid hiring (and subsequent decline) of CDOs raises questions about the authenticity and thoughtfulness of these cultural transformation attempts within organizations. Are these short-lived initiatives leading to disappointments and anger?

Navigating the complexities of diversity initiatives, we explore the integration into HR strategies and the pivotal role of the right person in the CDO position. Highlighting the necessity of a comprehensive, strategic approach to diversity, we discuss how organizations can cultivate a truly inclusive environment without fostering division. As we reflect on past errors and the lessons learned, the conversation underscores the significant role of CDOs in fostering diversity and inclusion. Listen in for a thought-provoking exploration of the call for diversity and its implications for corporate America.

Landmark Supreme Court Cases

Tue, 01 Aug 2023 14:00:00 -0000

In the second episode of WorkWire, join Johnny Taylor Jr. from SHRM and Bob Goodwin from Career Club as they discuss recent Supreme Court decisions. They dive deep into the topics of affirmative action and the postal worker case, sharing their hot takes and reactions. Hear from industry experts as they analyze the implications of these rulings and provide valuable insights. Don't miss this engaging conversation packed with expert opinions. Tune in now and subscribe to stay updated on future episodes!

Empathy, Leadership, and Culture - WorkWire

Tue, 11 Jul 2023 16:00:00 -0000

In the first episode of WorkWire featuring Johnny C. Taylor Jr. of SHRM (Society for Human Resource Management) and Bob Goodwin of Career Club, the main topic of discussion is empathetic leadership. The conversation starts by clarifying what empathy is not, emphasizing the difference between empathy and sympathy. They highlight the importance of extreme listening, which involves paying attention not only to what people are saying but also to what they are not saying. Reflective listening, where you play back what someone has said, is also emphasized.

Check out the episode for more!