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The Nazi Era: Episode 12: Epilogue

Thu, 10 Apr 2025 08:00:00 -0000

In this final episode, we reflect on why there are so few testimonies from LGBTQ people who survived the Nazi era and on the responsibility we have to honor the testimonies we do have in the face of the unfolding dark times here at home.

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-Audio of the 1990 interview with Josef Kohout used by permission of QWIEN, the Center for Queer History in Vienna.

-The Josef Kohout book excerpt is from Heinz Heger’s The Men with the Pink Triangle, Haymarket Books, Chicago, 2023. Used by permission of the publisher. Original German edition Die Männer mit dem rosa Winkel © 1972/2014 MERLIN VERLAG Andreas Meyer Verlags GmbH. & Co. KG, Gifkendorf, Germany. English translation by David Fernbach © 2004 MERLIN VERLAG Andreas Meyer Verlags GmbH. & Co. KG, Gifkendorf, Germany.

-Audio of Dr. Walter Reich and Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum from the October 10, 1996, ceremony courtesy of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C.

-RG-50.030.0841, oral history interview with Gary H. Philipp, courtesy of the Jeff and Toby Herr Oral History Archive, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C. For more information about the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, go here.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 11: Fredy Hirsch

Thu, 03 Apr 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Charismatic German Jewish athlete Fredy Hirsch dedicated himself to inspiring and protecting children imprisoned by the Nazis. In this episode, survivors of Theresienstadt and Auschwitz whose lives were made tolerable, sometimes even joyful, thanks to his selfless efforts share their memories.

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-The following interview segments are from the archive of the USC Shoah Foundation – The Institute for Visual History and Education:

Dina Gottliebova-Babbitt, © 1998 USC Shoah Foundation
Michael Honey, © 1997 USC Shoah Foundation
Peter Mahrer, © 1998 USC Shoah Foundation
Helga Ederer, © 1997 USC Shoah Foundation
Yehudah Bakon, © 1996 USC Shoah Foundation
Melitta Stein, © 1996 USC Shoah Foundation
Eva Gross, © 1996 USC Shoah Foundation
Chava Ben-Amos, © 1997 USC Shoah Foundation

For more information about the USC Shoah Foundation, go here.

-The following interview segments are from the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Collection, Washington, D.C., courtesy of the Jeff and Toby Herr Foundation:

RG-50.030.0488, oral history interview with Ursula Pawel
RG-50.477.0497, oral history interview with John Steiner, gift of Jewish Family and Children's Services of San Francisco, the Peninsula, Marin and Sonoma Counties
RG-50.106.0061, oral history interview with Rene Edgar Tressler

For more information about the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, go here.

-The Rudolf Vrba audio was drawn from footage created by Claude Lanzmann during the filming of Shoah. Used by permission of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Martyrs and Heroes’ Remembrance Authority, Jerusalem.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 10: Kenneth Roman

Thu, 27 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Kenneth Roman was 15 when the Nazis rolled into his Polish hometown. After they liquidated the Jewish ghetto to which he and his family had been confined, he was sent to a series of forced labor camps and finally a concentration camp, where a sadistic block elder made him his “batman.”

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The interview with Kenneth Roman is from the archive of the USC Shoah Foundation – The Institute for Visual History and Education, © 1998 USC Shoah Foundation. For more information about the USC Shoah Foundation, go here.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 9: Margot Heuman

Thu, 20 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0000

German Jewish survivor Margot Heuman attributed her survival of the Nazi concentration camps to her friendship with another teenage girl. It wasn’t until the end of her life that she confided in lesbian historian Anna Hájková about the intimate nature of the friendship.

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The interview with Margot Heuman is from the archive of the USC Shoah Foundation – The Institute for Visual History and Education, © 1994 USC Shoah Foundation. For more information about the USC Shoah Foundation, go here.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 8: Lucy Salani

Thu, 13 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Lucy Salani was assigned male at birth, so when she came of age she was conscripted into the Italian army. She soon deserted—the first of several daring escapes that eventually landed her in Dachau. She’s one of the only trans people to testify about their experiences in Nazi concentration camps.

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Lucy Salani interview footage courtesy of Matteo Botrugno and Daniele Coluccini, directors of the 2021 documentary C'è un soffio di vita soltanto (A Breath of Life). The film was produced and released in Italy by Blue Mirror and Kimerafilm and distributed internationally by True Colours.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 7: Gad Beck

Thu, 06 Mar 2025 09:00:00 -0000

After the 1942 deportation of his boyfriend, 19-year-old Jewish Berliner Gad Beck vowed to help others escape the same fate. He became a prominent resistance member and used his resourcefulness, sexual barter, and chutzpah to save fellow Jews from the Nazi murder machine.

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RG-50.030.0361, oral history interview with Gad Beck, courtesy of the Jeff and Toby Herr Oral History Archive, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C. For more information about the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, go here.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 6: Frieda Belinfante

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:00:00 -0000

When the Nazis invaded the Netherlands in 1940, 36-year-old conductor Frieda Belinfante disbanded her orchestra and dedicated herself to helping others. She forged IDs to save Jews from deportation and joined a resistance group that carried out a daring act of sabotage.

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RG-50.030.0019, oral history interview with Frieda Belinfante, courtesy of the Jeff and Toby Herr Oral History Archive, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C. For more information about the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, go here.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 5: Pierre Seel

Thu, 20 Feb 2025 09:00:00 -0000

In 1939, French teenager Pierre Seel had his watch stolen at a cruising spot in his hometown. When he reported the crime to the police, he was placed on a list of suspected homosexuals. Two years later, with the city now under Nazi occupation, he was summoned by the Gestapo.

A note about language: the person featured in this episode refers to Roma people by the now offensive term gypsies. To stay true to the original French testimony, we’ve not updated that term in our voiceover translation.

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-The first interview with Pierre Seel, conducted in 1993 by Daniel Mermet, is provided courtesy of Là-bas si j'y suis.

-The second interview with Pierre Seel, conducted by Laurent Aknin, is from the archive of the USC Shoah Foundation – The Institute for Visual History and Education, © 1996 USC Shoah Foundation. For more information about the USC Shoah Foundation, go here.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 4: Stefan Kosinski

Thu, 13 Feb 2025 09:00:00 -0000

Polish teenager Stefan Kosinski was beaten, tortured, and sent to prison. His crime? He fell in love with a Viennese soldier serving in the German army. When the soldier was sent to the Eastern Front, Stefan sent him a love letter, which was intercepted by the Nazis.

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RG-50.030.0355, oral history interview with Teofil (Stefan) Kosinski, courtesy of the Jeff and Toby Herr Oral History Archive, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C. For more information about the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, go here.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 3: Overview Part II

Thu, 06 Feb 2025 09:00:00 -0000

In our second introductory episode, we focus on life in the Nazi concentration camps and offer a glimpse into the experiences of LGBTQ people in occupied countries during WWII as we continue to set the context for the eight profile episodes to follow.

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-The following interview segments are from the archive of the USC Shoah Foundation – The Institute for Visual History and Education:

Walter Schwarze, © 1997 USC Shoah Foundation
Kitty Fischer, © 1995 USC Shoah Foundation

For more information about the USC Shoah Foundation, go here.

-The Leo Classen excerpt is taken from “Die Dornenkrone: Ein Tatsachenbericht aus der Strafkompanie Sachsenhausen” (“The Crown of Thorns: A Factual Report from the Sachsenhausen Penal Company”), Humanitas: Monatsschrift für Menschlichkeit und Kultur 2, no. 2 (1954): 59-60.

-Audio of the 1990 interview with Josef Kohout used by permission of QWIEN, the Center for Queer History in Vienna.

-The Josef Kohout book excerpts are from Heinz Heger’s The Men with the Pink Triangle, Haymarket Books, Chicago, 2023. Used by permission of the publisher. Original German edition Die Männer mit dem rosa Winkel © 1972/2014 MERLIN VERLAG Andreas Meyer Verlags GmbH. & Co. KG, Gifkendorf, Germany. English translation by David Fernbach © 2004 MERLIN VERLAG Andreas Meyer Verlags GmbH. & Co. KG, Gifkendorf, Germany.

-The following interview segments are courtesy of the Jeff and Toby Herr Oral History Archive, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C.:

RG-50.578.0001, oral history interview with Gerald B. Rosenstein
RG-50.030.0270, oral history interview with Rose Szywic Warner
RG-50.030.0037, oral history interview with Tiemon Hofman

For more information about the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, go here.

-Arthur Haulot audio courtesy of the Fortunoff Video Archive for Holocaust Testimonies, Yale University Library.

-The Ruth Maier excerpts are from Ruth Maier’s Diary by Ruth Maier. Copyright © Gyldendal Norsk Forlag AS, 2007. English translation copyright © Jamie Bulloch, 2009. Used by permission of The Random House Group Limited.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 2: Overview Part I

Thu, 30 Jan 2025 09:00:00 -0000

In this first of two introductory episodes, hear how the walls closed in on LGBTQ people after Hitler came to power through the recorded and written memories of multiple queer people who witnessed or fell victim to the Nazis’ persecution.

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-The interview segment of Bertram Schaffner is from the archive of the USC Shoah Foundation – The Institute for Visual History and Education, © 1998 USC Shoah Foundation. For more information about the USC Shoah Foundation, go here.

-Michael Rittermann audio from the 1989 documentary Desire: Sexuality in Germany 1910-1945 (dir. Stuart Marshall) used by permission of Maya Vision International.

-RG-50.030.0445, oral history interview with Rolf Hirschberg, courtesy of the Jeff and Toby Herr Oral History Archive, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C. For more information about the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, go here.

-The unpublished Liddy Bacroff writings reside at the Staatsarchiv der Freien und Hansestadt Hamburg, 242-4 Nr. 339.

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The Nazi Era: Episode 1: Prologue

Mon, 27 Jan 2025 09:00:00 -0000

Host Eric Marcus welcomes listeners to MGH’s “Nazi Era” series by going back in time to 1980 and a darkened Broadway theater where his interest in LGBTQ Holocaust history was kindled. Join Eric as we embark on a 12-episode journey and honor Holocaust Remembrance Day.

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-1993 interview with Pierre Seel courtesy of Là-Bas Si J'y Suis.

-RG-50.030.0019, oral history interview with Frieda Belinfante, courtesy of the Jeff and Toby Herr Oral History Archive, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C. For more information about the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, go here.

-Lucy Salani footage courtesy of Matteo Botrugno and Daniele Coluccini, directors of C'è un soffio di vita soltanto (2021), produced by Blue Mirror and Kimerafilm, distributed by True Colours.

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Bonus: WWFKD — Drawing Strength from One of Our Movement’s Most Ferocious Crusaders

Fri, 08 Nov 2024 18:30:00 -0000

Frank Kameny lived by three rules: have absolute confidence in your beliefs; fight for what’s right; never, ever give up. Let them be a battle cry in these dark times.

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Guest Episode: But We Loved: Evan Wolfson, Godfather of the Marriage Equality Movement

Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:00:00 -0000

In 1983 Evan Wolfson wrote a law school thesis that asserted that gay people had a constitutional right to marry. Thirty-two years later, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed as much. In this guest episode from But We Loved, get to know the man behind one of the biggest victories in the history of the LGBTQ civil rights movement.

Learn more about Evan Wolfson and the Freedom to Marry campaign here.

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Stonewall 55: Episode 3: “Say It Loud! Gay & Proud!”

Fri, 28 Jun 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Like so many other acts of LGBTQ resistance, the 1969 Stonewall riots could have become a footnote in history. But the protests and organizing that followed launched a new phase in the fight for LGBTQ rights. Hear how anger found its voice and how joy propelled the first Pride marches.

First aired June 20, 2019. Visit our episode webpage for background information, archival photos, and other resources, as well as the episode’s transcript.

To hear more from Craig Rodwell, go here. And listen to Barbara Gittings and Kay Lahusen here as they discuss how homophile activists fared in the heady days of post-Stonewall organizing.

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Stonewall 55: Episode 2: “Everything Clicked… And the Riot Was On”

Fri, 21 Jun 2024 08:00:00 -0000

The Stonewall uprising began in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969. Revisit that moment, and the hours and days that followed, with voices from the Making Gay History archive. Relive in vivid detail the dawning of a new chapter in the fight for LGBTQ rights.

First aired June 13, 2019. Visit our episode webpage for background information, archival photos, and other resources, as well the episode’s transcript.

To hear more of Marsha P. Johnson and Randy Wicker’s conversation about Stonewall, go here. And listen to Morty Manford’s account of the riots here.

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Stonewall 55: Episode 1: Prelude to a Riot

Fri, 14 Jun 2024 08:15:00 -0000

Conflict has context. In this first episode of Making Gay History’s Stonewall season, we hear stories from the pre-Stonewall struggle for LGBTQ rights. We travel back in time to the turbulent 1960s and take you to the tinderbox that was Greenwich Village on the eve of an uprising.

First aired June 6, 2019. Visit our episode webpage for background information, archival photos, and other resources, as well as the episode’s transcript.

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Stonewall 55: Episode 0: Myth & Meaning

Fri, 14 Jun 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Can historical and emotional truth coexist? For the 55th anniversary of the uprising, Eric and fellow LGBTQ history expert Ken Lustbader talk to Stonewall National Monument visitors and let a few myths slip by to uncover Stonewall’s moving resonance as a symbol of LGBTQ liberation and joy.

This episode is a co-production of Making Gay History and the NYC LGBT Historic Sites Project, in partnership with the National Park Service.

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Bonus: Feminist Bookstores: A Love Story — with June Thomas

Thu, 23 May 2024 08:00:00 -0000

As a bookish lesbian growing up in working-class England, June Thomas developed an early love of bookstores. After moving to the U.S. in the 1980s, she found community in the feminist bookstores of the era, as she recounts in A Place of Our Own: Six Spaces That Shaped Queer Women's Culture.

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Guest Episode: Blindspot: The Plague in the Shadows: Mourning in America

Thu, 15 Feb 2024 09:00:00 -0000

Valerie Reyes-Jimenez called it “The Monster.” That’s how some people described HIV and AIDS in the 1980s. Valerie thinks as many as 75 people from her block on New York City’s Lower East Side died. They were succumbing to an illness that was not recognized as the same virus that was killing young, white, gay men just across town in the West Village.

At the same time, in Washington, D.C., Gil Gerald, a Black LGBTQ+ activist, saw his own friends and colleagues begin to disappear, dying out of sight and largely ignored by the wider world.

In this guest episode from WNYC Studios’ new Blindspot series, hear how HIV and AIDS was misunderstood from the start—and how this would shape the reactions of governments, the medical establishment, and numerous communities for years to come.

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Dismantling a Diagnosis: Episode 3: Out of the DSM & into the Present — A Conversation about LGBTQ+ Mental Health

Fri, 29 Dec 2023 05:01:00 -0000

Eric is joined in conversation by Dr. Laura Erickson-Schroth and Dr. Ilan H. Meyer to delve into the past and present of mental health for LGBTQ people.

They discuss historical stigma, the ramifications of the American Psychiatric Association’s declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder 50 years ago, and shifting psychiatric understandings of LGBTQ mental health in relation to societal pressures and prejudice. They also explore the continued pathologization of trans people, and the barriers that exist to finding accessible, safe, and informed care.

The MGH episode about Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld mentioned in the episode can be found here.

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Dismantling a Diagnosis: Episode 2: The Cure

Fri, 22 Dec 2023 12:00:00 -0000

A half-century ago, millions of homosexuals were cured with the stroke of a pen when the American Psychiatric Association decided to change its diagnostic manual and remove homosexuality from the list of mental disorders.

In this episode, we journey through several milestones in the battle for gay liberation and acceptance as we focus on how the field of psychiatry defined, and distorted, what it meant to be homosexual. Homosexuality was officially classified as a mental disorder in the 1952 edition of the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, but the narrative that equated being gay with being mentally ill had been emerging for decades. The nascent gay rights movement in the 1950s was caught between believing the sickness narrative and seeking treatment, and questioning the diagnosis and using their own voices to fight back. A groundbreaking 1956 study by psychologist Dr. Evelyn Hooker debunked the notion that gay men were, by default, mentally ill, and even though societal pressures dissuaded Dr. Hooker from extending her study to lesbians, her research gave activists a foundation to advance the discourse. The years that followed brought continued campaigning by gay activists, and with the help of enlightened psychiatrists who became allies and closeted gay psychiatrists who had the courage to speak out, 1973 brought victory. The APA overturned its classification, effectively “curing” millions of homosexuals overnight.

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Dismantling a Diagnosis: Episode 1: A Kind of Madness

Fri, 15 Dec 2023 05:01:00 -0000

In the 1950s, psychiatrists diagnosed all homosexuals with a mental illness, and the sickness label created new forms of oppression for gay people in America.

The sickness label was pervasive and seemingly inescapable. Until 1973, according to the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (the DSM), homosexuality was a mental disorder. In this first episode of Making Gay History’s “Dismantling a Diagnosis” miniseries, you’ll hear testimony from Eric Marcus’s archive describing this dangerous diagnosis and how the label affected the lives of LGBTQ people in the 1940s, ’50s and '60s. We also explore the crucial role of psychiatric pseudoscience in propagating misinformation about homosexuality. And through first-hand accounts recorded decades ago, you’ll hear from gay men and lesbians who were subjected to therapies or treatments aimed at “curing” their homosexuality. In the words of activist Morris Kight, “Imagine trying to burn out of your brain your love.”

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Coming of Age During the 1970s: Chapter 6: Marching On

Thu, 29 Jun 2023 08:00:00 -0000

In 1978 Harvey Milk calls on gay people to gather in D.C. the next year to protest the anti-gay campaigns of Anita Bryant and her ilk. Organizers are stymied by internal conflicts until Milk’s assassination galvanizes them and a date for a national march is set. But will anyone show up?

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Coming of Age During the 1970s: Chapter 5: Thank You, Anita

Thu, 08 Jun 2023 08:00:00 -0000

Eric gets an A on his freshman sociology paper, “Marginal Man: The Alcoholic and the Homosexual.” But his sunny predictions for the future of the gay rights movement are met with skepticism from his professor. Mere weeks later, Anita Bryant launches her anti-gay “Save Our Children” campaign.

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Coming of Age During the 1970s: Chapter 4: Respectable

Thu, 25 May 2023 08:00:00 -0000

Gay rights activists in NYC are first out of the gate to propose anti-discrimination legislation, confident it will sail through the City Council. Instead, they hit a wall of ignorance and bigotry. Meanwhile, 15-year-old Eric happens upon some revelatory literature in his dentist’s waiting room.

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Coming of Age During the 1970s: Chapter 3: Family Ties

Thu, 11 May 2023 08:00:00 -0000

When Jeanne Manford’s gay son is badly beaten at a 1972 GAA protest, the shy elementary school teacher takes a stand. She cofounds the organization now known as PFLAG and launches a movement that harnesses the strength of our fiercest allies: parents and the other people who love us.

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Coming of Age During the 1970s: Chapter 2: Fire Island and Other Stories

Thu, 27 Apr 2023 08:00:00 -0000

While activists are demonstrating, filing lawsuits, and pushing for anti-discrimination laws, 16-year-old Eric is on a ferry to Fire Island, a legendary gay refuge off Long Island, with his neighbor Rev. Mullen—a trip that would introduce him to a vivid slice of mid-1970s gay life, ready or not.

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Coming of Age During the 1970s: Chapter 1: A Surge of Energy

Thu, 13 Apr 2023 08:00:00 -0000

The Stonewall uprising ignites an explosion of protests and organizing that transforms a small, often tentative homophile movement into a newly assertive national force that demands gay liberation and equality. In a Puerto Rico hotel pool, 12-year-old Eric experiences a transformation of his own.

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Coming of Age During the 1970s: Preview

Thu, 06 Apr 2023 08:00:00 -0000

The decade between Stonewall and the 1979 March on Washington lives in the shadow of the AIDS crisis and all that came after. In this six-part season, Eric Marcus explores the heady years of gay liberation and the backlash that followed against the backdrop of his own coming of age as a gay teen.

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Guest Episode: Sidedoor: Lucy Hicks Anderson

Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:00:00 -0000

Known for her smashing parties, lighter-than-air soufflés, and comedic wit, Lucy Hicks Anderson never let anyone tell her how to live her life—not even the courts. When her gender was put on trial in the 1940s, the publicity around her case made her one the first documented Black transgender figures in American history.

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Bonus: A Complicated Love Story

Tue, 14 Feb 2023 10:00:00 -0000

Wait, THAT Harvey? When activist Craig Rodwell told Eric in 1989 who his first serious boyfriend had been, Eric was stunned. In our special Valentine’s Day episode, hear how love unfolded—and unraveled—for two of our movement’s titans.

This episode discusses a suicide attempt. If you’re having thoughts of suicide, please contact your country’s suicide prevention hotline. In the U.S., that’s the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline, which you can call or text toll-free at 988.

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Season 11: Episode 6: Kathleen Boatwright

Thu, 08 Dec 2022 09:00:00 -0000

When Kathleen Boatwright fell in love with a woman at church, she fell hard. But this was no carefree romance. The church was staunchly anti-gay. Kathleen was married to a man and had four children. She’d never had a relationship with a woman. As she told Eric in 1989, it was “Pentecostal hysteria.”

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Season 11: Episode 5: Robert Bauman

Thu, 01 Dec 2022 09:00:00 -0000

In 1980, conservative congressman Robert Bauman was caught soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. The scandal landed the married father of four on the front page of newspapers across the country. It spelled the end of his political career—and the start of a years-long journey toward self-acceptance.

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Season 11: Episode 4: Urvashi Vaid

Thu, 24 Nov 2022 09:00:00 -0000

Indian-born activist and lawyer Urvashi Vaid was fiercely attuned to injustice from an early age. Adamant that the fight for LGBTQ equality cannot be separated from other progressive struggles, she became one of the most influential, outspoken, and inspiring movement leaders in recent history.

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Season 11: Episode 3: Faygele Ben-Miriam

Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:00:00 -0000

In 1972, Faygele Ben-Miriam’s penchant for wearing dresses to the office got him fired from his government job in Seattle. The fact that he had recently brought one of the very first same-sex marriage lawsuits was another strike against him. Undeterred, he went back to court and sued his employer.

Heads-up: The interview featured in this episode was conducted in 1989. You’ll hear Faygele Ben-Miriam refer to intellectually disabled people using an outdated and now offensive term.

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Season 11: Episode 2: Rev. Carolyn Mobley-Bowie

Thu, 10 Nov 2022 09:00:00 -0000

Growing up in the segregated South, Rev. Carolyn Mobley-Bowie knew the challenge of finding an accepting place in the world—a challenge that only grew when her attraction to women came into conflict with her devotion to God. The predominantly gay Metropolitan Community Church offered refuge.

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Season 11: Episode 1: Craig Rodwell

Thu, 03 Nov 2022 08:00:00 -0000

In 1954, Craig Rodwell was just 14 when he was arrested for having sex with a man. The experience set the young Chicagoan on the road to becoming a self-described “angry queer”— and one of the most consequential LGBTQ rights activists before and after Stonewall.

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Season 11: Preview

Thu, 27 Oct 2022 08:00:00 -0000

We’re back with more engaging voices from Eric Marcus’s MGH archive! Meet six history makers as they share stories of faith and redemption, of family, of scandal, and of radicalization and liberation.

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Guest Episode: Revisionist History: When Will Met Grace

Thu, 15 Sep 2022 04:00:00 -0000

This special guest episode is from Revisionist History, Malcolm Gladwell’s podcast about things misunderstood and overlooked. Gladwell does a deep dive into the ’90s sitcom Will and Grace, which was quietly revolutionary in changing our collective beliefs around gay people and marriage equality. The episode also looks at how television’s ability to change public opinion has faded with the rise of modern-day streaming.

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Rewind: Stonewall 50: Episode 4: Live from Stonewall

Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:00:00 -0000

What made Stonewall different? How can we carry the lessons of the uprising with us today? Eric is joined by one archivist and four activists to answer those questions in an intergenerational conversation recorded at the Stonewall Inn on May 23, 2019.

First aired June 27, 2019. Visit the episode webpage for background information, archival photos, and other resources, as well as the episode’s transcript.

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Rewind: Stonewall 50: Episode 3: “Say It Loud! Gay & Proud!”

Thu, 16 Jun 2022 06:00:00 -0000

First aired June 20, 2019. Visit the episode webpage for background information, archival photos, and other resources, as well as the episode’s transcript.

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Rewind: Stonewall 50: Episode 2: "Everything Clicked… And the Riot Was On"

Thu, 09 Jun 2022 06:00:00 -0000

The Stonewall uprising began in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969. Revisit that moment, and the hours and days that followed, with voices from the Making Gay History archive. Relive in vivid detail the dawning of a new chapter in the fight for LGBTQ rights.

First aired June 13, 2019. Visit the episode webpage for background information, archival photos, and other resources, as well the episode’s transcript.

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Rewind: Stonewall 50: Episode 1: Prelude to a Riot

Thu, 02 Jun 2022 06:00:00 -0000

Conflict has context. In this first episode of Making Gay History’s Stonewall season, we hear stories from the pre-Stonewall struggle for LGBTQ rights. We travel back in time to the turbulent 1960s and take you to the tinderbox that was Greenwich Village on the eve of an uprising.

First aired June 6, 2019. Visit our episode webpage for background information, archival photos, and other resources, as well as the episode’s transcript.

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Season 10: Episode 6: Michelle Lopez

Thu, 31 Mar 2022 06:00:00 -0000

Women can’t get AIDS—or so Michelle Lopez thought until she tested positive for HIV in 1990. Viable treatments were years away, but the undocumented immigrant from Trinidad would not be defeated. She turned her diagnosis into an opportunity to help others while she fought for her life.

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Guest Episode: LGBTQ&A: Peter Staley: ACT UP Changed the World — Here’s How

Sat, 26 Mar 2022 06:00:00 -0000

As a complement to our episode featuring Ann Northrop, meet Peter Staley, another seminal member of ACT UP, in this 2021 interview courtesy of the LGBTQ&A podcast, hosted by Jeffrey Masters and produced by The Advocate in partnership with GLAAD.

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Season 10: Episode 5: Ann Northrop

Thu, 24 Mar 2022 06:00:00 -0000

Fierce and unflappable, veteran journalist Ann Northrop is a natural activist. In this episode, she discusses her most dramatic ACT UP arrest, her work as an AIDS education advocate, her blue-blooded upbringing, and the lure of Angie Dickinson.

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Season 10: Episode 4: Randy Boyd

Thu, 17 Mar 2022 06:00:00 -0000

Randy Boyd’s “gay agenda” was to be radically open about who he was: a gay, HIV-positive writer—not the straight professional athlete he was always assumed to be. Determined to blow up stereotypes about Black people, gay people, and people living with HIV, he had his work cut out for him.

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Season 10: Episode 3: Sara Boesser

Thu, 10 Mar 2022 07:00:00 -0000

From her home in Juneau, Alaska, Sara Boesser watched with alarm as the AIDS epidemic rolled across the lower 48 states, threatening lives and hard-won gay rights. The soft-spoken building inspector decided there was no time to waste. She became an activist and got to organizing.

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Season 10: Episode 2: Dr. Ronald Grossman

Thu, 03 Mar 2022 07:00:00 -0000

Dr. Ronald Grossman treated his first AIDS patient before the disease even had a name. But with a New York City practice serving predominantly gay men, he would soon become an expert on the disease. By the time life-saving treatments became available, hundreds of his patients had died.

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Season 10: Episode 1: Randy Shilts

Thu, 24 Feb 2022 07:00:00 -0000

Out gay journalist Randy Shilts desperately wanted to work for a big-city newspaper. No one wanted him. But reporting on the AIDS crisis brought him the success and fame he craved—and more than a little controversy.

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Season 10: Preview

Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:00:00 -0000

We’re back with more stories from the AIDS crisis. Hear Eric Marcus in conversation with six people whose lives and activism were transformed by the AIDS epidemic in the 1980s and beyond.

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Introducing: We Were Always Here: They Weren't Us

Thu, 23 Dec 2021 07:00:00 -0000

Marc Thomson was just getting his footing as a young Black gay man in South East London when AIDS hit. Hear his story as he introduces us to people whose experiences have often been overlooked, including trans people, sex workers, and people of color.

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Introducing: The Log Books: "Please Be Gentle"

Tue, 30 Nov 2021 07:00:00 -0000

In commemoration of World AIDS Day, MGH host Eric Marcus introduces a poignant episode about the early years of the AIDS crisis from The Log Books, an award-winning documentary podcast that tells untold stories from Britain’s LGBTQ history.

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Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis: Chapter 6: Making History

Fri, 10 Sep 2021 06:00:00 -0000

Being HIV+ was a virtual death sentence. So why get tested? But by 1988 there is a promising, if toxic, drug shown to extend life. Eric and Barry schedule their first test just as Eric starts work on his oral history book about the gay and lesbian civil rights movement.

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Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis: Chapter 5: In or Out

Fri, 27 Aug 2021 04:30:00 -0000

“You’re doing too many stories on AIDS.” The word had come down from on high at CBS This Morning. Eric didn’t want anyone to think he was biased, but as the only out gay person on the production staff, he felt an obligation to cover the growing epidemic.

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Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis: Chapter 4: Complications of AIDS

Thu, 12 Aug 2021 06:00:00 -0000

“I hope you both die of AIDS,” the young man in the pickup truck yells at Eric and Barry as they wait for the light to change while on a run in Central Park. By 1985, the AIDS crisis has arrived on their doorstep.

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Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis: Chapter 3: 318 West 22nd Street

Fri, 30 Jul 2021 06:00:00 -0000

A straight drug addict. A gay waiter on a ventilator. Eric is confronted with the reality of AIDS when he volunteers for the Gay Men’s Health Crisis. Decades later, he speaks with his client’s widow, for whom AIDS is a daily reality.

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Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis: Chapter 2: Not Alone

Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:00:00 -0000

Even as the epidemic spreads, a rousing AIDS fundraiser at the circus, a new boyfriend, and journalism school combine to bring joy, a sense of community, and purpose into Eric’s life.

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Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis: Chapter 1: Buried Headline

Thu, 01 Jul 2021 06:00:00 -0000

“Rare Cancer Seen in 41 Homosexuals,” said the New York Times headline on July 3, 1981. It was the first time Eric Marcus read about what came to be known as AIDS. Nothing for me to worry about, he decided, and turned the page.

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Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis: Preview

Thu, 24 Jun 2021 06:00:00 -0000

AIDS first made national news 40 years ago. MGH host Eric Marcus was 22 at the time, a gay kid in search of love and a career in New York City. In this six-part audio memoir, Eric explores his memories of the early years of the epidemic and reconnects with people whose lives intersected with his.

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Bonus: Remembering Kay Lahusen

Thu, 27 May 2021 06:00:00 -0000

In memoriam: Kay Lahusen, January 5, 1930 - May 26, 2021. Kay was a monumental figure in the LGBTQ civil rights movement. From the earliest homophile protests to gay liberation and beyond, she never stopped fighting for equality—with Barbara Gittings, her partner in life and activism, by her side.

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MGH & Studs Terkel: Episode 8: Meg Christian

Thu, 07 Jan 2021 07:00:00 -0000

Olivia Records cofounder Meg Christian helped ignite the women’s music movement of the 1970s with lesbian classics like “Ode to a Gym Teacher.” Meet Meg, in song and conversation, in our final episode drawn from the Studs Terkel Radio Archive.

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MGH & Studs Terkel: Episode 7: Leonard Matlovich

Thu, 24 Dec 2020 07:00:00 -0000

When Leonard Matlovich was thrown out of the Air Force for being gay, he sued for reinstatement. It was 1975 and it was the first case of its kind. Hear the LGBTQ rights pioneer—and startlingly frank one-time racist—in conversation with Studs Terkel.

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MGH & Studs Terkel: Episode 6: Jill Johnston

Thu, 10 Dec 2020 07:00:00 -0000

Sparks flew when radical lesbian feminist Jill Johnston sat down for an interview with Studs Terkel in 1973. Jill had just published a controversial manifesto called “Lesbian Nation,” which advocated that women break with men entirely. It was provocative stuff—even for the usually unflappable Studs.

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MGH & Studs Terkel: Episode 5: Mattachine Midwest

Thu, 26 Nov 2020 07:00:00 -0000

A half-century ago, Studs Terkel interviewed three members of the homophile group Mattachine Midwest: the organization’s president, a student activist, and lesbian pulp author Valerie Taylor. Join them for a wide-ranging and laugh-filled conversation about gay liberation both personal and political.

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MGH & Studs Terkel: Episode 4: Quentin Crisp

Thu, 12 Nov 2020 07:00:00 -0000

From a young age, Quentin Crisp was determined to be himself—makeup, painted nails, dramatically dyed hair, and all—even if it consigned him to a life of poverty and isolation. Hear the author, raconteur, and provocateur in a 1970 conversation with Studs Terkel before he found late-in-life fame.

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MGH & Studs Terkel: Episode 3: "Les-Lee"

Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:00:00 -0000

Canadian female impersonator John Falk Tomkinson appeared around the globe under the stage name Les-Lee for over three decades. In 1967 Studs Terkel interviewed the performer to talk about his art and upbringing, and his experiences of being “different.”

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MGH & Studs Terkel: Episode 2: Lorraine Hansberry

Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:00:00 -0000

In 1959 Lorraine Hansberry became the first Black woman to have a play produced on Broadway. Soon after "A Raisin in the Sun" made history, the 28-year-old writer and activist talked to Studs Terkel about racial and gender inequity and the role of art in confronting difficult truths about our world.

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MGH & Studs Terkel: Episode 1: Christopher Isherwood

Thu, 01 Oct 2020 06:05:00 -0000

Author Christopher Isherwood left England for Germany in 1929. His stories about his years there inspired the musical "Cabaret," which shaped the image of decadent interwar Berlin in the popular imagination. But as he told Studs Terkel in this 1977 interview, to him, Berlin meant, above all, boys.

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MGH & Studs Terkel Radio Archive: Preview

Thu, 01 Oct 2020 06:00:00 -0000

Making Gay History is back! Join us as we mine the Studs Terkel Radio Archive in Chicago for stories from our proud LGBTQ past to bring you eight intimate conversations conducted between 1959 and 1981 by the legendary oral historian.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 13: Larah Helayne & Jean O’Leary

Thu, 18 Jun 2020 06:00:00 -0000

When high schooler Larah Helayne heard MGH’s episode with Jean O’Leary, it changed the course of her life. Plans to become a nun gave way for a new role as an LGBTQ trailblazer. In this season finale, we celebrate the history-makers who came before and those who follow in their footsteps.

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Introducing: Those Who Were There: Voices from the Holocaust: Leon Bass

Sun, 14 Jun 2020 06:00:00 -0000

MGH is Eric Marcus’s first love. But he also co-produces Those Who Were There. Have a listen to this episode featuring Leon Bass. He faced racism growing up in 1930s Philadelphia, in the Army during WWII, and discovered its ultimate endpoint at a German concentration camp.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 12: Bayard Rustin

Sun, 07 Jun 2020 06:00:00 -0000

Making Gay History stands with the countless Americans protesting systemic racism and the deaths of Black and brown people at the hands of the police. And we draw inspiration from civil rights heroes like Bayard Rustin, an out and proud Black gay man who dedicated his life to fighting injustice.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 11: Larry Kramer

Fri, 29 May 2020 06:00:00 -0000

June 25, 1935 - May 27, 2020. In the early ’80s, author and playwright Larry Kramer was one of the first people to sound the alarm about AIDS. He became one of the loudest voices in the fight against the epidemic, calling an indifferent world to account.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 10: Perry Watkins

Sat, 23 May 2020 06:00:00 -0000

When Perry Watkins was drafted in 1968, he assumed the Army would reject him for being gay. They didn’t. When they got rid of him after 15 years of service, he fought back. As we face the systemic inequalities Covid-19 has once again laid bare, an enraging tale of prejudice, triumph, and tragedy.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 9: Joyce Hunter

Sat, 16 May 2020 06:00:00 -0000

In 1939 Joyce Hunter was born into a world so hostile it’s a wonder she wasn’t crushed. Instead, the challenges and brutality she faced proved to be the launchpad for an expansive life of pioneering activism and accomplishment. A guiding light in tough times.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 8: Morris Foote

Sat, 09 May 2020 06:00:00 -0000

In late 1955, the police of Boise, Idaho, started a sweeping investigation into an alleged “homosexual underground.” Fearing arrest, Morris Foote fled town, not to return till 20 years later. A story of Pride from the U.S. heartland to remind us that what unites us transcends red/blue state divides.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 7: Ellen DeGeneres

Sat, 02 May 2020 06:00:00 -0000

Today, Ellen DeGeneres needs no introduction. But as she explained in a 2001 MGH interview, her very public 1997 coming out took a dramatic professional and personal toll. When life goes off the rails, there’s no knowing what the future holds. We’re challenged to push ahead to fight for better days.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 6: Kay Lahusen's Gay Table

Sat, 25 Apr 2020 06:00:00 -0000

When did you make gay history? Join host Eric Marcus, pioneering photojournalist Kay Lahusen, and a group of LGBTQ history-making elders for their monthly retirement community dinner. Happy memories from the recent pre-pandemic past.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 5: Vito Russo

Sat, 18 Apr 2020 06:00:00 -0000

Vito Russo’s legacy—as a film historian, activist, and cofounder of GLAAD and ACT UP—is hard to overstate. In this 1988 interview, legacy was also very much on Vito’s mind: It was the height of the AIDS epidemic, which had claimed Vito’s boyfriend, and now Vito was sick, too. As we remember the people lost to the current pandemic, listen to Vito reflect on what it means to leave something behind.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 4: Shirley Willer

Sat, 11 Apr 2020 06:00:00 -0000

“I’ve spent a large percent of my life being angry.” That was Shirley Willer, reflecting on the death of a close friend and fellow nurse who in 1947 received fatally inadequate hospital care because he was gay. Shirley channeled her anger into activism in the early homophile movement—let’s listen to her story as we face the challenge of what to do with our own anger during this pandemic that has upended our lives.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 3: Wendell Sayers

Sat, 04 Apr 2020 06:00:00 -0000

Wendell Sayers understood isolation. Born in western Kansas in 1904, Wendell was the first Black lawyer to work for Colorado’s attorney general; living openly as a gay man wasn’t an option. When he attended meetings of the Mattachine Society in the 1950s, his race set him apart. Yet Wendell created a world for himself where he found purpose and meaning.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 2: Edythe Eyde

Sat, 28 Mar 2020 06:00:00 -0000

Musical uplift for anxious times. When Eric Marcus interviewed lesbian publishing pioneer Edythe Eyde in 1989, she treated him to a concert for one on her front porch singing her gay songs from the '50s and ‘60s. You can’t not smile.

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Revisiting the Archive: Episode 1: Frank Kameny

Sat, 21 Mar 2020 06:00:00 -0000

In 1957, Frank Kameny was fired from his job at the U.S. Army Map Service for being gay. He went on to fight the federal government for 14 years and never lost his resolve. And he won! Inspiration for us all in these challenging times.

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Bonus: From the Vault: Sylvia Rivera & Marsha P. Johnson, 1970

Fri, 27 Dec 2019 07:00:00 -0000

In 1970, a young radio reporter recorded an interview with Sylvia Rivera, Marsha P. Johnson, and other members of the newly formed Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries—STAR. Nearly 50 years later, MGH unearthed their remarkable conversation in a basement archive.

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Season 6: Episode 5: Damien Martin

Thu, 19 Dec 2019 07:00:00 -0000

Damien Martin grew up in foster care and on the streets of Philadelphia, so he knew all too well about the needs of vulnerable youth. In 1979, when he and his partner, Dr. Emery Hetrick, heard about a 15-year-old gay kid thrown out of a shelter after being gang-raped, they decided to take action.

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Season 6: Episode 4: Nancy Walker

Thu, 05 Dec 2019 07:00:00 -0000

In 1976 Nancy Walker joined the Gay Community News, an influential Boston-based weekly paper. She was in her 40s, an outspoken New Yorker, and a moderate pragmatist. Not surprisingly, Nancy and the younger, more radical GCN staff often locked horns...

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Season 6: Episode 3: Barbara Smith

Thu, 21 Nov 2019 07:00:00 -0000

For nearly half a century, Barbara Smith has been speaking truth to power—as a woman against misogyny, as an African American against racism, as a lesbian against homophobia, and as a Black lesbian against those in the gay rights movement who sideline the concerns of LGBTQ people of color.

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Season 6: Episode 2: Vernon E. "Copy" Berg III

Thu, 07 Nov 2019 07:00:00 -0000

In 1975, long before “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” the Navy asked, and Officer Copy Berg told: “Yes, I am gay.” When Copy chose to challenge the military’s ban on homosexuals, the Pentagon fought back with all guns blazing.

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Season 6: Episode 1: Ruth Simpson

Thu, 24 Oct 2019 06:05:00 -0000

There’s a war on out there. That was Ruth Simpson’s Stonewall takeaway—and she was ready to fight. But when Ruth pushed the NY chapter of the Daughters of Bilitis to be more political, the FBI and the police took note.

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Season 6: Preview

Thu, 24 Oct 2019 06:00:00 -0000

Making Gay History mines Eric Marcus’s 30-year-old audio archive of rare interviews to create intimate, personal portraits of both known and long-forgotten champions, heroes, and witnesses to LGBTQ history. In this preview, we offer a taste of what’s to come in season six, featuring the compelling voices of Ruth Simpson, Copy Berg, Barbara Smith, Nancy Walker, and Damien Martin.

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Bonus: Stonewall 50 Minisode: Craig Rodwell

Fri, 28 Jun 2019 05:23:00 -0000

This was the moment Craig Rodwell had been waiting for. He’d been bumping up against the limits of how far the Mattachine Society was willing to challenge the status quo. And when the Stonewall uprising blew things wide open, Craig grabbed the reins and never looked back.

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Bonus: Stonewall 50 Minisode: Barbara Gittings and Kay Lahusen

Fri, 28 Jun 2019 05:22:00 -0000

Stonewall turned the page on the homophile movement. Pre-Stonewall activists like Barbara Gittings and Kay Lahusen were dinosaurs in the eyes of some of the gay liberationists, and they found themselves fighting for a place in the new chapter of LGBTQ history that unfolded after the riots.

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Bonus: Stonewall 50 Minisode: Morty Manford

Fri, 28 Jun 2019 05:21:00 -0000

Nineteen-year-old Columbia University student Morty Manford thought it was just another night at the Stonewall Inn, but then the police swept in and the raid was on. Morty shared his memories of that night with Eric Marcus in this archival interview from 1989.

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Bonus: Stonewall 50 Minisode: Marsha P. Johnson & Randy Wicker

Fri, 28 Jun 2019 05:20:00 -0000

A rebroadcast of Eric’s 1989 interview with Marsha P. Johnson and Randy Wicker. Hear conflicting perspectives on Stonewall from this pair of unlikely roommates. Marsha co-founded the Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries after Stonewall; Randy had led the way in the earlier homophile movement.

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Stonewall 50: Episode 4: Live from Stonewall

Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:00:00 -0000

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Stonewall 50: Episode 3: "Say it Loud! Gay and Proud!"

Thu, 20 Jun 2019 09:00:00 -0000

Like so many other acts of queer resistance, the 1969 Stonewall riots could have become a footnote in history. But the protests and organizing that followed launched a new phase in the fight for LGBTQ rights. Hear how queer anger found its voice and how joy propelled the first Pride marches.

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Stonewall 50: Episode 2: ”Everything Clicked… And the Riot Was On”

Thu, 13 Jun 2019 06:00:00 -0000

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Stonewall 50: Episode 1: Prelude to a Riot

Thu, 06 Jun 2019 06:00:00 -0000

Conflict has context. In the first episode of Making Gay History’s Stonewall 50 season, we hear stories from the pre-Stonewall struggle for LGBTQ rights. We travel back in time to hear voices from the turbulent 1960s and take you to the tinderbox that was Greenwich Village on the eve of an uprising.

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Stonewall 50: Preview

Thu, 23 May 2019 23:00:00 -0000

A special season of Making Gay History to mark the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall uprising. Hear the voices of the rioters, and of the activists who turned a riot into gay liberation—a new and expansive phase in the LGBTQ rights movement.

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Season 4: Episode 11: Martha Shelley

Thu, 21 Feb 2019 10:00:00 -0000

Brooklyn-born Martha Shelley was a rebel. She didn’t like being told what to do, wear, or say. She hated the lesbian bars, and even after joining the Daughters of Bilitis she strained against the self-imposed limits of the homophile movement. All along, the 1960s revolution called to her.

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Season 4: Episode 10: Dick Leitsch

Thu, 07 Feb 2019 08:00:00 -0000

Dick Leitsch came to New York City in the early 1960s to smoke cigarettes, drink cocktails, and pick up handsome young men. He got his wish and then some, but the native Kentuckian also took on the police and political power brokers to successfully fight entrapment and discrimination.

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Season 4: Episode 9: Ernestine Eckstein

Thu, 24 Jan 2019 08:00:00 -0000

Ernestine Eckstein is an iconic figure from the 1960s homophile movement—from photos showing her as the only African American woman at the earliest protests, to her trailblazing cover story in The Ladder. Now we can put a voice to those images with a never-before-heard 1965 interview.

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Season 4: Episode 8: Bayard Rustin

Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:00:00 -0000

Bayard Rustin was a champion of the Black civil rights movement—mentor to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., organizer of the 1963 March on Washington. But because he was gay and out, he faced bigotry inside and outside the movement. The FBI and Sen. Strom Thurmond tried to destroy him. But he persisted.

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Season 4: Episode 7: Reed Erickson

Thu, 27 Dec 2018 08:00:00 -0000

Reed Erickson was a trans man with a big checkbook, a pet leopard, big dreams for a better world for gay people and trans folks—and he single-handedly financed ONE Incorporated and founded the first trans rights organization. Morgan M Page and AJ Lewis join MGH to help bring Reed’s story to life.

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Season 4: Episode 6: Stella Rush ("Sten Russell")

Thu, 13 Dec 2018 10:00:00 -0000

“I’m a bisexual ki-ki s.o.b. butch-femme.” Stella Rush railed against rules and binaries: butch/femme, gay/straight. Fighting for social survival and wielding a pen, Stella (aka Sten Russell) carved out a place for herself on ONE magazine’s mostly male 1950s masthead and on the pages of The Ladder.

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Season 4: Episode 5: Dorr Legg, Martin Block, and Jim Kepner of ONE

Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:00:00 -0000

ONE, the first national gay magazine, attracted the attention of the FBI and was at the heart of a landmark U.S. Supreme Court case. Dorr Legg, Martin Block, and Jim Kepner were key to ONE’s success. But don’t expect them to agree on its origin story.

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Season 4: Episode 4: Billye Talmadge

Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:00:00 -0000

Investigated by the FBI, blackmailed, but bold enough to keep going, Billye Talmadge was one of the early members of the earliest lesbian rights organization in the U.S., the Daughters of Bilitis.

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Season 4: Episode 3: Harry Hay

Thu, 01 Nov 2018 06:00:00 -0000

Harry Hay had a vision, and that vision led to the founding of the first sustained gay rights organization in the United States—the Mattachine Society, in 1950. Mattachine (and Harry’s) first task—establishing a gay identity.

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Season 4: Episode 2: Magnus Hirschfeld

Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:02:00 -0000

More than a century ago, Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld chose to take a stand for LGBTQ rights, founding a movement, providing a safe space, and seeking justice through science. The Nazis crushed his vision, but not his legacy.

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Season 4: Episode 1: Introduction

Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:00:00 -0000

Our fourth season is about beginnings. So we’re going to start at the beginning and hear from the activists and visionaries who got the ball rolling for LGBTQ civil rights. In this episode, meet some of the trailblazers who will guide us from 1897 in Germany to the eve of the Stonewall uprising, including Magnus Hirschfeld, Harry Hay, Ernestine Eckstein, Bayard Rustin, and Martha Shelley.

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Season 4: A Message from Our Listeners

Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:25:00 -0000

Making Gay History is coming back with all new episodes that bring queer history to life through the voices of the people who lived it. Hear the trailer now.

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Bonus: Farewell Dick Leitsch

Sat, 23 Jun 2018 06:00:00 -0000

May 11, 1935 - Jun 22, 2018. Dick Leitch, Kentucky native, New Yorker at heart, one-time president of the Mattachine Society of New York, was an early gay rights advocate who challenged police entrapment and championed the right of gay people to get a drink without fear of harassment or prison.

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Bonus: Kay Lahusen’s Gay Table

Thu, 21 Jun 2018 12:00:00 -0000

Join us as Making Gay History pulls up a chair at Kay Tobin Lahusen’s monthly gay dinner table. Spend some time with this gang of elders and hear how love, friendship, and activism live on for these trailblazers—even in their retirement community.

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Bonus: Love Is Love

Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0000

The right to love and be loved for who we are has always been a driving force in the fight for LGBTQ civil rights. Eric shares four special love stories from his archive featuring activists who helped change the course of history.

First aired February 14, 2017.

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Season 3: Episode 11: Morty Manford

Thu, 28 Dec 2017 08:00:00 -0000

Morty Manford was one of thousands of young people who joined the fight for gay liberation in the early 1970s. As a member of the Gay Activists Alliance, he challenged New York City's mayor face to face in a successful effort to get the police off the backs of the gay community.

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Season 3: Episode 10: Greg Brock

Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:00:00 -0000

Greg Brock blazed a trail for LGBTQ journalists by being himself at a time when being yourself could sabotage your career or cost you your job. But Greg didn't just come out on the job, he came out to everyone on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" for the first National Coming Out Day on October 11, 1988.

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Season 3: Episode 9: Paulette Goodman

Thu, 14 Dec 2017 08:00:00 -0000

As a Jewish child growing up in Nazi-occupied Paris, Paulette Goodman knew what it meant to be a despised minority. After the war, her family sought refuge in the U.S. But when Paulette found out that her child was gay, she discovered that there was another battle to be fought and won.

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Season 3: Episode 8: Morris Kight

Thu, 07 Dec 2017 08:00:00 -0000

Morris Kight was a whirling dervish champion of LGBTQ civil rights. He cut his activist teeth in the labor, civil rights, and anti-war movements, and from 1969 on brought all his passion to bear on catapulting himself and L.A.’s gay liberation efforts onto center stage.

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Season 3: Episode 7: Phyllis Lyon and Del Martin

Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0000

Phyllis Lyon and Del Martin were the originals. With six other women, they co-founded the Daughters of Bilitis—the very first lesbian organization in the U.S. DOB seems tame and timid today, but in 1955 it was risky and radical for a fearful time.

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Season 3: Episode 6: Larry Kramer

Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:00:00 -0000

In 1981 Larry Kramer sounded an alarm almost no one wanted to hear. Gay men were dying from a mysterious disease and the only way to stop its spread was to stop having sex. The outspoken activist went on to co-found GMHC and ACT UP, two of the leading organizations in the fight against AIDS.

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Season 3: Episode 5: Deborah Johnson & Zandra Rolón Amato

Thu, 16 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0000

In 1983, Deborah Johnson and Zandra Rolón Amato went to a Los Angeles restaurant for what was supposed to be a romantic dinner. Instead they wound up in court. They fought back against discrimination and won.

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Season 3: Episode 4: J.J. Belanger

Thu, 09 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0000

You may know his face from an iconic 1953 photo booth photo. But there’s a full life’s story behind that photo that includes love, heartbreak, Alfred Kinsey, and fighting for trans rights.

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Season 3: Episode 3: Ellen DeGeneres

Thu, 02 Nov 2017 07:00:00 -0000

Everybody loves Ellen. But that wasn’t always so. When she came out on screen and in real life the backlash was fierce and her future cast in doubt. In this 2001 interview, hear a beloved icon at a crossroads.

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Season 3: Episode 2: Perry Watkins

Thu, 26 Oct 2017 07:00:00 -0000

Sergeant Perry Watkins played by the rules. The U.S military did not. Drafted in 1968, he was thrown out fifteen years later despite his honesty and stellar record of service. He fought back and won.

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Season 3: Episode 1: Sylvia Rivera — Part 2

Sun, 22 Oct 2017 08:00:00 -0000

Welcome back to Sylvia Rivera’s kitchen, for the second part of a never-before-heard interview from 1989. Pull up a chair for a conversation with the trans rights pioneer as she reflects on a life of activism while cooking a pot of chili.

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Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:00:00 -0000

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Bonus: Edythe Eyde's Gay Gal's Mixtape

Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:38:00 -0000

Already a visionary with her pioneering lesbian 'zine "Vice Versa" in the 1940s, "gay gal" Edythe Eyde broke the mold again when she started singing positive ballads and gay-friendly parodies in LA's gay clubs in the 1950s. Here's her mixtape.

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Bonus: Rewind: Sylvia Rivera — Part 1

Thu, 05 Oct 2017 07:00:00 -0000

Season 3 arrives Oct 22! While you wait, here's another chance to hear trans icon and Stonewall uprising veteran Sylvia Rivera relive that June 1969 night in vivid detail and describe her struggle for recognition in the movement.

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Season 2: Episode 11: Tom Cassidy

Thu, 04 May 2017 08:00:00 -0000

CNN business anchor Tom Cassidy kept his “private life” strictly separate from his public life. Three decades ago he had to. But then he was diagnosed with AIDS.

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Season 2: Episode 10: Joyce Hunter

Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:43:00 -0000

Joyce Hunter’s childhood and adolescence were stolen from her and she was determined to keep that from happening to other LGBTQ youth. She survived suicide attempts, years in an orphanage, and a brutal anti-gay attack to change the lives of countless of young people.

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Season 2: Episode 9: Evander Smith and Herb Donaldson

Thu, 20 Apr 2017 08:00:00 -0000

Four years before the 1969 uprising at NYC’s Stonewall Inn, a San Francisco confrontation between the police and that city’s LGBT community proved a turning point. Gay attorneys Herbert Donaldson and Evander Smith were among the night’s heroes.

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Season 2: Episode 8: Barbara Gittings & Kay Lahusen — Part 2

Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:00:00 -0000

When the Stonewall uprising upended the 1960s homophile movement, Barbara Gittings and Kay Lahusen refused to be put out to pasture. They brought all their passion, humor, and determination to the gay lib ‘70s and showed the youngsters how it was done.

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Season 2: Episode 7: Herb Selwyn

Thu, 06 Apr 2017 08:00:00 -0000

Herb Selwyn never hesitated to stick his neck out for others. That included gay people at a time when other straight attorneys cashed in on the persecution of homosexuals and gay attorneys were too frightened to represent a despised minority.

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Season 2: Episode 6: Morris Foote

Thu, 30 Mar 2017 08:00:00 -0000

On November 2, 1955, when 30-year-old Morris read on the front page of Boise's newspaper, The Idaho Statesman, that the police were rounding up and arresting gay men, he did the only thing he could think of. He ran. He didn't feel safe setting foot in Boise for the next 20 years.

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Season 2: Episode 5: Jean O'Leary - Part 2

Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:00:00 -0000

Jean O’Leary had a vision for the national LGBTQ civil rights movement. On March 26, 1977 she led the first delegation of lesbian and gay activists to the White House. And in 1988 she co-founded National Coming Out Day.

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Season 2: Episode 4: Jean O'Leary - Part 1

Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:00:00 -0000

Jean O’Leary was passionate—about women, nuns, feminism, and equal rights. She left an indelible mark on the women’s movement and the LGBTQ civil rights movement, but not without causing controversy, too. After all, she was a troublemaker. And proud of it.

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Season 2: Episode 3: Hal Call

Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:55:00 -0000

Hal Call never minced words. The midwestern newspaperman and WWII vet wrested control of the Mattachine Society from its founders and went on to fight police oppression and champion sexual freedom. He also made more than a few enemies along the way.

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Season 2: Episode 2: Shirley Willer

Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:00:00 -0000

Shirley Willer had good reason to be angry. She was beaten by the police and a dear friend was allowed to die—because they were gay. She channeled that anger into action, traveling the country in the 1960s to launch new chapters of gay rights organizations.

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Season 2: Episode 1: Marsha P. Johnson and Randy Wicker

Thu, 02 Mar 2017 11:00:00 -0000

Meet Marsha P. Johnson and Randy Wicker—two very different heroes of the early LGBT civil rights movement. Marsha was a Street Transvestite Action Revolutionary. Randy led the first gay demonstration in 1964 in coat and tie.

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Season 2: Preview

Thu, 23 Feb 2017 11:33:00 -0000

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Bonus: Love Is Love

Tue, 14 Feb 2017 05:18:00 -0000

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Season 1: Episode 10: Vito Russo

Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:00:00 -0000

Vito Russo loved movies, but he looked behind the silver screen and saw how Hollywood was sending a message that LGBTQ people were less-than-human. He decided that that had to change. He wrote a book, cofounded GLAAD, and when his life was on the line, he was one of the people who founded ACT UP.

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Season 1: Episode 9: Barbara Gittings & Kay Lahusen — Part 1

Thu, 08 Dec 2016 08:00:00 -0000

Self-described gay rights fanatics and life partners Barbara Gittings and Kay “Tobin” Lahusen helped supercharge the nascent movement in the 1960s and brought their creativity, passion, determination, and good humor to the Gay Liberation 1970s, leaving behind an inspiring legacy of dramatic change.

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Season 1: Episode 8: "Dear Abby"

Thu, 01 Dec 2016 08:00:00 -0000

A generation ago, tens of millions of people turned to "Dear Abby” in her daily newspaper column for advice. Long before others did, and at considerable risk, she used her platform and celebrity in support of gay people and their equal rights.

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Season 1: Episode 7: Chuck Rowland

Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:47:00 -0000

A WWII veteran turns theory into action, co-founding one of the first LGBT rights groups, the Mattachine Society, in 1950—a time when gay people were considered sick, sinful, criminal, and a threat to national security.

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Season 1: Episode 6: Jeanne and Morty Manford

Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:30:00 -0000

When Jeanne Manford’s gay son was badly beaten at a protest in 1972, she took action and founded an organization for parents of gays known today as PFLAG.

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Season 1: Episode 5: Frank Kameny

Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:06:00 -0000

Frank Kameny fought for what was right. And he never gave up. Lessons for us all.

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Season 1: Episode 4: Dr. Evelyn Hooker

Thu, 03 Nov 2016 03:19:00 -0000

In 1945 Dr. Evelyn Hooker’s gay friend Sam From urged her to do a study challenging the commonly held belief that homosexuals were by nature mentally ill. It was work that would ultimately strip the “sickness” label from millions of gay men and women and change the course of history.

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Season 1: Episode 3: Edythe Eyde aka Lisa Ben

Thu, 27 Oct 2016 03:19:00 -0000

In 1947, Hollywood secretary Edythe Eyde, aka Lisa Ben, had the audacity to publish "Vice Versa," the first ever “magazine” for lesbians. Even more audacious, she imagined a future gay utopia that has all come to pass. In the '50s, Edythe sang gay parodies of popular songs in LA gay clubs.

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Season 1: Episode 2: Wendell Sayers

Thu, 20 Oct 2016 04:37:00 -0000

You’ve never heard of Wendell Sayers, but once you hear his story, you’ll never forget him. Born in western Kansas in 1904, Wendell was the first Black lawyer to work for Colorado’s attorney general, and risked everything to join a gay discussion group.

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Season 1: Episode 1: Sylvia Rivera — Part 1

Thu, 13 Oct 2016 11:13:00 -0000

A never-before-heard conversation with trans icon and self-proclaimed Stonewall veteran Sylvia Rivera. Hear Sylvia discuss the first night of the June 1969 uprising and her struggle for recognition in the LGBTQ rights movement.

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Wed, 05 Oct 2016 23:43:00 -0000

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