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The Livestream Ego Economy

Fri, 24 Apr 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan discuss Andreessen Horowitz’s new Twitter-based live show, Monitoring the Situation, and what it reveals about the steep challenges of building influence in a hyper-fragmented media landscape. They also weigh in on the ego dynamics powering the live streaming boom, social media’s grip on C.E.O. culture, the role legacy media plays in fueling the very shows that claim to be replacing it, and much more.

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Introducing Family Lore

Wed, 22 Apr 2026 07:01:00 -0000

Family Lore is a weekly narrative podcast that celebrates and investigates ancestral mystique. Each episode begins with a guest sharing a fascinating family legend, followed by a historical deep-dive to uncover the truth and meaning behind the tale. Available now: link.pscrb.fm/f0281/FLFD

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The Onion’s Full Bloom

Tue, 21 Apr 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Ben Collins, C.E.O. of The Onion, joins Dylan to make sense of their acquisition of Infowars and the purpose driving it. Collins walks through the legal and financial complexity of redirecting money to Sandy Hook families owed damages by a bankrupt Alex Jones, including the unique $500,000 six-month licensing deal at the center of it. They also discuss The Onion’s successful pivot to user-supported media—and why, in an era of rampant misinformation, satire has never felt more necessary.

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Bankoff’s Vox Media Auction Block

Fri, 17 Apr 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander and Dylan Byers weigh in on Jim Bankoff’s looming sale of Vox Media’s assets—including its podcast network and New York magazine—and the field of potential buyers circling the deal. They also discuss how A.I. is reshaping the business and audience dynamics of journalism, the return of Brian Williams on Netflix, the latest wave of industry layoffs, and much more.

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Noah Oppenheim’s TV News Survival Guide

Tue, 14 Apr 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Former NBC News chief Noah Oppenheim joins Dylan to assess the slow fade of linear TV news—and what legacy players like NBC, CBS, and CNN can do to stay relevant. Noah’s playbook: lean into tentpoles like NBC’s ‘Today’ and CBS’s ‘60 Minutes,’ invest in premium video content, adapt to the way people actually consume media now, and, perhaps most importantly, develop a point of view audiences can’t get anywhere else—à la Fox News.

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Why OpenAI Bought a Talk Show

Fri, 10 Apr 2026 07:00:00 -0000

The legendary Chris Lehane, now OpenAI’s chief policy guy, makes the case for the company’s surprising, nine-figure acquisition of TBPN, the daily tech and business talk show. Then TBPN president Dylan Abruscato swings by to untangle the logic—and ambiguity—of their new partnership, how OpenAI could help supercharge growth, and what it all means for future tech-media entanglements.

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Is the OpenAI–TBPN Deal the Future of Media?

Tue, 07 Apr 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Dylan and Julia reunite to scrutinize OpenAI’s baffling acquisition of TBPN—and the enduring notion that tech companies can fix media simply by owning it. They also weigh in on LinkedIn’s reported interest in Beehiiv, Versant’s grab for Vox Media’s podcast network, and the increasingly muddled media M&A landscape writ large.

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Content Without Creators

Fri, 03 Apr 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Gavin Purcell, co-founder of A.I. for Humans, joins Julia for a candid conversation about A.I.’s transformative—and destabilizing—impact on the creator economy, from lowering the barriers to entry for creators to questions about I.P., monetization, and control. They also weigh into the need for media companies to embrace the future of A.I. and invest in new technologies and talent.

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Carr Crash at the F.C.C.

Tue, 31 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Former F.C.C. chairJessica Rosenworcel and former NPR chief Gary Knell join Dylan at the Common Sense Media Summit to discuss the precarious state of the agency under Brendan Carr. They scrutinize his aggressive posture toward broadcasters, the potential implications for the First Amendment, and the broader risks to democracy—while also exploring solutions to support local news, combat consolidation, and protect kids in an age of infinite slop.

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Presenting The Draymond Green Show | Draymond Green Versus Skip Bayless

Mon, 30 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000

On the Draymond Green Show, no topic is off limits. In this episode Draymond welcomes Skip Bayless to discuss Michael Jordan, Stephen A Smith, LeBron James, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, and they debate whether or not Draymond is really the dirtiest player of all time.

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TikTok’s Big Tobacco Era

Fri, 27 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Live from the Common Sense Media Summit in San Francisco, Attorneys General Rob Bonta and Raúl Torrez join Dylan to chart the jarring similarities between Big Tech and the tobacco industry. They discuss the ongoing lawsuits against companies like Meta and TikTok, the harmful effects of these platforms on children, the need for accountability and transparency, the challenge of regulating social media, the risk of the federal government preempting state laws, and more.

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CNN’s McAfee Makeover

Tue, 24 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan scrutinize CNN’s attempt to loosen the tie—turning Anderson Cooper and Jake Tapper into something closer to podcast personalities in the mold of Pat McAfee and Joe Rogan. Naturally, the effort has invited ridicule—and raises a deeper question: does C.E.O. Mark Thompson’s vision align with what audiences actually want, and more importantly, what his audience needs?

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The Beehiiv Bull Case

Fri, 20 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Tyler Denk, founder and C.E.O. of Beehiiv, joins Dylan to make the case for what makes his platform the best bet for independent creators—and why it’s not to be compared to Substack, as it so often is. He also weighs in on Substack’s $1.1 billion valuation, the realities of monetizing audiences, and the long game for the creator economy writ large. Plus, his thoughts on scaling the business and why that’s the thing that keeps him up at night.

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Prediction Markets Crash the Oscars

Tue, 17 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan weigh into the increasingly uncanny world of generative A.I.—from the rise of A.I.-generated content flooding social media feeds to the technology’s influence on coverage of the war with Iran. They also discuss whether tech companies are sleepwalking toward a regulatory reckoning—and why the Oscars may soon look a lot like a sportsbook thanks to the rise of prediction markets.

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Ellison Megamerger Complexifiers

Fri, 13 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan return to the scene of the Paramount–Warner Bros. car crash: what it means for streaming, who wins and loses in a CNN-CBS combination, whether Jeff Shell gets the axe, and how the whole enchilada comes together.

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The CBS–CNN Marriage Proposal

Tue, 10 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000

Sam Feist, the C.E.O. of C-SPAN and former 33-year veteran of CNN, joins Dylan to discuss the long-whispered possibility (now reality) of a marriage between CNN and CBS—a concept that has quietly floated around the industry for more than 40 years. Feist explains why the broadcast reach of CBS and CNN’s global reporting capabilities could be uniquely complementary, what the union might look like under the Ellisons, and why trusted journalism matters more than ever in today's hyper-misinformation era. He also shares the new initiatives he’s implementing at C-SPAN, in an effort to foster bipartisan dialogue.

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CNN Fears & The Ellison Era

Fri, 06 Mar 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Dylan and Julia consider the fate of CNN under Ellison rule: the looming $6 billion in “synergies” menacing the newsroom, how cost cutting could impact staff, the stark realities of operating a pricey 24/7 network, and the mounting speculation surrounding whether Bari Weiss will turn the whole thing into CBS+.

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Debt Men Walking

Tue, 03 Mar 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Dylan welcomes Puck superfriends Matt Belloni and Bill Cohan to discuss every angle of the Paramount-WBD leveraged buyout: the Ellisons’ exorbitant $79 billion debt, Zaslav’s true legacy, and whether Netflix dodged a bullet. Then they dig into the industry reactions to the deal and its dire implications for Hollywood.

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Polymarket’s Press Test & WaPo’s Town Hall

Fri, 27 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan dive into the new partnership between Polymarket and Substack, and debate whether live markets actually make journalism better. Then they turn to the latest turbulence at The Washington Post after its recent town hall, and address the existential question: Is there anything Jeff Bezos can realistically do to steady the ship?

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The Post-MrBeast Creator Economy

Tue, 24 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Reed Duchscher, C.E.O. of Night Media, joins Dylan and Julia to discuss his management firm’s recent $70 million raise—and what it signals about the next phase of his company and the creator economy writ large. A former manager of MrBeast, Duchscher explains why we’re unlikely to see another YouTube star of that scale, weighs the tension between volume and scarcity, and weighs into the rise of platforms like TikTok and Roblox, the future of independent political commentary, and more.

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Media’s Trump II Stress Test

Fri, 20 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan assess the state of CBS—and the media industry writ large—in the Trump II era, from the fallout over Stephen Colbert’s interview with James Talarico to Anderson Cooper’s stunning exit from 60 Minutes. They also assess the early numbers from Peacock’s “Legendary February,” the steep implications of Paramount’s renewed pursuit of WBD, what a WBD-PSKY merger could mean for CNN, and much, much more.

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The Calm Before the NFL Storm

Tue, 17 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000

John Ourand and Julia Alexander dive into the biggest sports media storylines of the moment, from the forthcoming NFL rights negotiations and their sweeping implications to NBCUniversal’s “Legendary February” and Peacock’s ongoing subscriber challenges. They also discuss the NFL’s growing international ambitions, the competitive drag of NBA tanking, the Olympics, and much more.

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The Peacock Problem & The Post in Peril

Fri, 13 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan to take stock of the week in media: Spotify’s rosy earnings report, NBC’s “Legendary February,” Peacock’s subscriber headaches, the enduring A.I.-media reckoning, and more. Plus, Dylan weighs in on what the future holds for the embattled Washington Post after a turbulent few weeks of layoffs and leadership upheaval.

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Can Sports Save Peacock?

Tue, 10 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000

NBC Sports president Rick Cordella joins Dylan to discuss a pivotal month for the network, from the Super Bowl to the Winter Olympics and the NBA All-Star Game. Cordella explains how live sports fuel subscriber growth for Peacock, often driving audiences to other programming, and reflects on the enduring value of broadcast television, the challenges of media fragmentation, the strategic importance of retaining premium sports rights, and more.

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Matt Murray on the Washington Post’s Mass Layoffs

Fri, 06 Feb 2026 17:00:00 -0000

The Washington Post executive editor Matt Murray joins Dylan for an exclusive, wide-ranging conversation about the sweeping layoffs that reduced the newsroom by 300 journalists and a third of the company overall. Murray defends the restructuring as necessary to meet changing audience behavior and address financial strain, while arguing that recent subscriber gains signal a viable path to growth in the paper’s next chapter.

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WaPo’s Extinction Event & The Dawn of D’Amaro

Fri, 06 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan dig into the week’s most consequential media storylines: the mass layoffs at the Washington Post, Peacock’s pivotal month of sports programming, the ascension of Josh D’Amaro as Disney’s new C.E.O., and the growing question of whether ESPN will ultimately be spun off as Disney signals that its future lies beyond traditional television.

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The Making of Tucker Carlson

Tue, 03 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Jason Zengerle joins Dylan for a deep dive into his new book, ‘Hated by All the Right People: Tucker Carlson and the Unraveling of the Conservative Mind.’ Zengerle traces Carlson’s evolution from print journalist to cable news star—and eventually to media mogul—examining his strategic use of outrage, his close alignment with Trump, and how both have fueled his influence. They also explore the broader impact of conservative media on American political discourse and whether Carlson may ultimately pursue elected office.

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Can Barry Diller Save CNN?

Fri, 30 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan chew over the reports that Barry Diller is interested in buying CNN, and whether a new owner would solve the network’s digital dilemma (probably not). Then they assess the broader, largely self-inflicted crises facing Bari Weiss at CBS News, Will Lewis at The Washington Post, and Mark Thompson at CNN. They also break down Netflix’s latest Engagement Report and the streamer’s increasingly YouTube-esque programming.

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Food52’s Recipe for Bankruptcy

Tue, 27 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Former Barstool Sports C.E.O. and Food52 chief executive Erika Ayers Badan joins Dylan to reflect on navigating bankruptcy at Food52, a onetime $300 million company that ultimately collapsed under roughly $25 million in debt. She breaks down what went wrong, the dangers of undisciplined growth, and why diversified revenue streams matter now more than ever. She also discusses what kind of buyers might be circling, what industry peers can learn from Food52’s downturn, her take on the state of media writ large—and much more.

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Netflix vs. YouTube vs. Everybody

Fri, 23 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan break down the week’s biggest media storylines, from Netflix’s earnings and Ted Sarandos’s candid take on the state of television to Neal Mohan’s annual letter outlining YouTube’s present—and A.I.-shaped future. The duo weigh into the ever-growing challenge of capturing attention in an increasingly oversaturated and fragmented media ecosystem—and the curious case of Mediaite’s perplexing new newsletter about… newsletters.

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Ben & Justin on Semafor’s $330M Valuation

Tue, 20 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Semafor co-founders Justin Smith and Ben Smith join Dylan to discuss their recent $30 million financing at a staggering $330 million post-money valuation—and to address some industry player-hating. They justify the math behind the valuation, break down the economics of a media company with a significant events business (while rejecting the idea that Semafor is events-first), and walk through their broader ambition to build a global, intelligent, independent news brand in the mold of The Economist and the Financial Times.

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CBS News on the Rocks

Fri, 16 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Dylan and Julia dig into the mess surrounding a potential corporate sponsorship of CBS News’ “Whiskey Fridays” with Tony Dokoupil, after an Evening News set featuring a Jack Daniel’s logo leaked online. The controversy also sparked a bigger debate about whether corporate sponsorships lack journalistic integrity—or actually offer a viable lifeline to a news industry in perpetual decline.

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The Gospel According to VandeHei

Tue, 13 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Jim VandeHei, the co-founder and C.E.O. of Axios, is back with hot takes on the industry’s biggest challenges: the media’s trust deficit, the imperative to serve hyper-targeted audiences, and how A.I. is writing journalism’s next chapter. Jim predicts a potential golden age for quality reporting—provided publishers actually embrace A.I.—and delivers a characteristically blunt assessment of The Washington Post and CBS News.

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The Dokoupil Debacle & Semafor’s $330M Question

Fri, 09 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan survey a volatile week in media: Tony Dokoupil’s rocky debut at CBS Evening News and the broader questions it raises about Bari Weiss’s leadership, Semafor’s eyebrow-raising $330 million valuation, the flood of A.I.-generated content overtaking Instagram and X, and plenty more.

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Hollywood’s Future ’26 War Stories

Tue, 06 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000

Matt Belloni joins Dylan and Julia to chart the latest updates surrounding the Warner Bros. Discovery bidding war between Netflix and Paramount—and what each side stands to gain or lose. Then they dive into Hollywood’s accelerating A.I. anxiety in light of Disney’s pact with Sora 2, the upcoming film slate for 2026, YouTube's rights deal with the Oscars, and more. Plus: Matt explains his choices for Hollywood’s heroes and villain of the year.

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CNN Sale Chatter, Meta TV & Other 2026 Predictions

Fri, 02 Jan 2026 15:40:00 -0000

Dylan and Julia forecast the media chaos to come, mapping out the storylines likely to dominate the year ahead—from the ongoing Warner Bros. Discovery drama to Disney’s Sora experiment, Instagram Reels invading connected TV, and the likely disruption of the ad market. They also predict CNN’s uncertain future, the waning influencer economy, the A.I. forces quietly rearranging everything, and much more.

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Are the Kids… All Right?

Tue, 30 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Jim Steyer, the founder and C.E.O. of Common Sense Media, joins Dylan for a fascinating end-of-year conversation about which tech companies and social media platforms are getting it right (and wrong) when it comes to child safety. They also chat about his legendary class at Stanford and forthcoming podcast, his brother Tom’s gubernatorial bid in California, and much more.

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Media’s ’25 Crisis of Nerve

Fri, 26 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan reunite to survey the stories that defined media in 2025, starting with the recent uproar over Bari Weiss pulling a ’60 Minutes’ segment critical of the Trump administration. Then they dig into the impact of David Ellison’s bid for Warner Bros., Trump’s omnipresent influence on the media ecosystem, the mounting pressures on legacy outlets, and much more.

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Katie Couric Goes Direct

Tue, 23 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000

The one and only Katie Couric joins Dylan for a wide-ranging look back—and forward—at her career, from her stints at the Today show, CBS, and Yahoo to building her own media empire. She digs into the collapse of monoculture, the rise of a creator-driven media landscape, why authenticity matters now more than ever, maintaining journalistic integrity in an era of relentless political pressure—and much, much more.Learn more about Starbucks industry-leading benefits at ⁠starbucks.com/partners⁠⁠.⁠

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Media’s Anxiety Index

Fri, 19 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Orchestra C.E.O. Jonathan Rosen and Jon Kelly join Dylan live from New York to walk through new survey data capturing the media industry’s state of mind. They dig into the rise of subscription-based models, the FAST explosion, the creeping influence of A.I., and much more. Plus, cameo insights from Semafor’s Ben Smith and Feed Me’s Emily Sundberg who offer their own read on where the business is bending—and breaking.

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Sorkin’s Rules of Engagement

Tue, 16 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Andrew Ross Sorkin, founder of The New York Times’ DealBook and co-host of CNBC’s Squawk Box, joins Dylan for a candid conversation about the ins and outs of his media business. He walks through a typical day in his life, explains why he’s prioritizing quality over quantity (and skipping the media-empire chase), and breaks down his approach to high-stakes interviews. They also dig into the DealBook Summit—his toughest interview yet, his white-whale guest—and the advice he’d give to anyone trying to break into media in 2026.

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The Iger-Altman Alliance

Fri, 12 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Dylan and Julia reunite to chew over Disney’s new deal with OpenAI, which will pump more than 200 Disney characters into Sora so fans can generate their own content with the company’s most valuable I.P. They also check in on the WBD sweepstakes: how Paramount and Netflix stack up, what each company’s contingency plans looks like, the regulatory headaches ahead, and much more.

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Can Yahoo Survive in a Hyper-Niche World?

Tue, 09 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Yahoo C.E.O. Jim Lanzone joins Dylan and Julia for a tour of the company’s Apollo era, four years after the private equity behemoth bought the business for just $5 billion—nearly $120 billion shy of its peak valuation. Lanzone breaks down Yahoo’s growth strategy: the metrics that actually matter, how the company monetizes at scale, and what the endgame looks like. They also dig into Yahoo’s A.I. ambitions, and what it takes to run a mass-market consumer business in a media landscape focused on niche and specialized content.

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Introducing How We Made Your Mother Season 2!

Sat, 06 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000

It’s been 20 years since How I Met Your Mother premiered, and just over 10 years since the finale. Josh Radnor, who played “Ted” for nine seasons teams up with series co-creator Craig Thomas for this episode-by-episode rewatch podcast. For the superfans, HWMYM (listen to the trailer to learn how it’s pronounced) will get into all the secrets, theories, and pineapples, but we'll also use HIMYM – and our relationship to it two decades later – to talk about life and love and art and everything in between. How We Made Your Mother… a flashback podcast for a flashback show. You can listen to all episodes of season 1 now, and join Josh and Craig as they dive into season 2!

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Substack’s Lizza Problem & Spotify Wrapped Revelations

Fri, 05 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan revisit the endlessly looping Nuzzi-Lizza saga, questioning whether we’re still covering journalism or merely documenting a public breakup. They dissect the collateral damage of the drama: Substack’s structural vulnerabilities, Vanity Fair’s brand calculus, and the reputational fallout for both combatants. Plus, they swap their Spotify Wrapped revelations and discuss how Spotify turned an annual recap into a global marketing juggernaut.

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Elon, Zohran & The New Politics of Influence

Tue, 02 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Makena Kelly, senior writer at Wired, joins Julia to wade into the Venn diagram of politics, internet culture, and technology. They discuss Elon Musk’s curious cameo in the Trump administration, the rise of influencer gatherings over traditional press, and how online fandoms can turbocharge campaigns like Zohran Mamdani’s. They also explore how creators are reshaping political media and the tightrope reporters walk to stay objective through it all.

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Thanksgiving Media Intrigues & Nuzzigate Leftovers

Fri, 28 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan serve up the latest media dish: the blurred lines between journalists and influencers; how A.I. is transforming Apple and Google; the Substackification of legacy media; and, of course, the Nuzzi-Lizza-R.F.K. scandal that won’t die.

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Nuzzi, Wolff, and the Algorithm Apocalypse

Tue, 25 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Brian Morrissey and Troy Young, hosts of People vs Algorithms, join Dylan to discuss the media culture war between “information entrepreneurs” like Olivia Nuzzi and Michael Wolff and old-school journalists such as Kara Swisher. Then they dig into the blurring lines between journalism and content creation writ large, the rise of performative reporting, and whether traditional media can keep up in the new attention economy.

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Inside Alison’s Roman Empire

Fri, 21 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Alison Roman, the internet’s favorite culinary truth-teller, rejoins Dylan to dish on her ongoing evolution as an independent creator in the chaotic attention economy. She discusses her new book, the existential importance of keeping it authentic, and why she broke up with Substack. She also previews her next acts—and, of course, what she’s cooking for Thanksgiving.

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Olivia Nuzzi’s Media Mirage & Gerry Cardinale’s Broadsheet Blues

Tue, 18 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan discuss Olivia Nuzzi’s Vanity Fair “American Canto” excerpt and New York Times profile, and the increasingly tangled relationship between celebrity culture and legacy media brands trying to retain and grow audiences. They also discuss the fate of The Telegraph, and why Jeff Zucker and Gerry Cardinale can’t seem to get their hands around the storied Tory broadsheet.

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A $420M Mamdani Surprise & Bankoff’s Podcast Spin Plan

Fri, 14 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan break down the week’s buzziest media flashpoints: prediction markets muscling their way into politics, punctuated by the $420 million frenzy over New York’s mayoral election; the BBC tiptoeing toward a legal cage match with Trump while clinging to its nonpartisan halo; Jim Bankoff’s plan to spin off the Vox Media Podcast Network; Bob Iger’s flirtation with A.I.-fueled user-generated content at Disney; and more.

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A.I.’s Mass Media Makeover

Tue, 11 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Ian Krietzberg joins Dylan to size up A.I.’s takeover of the media business—how it’s rewiring audiences, destabilizing trust, and threatening to drown the news in algorithmic sludge—while arguing that exclusive content and credibility are the key to survival. And though A.I. might yet change the world, Ian warns that energy costs and bad data could short-circuit the revolution before it starts.

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MSNBC’s $20M Makeover & Mamdani’s Media Magic

Fri, 07 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan dive into this week’s media firestorm: Zohran Mamdani’s social media-fueled campaign to become New York’s next mayor, the prolonged YouTube TV-Disney carriage standoff, ESPN’s latest play with DraftKings, MSNBC’s rebrand as MS NOW, and much more.

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The WBD Hunger Games

Tue, 04 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Lightshed’s Rich Greenfield joins Dylan and Julia to take stock of the WBD bidding war, as Paramount and Comcast circle the prize while Netflix and Amazon lurk on the sidelines. They game out who needs it the most, what each is willing to pay, how they might integrate their assets, and much more.

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Comcast’s Peacock Problem & Elon’s Grokipedia

Fri, 31 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan reunite to chew over Comcast- NBCUniversal’s lukewarm earnings, Peacock’s perpetual stagnation, and what it all portends for the company’s broader media ambitions—especially with WBD sitting pretty waiting for a buyer. Plus, CNN’s way too little, too late launch of its direct-to-consumer subscription streaming service, Elon Musk’s Grokipedia sideshow, and much, much more.

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Neal Mohan’s YouTube Endgame

Tue, 28 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000

YouTube C.E.O. Neal Mohan and creator Michelle Khare join Dylan at the Paley Summit to discuss YouTube’s sprawling empire: the burgeoning creator economy, the evolving toolkit at creators’ disposal, how the A.I. revolution is quietly reshaping the platform and the media industry writ large, and much more.

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The Times’ TikTok Era & The Zaz-WBD Whisper Network

Fri, 24 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan debrief this week’s most pressing headlines and trends in the media business: the chatter swirling around David Zaslav’s potential sale of WBD, the New York Times’ plunge into short-form video as it takes aim at TikTok and Instagram, YouTube’s next big pivot, and much more.

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The Bulwark’s Seven-Year War

Tue, 21 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Sarah Longwell, publisher of The Bulwark, joins Dylan for a wide-ranging conversation on the media landscape and the evolution of their seven-year-old, never-Trump media company. Sarah discusses how they’re navigating this transitional moment for the industry, what Bari Weiss’ $150 million sale of The Free Press portends for their own exit options, how they’re trying to reach and resonate with new audiences, and much more.

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The Netflix-Spotify Marriage and Gerry’s Media Land Grab

Fri, 17 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan chew over the week’s media mayhem: Netflix’s watershed podcast deal with Spotify, the booming industry of athlete-owned media, Gerry Cardinale’s unexpected foray into traditional media, the ominous layoffs looming over NBC and CBS News, and much, much more.

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The $5M TBPN Playbook

Tue, 14 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000

John Coogan and Jordi Hays, co-hosts of The Technology Business Programming Network, join Dylan to discuss how they scaled their podcast from a one-hour weekly show to a five-day live juggernaut pulling in roughly $5 million in ad revenue. They explain how they’ve managed to captivate both Silicon Valley and, increasingly, Wall Street—not to mention the CNBCs and Bloombergs of the world marveling from the sidelines.

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Can Bari Save CBS?

Fri, 10 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan dig into the uproar over Bari Weiss’s grand arrival at CBS News—seen by some as a journalistic awakening, and by others as a credibility crisis in the making. The duo dive deep into how her appointment fits into David Ellison’s broader media ambitions and debate whether Weiss can lure younger, more affluent viewers without blowing up the network’s buttoned-down D.N.A.

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The MAGA Creator Industrial Complex

Tue, 07 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Chris Balfe, C.E.O. of Red Seat Ventures, joins Dylan for a deep dive into the booming independent creator economy—what creators need, how they can scale, the smartest ways to unlock new revenue streams, and more. Balfe also breaks down Red Seat’s growing portfolio of conservative voices, from Tucker Carlson to Megyn Kelly, and its recent acquisition by Fox, which has emerged as the most aggressive legacy player chasing creator talent.

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Hollywood’s Sora 2 Panic & Zuck’s Vibes Play

Fri, 03 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan dive into the launch of OpenAI’s new video-generation app, Sora 2, and Mark Zuckerberg’s A.I. social media platform, Vibes. They explain why these releases have sent Hollywood into a state of not-so-mild panic, and how these A.I. platforms might reshape the media industry writ large. Then, they turn to the YouTube TV–NBCU carriage dispute, and what it portends for similar industry battles going forward.

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The $25M Bloomberg of Travel

Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Rafat Ali, founder of Skift, joins Dylan to chart the rise of his B2B media empire—which he’s dubbed “the Bloomberg of travel.” Ali breaks down how Skift has evolved to generate upwards of $25 million in revenue with 20 percent profit margins, the secret sauce of hyper-targeted B2B media, the broader challenges and opportunities within a media industry still chasing scale at all costs, and much more.

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Introducing Simpsons Declassified with Nancy Cartwright

Sat, 27 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Simpsons fans —THE VAULT IS OPEN!

I’m Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart Simpson for 35+ years, and I’m finally taking you inside Springfield. Simpsons Declassified is your all-access pass to the world’s most iconic, animated series.

Each week, we crack open wild predictions, eerie coincidences and fan conspiracies and stories from 36 seasons (that’s 800+ episodes!) behind-the-scenes with writers, directors, the cast and celebrity superfans, PLUS…Simpsons-themed games— play along and test your Springfield IQ.

Hear exclusive stories from our guests who were there! Perhaps some scenes that almost never aired, the jokes that died, the ones that lived and the moments that still shock me at the mic.

Produced and showrun by Monica Gil-Rodriguez. From Audacy Podcasts and CRE84U Entertainment.

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Trump’s Free Speech Paradox

Fri, 26 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander and Dylan Byers dive into the week’s media maelstrom, courtesy of the Disney-Kimmel-F.C.C.-Trump kerfuffle. They explore the paradox of an administration trying to strong-arm broadcast TV—which is on its way out—and speculate on how Trump and Co. might attempt to flex on independent creators on YouTube, TikTok, and other platforms. They also weigh the stakes for Disney and Bob Iger’s enduring legacy.

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Disney’s Kimmel Pivot & Ellison’s WBD Lasso

Tue, 23 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Kim Masters joins Dylan to address the existential questions surrounding Jimmy Kimmel’s return to ABC: Will Nexstar and Sinclair actually air the show? How does the creative community in Hollywood feel about this? Is the pressure from the F.C.C. going to subside? Are people going to forgive Bob Iger? Plus, Kim shares the latest updates regarding David Ellison’s WBD fantasy.

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Disney’s F.C.C. Fear Factor

Fri, 19 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan scrutinize Disney’s perplexing decision to sideline Jimmy Kimmel under pressure from the F.C.C.—a move that raises thorny questions about media freedom, corporate backbone, and whether Disney actually just created more headaches for itself. They also dig into The New York Times’ evolving strategy and why the paper has emerged as one of the last news institutions standing up to Trump’s media crackdown.

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Meredith Kopit Levien’s New New York Times

Tue, 16 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Meredith Kopit Levien, C.E.O. of The New York Times, joins Dylan and Julia for a deep dive into the paper’s metamorphosis from a traditional news company to a full-spectrum lifestyle brand. Levien breaks down how they’re harnessing A.I. tools, tinkering with audio and video, and sharpening its advertising playbook—all while building a diverse revenue stream anchored in subscriptions. She also weighs in on The Athletic’s success, the Times’s quest to reach 15 million subscribers by 2027, and much, much more.

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Rupert’s Last Rodeo & CNN’s Zombie Era

Fri, 12 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan chew over the latest machinations along media's waterfront: Rupert Murdoch’s succession denouement and the future of Fox and News Corp, how ‘The Atlantic’ is faring in the new media landscape, the latest angst percolating through Hudson Yards, and much more.

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Lachlan’s Coup & The Murdoch Legacy

Wed, 10 Sep 2025 21:32:00 -0000

On this special crossover episode, Peter Hamby and Dylan chronicle the closing act of the Murdoch succession drama, as Rupert’s massive media empire lands squarely in the hands of his staunchly conservative son, Lachlan, while the other three siblings walk away with a hefty payout. They explore what this means for Fox’s future—and just how long the 94-year-old Rupert will continue to wield his power behind the scenes.

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The R.F.K. Media Antidote

Tue, 09 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Rick Berke, former Politico executive editor and founder of STAT News, joins Dylan to reflect on his 10-year journey from startup to building one of the most authoritative voices in the life sciences industry. Berke explains how he turned STAT into a profitable media venture, the hurdles facing subscription-based models, and why it’s so difficult for legacy giants like the Washington Post or LA Times to pull off the same trick.

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The Weissification of CBS News

Fri, 05 Sep 2025 14:28:00 -0000

Julia and Dylan break down David Ellison’s imminent acquisition of Bari Weiss’s The Free Press—and how her anti-establishment worldview could reverberate through the editorial D.N.A. of CBS News. They also explore how the likely nine-figure deal could spark a fresh cycle of digital media M&A, and what it augurs for the Substack economy and creator economy writ large. Then Dylan and Julia decode the landmark Google antitrust ruling that effectively sanctifies the company’s “pay-to-play” strategy.

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Should ESPN Copy The New York Times?

Tue, 02 Sep 2025 17:39:00 -0000

Andrew Rosen, the former Paramount executive and founder of PARQOR, joins Dylan to break down the divergent digital strategies of The New York Times and ESPN. While the Times is precise and leans into product design tailored to specific consumer habits, ESPN continues to chase mass scale and broad reach. Rosen argues that ESPN’s model risks leaving engagement on the table—and makes the case for a more personalized, fan-first approach, à la the Times and The Athletic.

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The New A.I. Times & Portnoy vs. McAfee

Fri, 29 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander and Dylan reunite to hash out the week’s biggest media stories: The New York Times’ increasing investment in A.I.; how technology is undermining Disney magic—and what this portends for Bob Iger’s media strategy; the spectacle of the U.S. Open; the brewing Portnoy-McAfee rivalry, and much, much more.

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Can MSNBC Survive Without NBC?

Tue, 26 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Andy Lack, former chairman of NBC News and MSNBC, joins Dylan to pore over the myriad existential crises rattling television news, from CBS’s messy Trump settlement to the Versant spin that leaves MSNBC in the wilderness—and more. He also discusses his new act as a purveyor of local news startups across the Deep South, and his bid to build sustainable outlets at a time when local journalism is facing significant headwinds.

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The Sports Super App Era

Fri, 22 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander reunites with Dylan to break down ESPN’s long-awaited “super app,” which launched yesterday as the network’s boldest bid yet to remain the central hub for sports fans in an increasingly crowded rights landscape. They also touch on Fox’s new streaming gambit, Fox One—a leaner, no-frills play for cord-cutters—and what these parallel moves reveal about the shifting future of sports media.

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Mo News, Less Problems

Tue, 19 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Mosheh Oinounou joins Dylan to discuss his leap from legacy media to independent journalism with the founding of Mo News, which, despite early challenges, has grown to more than 12,000 paid subscribers and expanded into podcasts and newsletters. Oinounou also digs into the importance of A.I. in news customization, the potential for future collaborations between independent creators and legacy media, and the challenges at CBS News following the Paramount-Skydance merger.

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Media’s Free Agency Era

Fri, 15 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander swings by the pod to dig into the recent slew of licensing deals, à la ESPN-McAfee and Fox-Portnoy, which allow creators to maintain their independence while benefiting from additional exposure and revenue. This leads to a broader conversation about the challenges and opportunities for legacy media companies in adapting to the creator economy writ large.

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Fox Gets Ruthless

Tue, 12 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000

On this special episode, the Ruthless Podcast co-hosts, Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, John Ashbrook, and Shashank Tripathi, join Dylan to discuss the origins of their podcast—and more intriguingly, their new licensing deal with Fox News. They also dig into their unique approach to politics, the lack of conservative humor in the media landscape, the challenges faced by legacy media, and much more.

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Iger’s Endgame & Ellison’s Next Target

Fri, 08 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Dylan and Julia chew over the most pressing media news of the week: Disney’s dynamic NFL deal, the finalized Paramount-Skydance merger, the chatter surrounding David Ellison’s interest in Warner Bros., and much more.

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Katie Drummond’s New 'Wired' Order

Tue, 05 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Katie Drummond, global editorial director of Wired, joins the pod to reflect on her overhaul of the tech magazine—transforming it into a sharp-edged outlet covering the dystopian intersection of technology, politics, and culture. She discusses the significance of original reporting, Wired’s notable growth and ambitions growth strategy, A.I.’s threat to journalism, and much, much more.

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WSJ vs. The Times & Media After Murdoch

Fri, 01 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander rejoins Dylan to hash out the most combustible stories in media: The Wall Street Journal’s increasingly aggressive Trump-Epstein coverage—and Trump’s retaliatory lawsuit against Rupert Murdoch; how editor Emma Tucker is turning the Journal into a serious challenger to The New York Times; what the media world might look like in a post-Murdoch landscape; and much, much more.

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The Vox Media Doctrine

Tue, 29 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Vox Media C.E.O. Jim Bankoff joins Dylan for a deep dive into the company’s evolution following a recent investment that now values the business at $500 million, roughly half what it was worth a decade or so ago. They dig into Vox’s strategy around talent-driven content, the central role of their podcast network, the enduring value of their legacy print publications, how the company is adapting to industry headwinds like A.I., and much more.

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Bari Deal Heat & Trump v. Murdoch

Fri, 25 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander reunites with Dylan to chew over the media industry’s latest soap operas: South Park’s satirical take on Trump and Paramount, the unfolding legal battle between Trump and Rupert Murdoch, Bari Weiss’s $200 million valuation target for The Free Press, Bezos-CNBC acquisition murmurs, and much more.

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Substackonomics

Tue, 22 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Dylan sits down with an anonymous, plugged-in investment banker in the media space to peel back the curtain on Substack’s recent $100 million raise—and the staggering $1.1 billion valuation that came with it. They unpack what it means for the future of the platform, the broader implications of this investment on the media landscape, and whether it can lead to more sustainable business models and increased competition among platforms.

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Substack’s $1B Paper Trail & The Weiss Effect

Fri, 18 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander reunites with Dylan for a wide-ranging chat about the most pressing plotlines consuming the media industry: what Substack’s recent $1.1 billion evaluation portends for the creator economy writ large; Apple’s $150 million offer for F1 and the streamer’s broader sports media ambitions; David Ellison's courtship to bring Bari Weiss to Skydance; and much, much more.

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F1’s Apple Pie & ESPN’s Austerity Era

Tue, 15 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000

John Ourand joins Dylan to dissect Apple’s $150 million bid for F1’s U.S. media rights—and what it reveals about the company’s growing ambitions in live sports. They also examine why ESPN, facing a new era of financial restraint, chose not to compete, and what that decision portends for the broader sports rights arms race.

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Google’s Kill Switch & Sun Valley Signals

Fri, 11 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander reunites with Dylan to delve into how A.I. services like ChatGPT are cutting into Google’s search market share—and how Google’s new A.I. tools may be cannibalizing its own business. They also discuss the annual Allen & Co. conference, dig into the biggest storylines stemming from the Sun Valley Lodge this year, and much, much more.

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Paramount’s Settlement Math & Murdoch’s Trump-Era Journal

Tue, 08 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Wall Street Journal’s Josh Dawsey joins Dylan to discuss how the recent $16 million settlement between Trump and Paramount came to fruition—a far cry from Trump’s initial demand of $100 million. They also dig into Dawsey’s new book on the 2024 election, the Democrats’ strategic malaise, and why the Journal is well-positioned for this political moment.

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The Creator Economy's Indie Illusion

Fri, 04 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander rejoins Dylan to pick up where they left off on Tuesday, shifting the focus to legacy media’s slow unraveling and the uphill climb of the creator economy in the news space. They dig into the harsh realities facing independent journalists and legacy media refugees attempting to build sustainable businesses without institutional backing—and why, for most, true scale remains out of reach.

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YouTube’s Niche Trap & A.I. Copyright Complexifiers

Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander reunites with Dylan to address a handful of media industry questions and provocations: why YouTube’s success with niche content doesn’t mean Netflix should necessarily follow suit, how the entertainment pendulum is swinging back toward quality over quantity, and what a bombshell A.I. ruling means for content creators and copyright law.

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Front Office Sports 101

Fri, 27 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Adam White, founder and C.E.O. of Front Office Sports, joins Dylan to recount how he transformed a college class project into a fast-growing, multi-platform media company—now majority-owned by RedBird. Adam explains the company’s editorial thesis, how they stay relevant in an oversaturated sports media landscape, and why he’s betting big on their newly launched Front Office Sports Studios, a long-form content arm focused on producing films and documentaries.

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Oliver Darcy’s Status Report

Tue, 24 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Oliver Darcy, founder of Status, joins Dylan to reflect on the highs and hurdles of launching his own media venture. He discusses the challenges of building a sustainable business without external capital, the pressure to deliver distinctive reporting, the looming influence of A.I., the enduring value of editorial integrity—and much more.

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How YouTube Ate the Media

Fri, 20 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000

In a special anniversary episode, Dylan and Julia ponder how YouTube has totally transformed the media business over the last 20 years: the proliferation of the creator economy, the amateurization of news, and whether Jake and Anderson should grab a microphone and ditch the suit.

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Can Local Media Actually Be… Saved?

Tue, 17 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Steve Grove, the new-ish C.E.O. of The Minnesota Star Tribune, joins Dylan for a rollicking conversation about the existential threats facing local journalism—and the strategies he’s deploying to combat them. Grove, the former director of Google’s News Lab, gets into the weeds of why homepage traffic still matters, how he’s targeting affinity groups, the surprising value of high school sports coverage, and much more.

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WBD Divorce Notes & VF Gets Vogue’d

Fri, 13 Jun 2025 18:13:00 -0000

Dylan and Julia weigh into the chaos surrounding WBD’s breakup and what it means for HBO and CNN as the company’s biggest brands go separate ways. They also discuss Apple’s underwhelming developers conference earlier this week, and how Google’s A.I. “overviews” are bleeding the media business. Then Lauren Sherman swings by to chat about Anna Wintour appointing one of her deputies to run Vanity Fair—and whether he (or anyone) can turn things around.

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Inside ‘Original Sin’

Tue, 10 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Axios’s Alex Thompson joins Dylan for a deep dive into ‘Original Sin,’ the Biden exposé he co-authored with CNN’s Jake Tapper. They discuss the role and responsibility of journalists in today’s media climate, and particularly, the media’s culpability in allegedly covering up Biden’s cognitive decline while he was in the White House. They also address Karine Jean-Pierre's pivot to independence, the broader issues within the Democratic Party, and more.

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Media’s A.I. Spring

Fri, 06 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander reunites with Dylan to unpack the shifting logic behind sports streaming deals—and how platforms are rethinking how to value audience engagement and viewership. They also discuss how generative A.I. is poised to disrupt the advertising business and the unexpected opportunities it could create.

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The Zaz Report

Tue, 03 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Dylan welcomes his Puck partner Bill Cohan to discuss the latest revelations at Warner Bros. Discovery, which just suffered a credit downgrade. Is Zaz about to spin his cable assets? Can he even afford to at this point?

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Disney’s Pre-K Anxieties & A YouTube Talent War

Fri, 30 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander reunites with Dylan to break down a pair of media industry talking points: whether Disney’s strategic acquisition of ‘Cocomelon’ can help the business reclaim its foothold in the kids content space, and what YouTube’s brazen poaching of ESPN’s Justin Connolly signals about its ambitions in the live sports arena.

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The Apple of MLB’s Eye

Tue, 27 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000

On this special crossover episode with The Powers That Be, Jon Kelly joins Dylan to unravel the plot twists in Rob Manfred’s ongoing MLB’s media rights negotiations, highlighting their potential deals with NBC and Apple. Then they dive into the firestorm ignited by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson’s new book, ‘Original Sin’—and the fractures it’s revealing within the Democratic Party.

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Sam Altman’s $6.5 Billion Bet

Fri, 23 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander returns to discuss OpenAI joining forces with Jony Ive, the legendary iPhone designer, to build an entirely new, A.I.-powered device category. Then Julia and Dylan exchange notes about ESPN’s monumental pivot from a cable TV brand into a full-fledged app and direct-to-consumer platform.

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Jimmy Pitaro’s New ESPN

Tue, 20 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000

ESPN chairman Jimmy Pitaro joins Dylan for a deep dive into ESPN’s digital transformation as they prepare to launch their highly anticipated D.T.C. product this fall, named… ESPN. Pitaro unpacks the marketing strategy behind the new app, ESPN’s rights portfolio, the state of their MLB negotiations, the integration of sports betting, and much more.

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Why Fox Won’t Fade

Fri, 16 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Jeff Collins, Fox’s head of advertising sales, joins Dylan to discuss the network’s strategic focus on live sports and news, which has led to significant growth despite the broader decline across the cable industry. Jeff breaks down how Fox’s diverse portfolio is fueling ratings and advertiser demand, and also explains why upfronts remain a crucial moment for the business.

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Upfronts Dish: NBC’s NBA Fantasy & The Fox News Bonanza

Tue, 13 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander reunites with Dylan to explore the key themes emerging from this week’s upfronts in New York, from NBC’s live sports strategy to David Zaslav’s expected decision to spin off WBD’s decaying linear assets. They also consider Fox News’s status as the lone thriving cable news business, and why the NBA might be the best-positioned sports league for the next era of media.

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Gerry Baker’s Open Journal

Fri, 09 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Gerard Baker, former editor-in-chief of The Wall Street Journal, joins Dylan to explore the Journal’s critical approach to Trump’s economic and foreign policies—and its unique position as a conservative-leaning publication actually willing to challenge him. Gerard also reflects on the Journal’s influence in this political moment, its editorial stance within the Murdoch media empire, and the strength of the American brand in today’s volatile geopolitical landscape.

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Introducing: Aspire with Emma Grede

Wed, 07 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Build the life of your dreams and learn from the world’s most successful people.

Emma Grede, one of America’s richest self-made women - wants you to make the most of your life. On ‘Aspire with Emma Grede', learn through thought-provoking conversations with some of the most successful and smartest minds on the planet.

Each episode will unpack their habits, philosophy and strategies, covering career advice, well-being, psychology and of course how to win in business. The show offers personal stories, data-driven advice, real-world strategies, and the experience you need, to turn your dreams into reality.

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The Bravo-Industrial Complex

Tue, 06 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander is back on the pod to discuss the “Bravo-fication” of the internet—where multi-platform content ignites a 24/7 media cycle, endless engagement loops, and new lanes for monetization. Julia also digs into how platforms like LinkedIn and Substack can be leveraged for content distribution; the influence of niche communities in media, the impact of tentpole events on media consumption, and so much more.

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‘60 Minutes’ to Midnight

Fri, 02 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander rejoins Dylan to chew over all the challenges facing legacy media brands, like CBS News, in the twilight of the cable TV era. They also dive into the latest twists in the ‘60 Minutes’ saga, as Paramount’s billionaire owner, Shari Redstone—under crippling pressure to close the Skydance deal—has leaned on the network’s prestige newsmagazine to go easy on Trump.

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Graydon Carter’s Golden Years

Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000

The one and only Graydon Carter, architect of Vanity Fair’s golden era, joins Dylan for a candid conversation about the magazine industry's past, present, and future. Fresh off the release of his new book, ‘When the Going Was Good,’ Carter reflects on his legendary tenure with VF, dissects the publication’s decline after his departure, and grapples with the broader headwinds facing today’s media industry writ large. He also offers reasons for optimism, his vision for his digital-forward venture Air Mail, and much more.

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Google’s D.O.J. Showdown & YouTube-NFL Murmurs

Fri, 25 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander returns to The Grill Room to chart the media industry’s biggest flashpoints: the D.O.J.’s landmark-in-the-making legal battle against Google and the implications for its ad-tech empire; the tantalizing potential of a YouTube–NFL alliance; and Brendan Carr’s escalating campaign against the media.

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Jen Psaki in Her Prime Time

Tue, 22 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000

MSNBC’s Jen Psaki joins Dylan for a candid convo about her next chapter: hosting the network’s forthcoming nightly show. With today’s political discourse more combustible than ever, Psaki reflects on how she’s drawing from her tenure as White House press secretary to navigate a political-media ecosystem in overdrive. She also dishes on what it takes to cut through the noise in today’s oversaturated landscape—and why thriving in the chaos means doing everything, everywhere, all at once.

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Zuck’s Trump Trial & F1 Deal Chatter

Fri, 18 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander reunites with Dylan for a deep dive into the media industry’s most compelling flashpoints: Formula One’s fantasy of a $180 million rights deal, the growing anxiety around non-football sports rights, Mark Zuckerberg’s F.T.C. showdown, and more. As Julia explains, with audience engagement plateauing, streaming giants are under pressure to reinvent the playbook—because where engagement lags, monetization follows.

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Who's Afraid of Michael Wolff

Tue, 15 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000

The inimitable Michael Wolff stops by The Grill Room to discuss his new profile in New York magazine of Warner Bros. Discovery C.E.O. David Zaslav. Wolff digs into his head-spinning financial incentives, how Zaz became an “accidental media mogul,” and the challenges WBD faces from tech giants like Amazon and Netflix. Then they speculate on the future of the media businesses and CNN’s place in the shifting landscape.

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MrBeast Recession Signals & MLB Ratings Moneyball

Fri, 11 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Puck’s resident streaming guru Julia Alexander swings by the pod to discuss a handful of hot-button media topics: the MLB’s crafty use of the “torpedo bat” to boost ratings, the challenges and opportunities for CNBC in the looming SpinCo era, and the early signs of stagnation in the creator economy.

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C.E.O.s and Market Woes

Tue, 08 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Bill Cohan stops by the Grill Room to diagnose the anxiety plaguing media executives as MAGA’s economic “detox” takes hold. Bill and Dylan discuss the $11 trillion market loss since the election, the global headwinds to corporate earnings, and whether consumers are due for another bout of inflation—a perfect storm that is tickling the media industry’s 2008 era PTSD.

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Zuck’s UFC Move & Trump Ad Market Shock

Fri, 04 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Julia Alexander joins Dylan for a wide-ranging symposium on the state of the media industry: the future of TikTok, Meta’s UFC play, Radhika Jones’ exit from Vanity Fair, the impact of A.I., and how Trump’s global trade war is ricocheting through the advertising market.

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The Washington Media Whisper Network

Tue, 01 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Jon Kelly swings by The Grill Room to chronicle the current media moment in Washington D.C.--the evolving major players, the business models, and the after hours schmoozing that lubricates the whole town.

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The Atlantic’s Goldberg Mine

Fri, 28 Mar 2025 12:24:00 -0000

In this special crossover episode with The Powers That Be, Dylan connects with Peter Hamby to discuss the chatter swirling around The Atlantic, which made headlines this week after E.I.C. Jeffrey Goldberg revealed that he was added to a group chat filled with high-ranking national security officials discussing war plans. They discuss why the imbroglio has boosted the magazine’s reputation among the political and media elite, before turning to what CNN’s latest hires reveal about Mark Thompson’s digital transformation master plan.

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The YouTube Half Nelson

Tue, 25 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Puck’s streaming guru Julia Alexander joins Dylan for a high-level conversation about YouTube’s stranglehold on the news industry—and the seismic shift it’s triggering. Julia explains how digital creators, news influencers, and opinion leaders across YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram are rewriting the playbook, forcing legacy media giants to either adapt or risk irrelevance in a world where independent voices are driving the narrative.

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Making a Racquet

Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:21:00 -0000

Caitlin Thompson, founder of ‘Racquet,’ joins Dylan for a deep dive into her mission to make tennis more vibrant and accessible through her quarterly magazine, blending top-tier journalism, tennis fashion, travel, and escapism—and offering a refreshing contrast to the sport’s corporatized past. Caitlin also weighs into the evolving media landscape, underscoring the need of mission-driven storytelling to elevate the sport.

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A Lessin in Media

Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Jessica Lessin, founder and C.E.O. of The Information, joins Dylan for a candid conversation about how The Information has thrived and remained profitable after 11 years, why deep expertise and loyal audiences are more important than chasing scale, and her approach to backing sharp-minded entrepreneurs through recent investments in Semafor, The Ankler, and others. Jessica also weighs in on how Silicon Valley’s power players are recalibrating in the era of Trump 2.0.

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Emma

Fri, 14 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Beloved yet controversial Wall Street Journal top editor Emma Tucker joins Dylan for a candid discussion about evolving the historic business, change management, tough choices, and the future of the news media business.

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It’s The Economist, Stupid

Tue, 11 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0000

Zanny Minton Beddoes, the editor-in-chief of The Economist, joins Dylan for an inside look at the publication’s unusual position within the media firmament, and how the ultimate business traveler rag is refreshing itself for the digital first era: still all-in on the virtues of classical liberalism, but with a dose of A.I. powering its expanding global footprint. Plus, Beddoes and Dylan dig into the magazine’s unwavering editorial independence at a time when independent media is under attack.

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White House Press Pool Kremlinology

Fri, 07 Mar 2025 16:15:00 -0000

‘The New York Times’ Peter Baker joins Dylan to dissect the fraught relationship between the Trump White House and the press, from expelling the Associated Press to handpicking the press pool—tactics he likens to historical press suppression in Russia. They also weigh in on the changes at ‘The Washington Post’ under Jeff Bezos, and the fight to maintain journalistic integrity in an increasingly politically charged environment.

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Zaz's Cablenomics

Tue, 04 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Bill Cohan joins Dylan to dissect the three-year evolution of Warner Bros. Discovery since David Zaslav’s bold 2022 merger of WarnerMedia and Discovery. He breaks down W.B.D.’s rising streaming profits, declining linear TV business, and its $19 billion debt reduction—bringing the company closer to a credit upgrade. With speculation swirling about a potential merger with NBCUniversal or Comcast’s SpinCo, Bill examines what’s next for W.B.D., the strategic loss of NBA rights, and the broader ripple effects on networks like CNN and the media landscape writ large.

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Oppenheim’s Opus

Fri, 28 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Former NBC News president Noah Oppenheim sits down with Dylan for a candid, no-holds-barred conversation on the media industry’s uncertain future. He dives into the chaos engulfing MSNBC, shares his unfiltered take on SpinCo, and offers his outlook on the fate of NBC News. Finally, he reveals how he helped bring Netflix’s hit-series ‘Zero Day’ to life.

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30 Rock’s Kutler Era

Tue, 25 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Axios’s Sara Fischer joins Dylan to scrutinize the dawn of MSNBC’s Rebecca Kutler era, where a wave of personnel and talent changes at 30 Rock aims to steady the embattled legacy mediaco. Sara also offers her assessment of the state of the broadcast news industry and considers whether it has any future in the streaming age.

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A White House Media War

Fri, 21 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Eriq Gardner joins Dylan to dissect the wave of MAGA-driven lawsuits targeting Trump’s media adversaries. Eriq highlights casino magnate Steve Wynn’s efforts to revive his 2018 defamation suit against the Associated Press, which he hopes is elevated to the Supreme Court, potentially setting the stage for a SCOTUS showdown that could challenge the landmark ‘Times v. Sullivan’ ruling. The duo debate whether a better legal framework exists and suggest how media organizations can navigate these shifting legal battlegrounds.

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Troy Young's A.I. Love Language

Tue, 18 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Former Hearst Magazines president Troy Young rejoins Dylan for a deep dive into the seismic impact of A.I. on media. He breaks down how A.I. has accelerated the decline of certain media businesses, stresses the urgent need for stronger I.P. protections, and unpacks the high-stakes challenges—and untapped opportunities—legacy brands face in an A.I.-driven future.

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Bonus Episode: Media on the Brink

Mon, 17 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000

In this exclusive bonus episode of The Grill Room, Jon Kelly joins Dylan to tackle a handful of hot button topics shaping the media industry: the hunger screams at CBS News, the baffling corporate embrace of Trump 2.0., and Fox News’s continued march into mainstream. They also discuss how storied print publications like ‘The Atlantic’ and ‘The New Yorker’ can future proof their businesses in the age of A.I.

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Emily Sundberg's Indie Media Playbook

Fri, 14 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Emily Sundberg, creator of Feed Me, joins Dylan for an in-depth look at her meteoric rise as an independent Substacker. Having amassed 60,000 subscribers—and counting—Emily shares how authenticity, adaptability, and audience engagement have fueled her success. She also discusses self-funding her company without outside financing, the potential risks of a fully decentralized media landscape, and her plans to expand beyond Substack while leveraging her growing platform.

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David Remnick on The New Yorker's Centennial

Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000

'The New Yorker' editor David Remnick joins Dylan to reflect on his nearly three-decade tenure as the magazine marks its 100th anniversary. He delves into the evolution of the magazine industry over the years, an inside look at sustaining The New Yorker’s unparalleled loyal subscriber base, and how the publication has uniquely blended serious journalism with humor. David also touches on the challenges of navigating the advent of A.I., and how the company is planning for the future

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The Atlantic's A.I. Survival Kit

Fri, 07 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000

The Atlantic’s C.E.O. Nick Thompson joins Dylan for a candid conversation about the existential challenges of leading a media company, centered around the looming threats and opportunities of A.I. Nick envisions a media ecosystem where their web presence goes away, and lays out his growth strategy to mitigate the concerns: building the strongest possible direct relationships with readers while cutting out reliance on tech platforms altogether.

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Chuck Todd Unplugged

Tue, 04 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000

NBC News vet and former Meet the Press anchor Chuck Todd joins Dylan for a candid conversation about his departure from the network after nearly two decades. He reflects on the decline of media trust, the urgent need to revitalize local journalism, and how the internet has reshaped news consumption. Chuck also scrutinizes the nationalization of politics before the duo switch gears to explore the potential for podcasts to evolve into dynamic, multi-hour programming, à la ESPN’s signature daytime shows.

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Amusing Ourselves to Death

Fri, 31 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000

MSNBC’s Chris Hayes joins Dylan for a thrilling and sobering deep dive into how social media and smartphones hijacked our brains; how attention became the single most powerful currency in the political economy; and why Donald Trump is singularly effective at commanding it.

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The NFL's Chief Concern

Tue, 28 Jan 2025 16:47:56 -0000

John Ourand joins Dylan for an insider’s look at how the NFL is preparing for the upcoming Super Bowl in New Orleans—and whether the league is feeling the effects of small-market Chiefs fatigue. The duo also delve into the crucial role of live sports rights in keeping media businesses afloat, and explore how streaming giants like Amazon and Netflix are reshaping the future of sports broadcasting.

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Can CNN Survive the Death of TV?

Fri, 24 Jan 2025 16:51:37 -0000

The New York Times’ Ben Mullin joins Dylan for a deep dive into Mark Thompson’s attempt to transform CNN from a cable television network into a digital and streaming juggernaut. After a round of mass layoffs, the duo contemplate whether CNN as a digital-first enterprise can maintain the network’s influence in a post-linear landscape, and whether Thompson actually has a plan to get there.

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Inside the L.A. Firestorm

Fri, 17 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000

NBC News correspondent Jacob Soboroff joins Dylan to share his unique experience covering the devastating Los Angeles fires, which destroyed his childhood home in Pacific Palisades. Then, as Trump’s inauguration looms with ambitious deportation plans, Jacob provides an inside look at his extensive reporting on immigration at the border.

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Elon’s Biographer Predicts the Future

Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Ashlee Vance, the former Bloomberg tech reporter and Musk confidant, joins Dylan to discuss his high-risk, high-reward leap into launching his new company, Core Memory, a sci-tech media startup. After a decade-plus entrenched in the world of legacy media, Ashlee offers a glimpse into how he’s approaching his new business venture and leveraging his unique access to cutting-edge technology. Then he and Dylan delve into the transformative potential of A.I. and the interplay between Silicon Valley and Donald Trump.

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CNN's Digital Dreams & WSJ Hunting Season

Fri, 10 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Jon Kelly joins Dylan to ruminate on a handful of developments across the media landscape: Will Lewis’s fantasy subscriber number for The Washington Post; Emma Tucker’s stalwart leadership at The Wall Street Journal; the latest on Mark Thompson’s CNN digital transformation strategy; and the impending A.I. newsroom revolution.

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Is Netflix the New ESPN?

Tue, 07 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Ian Orefice, founder of EverWonder Studio and former TIME Studios president, joins Dylan to dig into how live sports has become the next front in the streaming wars. Then they kibitz about EverWonder’s role in producing the record-breaking Netflix Christmas NFL games and whether the Tyson vs. Paul fight represents the future of sports media rights battles to come.

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Trump Media Anxiety & The WaPo Exodus

Fri, 03 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000

Semafor co-founder and former BuzzFeed E.I.C. Ben Smith joins Dylan to survey the media landscape heading into 2025. They discuss how news organizations are bracing for the impact of Trump’s return to the Oval, delve into the recent wave of departures at The Washington Post, unpack a few of Semafor’s strategic initiatives, and explore the rising influence of newsletters in shaping media distribution.

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Troy Story 2

Tue, 31 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Former Hearst Magazine president Troy Young reunites with Dylan to discuss what lies ahead for the media industry as we turn our calendars to 2025. In particular, they home in on the significant role that A.I. will play in transforming how news is consumed and distributed—and the need for media companies to adapt to new consumer behaviors in order to stay relevant.

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Media’s Biggest Winners & Losers of 2024

Fri, 27 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Green room machine John Heilemann joins Dylan to look back on this year in media: the procession of entertainment and tech C.E.O.s kissing Trump’s ring; the headwinds facing Jeff Bezos at The Washington Post; the rise of Elon and twisted power of X; the most significant media macro trends; the industry’s biggest winners and three sorriest losers; and why 2024 was the year of the podcast in politics.

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Axelrod on the Art of the Pod

Tue, 24 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Famed Democratic strategist and CNN senior political commentator David Axelrod joins Dylan for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about podcasting. He reflects on being an early mover in the podcasting space, the art of podcasting, the influence that podcasting has had on our politics and culture, the future of the political-media landscape in the age of Elon, and much more.

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The WaPo National Nightmare Ends

Fri, 20 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Jon Kelly joins Dylan to discuss Matt Murray’s surprising ascent to the WaPo executive editor job. And then Eriq Gardner swings by to weigh in on Bob Iger’s Trump settlement calculus.

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Why Did ABC News Fold to Trump?

Tue, 17 Dec 2024 16:37:00 -0000

Legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin joins Dylan to scrutinize ABC News’ $15M settlement with Trump, which has everyone in the political-media industry abuzz about the signal this sends to MAGA and its adversaries. While many perceived this to be a very winnable case for ABC News, their striking decision to settle for such a high price tag has led to a myriad of questions surrounding the media climate as we head into Trump 2.0.

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WBD’s New Zazonomics

Fri, 13 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Bill Cohan joins Dylan to dissect the stark financial calculus behind David Zaslav’s decision to separate Warner Bros. Discovery’s growth assets from its declining linear TV networks—a move that’s made Wall Street practically euphoric. Then they dive into Zaz’s ultimate endgame: to build, to sell, or to spin?

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Barry and The Beast

Tue, 10 Dec 2024 10:17:18 -0000

Legendary media mogul and IAC chairman Barry Diller joins Dylan for a lively discussion on the shifting landscape of the media industry: Will Comcast’s spun-off cable assets thrive as a reimagined bundle or end up being sold to private equity? Do Hollywood heavyweights need greater scale to remain competitive? Can The Daily Beast transform into a powerhouse business? Then they dig into the future of the Democratic Party and Barry’s reasons for optimism in the new era of Trump and Elon.

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Troy Story

Fri, 06 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Former Hearst Magazines president Troy Young connects with Dylan to probe what went wrong at The Washington Post and CNN, and whether Will Lewis and Mark Thompson can fix their respective companies before the media business changes again.

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What the Hell Happened to CNN+?

Tue, 03 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Former top CNN executive Andrew Morse joins Dylan to discuss his new career as C.E.O. of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, where he’s applying the old NYT digital innovation playbook at the local level. Then they dig into his clashes with David Zaslav and Chris Licht, the unceremonious cancellation of CNN+, and the troubles afflicting the media landscape writ large.

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New Right Media’s Billion-Dollar Play

Fri, 29 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Jeremy Boreing, co-founder of the conservative media network The Daily Wire, joins Dylan to explore the surging impact of alternative media on modern politics and deliver his candid critique of legacy media's failures. Then he shares insights into the strategies driving his company’s accelerated growth and discusses what lies ahead as The Daily Wire closes in on surpassing $200 million in revenue.

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Punchbowl’s Big Fish

Tue, 26 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Punchbowl co-founders Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer join Dylan to discuss their vertiginous ascent from Politico all-stars to building a veritable Playbook rival. They dive into Punchbowl’s origin story, their tunnel-vision focus on Capitol Hill, the untapped potential of niche subscription markets, experimenting with A.I., and much more.

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MSNBC in Exile

Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Jon Kelly joins Dylan to discuss the cascading effects of Brian Roberts’ monumental decision to spin off NBCUniversal’s declining cable assets. Then they get into Rachel Maddow’s $125 million contract renegotiation and how MSNBC survives without the NBC mothership.

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Alison Roman Chops It Up

Tue, 19 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000

It’s a food media-themed doubleheader in The Grill Room! First, Dylan convenes with The Infatuation C.E.O. Paul Needham, who discusses the economics of his restaurant recommendation empire. Then acclaimed food writer and entrepreneur Alison Roman stops by to discuss her journey from legacy media to entrepreneurship and why her defenestration from The New York Times turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

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Disney Succession Tea Leaves

Fri, 15 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000

CNBC's Alex Sherman joins Dylan for the ultimate dish-fest across a series of juicy and mission-critical topics--Disney succession tea leaves, Dana Walden versus the outsiders, John Malone's Maffei moves, NBC's "Roundball Rock" deal blockers, Comcast's cable trial balloon, and much more.

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Legacy Media's Last Stand

Tue, 12 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Dylan is joined by Axios co-founder Jim VandeHei for a wide-ranging discussion about the most pressing media storylines following Trump’s victory: Musk’s ascension and the future of X, the balkanized media landscape, the Dems’ Joe Rogan problem, the existential challenges facing The Washington Post and CNN, and much, much more.

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The Reverse Trump Bump

Fri, 08 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Dylan is joined by veteran Republican strategist and never-Trump media darling Tim Miller for an incisive post-election postmortem. Together, they dissect how the election unfolded, examine the failures of Democrats and the media to anticipate this new reality, and discuss what lies ahead for the political-media landscape.

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When Life Gives You Lemon…

Tue, 05 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000

Ex-CNN host Don Lemon joins Dylan in The Grill Room to reveal what he’s learned about the electorate from his tour of America’s battleground states. Then they trade war stories about Don’s meteoric rise during the Trump years, his dramatic defenestration from CNN, and his second-act hustle in the post-cable era.

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New York Media's State of Mind

Fri, 01 Nov 2024 07:00:00 -0000

Media reporter Charlotte Klein joins Dylan for a candid conversation about her recently published Power Issue, New York's annual edition highlighting the under-the-radar people shaping the media capital of the world. Then they trade notes on the recurring themes underlying the industry: CNN’s subscription-based business model, CBS News’ D.E.I. shortcomings, WaPo’s reneged Kamala endorsement, whether local news can survive, and much more.

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Brian Williams: One Night Only!

Tue, 29 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0000

Legendary newsman Brian Williams and his longtime executive producer Jonathan Wald join Dylan to dish about their new election night special for Amazon, the glory days of TV news, its current belt-tightened economics, his own time in the wilderness, why he didn’t take the CBS job, and why he decided to get the band back together for one evening—and what it might portend.

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Introducing: The Grill Room, with Dylan Byers

Tue, 22 Oct 2024 20:35:00 -0000

Finally, a media podcast about what’s actually happening in the media—not the over-sanitized, legal-and-standards-approved version you read online. Every Tuesday and Friday, join Dylan Byers, Puck’s veteran media reporter, as he sits down with television personalities, moguls, political pundits and industry executives for raw, honest, sometimes salacious conversations about the business of media and its biggest egos. “The Grill Room,” an homage to the exclusive dining room within The Four Seasons where a generation of media executives consummated deals and traded gossip, is produced in partnership with Audacy Podcasts, launching October 29.

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