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      <title>What $100M E-Commerce Brands Know That The Others Don’t — Nik Sharma</title>
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Stuck between $2M and $30M and asking yourself, "What are the big brands doing that I'm not?"



Nik Sharma worked with $100M brands like True Classic, Jolie and Eight Sleep, and he knows why most brands stall before they ever get close. In this episode, he breaks down exactly what the brands that speed-run to $100M do differently and the moves you can make to get unstuck.



Topics discussed:



00:00 - Introduction

00:29 - What makes a brand reach $100M in e-commerce

04:15 - Eight Sleep case study: how they got so big

07:58 - Why second-time founders hit $100M faster

12:17 - Budgeting for marketing you can’t track

22:09 - Top vs. bottom of funnel marketing: what most brands get wrong

24:19 - Creating effective advertorials

29:04 - Why some successful brands stall before $100M

43:04 - Five marketing channels that work in e-commerce

46:15 - How to leverage AI without getting distracted

58:53 - Shiny object syndrome and your role as founder

01:01:19 - How to start a new brand with $50,000

01:09:24 - The one factor that differentiates $100M brands

01:13:31 - What most founders don’t know about scaling



Learn more about our sponsors:

https://www.attentive.com/

https://fuego.io/

https://www.socialsnowball.io/

https://redo.com/



🔗 CONNECT WITH NIK SHARMA:

https://www.nik.co/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrniksharma/

https://x.com/mrsharma



🔗 CONNECT WITH JOHN:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle



🔗 CONNECT WITH BART :

https://szaniewski.com/

https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>Book a call with John: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/squeeze-page1712742970440



Stuck between $2M and $30M and asking yourself, "What are the big brands doing that I'm not?"



Nik Sharma worked with $100M brands like True Classic, Jolie and Eight Sleep, and he knows why most brands stall before they ever get close. In this episode, he breaks down exactly what the brands that speed-run to $100M do differently and the moves you can make to get unstuck.



Topics discussed:



00:00 - Introduction

00:29 - What makes a brand reach $100M in e-commerce

04:15 - Eight Sleep case study: how they got so big

07:58 - Why second-time founders hit $100M faster

12:17 - Budgeting for marketing you can’t track

22:09 - Top vs. bottom of funnel marketing: what most brands get wrong

24:19 - Creating effective advertorials

29:04 - Why some successful brands stall before $100M

43:04 - Five marketing channels that work in e-commerce

46:15 - How to leverage AI without getting distracted

58:53 - Shiny object syndrome and your role as founder

01:01:19 - How to start a new brand with $50,000

01:09:24 - The one factor that differentiates $100M brands

01:13:31 - What most founders don’t know about scaling



Learn more about our sponsors:

https://www.attentive.com/

https://fuego.io/

https://www.socialsnowball.io/

https://redo.com/



🔗 CONNECT WITH NIK SHARMA:

https://www.nik.co/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrniksharma/

https://x.com/mrsharma



🔗 CONNECT WITH JOHN:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle



🔗 CONNECT WITH BART :

https://szaniewski.com/

https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</itunes:summary>
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<p><br></p>
<p>Stuck between $2M and $30M and asking yourself, "What are the big brands doing that I'm not?"</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Nik Sharma worked with $100M brands like True Classic, Jolie and Eight Sleep, and he knows why most brands stall before they ever get close. In this episode, he breaks down exactly what the brands that speed-run to $100M do differently and the moves you can make to get unstuck.</p>
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<p>Topics discussed:</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>00:00 - Introduction</p>
<p>00:29 - What makes a brand reach $100M in e-commerce</p>
<p>04:15 - Eight Sleep case study: how they got so big</p>
<p>07:58 - Why second-time founders hit $100M faster</p>
<p>12:17 - Budgeting for marketing you can’t track</p>
<p>22:09 - Top vs. bottom of funnel marketing: what most brands get wrong</p>
<p>24:19 - Creating effective advertorials</p>
<p>29:04 - Why some successful brands stall before $100M</p>
<p>43:04 - Five marketing channels that work in e-commerce</p>
<p>46:15 - How to leverage AI without getting distracted</p>
<p>58:53 - Shiny object syndrome and your role as founder</p>
<p>01:01:19 - How to start a new brand with $50,000</p>
<p>01:09:24 - The one factor that differentiates $100M brands</p>
<p>01:13:31 - What most founders don’t know about scaling</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Learn more about our sponsors:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.attentive.com/"><u>https://www.attentive.com/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://fuego.io/"><u>https://fuego.io/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.socialsnowball.io/"><u>https://www.socialsnowball.io/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://redo.com/"><u>https://redo.com/</u></a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>🔗 CONNECT WITH NIK SHARMA:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.nik.co/"><u>https://www.nik.co/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrniksharma/"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrniksharma/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://x.com/mrsharma"><u>https://x.com/mrsharma</u></a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>🔗 CONNECT WITH JOHN:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle"><u>https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle</u></a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>🔗 CONNECT WITH BART :</p>
<p><a href="https://szaniewski.com/"><u>https://szaniewski.com/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/theszef/"><u>https://www.instagram.com/theszef/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</u></a></p>]]>
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      <title>How to Build a Personal Brand That Actually Sells Product (For E-Commerce Founders) — Kev Michael</title>
      <description>Book a call with John: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/squeeze-page1712742970440



You're not an influencer. You're not famous. You started a business to sell a product. So how does a personal brand actually help you?



In this episode, podcast growth expert Kev Michael breaks down exactly how a personal brand drives sales without turning you into a full-time content creator. You'll learn the #1 mistake e-commerce founders make when building a personal brand, the content that outperforms almost all other ads, and the paid strategy most brands are still wasting money on.



Stay for the live workshop of real e-commerce brands to see step-by-step how to build show concepts from scratch no matter what you sell.



Topics discussed:



00:00 - Introduction

01:44 - What most founders get wrong about “personal brand”

07:22 - Can you build a YouTube channel or podcast with a small team?

08:13 - The paid ad strategy that actually works

13:20 - The ROI of podcasting and finding your show's premise

18:45 - How to build your from scratch (a real-time case study)

31:39 - How to stand apart from other channels33:30 - Why it's hard for some brands to find their audience

42:35 - Workshopping the DadGang podcast

51:51 - Do you need to publish weekly?

59:41 - The 3 waves of podcasting ROI

01:02:42 - When to give up or change your strategy



Learn more about our sponsors:

https://www.attentive.com/

https://fuego.io/

https://www.socialsnowball.io/

https://redo.com/



🔗 CONNECT WITH JOHN:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle



🔗 CONNECT WITH BART :

https://szaniewski.com/

https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2026 14:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Book a call with John: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/squeeze-page1712742970440



You're not an influencer. You're not famous. You started a business to sell a product. So how does a personal brand actually help you?



In this episode, podcast growth expert Kev Michael breaks down exactly how a personal brand drives sales without turning you into a full-time content creator. You'll learn the #1 mistake e-commerce founders make when building a personal brand, the content that outperforms almost all other ads, and the paid strategy most brands are still wasting money on.



Stay for the live workshop of real e-commerce brands to see step-by-step how to build show concepts from scratch no matter what you sell.



Topics discussed:



00:00 - Introduction

01:44 - What most founders get wrong about “personal brand”

07:22 - Can you build a YouTube channel or podcast with a small team?

08:13 - The paid ad strategy that actually works

13:20 - The ROI of podcasting and finding your show's premise

18:45 - How to build your from scratch (a real-time case study)

31:39 - How to stand apart from other channels33:30 - Why it's hard for some brands to find their audience

42:35 - Workshopping the DadGang podcast

51:51 - Do you need to publish weekly?

59:41 - The 3 waves of podcasting ROI

01:02:42 - When to give up or change your strategy



Learn more about our sponsors:

https://www.attentive.com/

https://fuego.io/

https://www.socialsnowball.io/

https://redo.com/



🔗 CONNECT WITH JOHN:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle



🔗 CONNECT WITH BART :

https://szaniewski.com/

https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Book a call with John: <a href="https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/squeeze-page1712742970440"><u>https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/squeeze-page1712742970440</u></a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>You're not an influencer. You're not famous. You started a business to sell a product. So how does a personal brand actually help you?</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>In this episode, podcast growth expert Kev Michael breaks down exactly how a personal brand drives sales without turning you into a full-time content creator. You'll learn the #1 mistake e-commerce founders make when building a personal brand, the content that outperforms almost all other ads, and the paid strategy most brands are still wasting money on.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Stay for the live workshop of real e-commerce brands to see step-by-step how to build show concepts from scratch no matter what you sell.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Topics discussed:</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>00:00 - Introduction</p>
<p>01:44 - What most founders get wrong about “personal brand”</p>
<p>07:22 - Can you build a YouTube channel or podcast with a small team?</p>
<p>08:13 - The paid ad strategy that actually works</p>
<p>13:20 - The ROI of podcasting and finding your show's premise</p>
<p>18:45 - How to build your from scratch (a real-time case study)</p>
<p>31:39 - How to stand apart from other channels33:30 - Why it's hard for some brands to find their audience</p>
<p>42:35 - Workshopping the DadGang podcast</p>
<p>51:51 - Do you need to publish weekly?</p>
<p>59:41 - The 3 waves of podcasting ROI</p>
<p>01:02:42 - When to give up or change your strategy</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Learn more about our sponsors:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.attentive.com/"><u>https://www.attentive.com/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://fuego.io/"><u>https://fuego.io/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.socialsnowball.io/"><u>https://www.socialsnowball.io/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://redo.com/"><u>https://redo.com/</u></a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>🔗 CONNECT WITH JOHN:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle"><u>https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle</u></a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>🔗 CONNECT WITH BART :</p>
<p><a href="https://szaniewski.com/"><u>https://szaniewski.com/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/theszef/"><u>https://www.instagram.com/theszef/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</u></a></p>
<p><br></p>]]>
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      <title>Is E-Commerce Actually the Worst Business to Start?</title>
      <description>Book a call with John: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/squeeze-page1712742970440



In e-commerce, you're poor until you're rich. This episode is about everything that happens in between.



Hosts John and Bart answer the real questions you want answers to: Is e-commerce right if you have a family? Do you need to out-hustle everyone? And what's actually happening when you're burned out, doing $2M in revenue, and only paying yourself $50,000?



Topics discussed:



00:00 - Introduction

00:57 - Is e-commerce worth it when you have a family?

11:38 - Why John has never launched his own e-commerce brand

15:12 - Easier ways to make money than e-commerce

20:19 - How much time and hustle is necessary in e-commerce?

27:49 - The upside of e-commerce (it’s not money)

33:21 - Burnout at $2M: why you’re not making a lot

37:19 - How to break past the $2M threshold

46:06 - Do you have to give up your dreams when you have kids?

54:33 - When e-commerce feels worth the sacrifice (&amp; how to pay yourself)



https://www.attentive.com/

https://fuego.io/

https://www.socialsnowball.io/

https://redo.com/



🔗 CONNECT WITH JOHN:



https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle



🔗 CONNECT WITH BART :



https://szaniewski.com/

https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2026 16:34:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Book a call with John: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/squeeze-page1712742970440



In e-commerce, you're poor until you're rich. This episode is about everything that happens in between.



Hosts John and Bart answer the real questions you want answers to: Is e-commerce right if you have a family? Do you need to out-hustle everyone? And what's actually happening when you're burned out, doing $2M in revenue, and only paying yourself $50,000?



Topics discussed:



00:00 - Introduction

00:57 - Is e-commerce worth it when you have a family?

11:38 - Why John has never launched his own e-commerce brand

15:12 - Easier ways to make money than e-commerce

20:19 - How much time and hustle is necessary in e-commerce?

27:49 - The upside of e-commerce (it’s not money)

33:21 - Burnout at $2M: why you’re not making a lot

37:19 - How to break past the $2M threshold

46:06 - Do you have to give up your dreams when you have kids?

54:33 - When e-commerce feels worth the sacrifice (&amp; how to pay yourself)



https://www.attentive.com/

https://fuego.io/

https://www.socialsnowball.io/

https://redo.com/



🔗 CONNECT WITH JOHN:



https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle



🔗 CONNECT WITH BART :



https://szaniewski.com/

https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Book a call with John: <a href="https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/squeeze-page1712742970440"><u>https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/squeeze-page1712742970440</u></a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>In e-commerce, you're poor until you're rich. This episode is about everything that happens in between.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Hosts John and Bart answer the real questions you want answers to: Is e-commerce right if you have a family? Do you need to out-hustle everyone? And what's actually happening when you're burned out, doing $2M in revenue, and only paying yourself $50,000?</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Topics discussed:</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>00:00 - Introduction</p>
<p>00:57 - Is e-commerce worth it when you have a family?</p>
<p>11:38 - Why John has never launched his own e-commerce brand</p>
<p>15:12 - Easier ways to make money than e-commerce</p>
<p>20:19 - How much time and hustle is necessary in e-commerce?</p>
<p>27:49 - The upside of e-commerce (it’s not money)</p>
<p>33:21 - Burnout at $2M: why you’re not making a lot</p>
<p>37:19 - How to break past the $2M threshold</p>
<p>46:06 - Do you have to give up your dreams when you have kids?</p>
<p>54:33 - When e-commerce feels worth the sacrifice (&amp; how to pay yourself)</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><a href="https://www.attentive.com/"><u>https://www.attentive.com/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://fuego.io/"><u>https://fuego.io/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.socialsnowball.io/"><u>https://www.socialsnowball.io/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://redo.com/"><u>https://redo.com/</u></a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>🔗 CONNECT WITH JOHN:</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle"><u>https://www.tiktok.com/@johnjhcoyle</u></a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>🔗 CONNECT WITH BART :</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><a href="https://szaniewski.com/"><u>https://szaniewski.com/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/theszef/"><u>https://www.instagram.com/theszef/</u></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</u></a>

</p>]]>
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      <title>8-Figure Founders Share EXACTLY What They Would Do If They Had to Restart Tomorrow [Bad Audio - Sorry]</title>
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Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

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What would successful founders actually do if they lost everything tomorrow?

In this episode, a room full of 7- and 8-figure business owners breaks down — honestly and tactically — how they would rebuild from zero if their money, skills, network, and businesses disappeared overnight. This isn’t theory. It’s real-world thinking from operators who’ve already built and scaled multiple companies.

The conversation covers the exact skills worth learning today, how to accelerate success early in your career, and why network, reps, and timing matter more than most people realize.

You’ll hear practical frameworks for rebuilding wealth, choosing the right opportunities, and positioning yourself to win — even starting with nothing.

⸻

🔥 What You’ll Learn In This Episode

✅ The fastest path back to success if you had to start over
✅ Why skill acquisition beats chasing business ideas early on
✅ The role mentorship, jobs, and environment play in accelerating growth
✅ How networking creates opportunities when everything else fails
✅ The smartest next move after selling a business (but not retiring)
✅ Why consulting can be the ideal transition after an exit
✅ How AI and emerging technologies create new leverage today
✅ Modern Meta ads strategy if organic growth didn’t exist
✅ Dropshipping, lead generation, and validation-first business models
✅ The mindset shift required to rebuild momentum from zero

⸻

💡 Key Takeaways
 • Early careers should focus on skills and reps, not status.
 • Keeping overhead low gives entrepreneurs more “shots on goal.”
 • Strong relationships often matter more than tactics when rebuilding.
 • Consulting and community-driven businesses can create clarity after exits.
 • Cultural shifts — especially AI — create massive opportunity for those willing to immerse early.

The episode also dives into real tactical discussions around SMS marketing changes from Apple’s new messaging filters and how brands can adapt to maintain deliverability and engagement.  ￼

⸻

If you’re an entrepreneur, operator, creator, or aspiring founder trying to figure out your next move — this episode is packed with high-signal advice from people who’ve already done it.

👉 Watch until the end for rapid-fire answers on business models, marketing strategies, and unconventional opportunities founders are quietly exploring today.</description>
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      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Sorry for the bad audio, we considered not publishing, but ultimately decided the episode was value packed so we went ahead and published it. 



Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

What would successful founders actually do if they lost everything tomorrow?

In this episode, a room full of 7- and 8-figure business owners breaks down — honestly and tactically — how they would rebuild from zero if their money, skills, network, and businesses disappeared overnight. This isn’t theory. It’s real-world thinking from operators who’ve already built and scaled multiple companies.

The conversation covers the exact skills worth learning today, how to accelerate success early in your career, and why network, reps, and timing matter more than most people realize.

You’ll hear practical frameworks for rebuilding wealth, choosing the right opportunities, and positioning yourself to win — even starting with nothing.

⸻

🔥 What You’ll Learn In This Episode

✅ The fastest path back to success if you had to start over
✅ Why skill acquisition beats chasing business ideas early on
✅ The role mentorship, jobs, and environment play in accelerating growth
✅ How networking creates opportunities when everything else fails
✅ The smartest next move after selling a business (but not retiring)
✅ Why consulting can be the ideal transition after an exit
✅ How AI and emerging technologies create new leverage today
✅ Modern Meta ads strategy if organic growth didn’t exist
✅ Dropshipping, lead generation, and validation-first business models
✅ The mindset shift required to rebuild momentum from zero

⸻

💡 Key Takeaways
 • Early careers should focus on skills and reps, not status.
 • Keeping overhead low gives entrepreneurs more “shots on goal.”
 • Strong relationships often matter more than tactics when rebuilding.
 • Consulting and community-driven businesses can create clarity after exits.
 • Cultural shifts — especially AI — create massive opportunity for those willing to immerse early.

The episode also dives into real tactical discussions around SMS marketing changes from Apple’s new messaging filters and how brands can adapt to maintain deliverability and engagement.  ￼

⸻

If you’re an entrepreneur, operator, creator, or aspiring founder trying to figure out your next move — this episode is packed with high-signal advice from people who’ve already done it.

👉 Watch until the end for rapid-fire answers on business models, marketing strategies, and unconventional opportunities founders are quietly exploring today.</itunes:summary>
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What would successful founders actually do if they lost everything tomorrow?

In this episode, a room full of 7- and 8-figure business owners breaks down — honestly and tactically — how they would rebuild from zero if their money, skills, network, and businesses disappeared overnight. This isn’t theory. It’s real-world thinking from operators who’ve already built and scaled multiple companies.

The conversation covers the exact skills worth learning today, how to accelerate success early in your career, and why network, reps, and timing matter more than most people realize.

You’ll hear practical frameworks for rebuilding wealth, choosing the right opportunities, and positioning yourself to win — even starting with nothing.

⸻

🔥 What You’ll Learn In This Episode

✅ The fastest path back to success if you had to start over
✅ Why skill acquisition beats chasing business ideas early on
✅ The role mentorship, jobs, and environment play in accelerating growth
✅ How networking creates opportunities when everything else fails
✅ The smartest next move after selling a business (but not retiring)
✅ Why consulting can be the ideal transition after an exit
✅ How AI and emerging technologies create new leverage today
✅ Modern Meta ads strategy if organic growth didn’t exist
✅ Dropshipping, lead generation, and validation-first business models
✅ The mindset shift required to rebuild momentum from zero

⸻

💡 Key Takeaways
 • Early careers should focus on skills and reps, not status.
 • Keeping overhead low gives entrepreneurs more “shots on goal.”
 • Strong relationships often matter more than tactics when rebuilding.
 • Consulting and community-driven businesses can create clarity after exits.
 • Cultural shifts — especially AI — create massive opportunity for those willing to immerse early.

The episode also dives into real tactical discussions around SMS marketing changes from Apple’s new messaging filters and how brands can adapt to maintain deliverability and engagement.  ￼

⸻

If you’re an entrepreneur, operator, creator, or aspiring founder trying to figure out your next move — this episode is packed with high-signal advice from people who’ve already done it.

👉 Watch until the end for rapid-fire answers on business models, marketing strategies, and unconventional opportunities founders are quietly exploring today.</p>]]>
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      <title>From 10 Ads a Week to 60 | Scaling Creative the Smart Way</title>
      <description>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

You’re not out of ideas — you’re out of creative systems.

In this episode, we break down one of the biggest bottlenecks holding brands back: scaling creative when the founder is doing everything themselves.

From shooting ads, editing videos, and generating ideas to managing production — many founders become the constraint in their own growth. So how do you scale creative output without hiring a massive team or increasing overhead?

We sit down to solve this problem in real time and walk through practical strategies to help founders produce more ads, unlock new angles, and build repeatable creative systems.

You’ll learn how to turn your community into a content engine, build scalable social content formats, use AI to multiply assets, and increase output without long-term hiring commitments.

If you run a brand, manage paid ads, or create content at scale — this episode shows how to increase creative volume without burning out.

⸻

What You’ll Learn

✅ How founders accidentally become the bottleneck in creative production
✅ How to scale ad output without hiring full-time employees
✅ Why community-driven content is an unfair advantage
✅ How to crowdsource ideas and content from customers
✅ The best formats for repeatable social content
✅ Ways to generate 50–60 creative assets per month
✅ How to use AI workflows to multiply static ads into dozens of variations
✅ When to use freelancers vs. full-time hires
✅ How to build ongoing “social show” formats that drive growth
✅ Systems for increasing creative volume before major scaling periods (like Q4)

⸻

Key Topics Covered
 • Scaling creative with low overhead
 • Founder-led marketing vs. team-based production
 • Community-led brand building
 • Creative ideation frameworks
 • Format-based content strategy
 • AI tools and automation workflows
 • Static ad amplification strategies
 • Creative testing and volume strategy
 • Building repeatable content engines

⸻

Who This Episode Is For
 • DTC founders and operators
 • Performance marketers and media buyers
 • Creative strategists and editors
 • Agencies scaling ad production
 • Brands preparing to scale paid spend
 • Anyone producing ads or content at scale

⸻

About the Show

This podcast breaks down real growth challenges from operators, founders, and marketers — and solves them live. Each episode focuses on practical strategies for scaling brands, improving marketing systems, and increasing performance through better creative and execution.

Subscribe for more conversations on creative strategy, DTC growth, performance marketing, and brand building.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

You’re not out of ideas — you’re out of creative systems.

In this episode, we break down one of the biggest bottlenecks holding brands back: scaling creative when the founder is doing everything themselves.

From shooting ads, editing videos, and generating ideas to managing production — many founders become the constraint in their own growth. So how do you scale creative output without hiring a massive team or increasing overhead?

We sit down to solve this problem in real time and walk through practical strategies to help founders produce more ads, unlock new angles, and build repeatable creative systems.

You’ll learn how to turn your community into a content engine, build scalable social content formats, use AI to multiply assets, and increase output without long-term hiring commitments.

If you run a brand, manage paid ads, or create content at scale — this episode shows how to increase creative volume without burning out.

⸻

What You’ll Learn

✅ How founders accidentally become the bottleneck in creative production
✅ How to scale ad output without hiring full-time employees
✅ Why community-driven content is an unfair advantage
✅ How to crowdsource ideas and content from customers
✅ The best formats for repeatable social content
✅ Ways to generate 50–60 creative assets per month
✅ How to use AI workflows to multiply static ads into dozens of variations
✅ When to use freelancers vs. full-time hires
✅ How to build ongoing “social show” formats that drive growth
✅ Systems for increasing creative volume before major scaling periods (like Q4)

⸻

Key Topics Covered
 • Scaling creative with low overhead
 • Founder-led marketing vs. team-based production
 • Community-led brand building
 • Creative ideation frameworks
 • Format-based content strategy
 • AI tools and automation workflows
 • Static ad amplification strategies
 • Creative testing and volume strategy
 • Building repeatable content engines

⸻

Who This Episode Is For
 • DTC founders and operators
 • Performance marketers and media buyers
 • Creative strategists and editors
 • Agencies scaling ad production
 • Brands preparing to scale paid spend
 • Anyone producing ads or content at scale

⸻

About the Show

This podcast breaks down real growth challenges from operators, founders, and marketers — and solves them live. Each episode focuses on practical strategies for scaling brands, improving marketing systems, and increasing performance through better creative and execution.

Subscribe for more conversations on creative strategy, DTC growth, performance marketing, and brand building.</itunes:summary>
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You’re not out of ideas — you’re out of creative systems.

In this episode, we break down one of the biggest bottlenecks holding brands back: scaling creative when the founder is doing everything themselves.

From shooting ads, editing videos, and generating ideas to managing production — many founders become the constraint in their own growth. So how do you scale creative output without hiring a massive team or increasing overhead?

We sit down to solve this problem in real time and walk through practical strategies to help founders produce more ads, unlock new angles, and build repeatable creative systems.

You’ll learn how to turn your community into a content engine, build scalable social content formats, use AI to multiply assets, and increase output without long-term hiring commitments.

If you run a brand, manage paid ads, or create content at scale — this episode shows how to increase creative volume without burning out.

⸻

What You’ll Learn

✅ How founders accidentally become the bottleneck in creative production
✅ How to scale ad output without hiring full-time employees
✅ Why community-driven content is an unfair advantage
✅ How to crowdsource ideas and content from customers
✅ The best formats for repeatable social content
✅ Ways to generate 50–60 creative assets per month
✅ How to use AI workflows to multiply static ads into dozens of variations
✅ When to use freelancers vs. full-time hires
✅ How to build ongoing “social show” formats that drive growth
✅ Systems for increasing creative volume before major scaling periods (like Q4)

⸻

Key Topics Covered
 • Scaling creative with low overhead
 • Founder-led marketing vs. team-based production
 • Community-led brand building
 • Creative ideation frameworks
 • Format-based content strategy
 • AI tools and automation workflows
 • Static ad amplification strategies
 • Creative testing and volume strategy
 • Building repeatable content engines

⸻

Who This Episode Is For
 • DTC founders and operators
 • Performance marketers and media buyers
 • Creative strategists and editors
 • Agencies scaling ad production
 • Brands preparing to scale paid spend
 • Anyone producing ads or content at scale

⸻

About the Show

This podcast breaks down real growth challenges from operators, founders, and marketers — and solves them live. Each episode focuses on practical strategies for scaling brands, improving marketing systems, and increasing performance through better creative and execution.

Subscribe for more conversations on creative strategy, DTC growth, performance marketing, and brand building.</p>]]>
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    <item>
      <title>Why Most Brands Panic During Slowdowns (And What to Do Instead)</title>
      <description>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

What do you do when your brand is growing fast… and then suddenly hits a wall?

In this episode, we break down a real-time business speed run where a fast-growing consumer brand faces stalled momentum caused by inventory constraints, pricing issues, and misaligned incentives.

Instead of panic decisions—cutting spend, freezing growth, or randomly changing strategies—we walk through exactly how to reset momentum intelligently.

You’ll learn:
 • Why most brands panic during slowdowns (and why that usually makes things worse)
 • How to think about growth when you’re supply constrained
 • The right way to pre-sell offers without blowing up trust or margins
 • How to raise prices without killing demand
 • Why “cracked offers” can secretly destroy profitability
 • How to realign teams when growth pauses
 • The difference between optimizing vs accelerating
 • How to bottle demand so you can release it later at scale
 • What to focus on when paid ads aren’t an option
 • How to create a momentum shift in as little as 20 minutes

This conversation is especially valuable for:
 • E-commerce founders
 • Brand operators
 • Growth marketers
 • Performance marketing teams
 • Anyone scaling subscription or DTC businesses

If you’ve ever felt stuck between wanting to grow and being unable to push harder—this episode gives you a clear mental model for what to do next.

Watch until the end for the full breakdown of how to fix a stalled brand without panic.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

What do you do when your brand is growing fast… and then suddenly hits a wall?

In this episode, we break down a real-time business speed run where a fast-growing consumer brand faces stalled momentum caused by inventory constraints, pricing issues, and misaligned incentives.

Instead of panic decisions—cutting spend, freezing growth, or randomly changing strategies—we walk through exactly how to reset momentum intelligently.

You’ll learn:
 • Why most brands panic during slowdowns (and why that usually makes things worse)
 • How to think about growth when you’re supply constrained
 • The right way to pre-sell offers without blowing up trust or margins
 • How to raise prices without killing demand
 • Why “cracked offers” can secretly destroy profitability
 • How to realign teams when growth pauses
 • The difference between optimizing vs accelerating
 • How to bottle demand so you can release it later at scale
 • What to focus on when paid ads aren’t an option
 • How to create a momentum shift in as little as 20 minutes

This conversation is especially valuable for:
 • E-commerce founders
 • Brand operators
 • Growth marketers
 • Performance marketing teams
 • Anyone scaling subscription or DTC businesses

If you’ve ever felt stuck between wanting to grow and being unable to push harder—this episode gives you a clear mental model for what to do next.

Watch until the end for the full breakdown of how to fix a stalled brand without panic.</itunes:summary>
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What do you do when your brand is growing fast… and then suddenly hits a wall?

In this episode, we break down a real-time business speed run where a fast-growing consumer brand faces stalled momentum caused by inventory constraints, pricing issues, and misaligned incentives.

Instead of panic decisions—cutting spend, freezing growth, or randomly changing strategies—we walk through exactly how to reset momentum intelligently.

You’ll learn:
 • Why most brands panic during slowdowns (and why that usually makes things worse)
 • How to think about growth when you’re supply constrained
 • The right way to pre-sell offers without blowing up trust or margins
 • How to raise prices without killing demand
 • Why “cracked offers” can secretly destroy profitability
 • How to realign teams when growth pauses
 • The difference between optimizing vs accelerating
 • How to bottle demand so you can release it later at scale
 • What to focus on when paid ads aren’t an option
 • How to create a momentum shift in as little as 20 minutes

This conversation is especially valuable for:
 • E-commerce founders
 • Brand operators
 • Growth marketers
 • Performance marketing teams
 • Anyone scaling subscription or DTC businesses

If you’ve ever felt stuck between wanting to grow and being unable to push harder—this episode gives you a clear mental model for what to do next.

Watch until the end for the full breakdown of how to fix a stalled brand without panic.</p>]]>
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      <title>The Exact Ad Channel Mix for Scaling to $100M+</title>
      <description>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

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How to Scale to $100M+ Without Breaking Your Brand

What actually changes when a brand moves from early traction to serious scale?

In this episode, we break down the exact questions brands start asking on the road from $0 to $100M+—the questions that separate brands that plateau from brands that keep compounding.

We cover:
 • The exact ad channel mix we’d run when scaling toward $100M+
 • When (and how) to introduce brand spend without killing performance
 • How to scale without losing your core customers
 • Why most brands hit a ceiling even when revenue is growing
 • The real tradeoffs between performance vs brand marketing
 • How fast-growing companies think about team structure, media, and messaging

This isn’t theory or generic marketing advice. These are real conversations happening inside 8- and 9-figure brands as they scale.

If you’re a founder, operator, or marketer trying to grow past your current ceiling—this episode will change how you think about growth.

🎯 Perfect for:
 • Founders scaling past 7 figures
 • Performance marketers managing large budgets
 • Operators navigating brand vs performance decisions
 • Anyone building a long-term, defensible brand

Chapters:
00:00 – Why scaling breaks most brands
02:41 – The difference between growing revenue vs growing a brand
06:05 – The exact questions brands start asking past 7 figures
10:12 – The $100M mindset shift most founders miss
14:28 – Performance marketing vs brand marketing (what actually changes)
18:47 – The exact ad channel mix for scaling toward $100M+
23:36 – When to start spending on brand (and how much is too early)
28:14 – How brands lose their core customers while scaling
32:09 – Scaling without killing trust, loyalty, or positioning
36:18 – Team structure, decision-making, and growth bottlenecks
40:41 – Final advice for founders scaling past their current ceiling
44:12 – Subscribe :)</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

How to Scale to $100M+ Without Breaking Your Brand

What actually changes when a brand moves from early traction to serious scale?

In this episode, we break down the exact questions brands start asking on the road from $0 to $100M+—the questions that separate brands that plateau from brands that keep compounding.

We cover:
 • The exact ad channel mix we’d run when scaling toward $100M+
 • When (and how) to introduce brand spend without killing performance
 • How to scale without losing your core customers
 • Why most brands hit a ceiling even when revenue is growing
 • The real tradeoffs between performance vs brand marketing
 • How fast-growing companies think about team structure, media, and messaging

This isn’t theory or generic marketing advice. These are real conversations happening inside 8- and 9-figure brands as they scale.

If you’re a founder, operator, or marketer trying to grow past your current ceiling—this episode will change how you think about growth.

🎯 Perfect for:
 • Founders scaling past 7 figures
 • Performance marketers managing large budgets
 • Operators navigating brand vs performance decisions
 • Anyone building a long-term, defensible brand

Chapters:
00:00 – Why scaling breaks most brands
02:41 – The difference between growing revenue vs growing a brand
06:05 – The exact questions brands start asking past 7 figures
10:12 – The $100M mindset shift most founders miss
14:28 – Performance marketing vs brand marketing (what actually changes)
18:47 – The exact ad channel mix for scaling toward $100M+
23:36 – When to start spending on brand (and how much is too early)
28:14 – How brands lose their core customers while scaling
32:09 – Scaling without killing trust, loyalty, or positioning
36:18 – Team structure, decision-making, and growth bottlenecks
40:41 – Final advice for founders scaling past their current ceiling
44:12 – Subscribe :)</itunes:summary>
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How to Scale to $100M+ Without Breaking Your Brand

What actually changes when a brand moves from early traction to serious scale?

In this episode, we break down the exact questions brands start asking on the road from $0 to $100M+—the questions that separate brands that plateau from brands that keep compounding.

We cover:
 • The exact ad channel mix we’d run when scaling toward $100M+
 • When (and how) to introduce brand spend without killing performance
 • How to scale without losing your core customers
 • Why most brands hit a ceiling even when revenue is growing
 • The real tradeoffs between performance vs brand marketing
 • How fast-growing companies think about team structure, media, and messaging

This isn’t theory or generic marketing advice. These are real conversations happening inside 8- and 9-figure brands as they scale.

If you’re a founder, operator, or marketer trying to grow past your current ceiling—this episode will change how you think about growth.

🎯 Perfect for:
 • Founders scaling past 7 figures
 • Performance marketers managing large budgets
 • Operators navigating brand vs performance decisions
 • Anyone building a long-term, defensible brand

Chapters:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ">00:00</a> – Why scaling breaks most brands
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=161s">02:41</a> – The difference between growing revenue vs growing a brand
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=365s">06:05</a> – The exact questions brands start asking past 7 figures
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=612s">10:12</a> – The $100M mindset shift most founders miss
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=868s">14:28</a> – Performance marketing vs brand marketing (what actually changes)
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=1127s">18:47</a> – The exact ad channel mix for scaling toward $100M+
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=1416s">23:36</a> – When to start spending on brand (and how much is too early)
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=1694s">28:14</a> – How brands lose their core customers while scaling
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=1929s">32:09</a> – Scaling without killing trust, loyalty, or positioning
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=2178s">36:18</a> – Team structure, decision-making, and growth bottlenecks
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=2441s">40:41</a> – Final advice for founders scaling past their current ceiling
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe7zGA3lqQ&amp;t=2652s">44:12</a> – Subscribe :)</p>]]>
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    <item>
      <title>We Built a $1M Brand in 20 Minutes (Copy and Scale)</title>
      <description>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

We put 20 minutes on the clock and build a $1M business from scratch for a stranger, live and on the spot.

In this episode, the “stranger” is the host, and the product is an all-natural meal bar that combines:
 • 20g of protein
 • 100mg of caffeine
 • Sweetened with honey
 • Built for busy, high-performance people who want energy and fuel in one snack

The problem?

The founder tried running Meta ads, but after COGS, they were losing money.

So in this episode, we break down exactly how we’d take this product from “friends and family sales” to a scalable brand, using a real plan focused on:
 • Organic-first growth
 • Boosting content strategically (not just “running ads”)
 • Subscription framing without killing conversions
 • Founder-led content and real-world taste test content
 • Fixing the offer so the unit economics can actually work

If you’re building a consumer brand (especially food or supplements) and wondering how to get out of the “I’m spending money but not scaling” trap, this episode is the blueprint.

Subscribe if you’re enjoying these breakdowns, because we’re going to keep bringing more real strategies you can apply immediately.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

We put 20 minutes on the clock and build a $1M business from scratch for a stranger, live and on the spot.

In this episode, the “stranger” is the host, and the product is an all-natural meal bar that combines:
 • 20g of protein
 • 100mg of caffeine
 • Sweetened with honey
 • Built for busy, high-performance people who want energy and fuel in one snack

The problem?

The founder tried running Meta ads, but after COGS, they were losing money.

So in this episode, we break down exactly how we’d take this product from “friends and family sales” to a scalable brand, using a real plan focused on:
 • Organic-first growth
 • Boosting content strategically (not just “running ads”)
 • Subscription framing without killing conversions
 • Founder-led content and real-world taste test content
 • Fixing the offer so the unit economics can actually work

If you’re building a consumer brand (especially food or supplements) and wondering how to get out of the “I’m spending money but not scaling” trap, this episode is the blueprint.

Subscribe if you’re enjoying these breakdowns, because we’re going to keep bringing more real strategies you can apply immediately.</itunes:summary>
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We put 20 minutes on the clock and build a $1M business from scratch for a stranger, live and on the spot.

In this episode, the “stranger” is the host, and the product is an all-natural meal bar that combines:
 • 20g of protein
 • 100mg of caffeine
 • Sweetened with honey
 • Built for busy, high-performance people who want energy and fuel in one snack

The problem?

The founder tried running Meta ads, but after COGS, they were losing money.

So in this episode, we break down exactly how we’d take this product from “friends and family sales” to a scalable brand, using a real plan focused on:
 • Organic-first growth
 • Boosting content strategically (not just “running ads”)
 • Subscription framing without killing conversions
 • Founder-led content and real-world taste test content
 • Fixing the offer so the unit economics can actually work

If you’re building a consumer brand (especially food or supplements) and wondering how to get out of the “I’m spending money but not scaling” trap, this episode is the blueprint.

Subscribe if you’re enjoying these breakdowns, because we’re going to keep bringing more real strategies you can apply immediately.</p>]]>
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    <item>
      <title>The New Way to Run Meta Ads in 2026</title>
      <description>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

Meta ads are still working, but most brands are making them way harder than they need to be.

In this episode of The Checkout Podcast, we go pure tactical on Meta Ads: what’s working right now, how to test creatives without blowing up your account, and why most people obsess over “structure” when the real game is decision-making and creative systems.

We break down the real fork in the road that every brand and media buyer has to choose:

Do you dedicate spend to every creative test?
OR
Do you drop new creatives into proven campaigns and let Meta pick winners?

Whether you’re running Advantage+, scaling a brand past 7-figures, or stuck in the cycle of constantly tweaking things out of paranoia, this episode will give you a clearer framework to make decisions with confidence.

⸻

What You’ll Learn In This Episode
 • Meta ads in 2026: what’s actually changing and what’s not
 • The two testing philosophies that control everything in your ad account
 • When testing everything will tank performance (and when it helps you scale)
 • Why most brands are overcomplicating campaign structure
 • How to know if your tactics are outdated without ruining what already works
 • How to find winning ad angles faster than ever (even if you feel stuck)
 • The 50/30/20 creative framework (internally proven → outside inspired → outside-the-box)
 • How top brands stay consistent while still finding new winners</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2026 04:35:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

Meta ads are still working, but most brands are making them way harder than they need to be.

In this episode of The Checkout Podcast, we go pure tactical on Meta Ads: what’s working right now, how to test creatives without blowing up your account, and why most people obsess over “structure” when the real game is decision-making and creative systems.

We break down the real fork in the road that every brand and media buyer has to choose:

Do you dedicate spend to every creative test?
OR
Do you drop new creatives into proven campaigns and let Meta pick winners?

Whether you’re running Advantage+, scaling a brand past 7-figures, or stuck in the cycle of constantly tweaking things out of paranoia, this episode will give you a clearer framework to make decisions with confidence.

⸻

What You’ll Learn In This Episode
 • Meta ads in 2026: what’s actually changing and what’s not
 • The two testing philosophies that control everything in your ad account
 • When testing everything will tank performance (and when it helps you scale)
 • Why most brands are overcomplicating campaign structure
 • How to know if your tactics are outdated without ruining what already works
 • How to find winning ad angles faster than ever (even if you feel stuck)
 • The 50/30/20 creative framework (internally proven → outside inspired → outside-the-box)
 • How top brands stay consistent while still finding new winners</itunes:summary>
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Meta ads are still working, but most brands are making them way harder than they need to be.

In this episode of The Checkout Podcast, we go pure tactical on Meta Ads: what’s working right now, how to test creatives without blowing up your account, and why most people obsess over “structure” when the real game is decision-making and creative systems.

We break down the real fork in the road that every brand and media buyer has to choose:

Do you dedicate spend to every creative test?
OR
Do you drop new creatives into proven campaigns and let Meta pick winners?

Whether you’re running Advantage+, scaling a brand past 7-figures, or stuck in the cycle of constantly tweaking things out of paranoia, this episode will give you a clearer framework to make decisions with confidence.

⸻

What You’ll Learn In This Episode
 • Meta ads in 2026: what’s actually changing and what’s not
 • The two testing philosophies that control everything in your ad account
 • When testing everything will tank performance (and when it helps you scale)
 • Why most brands are overcomplicating campaign structure
 • How to know if your tactics are outdated without ruining what already works
 • How to find winning ad angles faster than ever (even if you feel stuck)
 • The 50/30/20 creative framework (internally proven → outside inspired → outside-the-box)
 • How top brands stay consistent while still finding new winners</p>]]>
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    <item>
      <title>What Actually Fuels Most Founders (And Why Most Quit)</title>
      <description>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

Why Most Founders Fail — And How to Avoid the Same Mistakes

In this episode, we break down why the vast majority of founders and small businesses fail—and more importantly, how to avoid becoming another statistic.

John Coyle (VP of Marketing at Royo Bread), Nick Shackelford (Partner at Brez) and Bart (Co-Founder of Dad Gang) answer real questions submitted by listeners and share hard-earned lessons from building, scaling, and surviving multiple businesses across e-commerce, agencies, SaaS, and brand building  ￼.

This is not surface-level motivation. It’s a deep, honest conversation about choosing the right business, building leverage, avoiding burnout, selecting co-founders, and understanding what actually fuels long-term success.

⸻

 Topics Covered in This Episode

How do you choose the right business to start?
We break down why most people fail before they even begin—often by choosing ideas without skills, leverage, or real-world exposure. The group explains why working for the right company or starting a “boring” business can be the smartest move early on.

Why most founders burn out (even after they “win”)
Burnout doesn’t always come from losing—it often comes after success. The hosts share personal burnout stories, including moments where they physically couldn’t bring themselves to work, even after major financial wins.

The real role of passion vs. skill
Passion alone isn’t enough. This episode explains how to pair what you care about with what you’re actually good at—and how ignoring that balance leads to frustration and failure.

Solo founder vs. co-founder: what actually works
We dive deep into:
 • When you should start solo
 • When a co-founder becomes necessary
 • Why complementary skills matter more than equal skills
 • How poor alignment destroys otherwise great businesses

How to find the right co-founder
From moral alignment and trust to lane separation and incentives, this episode outlines what healthy partnerships actually look like—and why most people rush into the wrong ones.

Why you shouldn’t try to learn everything at once
Trying to master fulfillment and sales and marketing at the same time is one of the fastest paths to failure. The conversation breaks down how to simplify early and build leverage instead.

Founder motivation &amp; infinite fuel sources
One of the most powerful parts of the episode: the idea that burnout happens when you’re running on the wrong fuel. Learn how to identify what truly motivates you—and how to design your work around it.

Female founders in male-dominated industries
We tackle a tough but important question: are female founders losing deals because of gender bias? And if so, how can that be turned into a strategic advantage rather than a disadvantage?

⸻

 Who This Episode Is For
 • First-time founders trying to choose the right business
 • Agency owners stuck at six figures and feeling maxed out
 • Solo founders debating whether to bring on a partner
 • Entrepreneurs dealing with burnout, loss of motivation, or stagnation
 • Anyone trying to build a business that supports life—not consumes it

⸻

🎧 Why You Should Watch the Full Episode

This conversation is raw, unscripted, and grounded in real operator experience—not theory. If you’re serious about building something that lasts, this episode will help you:
 • Avoid common early-stage traps
 • Make better long-term decisions
 • Understand yourself as a founder
 • Build businesses that align with your values and energy</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

Why Most Founders Fail — And How to Avoid the Same Mistakes

In this episode, we break down why the vast majority of founders and small businesses fail—and more importantly, how to avoid becoming another statistic.

John Coyle (VP of Marketing at Royo Bread), Nick Shackelford (Partner at Brez) and Bart (Co-Founder of Dad Gang) answer real questions submitted by listeners and share hard-earned lessons from building, scaling, and surviving multiple businesses across e-commerce, agencies, SaaS, and brand building  ￼.

This is not surface-level motivation. It’s a deep, honest conversation about choosing the right business, building leverage, avoiding burnout, selecting co-founders, and understanding what actually fuels long-term success.

⸻

 Topics Covered in This Episode

How do you choose the right business to start?
We break down why most people fail before they even begin—often by choosing ideas without skills, leverage, or real-world exposure. The group explains why working for the right company or starting a “boring” business can be the smartest move early on.

Why most founders burn out (even after they “win”)
Burnout doesn’t always come from losing—it often comes after success. The hosts share personal burnout stories, including moments where they physically couldn’t bring themselves to work, even after major financial wins.

The real role of passion vs. skill
Passion alone isn’t enough. This episode explains how to pair what you care about with what you’re actually good at—and how ignoring that balance leads to frustration and failure.

Solo founder vs. co-founder: what actually works
We dive deep into:
 • When you should start solo
 • When a co-founder becomes necessary
 • Why complementary skills matter more than equal skills
 • How poor alignment destroys otherwise great businesses

How to find the right co-founder
From moral alignment and trust to lane separation and incentives, this episode outlines what healthy partnerships actually look like—and why most people rush into the wrong ones.

Why you shouldn’t try to learn everything at once
Trying to master fulfillment and sales and marketing at the same time is one of the fastest paths to failure. The conversation breaks down how to simplify early and build leverage instead.

Founder motivation &amp; infinite fuel sources
One of the most powerful parts of the episode: the idea that burnout happens when you’re running on the wrong fuel. Learn how to identify what truly motivates you—and how to design your work around it.

Female founders in male-dominated industries
We tackle a tough but important question: are female founders losing deals because of gender bias? And if so, how can that be turned into a strategic advantage rather than a disadvantage?

⸻

 Who This Episode Is For
 • First-time founders trying to choose the right business
 • Agency owners stuck at six figures and feeling maxed out
 • Solo founders debating whether to bring on a partner
 • Entrepreneurs dealing with burnout, loss of motivation, or stagnation
 • Anyone trying to build a business that supports life—not consumes it

⸻

🎧 Why You Should Watch the Full Episode

This conversation is raw, unscripted, and grounded in real operator experience—not theory. If you’re serious about building something that lasts, this episode will help you:
 • Avoid common early-stage traps
 • Make better long-term decisions
 • Understand yourself as a founder
 • Build businesses that align with your values and energy</itunes:summary>
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Why Most Founders Fail — And How to Avoid the Same Mistakes

In this episode, we break down why the vast majority of founders and small businesses fail—and more importantly, how to avoid becoming another statistic.

John Coyle (VP of Marketing at Royo Bread), Nick Shackelford (Partner at Brez) and Bart (Co-Founder of Dad Gang) answer real questions submitted by listeners and share hard-earned lessons from building, scaling, and surviving multiple businesses across e-commerce, agencies, SaaS, and brand building  ￼.

This is not surface-level motivation. It’s a deep, honest conversation about choosing the right business, building leverage, avoiding burnout, selecting co-founders, and understanding what actually fuels long-term success.

⸻

 Topics Covered in This Episode

How do you choose the right business to start?
We break down why most people fail before they even begin—often by choosing ideas without skills, leverage, or real-world exposure. The group explains why working for the right company or starting a “boring” business can be the smartest move early on.

Why most founders burn out (even after they “win”)
Burnout doesn’t always come from losing—it often comes after success. The hosts share personal burnout stories, including moments where they physically couldn’t bring themselves to work, even after major financial wins.

The real role of passion vs. skill
Passion alone isn’t enough. This episode explains how to pair what you care about with what you’re actually good at—and how ignoring that balance leads to frustration and failure.

Solo founder vs. co-founder: what actually works
We dive deep into:
 • When you should start solo
 • When a co-founder becomes necessary
 • Why complementary skills matter more than equal skills
 • How poor alignment destroys otherwise great businesses

How to find the right co-founder
From moral alignment and trust to lane separation and incentives, this episode outlines what healthy partnerships actually look like—and why most people rush into the wrong ones.

Why you shouldn’t try to learn everything at once
Trying to master fulfillment and sales and marketing at the same time is one of the fastest paths to failure. The conversation breaks down how to simplify early and build leverage instead.

Founder motivation &amp; infinite fuel sources
One of the most powerful parts of the episode: the idea that burnout happens when you’re running on the wrong fuel. Learn how to identify what truly motivates you—and how to design your work around it.

Female founders in male-dominated industries
We tackle a tough but important question: are female founders losing deals because of gender bias? And if so, how can that be turned into a strategic advantage rather than a disadvantage?

⸻

 Who This Episode Is For
 • First-time founders trying to choose the right business
 • Agency owners stuck at six figures and feeling maxed out
 • Solo founders debating whether to bring on a partner
 • Entrepreneurs dealing with burnout, loss of motivation, or stagnation
 • Anyone trying to build a business that supports life—not consumes it

⸻

🎧 Why You Should Watch the Full Episode

This conversation is raw, unscripted, and grounded in real operator experience—not theory. If you’re serious about building something that lasts, this episode will help you:
 • Avoid common early-stage traps
 • Make better long-term decisions
 • Understand yourself as a founder
 • Build businesses that align with your values and energy</p>]]>
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      <title>Overstaffed, Underprofitable: How Founders Should Think About Hiring</title>
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Growing fast should feel like winning.
So why do so many founders end up more stressed, less profitable, and questioning their own decisions as revenue climbs?

In this episode, we break down one of the most uncomfortable but critical questions founders face as they scale:

Are you actually building a better business — or just hiring your way into chaos?

The conversation starts with a real founder scenario:
 • Revenue is up 200% year over year
 • The company used to be profitable
 • Now it’s losing money
 • The team’s solution? Hire more people

From there, we unpack what’s really happening beneath the surface.

This episode covers:
 • The hidden danger of overhiring during growth
 • Why “we need more people” is often a symptom, not a solution
 • How to tell if a role is actually contributing to revenue or profit
 • The difference between scaling output vs scaling overhead
 • When losing money can make sense — and when it absolutely doesn’t
 • Why chasing top-line growth can quietly destroy founder clarity and decision-making
 • The mental and financial cost of “speedrunning” to $100M
 • How experienced operators think about stress, risk, and sustainability
 • Practical frameworks for hiring lean without stalling growth

You’ll also hear candid takes on:
 • The myth that bigger teams automatically mean better execution
 • Why many brands hit a wall around certain revenue milestones
 • How to think about hiring when you’re not a multi-time operator
 • The difference between scaling with confidence vs scaling in survival mode

This is not a hype episode.
It’s a reality check for founders who are growing fast and wondering if the pressure they feel is normal—or a warning sign.

If you’re a founder, operator, or growth lead asking yourself:
 • “Should I slow down?”
 • “Did I overhire?”
 • “Am I building something sustainable—or just expensive?”

This episode will help you think more clearly about what comes next.</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

Growing fast should feel like winning.
So why do so many founders end up more stressed, less profitable, and questioning their own decisions as revenue climbs?

In this episode, we break down one of the most uncomfortable but critical questions founders face as they scale:

Are you actually building a better business — or just hiring your way into chaos?

The conversation starts with a real founder scenario:
 • Revenue is up 200% year over year
 • The company used to be profitable
 • Now it’s losing money
 • The team’s solution? Hire more people

From there, we unpack what’s really happening beneath the surface.

This episode covers:
 • The hidden danger of overhiring during growth
 • Why “we need more people” is often a symptom, not a solution
 • How to tell if a role is actually contributing to revenue or profit
 • The difference between scaling output vs scaling overhead
 • When losing money can make sense — and when it absolutely doesn’t
 • Why chasing top-line growth can quietly destroy founder clarity and decision-making
 • The mental and financial cost of “speedrunning” to $100M
 • How experienced operators think about stress, risk, and sustainability
 • Practical frameworks for hiring lean without stalling growth

You’ll also hear candid takes on:
 • The myth that bigger teams automatically mean better execution
 • Why many brands hit a wall around certain revenue milestones
 • How to think about hiring when you’re not a multi-time operator
 • The difference between scaling with confidence vs scaling in survival mode

This is not a hype episode.
It’s a reality check for founders who are growing fast and wondering if the pressure they feel is normal—or a warning sign.

If you’re a founder, operator, or growth lead asking yourself:
 • “Should I slow down?”
 • “Did I overhire?”
 • “Am I building something sustainable—or just expensive?”

This episode will help you think more clearly about what comes next.</itunes:summary>
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Growing fast should feel like winning.
So why do so many founders end up more stressed, less profitable, and questioning their own decisions as revenue climbs?

In this episode, we break down one of the most uncomfortable but critical questions founders face as they scale:

Are you actually building a better business — or just hiring your way into chaos?

The conversation starts with a real founder scenario:
 • Revenue is up 200% year over year
 • The company used to be profitable
 • Now it’s losing money
 • The team’s solution? Hire more people

From there, we unpack what’s really happening beneath the surface.

This episode covers:
 • The hidden danger of overhiring during growth
 • Why “we need more people” is often a symptom, not a solution
 • How to tell if a role is actually contributing to revenue or profit
 • The difference between scaling output vs scaling overhead
 • When losing money can make sense — and when it absolutely doesn’t
 • Why chasing top-line growth can quietly destroy founder clarity and decision-making
 • The mental and financial cost of “speedrunning” to $100M
 • How experienced operators think about stress, risk, and sustainability
 • Practical frameworks for hiring lean without stalling growth

You’ll also hear candid takes on:
 • The myth that bigger teams automatically mean better execution
 • Why many brands hit a wall around certain revenue milestones
 • How to think about hiring when you’re not a multi-time operator
 • The difference between scaling with confidence vs scaling in survival mode

This is not a hype episode.
It’s a reality check for founders who are growing fast and wondering if the pressure they feel is normal—or a warning sign.

If you’re a founder, operator, or growth lead asking yourself:
 • “Should I slow down?”
 • “Did I overhire?”
 • “Am I building something sustainable—or just expensive?”

This episode will help you think more clearly about what comes next.</p>]]>
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      <title>Why Founders Are Afraid to Stop Working</title>
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What do you do when you’re doing well… but still feel stuck on the hamster wheel?

In this episode of the podcast, we break down one of the most common (and least talked-about) problems among ambitious operators, founders, and marketers: being constantly busy, financially “okay,” yet unable to make the leap to the next phase of freedom.

The conversation starts with a real listener question — someone working full-time at an agency while trying to build their own brand on the side — and expands into a deep, honest discussion about agency life, risk, ambition, burnout, financial freedom, and the emotional weight of building something meaningful.

We talk about why:
 • Agency work is one of the most emotionally draining business models
 • Being “busy” is often a sign of misaligned goals, not lack of discipline
 • You should feel overwhelmed in certain seasons — and why that’s normal
 • Financial freedom and time freedom are not the same thing
 • Fear of “losing it all” never fully goes away (and why that’s not a bad thing)

Later in the episode, we shift into a highly tactical discussion around DTC vs retail, cannibalization, and scaling consumer brands the right way — especially for food and beverage companies.

If you’re:
 • Working a full-time job while building something on the side
 • Running an agency and feeling trapped by client work
 • Scaling a DTC brand and considering retail
 • Or struggling with the mental load that comes with success

This episode will feel uncomfortably familiar — in a good way.

⸻

TOPICS COVERED
 • Agency life vs brand ownership
 • When (and when not) to quit your job
 • Low overhead as a strategic advantage
 • Staying in “the suck” in your 20s
 • Financial freedom vs time freedom
 • Why fear can be a feature, not a flaw
 • Retail cannibalization and blended CAC
 • Using DTC to support retail growth
 • How great brands actually scale

⸻

WHO THIS EPISODE IS FOR
Founders, operators, marketers, agency owners, and anyone trying to build leverage without burning out — especially if you’re ambitious, capable, and still feel behind.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

What do you do when you’re doing well… but still feel stuck on the hamster wheel?

In this episode of the podcast, we break down one of the most common (and least talked-about) problems among ambitious operators, founders, and marketers: being constantly busy, financially “okay,” yet unable to make the leap to the next phase of freedom.

The conversation starts with a real listener question — someone working full-time at an agency while trying to build their own brand on the side — and expands into a deep, honest discussion about agency life, risk, ambition, burnout, financial freedom, and the emotional weight of building something meaningful.

We talk about why:
 • Agency work is one of the most emotionally draining business models
 • Being “busy” is often a sign of misaligned goals, not lack of discipline
 • You should feel overwhelmed in certain seasons — and why that’s normal
 • Financial freedom and time freedom are not the same thing
 • Fear of “losing it all” never fully goes away (and why that’s not a bad thing)

Later in the episode, we shift into a highly tactical discussion around DTC vs retail, cannibalization, and scaling consumer brands the right way — especially for food and beverage companies.

If you’re:
 • Working a full-time job while building something on the side
 • Running an agency and feeling trapped by client work
 • Scaling a DTC brand and considering retail
 • Or struggling with the mental load that comes with success

This episode will feel uncomfortably familiar — in a good way.

⸻

TOPICS COVERED
 • Agency life vs brand ownership
 • When (and when not) to quit your job
 • Low overhead as a strategic advantage
 • Staying in “the suck” in your 20s
 • Financial freedom vs time freedom
 • Why fear can be a feature, not a flaw
 • Retail cannibalization and blended CAC
 • Using DTC to support retail growth
 • How great brands actually scale

⸻

WHO THIS EPISODE IS FOR
Founders, operators, marketers, agency owners, and anyone trying to build leverage without burning out — especially if you’re ambitious, capable, and still feel behind.</itunes:summary>
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What do you do when you’re doing well… but still feel stuck on the hamster wheel?

In this episode of the podcast, we break down one of the most common (and least talked-about) problems among ambitious operators, founders, and marketers: being constantly busy, financially “okay,” yet unable to make the leap to the next phase of freedom.

The conversation starts with a real listener question — someone working full-time at an agency while trying to build their own brand on the side — and expands into a deep, honest discussion about agency life, risk, ambition, burnout, financial freedom, and the emotional weight of building something meaningful.

We talk about why:
 • Agency work is one of the most emotionally draining business models
 • Being “busy” is often a sign of misaligned goals, not lack of discipline
 • You should feel overwhelmed in certain seasons — and why that’s normal
 • Financial freedom and time freedom are not the same thing
 • Fear of “losing it all” never fully goes away (and why that’s not a bad thing)

Later in the episode, we shift into a highly tactical discussion around DTC vs retail, cannibalization, and scaling consumer brands the right way — especially for food and beverage companies.

If you’re:
 • Working a full-time job while building something on the side
 • Running an agency and feeling trapped by client work
 • Scaling a DTC brand and considering retail
 • Or struggling with the mental load that comes with success

This episode will feel uncomfortably familiar — in a good way.

⸻

TOPICS COVERED
 • Agency life vs brand ownership
 • When (and when not) to quit your job
 • Low overhead as a strategic advantage
 • Staying in “the suck” in your 20s
 • Financial freedom vs time freedom
 • Why fear can be a feature, not a flaw
 • Retail cannibalization and blended CAC
 • Using DTC to support retail growth
 • How great brands actually scale

⸻

WHO THIS EPISODE IS FOR
Founders, operators, marketers, agency owners, and anyone trying to build leverage without burning out — especially if you’re ambitious, capable, and still feel behind.</p>]]>
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      <title>The Most Valuable Marketing Conversation You’ll Watch in 2026</title>
      <description>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

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In this episode, we bring together four experienced operators, founders, and marketers to answer one deceptively simple question:

What’s the most important marketing advice that actually works today?

No fluff. No theory. Just tactical, real-world insights you can apply immediately—whether you’re launching your first product, scaling a DTC brand, or trying to cut through a louder, more crowded market than ever before.

We cover everything from conversion-rate wins and offer testing, to brand positioning, community-driven growth, and content that doesn’t feel like ads. You’ll hear firsthand lessons from building and scaling consumer brands across e-commerce, CPG, retail, and performance marketing—plus how AI and changing buyer behavior are reshaping the playbook in real time.

What you’ll learn in this episode:
 • Why dollar-off offers often outperform percentage discounts (and how to test it properly)
 • The real reason most marketing advice fails to convert
 • How to think about your second product—and when not to
 • Why focusing on one growth channel beats spreading yourself thin
 • How brands like Dad Gang built momentum by keeping things painfully simple
 • Why community, channels, tools for long-term brand growth
 • How to create content that puts the customer at the center, not the product
 • What founders are noticing about Google Ads, search decline, and AI disruption
 • Why storytelling and real-world community experiences are becoming the most powerful form of marketing

This episode is especially valuable if you:
 • Run or are starting a DTC or consumer brand
 • Feel overwhelmed by tools, tactics, and “growth hacks”
 • Want to build a brand people actually care about—not just click on
 • Are trying to adapt to AI-driven changes in search, ads, and discovery

If you’re tired of vague advice and want clear thinking from people actually doing the work, this one’s for you.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/pos...

In this episode, we bring together four experienced operators, founders, and marketers to answer one deceptively simple question:

What’s the most important marketing advice that actually works today?

No fluff. No theory. Just tactical, real-world insights you can apply immediately—whether you’re launching your first product, scaling a DTC brand, or trying to cut through a louder, more crowded market than ever before.

We cover everything from conversion-rate wins and offer testing, to brand positioning, community-driven growth, and content that doesn’t feel like ads. You’ll hear firsthand lessons from building and scaling consumer brands across e-commerce, CPG, retail, and performance marketing—plus how AI and changing buyer behavior are reshaping the playbook in real time.

What you’ll learn in this episode:
 • Why dollar-off offers often outperform percentage discounts (and how to test it properly)
 • The real reason most marketing advice fails to convert
 • How to think about your second product—and when not to
 • Why focusing on one growth channel beats spreading yourself thin
 • How brands like Dad Gang built momentum by keeping things painfully simple
 • Why community, channels, tools for long-term brand growth
 • How to create content that puts the customer at the center, not the product
 • What founders are noticing about Google Ads, search decline, and AI disruption
 • Why storytelling and real-world community experiences are becoming the most powerful form of marketing

This episode is especially valuable if you:
 • Run or are starting a DTC or consumer brand
 • Feel overwhelmed by tools, tactics, and “growth hacks”
 • Want to build a brand people actually care about—not just click on
 • Are trying to adapt to AI-driven changes in search, ads, and discovery

If you’re tired of vague advice and want clear thinking from people actually doing the work, this one’s for you.</itunes:summary>
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In this episode, we bring together four experienced operators, founders, and marketers to answer one deceptively simple question:

What’s the most important marketing advice that actually works today?

No fluff. No theory. Just tactical, real-world insights you can apply immediately—whether you’re launching your first product, scaling a DTC brand, or trying to cut through a louder, more crowded market than ever before.

We cover everything from conversion-rate wins and offer testing, to brand positioning, community-driven growth, and content that doesn’t feel like ads. You’ll hear firsthand lessons from building and scaling consumer brands across e-commerce, CPG, retail, and performance marketing—plus how AI and changing buyer behavior are reshaping the playbook in real time.

What you’ll learn in this episode:
 • Why dollar-off offers often outperform percentage discounts (and how to test it properly)
 • The real reason most marketing advice fails to convert
 • How to think about your second product—and when not to
 • Why focusing on one growth channel beats spreading yourself thin
 • How brands like Dad Gang built momentum by keeping things painfully simple
 • Why community, channels, tools for long-term brand growth
 • How to create content that puts the customer at the center, not the product
 • What founders are noticing about Google Ads, search decline, and AI disruption
 • Why storytelling and real-world community experiences are becoming the most powerful form of marketing

This episode is especially valuable if you:
 • Run or are starting a DTC or consumer brand
 • Feel overwhelmed by tools, tactics, and “growth hacks”
 • Want to build a brand people actually care about—not just click on
 • Are trying to adapt to AI-driven changes in search, ads, and discovery

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      <description>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/



Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 



Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/post-purchase-checklist



Description:



In this episode, John Coyle, Nick Shackelford, and Bart Sinofsky play a game: guessing whether an entrepreneur is running a $1 million or $100 million business based solely on the questions they ask.





The trio dives deep into the specific challenges faced at different stages of growth. They discuss how to curate a "content diet" that actually moves the needle, the myth of juggling multiple businesses successfully, and the "T-shaped" focus required to scale. They also break down how to identify winning products, sharing the origin story of Dad Gang and how to spot "tailwinds" in your own brand.



In This Episode, We Cover:



The "Guru" vs. Operator Dilemma We debate how to distinguish between legitimate advice and "gurus" who make money teaching rather than doing. The hosts break down who to follow for specific skills, including recommendations for Alex Hormozi for general business wisdom, Dara Denney for creative strategy, and Nick Theriot for media buying frameworks. They also discuss why 8-figure founders should eventually stop looking for "hacks" and start hiring specialized consultants.



Mastering Focus: Juggling vs. Deep Work Nick Shackelford explains how he manages five publicly visible companies by building infrastructure and having assistants dedicated to specific areas. In contrast, John Coyle introduces the "T-Shaped" focus theory—the idea that you can only have one "main thing" while other opportunities must serve that main goal. We also share a counter-intuitive productivity hack: using scheduled calls to force "deep work" and block out distractions like Slack.



Identifying Winning Products How do you know if you have a winner? Bart shares the Dad Gang origin story, explaining how selling the first 100 hats to friends and family provided the immediate signal needed to double down. The group also discusses the "Smoke Test" method for testing demand and why you must be a genuine consumer of your own market to find product-market fit.



Solving Business Constraints Why asking "Should I be on TikTok Shop?" is usually a sign of pain or lack of traction elsewhere. John explains the "Biggest Constraint" theory—why you must focus all effort on the single biggest problem in the business—and argues that if you think you have "no big problems," you simply haven't added enough zeros to your revenue goals to break the system.</description>
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Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 



Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/post-purchase-checklist



Description:



In this episode, John Coyle, Nick Shackelford, and Bart Sinofsky play a game: guessing whether an entrepreneur is running a $1 million or $100 million business based solely on the questions they ask.





The trio dives deep into the specific challenges faced at different stages of growth. They discuss how to curate a "content diet" that actually moves the needle, the myth of juggling multiple businesses successfully, and the "T-shaped" focus required to scale. They also break down how to identify winning products, sharing the origin story of Dad Gang and how to spot "tailwinds" in your own brand.



In This Episode, We Cover:



The "Guru" vs. Operator Dilemma We debate how to distinguish between legitimate advice and "gurus" who make money teaching rather than doing. The hosts break down who to follow for specific skills, including recommendations for Alex Hormozi for general business wisdom, Dara Denney for creative strategy, and Nick Theriot for media buying frameworks. They also discuss why 8-figure founders should eventually stop looking for "hacks" and start hiring specialized consultants.



Mastering Focus: Juggling vs. Deep Work Nick Shackelford explains how he manages five publicly visible companies by building infrastructure and having assistants dedicated to specific areas. In contrast, John Coyle introduces the "T-Shaped" focus theory—the idea that you can only have one "main thing" while other opportunities must serve that main goal. We also share a counter-intuitive productivity hack: using scheduled calls to force "deep work" and block out distractions like Slack.



Identifying Winning Products How do you know if you have a winner? Bart shares the Dad Gang origin story, explaining how selling the first 100 hats to friends and family provided the immediate signal needed to double down. The group also discusses the "Smoke Test" method for testing demand and why you must be a genuine consumer of your own market to find product-market fit.



Solving Business Constraints Why asking "Should I be on TikTok Shop?" is usually a sign of pain or lack of traction elsewhere. John explains the "Biggest Constraint" theory—why you must focus all effort on the single biggest problem in the business—and argues that if you think you have "no big problems," you simply haven't added enough zeros to your revenue goals to break the system.</itunes:summary>
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<p>Download Your Free Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/post-purchase-checklist</p>
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<p>Mastering Focus: Juggling vs. Deep Work Nick Shackelford explains how he manages five publicly visible companies by building infrastructure and having assistants dedicated to specific areas. In contrast, John Coyle introduces the "T-Shaped" focus theory—the idea that you can only have one "main thing" while other opportunities must serve that main goal. We also share a counter-intuitive productivity hack: using scheduled calls to force "deep work" and block out distractions like Slack.</p>
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<p>Identifying Winning Products How do you know if you have a winner? Bart shares the Dad Gang origin story, explaining how selling the first 100 hats to friends and family provided the immediate signal needed to double down. The group also discusses the "Smoke Test" method for testing demand and why you must be a genuine consumer of your own market to find product-market fit.</p>
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<p>Solving Business Constraints Why asking "Should I be on TikTok Shop?" is usually a sign of pain or lack of traction elsewhere. John explains the "Biggest Constraint" theory—why you must focus all effort on the single biggest problem in the business—and argues that if you think you have "no big problems," you simply haven't added enough zeros to your revenue goals to break the system.</p>]]>
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      <title>How To Sell to 9 Figure Brands</title>
      <description>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Post Purchase Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/post-purchase-checklist

If you’ve ever wondered how to sell to rich people, enterprise accounts, or fast-growing 8 and 9-figure brands, this episode is the most tactical deep dive you’ll find anywhere.

Today, the guys break down — in brutal honesty — exactly how successful founders and marketing leaders WANT to be sold to… and how most people get it embarrassingly wrong.

Featuring:
 • Nick Shackelford — Partner at BREZ, operator behind multiple brands sprinting toward 9 figures
 • Bart S — Founder of Dad Gang, leading an 8-figure brand growing fast
 • John J Coyle — VP of Marketing at Royo Bread Co, another brand approaching 9 figures

Between them, these operators have worked with dozens of top-tier brands, negotiated with SaaS companies, hired agencies, and reviewed thousands of cold pitches. This episode reveals the real buying psychology behind the curtain.

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What You’ll Learn in This Episode

1. How to Sell to 8–9 Figure Brands (Without Cringe Tactics)

2. Why Founders Buy: Maximizing vs. Optimizing Cycles

3. Cold Emails That Actually Work

4. The ONE Way Every 9-Figure Buyer Starts Their Search

5. How to Run Demos That Actually Close

6. Creative Ways SaaS Companies Close Big Accounts

7. Why Building a Personal Brand Lowers Your SaaS Bill

8. BONUS: How to Scale a $1,000/Month Mobile Pet Grooming Service
￼

⸻

This Episode Is For You If…
 • You’re an agency, SaaS founder, service provider, or consultant
 • You’re trying to sell bigger clients without sounding desperate
 • You want to understand how fast-growing brands actually think
 • You want to master cold outreach that doesn’t get instantly deleted
 • You want to create offers 8- and 9-figure operators actually buy

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Timestamps

00:00 – Selling to rich people &amp; 9-figure companies
01:30 – Maximizing vs. optimizing (and how to tell the difference)
03:20 – What commoditized offers must do differently
05:40 – How large teams think about time, workload, and demos
07:00 – Bart’s rule: “I only buy what my friends recommend”
10:00 – Cold email teardown: good vs. terrible examples
12:50 – Why founders hate vague SaaS positioning
14:50 – The dating analogy: why trust beats all outreach
17:30 – How to network with high-level operators
19:00 – Why personal brands give operational leverage
22:00 – Going upmarket: the REAL path (not what gurus tell you)
23:30 – What happens on demos that lose deals
25:40 – How founders think about switching costs
28:00 – Creative SaaS deal structures you’ve never seen
30:00 – The ONE thing bigger than any SaaS discount
32:00 – Why some brands choose one platform for everything
35:00 – Listener question: scaling a luxury pet grooming business
40:00 – Packaging convenience, service, and premium positioning
41:45 – Referral loops, add-ons, and retention mechanics</description>
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      <itunes:summary>Try Attentive: https://www.attentive.com/

Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Post Purchase Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/post-purchase-checklist

If you’ve ever wondered how to sell to rich people, enterprise accounts, or fast-growing 8 and 9-figure brands, this episode is the most tactical deep dive you’ll find anywhere.

Today, the guys break down — in brutal honesty — exactly how successful founders and marketing leaders WANT to be sold to… and how most people get it embarrassingly wrong.

Featuring:
 • Nick Shackelford — Partner at BREZ, operator behind multiple brands sprinting toward 9 figures
 • Bart S — Founder of Dad Gang, leading an 8-figure brand growing fast
 • John J Coyle — VP of Marketing at Royo Bread Co, another brand approaching 9 figures

Between them, these operators have worked with dozens of top-tier brands, negotiated with SaaS companies, hired agencies, and reviewed thousands of cold pitches. This episode reveals the real buying psychology behind the curtain.

---

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

1. How to Sell to 8–9 Figure Brands (Without Cringe Tactics)

2. Why Founders Buy: Maximizing vs. Optimizing Cycles

3. Cold Emails That Actually Work

4. The ONE Way Every 9-Figure Buyer Starts Their Search

5. How to Run Demos That Actually Close

6. Creative Ways SaaS Companies Close Big Accounts

7. Why Building a Personal Brand Lowers Your SaaS Bill

8. BONUS: How to Scale a $1,000/Month Mobile Pet Grooming Service
￼

⸻

This Episode Is For You If…
 • You’re an agency, SaaS founder, service provider, or consultant
 • You’re trying to sell bigger clients without sounding desperate
 • You want to understand how fast-growing brands actually think
 • You want to master cold outreach that doesn’t get instantly deleted
 • You want to create offers 8- and 9-figure operators actually buy

⸻

Timestamps

00:00 – Selling to rich people &amp; 9-figure companies
01:30 – Maximizing vs. optimizing (and how to tell the difference)
03:20 – What commoditized offers must do differently
05:40 – How large teams think about time, workload, and demos
07:00 – Bart’s rule: “I only buy what my friends recommend”
10:00 – Cold email teardown: good vs. terrible examples
12:50 – Why founders hate vague SaaS positioning
14:50 – The dating analogy: why trust beats all outreach
17:30 – How to network with high-level operators
19:00 – Why personal brands give operational leverage
22:00 – Going upmarket: the REAL path (not what gurus tell you)
23:30 – What happens on demos that lose deals
25:40 – How founders think about switching costs
28:00 – Creative SaaS deal structures you’ve never seen
30:00 – The ONE thing bigger than any SaaS discount
32:00 – Why some brands choose one platform for everything
35:00 – Listener question: scaling a luxury pet grooming business
40:00 – Packaging convenience, service, and premium positioning
41:45 – Referral loops, add-ons, and retention mechanics</itunes:summary>
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Try Fuego: https://fuego.io/ 

Download Your Free Post Purchase Checklist: https://www.thedivenewsletter.com/post-purchase-checklist

If you’ve ever wondered how to sell to rich people, enterprise accounts, or fast-growing 8 and 9-figure brands, this episode is the most tactical deep dive you’ll find anywhere.

Today, the guys break down — in brutal honesty — exactly how successful founders and marketing leaders WANT to be sold to… and how most people get it embarrassingly wrong.

Featuring:
 • Nick Shackelford — Partner at BREZ, operator behind multiple brands sprinting toward 9 figures
 • Bart S — Founder of Dad Gang, leading an 8-figure brand growing fast
 • John J Coyle — VP of Marketing at Royo Bread Co, another brand approaching 9 figures

Between them, these operators have worked with dozens of top-tier brands, negotiated with SaaS companies, hired agencies, and reviewed thousands of cold pitches. This episode reveals the real buying psychology behind the curtain.

---

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

1. How to Sell to 8–9 Figure Brands (Without Cringe Tactics)

2. Why Founders Buy: Maximizing vs. Optimizing Cycles

3. Cold Emails That Actually Work

4. The ONE Way Every 9-Figure Buyer Starts Their Search

5. How to Run Demos That Actually Close

6. Creative Ways SaaS Companies Close Big Accounts

7. Why Building a Personal Brand Lowers Your SaaS Bill

8. BONUS: How to Scale a $1,000/Month Mobile Pet Grooming Service
￼

⸻

This Episode Is For You If…
 • You’re an agency, SaaS founder, service provider, or consultant
 • You’re trying to sell bigger clients without sounding desperate
 • You want to understand how fast-growing brands actually think
 • You want to master cold outreach that doesn’t get instantly deleted
 • You want to create offers 8- and 9-figure operators actually buy

⸻

Timestamps

00:00 – Selling to rich people &amp; 9-figure companies
01:30 – Maximizing vs. optimizing (and how to tell the difference)
03:20 – What commoditized offers must do differently
05:40 – How large teams think about time, workload, and demos
07:00 – Bart’s rule: “I only buy what my friends recommend”
10:00 – Cold email teardown: good vs. terrible examples
12:50 – Why founders hate vague SaaS positioning
14:50 – The dating analogy: why trust beats all outreach
17:30 – How to network with high-level operators
19:00 – Why personal brands give operational leverage
22:00 – Going upmarket: the REAL path (not what gurus tell you)
23:30 – What happens on demos that lose deals
25:40 – How founders think about switching costs
28:00 – Creative SaaS deal structures you’ve never seen
30:00 – The ONE thing bigger than any SaaS discount
32:00 – Why some brands choose one platform for everything
35:00 – Listener question: scaling a luxury pet grooming business
40:00 – Packaging convenience, service, and premium positioning
41:45 – Referral loops, add-ons, and retention mechanics</p>]]>
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Zoe and John close out Season 1 with a chaotic, thoughtful, and very human conversation on where eCom is headed, what it takes to build a resonant brand today, and why everyone on the internet is a little bit NeuroSpicy.



This Episode:

In our final episode of the season, it’s just Zoe and John—and somehow they cover everything:



What brands got right (and wrong) about the tariff panic



When to prep for disaster vs. stay the course



How founders use luck, instinct, and hindsight to survive



Talking to your customers (for real, on the phone)



The new blueprint for brands: act like a creator, feel like a friend



Rethinking influencer deals and creator monetization



ADHD, medication, and creativity



The Jackie origin story



Why John talks so damn much



Season reflections + what's coming next



→ Drop a comment: What made The Checkout feel different from every other eCom podcast? We’re reading them all—and building Season 2 around what you say.



Sponsors:

Marpipe – https://www.marpipe.com/

Heatmap.com – https://www.heatmap.com/



Chapters:

00:00 – Intro &amp; why it's just John and Zoe

05:00 – Big takeaways from the year in eCom

11:00 – Preparing vs. reacting: smart founder strategy

18:00 – Tariff fallout and brand-level decision-making

25:00 – Customer calls, brand resonance, and content as connection

33:00 – Brands acting like creators &amp; building vibe-based community

41:00 – Influencer monetization &amp; new deal structures

49:00 – Listener comments, ADHD, and creative trade-offs

1:04:00 – Jackie lore, internal ops, and life structure

1:12:00 – Season reflections, muskrat jokes &amp; what’s next



Follow Our Hosts:

John Coyle

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle

Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/



Nick Shackelford

Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/



Zoe Kahn

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoekahn/



Bart Szaniewski

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef</description>
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      <itunes:summary>Today we talk about ADHD in entrepreneurship and other neurospicyness. We also discuss everything we learned in season one of The Checkout. 



Zoe and John close out Season 1 with a chaotic, thoughtful, and very human conversation on where eCom is headed, what it takes to build a resonant brand today, and why everyone on the internet is a little bit NeuroSpicy.



This Episode:

In our final episode of the season, it’s just Zoe and John—and somehow they cover everything:



What brands got right (and wrong) about the tariff panic



When to prep for disaster vs. stay the course



How founders use luck, instinct, and hindsight to survive



Talking to your customers (for real, on the phone)



The new blueprint for brands: act like a creator, feel like a friend



Rethinking influencer deals and creator monetization



ADHD, medication, and creativity



The Jackie origin story



Why John talks so damn much



Season reflections + what's coming next



→ Drop a comment: What made The Checkout feel different from every other eCom podcast? We’re reading them all—and building Season 2 around what you say.



Sponsors:

Marpipe – https://www.marpipe.com/

Heatmap.com – https://www.heatmap.com/



Chapters:

00:00 – Intro &amp; why it's just John and Zoe

05:00 – Big takeaways from the year in eCom

11:00 – Preparing vs. reacting: smart founder strategy

18:00 – Tariff fallout and brand-level decision-making

25:00 – Customer calls, brand resonance, and content as connection

33:00 – Brands acting like creators &amp; building vibe-based community

41:00 – Influencer monetization &amp; new deal structures

49:00 – Listener comments, ADHD, and creative trade-offs

1:04:00 – Jackie lore, internal ops, and life structure

1:12:00 – Season reflections, muskrat jokes &amp; what’s next



Follow Our Hosts:

John Coyle

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle

Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/



Nick Shackelford

Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/



Zoe Kahn

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoekahn/



Bart Szaniewski

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef</itunes:summary>
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<p>In our final episode of the season, it’s just Zoe and John—and somehow they cover everything:</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>What brands got right (and wrong) about the tariff panic</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>When to prep for disaster vs. stay the course</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>How founders use luck, instinct, and hindsight to survive</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Talking to your customers (for real, on the phone)</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>The new blueprint for brands: act like a creator, feel like a friend</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Rethinking influencer deals and creator monetization</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>ADHD, medication, and creativity</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>The Jackie origin story</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Why John talks so damn much</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Season reflections + what's coming next</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>→ Drop a comment: What made The Checkout feel different from every other eCom podcast? We’re reading them all—and building Season 2 around what you say.</p>
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<p>Sponsors:</p>
<p>Marpipe – https://www.marpipe.com/</p>
<p>Heatmap.com – https://www.heatmap.com/</p>
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<p>Chapters:</p>
<p>00:00 – Intro &amp; why it's just John and Zoe</p>
<p>05:00 – Big takeaways from the year in eCom</p>
<p>11:00 – Preparing vs. reacting: smart founder strategy</p>
<p>18:00 – Tariff fallout and brand-level decision-making</p>
<p>25:00 – Customer calls, brand resonance, and content as connection</p>
<p>33:00 – Brands acting like creators &amp; building vibe-based community</p>
<p>41:00 – Influencer monetization &amp; new deal structures</p>
<p>49:00 – Listener comments, ADHD, and creative trade-offs</p>
<p>1:04:00 – Jackie lore, internal ops, and life structure</p>
<p>1:12:00 – Season reflections, muskrat jokes &amp; what’s next</p>
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<p>Follow Our Hosts:</p>
<p>John Coyle</p>
<p>YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle</p>
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<p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Nick Shackelford</p>
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<p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/</p>
<p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Zoe Kahn</p>
<p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/</p>
<p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoekahn/</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Bart Szaniewski</p>
<p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/</p>
<p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</p>
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In this episode, the crew sits down with Cuts founder Steven Borrelli to talk about his viral open letter to Trump, the fallout from the latest tariffs, and how eCom brands can survive a 145% hit to their margins. We cover survival tactics, pricing strategies, manufacturer loopholes, and why most people on Twitter are getting it wrong.

In This Episode:
Why Steven’s tweet made it to Trump’s inner circle

The difference between a tariff and an embargo (and why this is the latter)

How brands are pulling revenue forward with “pre-tariff” sales

Should you raise prices or add a fee at checkout?

Underground strategies: bonded warehouses, vendor negotiations, offshore CX

Dad Gang’s Coachella moment + Cuts’ Super Bowl party

What actually works when you throw an IRL event

💬 Drop a comment:
Are you adjusting your pricing, your suppliers, or your strategy in response to the tariffs?
What are you seeing in your circle?

Sponsors:
Marpipe – https://www.marpipe.com
Heatmap.com – https://www.heatmap.com

⏱️ Chapters:
00:00 – Intro &amp; why this matters  
07:45 – The Trump letter fallout  
16:15 – Cart fees vs raising prices  
25:30 – Customer trust &amp; surveying  
33:00 – Avoiding tariffs creatively  
42:00 – What brands can actually do  
50:00 – Pricing psychology &amp; tradeoffs  
57:00 – DTC Twitter &amp; tariff fatigue  
1:05:30 – In-person activations  
1:13:00 – Building brand equity  
1:17:30 – Wrap-up &amp; follow Steven


Follow Our Hosts:
Nick Shackelford

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John Coyle

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Steven Borrelli

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Cuts Women: https://www.instagram.com/cutswomen/</description>
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In This Episode:
Why Steven’s tweet made it to Trump’s inner circle

The difference between a tariff and an embargo (and why this is the latter)

How brands are pulling revenue forward with “pre-tariff” sales

Should you raise prices or add a fee at checkout?

Underground strategies: bonded warehouses, vendor negotiations, offshore CX

Dad Gang’s Coachella moment + Cuts’ Super Bowl party

What actually works when you throw an IRL event

💬 Drop a comment:
Are you adjusting your pricing, your suppliers, or your strategy in response to the tariffs?
What are you seeing in your circle?

Sponsors:
Marpipe – https://www.marpipe.com
Heatmap.com – https://www.heatmap.com

⏱️ Chapters:
00:00 – Intro &amp; why this matters  
07:45 – The Trump letter fallout  
16:15 – Cart fees vs raising prices  
25:30 – Customer trust &amp; surveying  
33:00 – Avoiding tariffs creatively  
42:00 – What brands can actually do  
50:00 – Pricing psychology &amp; tradeoffs  
57:00 – DTC Twitter &amp; tariff fatigue  
1:05:30 – In-person activations  
1:13:00 – Building brand equity  
1:17:30 – Wrap-up &amp; follow Steven


Follow Our Hosts:
Nick Shackelford

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Zoe Kahn

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Bart Szaniewski

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Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

Steven Borrelli

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In This Episode:
Why Steven’s tweet made it to Trump’s inner circle

The difference between a tariff and an embargo (and why this is the latter)

How brands are pulling revenue forward with “pre-tariff” sales

Should you raise prices or add a fee at checkout?

Underground strategies: bonded warehouses, vendor negotiations, offshore CX

Dad Gang’s Coachella moment + Cuts’ Super Bowl party

What actually works when you throw an IRL event

💬 Drop a comment:
Are you adjusting your pricing, your suppliers, or your strategy in response to the tariffs?
What are you seeing in your circle?

Sponsors:
Marpipe – https://www.marpipe.com
Heatmap.com – https://www.heatmap.com

⏱️ Chapters:
00:00 – Intro &amp; why this matters  
07:45 – The Trump letter fallout  
16:15 – Cart fees vs raising prices  
25:30 – Customer trust &amp; surveying  
33:00 – Avoiding tariffs creatively  
42:00 – What brands can actually do  
50:00 – Pricing psychology &amp; tradeoffs  
57:00 – DTC Twitter &amp; tariff fatigue  
1:05:30 – In-person activations  
1:13:00 – Building brand equity  
1:17:30 – Wrap-up &amp; follow Steven


Follow Our Hosts:
Nick Shackelford

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Zoe Kahn

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Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle

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Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

Steven Borrelli

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stevenborrelli/

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      <description>This Hidden E-commerce Giant Makes BILLIONS In Plain Sight
How a six-person team with a terrible website quietly built one of the biggest eCom businesses on the internet—and what the rest of us can learn from it.

In This Episode:
There’s a whole sector of eCommerce you’ve probably never thought about—brands that sell needs, not wants. This week, John, Bart, and guest host Nate Lagos break down the wild success of RockAuto.com and how it exposes a blind spot in the DTC playbook. They also debate the current state of AI ads, what actually moves the needle with content, and how to win when you're not the "cool" brand.

Topics Include:

The story behind Rock Auto’s ugly website and beautiful business

Why most of us ignore the biggest slice of eCommerce

Demand capture vs demand creation (and why it matters)

The unsexy B2B opportunity hiding in plain sight

AI-generated ads: actually useful or just a shiny toy?

The real reason to invest more in creative

Nate’s plan to turn non–watch guys into repeat buyers

Like the episode?
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CHAPTERS
00:00 – The $500M Brand Hiding in Plain Sight
07:00 – The Southern Hemisphere of eCom: Selling What People Need
19:00 – Working With Billion-Dollar Brands (And Why They’re Often Clueless)
33:00 – The B2B and Agency Opportunity No One’s Talking About
39:00 – AI Ads: Bad Today, But Getting Closer
59:00 – How Great Creative Actually Gets Made
1:13:00 – Nate’s Plan to Upmarket Original Grain (and a Free Consult)
1:20:00 – Final Thoughts + Watch Industry Tea

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How a six-person team with a terrible website quietly built one of the biggest eCom businesses on the internet—and what the rest of us can learn from it.

In This Episode:
There’s a whole sector of eCommerce you’ve probably never thought about—brands that sell needs, not wants. This week, John, Bart, and guest host Nate Lagos break down the wild success of RockAuto.com and how it exposes a blind spot in the DTC playbook. They also debate the current state of AI ads, what actually moves the needle with content, and how to win when you're not the "cool" brand.

Topics Include:

The story behind Rock Auto’s ugly website and beautiful business

Why most of us ignore the biggest slice of eCommerce

Demand capture vs demand creation (and why it matters)

The unsexy B2B opportunity hiding in plain sight

AI-generated ads: actually useful or just a shiny toy?

The real reason to invest more in creative

Nate’s plan to turn non–watch guys into repeat buyers

Like the episode?
Subscribe and drop a comment—we read every single one.

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CHAPTERS
00:00 – The $500M Brand Hiding in Plain Sight
07:00 – The Southern Hemisphere of eCom: Selling What People Need
19:00 – Working With Billion-Dollar Brands (And Why They’re Often Clueless)
33:00 – The B2B and Agency Opportunity No One’s Talking About
39:00 – AI Ads: Bad Today, But Getting Closer
59:00 – How Great Creative Actually Gets Made
1:13:00 – Nate’s Plan to Upmarket Original Grain (and a Free Consult)
1:20:00 – Final Thoughts + Watch Industry Tea

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How a six-person team with a terrible website quietly built one of the biggest eCom businesses on the internet—and what the rest of us can learn from it.

In This Episode:
There’s a whole sector of eCommerce you’ve probably never thought about—brands that sell needs, not wants. This week, John, Bart, and guest host Nate Lagos break down the wild success of RockAuto.com and how it exposes a blind spot in the DTC playbook. They also debate the current state of AI ads, what actually moves the needle with content, and how to win when you're not the "cool" brand.

Topics Include:

The story behind Rock Auto’s ugly website and beautiful business

Why most of us ignore the biggest slice of eCommerce

Demand capture vs demand creation (and why it matters)

The unsexy B2B opportunity hiding in plain sight

AI-generated ads: actually useful or just a shiny toy?

The real reason to invest more in creative

Nate’s plan to turn non–watch guys into repeat buyers

Like the episode?
Subscribe and drop a comment—we read every single one.

SPONSORS
https://www.marpipe.com
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CHAPTERS
00:00 – The $500M Brand Hiding in Plain Sight
07:00 – The Southern Hemisphere of eCom: Selling What People Need
19:00 – Working With Billion-Dollar Brands (And Why They’re Often Clueless)
33:00 – The B2B and Agency Opportunity No One’s Talking About
39:00 – AI Ads: Bad Today, But Getting Closer
59:00 – How Great Creative Actually Gets Made
1:13:00 – Nate’s Plan to Upmarket Original Grain (and a Free Consult)
1:20:00 – Final Thoughts + Watch Industry Tea

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Today we're chatting layoffs, copywriting breakthroughs, and why the top 10% of spenders might be your only real customers.

We kick things off with a brutally honest conversation about getting fired—how it feels, what it means, and why it might actually be your fault. Then Bart drops a VC-backed horror story, and Nate Lagos (VP Marketing @ Original Grain) helps us reframe the whole conversation. From there, we dive into copywriting tactics, Meta ad strategy, channel fatigue, and why it might be time to stop building brands for everyone.

In this episode:

The guilt spiral of getting let go—and the reality check you might need

Why shame and blame don’t help (but taking responsibility does)

The underrated power of your personal network and digital footprint

How Nate’s team uses website copy to test Meta ads more effectively

Why most brands chasing shiny new channels are wasting time

The case for building brands specifically for the top 10% of earners

Scarcity, storytelling, and the psychology of premium pricing

Deep cuts from brands like Kith, Supreme, Represent, and Carved

💬 Comment below:
What’s the best (or worst) thing that happened to you after getting fired?

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⏱ Chapters:
00:00 – Getting fired: is it ever not your fault?
08:30 – Bart’s horror story VC layoff
18:45 – Blame, shame, and bouncing back
26:30 – The real reason your network matters
34:30 – Why Meta still works (and how to make it work harder)
43:00 – Why most brands should not chase new channels
59:14 – Selling to the top 10%: product, perception, price
01:10:50 – Examples from Kith, Supreme, Represent &amp; more
01:20:55 – Grand Ole Opry collab + closing thoughts

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Nate Lagos

https://x.com/natelagos

https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/

https://open.spotify.com/show/5nULM2GckoiJp7rri3kYt1?si=91ca1f50a35d4656</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2025 16:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:summary>John recently got fired from his job. We reflect on whose fault it was, plus tell stories about losing jobs. 

Today we're chatting layoffs, copywriting breakthroughs, and why the top 10% of spenders might be your only real customers.

We kick things off with a brutally honest conversation about getting fired—how it feels, what it means, and why it might actually be your fault. Then Bart drops a VC-backed horror story, and Nate Lagos (VP Marketing @ Original Grain) helps us reframe the whole conversation. From there, we dive into copywriting tactics, Meta ad strategy, channel fatigue, and why it might be time to stop building brands for everyone.

In this episode:

The guilt spiral of getting let go—and the reality check you might need

Why shame and blame don’t help (but taking responsibility does)

The underrated power of your personal network and digital footprint

How Nate’s team uses website copy to test Meta ads more effectively

Why most brands chasing shiny new channels are wasting time

The case for building brands specifically for the top 10% of earners

Scarcity, storytelling, and the psychology of premium pricing

Deep cuts from brands like Kith, Supreme, Represent, and Carved

💬 Comment below:
What’s the best (or worst) thing that happened to you after getting fired?

📣 Sponsors:
https://www.marpipe.com
https://www.heatmap.com

⏱ Chapters:
00:00 – Getting fired: is it ever not your fault?
08:30 – Bart’s horror story VC layoff
18:45 – Blame, shame, and bouncing back
26:30 – The real reason your network matters
34:30 – Why Meta still works (and how to make it work harder)
43:00 – Why most brands should not chase new channels
59:14 – Selling to the top 10%: product, perception, price
01:10:50 – Examples from Kith, Supreme, Represent &amp; more
01:20:55 – Grand Ole Opry collab + closing thoughts

🎙 Follow Our Hosts:

Nick Shackelford

https://x.com/iamshackelford

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/

https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/


Zoe Kahn

https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/

https://x.com/_zoekahn_

https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn


Bart Szaniewski

https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/

https://x.com/TheSzef


John Coyle

https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle

https://x.com/johnjhcoyle

https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/


Nate Lagos

https://x.com/natelagos

https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/

https://open.spotify.com/show/5nULM2GckoiJp7rri3kYt1?si=91ca1f50a35d4656</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>John recently got fired from his job. We reflect on whose fault it was, plus tell stories about losing jobs. </p><p><br></p><p>Today we're chatting layoffs, copywriting breakthroughs, and why the top 10% of spenders might be your only real customers.</p><p><br></p><p>We kick things off with a brutally honest conversation about getting fired—how it feels, what it means, and why it might actually be your fault. Then Bart drops a VC-backed horror story, and Nate Lagos (VP Marketing @ Original Grain) helps us reframe the whole conversation. From there, we dive into copywriting tactics, Meta ad strategy, channel fatigue, and why it might be time to stop building brands for everyone.</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode:</p><p><br></p><p>The guilt spiral of getting let go—and the reality check you might need</p><p><br></p><p>Why shame and blame don’t help (but taking responsibility does)</p><p><br></p><p>The underrated power of your personal network and digital footprint</p><p><br></p><p>How Nate’s team uses website copy to test Meta ads more effectively</p><p><br></p><p>Why most brands chasing shiny new channels are wasting time</p><p><br></p><p>The case for building brands specifically for the top 10% of earners</p><p><br></p><p>Scarcity, storytelling, and the psychology of premium pricing</p><p><br></p><p>Deep cuts from brands like Kith, Supreme, Represent, and Carved</p><p><br></p><p>💬 Comment below:</p><p>What’s the best (or worst) thing that happened to you after getting fired?</p><p><br></p><p>📣 Sponsors:</p><p>https://www.marpipe.com</p><p>https://www.heatmap.com</p><p><br></p><p>⏱ Chapters:</p><p>00:00 – Getting fired: is it ever not your fault?</p><p>08:30 – Bart’s horror story VC layoff</p><p>18:45 – Blame, shame, and bouncing back</p><p>26:30 – The real reason your network matters</p><p>34:30 – Why Meta still works (and how to make it work harder)</p><p>43:00 – Why most brands should not chase new channels</p><p>59:14 – Selling to the top 10%: product, perception, price</p><p>01:10:50 – Examples from Kith, Supreme, Represent &amp; more</p><p>01:20:55 – Grand Ole Opry collab + closing thoughts</p><p><br></p><p>🎙 Follow Our Hosts:</p><p><br></p><p>Nick Shackelford</p><p><br></p><p>https://x.com/iamshackelford</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Zoe Kahn</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/</p><p><br></p><p>https://x.com/_zoekahn_</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Bart Szaniewski</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.instagram.com/theszef/</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</p><p><br></p><p>https://x.com/TheSzef</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>John Coyle</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle</p><p><br></p><p>https://x.com/johnjhcoyle</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Nate Lagos</p><p><br></p><p>https://x.com/natelagos</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.linkedin.com/in/natelagos/</p><p><br></p><p>https://open.spotify.com/show/5nULM2GckoiJp7rri3kYt1?si=91ca1f50a35d4656</p>]]>
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      <title> Post Malone, LinkedIn Catfishing, Amazon Buying TikTok, and Our Action Figures</title>
      <description>Today on the checkout we're talking about Post Malone reaching out to work with one of co-hosts brands and the secret "guy behind the guy" who has build Post Malone's empire into an Empire. We also talk about:

How to do -celebrity and influencer collabs
How to build product and personal brand identity. 
The offers by Amazon and OF to buy TikTok
Getting professionally catfished
AI ad hype die down

---

Chat GPT Prompt for Your Personal Action Figure: 

Step 1. Enter a Text Prompt for Your AI Action Figure

Use a template provided, such as:

"Create an image of an action figure in packaging labeled '[Your Label]'. Use the attached photo as a reference for the face. [He/She] is [Height] tall and dressed in [Outfit Description], and holding [Item, e.g., Coffee Mug]. The cardboard section should be [Color]. Include an 'Accessories' section with items like [List Accessories]. Make the design visually appealing and reflective of a [Describe Industry]. Do not include the character image on packaging." This ensures detailed, industry-specific results.

Step 2. Upload a Reference Image for Your AI Action Figure

Upload a clear photo, as ChatGPT uses facial recognition for accuracy.

---

Follow Our Hosts
Nick Shackelford

Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/


Zoe Kahn

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn


Bart Szaniewski

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef


John Coyle

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle

Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

For business inquiries reach out to john@coyle-enterprises.com

----

00:00 Post Malone + Intro
03:59 The Guy Behind Post Malone
08:40 How To Do Celebrity Collabs
16:45 Product Identity
28:57 Personal Action Figures
32:52 Amazon (or OF) to Buy TikTok?
41:09 Professional catfishing
48:56 AI ad hype die down
1:03:38 All of our action figures</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2025 17:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Today on the checkout we're talking about Post Malone reaching out to work with one of co-hosts brands and the secret "guy behind the guy" who has build Post Malone's empire into an Empire. We also talk about:

How to do -celebrity and influencer collabs
How to build product and personal brand identity. 
The offers by Amazon and OF to buy TikTok
Getting professionally catfished
AI ad hype die down

---

Chat GPT Prompt for Your Personal Action Figure: 

Step 1. Enter a Text Prompt for Your AI Action Figure

Use a template provided, such as:

"Create an image of an action figure in packaging labeled '[Your Label]'. Use the attached photo as a reference for the face. [He/She] is [Height] tall and dressed in [Outfit Description], and holding [Item, e.g., Coffee Mug]. The cardboard section should be [Color]. Include an 'Accessories' section with items like [List Accessories]. Make the design visually appealing and reflective of a [Describe Industry]. Do not include the character image on packaging." This ensures detailed, industry-specific results.

Step 2. Upload a Reference Image for Your AI Action Figure

Upload a clear photo, as ChatGPT uses facial recognition for accuracy.

---

Follow Our Hosts
Nick Shackelford

Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/


Zoe Kahn

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn


Bart Szaniewski

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef


John Coyle

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle

Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

For business inquiries reach out to john@coyle-enterprises.com

----

00:00 Post Malone + Intro
03:59 The Guy Behind Post Malone
08:40 How To Do Celebrity Collabs
16:45 Product Identity
28:57 Personal Action Figures
32:52 Amazon (or OF) to Buy TikTok?
41:09 Professional catfishing
48:56 AI ad hype die down
1:03:38 All of our action figures</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Today on the checkout we're talking about Post Malone reaching out to work with one of co-hosts brands and the secret "guy behind the guy" who has build Post Malone's empire into an Empire. We also talk about:</p><p><br></p><p>How to do -celebrity and influencer collabs</p><p>How to build product and personal brand identity. </p><p>The offers by Amazon and OF to buy TikTok</p><p>Getting professionally catfished</p><p>AI ad hype die down</p><p><br></p><p>---</p><p><br></p><p>Chat GPT Prompt for Your Personal Action Figure: </p><p><br></p><p>Step 1. Enter a Text Prompt for Your AI Action Figure</p><p><br></p><p>Use a template provided, such as:</p><p><br></p><p>"Create an image of an action figure in packaging labeled '[Your Label]'. Use the attached photo as a reference for the face. [He/She] is [Height] tall and dressed in [Outfit Description], and holding [Item, e.g., Coffee Mug]. The cardboard section should be [Color]. Include an 'Accessories' section with items like [List Accessories]. Make the design visually appealing and reflective of a [Describe Industry]. Do not include the character image on packaging." This ensures detailed, industry-specific results.</p><p><br></p><p>Step 2. Upload a Reference Image for Your AI Action Figure</p><p><br></p><p>Upload a clear photo, as ChatGPT uses facial recognition for accuracy.</p><p><br></p><p>---</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Follow Our Hosts</strong></p><p>Nick Shackelford</p><p><br></p><p>Twitter/X: <a href="https://x.com/iamshackelford">https://x.com/iamshackelford</a></p><p><br></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/">https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/</a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Zoe Kahn</p><p><br></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/">https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/</a></p><p><br></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Twitter/X: <a href="https://x.com/_zoekahn_">https://x.com/_zoekahn_</a></p><p><br></p><p>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn">https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn</a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Bart Szaniewski</p><p><br></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theszef/">https://www.instagram.com/theszef/</a></p><p><br></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Twitter/X: <a href="https://x.com/TheSzef">https://x.com/TheSzef</a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>John Coyle</p><p><br></p><p>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle">https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle</a></p><p><br></p><p>Twitter/X: <a href="https://x.com/johnjhcoyle">https://x.com/johnjhcoyle</a></p><p><br></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/">https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/</a></p><p><br></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</a></p><p><br></p><p>For business inquiries reach out to john@coyle-enterprises.com</p><p><br></p><p>----</p><p><br></p><p>00:00 Post Malone + Intro</p><p>03:59 The Guy Behind Post Malone</p><p>08:40 How To Do Celebrity Collabs</p><p>16:45 Product Identity</p><p>28:57 Personal Action Figures</p><p>32:52 Amazon (or OF) to Buy TikTok?</p><p>41:09 Professional catfishing</p><p>48:56 AI ad hype die down</p><p>1:03:38 All of our action figures</p>]]>
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      <title>I'm Skeptical of the Kim Kardashian x Nike Collab | The Checkout Ep. 06</title>
      <description>Kim Kardashian is teaming up with Nike with her brand, Skims. We give our takes on this, plus Poppy’s influencer vending machine backlash. From marketing moves to funding philosophies, we’re breaking down what works, what’s overhyped, and what smaller brands can learn from the biggest names in the game.

- Kim Kardashian partners with Nike — genius move or gimmick?
- Why Nike needed this… and why Skims might not have
- What made Poppy’s influencer stunt controversial?
- Was Olipop’s response petty or perfect?
- The rise of Diet Coke as a (maybe satirical?) fitness brand
- Bart’s insane 740-pound marlin fishing story (yep, really)
- Should physical product brands ever raise money?
- The trap of reporting to investors—and when raising might make sense

👇 Subscribe &amp; drop a comment
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Follow Our Hosts

Nick Shackelford
Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/

Zoe Kahn
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn

Bart Szaniewski
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle
Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

Chapters
00:00 – Whatup - let's talk Kim Kardashian x Skims
10:00 – Nike x Skims: who really wins
30:00 – Poppy’s PR stunt &amp; influencer backlash
50:00 – Coke goes prebiotic &amp; Diet Coke gets weird
1:10:00 – Fishing stories &amp; big flexes
1:20:00 – Raising money: smart move or trap?

For business inquiries reach out to john@coyle-enterprises.com</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 18:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Kim Kardashian is teaming up with Nike with her brand, Skims. We give our takes on this, plus Poppy’s influencer vending machine backlash. From marketing moves to funding philosophies, we’re breaking down what works, what’s overhyped, and what smaller brands can learn from the biggest names in the game.

- Kim Kardashian partners with Nike — genius move or gimmick?
- Why Nike needed this… and why Skims might not have
- What made Poppy’s influencer stunt controversial?
- Was Olipop’s response petty or perfect?
- The rise of Diet Coke as a (maybe satirical?) fitness brand
- Bart’s insane 740-pound marlin fishing story (yep, really)
- Should physical product brands ever raise money?
- The trap of reporting to investors—and when raising might make sense

👇 Subscribe &amp; drop a comment
Think we’re wrong about raising money? Make the bull case in the comments.

Check Out Our Sponsors

Marpipe – The only AI ad platform that actually makes sense for creative teams: https://www.marpipe.com

Heatmap.com – Your site’s silent sales coach. Instantly see what’s working (and what isn’t): https://www.heatmap.com


Follow Our Hosts

Nick Shackelford
Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/

Zoe Kahn
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn

Bart Szaniewski
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle
Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

Chapters
00:00 – Whatup - let's talk Kim Kardashian x Skims
10:00 – Nike x Skims: who really wins
30:00 – Poppy’s PR stunt &amp; influencer backlash
50:00 – Coke goes prebiotic &amp; Diet Coke gets weird
1:10:00 – Fishing stories &amp; big flexes
1:20:00 – Raising money: smart move or trap?

For business inquiries reach out to john@coyle-enterprises.com</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Kim Kardashian is teaming up with Nike with her brand, Skims. We give our takes on this, plus Poppy’s influencer vending machine backlash. From marketing moves to funding philosophies, we’re breaking down what works, what’s overhyped, and what smaller brands can learn from the biggest names in the game.</p><p><br></p><p>- Kim Kardashian partners with Nike — genius move or gimmick?</p><p>- Why Nike needed this… and why Skims might not have</p><p>- What made Poppy’s influencer stunt controversial?</p><p>- Was Olipop’s response petty or perfect?</p><p>- The rise of Diet Coke as a (maybe satirical?) fitness brand</p><p>- Bart’s insane 740-pound marlin fishing story (yep, really)</p><p>- Should physical product brands ever raise money?</p><p>- The trap of reporting to investors—and when raising might make sense</p><p><br></p><p>👇 Subscribe &amp; drop a comment</p><p>Think we’re wrong about raising money? Make the bull case in the comments.</p><p><br></p><p>Check Out Our Sponsors</p><p><br></p><p>Marpipe – The only AI ad platform that actually makes sense for creative teams: https://www.marpipe.com</p><p><br></p><p>Heatmap.com – Your site’s silent sales coach. Instantly see what’s working (and what isn’t): https://www.heatmap.com</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Follow Our Hosts</p><p><br></p><p>Nick Shackelford</p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/</p><p><br></p><p>Zoe Kahn</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/</p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_</p><p>YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn</p><p><br></p><p>Bart Szaniewski</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef</p><p><br></p><p>John Coyle</p><p>YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle</p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</p><p><br></p><p>Chapters</p><p>00:00 – Whatup - let's talk Kim Kardashian x Skims</p><p>10:00 – Nike x Skims: who really wins</p><p>30:00 – Poppy’s PR stunt &amp; influencer backlash</p><p>50:00 – Coke goes prebiotic &amp; Diet Coke gets weird</p><p>1:10:00 – Fishing stories &amp; big flexes</p><p>1:20:00 – Raising money: smart move or trap?</p><p><br></p><p>For business inquiries reach out to john@coyle-enterprises.com</p>]]>
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      <title>Adult Sandboxes &amp; How To Sell More Stuff | The Checkout Ep. 5</title>
      <description>If you're not selling something to people while they’re out living life… what are you even doing?
In this episode of The Checkout, John, Zoe, and Bart dive into how brands can break out of the DTC echo chamber and actually stand out—through physical experiences, creative retail, and lo-fi entertainment. From coffee shops with sandboxes to vending machines in front yards, we explore all the ways brands can drive sales outside of Meta ads.
We talk:

Coffee shops with RC cars (yes, really)

Building marketing channels you own


Retail distribution hacks, from state fairs to local shops

Why marketing isn’t just “make another TikTok”

The rise of "social shows" and customer-based content

Product innovation vs. positioning tricks

Why the best marketers spend time thinking, not just executing


💼 Sponsors of This Episode:

Marpipe – Multivariate ad testing made simple. Automate creative testing and scale what works. https://www.marpipe.com

Heatmap.com – Know exactly where users click, scroll, and drop off. Visual analytics that help you optimize conversion. https://www.heatmap.com

⏱️ Chapters:
00:00 – Intro: Coffee shops, sandboxes, and dad RC culture

05:00 – Building brands through experiential retail

12:30 – Creative ways to get into physical retail

20:00 – Innovation vs. repositioning in DTC

35:30 – Social shows and customer-based content

45:00 – Marketing ideas that come from thinking

55:00 – When vacation = better ideation

1:10:00 – Wrap-up: Lazy marketing vs. original thinking

👀 Follow Our Hosts:

Nick Shackelford

Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/


Zoe Kahn

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn


Bart Szaniewski

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef


John Coyle

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle

Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 17:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>If you're not selling something to people while they’re out living life… what are you even doing?
In this episode of The Checkout, John, Zoe, and Bart dive into how brands can break out of the DTC echo chamber and actually stand out—through physical experiences, creative retail, and lo-fi entertainment. From coffee shops with sandboxes to vending machines in front yards, we explore all the ways brands can drive sales outside of Meta ads.
We talk:

Coffee shops with RC cars (yes, really)

Building marketing channels you own


Retail distribution hacks, from state fairs to local shops

Why marketing isn’t just “make another TikTok”

The rise of "social shows" and customer-based content

Product innovation vs. positioning tricks

Why the best marketers spend time thinking, not just executing


💼 Sponsors of This Episode:

Marpipe – Multivariate ad testing made simple. Automate creative testing and scale what works. https://www.marpipe.com

Heatmap.com – Know exactly where users click, scroll, and drop off. Visual analytics that help you optimize conversion. https://www.heatmap.com

⏱️ Chapters:
00:00 – Intro: Coffee shops, sandboxes, and dad RC culture

05:00 – Building brands through experiential retail

12:30 – Creative ways to get into physical retail

20:00 – Innovation vs. repositioning in DTC

35:30 – Social shows and customer-based content

45:00 – Marketing ideas that come from thinking

55:00 – When vacation = better ideation

1:10:00 – Wrap-up: Lazy marketing vs. original thinking

👀 Follow Our Hosts:

Nick Shackelford

Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/


Zoe Kahn

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn


Bart Szaniewski

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/

Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef


John Coyle

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle

Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>If you're not selling something to people <em>while</em> they’re out living life… what are you even doing?</p><p>In this episode of <em>The Checkout</em>, John, Zoe, and Bart dive into how brands can break out of the DTC echo chamber and actually stand out—through physical experiences, creative retail, and lo-fi entertainment. From coffee shops with sandboxes to vending machines in front yards, we explore all the ways brands can drive sales <em>outside</em> of Meta ads.</p><p>We talk:</p><ul>
<li>Coffee shops with RC cars (yes, really)</li>
<li>Building marketing channels <em>you own</em>
</li>
<li>Retail distribution hacks, from state fairs to local shops</li>
<li>Why marketing isn’t just “make another TikTok”</li>
<li>The rise of "social shows" and customer-based content</li>
<li>Product innovation vs. positioning tricks</li>
<li>Why the best marketers spend time <em>thinking</em>, not just executing</li>
</ul><p><br></p><p><strong>💼 Sponsors of This Episode:</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Marpipe</strong> – Multivariate ad testing made simple. Automate creative testing and scale what works. <a href="https://www.marpipe.com">https://www.marpipe.com</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Heatmap.com</strong> – Know exactly where users click, scroll, and drop off. Visual analytics that help you optimize conversion. <a href="https://www.heatmap.com">https://www.heatmap.com</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong>⏱️ Chapters:</strong></p><p>00:00 – Intro: Coffee shops, sandboxes, and dad RC culture</p><p><br></p><p>05:00 – Building brands through experiential retail</p><p><br></p><p>12:30 – Creative ways to get into physical retail</p><p><br></p><p>20:00 – Innovation vs. repositioning in DTC</p><p><br></p><p>35:30 – Social shows and customer-based content</p><p><br></p><p>45:00 – Marketing ideas that come from <em>thinking</em></p><p><br></p><p>55:00 – When vacation = better ideation</p><p><br></p><p>1:10:00 – Wrap-up: Lazy marketing vs. original thinking</p><p><br></p><p><strong>👀 Follow Our Hosts:</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Nick Shackelford</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Twitter/X: <a href="https://x.com/iamshackelford">https://x.com/iamshackelford</a></p><p><br></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/">https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/</a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Zoe Kahn</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/">https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/</a></p><p><br></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Twitter/X: <a href="https://x.com/_zoekahn">https://x.com/_zoekahn</a>_</p><p><br></p><p>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn">https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn</a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Bart Szaniewski</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theszef/">https://www.instagram.com/theszef/</a></p><p><br></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Twitter/X: <a href="https://x.com/TheSzef">https://x.com/TheSzef</a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong>John Coyle</strong></p><p><br></p><p>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle">https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle</a></p><p><br></p><p>Twitter/X: <a href="https://x.com/johnjhcoyle">https://x.com/johnjhcoyle</a></p><p><br></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/">https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/</a></p><p><br></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>If You're Not First You Have to Be Weird | The Checkout Episode 04</title>
      <description>If you're not #1 in your category… your only hope might be to get really, really weird.

In this episode of The Checkout, John, Zoe, and Bart (with Shack out this week) dive deep into what it takes to stand out in a saturated market. From Charleston Chew to Dr. Pepper, sliding mitts to Dad Gang hats, we break down the strategies behind products that win by being different—not bigger.

We talk:

- Why weird wins when you're not the category leader
- How packaging and product design can disrupt legacy spaces
- Tootsie Roll, Liquid Death, canned vegetables, and the “X for Y” framework
- What NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals mean for brands
- Why influencer trust is collapsing—and what that means for marketers
- Plus: The underrated brilliance of skit creators like Veronica is Cool

If you’re building a product, a brand, or just love seeing how weird stuff wins, this one’s for you.

-----

💼 Sponsors of This Episode:

Marpipe – The multivariate testing platform built for performance creatives. Discover your best ad combinations faster and scale what works.
👉 https://www.marpipe.com

Heatmap.com – See what your visitors do on your site—where they click, scroll, and drop off. Heatmaps, session replays, and powerful insights to optimize conversion.
👉 https://www.heatmap.com

Chapters:

00:00 – Intro &amp; what this show is about
01:30 – Why weird brands win
08:00 – Product and packaging that stand out
18:00 – Niching down vs. going mass
27:00 – The “X for Y” framework
35:00 – Distribution strategy matters
45:00 – NIL deals and underrated influencers
55:00 – Do people still trust influencers?
1:05:00 – How brands should work with creators
1:15:00 – Wrap up &amp; final thoughts

-------

Follow our hosts: 

Nick Shackelford
Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/

Zoe Kahn
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_
YouTube:  @ZoeKahn  

Bart Szaniewski
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle
YouTube:  @johnjhcoyle  
Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

📩 Business inquiries: john@coyle-enterprises.com</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2025 20:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>If you're not #1 in your category… your only hope might be to get really, really weird.

In this episode of The Checkout, John, Zoe, and Bart (with Shack out this week) dive deep into what it takes to stand out in a saturated market. From Charleston Chew to Dr. Pepper, sliding mitts to Dad Gang hats, we break down the strategies behind products that win by being different—not bigger.

We talk:

- Why weird wins when you're not the category leader
- How packaging and product design can disrupt legacy spaces
- Tootsie Roll, Liquid Death, canned vegetables, and the “X for Y” framework
- What NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals mean for brands
- Why influencer trust is collapsing—and what that means for marketers
- Plus: The underrated brilliance of skit creators like Veronica is Cool

If you’re building a product, a brand, or just love seeing how weird stuff wins, this one’s for you.

-----

💼 Sponsors of This Episode:

Marpipe – The multivariate testing platform built for performance creatives. Discover your best ad combinations faster and scale what works.
👉 https://www.marpipe.com

Heatmap.com – See what your visitors do on your site—where they click, scroll, and drop off. Heatmaps, session replays, and powerful insights to optimize conversion.
👉 https://www.heatmap.com

Chapters:

00:00 – Intro &amp; what this show is about
01:30 – Why weird brands win
08:00 – Product and packaging that stand out
18:00 – Niching down vs. going mass
27:00 – The “X for Y” framework
35:00 – Distribution strategy matters
45:00 – NIL deals and underrated influencers
55:00 – Do people still trust influencers?
1:05:00 – How brands should work with creators
1:15:00 – Wrap up &amp; final thoughts

-------

Follow our hosts: 

Nick Shackelford
Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/

Zoe Kahn
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_
YouTube:  @ZoeKahn  

Bart Szaniewski
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle
YouTube:  @johnjhcoyle  
Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

📩 Business inquiries: john@coyle-enterprises.com</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>If you're not #1 in your category… your only hope might be to get really, really weird.</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode of The Checkout, John, Zoe, and Bart (with Shack out this week) dive deep into what it takes to stand out in a saturated market. From Charleston Chew to Dr. Pepper, sliding mitts to Dad Gang hats, we break down the strategies behind products that win by being different—not bigger.</p><p><br></p><p>We talk:</p><p><br></p><p>- Why weird wins when you're not the category leader</p><p>- How packaging and product design can disrupt legacy spaces</p><p>- Tootsie Roll, Liquid Death, canned vegetables, and the “X for Y” framework</p><p>- What NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals mean for brands</p><p>- Why influencer trust is collapsing—and what that means for marketers</p><p>- Plus: The underrated brilliance of skit creators like Veronica is Cool</p><p><br></p><p>If you’re building a product, a brand, or just love seeing how weird stuff wins, this one’s for you.</p><p><br></p><p>-----</p><p><br></p><p>💼 Sponsors of This Episode:</p><p><br></p><p>Marpipe – The multivariate testing platform built for performance creatives. Discover your best ad combinations faster and scale what works.</p><p>👉 https://www.marpipe.com</p><p><br></p><p>Heatmap.com – See what your visitors do on your site—where they click, scroll, and drop off. Heatmaps, session replays, and powerful insights to optimize conversion.</p><p>👉 https://www.heatmap.com</p><p><br></p><p>Chapters:</p><p><br></p><p>00:00 – Intro &amp; what this show is about</p><p>01:30 – Why weird brands win</p><p>08:00 – Product and packaging that stand out</p><p>18:00 – Niching down vs. going mass</p><p>27:00 – The “X for Y” framework</p><p>35:00 – Distribution strategy matters</p><p>45:00 – NIL deals and underrated influencers</p><p>55:00 – Do people still trust influencers?</p><p>1:05:00 – How brands should work with creators</p><p>1:15:00 – Wrap up &amp; final thoughts</p><p><br></p><p>-------</p><p><br></p><p>Follow our hosts: </p><p><br></p><p>Nick Shackelford</p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/</p><p><br></p><p>Zoe Kahn</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/</p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_</p><p>YouTube:  @ZoeKahn  </p><p><br></p><p>Bart Szaniewski</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef</p><p><br></p><p>John Coyle</p><p>YouTube:  @johnjhcoyle  </p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</p><p><br></p><p>📩 Business inquiries: john@coyle-enterprises.com</p>]]>
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      <title>You Can make Money Or Get Rich, But Not Both | The Checkout Ep. 03</title>
      <description>Today we're talking about how some businesses can make you a lot of money while others can make you rich, but almost none of them will get you both. 

⚡ Subscribe for more eCommerce insights, brand breakdowns, and unfiltered takes!

📢 Follow us on social media:

Nick Shackelford
Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/

Zoe Kahn
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_
YouTube:  @ZoeKahn  

Bart Szaniewski
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle
YouTube:  @johnjhcoyle  
Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

📩 Business inquiries: john@coyle-enterprises.com

Chapters
00:00:00 You can get rich or make money
00:30 Long term business vs money grab
00:10:09 Guest Appearance from the Fidget Spinner King
00:20:00 When to go full-time in your business
00:28:20 Product expansion
00:54:00 Hard working belts
 01:07:40 Products as Marketing
01:10:49 Bye</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Modern Commerce Media</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Today we're talking about how some businesses can make you a lot of money while others can make you rich, but almost none of them will get you both. 

⚡ Subscribe for more eCommerce insights, brand breakdowns, and unfiltered takes!

📢 Follow us on social media:

Nick Shackelford
Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/

Zoe Kahn
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_
YouTube:  @ZoeKahn  

Bart Szaniewski
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle
YouTube:  @johnjhcoyle  
Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

📩 Business inquiries: john@coyle-enterprises.com

Chapters
00:00:00 You can get rich or make money
00:30 Long term business vs money grab
00:10:09 Guest Appearance from the Fidget Spinner King
00:20:00 When to go full-time in your business
00:28:20 Product expansion
00:54:00 Hard working belts
 01:07:40 Products as Marketing
01:10:49 Bye</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Today we're talking about how some businesses can make you a lot of money while others can make you rich, but almost none of them will get you both. </p><p><br></p><p>⚡ Subscribe for more eCommerce insights, brand breakdowns, and unfiltered takes!</p><p><br></p><p>📢 Follow us on social media:</p><p><br></p><p>Nick Shackelford</p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/</p><p><br></p><p>Zoe Kahn</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/</p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_</p><p>YouTube:  @ZoeKahn  </p><p><br></p><p>Bart Szaniewski</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/</p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef</p><p><br></p><p>John Coyle</p><p>YouTube:  @johnjhcoyle  </p><p>Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle</p><p>Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/</p><p><br></p><p>📩 Business inquiries: john@coyle-enterprises.com</p><p><br></p><p>Chapters</p><p>00:00:00 You can get rich or make money</p><p>00:30 Long term business vs money grab</p><p>00:10:09 Guest Appearance from the Fidget Spinner King</p><p>00:20:00 When to go full-time in your business</p><p>00:28:20 Product expansion</p><p>00:54:00 Hard working belts</p><p> 01:07:40 Products as Marketing</p><p>01:10:49 Bye</p>]]>
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      <title>How To Get Celebrities To Use Your Product | The Checkout Ep. 02</title>
      <description>In this episode of The Checkout, we dive into a wild challenge—getting LeBron James to wear a DadGang hat! 🧢💥 Host [Your Name] is joined by DadGang co-founder Bart to brainstorm how to pull off this viral stunt. From designing the perfect hat to leveraging social media for maximum hype, we break down what makes challenge content work and why it could be a game-changer for brands.

We also discuss:

How challenge-based content can drive organic and paid marketing success
The balance between hype and inventory planning in eCommerce
The art of making content that works for both entertainment &amp; advertising
A deep dive into neurodivergence in entrepreneurship (surprise self-discovery moment!)
The wild world of brand projections and why most companies get them totally wrong
This episode is packed with insights, laughs, and some hard truths about growing a brand. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe if you love these convos! 🔥💡

⚡ Subscribe for more eCommerce insights, brand breakdowns, and unfiltered takes!

📢 Follow us on social media:

Nick Shackelford
Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/

Zoe Kahn
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_
YouTube:  @ZoeKahn  

Bart Szaniewski
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle
YouTube:  @johnjhcoyle  
Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

📩 Business inquiries: john@coyle-enterprises.com

Chapters: 

0:00 - Intro: The LeBron Hat Challenge 
2:22 - S/O Marpipe
4:01 - The viral content formula for brands 
7:22 - A real lawyer tells us if this is legal
10:46 - How I'd do it
15:29 - S/O Heatmap
16:45 - Sneaky ads
22:44 - What do you do when your numbers aren't hitting
31:53 - When is it the agency's fault?
37:22 - We love Marpipe
39:07 - Customer centric projections
51:47 - We love Heatmap
53:18 - Logistics and customer service vs marketing
59:50 - Neurospicy announcement
1:11:20 - Bye now</description>
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      <itunes:summary>In this episode of The Checkout, we dive into a wild challenge—getting LeBron James to wear a DadGang hat! 🧢💥 Host [Your Name] is joined by DadGang co-founder Bart to brainstorm how to pull off this viral stunt. From designing the perfect hat to leveraging social media for maximum hype, we break down what makes challenge content work and why it could be a game-changer for brands.

We also discuss:

How challenge-based content can drive organic and paid marketing success
The balance between hype and inventory planning in eCommerce
The art of making content that works for both entertainment &amp; advertising
A deep dive into neurodivergence in entrepreneurship (surprise self-discovery moment!)
The wild world of brand projections and why most companies get them totally wrong
This episode is packed with insights, laughs, and some hard truths about growing a brand. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe if you love these convos! 🔥💡

⚡ Subscribe for more eCommerce insights, brand breakdowns, and unfiltered takes!

📢 Follow us on social media:

Nick Shackelford
Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/

Zoe Kahn
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_
YouTube:  @ZoeKahn  

Bart Szaniewski
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle
YouTube:  @johnjhcoyle  
Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/

📩 Business inquiries: john@coyle-enterprises.com

Chapters: 

0:00 - Intro: The LeBron Hat Challenge 
2:22 - S/O Marpipe
4:01 - The viral content formula for brands 
7:22 - A real lawyer tells us if this is legal
10:46 - How I'd do it
15:29 - S/O Heatmap
16:45 - Sneaky ads
22:44 - What do you do when your numbers aren't hitting
31:53 - When is it the agency's fault?
37:22 - We love Marpipe
39:07 - Customer centric projections
51:47 - We love Heatmap
53:18 - Logistics and customer service vs marketing
59:50 - Neurospicy announcement
1:11:20 - Bye now</itunes:summary>
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      <title>Why Are All These Famous Men Starting Alcohol Brands? | The Checkout Ep. 01</title>
      <description>Why do so many famous men have alcohol brands?

Welcome back to The Checkout Podcast, where we break down the latest in eCommerce, brand building, and digital culture—with a little chaos along the way. In this episode, we get into:

💥 Why every famous guy has an alcohol brand (The Rock, Ryan Reynolds, Kevin Hart—what’s the deal?)
💥 The rise of cannabis beverages and new mind-altering brands
💥 AI in eCommerce—will it replace human jobs or just make brands more efficient?
💥 The fraud problem nobody talks about: chargebacks, scams, and fake refunds
💥 Agency drama: When should agencies take credit for a brand's success?

📢 Featuring:
🚀 Zoe Kahn - CEO of The Inevitable Agency, early team member at Ghost &amp; Chomps
👕 Bart Szaniewski - Co-founder of Dad Gang, eCommerce veteran
⚡ Nick Shackelford - Partner and Head of Retention at Brez and a serial entrepreneur
🎤 John Coyle - Typical white guy who talks a lot and thinks others MUST want to hear his opinions.

⚡ Subscribe for more eCommerce insights, brand breakdowns, and unfiltered takes!

📢 Follow us on social media:

Nick Shackelford
Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/

Zoe Kahn
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn

Bart Szaniewski
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle
Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/


📩 Business inquiries: john@coyle-enterprises.com

Chapters: 
00:00 - Welcome to The Checkout Podcast 🎙️
02:15 - Meet the crew: Who’s on today’s episode?
05:45 - Why do all famous men have an alcohol brand?
10:20 - Alcohol, cannabis, and mind-altering brands: What’s next?
14:50 - The LTV advantage of vice brands vs. other categories
18:35 - Why female celebrities lean toward beauty &amp; wellness brands
22:10 - The psychology behind celebrity brand loyalty
27:05 - Can non-celebrities still win in alcohol &amp; beauty?
30:45 - The cannabis beverage boom &amp; market opportunity
36:00 - eCommerce fraud: The problem nobody talks about
41:30 - Chargebacks, customer scams, and fraud prevention tools
45:15 - AI-powered agents in customer service: Game changer or overhyped?
50:55 - The future of AI in marketing &amp; media buying
55:40 - The Vessi agency drama: When should agencies claim credit?
01:02:15 - Do agencies really help brands scale, or just take credit?
01:08:45 - AI’s impact on eCommerce jobs—will it replace humans?
01:15:30 - When AI starts making purchase decisions for consumers
01:21:55 - Could AI change how we buy everything online?
01:28:20 - Final thoughts &amp; wrap-up</description>
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      <itunes:summary>Why do so many famous men have alcohol brands?

Welcome back to The Checkout Podcast, where we break down the latest in eCommerce, brand building, and digital culture—with a little chaos along the way. In this episode, we get into:

💥 Why every famous guy has an alcohol brand (The Rock, Ryan Reynolds, Kevin Hart—what’s the deal?)
💥 The rise of cannabis beverages and new mind-altering brands
💥 AI in eCommerce—will it replace human jobs or just make brands more efficient?
💥 The fraud problem nobody talks about: chargebacks, scams, and fake refunds
💥 Agency drama: When should agencies take credit for a brand's success?

📢 Featuring:
🚀 Zoe Kahn - CEO of The Inevitable Agency, early team member at Ghost &amp; Chomps
👕 Bart Szaniewski - Co-founder of Dad Gang, eCommerce veteran
⚡ Nick Shackelford - Partner and Head of Retention at Brez and a serial entrepreneur
🎤 John Coyle - Typical white guy who talks a lot and thinks others MUST want to hear his opinions.

⚡ Subscribe for more eCommerce insights, brand breakdowns, and unfiltered takes!

📢 Follow us on social media:

Nick Shackelford
Twitter/X: https://x.com/iamshackelford
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickshackelford/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamnickshackelford/

Zoe Kahn
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_zoekahn_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-kahn-5b61aa129/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/_zoekahn_
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ZoeKahn

Bart Szaniewski
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theszef/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bart-szaniewski-374b1141/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/TheSzef

John Coyle
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnjhcoyle
Twitter/X: https://x.com/johnjhcoyle
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnjhcoyle/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-coyle-1bb231120/


📩 Business inquiries: john@coyle-enterprises.com

Chapters: 
00:00 - Welcome to The Checkout Podcast 🎙️
02:15 - Meet the crew: Who’s on today’s episode?
05:45 - Why do all famous men have an alcohol brand?
10:20 - Alcohol, cannabis, and mind-altering brands: What’s next?
14:50 - The LTV advantage of vice brands vs. other categories
18:35 - Why female celebrities lean toward beauty &amp; wellness brands
22:10 - The psychology behind celebrity brand loyalty
27:05 - Can non-celebrities still win in alcohol &amp; beauty?
30:45 - The cannabis beverage boom &amp; market opportunity
36:00 - eCommerce fraud: The problem nobody talks about
41:30 - Chargebacks, customer scams, and fraud prevention tools
45:15 - AI-powered agents in customer service: Game changer or overhyped?
50:55 - The future of AI in marketing &amp; media buying
55:40 - The Vessi agency drama: When should agencies claim credit?
01:02:15 - Do agencies really help brands scale, or just take credit?
01:08:45 - AI’s impact on eCommerce jobs—will it replace humans?
01:15:30 - When AI starts making purchase decisions for consumers
01:21:55 - Could AI change how we buy everything online?
01:28:20 - Final thoughts &amp; wrap-up</itunes:summary>
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