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    <description>The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide: Where Therapists Live, Breathe, and Practice as Human Beings It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when clinicians must develop a personal brand to market their private practices, and are connecting over social media, engaging in social activism, pushing back against mental health stigma, and facing a whole new style of entrepreneurship. To support you as a whole person, a business owner, and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</description>
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    <itunes:summary>The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide: Where Therapists Live, Breathe, and Practice as Human Beings It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when clinicians must develop a personal brand to market their private practices, and are connecting over social media, engaging in social activism, pushing back against mental health stigma, and facing a whole new style of entrepreneurship. To support you as a whole person, a business owner, and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</itunes:summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide: Where Therapists Live, Breathe, and Practice as Human Beings It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when clinicians must develop a personal brand to market their private practices, and are connecting over social media, engaging in social activism, pushing back against mental health stigma, and facing a whole new style of entrepreneurship. To support you as a whole person, a business owner, and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p>]]>
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Curt and Katie talk with David Smith about neurodiversity-affirming therapy, autism, ADHD, PDA, family systems, and burnout for neurodivergent therapists. David shares both clinical expertise and lived experience as an autistic therapist, offering practical guidance for working more effectively with neurodivergent clients and the families around them.

About Our Guest: K. David Smith, LCSW

K. David Smith, LCSW, is an autistic therapist who provides neurodiversity-affirming, trauma-informed therapy online in 5 states (Oregon, California, Idaho, Vermont, and Florida). He also provides clinical supervision for therapists working toward LCSW or LPC licensure in Oregon, particularly those who are neurodivergent themselves or who are passionate about supporting neurodivergent clients. In addition, he provides consultation, training, and workshops for medical practices and professionals, other therapists, employers, and school districts about ways to become more neurodiversity-affirming and supportive of neurodivergent people.

Key Takeaways

- Therapists often miss neurodivergence entirely and may treat anxiety, depression, or “thought errors” without considering whether a client is struggling in environments that were not built for their nervous system. 


- Neurotypical therapists can work well with neurodivergent clients when they lead with curiosity, attunement, flexibility, and a willingness to adapt how therapy is structured. 


- PDA can look like defiance, but David reframes it as an anxiety- and threat-based response to demands. Traditional rewards and consequences may backfire. 


- Neurodivergence in families is often intergenerational, with different neurotypes shaping attachment, communication, expectations, and family roles. 



- Neurodivergent therapists need more than generic self-care. Sustainable practice may require reducing demands, grounding, rest, and nervous-system-informed regulation. 



Full show notes and transcript will be available at mtsgpodcast.com.



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
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Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>What Therapists Need to Know About Neurodivergent Clients and Families: An Interview with David Smith, LCSW

Curt and Katie talk with David Smith about neurodiversity-affirming therapy, autism, ADHD, PDA, family systems, and burnout for neurodivergent therapists. David shares both clinical expertise and lived experience as an autistic therapist, offering practical guidance for working more effectively with neurodivergent clients and the families around them.

About Our Guest: K. David Smith, LCSW

K. David Smith, LCSW, is an autistic therapist who provides neurodiversity-affirming, trauma-informed therapy online in 5 states (Oregon, California, Idaho, Vermont, and Florida). He also provides clinical supervision for therapists working toward LCSW or LPC licensure in Oregon, particularly those who are neurodivergent themselves or who are passionate about supporting neurodivergent clients. In addition, he provides consultation, training, and workshops for medical practices and professionals, other therapists, employers, and school districts about ways to become more neurodiversity-affirming and supportive of neurodivergent people.

Key Takeaways

- Therapists often miss neurodivergence entirely and may treat anxiety, depression, or “thought errors” without considering whether a client is struggling in environments that were not built for their nervous system. 


- Neurotypical therapists can work well with neurodivergent clients when they lead with curiosity, attunement, flexibility, and a willingness to adapt how therapy is structured. 


- PDA can look like defiance, but David reframes it as an anxiety- and threat-based response to demands. Traditional rewards and consequences may backfire. 


- Neurodivergence in families is often intergenerational, with different neurotypes shaping attachment, communication, expectations, and family roles. 



- Neurodivergent therapists need more than generic self-care. Sustainable practice may require reducing demands, grounding, rest, and nervous-system-informed regulation. 



Full show notes and transcript will be available at mtsgpodcast.com.



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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<p><strong>About Our Guest: K. David Smith, LCSW</strong></p>
<p>K. David Smith, LCSW, is an autistic therapist who provides neurodiversity-affirming, trauma-informed therapy online in 5 states (Oregon, California, Idaho, Vermont, and Florida). He also provides clinical supervision for therapists working toward LCSW or LPC licensure in Oregon, particularly those who are neurodivergent themselves or who are passionate about supporting neurodivergent clients. In addition, he provides consultation, training, and workshops for medical practices and professionals, other therapists, employers, and school districts about ways to become more neurodiversity-affirming and supportive of neurodivergent people.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p>
<p>- Therapists often miss neurodivergence entirely and may treat anxiety, depression, or “thought errors” without considering whether a client is struggling in environments that were not built for their nervous system. </p>
<p>
- Neurotypical therapists can work well with neurodivergent clients when they lead with curiosity, attunement, flexibility, and a willingness to adapt how therapy is structured. </p>
<p>
- PDA can look like defiance, but David reframes it as an anxiety- and threat-based response to demands. Traditional rewards and consequences may backfire. </p>
<p>
- Neurodivergence in families is often intergenerational, with different neurotypes shaping attachment, communication, expectations, and family roles. </p>
<p><br></p>
<p>- Neurodivergent therapists need more than generic self-care. Sustainable practice may require reducing demands, grounding, rest, and nervous-system-informed regulation. </p>
<p><br></p>
<p><em>Full show notes and transcript will be available at mtsgpodcast.com.</em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a><br>
Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a><br>
Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
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      <title>How Clients Experience Therapy: From First Inquiry to the Waiting Room: An Interview with Michael Ashford</title>
      <description>How Clients Experience Therapy: From First Inquiry to the Waiting Room: An Interview with Michael Ashford

Curt and Katie talk with Michael Ashford about how clients experience therapy before the clinical work even begins. They explore what therapists can learn from customer service, communication, and marketing to create a smoother, more supportive experience from first inquiry through intake, onboarding, waiting room logistics, and practice policies. This conversation looks at how clarity, thoughtful systems, and strong boundaries can improve client experience while also supporting therapists.

About the Guest
Michael Ashford is the Senior Director of Marketing at Sign In Solutions and has spent the past decade building and leading marketing teams at companies large and small. Michael is a former award-winning journalist, a two-time TEDx speaker, and holds a Master’s degree in Communication from Kansas State University. Michael’s approach to marketing focuses on scaling companies through the power of effective communication, storytelling, and humanizing brands.

Key Takeaways


  Client experience starts before the first session


  Clear expectations reduce client stress and confusion


  Website messaging, intake, and onboarding should feel seamless


  Waiting room and check-in systems matter more than many therapists realize


  Good customer service includes strong boundaries around time, fees, and cancellations



Full show notes and transcript: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Podcast Homepage: https://mtsgpodcast.com/
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann: https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>How Clients Experience Therapy: From First Inquiry to the Waiting Room: An Interview with Michael Ashford

Curt and Katie talk with Michael Ashford about how clients experience therapy before the clinical work even begins. They explore what therapists can learn from customer service, communication, and marketing to create a smoother, more supportive experience from first inquiry through intake, onboarding, waiting room logistics, and practice policies. This conversation looks at how clarity, thoughtful systems, and strong boundaries can improve client experience while also supporting therapists.

About the Guest
Michael Ashford is the Senior Director of Marketing at Sign In Solutions and has spent the past decade building and leading marketing teams at companies large and small. Michael is a former award-winning journalist, a two-time TEDx speaker, and holds a Master’s degree in Communication from Kansas State University. Michael’s approach to marketing focuses on scaling companies through the power of effective communication, storytelling, and humanizing brands.

Key Takeaways


  Client experience starts before the first session


  Clear expectations reduce client stress and confusion


  Website messaging, intake, and onboarding should feel seamless


  Waiting room and check-in systems matter more than many therapists realize


  Good customer service includes strong boundaries around time, fees, and cancellations



Full show notes and transcript: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Podcast Homepage: https://mtsgpodcast.com/
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann: https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>How Clients Experience Therapy: From First Inquiry to the Waiting Room: An Interview with Michael Ashford</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie talk with Michael Ashford about how clients experience therapy before the clinical work even begins. They explore what therapists can learn from customer service, communication, and marketing to create a smoother, more supportive experience from first inquiry through intake, onboarding, waiting room logistics, and practice policies. This conversation looks at how clarity, thoughtful systems, and strong boundaries can improve client experience while also supporting therapists.</p>
<p><strong>About the Guest</strong><br>
Michael Ashford is the Senior Director of Marketing at Sign In Solutions and has spent the past decade building and leading marketing teams at companies large and small. Michael is a former award-winning journalist, a two-time TEDx speaker, and holds a Master’s degree in Communication from Kansas State University. Michael’s approach to marketing focuses on scaling companies through the power of effective communication, storytelling, and humanizing brands.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>Client experience starts before the first session
</li>
  <li>Clear expectations reduce client stress and confusion
</li>
  <li>Website messaging, intake, and onboarding should feel seamless
</li>
  <li>Waiting room and check-in systems matter more than many therapists realize
</li>
  <li>Good customer service includes strong boundaries around time, fees, and cancellations
</li>
</ul>
<p>Full show notes and transcript: mtsgpodcast.com</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br>
Podcast Homepage: <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com/">https://mtsgpodcast.com/</a><br>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a><br>
Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
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      <title>Adapting EMDR for Neurodivergent Clients: Parts Work, Attunement, and Affirming Trauma Therapy, An Interview with Cathy Hanville and Christine MacInnis</title>
      <description>Adapting EMDR for Neurodivergent Clients: Parts Work, Attunement, and Affirming Trauma Therapy, An Interview with Cathy Hanville and Christine MacInnis

Curt and Katie talk with Cathy Hanville and Christine MacInnis about how to adapt EMDR for autistic and ADHD clients with more flexibility, safety, and affirming care. They explore why standard protocols can miss important client needs, how parts work can support trauma treatment, and what therapists should consider when working with neurodivergent clients whose trauma is tied to masking, chronic correction, social rejection, and being misunderstood.

In this episode, we talk about:


  
Why EMDR often needs adaptation across all eight phases


  
How parts work can support neurodivergent clients in trauma treatment


  
The impact of masking, correction, and misunderstanding as trauma


  
Sensory, communication, and processing differences therapists need to consider


  
Moving away from compliance-based care toward attunement and collaboration



About the guests

Christine MacInnis, MSed, MS, LMFT owns Transcends Family Therapy in Torrance, California, specializing in neurodiversity and LGBTQIA+ affirming, trauma-informed care. She is additionally licensed in Arizona and Ohio, is an EMDRIA-approved consultant, and provides advanced training on neurodiversity-affirming EMDR, ADHD, and autism. Learn more at www.transcendstherapy.com.

Cathy Hanville, LCSW (They/She) is a licensed clinical social worker in Pennsylvania and California, an EMDRIA-approved consultant, and a continuing education provider. They help therapists identify blind spots so they can provide gender- and neurodiversity-affirming care. Learn more at www.cathyhanville.com.

Cathy and Christine are under contract with Norton Publishing to write Neurodivergent Paths to Healing: Affirming EMDR and Parts Work for Autistic and ADHD Clients, expected in early 2027.

Key takeaways


  
Therapists often need to adapt EMDR for every client, not just neurodivergent clients


  
Neurodivergent-affirming EMDR requires flexibility, collaboration, and sensory awareness


  
Parts work can help therapists better understand protection, shame, and responses often mislabeled as resistance


  
Many neurodivergent clients carry trauma tied to masking, chronic correction, and social rejection



Full show notes and transcript: https://mtsgpodcast.com

Join our community


  
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast


  
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined


  
Podcast Homepage: https://mtsgpodcast.com


  
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits


  
Voice Over by DW McCann: https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/


  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/abd02846-294e-11f1-811d-473e2458475a/image/a3476fa03e60847720115accc0783e0b.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Adapting EMDR for Neurodivergent Clients: Parts Work, Attunement, and Affirming Trauma Therapy, An Interview with Cathy Hanville and Christine MacInnis

Curt and Katie talk with Cathy Hanville and Christine MacInnis about how to adapt EMDR for autistic and ADHD clients with more flexibility, safety, and affirming care. They explore why standard protocols can miss important client needs, how parts work can support trauma treatment, and what therapists should consider when working with neurodivergent clients whose trauma is tied to masking, chronic correction, social rejection, and being misunderstood.

In this episode, we talk about:


  
Why EMDR often needs adaptation across all eight phases


  
How parts work can support neurodivergent clients in trauma treatment


  
The impact of masking, correction, and misunderstanding as trauma


  
Sensory, communication, and processing differences therapists need to consider


  
Moving away from compliance-based care toward attunement and collaboration



About the guests

Christine MacInnis, MSed, MS, LMFT owns Transcends Family Therapy in Torrance, California, specializing in neurodiversity and LGBTQIA+ affirming, trauma-informed care. She is additionally licensed in Arizona and Ohio, is an EMDRIA-approved consultant, and provides advanced training on neurodiversity-affirming EMDR, ADHD, and autism. Learn more at www.transcendstherapy.com.

Cathy Hanville, LCSW (They/She) is a licensed clinical social worker in Pennsylvania and California, an EMDRIA-approved consultant, and a continuing education provider. They help therapists identify blind spots so they can provide gender- and neurodiversity-affirming care. Learn more at www.cathyhanville.com.

Cathy and Christine are under contract with Norton Publishing to write Neurodivergent Paths to Healing: Affirming EMDR and Parts Work for Autistic and ADHD Clients, expected in early 2027.

Key takeaways


  
Therapists often need to adapt EMDR for every client, not just neurodivergent clients


  
Neurodivergent-affirming EMDR requires flexibility, collaboration, and sensory awareness


  
Parts work can help therapists better understand protection, shame, and responses often mislabeled as resistance


  
Many neurodivergent clients carry trauma tied to masking, chronic correction, and social rejection



Full show notes and transcript: https://mtsgpodcast.com

Join our community


  
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast


  
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined


  
Podcast Homepage: https://mtsgpodcast.com


  
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits


  
Voice Over by DW McCann: https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/


  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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</p>
<p><strong>Adapting EMDR for Neurodivergent Clients: Parts Work, Attunement, and Affirming Trauma Therapy, An Interview with Cathy Hanville and Christine MacInnis</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie talk with Cathy Hanville and Christine MacInnis about how to adapt EMDR for autistic and ADHD clients with more flexibility, safety, and affirming care. They explore why standard protocols can miss important client needs, how parts work can support trauma treatment, and what therapists should consider when working with neurodivergent clients whose trauma is tied to masking, chronic correction, social rejection, and being misunderstood.</p>
<p><strong>In this episode, we talk about:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
Why EMDR often needs adaptation across all eight phases
</li>
  <li>
How parts work can support neurodivergent clients in trauma treatment
</li>
  <li>
The impact of masking, correction, and misunderstanding as trauma
</li>
  <li>
Sensory, communication, and processing differences therapists need to consider
</li>
  <li>
Moving away from compliance-based care toward attunement and collaboration
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>About the guests</strong></p>
<p><strong>Christine MacInnis, MSed, MS, LMFT</strong> owns Transcends Family Therapy in Torrance, California, specializing in neurodiversity and LGBTQIA+ affirming, trauma-informed care. She is additionally licensed in Arizona and Ohio, is an EMDRIA-approved consultant, and provides advanced training on neurodiversity-affirming EMDR, ADHD, and autism. Learn more at <a href="http://www.transcendstherapy.com">www.transcendstherapy.com</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Cathy Hanville, LCSW (They/She)</strong> is a licensed clinical social worker in Pennsylvania and California, an EMDRIA-approved consultant, and a continuing education provider. They help therapists identify blind spots so they can provide gender- and neurodiversity-affirming care. Learn more at <a href="http://www.cathyhanville.com">www.cathyhanville.com</a>.</p>
<p>Cathy and Christine are under contract with Norton Publishing to write <strong>Neurodivergent Paths to Healing: Affirming EMDR and Parts Work for Autistic and ADHD Clients</strong>, expected in early 2027.</p>
<p><strong>Key takeaways</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
Therapists often need to adapt EMDR for every client, not just neurodivergent clients
</li>
  <li>
Neurodivergent-affirming EMDR requires flexibility, collaboration, and sensory awareness
</li>
  <li>
Parts work can help therapists better understand protection, shame, and responses often mislabeled as resistance
</li>
  <li>
Many neurodivergent clients carry trauma tied to masking, chronic correction, and social rejection
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Full show notes and transcript:</strong> <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>Join our community</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a>
</li>
  <li>
Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a>
</li>
  <li>
Podcast Homepage: <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a>
</li>
  <li>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
Voice Over by DW McCann: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a>
</li>
  <li>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a>
</li>
</ul>
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    <item>
      <title>When Clients Reject Your Diagnosis: How to Handle Pushback Without Losing the Therapeutic Alliance</title>
      <description>When Clients Reject Your Diagnosis: How to Handle Pushback Without Losing the Therapeutic Alliance

What do you do when your client doesn’t agree with your diagnosis?

Whether it’s a parent resisting an autism or ADHD diagnosis, a client attached to a different label, or someone overwhelmed by what a diagnosis means for their identity, these conversations can feel high-stakes.

In this episode, Curt and Katie explore why clients push back on diagnoses and how to navigate these conversations without damaging the therapeutic relationship. They break down the role of stigma, identity, and real-world consequences, and offer practical strategies for staying collaborative while still doing effective clinical work.

Key Takeaways:


  
Why clients resist diagnoses (stigma, identity, and real-world impact)



  
How to respond without arguing or damaging the alliance



  
When disagreement means your assessment isn’t finished



  
How to focus on function and treatment instead of labels



  
Navigating documentation, insurance, and cultural considerations




Get the full show notes and resources at mtsgpodcast.com.



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Clients Reject Your Diagnosis: How to Handle Pushback Without Losing the Therapeutic Alliance

What do you do when your client doesn’t agree with your diagnosis?

Whether it’s a parent resisting an autism or ADHD diagnosis, a client attached to a different label, or someone overwhelmed by what a diagnosis means for their identity, these conversations can feel high-stakes.

In this episode, Curt and Katie explore why clients push back on diagnoses and how to navigate these conversations without damaging the therapeutic relationship. They break down the role of stigma, identity, and real-world consequences, and offer practical strategies for staying collaborative while still doing effective clinical work.

Key Takeaways:


  
Why clients resist diagnoses (stigma, identity, and real-world impact)



  
How to respond without arguing or damaging the alliance



  
When disagreement means your assessment isn’t finished



  
How to focus on function and treatment instead of labels



  
Navigating documentation, insurance, and cultural considerations




Get the full show notes and resources at mtsgpodcast.com.



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>When Clients Reject Your Diagnosis: How to Handle Pushback Without Losing the Therapeutic Alliance</strong></p>
<p>What do you do when your client doesn’t agree with your diagnosis?</p>
<p>Whether it’s a parent resisting an autism or ADHD diagnosis, a client attached to a different label, or someone overwhelmed by what a diagnosis means for their identity, these conversations can feel high-stakes.</p>
<p>In this episode, Curt and Katie explore why clients push back on diagnoses and how to navigate these conversations without damaging the therapeutic relationship. They break down the role of stigma, identity, and real-world consequences, and offer practical strategies for staying collaborative while still doing effective clinical work.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Why clients resist diagnoses (stigma, identity, and real-world impact)</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>How to respond without arguing or damaging the alliance</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>When disagreement means your assessment isn’t finished</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>How to focus on function and treatment instead of labels</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Navigating documentation, insurance, and cultural considerations</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Get the full show notes and resources at mtsgpodcast.com.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

</p>
<p>

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    <item>
      <title>The Lasting Harm of Conversion Therapy: An Interview with Samuel Nieves</title>
      <description>The Lasting Harm of Conversion Therapy: An Interview with Samuel Nieves

This interview was recorded in November 2025 in anticipation of the Supreme Court ruling in Chiles v. Salazar and released afterward. Rather than focusing on the legal details of the decision, Curt and Katie talk with Samuel Nieves about the harms of conversion therapy, how change efforts can be disguised as therapy, and what clinicians need to understand when working with survivors. Sam shares from his lived experience as a survivor and explains why the deepest harms often involve identity damage, loss of self-trust, and disconnection from one’s own lived experience.



About our guest:Sam Nieves has a Bachelor’s in Psychology. In 2019, he entered grad school to become a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, but left the field after 6 months of clinical experience. Since 2020, Sam has used his personal, clinical, and educational background to support survivors of conversion therapy. He is now a board member of the non-profit organization Conversion Therapy Survivor Network. Sam uses the online name “CantPrayMeAway” to share his own experiences as a client of conversion therapy and advocates for the end of all conversion practices worldwide.



Key takeaways:

Conversion therapy is broader than many therapists realize and can show up in subtle, disguised forms


SOGIECE (sexual orientation and gender identity or expression change efforts) offers a clearer framework for recognizing sexual orientation and gender identity or expression change efforts


The core harm of conversion therapy is often identity damage and loss of self-trust


Even well-intentioned therapeutic tools can become retraumatizing when they are used in the service of changing identity


Survivors may need therapists to move slowly, stay client-centered, and understand that therapy itself may have been part of the harm


Full show notes and transcript: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann: https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>bonus</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/43b3c982-2d6a-11f1-9fd9-d7ccd836bc25/image/020cefe1c2cc07a369a6d528e3f34066.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Lasting Harm of Conversion Therapy: An Interview with Samuel Nieves

This interview was recorded in November 2025 in anticipation of the Supreme Court ruling in Chiles v. Salazar and released afterward. Rather than focusing on the legal details of the decision, Curt and Katie talk with Samuel Nieves about the harms of conversion therapy, how change efforts can be disguised as therapy, and what clinicians need to understand when working with survivors. Sam shares from his lived experience as a survivor and explains why the deepest harms often involve identity damage, loss of self-trust, and disconnection from one’s own lived experience.



About our guest:Sam Nieves has a Bachelor’s in Psychology. In 2019, he entered grad school to become a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, but left the field after 6 months of clinical experience. Since 2020, Sam has used his personal, clinical, and educational background to support survivors of conversion therapy. He is now a board member of the non-profit organization Conversion Therapy Survivor Network. Sam uses the online name “CantPrayMeAway” to share his own experiences as a client of conversion therapy and advocates for the end of all conversion practices worldwide.



Key takeaways:

Conversion therapy is broader than many therapists realize and can show up in subtle, disguised forms


SOGIECE (sexual orientation and gender identity or expression change efforts) offers a clearer framework for recognizing sexual orientation and gender identity or expression change efforts


The core harm of conversion therapy is often identity damage and loss of self-trust


Even well-intentioned therapeutic tools can become retraumatizing when they are used in the service of changing identity


Survivors may need therapists to move slowly, stay client-centered, and understand that therapy itself may have been part of the harm


Full show notes and transcript: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann: https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>The Lasting Harm of Conversion Therapy: An Interview with Samuel Nieves</strong></p>
<p>This interview was recorded in November 2025 in anticipation of the Supreme Court ruling in <em>Chiles v. Salazar</em> and released afterward. Rather than focusing on the legal details of the decision, Curt and Katie talk with Samuel Nieves about the harms of conversion therapy, how change efforts can be disguised as therapy, and what clinicians need to understand when working with survivors. Sam shares from his lived experience as a survivor and explains why the deepest harms often involve identity damage, loss of self-trust, and disconnection from one’s own lived experience.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>About our guest:</strong><br>Sam Nieves has a Bachelor’s in Psychology. In 2019, he entered grad school to become a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, but left the field after 6 months of clinical experience. Since 2020, Sam has used his personal, clinical, and educational background to support survivors of conversion therapy. He is now a board member of the non-profit organization Conversion Therapy Survivor Network. Sam uses the online name “CantPrayMeAway” to share his own experiences as a client of conversion therapy and advocates for the end of all conversion practices worldwide.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key takeaways:</strong></p>
<p>Conversion therapy is broader than many therapists realize and can show up in subtle, disguised forms
</p>
<p>SOGIECE (sexual orientation and gender identity or expression change efforts) offers a clearer framework for recognizing sexual orientation and gender identity or expression change efforts
</p>
<p>The core harm of conversion therapy is often identity damage and loss of self-trust
</p>
<p>Even well-intentioned therapeutic tools can become retraumatizing when they are used in the service of changing identity
</p>
<p>Survivors may need therapists to move slowly, stay client-centered, and understand that therapy itself may have been part of the harm
</p>
<p><em><strong>Full show notes and transcript: mtsgpodcast.com</strong></em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a><br>
Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

</p>]]>
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      <title>The Private Practice Pivot: How Therapists Are Adapting to Platforms, Agency Work, and the Changing Therapy Economy</title>
      <description>The Private Practice Pivot: How Therapists Are Adapting to Platforms, Agency Work, and the Changing Therapy Economy

Are therapists leaving private practice - or simply adapting to a changing mental health economy?

Curt Widhalm, LMFT, and Katie Vernoy, LMFT discuss a growing shift across the profession as therapists pivot between private practice, agency jobs, group practices, and therapy platforms. As referral patterns change, venture-backed platforms grow, and the economics of therapy evolve, many clinicians are reconsidering how they structure their careers.

Curt and Katie explore why therapists are pivoting their practices, how platforms like Headway, Alma, and Rula are shaping the field, and what therapists can do to build sustainable careers in a rapidly changing environment.

Key Takeaways

• Why many therapists are pivoting their private practices
• How therapy platforms and venture capital are reshaping the profession
• The role of agency work, group practices, and hybrid careers
• Why isolation can undermine sustainability in solo practice
• How therapists can design careers that prioritize stability



Full show notes and resources:
mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b9a8b8a4-2177-11f1-906f-a3ca512e0e9f/image/56bee12afb8a2bc8c5f5390f27e75c04.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Private Practice Pivot: How Therapists Are Adapting to Platforms, Agency Work, and the Changing Therapy Economy

Are therapists leaving private practice - or simply adapting to a changing mental health economy?

Curt Widhalm, LMFT, and Katie Vernoy, LMFT discuss a growing shift across the profession as therapists pivot between private practice, agency jobs, group practices, and therapy platforms. As referral patterns change, venture-backed platforms grow, and the economics of therapy evolve, many clinicians are reconsidering how they structure their careers.

Curt and Katie explore why therapists are pivoting their practices, how platforms like Headway, Alma, and Rula are shaping the field, and what therapists can do to build sustainable careers in a rapidly changing environment.

Key Takeaways

• Why many therapists are pivoting their private practices
• How therapy platforms and venture capital are reshaping the profession
• The role of agency work, group practices, and hybrid careers
• Why isolation can undermine sustainability in solo practice
• How therapists can design careers that prioritize stability



Full show notes and resources:
mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>The Private Practice Pivot: How Therapists Are Adapting to Platforms, Agency Work, and the Changing Therapy Economy</strong></p>
<p>Are therapists leaving private practice - or simply adapting to a changing mental health economy?</p>
<p>Curt Widhalm, LMFT, and Katie Vernoy, LMFT discuss a growing shift across the profession as therapists pivot between private practice, agency jobs, group practices, and therapy platforms. As referral patterns change, venture-backed platforms grow, and the economics of therapy evolve, many clinicians are reconsidering how they structure their careers.</p>
<p>Curt and Katie explore why therapists are pivoting their practices, how platforms like Headway, Alma, and Rula are shaping the field, and what therapists can do to build sustainable careers in a rapidly changing environment.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p>
<p>• Why many therapists are pivoting their private practices<br>
• How therapy platforms and venture capital are reshaping the profession<br>
• The role of agency work, group practices, and hybrid careers<br>
• Why isolation can undermine sustainability in solo practice<br>
• How therapists can design careers that prioritize stability</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Full show notes and resources:</strong><br>
mtsgpodcast.com</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong></p>
<p>Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a><br>
Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann<br><a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano<br><a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

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      <title>Is Independent Private Practice Sustainable? Data on Caseloads, Insurance &amp; Income – An Interview with Lindsay Oberleitner, PhD</title>
      <description>Is Independent Private Practice Sustainable? Data on Caseloads, Insurance &amp; Income

Is independent private practice still financially sustainable?

Curt and Katie sit down with Lindsay Oberleitner, PhD, Director of Clinical Strategy at SimplePractice, to examine national data on caseload trends, insurance participation, income realities, and therapist burnout. Drawing from Lindsay's research at SimplePractice, they explore whether independent private practice is truly viable long term - and what clinicians need to understand to remain financially and professionally sustainable.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why some clinicians are seeing declining caseloads despite high demand for mental health care
• Typical full-time caseload ranges in independent private practice
• How insurance participation is shifting year over year
• The financial impact of reimbursement rates and overhead costs
• Why burnout is both a personal and systemic issue
• The significant role independent private practice plays in delivering outpatient behavioral health care across the United States

Independent private practice represents an estimated 15–20% of outpatient behavioral health services. This episode helps therapists think strategically about income, sustainability, visibility, and long-term viability in today’s healthcare landscape.

For full show notes and resources, visit mtsgpodcast.com.

Join the Modern Therapist Community:

• Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
• Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined
• Podcast Homepage: https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast-episodes/

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/c61a244c-1768-11f1-ae49-3322725dc079/image/46e1be6d70f3715c0483475f7e6e8a30.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is Independent Private Practice Sustainable? Data on Caseloads, Insurance &amp; Income

Is independent private practice still financially sustainable?

Curt and Katie sit down with Lindsay Oberleitner, PhD, Director of Clinical Strategy at SimplePractice, to examine national data on caseload trends, insurance participation, income realities, and therapist burnout. Drawing from Lindsay's research at SimplePractice, they explore whether independent private practice is truly viable long term - and what clinicians need to understand to remain financially and professionally sustainable.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why some clinicians are seeing declining caseloads despite high demand for mental health care
• Typical full-time caseload ranges in independent private practice
• How insurance participation is shifting year over year
• The financial impact of reimbursement rates and overhead costs
• Why burnout is both a personal and systemic issue
• The significant role independent private practice plays in delivering outpatient behavioral health care across the United States

Independent private practice represents an estimated 15–20% of outpatient behavioral health services. This episode helps therapists think strategically about income, sustainability, visibility, and long-term viability in today’s healthcare landscape.

For full show notes and resources, visit mtsgpodcast.com.

Join the Modern Therapist Community:

• Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
• Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined
• Podcast Homepage: https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast-episodes/

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Is Independent Private Practice Sustainable? Data on Caseloads, Insurance &amp; Income</strong></p>
<p>Is independent private practice still financially sustainable?</p>
<p>Curt and Katie sit down with Lindsay Oberleitner, PhD, Director of Clinical Strategy at SimplePractice, to examine national data on caseload trends, insurance participation, income realities, and therapist burnout. Drawing from Lindsay's research at SimplePractice, they explore whether independent private practice is truly viable long term - and what clinicians need to understand to remain financially and professionally sustainable.</p>
<p><strong>In this episode, we discuss:</strong></p>
<p>• Why some clinicians are seeing declining caseloads despite high demand for mental health care<br>
• Typical full-time caseload ranges in independent private practice<br>
• How insurance participation is shifting year over year<br>
• The financial impact of reimbursement rates and overhead costs<br>
• Why burnout is both a personal and systemic issue<br>
• The significant role independent private practice plays in delivering outpatient behavioral health care across the United States</p>
<p>Independent private practice represents an estimated 15–20% of outpatient behavioral health services. This episode helps therapists think strategically about income, sustainability, visibility, and long-term viability in today’s healthcare landscape.</p>
<p><em><strong>For full show notes and resources, visit mtsgpodcast.com.</strong></em></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong></p>
<p>• Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a><br>
• Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a><br>
• Podcast Homepage: <a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast-episodes/">https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast-episodes/</a></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann<br><a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano<br><a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

</p>]]>
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    <item>
      <title>Why You’re Exhausted in Private Practice: The Hidden Work Behind the Client Hour</title>
      <description>Why You’re Exhausted in Private Practice: The Hidden Work Behind the Client Hour

Exhausted in private practice - even with a “manageable” caseload?

Seeing 20-25 clients a week does not mean you’re working 20-25 hours. Every client hour includes hidden administrative work, financial decisions, emotional labor, and CEO-level responsibility.

In this host-led episode, Curt and Katie break down why private practice feels heavier than expected - and how to think strategically about the real math behind your workload.

Key Takeaways:
• 20 client hours often equals 30+ hours of actual work
• Emotional task-switching drains capacity
• Burnout often comes from business demands, not just clients
• Sustainable practice requires protected CEO time and clear boundaries



Full show notes and resources: https://mtsgpodcast.com



Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann: 
https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: 
https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/0d51d4fa-1402-11f1-a417-d70ffd03f318/image/1ec05ec18d3566259910946443df68cc.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why You’re Exhausted in Private Practice: The Hidden Work Behind the Client Hour

Exhausted in private practice - even with a “manageable” caseload?

Seeing 20-25 clients a week does not mean you’re working 20-25 hours. Every client hour includes hidden administrative work, financial decisions, emotional labor, and CEO-level responsibility.

In this host-led episode, Curt and Katie break down why private practice feels heavier than expected - and how to think strategically about the real math behind your workload.

Key Takeaways:
• 20 client hours often equals 30+ hours of actual work
• Emotional task-switching drains capacity
• Burnout often comes from business demands, not just clients
• Sustainable practice requires protected CEO time and clear boundaries



Full show notes and resources: https://mtsgpodcast.com



Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann: 
https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: 
https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Why You’re Exhausted in Private Practice: The Hidden Work Behind the Client Hour</strong></p>
<p>Exhausted in private practice - even with a “manageable” caseload?</p>
<p>Seeing 20-25 clients a week does not mean you’re working 20-25 hours. Every client hour includes hidden administrative work, financial decisions, emotional labor, and CEO-level responsibility.</p>
<p>In this host-led episode, Curt and Katie break down why private practice feels heavier than expected - and how to think strategically about the real math behind your workload.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong><br>
• 20 client hours often equals 30+ hours of actual work<br>
• Emotional task-switching drains capacity<br>
• Burnout often comes from business demands, not just clients<br>
• Sustainable practice requires protected CEO time and clear boundaries</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Full show notes and resources: <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a><br>
Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann: 
https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: 
https://groomsymusic.com/


</p>]]>
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      <title>Burnout Recovery in a Failing System: ACT, Moral Injury &amp; Reclaiming Agency – An Interview with Shaina Siber, LCSW</title>
      <description>Burnout Recovery in a Failing System – An Interview with Shaina Siber, LCSW

Therapists are navigating hiring freezes, wage stagnation, insurance instability, identity-level threats, and mounting systemic uncertainty — all while supporting clients experiencing the same instability. What happens when burnout isn’t just about workload, but about working inside a system that feels like it’s failing?

Curt and Katie talk with Shaina Siber, LCSW, about moral injury, burnout as a fawning trauma response, and how therapists can move from control strategies to agency using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and Compassion-Focused Therapy (CFT).

Shaina shares how psychological flexibility, compassionate prioritization, and values-based action can help therapists recover from burnout without abandoning their humanity.

In this episode, we discuss:
• Burnout as a trauma response
• Moral injury in modern mental health care
• The “K-shaped” labor market and therapist stagnation
• Moving from overcontrol to agency
• Sustainable contribution without collapsing

Guest Bio:
Shaina Siber, LCSW is the founder of Affirm Mental Health, host of The Affirming Minds Podcast, and author of the forthcoming Routledge book Using ACT and CFT for Burnout Recovery: The Beyond Burnout Blueprint (available for pre-order February 25, 2026). She brings over 15 years of clinical and leadership experience and specializes in trauma-informed, LGBTQ+, and culturally responsive care.

Full show notes and resources: mtsgpodcast.com

Join our community:
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined
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Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2026 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/203cd4f4-0d39-11f1-a158-87e3285291ca/image/43ca56292abfb958fa13ff776be10021.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Burnout Recovery in a Failing System – An Interview with Shaina Siber, LCSW

Therapists are navigating hiring freezes, wage stagnation, insurance instability, identity-level threats, and mounting systemic uncertainty — all while supporting clients experiencing the same instability. What happens when burnout isn’t just about workload, but about working inside a system that feels like it’s failing?

Curt and Katie talk with Shaina Siber, LCSW, about moral injury, burnout as a fawning trauma response, and how therapists can move from control strategies to agency using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and Compassion-Focused Therapy (CFT).

Shaina shares how psychological flexibility, compassionate prioritization, and values-based action can help therapists recover from burnout without abandoning their humanity.

In this episode, we discuss:
• Burnout as a trauma response
• Moral injury in modern mental health care
• The “K-shaped” labor market and therapist stagnation
• Moving from overcontrol to agency
• Sustainable contribution without collapsing

Guest Bio:
Shaina Siber, LCSW is the founder of Affirm Mental Health, host of The Affirming Minds Podcast, and author of the forthcoming Routledge book Using ACT and CFT for Burnout Recovery: The Beyond Burnout Blueprint (available for pre-order February 25, 2026). She brings over 15 years of clinical and leadership experience and specializes in trauma-informed, LGBTQ+, and culturally responsive care.

Full show notes and resources: mtsgpodcast.com

Join our community:
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Burnout Recovery in a Failing System – An Interview with Shaina Siber, LCSW</strong></p>
<p>Therapists are navigating hiring freezes, wage stagnation, insurance instability, identity-level threats, and mounting systemic uncertainty — all while supporting clients experiencing the same instability. What happens when burnout isn’t just about workload, but about working inside a system that feels like it’s failing?</p>
<p>Curt and Katie talk with Shaina Siber, LCSW, about moral injury, burnout as a fawning trauma response, and how therapists can move from control strategies to agency using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and Compassion-Focused Therapy (CFT).</p>
<p>Shaina shares how psychological flexibility, compassionate prioritization, and values-based action can help therapists recover from burnout without abandoning their humanity.</p>
<p><strong>In this episode, we discuss:</strong><br>
• Burnout as a trauma response<br>
• Moral injury in modern mental health care<br>
• The “K-shaped” labor market and therapist stagnation<br>
• Moving from overcontrol to agency<br>
• Sustainable contribution without collapsing</p>
<p><strong>Guest Bio:</strong><br>
Shaina Siber, LCSW is the founder of Affirm Mental Health, host of The Affirming Minds Podcast, and author of the forthcoming Routledge book Using ACT and CFT for Burnout Recovery: The Beyond Burnout Blueprint (available for pre-order February 25, 2026). She brings over 15 years of clinical and leadership experience and specializes in trauma-informed, LGBTQ+, and culturally responsive care.</p>
<p><em><strong>Full show notes and resources: mtsgpodcast.com</strong></em></p>
<p><strong>Join our community:</strong><br>
Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a><br>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

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      <itunes:duration>2457</itunes:duration>
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    <item>
      <title>Should Texas Therapists Stop Treating Kids? Texas SB14, Gender-Affirming Care, and the Risks for Therapists</title>
      <description>Should Texas Therapists Stop Treating Kids? Texas SB14, Gender-Affirming Care, and the Risks for Therapists

In this episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy discuss a new interpretation of Texas SB14 that may place therapists at risk for providing gender-affirming care to trans youth. They explore how a recent opinion from the Texas Attorney General could broaden the law’s reach beyond medical providers to include mental health professionals.

Curt and Katie break down what this interpretation could mean for therapists working with minors, including possible risks related to licensure, malpractice coverage, mandated reporting, and criminal liability. They also discuss the ethical tension between evidence-based care and compliance with state law, and the difficult decisions clinicians may face when considering whether to continue working with kids.

Key Takeaways:


  
A new interpretation of Texas SB14 may include mental health professionals as part of the “healthcare pipeline” facilitating gender transition for minors.



  
The legal term “facilitating” could potentially include referrals, letters, or even supportive therapy conversations.



  
Therapists may face risks related to licensure complaints, malpractice coverage exclusions, or legal consequences if their care is interpreted as supporting gender transition.



  
Mandated child abuse reporting requirements could create additional legal and ethical concerns.



  
Clinicians may need to assess their personal risk tolerance when deciding whether to continue working with minors.




Full show notes and additional resources will be available at:mtsgpodcast.com



Join our community:
Modern Therapists Group (Facebook): https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimaginedLink Tree: 

https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>bonus</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/fdb0fb62-18fb-11f1-8da7-87235ae5970f/image/11243ab1aeaa802df9f7d9cab78ae6fa.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Should Texas Therapists Stop Treating Kids? Texas SB14, Gender-Affirming Care, and the Risks for Therapists

In this episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy discuss a new interpretation of Texas SB14 that may place therapists at risk for providing gender-affirming care to trans youth. They explore how a recent opinion from the Texas Attorney General could broaden the law’s reach beyond medical providers to include mental health professionals.

Curt and Katie break down what this interpretation could mean for therapists working with minors, including possible risks related to licensure, malpractice coverage, mandated reporting, and criminal liability. They also discuss the ethical tension between evidence-based care and compliance with state law, and the difficult decisions clinicians may face when considering whether to continue working with kids.

Key Takeaways:


  
A new interpretation of Texas SB14 may include mental health professionals as part of the “healthcare pipeline” facilitating gender transition for minors.



  
The legal term “facilitating” could potentially include referrals, letters, or even supportive therapy conversations.



  
Therapists may face risks related to licensure complaints, malpractice coverage exclusions, or legal consequences if their care is interpreted as supporting gender transition.



  
Mandated child abuse reporting requirements could create additional legal and ethical concerns.



  
Clinicians may need to assess their personal risk tolerance when deciding whether to continue working with minors.




Full show notes and additional resources will be available at:mtsgpodcast.com



Join our community:
Modern Therapists Group (Facebook): https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimaginedLink Tree: 

https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Should Texas Therapists Stop Treating Kids? Texas SB14, Gender-Affirming Care, and the Risks for Therapists</strong></p>
<p>In this episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy discuss a new interpretation of Texas SB14 that may place therapists at risk for providing gender-affirming care to trans youth. They explore how a recent opinion from the Texas Attorney General could broaden the law’s reach beyond medical providers to include mental health professionals.</p>
<p>Curt and Katie break down what this interpretation could mean for therapists working with minors, including possible risks related to licensure, malpractice coverage, mandated reporting, and criminal liability. They also discuss the ethical tension between evidence-based care and compliance with state law, and the difficult decisions clinicians may face when considering whether to continue working with kids.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>A new interpretation of Texas SB14 may include mental health professionals as part of the “healthcare pipeline” facilitating gender transition for minors.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>The legal term “facilitating” could potentially include referrals, letters, or even supportive therapy conversations.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists may face risks related to licensure complaints, malpractice coverage exclusions, or legal consequences if their care is interpreted as supporting gender transition.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Mandated child abuse reporting requirements could create additional legal and ethical concerns.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Clinicians may need to assess their personal risk tolerance when deciding whether to continue working with minors.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Full show notes and additional resources will be available at:</strong><br>mtsgpodcast.com</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join our community:</strong>
Modern Therapists Group (Facebook): <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a><br>Link Tree: </p>
<p><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann<br><a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano<br><a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

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    <item>
      <title>The Licensing Racket: Therapist Licensing, Discipline, and Access to Care – An Interview with Rebecca Haw Allensworth</title>
      <description>The Licensing Racket: Therapist Licensing, Discipline, and Access to Care – An Interview with Rebecca Haw Allensworth

Who does licensing protect - the public or the profession?

Curt and Katie talk with Rebecca Haw Allensworth, law professor and author of The Licensing Racket, about how professional licensing boards actually function, and what that means for therapists, discipline, and access to care.

After attending licensing board meetings across professions and states, Rebecca identified a troubling pattern: entry requirements that continually “ratchet up,” while discipline decisions can lean toward giving professionals the benefit of the doubt. The result? Higher barriers to entry, workforce shortages, and inconsistent public protection.

This episode explores therapist licensing reform, self-regulation, professional turf wars, board funding structures, and the tension between prestige, professional identity, and public safety.



About Our Guest:Rebecca Haw Allensworth is the David Daniels Allen Professor of Law at Vanderbilt Law School and author of The Licensing Racket: How We Decide Who Is Allowed to Work and Why It Goes Wrong. Her research focuses on antitrust and professional licensing and has been cited by the U.S. Supreme Court.



Key Takeaways:
• Why licensing requirements tend to increase over time
• How self-regulation can create blind spots in discipline
• The impact of licensing barriers on workforce shortages and access to care
• Why complaints about unlicensed practice may be prioritized over client complaints
• How professional identity and funding structures shape board decisions



Full show notes and resources: mtsgpodcast.com



Join our community:
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/90eebca8-0c67-11f1-9231-670a913dcd2e/image/bc015f2de23c5e0e638bd5969653f028.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Licensing Racket: Therapist Licensing, Discipline, and Access to Care – An Interview with Rebecca Haw Allensworth

Who does licensing protect - the public or the profession?

Curt and Katie talk with Rebecca Haw Allensworth, law professor and author of The Licensing Racket, about how professional licensing boards actually function, and what that means for therapists, discipline, and access to care.

After attending licensing board meetings across professions and states, Rebecca identified a troubling pattern: entry requirements that continually “ratchet up,” while discipline decisions can lean toward giving professionals the benefit of the doubt. The result? Higher barriers to entry, workforce shortages, and inconsistent public protection.

This episode explores therapist licensing reform, self-regulation, professional turf wars, board funding structures, and the tension between prestige, professional identity, and public safety.



About Our Guest:Rebecca Haw Allensworth is the David Daniels Allen Professor of Law at Vanderbilt Law School and author of The Licensing Racket: How We Decide Who Is Allowed to Work and Why It Goes Wrong. Her research focuses on antitrust and professional licensing and has been cited by the U.S. Supreme Court.



Key Takeaways:
• Why licensing requirements tend to increase over time
• How self-regulation can create blind spots in discipline
• The impact of licensing barriers on workforce shortages and access to care
• Why complaints about unlicensed practice may be prioritized over client complaints
• How professional identity and funding structures shape board decisions



Full show notes and resources: mtsgpodcast.com



Join our community:
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>The Licensing Racket: Therapist Licensing, Discipline, and Access to Care – An Interview with Rebecca Haw Allensworth</strong></p>
<p>Who does licensing protect - the public or the profession?</p>
<p>Curt and Katie talk with Rebecca Haw Allensworth, law professor and author of The Licensing Racket, about how professional licensing boards actually function, and what that means for therapists, discipline, and access to care.</p>
<p>After attending licensing board meetings across professions and states, Rebecca identified a troubling pattern: entry requirements that continually “ratchet up,” while discipline decisions can lean toward giving professionals the benefit of the doubt. The result? Higher barriers to entry, workforce shortages, and inconsistent public protection.</p>
<p>This episode explores therapist licensing reform, self-regulation, professional turf wars, board funding structures, and the tension between prestige, professional identity, and public safety.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest:</strong><br>Rebecca Haw Allensworth is the David Daniels Allen Professor of Law at Vanderbilt Law School and author of The Licensing Racket: How We Decide Who Is Allowed to Work and Why It Goes Wrong. Her research focuses on antitrust and professional licensing and has been cited by the U.S. Supreme Court.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong>
• Why licensing requirements tend to increase over time<br>
• How self-regulation can create blind spots in discipline<br>
• The impact of licensing barriers on workforce shortages and access to care<br>
• Why complaints about unlicensed practice may be prioritized over client complaints<br>
• How professional identity and funding structures shape board decisions</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Full show notes and resources</strong>: mtsgpodcast.com</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join our community:</strong><br>
Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a><br>
Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

</p>]]>
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      <itunes:duration>2938</itunes:duration>
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      <enclosure url="https://traffic.megaphone.fm/HEGNI2422721326.mp3?updated=1771378290" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>Training Therapists in the Age of AI: Preventing Deskilling and Teaching Clinical Judgment</title>
      <description>Training Therapists in the Age of AI: Preventing Deskilling and Teaching Clinical Judgment

As artificial intelligence becomes increasingly embedded in mental health care, therapists, supervisors, and educators face a critical responsibility: integrating AI tools without eroding clinical judgment, reasoning, and skill development.

In this continuing education episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy examine how AI can create the illusion of competence while quietly undermining the processes therapists rely on to learn how to think clinically. They explore therapist deskilling as a systemic issue shaped by training models, supervision practices, and productivity pressures rather than individual failure.

This episode focuses on how supervisors, educators, and clinicians can preserve clinical mastery while using AI responsibly, emphasizing learning science, supervision ethics, and the importance of maintaining human judgment in an automated world.

In this episode, we discuss:


  
How AI can mask gaps in clinical reasoning



  
The competence paradox and automation bias in therapy



  
Why struggle and ambiguity are essential for learning



  
The role of supervisors and educators in preventing deskilling



  
How to use AI without outsourcing clinical judgment




Continuing Education:
This episode is eligible for 1 unit of continuing education (CE). To earn CE credit, go to moderntherapistcommunity.com, register for a free profile, purchase the course, complete the post-test and evaluation, and download your certificate.

Full show notes, transcript, and course details are available at mtsgpodcast.com.



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Podcast Home: https://mtsgpodcast.com



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/41ea9262-06d6-11f1-be06-bb7814aa4721/image/6d6f5157a2e485a37d4f0dd5db867388.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Training Therapists in the Age of AI: Preventing Deskilling and Teaching Clinical Judgment

As artificial intelligence becomes increasingly embedded in mental health care, therapists, supervisors, and educators face a critical responsibility: integrating AI tools without eroding clinical judgment, reasoning, and skill development.

In this continuing education episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy examine how AI can create the illusion of competence while quietly undermining the processes therapists rely on to learn how to think clinically. They explore therapist deskilling as a systemic issue shaped by training models, supervision practices, and productivity pressures rather than individual failure.

This episode focuses on how supervisors, educators, and clinicians can preserve clinical mastery while using AI responsibly, emphasizing learning science, supervision ethics, and the importance of maintaining human judgment in an automated world.

In this episode, we discuss:


  
How AI can mask gaps in clinical reasoning



  
The competence paradox and automation bias in therapy



  
Why struggle and ambiguity are essential for learning



  
The role of supervisors and educators in preventing deskilling



  
How to use AI without outsourcing clinical judgment




Continuing Education:
This episode is eligible for 1 unit of continuing education (CE). To earn CE credit, go to moderntherapistcommunity.com, register for a free profile, purchase the course, complete the post-test and evaluation, and download your certificate.

Full show notes, transcript, and course details are available at mtsgpodcast.com.



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Podcast Home: https://mtsgpodcast.com



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Training Therapists in the Age of AI: Preventing Deskilling and Teaching Clinical Judgment</strong></p>
<p>As artificial intelligence becomes increasingly embedded in mental health care, therapists, supervisors, and educators face a critical responsibility: integrating AI tools without eroding clinical judgment, reasoning, and skill development.</p>
<p>In this continuing education episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy examine how AI can create the illusion of competence while quietly undermining the processes therapists rely on to learn how to think clinically. They explore therapist deskilling as a systemic issue shaped by training models, supervision practices, and productivity pressures rather than individual failure.</p>
<p>This episode focuses on how supervisors, educators, and clinicians can preserve clinical mastery while using AI responsibly, emphasizing learning science, supervision ethics, and the importance of maintaining human judgment in an automated world.</p>
<p><strong>In this episode, we discuss:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>How AI can mask gaps in clinical reasoning</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>The competence paradox and automation bias in therapy</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Why struggle and ambiguity are essential for learning</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>The role of supervisors and educators in preventing deskilling</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>How to use AI without outsourcing clinical judgment</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Continuing Education:</strong><br>
This episode is eligible for 1 unit of continuing education (CE). To earn CE credit, go to moderntherapistcommunity.com, register for a free profile, purchase the course, complete the post-test and evaluation, and download your certificate.</p>
<p>Full show notes, transcript, and course details are available at mtsgpodcast.com.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br>
Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a><br>
Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a><br>
Podcast Home: <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann<br><a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano<br><a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
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      <title>Why Food Anxiety Is Not Always About Dieting: Understanding ARFID and Intuitive Eating An interview with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C</title>
      <description>Why Food Anxiety Is Not Always About Dieting: Understanding ARFID and Intuitive Eating - An interview with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C

Diet culture often dominates conversations about eating disorders, but not all struggles with food are driven by weight, body image, or dieting. In this episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with registered dietitian nutritionist and certified eating disorder specialist Robyn L. Goldberg about Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (ARFID), intuitive eating, and how therapists can recognize when food anxiety requires a different clinical approach.

Robyn explains how ARFID differs from more familiar eating disorders, why it is often mislabeled as “picky eating,” and when intuitive eating principles need to be adapted or set aside. This conversation offers therapists practical guidance for assessment, referral, and collaboration with eating-disorder-informed dietitians.

Key Takeaways


  
ARFID is not driven by weight or body image concerns and is often rooted in sensory sensitivities, trauma, or fear of aversive consequences



  
Intuitive eating is not a one-size-fits-all model and may require significant structure for some clients



  
Rigid food rules and avoidance can be protective for clients but may also limit functioning and quality of life



  
Exposure-based approaches are often central to ARFID treatment and require specialized training



  
Therapists should refer to eating-disorder-informed dietitians when food restriction significantly impacts health or daily life




Guest Bio
Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C, is a registered dietitian nutritionist and certified eating disorder dietitian and consultant with over twenty-eight years of experience. She is the author of The Eating Disorder Trap, host of The Eating Disorder Trap Podcast, and a nationally recognized expert featured in major media outlets.

Full Show NotesRead the full show notes and resources at: https://www.mtsgpodcast.com



Community and SupportJoin our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimaginedSupport the podcast on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voiceover by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why Food Anxiety Is Not Always About Dieting: Understanding ARFID and Intuitive Eating - An interview with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C

Diet culture often dominates conversations about eating disorders, but not all struggles with food are driven by weight, body image, or dieting. In this episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with registered dietitian nutritionist and certified eating disorder specialist Robyn L. Goldberg about Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (ARFID), intuitive eating, and how therapists can recognize when food anxiety requires a different clinical approach.

Robyn explains how ARFID differs from more familiar eating disorders, why it is often mislabeled as “picky eating,” and when intuitive eating principles need to be adapted or set aside. This conversation offers therapists practical guidance for assessment, referral, and collaboration with eating-disorder-informed dietitians.

Key Takeaways


  
ARFID is not driven by weight or body image concerns and is often rooted in sensory sensitivities, trauma, or fear of aversive consequences



  
Intuitive eating is not a one-size-fits-all model and may require significant structure for some clients



  
Rigid food rules and avoidance can be protective for clients but may also limit functioning and quality of life



  
Exposure-based approaches are often central to ARFID treatment and require specialized training



  
Therapists should refer to eating-disorder-informed dietitians when food restriction significantly impacts health or daily life




Guest Bio
Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C, is a registered dietitian nutritionist and certified eating disorder dietitian and consultant with over twenty-eight years of experience. She is the author of The Eating Disorder Trap, host of The Eating Disorder Trap Podcast, and a nationally recognized expert featured in major media outlets.

Full Show NotesRead the full show notes and resources at: https://www.mtsgpodcast.com



Community and SupportJoin our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimaginedSupport the podcast on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voiceover by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Why Food Anxiety Is Not Always About Dieting: Understanding ARFID and Intuitive Eating - An interview with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C</strong></p>
<p>Diet culture often dominates conversations about eating disorders, but not all struggles with food are driven by weight, body image, or dieting. In this episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with registered dietitian nutritionist and certified eating disorder specialist Robyn L. Goldberg about Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (ARFID), intuitive eating, and how therapists can recognize when food anxiety requires a different clinical approach.</p>
<p>Robyn explains how ARFID differs from more familiar eating disorders, why it is often mislabeled as “picky eating,” and when intuitive eating principles need to be adapted or set aside. This conversation offers therapists practical guidance for assessment, referral, and collaboration with eating-disorder-informed dietitians.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>ARFID is not driven by weight or body image concerns and is often rooted in sensory sensitivities, trauma, or fear of aversive consequences</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Intuitive eating is not a one-size-fits-all model and may require significant structure for some clients</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Rigid food rules and avoidance can be protective for clients but may also limit functioning and quality of life</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Exposure-based approaches are often central to ARFID treatment and require specialized training</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists should refer to eating-disorder-informed dietitians when food restriction significantly impacts health or daily life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Guest Bio</strong><br>
Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C, is a registered dietitian nutritionist and certified eating disorder dietitian and consultant with over twenty-eight years of experience. She is the author of <em>The Eating Disorder Trap</em>, host of <em>The Eating Disorder Trap Podcast</em>, and a nationally recognized expert featured in major media outlets.</p>
<p><strong>Full Show Notes</strong><br>Read the full show notes and resources at: <a href="https://www.mtsgpodcast.com">https://www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Community and Support</strong><br>Join our Facebook group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a><br>Support the podcast on Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong></p>
<p>Voiceover by DW McCann<br><a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano<br><a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>


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      <title>The Epstein Files Fallout: Navigating Client Trauma, Justice Fatigue, and Clinical Responsibility</title>
      <description>The Epstein Files Fallout: Navigating Client Trauma, Justice Fatigue, and Clinical Responsibility

In this episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy explore the emotional and clinical fallout following the release of the Epstein files. Rather than reacting to breaking news, they focus on what happens after the headlines fade—when trauma resurfaces, justice feels out of reach, and both clients and therapists are left carrying the weight.

This conversation examines how trauma responses show up in the therapy room, how therapists can avoid minimization or burnout, and what clinical responsibility looks like when systems fail and outrage turns into numbness.

Key takeaways for therapists:


  
How public disclosures can retraumatize survivors and trigger moral injury



  
Why clients may experience numbness, irritability, or hopelessness instead of anger



  
How to ethically hold space without rushing clients toward resolution



  
Ways therapists can manage their own exposure and remain grounded



  
The importance of containment, validation, and agency during collective trauma




Full show notes and resources available at:https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Epstein Files Fallout: Navigating Client Trauma, Justice Fatigue, and Clinical Responsibility

In this episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy explore the emotional and clinical fallout following the release of the Epstein files. Rather than reacting to breaking news, they focus on what happens after the headlines fade—when trauma resurfaces, justice feels out of reach, and both clients and therapists are left carrying the weight.

This conversation examines how trauma responses show up in the therapy room, how therapists can avoid minimization or burnout, and what clinical responsibility looks like when systems fail and outrage turns into numbness.

Key takeaways for therapists:


  
How public disclosures can retraumatize survivors and trigger moral injury



  
Why clients may experience numbness, irritability, or hopelessness instead of anger



  
How to ethically hold space without rushing clients toward resolution



  
Ways therapists can manage their own exposure and remain grounded



  
The importance of containment, validation, and agency during collective trauma




Full show notes and resources available at:https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCannhttps://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Manganohttps://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>The Epstein Files Fallout: Navigating Client Trauma, Justice Fatigue, and Clinical Responsibility</strong></p>
<p>In this episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy explore the emotional and clinical fallout following the release of the Epstein files. Rather than reacting to breaking news, they focus on what happens after the headlines fade—when trauma resurfaces, justice feels out of reach, and both clients and therapists are left carrying the weight.</p>
<p>This conversation examines how trauma responses show up in the therapy room, how therapists can avoid minimization or burnout, and what clinical responsibility looks like when systems fail and outrage turns into numbness.</p>
<p><strong>Key takeaways for therapists:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>How public disclosures can retraumatize survivors and trigger moral injury</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Why clients may experience numbness, irritability, or hopelessness instead of anger</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>How to ethically hold space without rushing clients toward resolution</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Ways therapists can manage their own exposure and remain grounded</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>The importance of containment, validation, and agency during collective trauma</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Full show notes and resources available at:<br><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br>
Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a><br>
Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann<br><a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano<br><a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

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      <title>Why the Math Doesn’t Work: How Student Loan Debt Hits Therapists Harder Than Other Professions – An Interview with Mick MacLaverty</title>
      <description>Why the Math Doesn’t Work: How Student Loan Debt Hits Therapists Harder Than Other Professions – An Interview with Mick MacLaverty

Student loan debt affects nearly every corner of the mental health field, but for therapists, the numbers often don’t add up. In this episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with student loan expert Mick MacLaverty about why therapists carry disproportionately high debt, how inconsistent income makes repayment especially difficult, and the structural factors in higher education and healthcare that created this imbalance.

Mick explains how federal student loan policies have evolved, why forgiveness programs have become politically volatile, and what therapists need to understand about repayment options, refinancing, and employer-based student loan benefits. This conversation offers clarity on an issue that directly impacts career sustainability, burnout, and long-term financial health.

About the guest:Mick MacLaverty is the CEO and co-founder of Highway Benefits, a company that helps employers offer student loan repayment as a benefit. He has spent thousands of hours researching the student debt crisis and works closely with healthcare and therapy-adjacent organizations to help employees reduce long-term loan burden.



Key takeaways for therapists:

Therapists often graduate with significantly more student loan debt than the average worker.
Income instability makes consistent monthly repayment especially challenging.
Student loan debt is driven by structural issues in education and healthcare, not individual failure.
Federal loan policies and forgiveness programs can be confusing and politically driven.
Employer-based student loan repayment benefits can meaningfully reduce debt and interest over time.

Full show notes and transcript:https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the community:
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/0962077c-f335-11f0-8431-3f76610b8af1/image/5dddf49691f3312c1054c6ab1e226b80.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why the Math Doesn’t Work: How Student Loan Debt Hits Therapists Harder Than Other Professions – An Interview with Mick MacLaverty

Student loan debt affects nearly every corner of the mental health field, but for therapists, the numbers often don’t add up. In this episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with student loan expert Mick MacLaverty about why therapists carry disproportionately high debt, how inconsistent income makes repayment especially difficult, and the structural factors in higher education and healthcare that created this imbalance.

Mick explains how federal student loan policies have evolved, why forgiveness programs have become politically volatile, and what therapists need to understand about repayment options, refinancing, and employer-based student loan benefits. This conversation offers clarity on an issue that directly impacts career sustainability, burnout, and long-term financial health.

About the guest:Mick MacLaverty is the CEO and co-founder of Highway Benefits, a company that helps employers offer student loan repayment as a benefit. He has spent thousands of hours researching the student debt crisis and works closely with healthcare and therapy-adjacent organizations to help employees reduce long-term loan burden.



Key takeaways for therapists:

Therapists often graduate with significantly more student loan debt than the average worker.
Income instability makes consistent monthly repayment especially challenging.
Student loan debt is driven by structural issues in education and healthcare, not individual failure.
Federal loan policies and forgiveness programs can be confusing and politically driven.
Employer-based student loan repayment benefits can meaningfully reduce debt and interest over time.

Full show notes and transcript:https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the community:
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Why the Math Doesn’t Work: How Student Loan Debt Hits Therapists Harder Than Other Professions – An Interview with Mick MacLaverty</strong></p>
<p>Student loan debt affects nearly every corner of the mental health field, but for therapists, the numbers often don’t add up. In this episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with student loan expert Mick MacLaverty about why therapists carry disproportionately high debt, how inconsistent income makes repayment especially difficult, and the structural factors in higher education and healthcare that created this imbalance.</p>
<p>Mick explains how federal student loan policies have evolved, why forgiveness programs have become politically volatile, and what therapists need to understand about repayment options, refinancing, and employer-based student loan benefits. This conversation offers clarity on an issue that directly impacts career sustainability, burnout, and long-term financial health.</p>
<p><strong>About the guest:</strong><br>Mick MacLaverty is the CEO and co-founder of Highway Benefits, a company that helps employers offer student loan repayment as a benefit. He has spent thousands of hours researching the student debt crisis and works closely with healthcare and therapy-adjacent organizations to help employees reduce long-term loan burden.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key takeaways for therapists:</strong><br></p>
<p>Therapists often graduate with significantly more student loan debt than the average worker.<br>
Income instability makes consistent monthly repayment especially challenging.<br>
Student loan debt is driven by structural issues in education and healthcare, not individual failure.<br>
Federal loan policies and forgiveness programs can be confusing and politically driven.<br>
Employer-based student loan repayment benefits can meaningfully reduce debt and interest over time.</p>
<p><em>Full show notes and transcript:</em><br><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com"><em>https://mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em></em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the community:</strong><br>
Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a><br>
Facebook group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann<br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</p>
<p>

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      <title>Special Series: Becoming a Therapist - Starting Out After Graduate School: Team-Based Care, Stability, and Early Career Decisions - An Interview with Eden Lathem</title>
      <description>Starting Out After Graduate School: Team-Based Care, Stability, and Early Career Decisions - An Interview with Eden LathemSpecial Series: Becoming a Therapist

In this Becoming a Therapist special series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy welcome back Eden Lathem for a second-year check-in following her graduation from graduate school. Now working under temporary licensure, Eden shares what it has been like to enter the workforce in an intensive outpatient treatment setting, navigate supervision requirements, and make early career decisions focused on stability, learning, and sustainability. This conversation explores the realities of life after graduate school, including team-based care, financial considerations, and flexibility in building a therapy career.

About the GuestEden Lathem is a Marriage and Family Therapist practicing under temporary licensure and working in an intensive outpatient treatment setting. She provides individual and group therapy as part of a multidisciplinary clinical team and works with individuals and families navigating caregiving stress, disability, trauma, anxiety, depression, identity shifts, and major life transitions. Eden is also completing training in Parent–Child Interaction Therapy (PCIT), an evidence-based approach that uses live coaching and play to support parent-child connection.

Key Takeaways
• What the transition from graduate school to the workforce can actually look like
• Why team-based treatment settings can offer stability and support early in a career
• The financial and structural realities of supervision and licensure
• How early career clinicians can stay flexible while working toward long-term goals
• Choosing learning and sustainability over rushing into private practice

Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community
Patreon https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/162168dc-f302-11f0-9542-b31b36eccc57/image/1eab1859c08376ecc3c9de0f4a00b678.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Starting Out After Graduate School: Team-Based Care, Stability, and Early Career Decisions - An Interview with Eden LathemSpecial Series: Becoming a Therapist

In this Becoming a Therapist special series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy welcome back Eden Lathem for a second-year check-in following her graduation from graduate school. Now working under temporary licensure, Eden shares what it has been like to enter the workforce in an intensive outpatient treatment setting, navigate supervision requirements, and make early career decisions focused on stability, learning, and sustainability. This conversation explores the realities of life after graduate school, including team-based care, financial considerations, and flexibility in building a therapy career.

About the GuestEden Lathem is a Marriage and Family Therapist practicing under temporary licensure and working in an intensive outpatient treatment setting. She provides individual and group therapy as part of a multidisciplinary clinical team and works with individuals and families navigating caregiving stress, disability, trauma, anxiety, depression, identity shifts, and major life transitions. Eden is also completing training in Parent–Child Interaction Therapy (PCIT), an evidence-based approach that uses live coaching and play to support parent-child connection.

Key Takeaways
• What the transition from graduate school to the workforce can actually look like
• Why team-based treatment settings can offer stability and support early in a career
• The financial and structural realities of supervision and licensure
• How early career clinicians can stay flexible while working toward long-term goals
• Choosing learning and sustainability over rushing into private practice

Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community
Patreon https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Starting Out After Graduate School: Team-Based Care, Stability, and Early Career Decisions - An Interview with Eden Lathem</strong><br>Special Series: Becoming a Therapist</p>
<p>In this Becoming a Therapist special series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy welcome back Eden Lathem for a second-year check-in following her graduation from graduate school. Now working under temporary licensure, Eden shares what it has been like to enter the workforce in an intensive outpatient treatment setting, navigate supervision requirements, and make early career decisions focused on stability, learning, and sustainability. This conversation explores the realities of life after graduate school, including team-based care, financial considerations, and flexibility in building a therapy career.</p>
<p><strong>About the Guest</strong><br>Eden Lathem is a Marriage and Family Therapist practicing under temporary licensure and working in an intensive outpatient treatment setting. She provides individual and group therapy as part of a multidisciplinary clinical team and works with individuals and families navigating caregiving stress, disability, trauma, anxiety, depression, identity shifts, and major life transitions. Eden is also completing training in Parent–Child Interaction Therapy (PCIT), an evidence-based approach that uses live coaching and play to support parent-child connection.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong>
• What the transition from graduate school to the workforce can actually look like<br>
• Why team-based treatment settings can offer stability and support early in a career<br>
• The financial and structural realities of supervision and licensure<br>
• How early career clinicians can stay flexible while working toward long-term goals<br>
• Choosing learning and sustainability over rushing into private practice</p>
<p><em>Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at </em><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com"><em>https://mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em></em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong><br>
Patreon <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a><br>
Facebook Group <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p><br></p>]]>
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      <title>Special Series: Becoming a Therapist - Becoming a Therapist as a First-Generation Clinician-in-Training: An Interview with Marvin Vasquez</title>
      <description>Becoming a Therapist as a First-Generation Clinician-in-Training: An Interview with Marvin Vasquez
Special Series: Becoming a Therapist


In this Becoming a Therapist special series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy welcome back Marvin Vasquez for a second-year check-in as he moves into the clinical phase of his training. Marvin reflects on beginning direct client work as a first-generation clinician-in-training, providing therapy in both English and Spanish, and supporting members of his own community during a time of heightened systemic stress. This conversation explores practicum placement, supervision, self-doubt, and the emotional realities of becoming a therapist while holding personal, cultural, and professional identities at the same time.

About the Guest
Marvin Vasquez is a first-generation Marriage and Family Therapy graduate student at California State University, Northridge. He is currently completing his clinical training as an intern at Phoenix House, where he works with individuals and families impacted by mental health challenges and systemic barriers, with a focus on Latinx communities. Marvin provides bilingual therapy in English and Spanish and is committed to culturally responsive, strengths-based care and community advocacy.



Key Takeaways
• What it’s like to move from coursework into direct clinical work as a first-generation clinician
• The emotional impact of serving your own community while still in training
• How supportive supervision helps reduce self-doubt and “flailing” early in practice
• Why bilingual and culturally responsive care can deepen trust and engagement
• Navigating systemic stressors while developing confidence as a new therapist


Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community
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Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Becoming a Therapist as a First-Generation Clinician-in-Training: An Interview with Marvin Vasquez
Special Series: Becoming a Therapist


In this Becoming a Therapist special series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy welcome back Marvin Vasquez for a second-year check-in as he moves into the clinical phase of his training. Marvin reflects on beginning direct client work as a first-generation clinician-in-training, providing therapy in both English and Spanish, and supporting members of his own community during a time of heightened systemic stress. This conversation explores practicum placement, supervision, self-doubt, and the emotional realities of becoming a therapist while holding personal, cultural, and professional identities at the same time.

About the Guest
Marvin Vasquez is a first-generation Marriage and Family Therapy graduate student at California State University, Northridge. He is currently completing his clinical training as an intern at Phoenix House, where he works with individuals and families impacted by mental health challenges and systemic barriers, with a focus on Latinx communities. Marvin provides bilingual therapy in English and Spanish and is committed to culturally responsive, strengths-based care and community advocacy.



Key Takeaways
• What it’s like to move from coursework into direct clinical work as a first-generation clinician
• The emotional impact of serving your own community while still in training
• How supportive supervision helps reduce self-doubt and “flailing” early in practice
• Why bilingual and culturally responsive care can deepen trust and engagement
• Navigating systemic stressors while developing confidence as a new therapist


Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community
Patreon https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Becoming a Therapist as a First-Generation Clinician-in-Training: An Interview with Marvin Vasquez</strong><br>
Special Series: Becoming a Therapist</p>
<p>
In this Becoming a Therapist special series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy welcome back Marvin Vasquez for a second-year check-in as he moves into the clinical phase of his training. Marvin reflects on beginning direct client work as a first-generation clinician-in-training, providing therapy in both English and Spanish, and supporting members of his own community during a time of heightened systemic stress. This conversation explores practicum placement, supervision, self-doubt, and the emotional realities of becoming a therapist while holding personal, cultural, and professional identities at the same time.</p>
<p><strong>About the Guest</strong>
Marvin Vasquez is a first-generation Marriage and Family Therapy graduate student at California State University, Northridge. He is currently completing his clinical training as an intern at Phoenix House, where he works with individuals and families impacted by mental health challenges and systemic barriers, with a focus on Latinx communities. Marvin provides bilingual therapy in English and Spanish and is committed to culturally responsive, strengths-based care and community advocacy.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br>
• What it’s like to move from coursework into direct clinical work as a first-generation clinician<br>
• The emotional impact of serving your own community while still in training<br>
• How supportive supervision helps reduce self-doubt and “flailing” early in practice<br>
• Why bilingual and culturally responsive care can deepen trust and engagement<br>
• Navigating systemic stressors while developing confidence as a new therapist</p>
<p><br>
<em>Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at </em><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com"><em>https://mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em></em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong><br>
Patreon <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a><br>
Facebook Group <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
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      <title>Special Series: Becoming a Therapist - After Graduation: Starting a Therapy Career on a Nontraditional Path - An Interview with Derek Isetti</title>
      <description>After Graduation: Starting a Therapy Career on a Nontraditional Path - An Interview with Derek Isetti 
In this Becoming a Therapist special series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy check back in with Derek Isetti one year after his first appearance on the podcast. Now graduated from his MSW program, Derek reflects on the prelicensed phase of the journey, including navigating post-graduation registration requirements, taking the Law and Ethics Exam, and searching for supervised clinical work while maintaining a full-time academic career. This conversation explores what it really looks like to start a therapy career on a nontraditional timeline and path.



About the Guest
Derek Isetti, MSW, PhD, CCC-SLP is an Associate Professor at the University of the Pacific in Stockton, California. With a background in the performing arts, Derek is both a speech-language pathologist and a social worker pursuing licensure as a psychotherapist. His professional work spans academia, healthcare, and clinical training, offering a unique perspective on early-career development and prelicensed practice.



Key Takeaways
• What the prelicensed phase looks like after graduating from a master’s program
• Common challenges with registration, exams, and supervision requirements
• Searching for supervised clinical work on a part-time or nontraditional timeline
• Balancing another professional career while accumulating hours toward licensure
• Why supervision quality and fit matter during the early stages of practice


Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community
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Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>After Graduation: Starting a Therapy Career on a Nontraditional Path - An Interview with Derek Isetti 
In this Becoming a Therapist special series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy check back in with Derek Isetti one year after his first appearance on the podcast. Now graduated from his MSW program, Derek reflects on the prelicensed phase of the journey, including navigating post-graduation registration requirements, taking the Law and Ethics Exam, and searching for supervised clinical work while maintaining a full-time academic career. This conversation explores what it really looks like to start a therapy career on a nontraditional timeline and path.



About the Guest
Derek Isetti, MSW, PhD, CCC-SLP is an Associate Professor at the University of the Pacific in Stockton, California. With a background in the performing arts, Derek is both a speech-language pathologist and a social worker pursuing licensure as a psychotherapist. His professional work spans academia, healthcare, and clinical training, offering a unique perspective on early-career development and prelicensed practice.



Key Takeaways
• What the prelicensed phase looks like after graduating from a master’s program
• Common challenges with registration, exams, and supervision requirements
• Searching for supervised clinical work on a part-time or nontraditional timeline
• Balancing another professional career while accumulating hours toward licensure
• Why supervision quality and fit matter during the early stages of practice


Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community
Patreon https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast
Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>After Graduation: Starting a Therapy Career on a Nontraditional Path - An Interview with Derek Isetti </strong><br>
In this Becoming a Therapist special series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy check back in with Derek Isetti one year after his first appearance on the podcast. Now graduated from his MSW program, Derek reflects on the prelicensed phase of the journey, including navigating post-graduation registration requirements, taking the Law and Ethics Exam, and searching for supervised clinical work while maintaining a full-time academic career. This conversation explores what it really looks like to start a therapy career on a nontraditional timeline and path.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>About the Guest</strong><br>
Derek Isetti, MSW, PhD, CCC-SLP is an Associate Professor at the University of the Pacific in Stockton, California. With a background in the performing arts, Derek is both a speech-language pathologist and a social worker pursuing licensure as a psychotherapist. His professional work spans academia, healthcare, and clinical training, offering a unique perspective on early-career development and prelicensed practice.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br>
• What the prelicensed phase looks like after graduating from a master’s program<br>
• Common challenges with registration, exams, and supervision requirements<br>
• Searching for supervised clinical work on a part-time or nontraditional timeline<br>
• Balancing another professional career while accumulating hours toward licensure<br>
• Why supervision quality and fit matter during the early stages of practice</p>
<p>
<em>Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at </em><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com"><em>https://mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em></em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong><br>
Patreon <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a><br>
Facebook Group <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

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      <title> Special Series: Becoming a Therapist - From Corporate Leadership to Counseling Advocacy: An Interview with Iris Wilson-Farley </title>
      <description>From Corporate Leadership to Counseling Advocacy: An Interview with Iris Wilson-Farley

Special Series: Becoming a Therapist

In this special Becoming a Therapist series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy welcome back Iris Wilson-Farley for a second-year check-in on her journey through graduate school. Iris reflects on how her expectations of training have shifted, what the internship search was really like in an online program, and how she’s preparing to move into primarily in-person clinical work. She also shares how her background in corporate leadership informs her approach to professional development, advocacy, and research, with a growing focus on sexual wellness and gender-affirming care.


About the Guest

Iris Wilson-Farley is a second-career counselor-in-training and graduate student in Clinical Mental Health Counseling at The Chicago School. After a 33-year career in corporate Human Resources and executive leadership, Iris is now focused on sexual wellness, gender-affirming care, and advocacy within the counseling profession. She is actively involved in professional organizations including ACA divisions focused on sexology and LGBTQIA+ identities and is working toward sex therapist certification through the Sexual Health Alliance.


Key Takeaways


  
How expectations often shift between the first and second year of graduate training



  
What the internship search can look like in online counseling programs



  
Preparing to transition from virtual learning to in-person clinical work



  
How prior professional experience can shape identity and leadership in training



  
The value of early involvement in advocacy, research, and professional organizations




You can listen to Iris’s first interview in the Becoming a Therapist series here:https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/finding-alignment-in-a-second-career-special-series-becoming-a-therapist-an-interview-with-iris-wilson-farley/

Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at:https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community


  
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Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined





Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/df0b8680-ecfc-11f0-8af4-dbf0778de83a/image/62252c8422f550c1bc57c3b7fdb7beb4.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>From Corporate Leadership to Counseling Advocacy: An Interview with Iris Wilson-Farley

Special Series: Becoming a Therapist

In this special Becoming a Therapist series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy welcome back Iris Wilson-Farley for a second-year check-in on her journey through graduate school. Iris reflects on how her expectations of training have shifted, what the internship search was really like in an online program, and how she’s preparing to move into primarily in-person clinical work. She also shares how her background in corporate leadership informs her approach to professional development, advocacy, and research, with a growing focus on sexual wellness and gender-affirming care.


About the Guest

Iris Wilson-Farley is a second-career counselor-in-training and graduate student in Clinical Mental Health Counseling at The Chicago School. After a 33-year career in corporate Human Resources and executive leadership, Iris is now focused on sexual wellness, gender-affirming care, and advocacy within the counseling profession. She is actively involved in professional organizations including ACA divisions focused on sexology and LGBTQIA+ identities and is working toward sex therapist certification through the Sexual Health Alliance.


Key Takeaways


  
How expectations often shift between the first and second year of graduate training



  
What the internship search can look like in online counseling programs



  
Preparing to transition from virtual learning to in-person clinical work



  
How prior professional experience can shape identity and leadership in training



  
The value of early involvement in advocacy, research, and professional organizations




You can listen to Iris’s first interview in the Becoming a Therapist series here:https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/finding-alignment-in-a-second-career-special-series-becoming-a-therapist-an-interview-with-iris-wilson-farley/

Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at:https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community


  
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Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined





Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>From Corporate Leadership to Counseling Advocacy: An Interview with Iris Wilson-Farley</strong></p>
<p><strong>Special Series: Becoming a Therapist</strong></p>
<p>In this special <em>Becoming a Therapist</em> series episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy welcome back Iris Wilson-Farley for a second-year check-in on her journey through graduate school. Iris reflects on how her expectations of training have shifted, what the internship search was really like in an online program, and how she’s preparing to move into primarily in-person clinical work. She also shares how her background in corporate leadership informs her approach to professional development, advocacy, and research, with a growing focus on sexual wellness and gender-affirming care.</p>
<p>
<strong>About the Guest</strong></p>
<p>Iris Wilson-Farley is a second-career counselor-in-training and graduate student in Clinical Mental Health Counseling at The Chicago School. After a 33-year career in corporate Human Resources and executive leadership, Iris is now focused on sexual wellness, gender-affirming care, and advocacy within the counseling profession. She is actively involved in professional organizations including ACA divisions focused on sexology and LGBTQIA+ identities and is working toward sex therapist certification through the Sexual Health Alliance.</p>
<p>
<strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>How expectations often shift between the first and second year of graduate training</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>What the internship search can look like in online counseling programs</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Preparing to transition from virtual learning to in-person clinical work</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>How prior professional experience can shape identity and leadership in training</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>The value of early involvement in advocacy, research, and professional organizations</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>You can listen to Iris’s first interview in the <em>Becoming a Therapist</em> series here:<br><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/finding-alignment-in-a-second-career-special-series-becoming-a-therapist-an-interview-with-iris-wilson-farley/">https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/finding-alignment-in-a-second-career-special-series-becoming-a-therapist-an-interview-with-iris-wilson-farley/</a></p>
<p>Find the full show notes and resources for this episode at:<br><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

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      <title>When Does Therapy Really Start? Managing Risk and Responsibility Before the First Session</title>
      <description>When Does Therapy Really Start? Managing Risk and Responsibility Before the First Session

When does therapy actually begin—and when does therapist responsibility start? Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy explore the ethical, legal, and clinical risks that can arise before the first session ever happens, and what therapists can do to protect both their clients and themselves.

In this host-led episode, they break down common scenarios involving consultation calls, intake paperwork, crisis disclosures, collateral contacts, and missed first appointments. They offer practical guidance for clarifying client status, setting boundaries early, and reducing risk at the very start of care.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Therapy can begin earlier than many clinicians expect



  
Agreeing to treatment may create responsibility even before the first session



  
Intake paperwork disclosures can require timely follow-up



  
Clear communication about availability and crisis procedures reduces risk



  
Collateral contacts are not clients unless explicitly defined as part of treatment



  
Follow-up and documentation matter, even when therapy never fully begins




Read the complete show notes and resources for this episode at:https://mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community

Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over: DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music: Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/f4036edc-ecec-11f0-a221-0f7f69e6109b/image/0bc8c42095507fd3382e9573aa9145d9.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Does Therapy Really Start? Managing Risk and Responsibility Before the First Session

When does therapy actually begin—and when does therapist responsibility start? Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy explore the ethical, legal, and clinical risks that can arise before the first session ever happens, and what therapists can do to protect both their clients and themselves.

In this host-led episode, they break down common scenarios involving consultation calls, intake paperwork, crisis disclosures, collateral contacts, and missed first appointments. They offer practical guidance for clarifying client status, setting boundaries early, and reducing risk at the very start of care.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Therapy can begin earlier than many clinicians expect



  
Agreeing to treatment may create responsibility even before the first session



  
Intake paperwork disclosures can require timely follow-up



  
Clear communication about availability and crisis procedures reduces risk



  
Collateral contacts are not clients unless explicitly defined as part of treatment



  
Follow-up and documentation matter, even when therapy never fully begins




Read the complete show notes and resources for this episode at:https://mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community

Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over: DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music: Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>When Does Therapy Really Start? Managing Risk and Responsibility Before the First Session</strong></p>
<p>When does therapy actually begin—and when does therapist responsibility start? Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy explore the ethical, legal, and clinical risks that can arise <em>before</em> the first session ever happens, and what therapists can do to protect both their clients and themselves.</p>
<p>In this host-led episode, they break down common scenarios involving consultation calls, intake paperwork, crisis disclosures, collateral contacts, and missed first appointments. They offer practical guidance for clarifying client status, setting boundaries early, and reducing risk at the very start of care.</p>
<p>
<strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Therapy can begin earlier than many clinicians expect</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Agreeing to treatment may create responsibility even before the first session</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Intake paperwork disclosures can require timely follow-up</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Clear communication about availability and crisis procedures reduces risk</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Collateral contacts are not clients unless explicitly defined as part of treatment</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Follow-up and documentation matter, even when therapy never fully begins</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Read the complete show notes and resources for this episode at:<br><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong></p>
<p>Facebook Group: <a href="">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p>Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over: DW McCann – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music: Crystal Grooms Mangano – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
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      <title>When Therapy Goes Vibe-Forward: The Cost of Losing Clinical Depth  - An Interview with TJ Walsh, LPC</title>
      <description>When Therapy Goes Vibe-Forward: The Cost of Losing Clinical Depth

An Interview with TJ Walsh, LPC

When therapy becomes more about relatability and “vibes” than clinical depth, what gets lost? Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with TJ Walsh, LPC about how social media culture is shaping therapy expectations, why neutrality and containment still matter, and how supervision and self-work support real therapeutic change.

This episode challenges therapists to balance authenticity with professionalism and to clearly orient clients to the slower, relational work that meaningful therapy requires.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Why vibe-forward therapy can feel supportive but limit long-term change



  
How neutrality functions as containment, not disengagement



  
The difference between validation and treatment



  
How social media shapes client expectations of therapy



  
Why supervision should continue well beyond licensure





Full Show Notes &amp; Transcript: https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast


Creative Credits

Voice Over: DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music: Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Therapy Goes Vibe-Forward: The Cost of Losing Clinical Depth

An Interview with TJ Walsh, LPC

When therapy becomes more about relatability and “vibes” than clinical depth, what gets lost? Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with TJ Walsh, LPC about how social media culture is shaping therapy expectations, why neutrality and containment still matter, and how supervision and self-work support real therapeutic change.

This episode challenges therapists to balance authenticity with professionalism and to clearly orient clients to the slower, relational work that meaningful therapy requires.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Why vibe-forward therapy can feel supportive but limit long-term change



  
How neutrality functions as containment, not disengagement



  
The difference between validation and treatment



  
How social media shapes client expectations of therapy



  
Why supervision should continue well beyond licensure





Full Show Notes &amp; Transcript: https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community

Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast


Creative Credits

Voice Over: DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music: Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>When Therapy Goes Vibe-Forward: The Cost of Losing Clinical Depth</strong></p>
<p><em><strong>An Interview with TJ Walsh, LPC</strong></em></p>
<p>When therapy becomes more about relatability and “vibes” than clinical depth, what gets lost? Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with TJ Walsh, LPC about how social media culture is shaping therapy expectations, why neutrality and containment still matter, and how supervision and self-work support real therapeutic change.</p>
<p>This episode challenges therapists to balance authenticity with professionalism and to clearly orient clients to the slower, relational work that meaningful therapy requires.</p>
<p>
<strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Why vibe-forward therapy can feel supportive but limit long-term change</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>How neutrality functions as containment, not disengagement</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>The difference between validation and treatment</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>How social media shapes client expectations of therapy</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Why supervision should continue well beyond licensure</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>
<em>Full Show Notes &amp; Transcript</em><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com"><em>: https://mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em></em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong></p>
<p>Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast</a><br></p>
<p>
<strong>Creative Credits</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over: <strong>DW McCann</strong> – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music: <strong>Crystal Grooms Mangano</strong> – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

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      <title>REPLAY: Working With Politically Divided Families with Angela Caldwell, LMFT</title>
      <description>REPLAY: Working With Politically Divided Families with Angela Caldwell, LMFT

In this Reprise episode, Curt and Katie revisit their timely conversation with Angela Caldwell, LMFT on working with politically divided families. This episode explores family systems, differentiation, distress tolerance, and therapeutic neutrality when political conflict enters the therapy room. Angela offers a hopeful, clinically grounded framework for helping families tolerate opposing viewpoints, stay in relationship, and navigate discomfort without forcing agreement, making this episode especially relevant during election cycles and holiday family gatherings.

You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 375 here: https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/how-can-therapists-help-politically-divided-families-an-interview-with-angela-caldwell-lmft/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2026 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/ea42233c-da24-11f0-a777-ffde59c7cbf4/image/a0bd62d8283cac259e0288c8625f58c8.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>REPLAY: Working With Politically Divided Families with Angela Caldwell, LMFT

In this Reprise episode, Curt and Katie revisit their timely conversation with Angela Caldwell, LMFT on working with politically divided families. This episode explores family systems, differentiation, distress tolerance, and therapeutic neutrality when political conflict enters the therapy room. Angela offers a hopeful, clinically grounded framework for helping families tolerate opposing viewpoints, stay in relationship, and navigate discomfort without forcing agreement, making this episode especially relevant during election cycles and holiday family gatherings.

You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 375 here: https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/how-can-therapists-help-politically-divided-families-an-interview-with-angela-caldwell-lmft/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>REPLAY: Working With Politically Divided Families with Angela Caldwell, LMFT</strong></p>
<p>In this Reprise episode, Curt and Katie revisit their timely conversation with Angela Caldwell, LMFT on working with politically divided families. This episode explores family systems, differentiation, distress tolerance, and therapeutic neutrality when political conflict enters the therapy room. Angela offers a hopeful, clinically grounded framework for helping families tolerate opposing viewpoints, stay in relationship, and navigate discomfort without forcing agreement, making this episode especially relevant during election cycles and holiday family gatherings.</p>
<p><em>You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 375 here: </em><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/how-can-therapists-help-politically-divided-families-an-interview-with-angela-caldwell-lmft/"><em>https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/how-can-therapists-help-politically-divided-families-an-interview-with-angela-caldwell-lmft/</em></a></p>
<p><br>

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      <title>REPLAY - Therapy As a Political Act: An Interview with Dr. Travis Heath</title>
      <description>Replay Episode: Therapy As a Political Act with Dr. Travis Heath

In this reprise episode, Curt and Katie revisit their powerful conversation with Dr. Travis Heath on why therapy is inherently a political act. Originally recorded in June 2020, just days after the murder of George Floyd, this episode examines how therapists navigate racism, systems of oppression, political overwhelm, and community trauma in the therapy room. Curt and Katie reflect on how the cultural landscape has shifted over the past five years, why Travis’s insights still resonate, and what therapists must continue doing to stay engaged in anti racist, decolonizing, and community centered work.



You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 158 here: https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapy-as-a-political-act/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/5d5ec76a-d487-11f0-90d9-6730dacea1eb/image/e243d41d9503f2700475d9590e99d7da.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Replay Episode: Therapy As a Political Act with Dr. Travis Heath

In this reprise episode, Curt and Katie revisit their powerful conversation with Dr. Travis Heath on why therapy is inherently a political act. Originally recorded in June 2020, just days after the murder of George Floyd, this episode examines how therapists navigate racism, systems of oppression, political overwhelm, and community trauma in the therapy room. Curt and Katie reflect on how the cultural landscape has shifted over the past five years, why Travis’s insights still resonate, and what therapists must continue doing to stay engaged in anti racist, decolonizing, and community centered work.



You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 158 here: https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapy-as-a-political-act/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Replay Episode: Therapy As a Political Act with Dr. Travis Heath</strong></p>
<p>In this reprise episode, Curt and Katie revisit their powerful conversation with Dr. Travis Heath on why therapy is inherently a political act. Originally recorded in June 2020, just days after the murder of George Floyd, this episode examines how therapists navigate racism, systems of oppression, political overwhelm, and community trauma in the therapy room. Curt and Katie reflect on how the cultural landscape has shifted over the past five years, why Travis’s insights still resonate, and what therapists must continue doing to stay engaged in anti racist, decolonizing, and community centered work.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 158 here: https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapy-as-a-political-act/</p>]]>
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      <itunes:duration>3023</itunes:duration>
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      <title>How Therapists Can Actually Rest During the Holidays: Letting Go of Guilt, Productivity, and Instagram-Worthy Expectations</title>
      <description>How Therapists Can Actually Rest During the Holidays: Letting Go of Guilt, Productivity, and Instagram-Worthy Expectations

Curt and Katie explore how therapists can create a real holiday break - not a performative or productivity-driven one. They discuss the pressure to rest “perfectly,” the guilt of not fully unplugging, how to shift into restorative downtime, and why passive vs. active rest matters. They also highlight anxiety, money scarcity, grief, and family dynamics that often intensify during the season, offering compassionate strategies for caring for yourself as a therapist and a human. 


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
You don’t need an Instagram-worthy vacation: real rest is allowed.



  
Rest is a process, not a switch; transition time matters.



  
It’s okay to be partially off and still check in lightly as needed.



  
Passive rest (scrolling) and active rest (movement, nature, connection) serve different purposes.



  
Anxiety, scarcity mindset, or family stress may drive overworking—notice the “why.”



  
The holidays can be hard; grief and emotional complexity deserve compassion.




Full show notes at: mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCann — https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano — https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/df7b3f7e-d16e-11f0-98d0-f3f8d49023c3/image/39da3f872c9efacd557f28b203152e9e.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Therapists Can Actually Rest During the Holidays: Letting Go of Guilt, Productivity, and Instagram-Worthy Expectations

Curt and Katie explore how therapists can create a real holiday break - not a performative or productivity-driven one. They discuss the pressure to rest “perfectly,” the guilt of not fully unplugging, how to shift into restorative downtime, and why passive vs. active rest matters. They also highlight anxiety, money scarcity, grief, and family dynamics that often intensify during the season, offering compassionate strategies for caring for yourself as a therapist and a human. 


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
You don’t need an Instagram-worthy vacation: real rest is allowed.



  
Rest is a process, not a switch; transition time matters.



  
It’s okay to be partially off and still check in lightly as needed.



  
Passive rest (scrolling) and active rest (movement, nature, connection) serve different purposes.



  
Anxiety, scarcity mindset, or family stress may drive overworking—notice the “why.”



  
The holidays can be hard; grief and emotional complexity deserve compassion.




Full show notes at: mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCann — https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano — https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>How Therapists Can Actually Rest During the Holidays: Letting Go of Guilt, Productivity, and Instagram-Worthy Expectations</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie explore how therapists can create a <em>real</em> holiday break - not a performative or productivity-driven one. They discuss the pressure to rest “perfectly,” the guilt of not fully unplugging, how to shift into restorative downtime, and why passive vs. active rest matters. They also highlight anxiety, money scarcity, grief, and family dynamics that often intensify during the season, offering compassionate strategies for caring for yourself as a therapist and a human. </p>
<p><strong>
Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>You don’t need an Instagram-worthy vacation: real rest is allowed.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Rest is a process, not a switch; transition time matters.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>It’s okay to be partially off and still check in lightly as needed.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Passive rest (scrolling) and active rest (movement, nature, connection) serve different purposes.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Anxiety, scarcity mindset, or family stress may drive overworking—notice the “why.”</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>The holidays can be hard; grief and emotional complexity deserve compassion.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Full show notes at: </em><em><strong>mtsgpodcast.com</strong></em></p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a><br>
<strong>Creative Credits</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann — <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano — <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

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      <itunes:duration>1942</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Bonus Episode! When Good Intentions Lead to Bad Policy: Why the BBS Needs Therapist Feedback – An Interview with Dr. Benjamin E. Caldwell,  LMFT</title>
      <description>When Good Intentions Lead to Bad Policy: Why the BBS Needs Therapist Feedback – An Interview with Dr. Benjamin E. Caldwell, LMFT

Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Benjamin E. Caldwell about the California BBS’s new regulatory proposals and why several well-intended ideas may actually undermine therapist education and professional standards. We discuss the proposal to award CE hours simply for providing supervision, giving CE credit for passive activities, concerns about codifying the licensing exam vendor, and the surprising reason behind the upcoming four-year fee reduction. Ben breaks down what therapists need to know—and how to make their voices heard during the public comment period.


About Our Guest: Dr. Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD, LMFT

Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Adjunct Faculty for California State University Northridge. He is the author of Basics of California Law for LMFTs, LPCCs, and LCSWs and the lead author of AAMFT’s Best Practices in the Online Practice of Couple and Family Therapy. His company, High Pass Education, provides exam prep and continuing education for mental health professionals.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


• Why the BBS’s proposed changes matter for therapists in and beyond California
• Concerns about awarding CE for providing supervision instead of structured learning
• How CE requirements may shift toward passive or non-educational activities
• Issues with naming Pearson VUE in regulation
• Why BBS fees will be reduced for four years
• How therapists can participate in the public comment period to influence policy



Full show notes and transcript available at mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community

 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Creative Credits


Voice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>bonus</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/445c60d2-d6fe-11f0-b080-9336586691b7/image/5e076e9b7d7346f6514e22f65d4aaaf6.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Good Intentions Lead to Bad Policy: Why the BBS Needs Therapist Feedback – An Interview with Dr. Benjamin E. Caldwell, LMFT

Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Benjamin E. Caldwell about the California BBS’s new regulatory proposals and why several well-intended ideas may actually undermine therapist education and professional standards. We discuss the proposal to award CE hours simply for providing supervision, giving CE credit for passive activities, concerns about codifying the licensing exam vendor, and the surprising reason behind the upcoming four-year fee reduction. Ben breaks down what therapists need to know—and how to make their voices heard during the public comment period.


About Our Guest: Dr. Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD, LMFT

Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Adjunct Faculty for California State University Northridge. He is the author of Basics of California Law for LMFTs, LPCCs, and LCSWs and the lead author of AAMFT’s Best Practices in the Online Practice of Couple and Family Therapy. His company, High Pass Education, provides exam prep and continuing education for mental health professionals.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


• Why the BBS’s proposed changes matter for therapists in and beyond California
• Concerns about awarding CE for providing supervision instead of structured learning
• How CE requirements may shift toward passive or non-educational activities
• Issues with naming Pearson VUE in regulation
• Why BBS fees will be reduced for four years
• How therapists can participate in the public comment period to influence policy



Full show notes and transcript available at mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community

 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Creative Credits


Voice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>When Good Intentions Lead to Bad Policy: Why the BBS Needs Therapist Feedback – An Interview with Dr. Benjamin E. Caldwell, LMFT</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Benjamin E. Caldwell about the California BBS’s new regulatory proposals and why several well-intended ideas may actually undermine therapist education and professional standards. We discuss the proposal to award CE hours simply for providing supervision, giving CE credit for passive activities, concerns about codifying the licensing exam vendor, and the surprising reason behind the upcoming four-year fee reduction. Ben breaks down what therapists need to know—and how to make their voices heard during the public comment period.</p>
<p>
<strong>About Our Guest: Dr. Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD, LMFT</strong></p>
<p>Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Adjunct Faculty for California State University Northridge. He is the author of <em>Basics of California Law for LMFTs, LPCCs, and LCSWs</em> and the lead author of AAMFT’s <em>Best Practices in the Online Practice of Couple and Family Therapy</em>. His company, High Pass Education, provides exam prep and continuing education for mental health professionals.</p>
<p>
<strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong>
</p>
<p>• Why the BBS’s proposed changes matter for therapists in and beyond California<br>
• Concerns about awarding CE for providing supervision instead of structured learning<br>
• How CE requirements may shift toward passive or non-educational activities<br>
• Issues with naming Pearson VUE in regulation<br>
• Why BBS fees will be reduced for four years<br>
• How therapists can participate in the public comment period to influence policy</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><em>Full show notes and transcript available at mtsgpodcast.com</em></p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong></p>
<p> Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a><br>
<strong>
Creative Credits</strong>
</p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

</p>]]>
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      <itunes:duration>2760</itunes:duration>
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      <title>How Therapists Can Help Clients Finally Sleep: An Interview with Jessica Fink, LCSW-S</title>
      <description>How Therapists Can Help Clients Finally Sleep: An Interview with Jessica Fink, LCSW-S

Curt and Katie interview sleep specialist Jessica Fink, LCSW-S, about what therapists often misunderstand about sleep—and what actually helps when clients are stuck in cycles of insomnia, nighttime anxiety, or maladaptive sleep behaviors. Jessica breaks down the limits of sleep hygiene, the fundamentals of CBT-I, what to do when clients wake up at 3 a.m. spiraling, how to distinguish tired vs. sleepy, and why wearables and blue light might be overrated concerns. She also shares how therapists can confidently assess sleep disorders and support behavioral sleep change without overmedicalizing the issue.


About Our Guest: Jessica Fink, LCSW-S
Jessica Fink, LCSW-S is a Texas-based therapist who specializes in sleep issues, PTSD, OCD, chronic pain and maladaptive overcontrol. As a CBT-oriented provider, Jessica uses structured, data-driven approaches combined with flexibility and creativity to create real, lasting change. Jessica values client independence, designing therapy to equip individuals with their own tools and coping strategies. Jessica's practice is entirely online and accessible to all Texas residents.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Sleep hygiene is prevention—not treatment for insomnia.



  
CBT-I is counterintuitive: don’t go to bed until sleepy, and get out of bed if awake too long.



  
A consistent wake time matters more than bedtime.



  
Blue light isn’t the enemy most people think it is.



  
Wearables can increase anxiety and worsen sleep perfectionism (“orthosomnia”).



  
Therapists play a crucial role even in medically driven sleep disorders like sleep apnea.



  
Scheduled “constructive worry” times can reduce nighttime rumination.




Full show notes and transcript available at:https://mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community: 

Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Creative Credits

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/
Voiceover by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b0c8b4fc-ca36-11f0-8a71-ff577c85d979/image/fe2abde125625c3ad0a4006b005ae38b.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
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      <itunes:summary>How Therapists Can Help Clients Finally Sleep: An Interview with Jessica Fink, LCSW-S

Curt and Katie interview sleep specialist Jessica Fink, LCSW-S, about what therapists often misunderstand about sleep—and what actually helps when clients are stuck in cycles of insomnia, nighttime anxiety, or maladaptive sleep behaviors. Jessica breaks down the limits of sleep hygiene, the fundamentals of CBT-I, what to do when clients wake up at 3 a.m. spiraling, how to distinguish tired vs. sleepy, and why wearables and blue light might be overrated concerns. She also shares how therapists can confidently assess sleep disorders and support behavioral sleep change without overmedicalizing the issue.


About Our Guest: Jessica Fink, LCSW-S
Jessica Fink, LCSW-S is a Texas-based therapist who specializes in sleep issues, PTSD, OCD, chronic pain and maladaptive overcontrol. As a CBT-oriented provider, Jessica uses structured, data-driven approaches combined with flexibility and creativity to create real, lasting change. Jessica values client independence, designing therapy to equip individuals with their own tools and coping strategies. Jessica's practice is entirely online and accessible to all Texas residents.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Sleep hygiene is prevention—not treatment for insomnia.



  
CBT-I is counterintuitive: don’t go to bed until sleepy, and get out of bed if awake too long.



  
A consistent wake time matters more than bedtime.



  
Blue light isn’t the enemy most people think it is.



  
Wearables can increase anxiety and worsen sleep perfectionism (“orthosomnia”).



  
Therapists play a crucial role even in medically driven sleep disorders like sleep apnea.



  
Scheduled “constructive worry” times can reduce nighttime rumination.




Full show notes and transcript available at:https://mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community: 

Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Creative Credits

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/
Voiceover by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>How Therapists Can Help Clients Finally Sleep: An Interview with Jessica Fink, LCSW-S</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie interview sleep specialist Jessica Fink, LCSW-S, about what therapists often misunderstand about sleep—and what actually helps when clients are stuck in cycles of insomnia, nighttime anxiety, or maladaptive sleep behaviors. Jessica breaks down the limits of sleep hygiene, the fundamentals of CBT-I, what to do when clients wake up at 3 a.m. spiraling, how to distinguish tired vs. sleepy, and why wearables and blue light might be overrated concerns. She also shares how therapists can confidently assess sleep disorders and support behavioral sleep change without overmedicalizing the issue.</p>
<p>
<strong>About Our Guest: Jessica Fink, LCSW-S</strong>
Jessica Fink, LCSW-S is a Texas-based therapist who specializes in sleep issues, PTSD, OCD, chronic pain and maladaptive overcontrol. As a CBT-oriented provider, Jessica uses structured, data-driven approaches combined with flexibility and creativity to create real, lasting change. Jessica values client independence, designing therapy to equip individuals with their own tools and coping strategies. Jessica's practice is entirely online and accessible to all Texas residents.</p>
<p>
<strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Sleep hygiene is prevention—not treatment for insomnia.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>CBT-I is counterintuitive: don’t go to bed until sleepy, and get out of bed if awake too long.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>A consistent wake time matters more than bedtime.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Blue light isn’t the enemy most people think it is.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Wearables can increase anxiety and worsen sleep perfectionism (“orthosomnia”).</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists play a crucial role even in medically driven sleep disorders like sleep apnea.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Scheduled “constructive worry” times can reduce nighttime rumination.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em><strong>Full show notes and transcript available at:</strong></em><br><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Communit</strong>y: </p>
<p>Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a><br>
<strong>Creative Credits</strong></p>
<p>Music by <strong>Crystal Grooms Mangano</strong> – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a><br>
Voiceover by <strong>DW McCann</strong> – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p>
<p>

</p>]]>
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      <title>Navigating Client Crises When Your Own Life Hits Hard</title>
      <description>Navigating Client Crises When Your Own Life Hits Hard

Curt and Katie talk about what therapists can do when client crises show up at the exact wrong time—during holidays, illness, personal stress, or overwhelming seasons of life. They explore capacity, boundaries, communication, safety planning, and how to ethically support clients without becoming a 24/7 crisis line. This is a practical, validating look at the realities therapists face when their own lives get complicated.


Key Takeaways


  
Therapists can assess capacity and complete a “busyness audit” to stay realistic about bandwidth.



  
Clear communication about availability helps prevent crisis-time misunderstandings.



  
Clients benefit from learning how to reach out with context so you can triage effectively.



  
Safety plans and community resources reduce client over-reliance on the therapist.



  
Therapists can hold boundaries while still supporting clients through crisis moments.




Full show notes and transcript are available at mtsgpodcast.com.


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined




Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Navigating Client Crises When Your Own Life Hits Hard

Curt and Katie talk about what therapists can do when client crises show up at the exact wrong time—during holidays, illness, personal stress, or overwhelming seasons of life. They explore capacity, boundaries, communication, safety planning, and how to ethically support clients without becoming a 24/7 crisis line. This is a practical, validating look at the realities therapists face when their own lives get complicated.


Key Takeaways


  
Therapists can assess capacity and complete a “busyness audit” to stay realistic about bandwidth.



  
Clear communication about availability helps prevent crisis-time misunderstandings.



  
Clients benefit from learning how to reach out with context so you can triage effectively.



  
Safety plans and community resources reduce client over-reliance on the therapist.



  
Therapists can hold boundaries while still supporting clients through crisis moments.




Full show notes and transcript are available at mtsgpodcast.com.


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined




Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Navigating Client Crises When Your Own Life Hits Hard</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie talk about what therapists can do when client crises show up at the exact wrong time—during holidays, illness, personal stress, or overwhelming seasons of life. They explore capacity, boundaries, communication, safety planning, and how to ethically support clients without becoming a 24/7 crisis line. This is a practical, validating look at the realities therapists face when their own lives get complicated.</p>
<p><strong>
Key Takeaways</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Therapists can assess capacity and complete a “busyness audit” to stay realistic about bandwidth.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Clear communication about availability helps prevent crisis-time misunderstandings.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Clients benefit from learning how to reach out with context so you can triage effectively.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Safety plans and community resources reduce client over-reliance on the therapist.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists can hold boundaries while still supporting clients through crisis moments.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Full show notes and transcript are available at mtsgpodcast.com.</em></p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong>

Voice Over by <strong>DW McCann</strong> – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by <strong>Crystal Grooms Mangano</strong> – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p>

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      <title>When Crisis Hits Home: How Therapists Can Survive and Support Each Other — An Interview with Jeanine Rousso</title>
      <description>When Crisis Hits Home: How Therapists Can Survive and Support Each Other — An Interview with Jeanine Rousso

Curt and Katie chat with Jeanine Rousso, a licensed counselor and supervisor in Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina and founder of Therapist Resource Network, about how therapists can care for themselves when natural disasters or crises directly impact them. They discuss why therapists often push past their limits, how to assess capacity and step back ethically, and the importance of financial preparedness and peer support.

About Our Guest:Jeanine Rousso is a licensed counselor and supervisor in Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina. She founded the nonprofit organization Therapist Resource Network to provide emergency financial support, burnout prevention and recovery, and advocacy for mental health professionals.

Key Takeaways for Therapists:


  
Therapists often try to maintain pre-crisis workloads after disasters, leading to burnout.



  
It’s essential to check your own capacity before showing up for clients.



  
Build financial documentation and savings as a personal safety net.



  
Disaster recovery requires both individual resilience and systemic advocacy.




Full Show Notes: mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:Linktree | Patreon | Facebook Group

Credits:Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano | Voiceover by DW McCann</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Crisis Hits Home: How Therapists Can Survive and Support Each Other — An Interview with Jeanine Rousso

Curt and Katie chat with Jeanine Rousso, a licensed counselor and supervisor in Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina and founder of Therapist Resource Network, about how therapists can care for themselves when natural disasters or crises directly impact them. They discuss why therapists often push past their limits, how to assess capacity and step back ethically, and the importance of financial preparedness and peer support.

About Our Guest:Jeanine Rousso is a licensed counselor and supervisor in Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina. She founded the nonprofit organization Therapist Resource Network to provide emergency financial support, burnout prevention and recovery, and advocacy for mental health professionals.

Key Takeaways for Therapists:


  
Therapists often try to maintain pre-crisis workloads after disasters, leading to burnout.



  
It’s essential to check your own capacity before showing up for clients.



  
Build financial documentation and savings as a personal safety net.



  
Disaster recovery requires both individual resilience and systemic advocacy.




Full Show Notes: mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:Linktree | Patreon | Facebook Group

Credits:Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano | Voiceover by DW McCann</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>When Crisis Hits Home: How Therapists Can Survive and Support Each Other — An Interview with Jeanine Rousso</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat with Jeanine Rousso, a licensed counselor and supervisor in Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina and founder of Therapist Resource Network, about how therapists can care for themselves when natural disasters or crises directly impact them. They discuss why therapists often push past their limits, how to assess capacity and step back ethically, and the importance of financial preparedness and peer support.</p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest:</strong><br>Jeanine Rousso is a licensed counselor and supervisor in Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina. She founded the nonprofit organization Therapist Resource Network to provide emergency financial support, burnout prevention and recovery, and advocacy for mental health professionals.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Therapists often try to maintain pre-crisis workloads after disasters, leading to burnout.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>It’s essential to check your own capacity before showing up for clients.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Build financial documentation and savings as a personal safety net.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Disaster recovery requires both individual resilience and systemic advocacy.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Full Show Notes:</strong> <a href="https://www.mtsgpodcast.com">mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree</a> | <a href="">Patreon</a> | <a href="">Facebook Group</a></p>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong><br>Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a> | Voiceover by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW">DW McCann</a></p>
<p>

</p>]]>
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      <title>Surviving Family Gatherings Without Becoming the Family Therapist: Emotional Boundaries for the Holidays</title>
      <description>Surviving Family Gatherings Without Becoming the Family Therapist: Emotional Boundaries for the Holidays

Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy explore how therapists can navigate family gatherings without slipping into the role of “family therapist.” They discuss emotional boundaries, guilt, codependency, and the importance of authenticity during the holiday season. Learn how to recognize old family patterns, manage emotional triggers, and show up as a whole human (not just a clinician) when family dynamics get complicated.

Key Takeaways for Therapists:


  
Therapists often revert to caretaker or mediator roles during family gatherings.



  
Emotional boundaries matter as much as physical ones: protect your energy.



  
“JADE” doesn’t go to Thanksgiving: Don’t Justify, Argue, Defend, or Explain.



  
It’s okay to have emotions and step away from unproductive conversations.



  
Clarify your role (family member, not therapist) and engage authentically.




Listen to the full episode and access resources:Full show notes at mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:

Patreon



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/ae6cc786-b9ef-11f0-8c11-7b4b8239a6ab/image/9d7f1997947c4142882c6deb7fcf4e57.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Surviving Family Gatherings Without Becoming the Family Therapist: Emotional Boundaries for the Holidays

Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy explore how therapists can navigate family gatherings without slipping into the role of “family therapist.” They discuss emotional boundaries, guilt, codependency, and the importance of authenticity during the holiday season. Learn how to recognize old family patterns, manage emotional triggers, and show up as a whole human (not just a clinician) when family dynamics get complicated.

Key Takeaways for Therapists:


  
Therapists often revert to caretaker or mediator roles during family gatherings.



  
Emotional boundaries matter as much as physical ones: protect your energy.



  
“JADE” doesn’t go to Thanksgiving: Don’t Justify, Argue, Defend, or Explain.



  
It’s okay to have emotions and step away from unproductive conversations.



  
Clarify your role (family member, not therapist) and engage authentically.




Listen to the full episode and access resources:Full show notes at mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:

Patreon



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Surviving Family Gatherings Without Becoming the Family Therapist: Emotional Boundaries for the Holidays</strong></p>
<p>Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy explore how therapists can navigate family gatherings without slipping into the role of “family therapist.” They discuss emotional boundaries, guilt, codependency, and the importance of authenticity during the holiday season. Learn how to recognize old family patterns, manage emotional triggers, and show up as a whole human (not just a clinician) when family dynamics get complicated.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Therapists often revert to caretaker or mediator roles during family gatherings.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Emotional boundaries matter as much as physical ones: protect your energy.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>“JADE” doesn’t go to Thanksgiving: Don’t Justify, Argue, Defend, or Explain.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>It’s okay to have emotions and step away from unproductive conversations.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Clarify your role (family member, not therapist) and engage authentically.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Listen to the full episode and access resources:</strong><br><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">Full show notes at mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong><a href="">Patreon</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>
Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
<p>

</p>]]>
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      <title>Designing a Sustainable Therapy Career: Reflections on Burnout, Legacy, and Letting Go</title>
      <description>Designing a Sustainable Therapy Career: Reflections on Burnout, Legacy, and Letting Go
Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy reflect on what it takes to build and sustain a meaningful therapy career and how to leave the profession well. They explore professional identity, burnout, and how to stay connected to the work without losing yourself in it. Drawing from recent interviews with Lynn Grodzki, Margaret Wehrenberg, and Ofra Obejas, they share insights on sustainability, capacity, and creating a “good finish” for your therapy career.

Key Takeaways for Therapists:


  
Therapists need intentional career design. Sustainability doesn’t happen by accident.



  
Burnout can distort your love for the work and your professional identity.



  
Regular reflection helps ensure your career still aligns with your values and capacity.



  
Building community and connection is essential to avoiding isolation in private practice.



  
Planning early for closure allows for a more graceful and fulfilling finish.




Link to Full Show Notes:https://mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community: Linktree



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/1503c4de-b673-11f0-9c8f-7b20ff092ace/image/d6b051597da441eccb2b80cb1aa003b2.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Designing a Sustainable Therapy Career: Reflections on Burnout, Legacy, and Letting Go
Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy reflect on what it takes to build and sustain a meaningful therapy career and how to leave the profession well. They explore professional identity, burnout, and how to stay connected to the work without losing yourself in it. Drawing from recent interviews with Lynn Grodzki, Margaret Wehrenberg, and Ofra Obejas, they share insights on sustainability, capacity, and creating a “good finish” for your therapy career.

Key Takeaways for Therapists:


  
Therapists need intentional career design. Sustainability doesn’t happen by accident.



  
Burnout can distort your love for the work and your professional identity.



  
Regular reflection helps ensure your career still aligns with your values and capacity.



  
Building community and connection is essential to avoiding isolation in private practice.



  
Planning early for closure allows for a more graceful and fulfilling finish.




Link to Full Show Notes:https://mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community: Linktree



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Designing a Sustainable Therapy Career: Reflections on Burnout, Legacy, and Letting Go</strong><br>
Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy reflect on what it takes to build and sustain a meaningful therapy career and how to leave the profession well. They explore professional identity, burnout, and how to stay connected to the work without losing yourself in it. Drawing from recent interviews with Lynn Grodzki, Margaret Wehrenberg, and Ofra Obejas, they share insights on sustainability, capacity, and creating a “good finish” for your therapy career.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Therapists need intentional career design. Sustainability doesn’t happen by accident.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Burnout can distort your love for the work and your professional identity.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Regular reflection helps ensure your career still aligns with your values and capacity.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Building community and connection is essential to avoiding isolation in private practice.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Planning early for closure allows for a more graceful and fulfilling finish.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Link to Full Show Notes:</strong><br><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community: </strong><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>
Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
<p>

</p>]]>
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      <title>When Burnout Ends Your Therapy Career: An Interview with Ofra Obejas</title>
      <description>When Burnout Ends Your Therapy Career: An Interview with Ofra Obejas

Curt and Katie speak with Ofra Obejas, LCSW (Retired), about what happens when even the most dedicated therapists reach their limits. After 20 years in practice, Ofra recognized she could no longer sustain the emotional and systemic demands of the work and chose to close her practice with integrity. She shares what burnout really looks like, how unrealistic professional expectations fuel it, and what therapists can do to protect themselves before it’s too late.



About Our Guest: Ofra Obejas, LCSW (Retired)

Ofra Obejas, LCSW Retired, has just closed her practice after 20 years and many letters after her name. Over her career, she provided individual and group therapy to thousands, was on the faculty of a university therapy training program, and presented CEs to hundreds. Despite this clear proof of her expertise, she feels like a failure, a fate she wishes to save newer therapists from.



Key Takeaways for Therapists


  Burnout isn’t a personal weakness—it’s a mismatch between what therapy demands and what clinicians can sustainably give.

  “Self-care” can’t fix systemic overload or chronic emotional depletion.

  Therapists must honor their own limits and values to avoid running out of gas.

  Leaving the field can be an act of integrity, not failure.


Listen to the full conversation and find resources at: mtsgpodcast.com




Join the Modern Therapist Community

Patreon


Creative Credits


Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/beb45806-b0fe-11f0-9e58-e3300dbaf50a/image/ea48f044a2096f50d9513ad40c76c1b5.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
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      <itunes:summary>When Burnout Ends Your Therapy Career: An Interview with Ofra Obejas

Curt and Katie speak with Ofra Obejas, LCSW (Retired), about what happens when even the most dedicated therapists reach their limits. After 20 years in practice, Ofra recognized she could no longer sustain the emotional and systemic demands of the work and chose to close her practice with integrity. She shares what burnout really looks like, how unrealistic professional expectations fuel it, and what therapists can do to protect themselves before it’s too late.



About Our Guest: Ofra Obejas, LCSW (Retired)

Ofra Obejas, LCSW Retired, has just closed her practice after 20 years and many letters after her name. Over her career, she provided individual and group therapy to thousands, was on the faculty of a university therapy training program, and presented CEs to hundreds. Despite this clear proof of her expertise, she feels like a failure, a fate she wishes to save newer therapists from.



Key Takeaways for Therapists


  Burnout isn’t a personal weakness—it’s a mismatch between what therapy demands and what clinicians can sustainably give.

  “Self-care” can’t fix systemic overload or chronic emotional depletion.

  Therapists must honor their own limits and values to avoid running out of gas.

  Leaving the field can be an act of integrity, not failure.


Listen to the full conversation and find resources at: mtsgpodcast.com




Join the Modern Therapist Community

Patreon


Creative Credits


Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>When Burnout Ends Your Therapy Career: An Interview with Ofra Obejas</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie speak with Ofra Obejas, LCSW (Retired), about what happens when even the most dedicated therapists reach their limits. After 20 years in practice, Ofra recognized she could no longer sustain the emotional and systemic demands of the work and chose to close her practice with integrity. She shares what burnout really looks like, how unrealistic professional expectations fuel it, and what therapists can do to protect themselves before it’s too late.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest: Ofra Obejas, LCSW (Retired)</strong></p>
<p>Ofra Obejas, LCSW Retired, has just closed her practice after 20 years and many letters after her name. Over her career, she provided individual and group therapy to thousands, was on the faculty of a university therapy training program, and presented CEs to hundreds. Despite this clear proof of her expertise, she feels like a failure, a fate she wishes to save newer therapists from.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>Burnout isn’t a personal weakness—it’s a mismatch between what therapy demands and what clinicians can sustainably give.</li>
  <li>“Self-care” can’t fix systemic overload or chronic emotional depletion.</li>
  <li>Therapists must honor their own limits and values to avoid running out of gas.</li>
  <li>Leaving the field can be an act of integrity, not failure.</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Listen to the full conversation and find resources at: mtsgpodcast.com</em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong></p>
<p><a href="">Patreon</a></p>
<p><strong>
Creative Credits</strong>
</p>
<p>Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>
Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
<p>

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      <title>How Therapists Retire: Planning, Ethics, and Letting Go of the Work You Love – An Interview with Lynn Grodzki, LCSW and Margaret Wehrenberg, PsyD</title>
      <description>How Therapists Retire: Planning, Ethics, and Letting Go of the Work You Love – An Interview with Lynn Grodzki, LCSW and Margaret Wehrenberg, PsyD

Curt and Katie talk with Lynn Grodzki and Margaret Wehrenberg about how therapists can plan for retirement with intention and integrity. They explore the emotional, ethical, and practical considerations of closing a practice, navigating readiness, and redefining identity after a lifetime of therapeutic work.


About Our Guests
Lynn Grodzki, LCSW-C, MCC is a pioneer in private practice development and the author of six influential books on therapy and coaching.Margaret Wehrenberg, Psy.D. is an internationally recognized expert on anxiety and depression and the author of 13 books, including The 10 Best-Ever Anxiety Management Techniques.
Together, they offer a rare blend of clinical experience, practical strategies, and heartfelt compassion.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Retirement is one of the most consequential transitions in a therapist’s professional life.



  
Lynn and Margaret’s Readiness for Retirement Model helps therapists plan across four stages: pre-contemplation, contemplation, preparation, and action.



  
Planning early supports ethical closure and a smoother emotional process for both therapist and client.



  
Common barriers include guilt, grief, and identity shifts—as well as lack of business or financial planning.



  
Creating a professional will and protecting intellectual property are essential parts of ending well.



  
Therapists can honor their legacy by recognizing the lasting impact of their work and embracing new opportunities in retirement.





For more information and full show notes

Visit: mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community

Linktree


Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/c6683f4e-ae16-11f0-8f8f-0f6b9c57ea31/image/54668ca3dfa4645caf423372219f2b9d.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Therapists Retire: Planning, Ethics, and Letting Go of the Work You Love – An Interview with Lynn Grodzki, LCSW and Margaret Wehrenberg, PsyD

Curt and Katie talk with Lynn Grodzki and Margaret Wehrenberg about how therapists can plan for retirement with intention and integrity. They explore the emotional, ethical, and practical considerations of closing a practice, navigating readiness, and redefining identity after a lifetime of therapeutic work.


About Our Guests
Lynn Grodzki, LCSW-C, MCC is a pioneer in private practice development and the author of six influential books on therapy and coaching.Margaret Wehrenberg, Psy.D. is an internationally recognized expert on anxiety and depression and the author of 13 books, including The 10 Best-Ever Anxiety Management Techniques.
Together, they offer a rare blend of clinical experience, practical strategies, and heartfelt compassion.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Retirement is one of the most consequential transitions in a therapist’s professional life.



  
Lynn and Margaret’s Readiness for Retirement Model helps therapists plan across four stages: pre-contemplation, contemplation, preparation, and action.



  
Planning early supports ethical closure and a smoother emotional process for both therapist and client.



  
Common barriers include guilt, grief, and identity shifts—as well as lack of business or financial planning.



  
Creating a professional will and protecting intellectual property are essential parts of ending well.



  
Therapists can honor their legacy by recognizing the lasting impact of their work and embracing new opportunities in retirement.





For more information and full show notes

Visit: mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community

Linktree


Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>How Therapists Retire: Planning, Ethics, and Letting Go of the Work You Love – An Interview with Lynn Grodzki, LCSW and Margaret Wehrenberg, PsyD</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie talk with Lynn Grodzki and Margaret Wehrenberg about how therapists can plan for retirement with intention and integrity. They explore the emotional, ethical, and practical considerations of closing a practice, navigating readiness, and redefining identity after a lifetime of therapeutic work.</p>
<p>
<strong>About Our Guests</strong>
<strong>Lynn Grodzki, LCSW-C, MCC</strong> is a pioneer in private practice development and the author of six influential books on therapy and coaching.<br><strong>Margaret Wehrenberg, Psy.D.</strong> is an internationally recognized expert on anxiety and depression and the author of 13 books, including <em>The 10 Best-Ever Anxiety Management Techniques.</em><br>
Together, they offer a rare blend of clinical experience, practical strategies, and heartfelt compassion.</p>
<p>
<strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Retirement is one of the most consequential transitions in a therapist’s professional life.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Lynn and Margaret’s <strong>Readiness for Retirement Model</strong> helps therapists plan across four stages: pre-contemplation, contemplation, preparation, and action.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Planning early supports <strong>ethical closure</strong> and a smoother emotional process for both therapist and client.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Common barriers include <strong>guilt, grief, and identity shifts</strong>—as well as lack of business or financial planning.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Creating a <strong>professional will</strong> and protecting intellectual property are essential parts of ending well.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists can honor their <strong>legacy</strong> by recognizing the lasting impact of their work and embracing new opportunities in retirement.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>
<strong>For more information and full show notes</strong></p>
<p>Visit: <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong>

<a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree</a>


<strong>Creative Credits</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>
Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
<p>

<br></p>]]>
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      <title>Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide: SimplePractice</title>
      <description>Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide: SimplePractice

Curt and Katie talk with Jonathan Seltzer, CEO of SimplePractice, about how the company continues to evolve to meet the needs of independent mental health professionals. They discuss SimplePractice’s mission to empower clinicians with intuitive tools, transparency around investors, and the responsible use of AI to reduce administrative burdens while maintaining clinical integrity.

This episode is part of our Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide series, where we explore tools and services that help therapists and their clients thrive.


Guest Bio
Jonathan Seltzer is the CEO of SimplePractice, a software platform built to empower private practice clinicians to run thriving, independent practices. He leads a team of over 550 people supporting more than 225,000 clinicians who use SimplePractice to provide care. Jonathan is passionate about helping therapists operate with greater confidence, ease, and connection to the broader healthcare ecosystem.


Key Takeaways


  
SimplePractice remains focused on empowering independent and small-group clinicians.



  
The company prioritizes transparency and clinician trust in how it handles data, investment, and innovation.



  
AI tools are designed to **augment—not replace—**therapists, with high clinical and ethical standards.




🔗 Full show notes: mtsgpodcast.com
🎁 Special Offer: Check out current SimplePractice offers at simplepractice.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Patreon 



Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>bonus</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/65ae9046-aa23-11f0-892b-b7369e612eda/image/f754a7683462e8ad23f40d0b36726f35.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide: SimplePractice

Curt and Katie talk with Jonathan Seltzer, CEO of SimplePractice, about how the company continues to evolve to meet the needs of independent mental health professionals. They discuss SimplePractice’s mission to empower clinicians with intuitive tools, transparency around investors, and the responsible use of AI to reduce administrative burdens while maintaining clinical integrity.

This episode is part of our Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide series, where we explore tools and services that help therapists and their clients thrive.


Guest Bio
Jonathan Seltzer is the CEO of SimplePractice, a software platform built to empower private practice clinicians to run thriving, independent practices. He leads a team of over 550 people supporting more than 225,000 clinicians who use SimplePractice to provide care. Jonathan is passionate about helping therapists operate with greater confidence, ease, and connection to the broader healthcare ecosystem.


Key Takeaways


  
SimplePractice remains focused on empowering independent and small-group clinicians.



  
The company prioritizes transparency and clinician trust in how it handles data, investment, and innovation.



  
AI tools are designed to **augment—not replace—**therapists, with high clinical and ethical standards.




🔗 Full show notes: mtsgpodcast.com
🎁 Special Offer: Check out current SimplePractice offers at simplepractice.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Patreon 



Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide: SimplePractice</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie talk with Jonathan Seltzer, CEO of SimplePractice, about how the company continues to evolve to meet the needs of independent mental health professionals. They discuss SimplePractice’s mission to empower clinicians with intuitive tools, transparency around investors, and the responsible use of AI to reduce administrative burdens while maintaining clinical integrity.</p>
<p>This episode is part of our <em>Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide</em> series, where we explore tools and services that help therapists and their clients thrive.</p>
<p>
<strong>Guest Bio</strong>
Jonathan Seltzer is the CEO of SimplePractice, a software platform built to empower private practice clinicians to run thriving, independent practices. He leads a team of over 550 people supporting more than 225,000 clinicians who use SimplePractice to provide care. Jonathan is passionate about helping therapists operate with greater confidence, ease, and connection to the broader healthcare ecosystem.</p>
<p>
<strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>SimplePractice remains focused on empowering independent and small-group clinicians.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>The company prioritizes transparency and clinician trust in how it handles data, investment, and innovation.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>AI tools are designed to **augment—not replace—**therapists, with high clinical and ethical standards.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>🔗 <strong>Full show notes:</strong> <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">mtsgpodcast.com</a><br>
🎁 <strong>Special Offer:</strong> Check out current SimplePractice offers at <a href="https://partners.simplepractice.com/asl9ivlx97vd">simplepractice.com</a></p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong>
<a href="">Patreon</a> </p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits</strong><br>
Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>
Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
<p>

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      <title>Protecting Clients Through Better Notes: An Interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey</title>
      <description>Protecting Clients Through Better Notes: An Interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey

Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey about how therapists can document ethically and protectively in a politically charged climate. They explore how to handle sensitive topics like gender identity, reproductive rights, and immigration status while keeping documentation accurate, ethical, and safe for clients.


About Our Guest
Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey is a licensed psychologist, nail design enthusiast, and author of the book, Stress-Free Documentation for Mental Health Therapists. Through her business QA Prep, she empowers therapists with training and consultation on clinical documentation. Maelisa focuses on the “why” behind the usual recommendations and encourages clinicians to think outside the box, while also keeping their ethics intact.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Documentation can carry legal and ethical risks in today’s climate.



  
Use clear but sensitive language when writing notes.



  
Informed consent and collaboration with clients are essential.



  
Focus on clinical themes rather than politically charged terms.



  
Review your own forms and practices for unnecessary information.





More Info and Full Show Notes

Visit mtsgpodcast.com for the full show notes, transcripts, and resources from this episode.


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree




Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCannMusic by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/0688ae62-a627-11f0-a2ac-1796e2fba256/image/a0d1547a24a175f0fdbdd6cfbe4e4926.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Protecting Clients Through Better Notes: An Interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey

Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey about how therapists can document ethically and protectively in a politically charged climate. They explore how to handle sensitive topics like gender identity, reproductive rights, and immigration status while keeping documentation accurate, ethical, and safe for clients.


About Our Guest
Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey is a licensed psychologist, nail design enthusiast, and author of the book, Stress-Free Documentation for Mental Health Therapists. Through her business QA Prep, she empowers therapists with training and consultation on clinical documentation. Maelisa focuses on the “why” behind the usual recommendations and encourages clinicians to think outside the box, while also keeping their ethics intact.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Documentation can carry legal and ethical risks in today’s climate.



  
Use clear but sensitive language when writing notes.



  
Informed consent and collaboration with clients are essential.



  
Focus on clinical themes rather than politically charged terms.



  
Review your own forms and practices for unnecessary information.





More Info and Full Show Notes

Visit mtsgpodcast.com for the full show notes, transcripts, and resources from this episode.


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree




Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCannMusic by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Protecting Clients Through Better Notes: An Interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey</strong></p>
<p>Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey about how therapists can document ethically and protectively in a politically charged climate. They explore how to handle sensitive topics like gender identity, reproductive rights, and immigration status while keeping documentation accurate, ethical, and safe for clients.</p>
<p>
<strong>About Our Guest</strong>
Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey is a licensed psychologist, nail design enthusiast, and author of the book, <em>Stress-Free Documentation for Mental Health Therapists</em>. Through her business QA Prep, she empowers therapists with training and consultation on clinical documentation. Maelisa focuses on the “why” behind the usual recommendations and encourages clinicians to think outside the box, while also keeping their ethics intact.</p>
<p><strong>
Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Documentation can carry legal and ethical risks in today’s climate.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Use clear but sensitive language when writing notes.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Informed consent and collaboration with clients are essential.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Focus on clinical themes rather than politically charged terms.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Review your own forms and practices for unnecessary information.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>
<strong>More Info and Full Show Notes</strong></p>
<p>Visit <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">mtsgpodcast.com</a> for the full show notes, transcripts, and resources from this episode.</p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong>
<a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>
Creative Credits</strong>
Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
<p>

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      <title>How Conscious Awareness Shapes Leadership, Therapy, and Collective Healing: An interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD</title>
      <description>How Conscious Awareness Shapes Leadership, Therapy, and Collective Healing: An Interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD

Curt and Katie chat with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD, about how consciousness and intentional awareness can transform therapy, leadership, and community. Pardis shares how cultivating our “inner state," moving from suffering to a “beautiful state,” impacts how we lead, connect, and heal collectively. She offers practical ways therapists can integrate mindfulness, breath mastery, and curiosity into their work to help clients (and themselves) live with greater awareness and alignment.

About Our Guest:Pardis Mahdavi, PhD is an author, educator, and entrepreneur. She has written seven non-fiction books and two edited volumes, including Book of Queens (2023) and Riding (2024). A former university president and global human rights expert, Pardis now leads Entheon Journeys, focusing on consciousness, leadership, and transformation. Her work has been featured in Time, Ms. Magazine, Huffington Post, and the Los Angeles Times.

Key Takeaways:


  
Consciousness work deepens mindfulness into an ongoing framework for intentional living and healing.



  
Therapists can help clients identify and shift their inner “state” from suffering toward beauty, calm, and connection.



  
Preventive practices such as meditation, journaling, and breath mastery support long-term wellbeing and resilience.



  
Leadership and therapy are energetic processes: awareness of one’s own state affects how others experience us.



  
Community healing grows when curiosity replaces critique and connection transcends identity barriers.




More Info &amp; Full Show Notes:https://mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:

Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b6958752-a556-11f0-9549-3fa640960b06/image/ec255b0f55f575e1a581bea39a72b5b6.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Conscious Awareness Shapes Leadership, Therapy, and Collective Healing: An Interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD

Curt and Katie chat with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD, about how consciousness and intentional awareness can transform therapy, leadership, and community. Pardis shares how cultivating our “inner state," moving from suffering to a “beautiful state,” impacts how we lead, connect, and heal collectively. She offers practical ways therapists can integrate mindfulness, breath mastery, and curiosity into their work to help clients (and themselves) live with greater awareness and alignment.

About Our Guest:Pardis Mahdavi, PhD is an author, educator, and entrepreneur. She has written seven non-fiction books and two edited volumes, including Book of Queens (2023) and Riding (2024). A former university president and global human rights expert, Pardis now leads Entheon Journeys, focusing on consciousness, leadership, and transformation. Her work has been featured in Time, Ms. Magazine, Huffington Post, and the Los Angeles Times.

Key Takeaways:


  
Consciousness work deepens mindfulness into an ongoing framework for intentional living and healing.



  
Therapists can help clients identify and shift their inner “state” from suffering toward beauty, calm, and connection.



  
Preventive practices such as meditation, journaling, and breath mastery support long-term wellbeing and resilience.



  
Leadership and therapy are energetic processes: awareness of one’s own state affects how others experience us.



  
Community healing grows when curiosity replaces critique and connection transcends identity barriers.




More Info &amp; Full Show Notes:https://mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:

Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>How Conscious Awareness Shapes Leadership, Therapy, and Collective Healing: An Interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD, about how consciousness and intentional awareness can transform therapy, leadership, and community. Pardis shares how cultivating our “inner state," moving from suffering to a “beautiful state,” impacts how we lead, connect, and heal collectively. She offers practical ways therapists can integrate mindfulness, breath mastery, and curiosity into their work to help clients (and themselves) live with greater awareness and alignment.</p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest:</strong><br><strong>Pardis Mahdavi, PhD</strong> is an author, educator, and entrepreneur. She has written seven non-fiction books and two edited volumes, including <em>Book of Queens</em> (2023) and <em>Riding</em> (2024). A former university president and global human rights expert, Pardis now leads Entheon Journeys, focusing on consciousness, leadership, and transformation. Her work has been featured in <em>Time</em>, <em>Ms. Magazine</em>, <em>Huffington Post</em>, and the <em>Los Angeles Times.</em></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Consciousness work deepens mindfulness into an ongoing framework for intentional living and healing.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists can help clients identify and shift their inner “state” from suffering toward beauty, calm, and connection.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Preventive practices such as meditation, journaling, and breath mastery support long-term wellbeing and resilience.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Leadership and therapy are energetic processes: awareness of one’s own state affects how others experience us.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Community healing grows when curiosity replaces critique and connection transcends identity barriers.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>More Info &amp; Full Show Notes:</strong><br><a href="">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong></p>
<p>Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>
Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
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      <title>The Crisis in College Mental Health: An Interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD</title>
      <description>The Crisis in College Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Pardis Mahdavi, PhD

Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with Dr. Pardis Mahdavi about the growing mental-health crisis among college students. Pardis shares insights from her years in higher education leadership—revealing how rising costs, outdated systems, and lack of purpose are driving student anxiety and burnout. Together they explore what therapists, universities, and communities can do to realign education with meaning, wellbeing, and real-world readiness.



About Our Guest: Dr. Pardis Mahdavi, Ph.D.

Pardis Mahdavi is an author, educator, and entrepreneur whose work spans human rights, education policy, and consciousness. A former university president and provost, she is the author of seven nonfiction books including The Book of Queens (Hachette Books, 2023) and Riding (Duke University Press, 2024). She currently leads Entheon Journeys and The Bondery House, fostering connection and expanded awareness.



Key Takeaways for Therapists


  College students face unprecedented levels of anxiety and depression—driven by systemic disconnection, financial stress, and unclear purpose. 

  Higher education often fails to evolve with societal change, leaving students feeling unprepared and unseen.

  Preventive supports like mindfulness and mentorship should be built into the college experience.

  Therapists can help students find meaning, manage uncertainty, and advocate for collaborative care across campus systems.


Full show notes: mtsgpodcast.com



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Creative Credits:


Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>The Crisis in College Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Pardis Mahdavi, PhD

Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with Dr. Pardis Mahdavi about the growing mental-health crisis among college students. Pardis shares insights from her years in higher education leadership—revealing how rising costs, outdated systems, and lack of purpose are driving student anxiety and burnout. Together they explore what therapists, universities, and communities can do to realign education with meaning, wellbeing, and real-world readiness.



About Our Guest: Dr. Pardis Mahdavi, Ph.D.

Pardis Mahdavi is an author, educator, and entrepreneur whose work spans human rights, education policy, and consciousness. A former university president and provost, she is the author of seven nonfiction books including The Book of Queens (Hachette Books, 2023) and Riding (Duke University Press, 2024). She currently leads Entheon Journeys and The Bondery House, fostering connection and expanded awareness.



Key Takeaways for Therapists


  College students face unprecedented levels of anxiety and depression—driven by systemic disconnection, financial stress, and unclear purpose. 

  Higher education often fails to evolve with societal change, leaving students feeling unprepared and unseen.

  Preventive supports like mindfulness and mentorship should be built into the college experience.

  Therapists can help students find meaning, manage uncertainty, and advocate for collaborative care across campus systems.


Full show notes: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community

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Creative Credits:


Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>The Crisis in College Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Pardis Mahdavi, PhD</strong></p>
<p>Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk with Dr. Pardis Mahdavi about the growing mental-health crisis among college students. Pardis shares insights from her years in higher education leadership—revealing how rising costs, outdated systems, and lack of purpose are driving student anxiety and burnout. Together they explore what therapists, universities, and communities can do to realign education with meaning, wellbeing, and real-world readiness.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest: Dr. Pardis Mahdavi, Ph.D.</strong></p>
<p>Pardis Mahdavi is an author, educator, and entrepreneur whose work spans human rights, education policy, and consciousness. A former university president and provost, she is the author of seven nonfiction books including The Book of Queens (Hachette Books, 2023) and Riding (Duke University Press, 2024). She currently leads Entheon Journeys and The Bondery House, fostering connection and expanded awareness.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>College students face unprecedented levels of anxiety and depression—driven by systemic disconnection, financial stress, and unclear purpose. </li>
  <li>Higher education often fails to evolve with societal change, leaving students feeling unprepared and unseen.</li>
  <li>Preventive supports like mindfulness and mentorship should be built into the college experience.</li>
  <li>Therapists can help students find meaning, manage uncertainty, and advocate for collaborative care across campus systems.</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Full show notes: </em><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast/"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong></p>
<p><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Our Linktree</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<p>
Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>
Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a>



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      <title>Medical Necessity or Personal Growth? Why Documentation Matters in Therapy</title>
      <description>Medical Necessity or Personal Growth? Why Documentation Matters in Therapy

Curt and Katie talk about medical necessity in therapy documentation – what it is, why it matters, and how therapists can navigate the tension between clinical care, insurance requirements, and personal growth. We explore how documentation protects therapists in utilization reviews and disciplinary processes, and how to ethically distinguish therapy from coaching or self-improvement.

Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Why documenting medical necessity matters for insurance, ethics, and liability



  
Risks of over-diagnosing or misrepresenting symptoms



  
The role of treatment plans and progress notes in demonstrating medical necessity



  
Navigating personal growth requests vs. clinical therapy



  
Protecting yourself with clear, consistent documentation




About Our Hosts


  
Curt Widhalm, LMFT – www.curtwidhalm.com



  
Katie Vernoy, LMFT – www.katievernoy.com




Find the transcript and additional resources at mtsgpodcast.com.



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Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCann

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Medical Necessity or Personal Growth? Why Documentation Matters in Therapy

Curt and Katie talk about medical necessity in therapy documentation – what it is, why it matters, and how therapists can navigate the tension between clinical care, insurance requirements, and personal growth. We explore how documentation protects therapists in utilization reviews and disciplinary processes, and how to ethically distinguish therapy from coaching or self-improvement.

Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Why documenting medical necessity matters for insurance, ethics, and liability



  
Risks of over-diagnosing or misrepresenting symptoms



  
The role of treatment plans and progress notes in demonstrating medical necessity



  
Navigating personal growth requests vs. clinical therapy



  
Protecting yourself with clear, consistent documentation




About Our Hosts


  
Curt Widhalm, LMFT – www.curtwidhalm.com



  
Katie Vernoy, LMFT – www.katievernoy.com




Find the transcript and additional resources at mtsgpodcast.com.



Join the Modern Therapist Community

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Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits

Voice Over by DW McCann

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Medical Necessity or Personal Growth? Why Documentation Matters in Therapy</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie talk about medical necessity in therapy documentation – what it is, why it matters, and how therapists can navigate the tension between clinical care, insurance requirements, and personal growth. We explore how documentation protects therapists in utilization reviews and disciplinary processes, and how to ethically distinguish therapy from coaching or self-improvement.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Why documenting medical necessity matters for insurance, ethics, and liability</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Risks of over-diagnosing or misrepresenting symptoms</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>The role of treatment plans and progress notes in demonstrating medical necessity</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Navigating personal growth requests vs. clinical therapy</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Protecting yourself with clear, consistent documentation</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>About Our Hosts</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Curt Widhalm, LMFT – <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com?utm_source=chatgpt.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Katie Vernoy, LMFT – <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com?utm_source=chatgpt.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Find the transcript and additional resources at </em><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com/"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>.</em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Linktree</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">DW McCann</a></p>
<p>Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Beyond Coping: Radical Healing in a World Not Built for Us – An Interview with José Rosario</title>
      <description>Beyond Coping: Radical Healing in a World Not Built for Us – An Interview with José Rosario

Curt and Katie chat with José Rosario about radical healing, disability, cultural trauma, and intersectionality. José shares his story as a scholar, practitioner, and activist, and how his lived experience as a disabled person of color who is also queer informs both his clinical work and research. He discusses how healing must move beyond coping, the importance of community engagement, and how therapists can better support clients with marginalized identities.


About Our Guest: José Rosario
Born to young Puerto Rican parents, José Rosario developed Cerebral Palsy as a premature baby. His family's journey towards equity deeply impacted his mental health. Currently nearing his PhD in Clinical Psychology, his research focuses on cultural trauma in intersectional communities. He is an Interdisciplinary Minority Fellow for the American Psychological Association, member of the Congressional Diversity and Equality Advisory Board for Congressman James Langevin, and member of the Rhode Island Attorney General Community Advisory Board. He has been honored with the Chris Martin Humanitarian Award and the Victoria Lederberg Award for Excellence in Psychology.




Key Takeaways for Therapists


  Radical healing means moving beyond coping to systemic change and community-based healing.



  
Disability, race, and queerness intersect in ways that compound stigma and systemic barriers.



  
Community is both a source of hope and a vital element of healing.



  
Therapists must step outside the therapy room and engage genuinely with the communities they serve.




For full show notes and transcripts, visit: mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community
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Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits


  
Voice Over by DW McCann



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Beyond Coping: Radical Healing in a World Not Built for Us – An Interview with José Rosario

Curt and Katie chat with José Rosario about radical healing, disability, cultural trauma, and intersectionality. José shares his story as a scholar, practitioner, and activist, and how his lived experience as a disabled person of color who is also queer informs both his clinical work and research. He discusses how healing must move beyond coping, the importance of community engagement, and how therapists can better support clients with marginalized identities.


About Our Guest: José Rosario
Born to young Puerto Rican parents, José Rosario developed Cerebral Palsy as a premature baby. His family's journey towards equity deeply impacted his mental health. Currently nearing his PhD in Clinical Psychology, his research focuses on cultural trauma in intersectional communities. He is an Interdisciplinary Minority Fellow for the American Psychological Association, member of the Congressional Diversity and Equality Advisory Board for Congressman James Langevin, and member of the Rhode Island Attorney General Community Advisory Board. He has been honored with the Chris Martin Humanitarian Award and the Victoria Lederberg Award for Excellence in Psychology.




Key Takeaways for Therapists


  Radical healing means moving beyond coping to systemic change and community-based healing.



  
Disability, race, and queerness intersect in ways that compound stigma and systemic barriers.



  
Community is both a source of hope and a vital element of healing.



  
Therapists must step outside the therapy room and engage genuinely with the communities they serve.




For full show notes and transcripts, visit: mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined




Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits


  
Voice Over by DW McCann



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Beyond Coping: Radical Healing in a World Not Built for Us – An Interview with José Rosario</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat with José Rosario about radical healing, disability, cultural trauma, and intersectionality. José shares his story as a scholar, practitioner, and activist, and how his lived experience as a disabled person of color who is also queer informs both his clinical work and research. He discusses how healing must move beyond coping, the importance of community engagement, and how therapists can better support clients with marginalized identities.</p>
<p>
<strong>About Our Guest: José Rosario</strong>
Born to young Puerto Rican parents, José Rosario developed Cerebral Palsy as a premature baby. His family's journey towards equity deeply impacted his mental health. Currently nearing his PhD in Clinical Psychology, his research focuses on cultural trauma in intersectional communities. He is an Interdisciplinary Minority Fellow for the American Psychological Association, member of the Congressional Diversity and Equality Advisory Board for Congressman James Langevin, and member of the Rhode Island Attorney General Community Advisory Board. He has been honored with the Chris Martin Humanitarian Award and the Victoria Lederberg Award for Excellence in Psychology.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p>
<strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>Radical healing means moving beyond coping to systemic change and community-based healing.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Disability, race, and queerness intersect in ways that compound stigma and systemic barriers.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Community is both a source of hope and a vital element of healing.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists must step outside the therapy room and engage genuinely with the communities they serve.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>For full show notes and transcripts, visit: </em><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com?utm_source=chatgpt.com"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em></em></p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined?utm_source=chatgpt.com">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p>
<strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">DW McCann</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>

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      <title>Navigating Food, Body Image, and GLP-1 Medications: An Interview with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C</title>
      <description>Navigating Food, Body Image, and GLP-1 Medications: An Interview with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C

Therapists are seeing more clients struggling with confusing medical advice, new medications, and diet culture messages that impact their relationship with food and body. In this conversation, Curt and Katie talk with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C about how therapists can examine their own biases, support clients navigating restrictive medical guidance, and encourage healthier, more intuitive approaches to eating.


About Our Guest: Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C
Robyn began her career at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles as the in-patient dietitian in the Department of Cardiology. Over the last twenty-eight years she has developed her own private practice in Los Angeles, CA.

She is a contributing author and is a nationally and internationally known registered dietitian nutritionist. She has been quoted in The New York Times, The Huffington Post, and Vogue.

She has been on national television as the eating disorder expert on The Insider. Robyn is the author of The Eating Disorder Trap: A Guide for Clinicians and Loved Ones, Co-author of the online course Your Recovery Resource, and the host of The Eating Disorder Trap Podcast.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  Therapists must examine their own food and body biases to avoid unintentional harm to clients.



  
Many physicians have minimal training in dietetics and may give inadequate advice.



  
Clients can advocate for themselves in medical settings, including refusing to be weighed.



  
GLP-1 medications may reduce appetite but can cause malnutrition, fatigue, and bone/muscle loss.



  
Intuitive eating offers a path back to a healthier, more trusting relationship with food.




For full show notes and transcript: mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined


Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCann

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/f01f0654-82a3-11f0-b605-a304dce86ed5/image/8e2121a354d12518f4022d3ded15ad29.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Navigating Food, Body Image, and GLP-1 Medications: An Interview with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C

Therapists are seeing more clients struggling with confusing medical advice, new medications, and diet culture messages that impact their relationship with food and body. In this conversation, Curt and Katie talk with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C about how therapists can examine their own biases, support clients navigating restrictive medical guidance, and encourage healthier, more intuitive approaches to eating.


About Our Guest: Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C
Robyn began her career at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles as the in-patient dietitian in the Department of Cardiology. Over the last twenty-eight years she has developed her own private practice in Los Angeles, CA.

She is a contributing author and is a nationally and internationally known registered dietitian nutritionist. She has been quoted in The New York Times, The Huffington Post, and Vogue.

She has been on national television as the eating disorder expert on The Insider. Robyn is the author of The Eating Disorder Trap: A Guide for Clinicians and Loved Ones, Co-author of the online course Your Recovery Resource, and the host of The Eating Disorder Trap Podcast.


Key Takeaways for Therapists


  Therapists must examine their own food and body biases to avoid unintentional harm to clients.



  
Many physicians have minimal training in dietetics and may give inadequate advice.



  
Clients can advocate for themselves in medical settings, including refusing to be weighed.



  
GLP-1 medications may reduce appetite but can cause malnutrition, fatigue, and bone/muscle loss.



  
Intuitive eating offers a path back to a healthier, more trusting relationship with food.




For full show notes and transcript: mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined


Creative Credits
Voice Over by DW McCann

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Navigating Food, Body Image, and GLP-1 Medications: An Interview with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C</strong></p>
<p>Therapists are seeing more clients struggling with confusing medical advice, new medications, and diet culture messages that impact their relationship with food and body. In this conversation, Curt and Katie talk with Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C about how therapists can examine their own biases, support clients navigating restrictive medical guidance, and encourage healthier, more intuitive approaches to eating.</p>
<p>
<strong>About Our Guest: Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDS-C</strong>
Robyn began her career at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles as the in-patient dietitian in the Department of Cardiology. Over the last twenty-eight years she has developed her own private practice in Los Angeles, CA.</p>
<p>She is a contributing author and is a nationally and internationally known registered dietitian nutritionist. She has been quoted in <em>The New York Times</em>, <em>The Huffington Post</em>, and <em>Vogue</em>.</p>
<p>She has been on national television as the eating disorder expert on <em>The Insider</em>. Robyn is the author of <em>The Eating Disorder Trap: A Guide for Clinicians and Loved Ones</em>, Co-author of the online course <em>Your Recovery Resource</em>, and the host of <em>The Eating Disorder Trap Podcast</em>.</p>
<p>
<strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>Therapists must examine their own food and body biases to avoid unintentional harm to clients.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Many physicians have minimal training in dietetics and may give inadequate advice.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Clients can advocate for themselves in medical settings, including refusing to be weighed.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>GLP-1 medications may reduce appetite but can cause malnutrition, fatigue, and bone/muscle loss.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Intuitive eating offers a path back to a healthier, more trusting relationship with food.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>For full show notes and transcript:</em> <a href="">mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>
Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p>
<strong>Creative Credits</strong>
Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a></p>
<p>Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
<p>

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      <title>Somatic Therapy, Nervous System Regulation, and Expanding Capacity for Rest: An Interview with Linda Thai</title>
      <description>Somatic Therapy, Nervous System Regulation, and Expanding Capacity for Rest: An Interview with Linda Thai

Curt and Katie chat with Linda Thai, LMSW, ERYT-200 about practical, culturally aware somatic tools therapists can use, helping clients (and themselves) expand capacity for rest, and integrating bottom-up work ethically when working with trauma survivors and adult children of refugees and immigrants.

Full show notes and transcripts available at mtsgpodcast.com.



About Our Guest: Linda Thai, LMSW, ERYT-200

Linda Thai is a trauma therapist and educator specializing in brain- and body-based modalities for addressing complex developmental trauma. She teaches mindfulness, grief tending, and somatic practices with a special focus on adult children of refugees and immigrants. Linda has assisted Dr. Bessel van der Kolk in psychotherapy workshops on attachment trauma and offers trainings and courses worldwide.



Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Gentle rocking and orienting to distance are accessible entry points for regulation.



  
Track SUNs (Subjective Units of Nourishment) as well as distress in sessions.



  
Somatic work expands capacity for rest, not just activation.



  
Therapists must contextualize disembodiment within colonization, hustle culture, and systemic exploitation.



  
Choose teachers and communities that match your style before committing to long trainings.





Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann: DW McCann FacebookMusic by Crystal Grooms Mangano: groomsymusic.com</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Somatic Therapy, Nervous System Regulation, and Expanding Capacity for Rest: An Interview with Linda Thai

Curt and Katie chat with Linda Thai, LMSW, ERYT-200 about practical, culturally aware somatic tools therapists can use, helping clients (and themselves) expand capacity for rest, and integrating bottom-up work ethically when working with trauma survivors and adult children of refugees and immigrants.

Full show notes and transcripts available at mtsgpodcast.com.



About Our Guest: Linda Thai, LMSW, ERYT-200

Linda Thai is a trauma therapist and educator specializing in brain- and body-based modalities for addressing complex developmental trauma. She teaches mindfulness, grief tending, and somatic practices with a special focus on adult children of refugees and immigrants. Linda has assisted Dr. Bessel van der Kolk in psychotherapy workshops on attachment trauma and offers trainings and courses worldwide.



Key Takeaways for Therapists


  
Gentle rocking and orienting to distance are accessible entry points for regulation.



  
Track SUNs (Subjective Units of Nourishment) as well as distress in sessions.



  
Somatic work expands capacity for rest, not just activation.



  
Therapists must contextualize disembodiment within colonization, hustle culture, and systemic exploitation.



  
Choose teachers and communities that match your style before committing to long trainings.





Join the Modern Therapist Community
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann: DW McCann FacebookMusic by Crystal Grooms Mangano: groomsymusic.com</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Somatic Therapy, Nervous System Regulation, and Expanding Capacity for Rest: An Interview with Linda Thai</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat with Linda Thai, LMSW, ERYT-200 about practical, culturally aware somatic tools therapists can use, helping clients (and themselves) expand capacity for rest, and integrating bottom-up work ethically when working with trauma survivors and adult children of refugees and immigrants.</p>
<p><em>Full show notes and transcripts available at mtsgpodcast.com.</em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest: Linda Thai, LMSW, ERYT-200</strong></p>
<p>Linda Thai is a trauma therapist and educator specializing in brain- and body-based modalities for addressing complex developmental trauma. She teaches mindfulness, grief tending, and somatic practices with a special focus on adult children of refugees and immigrants. Linda has assisted Dr. Bessel van der Kolk in psychotherapy workshops on attachment trauma and offers trainings and courses worldwide.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Gentle rocking and orienting to distance are accessible entry points for regulation.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Track SUNs (Subjective Units of Nourishment) as well as distress in sessions.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Somatic work expands capacity for rest, not just activation.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists must contextualize disembodiment within colonization, hustle culture, and systemic exploitation.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Choose teachers and communities that match your style before committing to long trainings.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by <strong>DW McCann</strong>: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann Facebook</a><br>Music by <strong>Crystal Grooms Mangano</strong>: <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">groomsymusic.com</a></p>
<p>

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    <item>
      <title>The Initial Consultation Call: Setting the Foundation for Therapy</title>
      <description>The Initial Consultation Call: Setting the Foundation for Therapy

Curt and Katie chat about consultation and intake phone calls — the crucial first step in the client–therapist relationship. They explore how to balance logistics with empathy, set realistic expectations, and create safety and rapport from the very beginning.



About our Hosts:Curt Widhalm, LMFT – www.curtwidhalm.comKatie Vernoy, LMFT – www.katievernoy.com



Key Takeaways for Therapists:


  
How consultation calls set the tone for therapy



  
Balancing logistics (fees, scheduling, insurance) with rapport-building



  
Exploring referral sources, past therapy experiences, and client expectations



  
Avoiding underselling yourself when discussing fees




For more information and full show notes, visit: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community: Linktree



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:


  
Voice Over by DW McCann



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/9fefbd66-7c92-11f0-bec0-27751de0e160/image/0bb4d106dbe7c7e982b876140958d311.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Initial Consultation Call: Setting the Foundation for Therapy

Curt and Katie chat about consultation and intake phone calls — the crucial first step in the client–therapist relationship. They explore how to balance logistics with empathy, set realistic expectations, and create safety and rapport from the very beginning.



About our Hosts:Curt Widhalm, LMFT – www.curtwidhalm.comKatie Vernoy, LMFT – www.katievernoy.com



Key Takeaways for Therapists:


  
How consultation calls set the tone for therapy



  
Balancing logistics (fees, scheduling, insurance) with rapport-building



  
Exploring referral sources, past therapy experiences, and client expectations



  
Avoiding underselling yourself when discussing fees




For more information and full show notes, visit: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community: Linktree



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:


  
Voice Over by DW McCann



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>The Initial Consultation Call: Setting the Foundation for Therapy</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat about consultation and intake phone calls — the crucial first step in the client–therapist relationship. They explore how to balance logistics with empathy, set realistic expectations, and create safety and rapport from the very beginning.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>About our Hosts:</strong><br>Curt Widhalm, LMFT – <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a><br>Katie Vernoy, LMFT – <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>How consultation calls set the tone for therapy</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Balancing logistics (fees, scheduling, insurance) with rapport-building</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Exploring referral sources, past therapy experiences, and client expectations</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Avoiding underselling yourself when discussing fees</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>For more information and full show notes, visit: </em><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em></em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community: </strong><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>

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    <item>
      <title>Unmasking Shame, Myths, and Healing for Male Survivors of Sexual Abuse: An Interview with Jeremy Sachs</title>
      <description>Unmasking Shame, Myths, and Healing for Male Survivors of Sexual Abuse: An Interview with Jeremy Sachs

Curt and Katie chat with Jeremy Sachs, integrated therapist and Narrative Exposure Therapist, about supporting male survivors of sexual abuse. We explore harmful myths and stereotypes, the developmental impacts of sexual trauma, and the systemic and cultural barriers that make healing harder. Jeremy shares therapeutic approaches for early disclosure, building safety, and integrating trauma-specific interventions like Narrative Exposure Therapy, as well as the role of transformative justice in recovery.



About Our Guest:Jeremy Sachs is an integrated therapist and Narrative Exposure Therapist from London, UK, now based in Glasgow, Scotland. Since the 2010s, he has run services that support individuals living with trauma or marginalisation, helping them to connect and find community. In 2016, he focused on developing therapy services for men, boys, and trans people who have survived sexual abuse and rape. He runs recovery groups and a private practice both online and in-person.



Key Takeaways for Therapists:


  
Myths like “men always want sex” or “they must have enjoyed it” are harmful and based on misunderstandings.



  
Sexual abuse rarely occurs in isolation—context and systemic oppression matter.



  
Containment and safety should precede trauma-specific work.



  
Narrative Exposure Therapy can help integrate fragmented memories.



  
Transformative justice offers community-based alternatives to the criminal justice system.




Get the full show notes and transcript at: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community


  
Linktree



  
Patreon



  
Podcast Homepage



  
YouTube



  
Facebook Group




Creative Credits:


  
Voice Over by DW McCann



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/187cc504-77ab-11f0-b985-83c504fc1c49/image/fbe280e5e300eab7f30de5242f8d4f68.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Unmasking Shame, Myths, and Healing for Male Survivors of Sexual Abuse: An Interview with Jeremy Sachs

Curt and Katie chat with Jeremy Sachs, integrated therapist and Narrative Exposure Therapist, about supporting male survivors of sexual abuse. We explore harmful myths and stereotypes, the developmental impacts of sexual trauma, and the systemic and cultural barriers that make healing harder. Jeremy shares therapeutic approaches for early disclosure, building safety, and integrating trauma-specific interventions like Narrative Exposure Therapy, as well as the role of transformative justice in recovery.



About Our Guest:Jeremy Sachs is an integrated therapist and Narrative Exposure Therapist from London, UK, now based in Glasgow, Scotland. Since the 2010s, he has run services that support individuals living with trauma or marginalisation, helping them to connect and find community. In 2016, he focused on developing therapy services for men, boys, and trans people who have survived sexual abuse and rape. He runs recovery groups and a private practice both online and in-person.



Key Takeaways for Therapists:


  
Myths like “men always want sex” or “they must have enjoyed it” are harmful and based on misunderstandings.



  
Sexual abuse rarely occurs in isolation—context and systemic oppression matter.



  
Containment and safety should precede trauma-specific work.



  
Narrative Exposure Therapy can help integrate fragmented memories.



  
Transformative justice offers community-based alternatives to the criminal justice system.




Get the full show notes and transcript at: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community


  
Linktree



  
Patreon



  
Podcast Homepage



  
YouTube



  
Facebook Group




Creative Credits:


  
Voice Over by DW McCann



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Unmasking Shame, Myths, and Healing for Male Survivors of Sexual Abuse: An Interview with Jeremy Sachs</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat with Jeremy Sachs, integrated therapist and Narrative Exposure Therapist, about supporting male survivors of sexual abuse. We explore harmful myths and stereotypes, the developmental impacts of sexual trauma, and the systemic and cultural barriers that make healing harder. Jeremy shares therapeutic approaches for early disclosure, building safety, and integrating trauma-specific interventions like Narrative Exposure Therapy, as well as the role of transformative justice in recovery.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest:</strong><br>Jeremy Sachs is an integrated therapist and Narrative Exposure Therapist from London, UK, now based in Glasgow, Scotland. Since the 2010s, he has run services that support individuals living with trauma or marginalisation, helping them to connect and find community. In 2016, he focused on developing therapy services for men, boys, and trans people who have survived sexual abuse and rape. He runs recovery groups and a private practice both online and in-person.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways for Therapists:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Myths like “men always want sex” or “they must have enjoyed it” are harmful and based on misunderstandings.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Sexual abuse rarely occurs in isolation—context and systemic oppression matter.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Containment and safety should precede trauma-specific work.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Narrative Exposure Therapy can help integrate fragmented memories.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Transformative justice offers community-based alternatives to the criminal justice system.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Get the full show notes and transcript at: </em><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em></em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/c/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">Podcast Homepage</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/therapyreimagined">YouTube</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">Facebook Group</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>

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      <itunes:duration>2618</itunes:duration>
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    <item>
      <title>Relational Healing, Neuroplasticity, and the Power of Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy: An Interview with Dr. Alexa Altman and Shira Myrow</title>
      <description>Relational Healing, Neuroplasticity, and the Power of Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy: An Interview with Dr. Alexa Altman, Ph.D. and Shira Myrow, LMFT

In this episode, Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Alexa Altman and Shira Myrow, LMFT, about psychedelic-assisted therapy and how it supports trauma healing, neuroplasticity, and relational transformation. They explore how these treatments work, what integration really means, and how therapists can ethically and safely engage with this emerging field.

About our guests:Dr. Alexa Altman and Shira Myrow, MFT, are co-founders of iPsychedelic Therapy. With backgrounds in trauma-informed psychology, spiritual counseling, and relational healing, they offer a holistic approach to psychedelic-assisted therapy that centers ethical care, integration, and transformational growth.

Key takeaways:


  
Psychedelics are not shortcuts—they act as amplifiers and accelerants in trauma work.



  
Integration is a crucial part of psychedelic-assisted therapy and often overlooked.



  
Clinicians must examine their own biases and seek robust training.



  
Some clients are not appropriate for these treatments due to fragility or lack of therapeutic background.



  
A safe therapeutic container, rigorous consent, and preparation are essential.



  
Regulatory frameworks are still emerging and need clinician involvement.




More info, transcripts, and full show notes: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:

Linktree



Creative Credits:


  
Voice Over by DW McCann



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/015003f6-723c-11f0-9c75-7f3e1b36abac/image/9cffd084d32f0ad2d95740a662b0e26e.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Relational Healing, Neuroplasticity, and the Power of Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy: An Interview with Dr. Alexa Altman, Ph.D. and Shira Myrow, LMFT

In this episode, Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Alexa Altman and Shira Myrow, LMFT, about psychedelic-assisted therapy and how it supports trauma healing, neuroplasticity, and relational transformation. They explore how these treatments work, what integration really means, and how therapists can ethically and safely engage with this emerging field.

About our guests:Dr. Alexa Altman and Shira Myrow, MFT, are co-founders of iPsychedelic Therapy. With backgrounds in trauma-informed psychology, spiritual counseling, and relational healing, they offer a holistic approach to psychedelic-assisted therapy that centers ethical care, integration, and transformational growth.

Key takeaways:


  
Psychedelics are not shortcuts—they act as amplifiers and accelerants in trauma work.



  
Integration is a crucial part of psychedelic-assisted therapy and often overlooked.



  
Clinicians must examine their own biases and seek robust training.



  
Some clients are not appropriate for these treatments due to fragility or lack of therapeutic background.



  
A safe therapeutic container, rigorous consent, and preparation are essential.



  
Regulatory frameworks are still emerging and need clinician involvement.




More info, transcripts, and full show notes: mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:

Linktree



Creative Credits:


  
Voice Over by DW McCann



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Relational Healing, Neuroplasticity, and the Power of Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy: An Interview with Dr. Alexa Altman, Ph.D. and Shira Myrow, LMFT</strong></p>
<p>In this episode, Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Alexa Altman and Shira Myrow, LMFT, about psychedelic-assisted therapy and how it supports trauma healing, neuroplasticity, and relational transformation. They explore how these treatments work, what integration really means, and how therapists can ethically and safely engage with this emerging field.</p>
<p><strong>About our guests:</strong><br>Dr. Alexa Altman and Shira Myrow, MFT, are co-founders of iPsychedelic Therapy. With backgrounds in trauma-informed psychology, spiritual counseling, and relational healing, they offer a holistic approach to psychedelic-assisted therapy that centers ethical care, integration, and transformational growth.</p>
<p><strong>Key takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Psychedelics are not shortcuts—they act as amplifiers and accelerants in trauma work.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Integration is a crucial part of psychedelic-assisted therapy and often overlooked.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Clinicians must examine their own biases and seek robust training.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Some clients are not appropriate for these treatments due to fragility or lack of therapeutic background.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>A safe therapeutic container, rigorous consent, and preparation are essential.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Regulatory frameworks are still emerging and need clinician involvement.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>More info, transcripts, and full show notes:</strong> <a href="">mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><br></p>]]>
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      <itunes:duration>2858</itunes:duration>
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      <enclosure url="https://traffic.megaphone.fm/HEGNI4764448859.mp3?updated=1754427379" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>Advanced Minds, Unique Challenges: Therapeutic Approaches for Gifted Children</title>
      <description>Advanced Minds, Unique Challenges: Therapeutic Approaches for Gifted Children

Gifted children often present with complex needs that are misunderstood or misdiagnosed. In this continuing education episode, Curt and Katie explore how asynchronous development, emotional intensity, and cognitive complexity show up in the therapy room—and what therapists need to build effective therapeutic alliances. They highlight key research, therapist characteristics that support clinical success, and how to work with masking, perfectionism, and challenging behaviors without pathologizing giftedness.

Key Takeaways:


  
Giftedness includes uneven cognitive, emotional, and social development



  
Misdiagnosis and masking are common



  
Therapist flexibility, intensity, and curiosity matter more than techniques



  
Gifted children often resist therapy when they feel misunderstood



  
Parents may need education and validation around giftedness




About Our Hosts:
Curt Widhalm, LMFT – www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy, LMFT – www.katievernoy.com

CE Available for this Episode
To earn 1 CE unit, visit moderntherapistcommunity.com

More info and full show notes at mtsgpodcast.com
Join the community: linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann – facebook.com/McCannDW
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – groomsymusic.com</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/e116fdde-6c0e-11f0-aa18-bbcfae0fcb5b/image/09ba5ec94c21f3aa0475998dd2725306.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Advanced Minds, Unique Challenges: Therapeutic Approaches for Gifted Children

Gifted children often present with complex needs that are misunderstood or misdiagnosed. In this continuing education episode, Curt and Katie explore how asynchronous development, emotional intensity, and cognitive complexity show up in the therapy room—and what therapists need to build effective therapeutic alliances. They highlight key research, therapist characteristics that support clinical success, and how to work with masking, perfectionism, and challenging behaviors without pathologizing giftedness.

Key Takeaways:


  
Giftedness includes uneven cognitive, emotional, and social development



  
Misdiagnosis and masking are common



  
Therapist flexibility, intensity, and curiosity matter more than techniques



  
Gifted children often resist therapy when they feel misunderstood



  
Parents may need education and validation around giftedness




About Our Hosts:
Curt Widhalm, LMFT – www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy, LMFT – www.katievernoy.com

CE Available for this Episode
To earn 1 CE unit, visit moderntherapistcommunity.com

More info and full show notes at mtsgpodcast.com
Join the community: linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann – facebook.com/McCannDW
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – groomsymusic.com</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Advanced Minds, Unique Challenges: Therapeutic Approaches for Gifted Children</strong></p>
<p>Gifted children often present with complex needs that are misunderstood or misdiagnosed. In this continuing education episode, Curt and Katie explore how asynchronous development, emotional intensity, and cognitive complexity show up in the therapy room—and what therapists need to build effective therapeutic alliances. They highlight key research, therapist characteristics that support clinical success, and how to work with masking, perfectionism, and challenging behaviors without pathologizing giftedness.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Giftedness includes uneven cognitive, emotional, and social development</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Misdiagnosis and masking are common</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapist flexibility, intensity, and curiosity matter more than techniques</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Gifted children often resist therapy when they feel misunderstood</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Parents may need education and validation around giftedness</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>About Our Hosts:</strong><br>
Curt Widhalm, LMFT – <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a><br>
Katie Vernoy, LMFT – <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p>
<p><strong>CE Available for this Episode</strong><br>
To earn 1 CE unit, visit moderntherapistcommunity.com</p>
<p><strong>More info and full show notes</strong> at mtsgpodcast.com<br>
Join the community: linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann – facebook.com/McCannDW<br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – groomsymusic.com</p>
<p><br></p>]]>
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      <title>Relational Self-Awareness and the Hard Truths of Couples Therapy: An Interview with Dr. Alexandra Solomon</title>
      <description>Relational Self-Awareness and the Hard Truths of Couples Therapy: An Interview with Dr. Alexandra Solomon

Dr. Alexandra H. Solomon joins Curt and Katie to discuss what therapists get wrong in couples therapy, how to work with high-conflict dynamics, and the power of relational self-awareness. We explore how therapists can show up better prepared for the real work of helping relationships grow—or gracefully end.



About Our Guest:Dr. Alexandra H. Solomon, PhD, is a licensed clinical psychologist, professor, author, and host of the Reimagining Love podcast. Known globally for her relational self-awareness framework, Dr. Solomon bridges clinical wisdom, research, and pop culture in her work with couples. She is the author of Loving Bravely, Taking Sexy Back, and Love Every Day.



Key Takeaways:


  
The relationship—not the individuals—is the client in couples therapy



  
Why individual therapist skills don’t always translate to couples work



  
How regulation and self-awareness reduce conflict and promote connection



  
What therapists should know about the "change partner vs. acceptance partner" dynamic



  
Why therapist bias and romantic myths can derail the work




More info, transcripts, and full show notes at mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:


  
Voice Over by DW McCann: facebook.com/McCannDW



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: groomsymusic.com</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Relational Self-Awareness and the Hard Truths of Couples Therapy: An Interview with Dr. Alexandra Solomon

Dr. Alexandra H. Solomon joins Curt and Katie to discuss what therapists get wrong in couples therapy, how to work with high-conflict dynamics, and the power of relational self-awareness. We explore how therapists can show up better prepared for the real work of helping relationships grow—or gracefully end.



About Our Guest:Dr. Alexandra H. Solomon, PhD, is a licensed clinical psychologist, professor, author, and host of the Reimagining Love podcast. Known globally for her relational self-awareness framework, Dr. Solomon bridges clinical wisdom, research, and pop culture in her work with couples. She is the author of Loving Bravely, Taking Sexy Back, and Love Every Day.



Key Takeaways:


  
The relationship—not the individuals—is the client in couples therapy



  
Why individual therapist skills don’t always translate to couples work



  
How regulation and self-awareness reduce conflict and promote connection



  
What therapists should know about the "change partner vs. acceptance partner" dynamic



  
Why therapist bias and romantic myths can derail the work




More info, transcripts, and full show notes at mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:


  
Voice Over by DW McCann: facebook.com/McCannDW



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: groomsymusic.com</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Relational Self-Awareness and the Hard Truths of Couples Therapy: An Interview with Dr. Alexandra Solomon</strong></p>
<p>Dr. Alexandra H. Solomon joins Curt and Katie to discuss what therapists get wrong in couples therapy, how to work with high-conflict dynamics, and the power of relational self-awareness. We explore how therapists can show up better prepared for the real work of helping relationships grow—or gracefully end.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest:</strong><br>Dr. Alexandra H. Solomon, PhD, is a licensed clinical psychologist, professor, author, and host of the <em>Reimagining Love</em> podcast. Known globally for her relational self-awareness framework, Dr. Solomon bridges clinical wisdom, research, and pop culture in her work with couples. She is the author of <em>Loving Bravely</em>, <em>Taking Sexy Back</em>, and <em>Love Every Day</em>.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>The relationship—not the individuals—is the client in couples therapy</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Why individual therapist skills don’t always translate to couples work</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>How regulation and self-awareness reduce conflict and promote connection</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>What therapists should know about the "change partner vs. acceptance partner" dynamic</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Why therapist bias and romantic myths can derail the work</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>More info, transcripts, and full show notes at <a href="">mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">facebook.com/McCannDW</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">groomsymusic.com</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
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      <title>What Do You Have to Offer? How Describing Your Ideal Client Might Be Repelling Good Enough Clients</title>
      <description>What Do You Have to Offer? How Describing Your Ideal Client Might Be Repelling Good Enough Clients

Curt and Katie chat about common mistakes therapists make when writing their websites and directories — especially using “ideal client” language that may turn away the very clients they want to help. They explore how to write therapist website copy that’s client-centered, inclusive, and more effective for attracting referrals.

Key Takeaways:


  
Describing ideal clients too rigidly can unintentionally alienate potential referrals



  
Language should reflect client experiences and therapy process — not just therapist preferences



  
Blog posts are a flexible, strategic way to expand on specialty areas without over-niching



  
Websites should be regularly updated to reflect current practice and make contact easy




Listen to the full episode and access resources:https://therapyreimagined.com/podcast

Join the Modern Therapist Community:https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Do You Have to Offer? How Describing Your Ideal Client Might Be Repelling Good Enough Clients

Curt and Katie chat about common mistakes therapists make when writing their websites and directories — especially using “ideal client” language that may turn away the very clients they want to help. They explore how to write therapist website copy that’s client-centered, inclusive, and more effective for attracting referrals.

Key Takeaways:


  
Describing ideal clients too rigidly can unintentionally alienate potential referrals



  
Language should reflect client experiences and therapy process — not just therapist preferences



  
Blog posts are a flexible, strategic way to expand on specialty areas without over-niching



  
Websites should be regularly updated to reflect current practice and make contact easy




Listen to the full episode and access resources:https://therapyreimagined.com/podcast

Join the Modern Therapist Community:https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>What Do You Have to Offer? How Describing Your Ideal Client Might Be Repelling Good Enough Clients</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat about common mistakes therapists make when writing their websites and directories — especially using “ideal client” language that may turn away the very clients they want to help. They explore how to write therapist website copy that’s client-centered, inclusive, and more effective for attracting referrals.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Describing ideal clients too rigidly can unintentionally alienate potential referrals</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Language should reflect client experiences and therapy process — not just therapist preferences</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Blog posts are a flexible, strategic way to expand on specialty areas without over-niching</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Websites should be regularly updated to reflect current practice and make contact easy</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Listen to the full episode and access resources:</strong><br><a href="">https://therapyreimagined.com/podcast</a></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>
Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
<p><br></p>]]>
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      <title>Mindfulness, EMDR, and Wearable Tech: An Interview with Dr. Steve Dansiger</title>
      <description>Mindfulness, EMDR, and Wearable Tech: An Interview with Dr. Steve Dansiger

Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Steve Dansiger about integrating mindfulness into EMDR, what therapists often get wrong about mindfulness, and how wearable technology might enhance trauma healing. Steve shares his journey from punk rock drummer to EMDR trainer to tech innovator—and how sound and vibration may support grounding, resourcing, and trauma reprocessing.

About Our Guest: Dr. Steve Dansiger
Dr. Steve Dansiger is a clinical psychologist, EMDRIA-approved EMDR consultant, longtime mindfulness practitioner, and co-founder of HapTech Holdings. He is the creator of the MET(T)A Protocol and co-author of multiple books on EMDR, trauma, addiction, and mindfulness. Steve’s work spans clinical practice, innovation, and international teaching, bringing together ancient wisdom and cutting-edge tech.

Key Takeaways:


  
Therapists and clients often misunderstand mindfulness as “clearing the mind.”



  
Mindfulness is already embedded in EMDR and helps stabilize and prepare for trauma work.



  
Starting with just 1–2 minutes a day can be effective, especially with neurodivergent clients.



  
Wearable tech using sound and vibration may help ground and resource clients in session and beyond.



  
Therapists need to maintain their own mindfulness practice to model and teach it effectively.




For full show notes, transcripts, and more episodes:
🔗 www.mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:
🌐 Linktree

Creative Credits:
🎙 Voice Over by DW McCann
🎵 Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/684157bc-6261-11f0-a0df-2ba50af5e3f8/image/391c22702ef33897f3fb17317eb8a6f8.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Mindfulness, EMDR, and Wearable Tech: An Interview with Dr. Steve Dansiger

Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Steve Dansiger about integrating mindfulness into EMDR, what therapists often get wrong about mindfulness, and how wearable technology might enhance trauma healing. Steve shares his journey from punk rock drummer to EMDR trainer to tech innovator—and how sound and vibration may support grounding, resourcing, and trauma reprocessing.

About Our Guest: Dr. Steve Dansiger
Dr. Steve Dansiger is a clinical psychologist, EMDRIA-approved EMDR consultant, longtime mindfulness practitioner, and co-founder of HapTech Holdings. He is the creator of the MET(T)A Protocol and co-author of multiple books on EMDR, trauma, addiction, and mindfulness. Steve’s work spans clinical practice, innovation, and international teaching, bringing together ancient wisdom and cutting-edge tech.

Key Takeaways:


  
Therapists and clients often misunderstand mindfulness as “clearing the mind.”



  
Mindfulness is already embedded in EMDR and helps stabilize and prepare for trauma work.



  
Starting with just 1–2 minutes a day can be effective, especially with neurodivergent clients.



  
Wearable tech using sound and vibration may help ground and resource clients in session and beyond.



  
Therapists need to maintain their own mindfulness practice to model and teach it effectively.




For full show notes, transcripts, and more episodes:
🔗 www.mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:
🌐 Linktree

Creative Credits:
🎙 Voice Over by DW McCann
🎵 Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Mindfulness, EMDR, and Wearable Tech: An Interview with Dr. Steve Dansiger</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Steve Dansiger about integrating mindfulness into EMDR, what therapists often get wrong about mindfulness, and how wearable technology might enhance trauma healing. Steve shares his journey from punk rock drummer to EMDR trainer to tech innovator—and how sound and vibration may support grounding, resourcing, and trauma reprocessing.</p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest: Dr. Steve Dansiger</strong><br>
Dr. Steve Dansiger is a clinical psychologist, EMDRIA-approved EMDR consultant, longtime mindfulness practitioner, and co-founder of HapTech Holdings. He is the creator of the MET(T)A Protocol and co-author of multiple books on EMDR, trauma, addiction, and mindfulness. Steve’s work spans clinical practice, innovation, and international teaching, bringing together ancient wisdom and cutting-edge tech.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Therapists and clients often misunderstand mindfulness as “clearing the mind.”</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Mindfulness is already embedded in EMDR and helps stabilize and prepare for trauma work.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Starting with just 1–2 minutes a day can be effective, especially with neurodivergent clients.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Wearable tech using sound and vibration may help ground and resource clients in session and beyond.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists need to maintain their own mindfulness practice to model and teach it effectively.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>For full show notes, transcripts, and more episodes:</strong><br>
🔗 <a href="https://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br>
🌐 <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree</a></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
🎙 Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>
🎵 Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
<p><br></p>]]>
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    <item>
      <title>Rethinking Oppositional Defiant Disorder: Children reacting to the system around them</title>
      <description>Rethinking Oppositional Defiant Disorder—Children Reacting to the System Around Them

Curt and Katie chat about Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), reframing it as a response to systemic and environmental stressors rather than a characterological flaw in children. They explore diagnostic challenges, systemic bias, and treatment considerations that support children and families more holistically. This episode is designed to help therapists critically assess and intervene when working with oppositional or defiant behaviors.

Course Available for CE Credit:One unit of continuing education is available for this episode at moderntherapistcommunity.com. Listen, purchase the course, pass the post-test, and earn your certificate!

Key Takeaways:


  
Understand how ODD criteria can be misapplied without systemic context



  
Identify the impact of trauma, neurodivergence, and racism on misdiagnosis



  
Apply a functional, family systems-based approach to treating oppositional behaviors



  
Learn which interventions are evidence-based—and which to avoid



  
Recognize the importance of treating ODD like an adjustment to environment, not a lifelong label




Link to Full Show Notes:Full references, transcript, and resource list at mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – groomsymusic.com
Voice Over by DW McCann – facebook.com/McCannDW</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/4418a6c4-5dd4-11f0-81ef-175420b010d2/image/21e58e3c10128ac6f212452c83d05b6d.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Rethinking Oppositional Defiant Disorder—Children Reacting to the System Around Them

Curt and Katie chat about Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), reframing it as a response to systemic and environmental stressors rather than a characterological flaw in children. They explore diagnostic challenges, systemic bias, and treatment considerations that support children and families more holistically. This episode is designed to help therapists critically assess and intervene when working with oppositional or defiant behaviors.

Course Available for CE Credit:One unit of continuing education is available for this episode at moderntherapistcommunity.com. Listen, purchase the course, pass the post-test, and earn your certificate!

Key Takeaways:


  
Understand how ODD criteria can be misapplied without systemic context



  
Identify the impact of trauma, neurodivergence, and racism on misdiagnosis



  
Apply a functional, family systems-based approach to treating oppositional behaviors



  
Learn which interventions are evidence-based—and which to avoid



  
Recognize the importance of treating ODD like an adjustment to environment, not a lifelong label




Link to Full Show Notes:Full references, transcript, and resource list at mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – groomsymusic.com
Voice Over by DW McCann – facebook.com/McCannDW</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Rethinking Oppositional Defiant Disorder—Children Reacting to the System Around Them</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat about Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), reframing it as a response to systemic and environmental stressors rather than a characterological flaw in children. They explore diagnostic challenges, systemic bias, and treatment considerations that support children and families more holistically. This episode is designed to help therapists critically assess and intervene when working with oppositional or defiant behaviors.</p>
<p><strong>Course Available for CE Credit:</strong><br>One unit of continuing education is available for this episode at <a href="https://moderntherapistcommunity.com">moderntherapistcommunity.com</a>. Listen, purchase the course, pass the post-test, and earn your certificate!</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Understand how ODD criteria can be misapplied without systemic context</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Identify the impact of trauma, neurodivergence, and racism on misdiagnosis</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Apply a functional, family systems-based approach to treating oppositional behaviors</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Learn which interventions are evidence-based—and which to avoid</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Recognize the importance of treating ODD like an adjustment to environment, not a lifelong label</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Link to Full Show Notes:</strong><br>Full references, transcript, and resource list at <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">groomsymusic.com</a><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">facebook.com/McCannDW</a></p>
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    <item>
      <title>How Virtual Clinical Supervision is Changing the Field: An Interview with Rachel Ledbetter, LMFT</title>
      <description>How Virtual Clinical Supervision is Changing the Field: An Interview with Rachel Ledbetter, LMFT

Curt and Katie chat with Rachel Ledbetter, LMFT, CEO and Co-Founder of Motivo, about how virtual supervision is transforming therapist training and professional development. We explore how technology can remove barriers for prelicensed clinicians, improve the supervision experience, and create space for mentorship beyond administrative oversight. Rachel also shares insights on the future of AI in mental health and what supervisors can do to better support early career therapists.

Guest Bio:Rachel Ledbetter is the CEO and Co-Founder of Motivo Health, a pioneering platform dedicated to transforming the landscape of mental health care by facilitating virtual clinical supervision for behavioral health professionals. As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT), Rachel's personal experiences navigating the licensure process have profoundly influenced her mission to remove barriers for aspiring therapists. Through Motivo, she continues to make a lasting impact by supporting the next generation of therapists and ensuring that quality mental health services are accessible to all.

Key Takeaways:


  
Supervision should focus on developing a clinician’s unique identity—not just administrative tasks.



  
Virtual supervision increases access and continuity, especially for rural and underserved areas.



  
Motivo actively tracks licensure requirements and verifies supervisor qualifications.



  
AI can ease therapist burdens (e.g., documentation) but shouldn’t be used to raise productivity quotas.



  
Supervisors are more effective when they support both professional development and self-of-the-therapist work.




More info and full show notes at mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Creative Credits:
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – groomsymusic.com
Voiceover by DW McCann – facebook.com/McCannDW</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/d88e0b4e-5610-11f0-af59-7f31ee99d75e/image/6571dd045475a4103dd99c87a1528b80.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Virtual Clinical Supervision is Changing the Field: An Interview with Rachel Ledbetter, LMFT

Curt and Katie chat with Rachel Ledbetter, LMFT, CEO and Co-Founder of Motivo, about how virtual supervision is transforming therapist training and professional development. We explore how technology can remove barriers for prelicensed clinicians, improve the supervision experience, and create space for mentorship beyond administrative oversight. Rachel also shares insights on the future of AI in mental health and what supervisors can do to better support early career therapists.

Guest Bio:Rachel Ledbetter is the CEO and Co-Founder of Motivo Health, a pioneering platform dedicated to transforming the landscape of mental health care by facilitating virtual clinical supervision for behavioral health professionals. As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT), Rachel's personal experiences navigating the licensure process have profoundly influenced her mission to remove barriers for aspiring therapists. Through Motivo, she continues to make a lasting impact by supporting the next generation of therapists and ensuring that quality mental health services are accessible to all.

Key Takeaways:


  
Supervision should focus on developing a clinician’s unique identity—not just administrative tasks.



  
Virtual supervision increases access and continuity, especially for rural and underserved areas.



  
Motivo actively tracks licensure requirements and verifies supervisor qualifications.



  
AI can ease therapist burdens (e.g., documentation) but shouldn’t be used to raise productivity quotas.



  
Supervisors are more effective when they support both professional development and self-of-the-therapist work.




More info and full show notes at mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Creative Credits:
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – groomsymusic.com
Voiceover by DW McCann – facebook.com/McCannDW</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>How Virtual Clinical Supervision is Changing the Field: An Interview with Rachel Ledbetter, LMFT</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat with Rachel Ledbetter, LMFT, CEO and Co-Founder of Motivo, about how virtual supervision is transforming therapist training and professional development. We explore how technology can remove barriers for prelicensed clinicians, improve the supervision experience, and create space for mentorship beyond administrative oversight. Rachel also shares insights on the future of AI in mental health and what supervisors can do to better support early career therapists.</p>
<p><strong>Guest Bio:</strong><br>Rachel Ledbetter is the CEO and Co-Founder of Motivo Health, a pioneering platform dedicated to transforming the landscape of mental health care by facilitating virtual clinical supervision for behavioral health professionals. As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT), Rachel's personal experiences navigating the licensure process have profoundly influenced her mission to remove barriers for aspiring therapists. Through Motivo, she continues to make a lasting impact by supporting the next generation of therapists and ensuring that quality mental health services are accessible to all.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Supervision should focus on developing a clinician’s unique identity—not just administrative tasks.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Virtual supervision increases access and continuity, especially for rural and underserved areas.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Motivo actively tracks licensure requirements and verifies supervisor qualifications.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>AI can ease therapist burdens (e.g., documentation) but shouldn’t be used to raise productivity quotas.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Supervisors are more effective when they support both professional development and self-of-the-therapist work.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>More info and full show notes at</strong> <a href="https://www.mtsgpodcast.com">mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Music by <strong>Crystal Grooms Mangano</strong> – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">groomsymusic.com</a><br>
Voiceover by <strong>DW McCann</strong> – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW">facebook.com/McCannDW</a></p>
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      <title>Why It’s Hard for Therapists to Be Friends: Understanding Boundaries, Identity, and Reciprocity</title>
      <description>Why It’s Hard for Therapists to Be Friends


Curt and Katie chat about why therapists often struggle with friendships—especially with non-therapists. They explore the impact of emotional labor, overidentifying as caretakers, and the challenges of setting boundaries and expressing needs in personal relationships.



Key Takeaways:


  
Therapists often default to caretaking in friendships, especially if they have a history of being “the helper.”



  
Emotional exhaustion from client work can make socializing difficult.



  
Confidentiality and identity boundaries limit what therapists can share about their day.



  
Friendships become healthier when therapists drop the therapist role and prioritize reciprocity.



  
Intentional communication and boundary-setting help create sustainable relationships.




More information and transcripts available at:https://mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:Linktree

Creative Credits:
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano
Voiceover by DW McCann</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Why It’s Hard for Therapists to Be Friends


Curt and Katie chat about why therapists often struggle with friendships—especially with non-therapists. They explore the impact of emotional labor, overidentifying as caretakers, and the challenges of setting boundaries and expressing needs in personal relationships.



Key Takeaways:


  
Therapists often default to caretaking in friendships, especially if they have a history of being “the helper.”



  
Emotional exhaustion from client work can make socializing difficult.



  
Confidentiality and identity boundaries limit what therapists can share about their day.



  
Friendships become healthier when therapists drop the therapist role and prioritize reciprocity.



  
Intentional communication and boundary-setting help create sustainable relationships.




More information and transcripts available at:https://mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:Linktree

Creative Credits:
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano
Voiceover by DW McCann</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Why It’s Hard for Therapists to Be Friends</strong></p>
<p>
Curt and Katie chat about why therapists often struggle with friendships—especially with non-therapists. They explore the impact of emotional labor, overidentifying as caretakers, and the challenges of setting boundaries and expressing needs in personal relationships.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Therapists often default to caretaking in friendships, especially if they have a history of being “the helper.”</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Emotional exhaustion from client work can make socializing difficult.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Confidentiality and identity boundaries limit what therapists can share about their day.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Friendships become healthier when therapists drop the therapist role and prioritize reciprocity.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Intentional communication and boundary-setting help create sustainable relationships.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>More information and transcripts available at:</strong><br><a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree</a></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a><br>
Voiceover by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW">DW McCann</a></p>
<p><br></p>]]>
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      <title>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on Relias</title>
      <description>Special Episode: Modern Therapist's Consumer Guide on Relias

Curt and Katie talk with Candace Wallace, Chief Customer Officer at Relias, about how this tech-enabled platform supports therapist training, infrastructure, and regulatory compliance. Candace explains how Relias helps practices of all sizes reduce admin burdens, improve staff retention, and compete in a changing behavioral health landscape. This episode is part of our Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, where we explore tools and services designed for therapists and their clients.

About Our Guest:Candace Wallace is the Chief Customer Officer at Relias, overseeing Customer Success, Renewals, Support, and Professional Services. Since joining in 2013, she’s led several key teams and now focuses on delivering customer value at scale. With degrees in Archaeology and Religion from Baylor University, Candace’s career path includes both compliance consulting and a deep commitment to healthcare systems transformation.

Key Takeaways:


  
Relias reduces administrative burdens to improve patient care



  
Solutions are tailored to solo, small, and large practices alike



  
Training, leadership development, and compliance tracking in one platform



  
Helps therapist-led organizations stay competitive and grow sustainably



  
Started with small providers—continues to focus on accessible, effective tools




For full show notes and transcripts, visit:https://www.mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community:Linktree

Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCannMusic by Crystal Grooms Mangano</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>bonus</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/4fe6c4b8-55f5-11f0-8de0-f3c5ae78f19b/image/bd678e82b629e05e2f30dab2a968f19b.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Special Episode: Modern Therapist's Consumer Guide on Relias

Curt and Katie talk with Candace Wallace, Chief Customer Officer at Relias, about how this tech-enabled platform supports therapist training, infrastructure, and regulatory compliance. Candace explains how Relias helps practices of all sizes reduce admin burdens, improve staff retention, and compete in a changing behavioral health landscape. This episode is part of our Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, where we explore tools and services designed for therapists and their clients.

About Our Guest:Candace Wallace is the Chief Customer Officer at Relias, overseeing Customer Success, Renewals, Support, and Professional Services. Since joining in 2013, she’s led several key teams and now focuses on delivering customer value at scale. With degrees in Archaeology and Religion from Baylor University, Candace’s career path includes both compliance consulting and a deep commitment to healthcare systems transformation.

Key Takeaways:


  
Relias reduces administrative burdens to improve patient care



  
Solutions are tailored to solo, small, and large practices alike



  
Training, leadership development, and compliance tracking in one platform



  
Helps therapist-led organizations stay competitive and grow sustainably



  
Started with small providers—continues to focus on accessible, effective tools




For full show notes and transcripts, visit:https://www.mtsgpodcast.com


Join the Modern Therapist Community:Linktree

Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCannMusic by Crystal Grooms Mangano</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Special Episode: Modern Therapist's Consumer Guide on Relias</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie talk with Candace Wallace, Chief Customer Officer at Relias, about how this tech-enabled platform supports therapist training, infrastructure, and regulatory compliance. Candace explains how Relias helps practices of all sizes reduce admin burdens, improve staff retention, and compete in a changing behavioral health landscape. This episode is part of our Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, where we explore tools and services designed for therapists and their clients.</p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest:</strong><br>Candace Wallace is the Chief Customer Officer at Relias, overseeing Customer Success, Renewals, Support, and Professional Services. Since joining in 2013, she’s led several key teams and now focuses on delivering customer value at scale. With degrees in Archaeology and Religion from Baylor University, Candace’s career path includes both compliance consulting and a deep commitment to healthcare systems transformation.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Relias reduces administrative burdens to improve patient care</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Solutions are tailored to solo, small, and large practices alike</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Training, leadership development, and compliance tracking in one platform</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Helps therapist-led organizations stay competitive and grow sustainably</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Started with small providers—continues to focus on accessible, effective tools</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>For full show notes and transcripts, visit:</strong><br><a href="https://www.mtsgpodcast.com">https://www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p>
<strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">Linktree</a>

<strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>Voice Over by <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">DW McCann</a><br>Music by <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">Crystal Grooms Mangano</a></p>
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      <title>How to Launch Therapy Intensives in Private Practice: An Interview with Steffeny Feld, LCSW</title>
      <description>Title: How to Launch Therapy Intensives in Private Practice: An Interview with Steffeny Feld, LCSW

Description:Curt and Katie chat with Steffeny Feld, LCSW, Therapist and Creator of the Intensive Design Lab, about how therapists can bring therapy intensives into private practice. We explore how therapy intensives differ from traditional therapy, how to structure and prepare for intensives, clinical considerations for both clients and clinicians, and why this model can be particularly supportive for highly sensitive or neurodivergent therapists.

About Our Guest:Steffeny Feld is a Therapist, Copywriter, and the Creator of the Intensive Design Lab where she supports therapists of all backgrounds and modalities to launch therapy intensives in private practice. Steffeny believes that therapy intensives are powerful and transformative for clients and the clinicians who offer them. She supports therapists to bring intensives into their practice so that they can work less and earn more while helping clients heal. Steffeny lives in St Louis, Missouri with her partner and 4-year-old son, Felix.

Key Takeaways:


  Therapy intensives offer a distinct therapy format, not just longer sessions.



  
Therapists must assess client readiness and window of tolerance carefully.



  
Intensives can support therapist sustainability, especially for highly sensitive and neurodivergent clinicians.



  
Practical considerations include session structure, pacing, and client comfort.



  
Therapy intensives provide an opportunity for deep clinical work and income diversification.




Link to Transcripts and Full Show Notes: https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann - https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano - https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Title: How to Launch Therapy Intensives in Private Practice: An Interview with Steffeny Feld, LCSW

Description:Curt and Katie chat with Steffeny Feld, LCSW, Therapist and Creator of the Intensive Design Lab, about how therapists can bring therapy intensives into private practice. We explore how therapy intensives differ from traditional therapy, how to structure and prepare for intensives, clinical considerations for both clients and clinicians, and why this model can be particularly supportive for highly sensitive or neurodivergent therapists.

About Our Guest:Steffeny Feld is a Therapist, Copywriter, and the Creator of the Intensive Design Lab where she supports therapists of all backgrounds and modalities to launch therapy intensives in private practice. Steffeny believes that therapy intensives are powerful and transformative for clients and the clinicians who offer them. She supports therapists to bring intensives into their practice so that they can work less and earn more while helping clients heal. Steffeny lives in St Louis, Missouri with her partner and 4-year-old son, Felix.

Key Takeaways:


  Therapy intensives offer a distinct therapy format, not just longer sessions.



  
Therapists must assess client readiness and window of tolerance carefully.



  
Intensives can support therapist sustainability, especially for highly sensitive and neurodivergent clinicians.



  
Practical considerations include session structure, pacing, and client comfort.



  
Therapy intensives provide an opportunity for deep clinical work and income diversification.




Link to Transcripts and Full Show Notes: https://mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann - https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano - https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Title:</strong> How to Launch Therapy Intensives in Private Practice: An Interview with Steffeny Feld, LCSW</p>
<p><strong>Description:</strong><br>Curt and Katie chat with Steffeny Feld, LCSW, Therapist and Creator of the Intensive Design Lab, about how therapists can bring therapy intensives into private practice. We explore how therapy intensives differ from traditional therapy, how to structure and prepare for intensives, clinical considerations for both clients and clinicians, and why this model can be particularly supportive for highly sensitive or neurodivergent therapists.</p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest:</strong><br>Steffeny Feld is a Therapist, Copywriter, and the Creator of the Intensive Design Lab where she supports therapists of all backgrounds and modalities to launch therapy intensives in private practice. Steffeny believes that therapy intensives are powerful and transformative for clients and the clinicians who offer them. She supports therapists to bring intensives into their practice so that they can work less and earn more while helping clients heal. Steffeny lives in St Louis, Missouri with her partner and 4-year-old son, Felix.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>Therapy intensives offer a distinct therapy format, not just longer sessions.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Therapists must assess client readiness and window of tolerance carefully.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Intensives can support therapist sustainability, especially for highly sensitive and neurodivergent clinicians.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Practical considerations include session structure, pacing, and client comfort.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapy intensives provide an opportunity for deep clinical work and income diversification.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Link to Transcripts and Full Show Notes:</strong> <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">https://mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br>Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>Voice Over by DW McCann - <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano - <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p><br></p>]]>
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      <title>Curt’s Guide to Life: Real-World Advice for Therapists Navigating Their Careers</title>
      <description>Curt’s Guide to Life: Real-World Advice for Therapists Navigating Their Careers

Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy chat about the practical and meaningful life lessons Curt has gathered throughout his career as a therapist, supervisor, and leader. From networking and curiosity to flexibility and reputation, this episode offers real-world advice for therapists trying to build sustainable careers.

Key Takeaways:


  
Network laterally with peers at similar stages



  
Stay curious—your clinical focus may evolve



  
Learn by doing, not just studying



  
Be kind and human in all professional interactions



  
Protect your reputation—it’s everything




Full show notes and transcript available at mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast
Podcast Homepage: https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast-episodes/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TherapyReimagined
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/d8694b64-3db1-11f0-908d-f3b4e5fb3a0f/image/7380a9adfcd41a4ba4b988c46521d0f1.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt’s Guide to Life: Real-World Advice for Therapists Navigating Their Careers

Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy chat about the practical and meaningful life lessons Curt has gathered throughout his career as a therapist, supervisor, and leader. From networking and curiosity to flexibility and reputation, this episode offers real-world advice for therapists trying to build sustainable careers.

Key Takeaways:


  
Network laterally with peers at similar stages



  
Stay curious—your clinical focus may evolve



  
Learn by doing, not just studying



  
Be kind and human in all professional interactions



  
Protect your reputation—it’s everything




Full show notes and transcript available at mtsgpodcast.com



Join the Modern Therapist Community:
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast
Podcast Homepage: https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast-episodes/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TherapyReimagined
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/



Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.com</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Curt’s Guide to Life: Real-World Advice for Therapists Navigating Their Careers</strong></p>
<p>Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy chat about the practical and meaningful life lessons Curt has gathered throughout his career as a therapist, supervisor, and leader. From networking and curiosity to flexibility and reputation, this episode offers real-world advice for therapists trying to build sustainable careers.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Network laterally with peers at similar stages</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Stay curious—your clinical focus may evolve</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Learn by doing, not just studying</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Be kind and human in all professional interactions</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Protect your reputation—it’s everything</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Full show notes and transcript available at mtsgpodcast.com</em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br>
Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a><br>
Patreon: <a href="">https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast</a><br>
Podcast Homepage: <a href="">https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast-episodes/</a><br>
YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@TherapyReimagined">https://www.youtube.com/@TherapyReimagined</a><br>
Facebook Group: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>
Voice Over by DW McCann – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a><br>
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">https://groomsymusic.com</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How Therapists Can Responsibly Support Disaster Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Shannon Goodhue, LCSW, PhD</title>
      <description>How Therapists Can Responsibly Support Disaster Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Shannon Goodhue, LCSW, PhD

Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Shannon Goodhue about how therapists can ethically support disaster-impacted communities. We explore how disaster mental health differs from traditional therapy, why most people don’t need long-term services, and how trained professionals can provide stabilization and support in both local and national crises. Shannon outlines the American Red Cross training process, the structure of deployments, and the importance of understanding when to step in—and when not to.

About Our Guest:Shannon Goodhue is the Senior Program Manager, Disaster Mental Health at the American Red Cross, overseeing the nationwide DMH team. With a PhD in International Psychology, a background in trauma and grief therapy, and past roles in D.C. disaster planning, Shannon brings deep experience in crisis response and ethical care. She’s also a former volunteer firefighter/EMT and currently lives in Virginia with her family.

Key Takeaways:


  Disaster mental health is not the same as therapy



  
Most survivors recover without mental health services



  
Therapists must be trained and vetted before entering shelters



  
Prevention and resilience-building are critical parts of crisis care



  
Red Cross deployments can be virtual, local, or national




More information and transcripts: mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:Hosted by Curt Widhalm and Katie VernoyMusic by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.comVoice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/fdb28f92-3ce0-11f0-af2f-e301365af5d2/image/9f2b0366e2e356163c69b2e46b23c478.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Therapists Can Responsibly Support Disaster Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Shannon Goodhue, LCSW, PhD

Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Shannon Goodhue about how therapists can ethically support disaster-impacted communities. We explore how disaster mental health differs from traditional therapy, why most people don’t need long-term services, and how trained professionals can provide stabilization and support in both local and national crises. Shannon outlines the American Red Cross training process, the structure of deployments, and the importance of understanding when to step in—and when not to.

About Our Guest:Shannon Goodhue is the Senior Program Manager, Disaster Mental Health at the American Red Cross, overseeing the nationwide DMH team. With a PhD in International Psychology, a background in trauma and grief therapy, and past roles in D.C. disaster planning, Shannon brings deep experience in crisis response and ethical care. She’s also a former volunteer firefighter/EMT and currently lives in Virginia with her family.

Key Takeaways:


  Disaster mental health is not the same as therapy



  
Most survivors recover without mental health services



  
Therapists must be trained and vetted before entering shelters



  
Prevention and resilience-building are critical parts of crisis care



  
Red Cross deployments can be virtual, local, or national




More information and transcripts: mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community:https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Creative Credits:Hosted by Curt Widhalm and Katie VernoyMusic by Crystal Grooms Mangano – https://groomsymusic.comVoice Over by DW McCann – https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>How Therapists Can Responsibly Support Disaster Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Shannon Goodhue, LCSW, PhD</strong></p>
<p><br>Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Shannon Goodhue about how therapists can ethically support disaster-impacted communities. We explore how disaster mental health differs from traditional therapy, why most people don’t need long-term services, and how trained professionals can provide stabilization and support in both local and national crises. Shannon outlines the American Red Cross training process, the structure of deployments, and the importance of understanding when to step in—and when not to.</p>
<p><strong>About Our Guest:</strong><br>Shannon Goodhue is the Senior Program Manager, Disaster Mental Health at the American Red Cross, overseeing the nationwide DMH team. With a PhD in International Psychology, a background in trauma and grief therapy, and past roles in D.C. disaster planning, Shannon brings deep experience in crisis response and ethical care. She’s also a former volunteer firefighter/EMT and currently lives in Virginia with her family.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>Disaster mental health is not the same as therapy</li>
</ul>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Most survivors recover without mental health services</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists must be trained and vetted before entering shelters</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Prevention and resilience-building are critical parts of crisis care</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Red Cross deployments can be virtual, local, or national</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>More information and transcripts:</strong> <a href="https://www.mtsgpodcast.com">mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community:</strong><br><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Creative Credits:</strong><br>Hosted by Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy<br>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano – <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">https://groomsymusic.com</a><br>Voice Over by DW McCann – <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW</a></p>
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      <title>How Therapists Can Support Community-Building in Immigrant and Marginalized Populations: An Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT</title>
      <description>How Therapists Can Support Community-Building in Immigrant and Marginalized Populations: An Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT


Curt and Katie chat with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT, about how therapists can support clients from immigrant and marginalized communities in building and maintaining safe, affirming relationships. They explore cultural responsiveness, identity, risk appetite, and how therapists can expand their awareness and approach beyond individualistic norms.

Guest Bio:Adri Rodriguez, LMFT is a therapist, educator, and host of Entre Tías y Amiguis Podcast. Their work focuses on generational healing, identity, and resilience through culturally grounded and justice-oriented approaches.

Key Takeaways:


  
Community is built on safety, belonging, and mutual understanding.



  
Risk appetite and intersectionality must shape how clients engage with community.



  
Therapists can use their online presence as a safety signal.



  
Staying informed without burnout is a clinical responsibility.




More Info:Full show notes and transcript available at mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community

• Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined


Creative Credits:


  
Voice Over by DW McCann: facebook.com/McCannDW



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: groomsymusic.com</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Therapists Can Support Community-Building in Immigrant and Marginalized Populations: An Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT


Curt and Katie chat with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT, about how therapists can support clients from immigrant and marginalized communities in building and maintaining safe, affirming relationships. They explore cultural responsiveness, identity, risk appetite, and how therapists can expand their awareness and approach beyond individualistic norms.

Guest Bio:Adri Rodriguez, LMFT is a therapist, educator, and host of Entre Tías y Amiguis Podcast. Their work focuses on generational healing, identity, and resilience through culturally grounded and justice-oriented approaches.

Key Takeaways:


  
Community is built on safety, belonging, and mutual understanding.



  
Risk appetite and intersectionality must shape how clients engage with community.



  
Therapists can use their online presence as a safety signal.



  
Staying informed without burnout is a clinical responsibility.




More Info:Full show notes and transcript available at mtsgpodcast.com

Join the Modern Therapist Community

• Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined


Creative Credits:


  
Voice Over by DW McCann: facebook.com/McCannDW



  
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: groomsymusic.com</itunes:summary>
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<p>
Curt and Katie chat with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT, about how therapists can support clients from immigrant and marginalized communities in building and maintaining safe, affirming relationships. They explore cultural responsiveness, identity, risk appetite, and how therapists can expand their awareness and approach beyond individualistic norms.</p>
<p><strong>Guest Bio:</strong><br>Adri Rodriguez, LMFT is a therapist, educator, and host of <em>Entre Tías y Amiguis</em> Podcast. Their work focuses on generational healing, identity, and resilience through culturally grounded and justice-oriented approaches.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Community is built on safety, belonging, and mutual understanding.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Risk appetite and intersectionality must shape how clients engage with community.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Therapists can use their online presence as a safety signal.</p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Staying informed without burnout is a clinical responsibility.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>More Info:</strong><br>Full show notes and transcript available at <a href="https://mtsgpodcast.com">mtsgpodcast.com</a></p>
<p><strong>Join the Modern Therapist Community</strong>

• Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</p>
<p>
<strong>Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
  <li>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">facebook.com/McCannDW</a></p>
</li>
  <li>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano: <a href="https://groomsymusic.com">groomsymusic.com</a></p>
</li>
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      <title>The Business of Therapy: Surviving Economic and Industry Disruptions</title>
      <description>The Business of Therapy: Surviving Economic and Industry Disruptions

Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can adapt to the changing business landscape of private practice, including fewer client inquiries, economic challenges, and increased competition. We share practical strategies for maintaining a sustainable therapy practice, improving marketing efforts, and building strong referral networks.

Transcripts and additional information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode we discuss running a private practice during times of economic uncertainty 

We’ve heard a lot about the real-time challenges that therapists are facing in a changing business landscape. With a drop in inquiries, increased financial pressures on clients, and greater competition from virtual and AI-based services, private practice clinicians are feeling the pinch. We explore how to adapt your business model, rethink marketing strategies, and prioritize networking and flexibility to weather the storm and build a more resilient practice.

What is the current state of private practice therapy businesses?

•	A drop in referrals and inquiries: Therapists are seeing fewer new client inquiries, especially compared to the pandemic boom. 

•	Economic pressures on clients: Some are requesting fee reductions or shifting to less frequent sessions, even when practices are technically full. 

•	Rising competition: Therapists are competing not just with other clinicians, but also with VC-backed platforms and AI services.

What can private practice therapists do to navigate the current business climate?

•	The need for adaptability: Offering in-person and virtual options, adjusting your fee structure, and being flexible can help retain clients.  

•	Business evolution: It’s more important than ever to regularly assess your practice’s expenses, operations, and marketing strategy.

•	Standing out in a crowded market: Specializing in specific modalities (like DBT or EMDR) and diversifying your service offerings (e.g., walk-and-talk therapy) can help.

•	Networking and community support: Building strong referral networks and staying connected with colleagues is essential in today’s climate.

•	Sustainability for therapists with additional needs: Flexibility can also support therapists who are neurodivergent or living with chronic illness.

Key Takeaways from this podcast episode for therapists

•	Monitor your referral trends and be proactive about filling client gaps—even if your caseload seems full.

•	Adjust your practice model as needed—offering hybrid sessions or reduced fees may help sustain your income.

•	Reevaluate your expenses and time investments (marketing, admin, documentation) for a more efficient practice.

•	Stay current and visible by evaluating SEO, trying Google Ads, and maintaining a strong online presence.

•	Network consistently—both online and in-person—to build a robust referral stream.

•	Don’t be afraid to evolve. Practices that are nimble and responsive to change are more likely to succeed long-term.



Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:

Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>The Business of Therapy: Surviving Economic and Industry Disruptions

Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can adapt to the changing business landscape of private practice, including fewer client inquiries, economic challenges, and increased competition. We share practical strategies for maintaining a sustainable therapy practice, improving marketing efforts, and building strong referral networks.

Transcripts and additional information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode we discuss running a private practice during times of economic uncertainty 

We’ve heard a lot about the real-time challenges that therapists are facing in a changing business landscape. With a drop in inquiries, increased financial pressures on clients, and greater competition from virtual and AI-based services, private practice clinicians are feeling the pinch. We explore how to adapt your business model, rethink marketing strategies, and prioritize networking and flexibility to weather the storm and build a more resilient practice.

What is the current state of private practice therapy businesses?

•	A drop in referrals and inquiries: Therapists are seeing fewer new client inquiries, especially compared to the pandemic boom. 

•	Economic pressures on clients: Some are requesting fee reductions or shifting to less frequent sessions, even when practices are technically full. 

•	Rising competition: Therapists are competing not just with other clinicians, but also with VC-backed platforms and AI services.

What can private practice therapists do to navigate the current business climate?

•	The need for adaptability: Offering in-person and virtual options, adjusting your fee structure, and being flexible can help retain clients.  

•	Business evolution: It’s more important than ever to regularly assess your practice’s expenses, operations, and marketing strategy.

•	Standing out in a crowded market: Specializing in specific modalities (like DBT or EMDR) and diversifying your service offerings (e.g., walk-and-talk therapy) can help.

•	Networking and community support: Building strong referral networks and staying connected with colleagues is essential in today’s climate.

•	Sustainability for therapists with additional needs: Flexibility can also support therapists who are neurodivergent or living with chronic illness.

Key Takeaways from this podcast episode for therapists

•	Monitor your referral trends and be proactive about filling client gaps—even if your caseload seems full.

•	Adjust your practice model as needed—offering hybrid sessions or reduced fees may help sustain your income.

•	Reevaluate your expenses and time investments (marketing, admin, documentation) for a more efficient practice.

•	Stay current and visible by evaluating SEO, trying Google Ads, and maintaining a strong online presence.

•	Network consistently—both online and in-person—to build a robust referral stream.

•	Don’t be afraid to evolve. Practices that are nimble and responsive to change are more likely to succeed long-term.



Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:

Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>The Business of Therapy: Surviving Economic and Industry Disruptions</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can adapt to the changing business landscape of private practice, including fewer client inquiries, economic challenges, and increased competition. We share practical strategies for maintaining a sustainable therapy practice, improving marketing efforts, and building strong referral networks.</p>
<p><em>Transcripts and additional information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!</em></p>
<p><strong>In this podcast episode we discuss running a private practice during times of economic uncertainty </strong></p>
<p>We’ve heard a lot about the real-time challenges that therapists are facing in a changing business landscape. With a drop in inquiries, increased financial pressures on clients, and greater competition from virtual and AI-based services, private practice clinicians are feeling the pinch. We explore how to adapt your business model, rethink marketing strategies, and prioritize networking and flexibility to weather the storm and build a more resilient practice.</p>
<p><strong>What is the current state of private practice therapy businesses?</strong></p>
<p>•	A drop in referrals and inquiries: Therapists are seeing fewer new client inquiries, especially compared to the pandemic boom. </p>
<p>•	Economic pressures on clients: Some are requesting fee reductions or shifting to less frequent sessions, even when practices are technically full. </p>
<p>•	Rising competition: Therapists are competing not just with other clinicians, but also with VC-backed platforms and AI services.</p>
<p><strong>What can private practice therapists do to navigate the current business climate?</strong></p>
<p>•	The need for adaptability: Offering in-person and virtual options, adjusting your fee structure, and being flexible can help retain clients.  </p>
<p>•	Business evolution: It’s more important than ever to regularly assess your practice’s expenses, operations, and marketing strategy.</p>
<p>•	Standing out in a crowded market: Specializing in specific modalities (like DBT or EMDR) and diversifying your service offerings (e.g., walk-and-talk therapy) can help.</p>
<p>•	Networking and community support: Building strong referral networks and staying connected with colleagues is essential in today’s climate.</p>
<p>•	Sustainability for therapists with additional needs: Flexibility can also support therapists who are neurodivergent or living with chronic illness.</p>
<p><strong>Key Takeaways from this podcast episode for therapists</strong></p>
<p>•	Monitor your referral trends and be proactive about filling client gaps—even if your caseload seems full.</p>
<p>•	Adjust your practice model as needed—offering hybrid sessions or reduced fees may help sustain your income.</p>
<p>•	Reevaluate your expenses and time investments (marketing, admin, documentation) for a more efficient practice.</p>
<p>•	Stay current and visible by evaluating SEO, trying Google Ads, and maintaining a strong online presence.</p>
<p>•	Network consistently—both online and in-person—to build a robust referral stream.</p>
<p>•	Don’t be afraid to evolve. Practices that are nimble and responsive to change are more likely to succeed long-term.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</strong></p>
<p>Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</p>]]>
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      <title>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on Buying Time, LLC</title>
      <description>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on Buying Time, LLC

Curt and Katie talk with Bibi Goldstein, of Buying Time, who provides virtual assistant services for therapists. Bibi shares her journey from starting a personal assistant service in 2007 to evolving into a comprehensive VA company. She emphasizes the importance of delegating tasks, using systems like QuickBooks and scheduling software, and maintaining consistent social media presence. Bibi's team provides comprehensive support, including bookkeeping, social media management, and email inbox management. Bibi stresses the importance of regular communication and flexibility to meet clients' needs. Curt and Katie highly recommend Buying Time for its efficiency and quality of service. This episode is part of our Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, where we explore innovative tools and services built for therapists and their clients.

In this podcast episode we talk about how to effectively incorporate business systems and delegate to a Virtual Assistant company like Buying Time, LLC

We talk with Bibi Goldstein about her business philosophy, strategic advice for therapists, and the services offered by her virtual assistant company, Buying Time.

Interview with Bibi Goldstein, Buying Time

0:01:00 - Introduction

0:04:06 - Company Origin Story

0:11:46 - Advice for Therapists on Business Operations

0:16:34 - Social Media Strategy vs. Implementation

0:20:00 - Delegation and Task Management

0:34:14 - Virtual EA vs. Virtual Assistant

0:36:17 – How to vet a potential Virtual Assistance Company

0:40:04 - How to Sign Up with Buying Time

0:43:20 - Contact Information

Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of Buying Time

0:45:24 – Katie and Curt talk through our impressions of Buying Time: We view Buying Time as an exceptional virtual support service that goes beyond typical administrative assistance, offering strategic guidance and practical solutions for therapists and entrepreneurs.



A Special Offer for the listeners of Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast from Buying Time

Buying Time has put together a free Systems Inventory Checklist to help all of us to uncover hidden expenses and optimize spending in your practice. Go to buyingtimellc.com/mtsg to get your free checklist now!

Relevant Links:

•	Website: buyingtimellc.com/mtsg

•	Email: service@buyingtimellc.com

•	Social Media: @buyingtimellc



Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>bonus</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/6c409c8e-326d-11f0-812b-2b07ca220f1d/image/ec349034dbfed47325102e79f9db4e93.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on Buying Time, LLC

Curt and Katie talk with Bibi Goldstein, of Buying Time, who provides virtual assistant services for therapists. Bibi shares her journey from starting a personal assistant service in 2007 to evolving into a comprehensive VA company. She emphasizes the importance of delegating tasks, using systems like QuickBooks and scheduling software, and maintaining consistent social media presence. Bibi's team provides comprehensive support, including bookkeeping, social media management, and email inbox management. Bibi stresses the importance of regular communication and flexibility to meet clients' needs. Curt and Katie highly recommend Buying Time for its efficiency and quality of service. This episode is part of our Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, where we explore innovative tools and services built for therapists and their clients.

In this podcast episode we talk about how to effectively incorporate business systems and delegate to a Virtual Assistant company like Buying Time, LLC

We talk with Bibi Goldstein about her business philosophy, strategic advice for therapists, and the services offered by her virtual assistant company, Buying Time.

Interview with Bibi Goldstein, Buying Time

0:01:00 - Introduction

0:04:06 - Company Origin Story

0:11:46 - Advice for Therapists on Business Operations

0:16:34 - Social Media Strategy vs. Implementation

0:20:00 - Delegation and Task Management

0:34:14 - Virtual EA vs. Virtual Assistant

0:36:17 – How to vet a potential Virtual Assistance Company

0:40:04 - How to Sign Up with Buying Time

0:43:20 - Contact Information

Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of Buying Time

0:45:24 – Katie and Curt talk through our impressions of Buying Time: We view Buying Time as an exceptional virtual support service that goes beyond typical administrative assistance, offering strategic guidance and practical solutions for therapists and entrepreneurs.



A Special Offer for the listeners of Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast from Buying Time

Buying Time has put together a free Systems Inventory Checklist to help all of us to uncover hidden expenses and optimize spending in your practice. Go to buyingtimellc.com/mtsg to get your free checklist now!

Relevant Links:

•	Website: buyingtimellc.com/mtsg

•	Email: service@buyingtimellc.com

•	Social Media: @buyingtimellc



Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<p>Curt and Katie talk with Bibi Goldstein, of Buying Time, who provides virtual assistant services for therapists. Bibi shares her journey from starting a personal assistant service in 2007 to evolving into a comprehensive VA company. She emphasizes the importance of delegating tasks, using systems like QuickBooks and scheduling software, and maintaining consistent social media presence. Bibi's team provides comprehensive support, including bookkeeping, social media management, and email inbox management. Bibi stresses the importance of regular communication and flexibility to meet clients' needs. Curt and Katie highly recommend Buying Time for its efficiency and quality of service. This episode is part of our Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, where we explore innovative tools and services built for therapists and their clients.</p>
<p><strong>In this podcast episode we talk about how to effectively incorporate business systems and delegate to a Virtual Assistant company like Buying Time, LLC</strong></p>
<p>We talk with Bibi Goldstein about her business philosophy, strategic advice for therapists, and the services offered by her virtual assistant company, Buying Time.</p>
<p>Interview with Bibi Goldstein, Buying Time</p>
<p>0:01:00 - Introduction</p>
<p>0:04:06 - Company Origin Story</p>
<p>0:11:46 - Advice for Therapists on Business Operations</p>
<p>0:16:34 - Social Media Strategy vs. Implementation</p>
<p>0:20:00 - Delegation and Task Management</p>
<p>0:34:14 - Virtual EA vs. Virtual Assistant</p>
<p>0:36:17 – How to vet a potential Virtual Assistance Company</p>
<p>0:40:04 - How to Sign Up with Buying Time</p>
<p>0:43:20 - Contact Information</p>
<p>Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of Buying Time</p>
<p>0:45:24 – Katie and Curt talk through our impressions of Buying Time: We view Buying Time as an exceptional virtual support service that goes beyond typical administrative assistance, offering strategic guidance and practical solutions for therapists and entrepreneurs.</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>A Special Offer for the listeners of Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast from Buying Time</strong></p>
<p>Buying Time has put together a free Systems Inventory Checklist to help all of us to uncover hidden expenses and optimize spending in your practice. Go to buyingtimellc.com/mtsg to get your free checklist now!</p>
<p><strong>Relevant Links:</strong></p>
<p>•	Website: buyingtimellc.com/mtsg</p>
<p>•	Email: service@buyingtimellc.com</p>
<p>•	Social Media: @buyingtimellc</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p>
<p><br></p>]]>
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      <title>Understanding Sexual Trauma and Hookup Culture in Therapy with Gay Men: An Interview with Michael Pezzullo, LMFT</title>
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Curt and Katie chat with Michael Pezzullo, LMFT, about providing affirming and trauma-informed therapy for gay men. We explore common misconceptions therapists hold, the complexities of hookup culture, and how sexual trauma often shows up in subtle and misunderstood ways. We also look at how clinicians can better navigate issues of consent, drug use, and boundary violations when working with this population.

Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we explore affirming, trauma-informed therapy for gay men

We invited Michael Pezzullo to the podcast to discuss the often-overlooked nuances of working with gay men in therapy. From hookup culture to sexual trauma, Michael breaks down what therapists need to understand to avoid causing harm or misinterpreting client behavior. His perspective emphasizes the importance of clinical humility, cultural knowledge, and a collaborative approach.


  Common Therapist Mistakes When Working with Gay Men

  What Therapists Need to Understand About Hookup Culture, Risk, and Drug Use

  Addressing Sexual Trauma and Boundary Violations in the Gay Community

  Helping Gay Men in Building and Enforcing Boundaries

  Navigating Presenting, Shame, and the “Velvet Rage”

  Creating a Safe and Affirming Space for Gay Clients

  Using Social Media and Influencers as Cultural Education

  Therapist Takeaways


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:

Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/c601ac50-2cfe-11f0-a95a-c7feb963715c/image/1b694ca1acdd3513331916ab96954229.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Understanding Sexual Trauma and Hookup Culture in Therapy with Gay Men: An Interview with Michael Pezzullo, LMFT

Curt and Katie chat with Michael Pezzullo, LMFT, about providing affirming and trauma-informed therapy for gay men. We explore common misconceptions therapists hold, the complexities of hookup culture, and how sexual trauma often shows up in subtle and misunderstood ways. We also look at how clinicians can better navigate issues of consent, drug use, and boundary violations when working with this population.

Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we explore affirming, trauma-informed therapy for gay men

We invited Michael Pezzullo to the podcast to discuss the often-overlooked nuances of working with gay men in therapy. From hookup culture to sexual trauma, Michael breaks down what therapists need to understand to avoid causing harm or misinterpreting client behavior. His perspective emphasizes the importance of clinical humility, cultural knowledge, and a collaborative approach.


  Common Therapist Mistakes When Working with Gay Men

  What Therapists Need to Understand About Hookup Culture, Risk, and Drug Use

  Addressing Sexual Trauma and Boundary Violations in the Gay Community

  Helping Gay Men in Building and Enforcing Boundaries

  Navigating Presenting, Shame, and the “Velvet Rage”

  Creating a Safe and Affirming Space for Gay Clients

  Using Social Media and Influencers as Cultural Education

  Therapist Takeaways


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:

Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined



Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Understanding Sexual Trauma and Hookup Culture in Therapy with Gay Men: An Interview with Michael Pezzullo, LMFT</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie chat with Michael Pezzullo, LMFT, about providing affirming and trauma-informed therapy for gay men. We explore common misconceptions therapists hold, the complexities of hookup culture, and how sexual trauma often shows up in subtle and misunderstood ways. We also look at how clinicians can better navigate issues of consent, drug use, and boundary violations when working with this population.</p>
<p><em>Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!</em></p>
<p><strong>In this podcast episode, we explore affirming, trauma-informed therapy for gay men</strong></p>
<p>We invited Michael Pezzullo to the podcast to discuss the often-overlooked nuances of working with gay men in therapy. From hookup culture to sexual trauma, Michael breaks down what therapists need to understand to avoid causing harm or misinterpreting client behavior. His perspective emphasizes the importance of clinical humility, cultural knowledge, and a collaborative approach.</p>
<ul>
  <li>Common Therapist Mistakes When Working with Gay Men</li>
  <li>What Therapists Need to Understand About Hookup Culture, Risk, and Drug Use</li>
  <li>Addressing Sexual Trauma and Boundary Violations in the Gay Community</li>
  <li>Helping Gay Men in Building and Enforcing Boundaries</li>
  <li>Navigating Presenting, Shame, and the “Velvet Rage”</li>
  <li>Creating a Safe and Affirming Space for Gay Clients</li>
  <li>Using Social Media and Influencers as Cultural Education</li>
  <li>Therapist Takeaways</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</strong></p>
<p>Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</p>
<p><br></p>]]>
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    <item>
      <title>Therapy Insurance and Billing Trends for Private Practice in 2025: An Interview with Sanjana Sathya</title>
      <description>Therapy Insurance and Billing Trends for Private Practice in 2025: An Interview with Sanjana Sathya

Curt and Katie chat with Sanjana Sathya, co-founder of Thrizer, about the current landscape of mental health billing and insurance. Drawing from the 2025 State of Mental Health Insurance and Marketing report, Sanjana shares insights from hundreds of clinicians on reimbursement trends,  hybrid practice models, and strategies for reducing administrative burden. They explore how therapists can make sustainable choices about private pay, insurance, and out-of-network billing — all while preparing for future changes in the mental health field.

Transcripts and more information for this episode will be
available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we talk about how insurance is working for therapy right now

Therapists in private practice must make choices between insurance, private pay, or hybrid billing. They all have pros and cons that can shift as
the economy and insurance reimbursement rates change. We talked with our partner, Sanjana Sathya from Thrizer about a survey they conducted to identify what the state of insurance is now. 

·       Survey insights on therapist billing models

·       Pros and cons of accepting insurance as a therapist

·       Exploring private pay and hybrid models for therapy practices

·       What is out-of-network billing and how can therapists use this model to best effect?

·       How therapists can choose a trustworthy billing service

·       How to future-proof your therapy practices

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:

Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/24376f70-2b98-11f0-8a20-37adcc8dd107/image/b5f04de8a0f784f8299fde2722301b16.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Therapy Insurance and Billing Trends for Private Practice in 2025: An Interview with Sanjana Sathya

Curt and Katie chat with Sanjana Sathya, co-founder of Thrizer, about the current landscape of mental health billing and insurance. Drawing from the 2025 State of Mental Health Insurance and Marketing report, Sanjana shares insights from hundreds of clinicians on reimbursement trends,  hybrid practice models, and strategies for reducing administrative burden. They explore how therapists can make sustainable choices about private pay, insurance, and out-of-network billing — all while preparing for future changes in the mental health field.

Transcripts and more information for this episode will be
available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we talk about how insurance is working for therapy right now

Therapists in private practice must make choices between insurance, private pay, or hybrid billing. They all have pros and cons that can shift as
the economy and insurance reimbursement rates change. We talked with our partner, Sanjana Sathya from Thrizer about a survey they conducted to identify what the state of insurance is now. 

·       Survey insights on therapist billing models

·       Pros and cons of accepting insurance as a therapist

·       Exploring private pay and hybrid models for therapy practices

·       What is out-of-network billing and how can therapists use this model to best effect?

·       How therapists can choose a trustworthy billing service

·       How to future-proof your therapy practices

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:

Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:

Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Therapy Insurance and Billing Trends for Private Practice in 2025: An Interview with Sanjana Sathya</strong>

Curt and Katie chat with Sanjana Sathya, co-founder of Thrizer, about the current landscape of mental health billing and insurance. Drawing from the 2025 State of Mental Health Insurance and Marketing report, Sanjana shares insights from hundreds of clinicians on reimbursement trends,  hybrid practice models, and strategies for reducing administrative burden. They explore how therapists can make sustainable choices about private pay, insurance, and out-of-network billing — all while preparing for future changes in the mental health field.</p>
<p><em>Transcripts and more information for this episode will be
available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p>
<p><strong>In this podcast episode, we talk about how insurance is working for therapy right now</strong></p>
<p>Therapists in private practice must make choices between insurance, private pay, or hybrid billing. They all have pros and cons that can shift as
the economy and insurance reimbursement rates change. We talked with our partner, Sanjana Sathya from Thrizer about a survey they conducted to identify what the state of insurance is now. </p>
<p>·       Survey insights on therapist billing models</p>
<p>·       Pros and cons of accepting insurance as a therapist</p>
<p>·       Exploring private pay and hybrid models for therapy practices</p>
<p>·       What is out-of-network billing and how can therapists use this model to best effect?</p>
<p>·       How therapists can choose a trustworthy billing service</p>
<p>·       How to future-proof your therapy practices</p>
<p><strong>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</strong></p>
<p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p><strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong></p>
<p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:duration>2589</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Navigating Incel Culture: Therapy Approaches for Manosphere Clients</title>
      <description>Navigating Incel Culture: Therapy Approaches for Manosphere Clients

Curt and Katie respond to all the discussions that popped up about the Netflix series Adolescence and its portrayal of a 13-year-old boy accused of murder. We chat about the complexities of working with clients labeled as "incels." We also explore the importance of understanding the impact of that label (especially when clients are not self-identified as “incels”), internet culture - particularly the manosphere, and the challenges therapists can face when working with clients holding these beliefs.

 Transcripts and additional information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!



In this podcast episode we discuss working with clients labeled as
"incels" 

Curt and Katie explore the focus on “incels” in the discussions about the Netflix series Adolescence. We dive into the nuances of understanding internet subcultures and how therapists can effectively work with clients influenced by the manosphere, while also addressing concerns about suicidality, homicidality, and therapy strategies.


  What is an "Incel" and where does that term fit into the evolution of the manosphere internet community?

  Challenges in therapy with clients from the manosphere (incels, red pill, men's rights groups)

  The intersection of autism and the incel community in therapy

  Safety concerns: Suicidality and homicidality in clients from manosphere communities

  Strategies for effective therapy with clients from the incel/manosphere communities

  Key treatment goals when working with clients from the incel community


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined


Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/71112c00-253a-11f0-8f5f-5f62d354c37a/image/b30183c6938fa1752848cfcbcae0a1b6.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Navigating Incel Culture: Therapy Approaches for Manosphere Clients

Curt and Katie respond to all the discussions that popped up about the Netflix series Adolescence and its portrayal of a 13-year-old boy accused of murder. We chat about the complexities of working with clients labeled as "incels." We also explore the importance of understanding the impact of that label (especially when clients are not self-identified as “incels”), internet culture - particularly the manosphere, and the challenges therapists can face when working with clients holding these beliefs.

 Transcripts and additional information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!



In this podcast episode we discuss working with clients labeled as
"incels" 

Curt and Katie explore the focus on “incels” in the discussions about the Netflix series Adolescence. We dive into the nuances of understanding internet subcultures and how therapists can effectively work with clients influenced by the manosphere, while also addressing concerns about suicidality, homicidality, and therapy strategies.


  What is an "Incel" and where does that term fit into the evolution of the manosphere internet community?

  Challenges in therapy with clients from the manosphere (incels, red pill, men's rights groups)

  The intersection of autism and the incel community in therapy

  Safety concerns: Suicidality and homicidality in clients from manosphere communities

  Strategies for effective therapy with clients from the incel/manosphere communities

  Key treatment goals when working with clients from the incel community


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined


Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Navigating Incel Culture: Therapy Approaches for Manosphere Clients</strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie respond to all the discussions that popped up about the Netflix series Adolescence and its portrayal of a 13-year-old boy accused of murder. We chat about the complexities of working with clients labeled as "incels." We also explore the importance of understanding the impact of that label (especially when clients are not self-identified as “incels”), internet culture - particularly the manosphere, and the challenges therapists can face when working with clients holding these beliefs.</p>
<p> <em>Transcripts and additional information for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p>
<p><br></p>
<p><strong>In this podcast episode we discuss working with clients labeled as
"incels" </strong></p>
<p>Curt and Katie explore the focus on “incels” in the discussions about the Netflix series Adolescence. We dive into the nuances of understanding internet subcultures and how therapists can effectively work with clients influenced by the manosphere, while also addressing concerns about suicidality, homicidality, and therapy strategies.</p>
<ul>
  <li>What is an "Incel" and where does that term fit into the evolution of the manosphere internet community?</li>
  <li>Challenges in therapy with clients from the manosphere (incels, red pill, men's rights groups)</li>
  <li>The intersection of autism and the incel community in therapy</li>
  <li>Safety concerns: Suicidality and homicidality in clients from manosphere communities</li>
  <li>Strategies for effective therapy with clients from the incel/manosphere communities</li>
  <li>Key treatment goals when working with clients from the incel community</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</strong>
Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>
<p>
<strong>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</strong>
Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p>
<p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>
<p><br></p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:duration>2844</itunes:duration>
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    <item>
      <title>Planning for Death or Incapacitation - What Therapists Need to Do: An interview with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D.</title>
      <description>Planning for Death or Incapacitation - What Therapists Need to Do: An interview with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D.
Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D., of TheraClosure about professional wills and what therapists need to do to effectively plan for their own incapacity or death. She shares her experience stepping in as a practice executor for colleagues, the trauma that can result when therapists disappear without explanation, and the systems she’s created through her program to provide compassionate and organized transitions for patients. This is a conversation about professional wills, ethical responsibilities, and why planning for the worst brings peace of mind.
Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
(Show notes provided in collaboration with Otter.ai and ChatGPT.)
 
In this podcast episode, we talk about planning for a therapist’s unexpected absence, incapacity, or death
Too many therapists avoid thinking about what will happen to their clients if they can no longer practice due to sudden illness, incapacitation, or death. Dr. Robyn Miller joins Curt and Katie to discuss why it’s essential to have a professional will, and how to make sure you’re not leaving your clients without closure or support.


Why Therapists Must Plan for Death or Incapacitation

What Goes into a Professional Will for Therapists

The Role and Burden of a Practice Executor

Creating a Plan that’s Clinically Thoughtful

Systemic Issues and Professional Responsibility

Action Steps for Modern Therapists


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/7c72c2ea-2079-11f0-942c-3bb049d4576e/image/125ecea6368f1d714e6770ac9401f5e1.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Planning for Death or Incapacitation - What Therapists Need to Do: An interview with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D.
Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D., of TheraClosure about professional wills and what therapists need to do to effectively plan for their own incapacity or death. She shares her experience stepping in as a practice executor for colleagues, the trauma that can result when therapists disappear without explanation, and the systems she’s created through her program to provide compassionate and organized transitions for patients. This is a conversation about professional wills, ethical responsibilities, and why planning for the worst brings peace of mind.
Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
(Show notes provided in collaboration with Otter.ai and ChatGPT.)
 
In this podcast episode, we talk about planning for a therapist’s unexpected absence, incapacity, or death
Too many therapists avoid thinking about what will happen to their clients if they can no longer practice due to sudden illness, incapacitation, or death. Dr. Robyn Miller joins Curt and Katie to discuss why it’s essential to have a professional will, and how to make sure you’re not leaving your clients without closure or support.


Why Therapists Must Plan for Death or Incapacitation

What Goes into a Professional Will for Therapists

The Role and Burden of a Practice Executor

Creating a Plan that’s Clinically Thoughtful

Systemic Issues and Professional Responsibility

Action Steps for Modern Therapists


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<h1>Planning for Death or Incapacitation - What Therapists Need to Do: An interview with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D.</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Robyn Miller, Ph.D., of TheraClosure about professional wills and what therapists need to do to effectively plan for their own incapacity or death. She shares her experience stepping in as a practice executor for colleagues, the trauma that can result when therapists disappear without explanation, and the systems she’s created through her program to provide compassionate and organized transitions for patients. This is a conversation about professional wills, ethical responsibilities, and why planning for the worst brings peace of mind.</p><p><em>Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p><em>(Show notes provided in collaboration with Otter.ai and ChatGPT.)</em></p><h2> </h2><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about planning for a therapist’s unexpected absence, incapacity, or death</h2><p>Too many therapists avoid thinking about what will happen to their clients if they can no longer practice due to sudden illness, incapacitation, or death. Dr. Robyn Miller joins Curt and Katie to discuss why it’s essential to have a professional will, and how to make sure you’re not leaving your clients without closure or support.</p><p><br></p><ul>
<li>Why Therapists Must Plan for Death or Incapacitation</li>
<li>What Goes into a Professional Will for Therapists</li>
<li>The Role and Burden of a Practice Executor</li>
<li>Creating a Plan that’s Clinically Thoughtful</li>
<li>Systemic Issues and Professional Responsibility</li>
<li>Action Steps for Modern Therapists</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:duration>2619</itunes:duration>
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    <item>
      <title>Interpersonal Branding - Therapist Marketing That Aligns With Who You Are: An interview with Carrie Wiita</title>
      <description>Interpersonal Branding - Therapist Marketing That Aligns With Who You Are: An interview with Carrie Wiita
Curt and Katie chat with Carrie Wiita about authenticity, first impressions, and why traditional business coaching doesn’t work for most therapists. Carrie critiques traditional business coaching models that rely on anecdotal “success stories” and mindset hype, and instead offers a relational, thoughtful, and research-informed framework to help therapists show up in alignment with their professional identities. We also explore the unique challenges therapists from marginalized communities face in marketing, and how systemic issues influence visibility and access.
Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can market themselves ethically, authentically, and effectively
Marketing for therapists doesn’t have to feel slimy, manipulative, or one-size-fits-all. Carrie Wiita, a marketing therapist and creator of interpersonal branding, shares how therapists can use their natural strengths, values, and clinical insights to build trust through marketing—without pretending to be someone they’re not.


What is Interpersonal Branding for Therapists?

The Problem with Traditional Business Coaching for Therapists

The Impact of First Impressions on the Therapeutic Relationship 

Navigating Identity and Professional Boundaries as a Therapist

Marketing and Systemic Oppression with the Therapist Profession


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/6acbb764-1f01-11f0-85b3-e7dfa1d43c52/image/1ce1e22277b253da17788b873fdbd60c.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Interpersonal Branding - Therapist Marketing That Aligns With Who You Are: An interview with Carrie Wiita
Curt and Katie chat with Carrie Wiita about authenticity, first impressions, and why traditional business coaching doesn’t work for most therapists. Carrie critiques traditional business coaching models that rely on anecdotal “success stories” and mindset hype, and instead offers a relational, thoughtful, and research-informed framework to help therapists show up in alignment with their professional identities. We also explore the unique challenges therapists from marginalized communities face in marketing, and how systemic issues influence visibility and access.
Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can market themselves ethically, authentically, and effectively
Marketing for therapists doesn’t have to feel slimy, manipulative, or one-size-fits-all. Carrie Wiita, a marketing therapist and creator of interpersonal branding, shares how therapists can use their natural strengths, values, and clinical insights to build trust through marketing—without pretending to be someone they’re not.


What is Interpersonal Branding for Therapists?

The Problem with Traditional Business Coaching for Therapists

The Impact of First Impressions on the Therapeutic Relationship 

Navigating Identity and Professional Boundaries as a Therapist

Marketing and Systemic Oppression with the Therapist Profession


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Interpersonal Branding - Therapist Marketing That Aligns With Who You Are: An interview with Carrie Wiita</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat with Carrie Wiita about authenticity, first impressions, and why traditional business coaching doesn’t work for most therapists. Carrie critiques traditional business coaching models that rely on anecdotal “success stories” and mindset hype, and instead offers a relational, thoughtful, and research-informed framework to help therapists show up in alignment with their professional identities. We also explore the unique challenges therapists from marginalized communities face in marketing, and how systemic issues influence visibility and access.</p><p><em>Transcripts and more information for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p><br></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can market themselves ethically, authentically, and effectively</h2><p>Marketing for therapists doesn’t have to feel slimy, manipulative, or one-size-fits-all. Carrie Wiita, a marketing therapist and creator of interpersonal branding, shares how therapists can use their natural strengths, values, and clinical insights to build trust through marketing—without pretending to be someone they’re not.</p><p><br></p><ul>
<li>What is Interpersonal Branding for Therapists?</li>
<li>The Problem with Traditional Business Coaching for Therapists</li>
<li>The Impact of First Impressions on the Therapeutic Relationship </li>
<li>Navigating Identity and Professional Boundaries as a Therapist</li>
<li>Marketing and Systemic Oppression with the Therapist Profession</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on JotPsych</title>
      <description>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on JotPsych
Curt and Katie talk with Nate Peereboom, CEO and co-founder of JotPsych, an AI-powered scribe designed to automate therapy notes and save therapists 90–95% of their note-taking time. Jot Psych supports over 30 languages, integrates with many EHRs, and prioritizes security and privacy. In this conversation, we dive into how AI can support clinicians while protecting the integrity of the therapeutic relationship. This episode is part of our Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, where we explore innovative tools and services built for therapists and their clients.
In this podcast episode we talk about AI Scribes and making your clinical documentation more efficient and effective with JotPsych
We explore how Jot Psych uses artificial intelligence to ease the documentation burden in therapy practices, while maintaining HIPAA compliance and respecting client privacy.
Interview with Nate Peereboom, JotPsych
0:01:07 - Nate introduces himself and JotPsych
0:02:18 - Origin story of JotPsych and why they created the company
0:05:34 - Mission, vision, and values of the business
0:09:42 - Process of using JotPsych and note generation
0:12:08 - Business and clinical considerations for using AI scribes
0:16:14 - Privacy concerns and client consent
0:20:30 - Concerns about data training and potential AI therapist replacement
0:31:18 - Multilingual capabilities
0:31:52 - Quality assurance processes
0:34:49 - Onboarding process for new users
0:40:16 - Where to find more information about JotPsych
Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of JotPsych
0:42:07 – Katie and Curt talk through our impressions of JotPsych: Considerations for choosing JotPsych, paying attention to scope and accuracy in documentation that is produced, how tools
like Jot Psych can serve solo and group practices, the importance of testing AI tools in real-world practice before full adoption

A Special Offer for the listeners of Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast from JotPsych

Try Jot Psych with a 10-day free trial and get 50% off the first two paid months.

Visit jotpsych.com/modern-therapist and use code MODERN

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on JotPsych
Curt and Katie talk with Nate Peereboom, CEO and co-founder of JotPsych, an AI-powered scribe designed to automate therapy notes and save therapists 90–95% of their note-taking time. Jot Psych supports over 30 languages, integrates with many EHRs, and prioritizes security and privacy. In this conversation, we dive into how AI can support clinicians while protecting the integrity of the therapeutic relationship. This episode is part of our Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, where we explore innovative tools and services built for therapists and their clients.
In this podcast episode we talk about AI Scribes and making your clinical documentation more efficient and effective with JotPsych
We explore how Jot Psych uses artificial intelligence to ease the documentation burden in therapy practices, while maintaining HIPAA compliance and respecting client privacy.
Interview with Nate Peereboom, JotPsych
0:01:07 - Nate introduces himself and JotPsych
0:02:18 - Origin story of JotPsych and why they created the company
0:05:34 - Mission, vision, and values of the business
0:09:42 - Process of using JotPsych and note generation
0:12:08 - Business and clinical considerations for using AI scribes
0:16:14 - Privacy concerns and client consent
0:20:30 - Concerns about data training and potential AI therapist replacement
0:31:18 - Multilingual capabilities
0:31:52 - Quality assurance processes
0:34:49 - Onboarding process for new users
0:40:16 - Where to find more information about JotPsych
Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of JotPsych
0:42:07 – Katie and Curt talk through our impressions of JotPsych: Considerations for choosing JotPsych, paying attention to scope and accuracy in documentation that is produced, how tools
like Jot Psych can serve solo and group practices, the importance of testing AI tools in real-world practice before full adoption

A Special Offer for the listeners of Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast from JotPsych

Try Jot Psych with a 10-day free trial and get 50% off the first two paid months.

Visit jotpsych.com/modern-therapist and use code MODERN

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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      <title>When Laws and Ethics Conflict: Civil Disobedience, Social Justice, and Our Role as Therapists</title>
      <description>When Laws and Ethics Conflict: Civil Disobedience, Social Justice, and Our Role as Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about what happens when legal requirements clash with ethical responsibilities—and how therapists can stay grounded in their values while navigating complex decisions. When you find yourself in a situation where the law seems to contradict your ethics, or even violate your clients’ basic human rights, what do you do? In this deep-dive episode, we explore the tension between law and ethics and the moral courage required to practice in alignment with your values. From post-9/11 changes in APA’s ethics code to current issues like
gender-affirming care restrictions, we explore real-world implications and guide you through a framework for ethical decision-making in the face of legal and systemic challenges. This is a continuing education podcourse. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode we talk about laws, ethics, and the difficult decisions therapists face in practice 
Executive orders and nationwide proposed legislative bills that affect mental health have left therapists wondering, “Will my ethics protect me?” This episode and podcourse explores the interplay between laws and ethics, how professional organizations guide therapists when laws and ethics collide and gives a framework for how therapists should proceed. Participants will
learn how to identify potential conflicts, understand their legal and ethical obligations, and develop effective decision-making processes. Topics explored will include risk management strategies, consultation best practices, and documentation considerations in conflictual situations.
How do Modern Therapists navigate Ethics vs. Law in our practices?
·      Where clinical ethics and legal obligations collide
·      How our ethical codes approach this conflict (APA, ACA, NASW, CAMFT)
·      The importance of understanding your responsibilities beyond compliance
Civil Disobedience as Therapists out in the world and in our offices
·      Philosophical roots: Antigone, Nuremberg, and post-9/11 ethics reform
·      When following the law may cause harm to clients or communities
·      How to protect your license while still honoring human rights
Real-Life Legal versus Ethical Dilemmas for Modern Therapists 
·      What to do when reporting requirements might increase harm
·      How to support trans and gender-diverse clients in states with discriminatory laws
·      Navigating confidentiality, documentation, and advocacy
A Therapist’s Decision-Making Process for Civil Disobedience
From Knapp, S., Gottlieb, M., Berman, J., &amp; Handelsman, M. M. (2007). When laws and ethics collide: What should psychologists do? 
·   Seek consultation to understand your legal requirements (know what the law is actually asking you to do, even if that means taking the time to consult with an attorney)
·      Clearly understand your ethical obligations (read the language of the ethics code and consult with trusted colleagues)
·      Consider alternatives that allow following the law while upholding your values
·      Contemplate violating the law only if no viable alternatives exist, and if so, limit disobedience to the minimum necessary to fulfill the higher goal
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined
#TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>When Laws and Ethics Conflict: Civil Disobedience, Social Justice, and Our Role as Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about what happens when legal requirements clash with ethical responsibilities—and how therapists can stay grounded in their values while navigating complex decisions. When you find yourself in a situation where the law seems to contradict your ethics, or even violate your clients’ basic human rights, what do you do? In this deep-dive episode, we explore the tension between law and ethics and the moral courage required to practice in alignment with your values. From post-9/11 changes in APA’s ethics code to current issues like
gender-affirming care restrictions, we explore real-world implications and guide you through a framework for ethical decision-making in the face of legal and systemic challenges. This is a continuing education podcourse. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode we talk about laws, ethics, and the difficult decisions therapists face in practice 
Executive orders and nationwide proposed legislative bills that affect mental health have left therapists wondering, “Will my ethics protect me?” This episode and podcourse explores the interplay between laws and ethics, how professional organizations guide therapists when laws and ethics collide and gives a framework for how therapists should proceed. Participants will
learn how to identify potential conflicts, understand their legal and ethical obligations, and develop effective decision-making processes. Topics explored will include risk management strategies, consultation best practices, and documentation considerations in conflictual situations.
How do Modern Therapists navigate Ethics vs. Law in our practices?
·      Where clinical ethics and legal obligations collide
·      How our ethical codes approach this conflict (APA, ACA, NASW, CAMFT)
·      The importance of understanding your responsibilities beyond compliance
Civil Disobedience as Therapists out in the world and in our offices
·      Philosophical roots: Antigone, Nuremberg, and post-9/11 ethics reform
·      When following the law may cause harm to clients or communities
·      How to protect your license while still honoring human rights
Real-Life Legal versus Ethical Dilemmas for Modern Therapists 
·      What to do when reporting requirements might increase harm
·      How to support trans and gender-diverse clients in states with discriminatory laws
·      Navigating confidentiality, documentation, and advocacy
A Therapist’s Decision-Making Process for Civil Disobedience
From Knapp, S., Gottlieb, M., Berman, J., &amp; Handelsman, M. M. (2007). When laws and ethics collide: What should psychologists do? 
·   Seek consultation to understand your legal requirements (know what the law is actually asking you to do, even if that means taking the time to consult with an attorney)
·      Clearly understand your ethical obligations (read the language of the ethics code and consult with trusted colleagues)
·      Consider alternatives that allow following the law while upholding your values
·      Contemplate violating the law only if no viable alternatives exist, and if so, limit disobedience to the minimum necessary to fulfill the higher goal
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined
#TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<h1>When Laws and Ethics Conflict: Civil Disobedience, Social Justice, and Our Role as Therapists</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about what happens when legal requirements clash with ethical responsibilities—and how therapists can stay grounded in their values while navigating complex decisions. When you find yourself in a situation where the law seems to contradict your ethics, or even violate your clients’ basic human rights, what do you do? In this deep-dive episode, we explore the tension between law and ethics and the moral courage required to practice in alignment with your values. From post-9/11 changes in APA’s ethics code to current issues like</p><p>gender-affirming care restrictions, we explore real-world implications and guide you through a framework for ethical decision-making in the face of legal and systemic challenges. This is a continuing education podcourse. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p><br></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about laws, ethics, and the difficult decisions therapists face in practice </h2><p>Executive orders and nationwide proposed legislative bills that affect mental health have left therapists wondering, “Will my ethics protect me?” This episode and podcourse explores the interplay between laws and ethics, how professional organizations guide therapists when laws and ethics collide and gives a framework for how therapists should proceed. Participants will</p><p>learn how to identify potential conflicts, understand their legal and ethical obligations, and develop effective decision-making processes. Topics explored will include risk management strategies, consultation best practices, and documentation considerations in conflictual situations.</p><h3>How do Modern Therapists navigate Ethics vs. Law in our practices?</h3><p>·      Where clinical ethics and legal obligations collide</p><p>·      How our ethical codes approach this conflict (APA, ACA, NASW, CAMFT)</p><p>·      The importance of understanding your responsibilities beyond compliance</p><h3>Civil Disobedience as Therapists out in the world and in our offices</h3><p>·      Philosophical roots: Antigone, Nuremberg, and post-9/11 ethics reform</p><p>·      When following the law may cause harm to clients or communities</p><p>·      How to protect your license while still honoring human rights</p><h3>Real-Life Legal versus Ethical Dilemmas for Modern Therapists </h3><p>·      What to do when reporting requirements might increase harm</p><p>·      How to support trans and gender-diverse clients in states with discriminatory laws</p><p>·      Navigating confidentiality, documentation, and advocacy</p><h3>A Therapist’s Decision-Making Process for Civil Disobedience</h3><p>From Knapp, S., Gottlieb, M., Berman, J., &amp; Handelsman, M. M. (2007). When laws and ethics collide: What should psychologists do? </p><p>·   Seek consultation to understand your legal requirements (know what the law is actually asking you to do, even if that means taking the time to consult with an attorney)</p><p>·      Clearly understand your ethical obligations (read the language of the ethics code and consult with trusted colleagues)</p><p>·      Consider alternatives that allow following the law while upholding your values</p><p>·      Contemplate violating the law only if no viable alternatives exist, and if so, limit disobedience to the minimum necessary to fulfill the higher goal</p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><p>Continuing Education Approvals: <a href="https://moderntherapistcommunity.com/continuing-education/">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined</h2><h2>#TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Reproductive Mental Health, Intersectionality, and Systemic Barriers: An interview with Dr. Loree Johnson</title>
      <description>Reproductive Mental Health, Intersectionality, and Systemic Barriers: An
interview with Dr. Loree Johnson
Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Loree Johnson about the intersections of reproductive mental health, race, and systemic injustice. Dr. Johnson shared powerful insights about the shame, grief, and medical trauma that many clients face, especially Black women and other folks from
historically marginalized communities. We dive into how therapists can hold safer, more informed spaces for clients experiencing infertility and pregnancy loss, and how systemic racism and historical harm continue to shape reproductive healthcare today.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we talk about reproductive trauma, systemic barriers to care, and the need for cultural humility in therapy
We were honored to sit down with Dr. Loree Johnson, LMFT, PhD—an expert in reproductive mental health who brings both clinical expertise and lived experience to the conversation. We explore how therapists can better support clients navigating infertility, pregnancy loss, and trauma, especially clients from marginalized communities.
What do therapists often get wrong about reproductive mental health?
·    Avoiding the conversation about infertility and pregnancy loss because therapists feel undertrained or uncomfortable
·   Therapists overlook the impact of race, history, and oppression in reproductive trauma
·   Assuming fertility issues affect only straight, cisgender couples
·   Minimizing or misunderstanding the grief associated with pregnancy loss and infertility
What is the role of systemic racism and historical trauma for Black women
seeking reproductive care?
·    Mistrust of the medical system due to real, generational harm (e.g., J. Marion Sims, Henrietta Lacks, Tuskegee)
·    Myths of hyper-fertility in Black women and the erasure of infertility struggles in communities of color
·   Disenfranchised grief and cultural stigma around fertility challenges
·   Weathering: the cumulative impact of chronic stress and racism on physical and reproductive health
How can therapists show up better for clients who are experiencing
infertility and pregnancy loss?
·   Learn the terminology and processes around fertility treatments and pregnancy loss
·   Create space for conversations around sex, reproduction, and grief—even if it’s uncomfortable
·   Practice cultural humility and intimacy: be willing to be wrong, to sit with pain, and to build trust
·   Acknowledge your own limitations and biases while staying curious and committed to learning
·   Be prepared for these conversations—even if you don’t specialize in reproductive mental health

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined
#TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/43bc2068-1593-11f0-969f-6fff1c773df8/image/4d2a8f97bb0a0774171143b732f1ade5.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Reproductive Mental Health, Intersectionality, and Systemic Barriers: An
interview with Dr. Loree Johnson
Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Loree Johnson about the intersections of reproductive mental health, race, and systemic injustice. Dr. Johnson shared powerful insights about the shame, grief, and medical trauma that many clients face, especially Black women and other folks from
historically marginalized communities. We dive into how therapists can hold safer, more informed spaces for clients experiencing infertility and pregnancy loss, and how systemic racism and historical harm continue to shape reproductive healthcare today.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we talk about reproductive trauma, systemic barriers to care, and the need for cultural humility in therapy
We were honored to sit down with Dr. Loree Johnson, LMFT, PhD—an expert in reproductive mental health who brings both clinical expertise and lived experience to the conversation. We explore how therapists can better support clients navigating infertility, pregnancy loss, and trauma, especially clients from marginalized communities.
What do therapists often get wrong about reproductive mental health?
·    Avoiding the conversation about infertility and pregnancy loss because therapists feel undertrained or uncomfortable
·   Therapists overlook the impact of race, history, and oppression in reproductive trauma
·   Assuming fertility issues affect only straight, cisgender couples
·   Minimizing or misunderstanding the grief associated with pregnancy loss and infertility
What is the role of systemic racism and historical trauma for Black women
seeking reproductive care?
·    Mistrust of the medical system due to real, generational harm (e.g., J. Marion Sims, Henrietta Lacks, Tuskegee)
·    Myths of hyper-fertility in Black women and the erasure of infertility struggles in communities of color
·   Disenfranchised grief and cultural stigma around fertility challenges
·   Weathering: the cumulative impact of chronic stress and racism on physical and reproductive health
How can therapists show up better for clients who are experiencing
infertility and pregnancy loss?
·   Learn the terminology and processes around fertility treatments and pregnancy loss
·   Create space for conversations around sex, reproduction, and grief—even if it’s uncomfortable
·   Practice cultural humility and intimacy: be willing to be wrong, to sit with pain, and to build trust
·   Acknowledge your own limitations and biases while staying curious and committed to learning
·   Be prepared for these conversations—even if you don’t specialize in reproductive mental health

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined
#TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Reproductive Mental Health, Intersectionality, and Systemic Barriers: An</h1><h1>interview with Dr. Loree Johnson</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Loree Johnson about the intersections of reproductive mental health, race, and systemic injustice. Dr. Johnson shared powerful insights about the shame, grief, and medical trauma that many clients face, especially Black women and other folks from</p><p>historically marginalized communities. We dive into how therapists can hold safer, more informed spaces for clients experiencing infertility and pregnancy loss, and how systemic racism and historical harm continue to shape reproductive healthcare today.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p><br></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about reproductive trauma, systemic barriers to care, and the need for cultural humility in therapy</h2><p>We were honored to sit down with Dr. Loree Johnson, LMFT, PhD—an expert in reproductive mental health who brings both clinical expertise and lived experience to the conversation. We explore how therapists can better support clients navigating infertility, pregnancy loss, and trauma, especially clients from marginalized communities.</p><h3>What do therapists often get wrong about reproductive mental health?</h3><p>·    Avoiding the conversation about infertility and pregnancy loss because therapists feel undertrained or uncomfortable</p><p>·   Therapists overlook the impact of race, history, and oppression in reproductive trauma</p><p>·   Assuming fertility issues affect only straight, cisgender couples</p><p>·   Minimizing or misunderstanding the grief associated with pregnancy loss and infertility</p><h3>What is the role of systemic racism and historical trauma for Black women</h3><h3>seeking reproductive care?</h3><p>·    Mistrust of the medical system due to real, generational harm (e.g., J. Marion Sims, Henrietta Lacks, Tuskegee)</p><p>·    Myths of hyper-fertility in Black women and the erasure of infertility struggles in communities of color</p><p>·   Disenfranchised grief and cultural stigma around fertility challenges</p><p>·   Weathering: the cumulative impact of chronic stress and racism on physical and reproductive health</p><h3>How can therapists show up better for clients who are experiencing</h3><h3>infertility and pregnancy loss?</h3><p>·   Learn the terminology and processes around fertility treatments and pregnancy loss</p><p>·   Create space for conversations around sex, reproduction, and grief—even if it’s uncomfortable</p><p>·   Practice cultural humility and intimacy: be willing to be wrong, to sit with pain, and to build trust</p><p>·   Acknowledge your own limitations and biases while staying curious and committed to learning</p><p>·   Be prepared for these conversations—even if you don’t specialize in reproductive mental health</p><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined</h2><h2>#TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Therapists Need to Know to Support the Trans Community: An interview with Artie Hartsell</title>
      <description>What Therapists Need to Know to Support the Trans Community: An interview with
Artie Hartsell
Curt and Katie chat with Artie Hartsell from ACLU North Carolina about how current anti-trans policies are impacting the trans community. We explore the historical erasure of trans identities, the rise of anti-trans legislation, and the real-world impact on housing, medical care, and documentation. Artie also shares resources for legal aid, community support, and how therapists can show up for their trans clients.

Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we explore the real-life consequences of anti-trans policies
Curt and Katie sit down with Artie Hartsell, MSW, an advocate and organizer with the ACLU of North Carolina, to discuss how recent political changes are affecting the trans community. 
How are trans rights being threatened today?

Over 1,000 anti-trans bills and executive orders have been introduced in the U.S.

Passport and documentation delays create barriers for trans individuals.

Housing discrimination and increased risks for unhoused trans individuals.

Medical care restrictions limit access to gender-affirming treatment.

A rise in state and local laws emboldening discrimination against trans people.


What can therapists do to support trans clients?

Make their practice as welcoming as possible by being transparent about their knowledge and limitations.

Partner with local LGBTQ organizations to stay informed and provide accurate resources.

Be mindful of documentation practices to protect trans clients from potential harm.

Encourage trans clients to build strong communities and mutual aid networks.


Resources for Trans Individuals and Allies:

Legal Aid and Advocacy: ACLU, Lambda Legal, National Center for Lesbian Rights

Medical Resources: Campaign for Southern Equality, Gay and Lesbian Medical     Association (GLMA)

Community Support: PFLAG, local LGBTQ centers


How can allies and therapists take action to support the trans community?
·   Educate yourself on trans rights and the implications of recent laws. 
·   Provide direct support by connecting trans clients to legal and medical resources. 
·   Engage in advocacy through organizations like the ACLU and local LGBTQ groups.
·   Encourage trans individuals to document and preserve their community’s history.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/906596f0-0f18-11f0-97ac-fb9cda1651ca/image/0557784e525252f0e6c222b3151d0173.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Therapists Need to Know to Support the Trans Community: An interview with
Artie Hartsell
Curt and Katie chat with Artie Hartsell from ACLU North Carolina about how current anti-trans policies are impacting the trans community. We explore the historical erasure of trans identities, the rise of anti-trans legislation, and the real-world impact on housing, medical care, and documentation. Artie also shares resources for legal aid, community support, and how therapists can show up for their trans clients.

Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we explore the real-life consequences of anti-trans policies
Curt and Katie sit down with Artie Hartsell, MSW, an advocate and organizer with the ACLU of North Carolina, to discuss how recent political changes are affecting the trans community. 
How are trans rights being threatened today?

Over 1,000 anti-trans bills and executive orders have been introduced in the U.S.

Passport and documentation delays create barriers for trans individuals.

Housing discrimination and increased risks for unhoused trans individuals.

Medical care restrictions limit access to gender-affirming treatment.

A rise in state and local laws emboldening discrimination against trans people.


What can therapists do to support trans clients?

Make their practice as welcoming as possible by being transparent about their knowledge and limitations.

Partner with local LGBTQ organizations to stay informed and provide accurate resources.

Be mindful of documentation practices to protect trans clients from potential harm.

Encourage trans clients to build strong communities and mutual aid networks.


Resources for Trans Individuals and Allies:

Legal Aid and Advocacy: ACLU, Lambda Legal, National Center for Lesbian Rights

Medical Resources: Campaign for Southern Equality, Gay and Lesbian Medical     Association (GLMA)

Community Support: PFLAG, local LGBTQ centers


How can allies and therapists take action to support the trans community?
·   Educate yourself on trans rights and the implications of recent laws. 
·   Provide direct support by connecting trans clients to legal and medical resources. 
·   Engage in advocacy through organizations like the ACLU and local LGBTQ groups.
·   Encourage trans individuals to document and preserve their community’s history.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<h1>What Therapists Need to Know to Support the Trans Community: An interview with</h1><h1>Artie Hartsell</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat with Artie Hartsell from ACLU North Carolina about how current anti-trans policies are impacting the trans community. We explore the historical erasure of trans identities, the rise of anti-trans legislation, and the real-world impact on housing, medical care, and documentation. Artie also shares resources for legal aid, community support, and how therapists can show up for their trans clients.</p><p><br></p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p><br></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we explore the real-life consequences of anti-trans policies</h2><p>Curt and Katie sit down with Artie Hartsell, MSW, an advocate and organizer with the ACLU of North Carolina, to discuss how recent political changes are affecting the trans community. </p><h3>How are trans rights being threatened today?</h3><ul>
<li>Over 1,000 anti-trans bills and executive orders have been introduced in the U.S.</li>
<li>Passport and documentation delays create barriers for trans individuals.</li>
<li>Housing discrimination and increased risks for unhoused trans individuals.</li>
<li>Medical care restrictions limit access to gender-affirming treatment.</li>
<li>A rise in state and local laws emboldening discrimination against trans people.</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h3>What can therapists do to support trans clients?</h3><ul>
<li>Make their practice as welcoming as possible by being transparent about their knowledge and limitations.</li>
<li>Partner with local LGBTQ organizations to stay informed and provide accurate resources.</li>
<li>Be mindful of documentation practices to protect trans clients from potential harm.</li>
<li>Encourage trans clients to build strong communities and mutual aid networks.</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h3>Resources for Trans Individuals and Allies:</h3><ul>
<li>Legal Aid and Advocacy: ACLU, Lambda Legal, National Center for Lesbian Rights</li>
<li>Medical Resources: Campaign for Southern Equality, Gay and Lesbian Medical     Association (GLMA)</li>
<li>Community Support: PFLAG, local LGBTQ centers</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h3>How can allies and therapists take action to support the trans community?</h3><p>·   Educate yourself on trans rights and the implications of recent laws. </p><p>·   Provide direct support by connecting trans clients to legal and medical resources. </p><p>·   Engage in advocacy through organizations like the ACLU and local LGBTQ groups.</p><p>·   Encourage trans individuals to document and preserve their community’s history.</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Should Not Be Normalized in Our Profession?</title>
      <description>What Should Not Be Normalized in Our Profession?
Curt and Katie chat about a discussion that came up in the Modern Therapists Facebook group – What is something that you wish other therapists would stop pretending is normal. We explore the normalization of waiting until license renewal for CE, balancing accountability without chastising clients, and acknowledging countertransference in therapy. We also tackle the high costs of specialized training, the problems of treating children in isolation without family involvement, and the systemic issue of unpaid internships and low therapist wages.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode we explore frustrations modern therapists have with our profession
Curt and Katie dive into some of the things that therapists normalize that maybe they shouldn’t, gathered from discussions in the Modern Therapist Facebook Group. 
What are struggles that are normalized for therapists?
·      Waiting until right before license renewal to complete continuing education (CE)
·      Not figuring out the difference between holding clients accountable vs. chastising or bullying them
·     Failing to acknowledge countertransference and true emotions in therapy
·      The high costs of specialized training
·      Not recognizing the importance of family involvement in child therapy
·      The impact of unpaid internships and low wages for therapists
Is the therapy profession setting itself up for burnout and financial
struggle?
·      Many therapists procrastinate CE requirements, leading to unnecessary stress.
·      Holding clients accountable is important, but it shouldn't come at the cost of rapport or shame.
·      Denying countertransference is unrealistic — therapists have emotions too!
·      Expensive training creates barriers to specialization, limiting accessibility.
·      Therapists treating children without involving family may not be setting up the child for success.
·      Unpaid internships and low wages continue to undervalue therapists’ work, making financial stability difficult.
What can therapists do to improve their profession?
·      Plan CE credits early to avoid last-minute stress.
·      Frame accountability in a way that supports clients and aligns with their stated goals rather than chastises them.
·      Acknowledge emotions in therapy without making sessions about the therapist.
·      Seek out reasonably priced training options and advocate for more affordable education.
·      Encourage family involvement when working with children (when appropriate).
·      Push for industry-wide changes in pay and internship standards.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/0303811e-09d7-11f0-9e88-836e3e354b7b/image/6ede61dd8a9ae672576934cd7bf0e14e.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Should Not Be Normalized in Our Profession?
Curt and Katie chat about a discussion that came up in the Modern Therapists Facebook group – What is something that you wish other therapists would stop pretending is normal. We explore the normalization of waiting until license renewal for CE, balancing accountability without chastising clients, and acknowledging countertransference in therapy. We also tackle the high costs of specialized training, the problems of treating children in isolation without family involvement, and the systemic issue of unpaid internships and low therapist wages.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode we explore frustrations modern therapists have with our profession
Curt and Katie dive into some of the things that therapists normalize that maybe they shouldn’t, gathered from discussions in the Modern Therapist Facebook Group. 
What are struggles that are normalized for therapists?
·      Waiting until right before license renewal to complete continuing education (CE)
·      Not figuring out the difference between holding clients accountable vs. chastising or bullying them
·     Failing to acknowledge countertransference and true emotions in therapy
·      The high costs of specialized training
·      Not recognizing the importance of family involvement in child therapy
·      The impact of unpaid internships and low wages for therapists
Is the therapy profession setting itself up for burnout and financial
struggle?
·      Many therapists procrastinate CE requirements, leading to unnecessary stress.
·      Holding clients accountable is important, but it shouldn't come at the cost of rapport or shame.
·      Denying countertransference is unrealistic — therapists have emotions too!
·      Expensive training creates barriers to specialization, limiting accessibility.
·      Therapists treating children without involving family may not be setting up the child for success.
·      Unpaid internships and low wages continue to undervalue therapists’ work, making financial stability difficult.
What can therapists do to improve their profession?
·      Plan CE credits early to avoid last-minute stress.
·      Frame accountability in a way that supports clients and aligns with their stated goals rather than chastises them.
·      Acknowledge emotions in therapy without making sessions about the therapist.
·      Seek out reasonably priced training options and advocate for more affordable education.
·      Encourage family involvement when working with children (when appropriate).
·      Push for industry-wide changes in pay and internship standards.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<h1>What Should Not Be Normalized in Our Profession?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about a discussion that came up in the Modern Therapists Facebook group – What is something that you wish other therapists would stop pretending is normal. We explore the normalization of waiting until license renewal for CE, balancing accountability without chastising clients, and acknowledging countertransference in therapy. We also tackle the high costs of specialized training, the problems of treating children in isolation without family involvement, and the systemic issue of unpaid internships and low therapist wages.</p><p> <em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p><br></p><h2>In this podcast episode we explore frustrations modern therapists have with our profession</h2><p>Curt and Katie dive into some of the things that therapists normalize that maybe they shouldn’t, gathered from discussions in the Modern Therapist Facebook Group. </p><h3>What are struggles that are normalized for therapists?</h3><p>·      Waiting until right before license renewal to complete continuing education (CE)</p><p>·      Not figuring out the difference between holding clients accountable vs. chastising or bullying them</p><p>·     Failing to acknowledge countertransference and true emotions in therapy</p><p>·      The high costs of specialized training</p><p>·      Not recognizing the importance of family involvement in child therapy</p><p>·      The impact of unpaid internships and low wages for therapists</p><h3>Is the therapy profession setting itself up for burnout and financial</h3><h3>struggle?</h3><p>·      Many therapists procrastinate CE requirements, leading to unnecessary stress.</p><p>·      Holding clients accountable is important, but it shouldn't come at the cost of rapport or shame.</p><p>·      Denying countertransference is unrealistic — therapists have emotions too!</p><p>·      Expensive training creates barriers to specialization, limiting accessibility.</p><p>·      Therapists treating children without involving family may not be setting up the child for success.</p><p>·      Unpaid internships and low wages continue to undervalue therapists’ work, making financial stability difficult.</p><h3>What can therapists do to improve their profession?</h3><p>·      Plan CE credits early to avoid last-minute stress.</p><p>·      Frame accountability in a way that supports clients and aligns with their stated goals rather than chastises them.</p><p>·      Acknowledge emotions in therapy without making sessions about the therapist.</p><p>·      Seek out reasonably priced training options and advocate for more affordable education.</p><p>·      Encourage family involvement when working with children (when appropriate).</p><p>·      Push for industry-wide changes in pay and internship standards.</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How Can Therapists Accept (and Impact) Technology?: An interview with Dr. David Cooper</title>
      <description>How Can Therapists Accept (and Impact) Technology?: An interview with Dr.
David Cooper
Curt and Katie chat with Dr. David Cooper of Therapists in
Tech to explore the evolving role of artificial intelligence (AI) in therapy.
Dr. Cooper highlights the importance of tech literacy, privacy, and security in
digital mental health while advocating for therapists to use AI as a tool for
efficiency rather than replacement. He compares this shift to the transition
from paper charts to electronic health records (EHRs) and encourages therapists
to stay informed and engaged through communities like Therapists in Tech and
the Society for Digital Mental Health. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can engage with technology
At the Behavioral Tech Conference, Katie met Dr. David
Cooper of therapists in tech. We invited him on to help us understand better how
therapists can engage with technology safely and ethically. As AI continues to
integrate into mental health care, therapists must embrace innovation while
advocating for ethical, client-centered practices.
How can therapists engage with AI and digital health responsibly?

Use AI tools like ChatGPT for administrative efficiency and tech troubleshooting.

Advocate for digital health education in graduate training programs.

Seek guidance from digital health experts through groups like Therapists in Tech.

Implement technology for administrative tasks, such as automated reminders and billing.

Stay informed and connected with digital mental health advancements through professional communities.

Key Takeaways from this podcast interview with Dr. David Cooper of
Therapists in Tech

AI can enhance, not replace, therapy, improving efficiency in practice management.

Ethical considerations remain crucial, especially regarding privacy and data security.

Tech literacy is a necessary skill for all therapists as the field evolves.

Therapists should take an active role in digital health advocacy to maintain the human element in care.

Resources for Therapists Adapting to Digital Health:

Therapists in Tech – A community for professionals navigating digital mental health.

Society for Digital Mental Health – A resource hub for therapists exploring tech solutions.

Behavioral Health Tech Conference – A key event for learning and networking in digital health.

 
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined
#TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/46bac124-037e-11f0-b2f4-db7d176f833b/image/4234dd4960df1fb7919d2e4a28f34d8a.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Can Therapists Accept (and Impact) Technology?: An interview with Dr.
David Cooper
Curt and Katie chat with Dr. David Cooper of Therapists in
Tech to explore the evolving role of artificial intelligence (AI) in therapy.
Dr. Cooper highlights the importance of tech literacy, privacy, and security in
digital mental health while advocating for therapists to use AI as a tool for
efficiency rather than replacement. He compares this shift to the transition
from paper charts to electronic health records (EHRs) and encourages therapists
to stay informed and engaged through communities like Therapists in Tech and
the Society for Digital Mental Health. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can engage with technology
At the Behavioral Tech Conference, Katie met Dr. David
Cooper of therapists in tech. We invited him on to help us understand better how
therapists can engage with technology safely and ethically. As AI continues to
integrate into mental health care, therapists must embrace innovation while
advocating for ethical, client-centered practices.
How can therapists engage with AI and digital health responsibly?

Use AI tools like ChatGPT for administrative efficiency and tech troubleshooting.

Advocate for digital health education in graduate training programs.

Seek guidance from digital health experts through groups like Therapists in Tech.

Implement technology for administrative tasks, such as automated reminders and billing.

Stay informed and connected with digital mental health advancements through professional communities.

Key Takeaways from this podcast interview with Dr. David Cooper of
Therapists in Tech

AI can enhance, not replace, therapy, improving efficiency in practice management.

Ethical considerations remain crucial, especially regarding privacy and data security.

Tech literacy is a necessary skill for all therapists as the field evolves.

Therapists should take an active role in digital health advocacy to maintain the human element in care.

Resources for Therapists Adapting to Digital Health:

Therapists in Tech – A community for professionals navigating digital mental health.

Society for Digital Mental Health – A resource hub for therapists exploring tech solutions.

Behavioral Health Tech Conference – A key event for learning and networking in digital health.

 
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined
#TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How Can Therapists Accept (and Impact) Technology?: An interview with Dr.</h1><h1>David Cooper</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat with Dr. David Cooper of Therapists in</p><p>Tech to explore the evolving role of artificial intelligence (AI) in therapy.</p><p>Dr. Cooper highlights the importance of tech literacy, privacy, and security in</p><p>digital mental health while advocating for therapists to use AI as a tool for</p><p>efficiency rather than replacement. He compares this shift to the transition</p><p>from paper charts to electronic health records (EHRs) and encourages therapists</p><p>to stay informed and engaged through communities like Therapists in Tech and</p><p>the Society for Digital Mental Health. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can engage with technology</h2><p>At the Behavioral Tech Conference, Katie met Dr. David</p><p>Cooper of therapists in tech. We invited him on to help us understand better how</p><p>therapists can engage with technology safely and ethically. As AI continues to</p><p>integrate into mental health care, therapists must embrace innovation while</p><p>advocating for ethical, client-centered practices.</p><h3>How can therapists engage with AI and digital health responsibly?</h3><ul>
<li>Use AI tools like ChatGPT for administrative efficiency and tech troubleshooting.</li>
<li>Advocate for digital health education in graduate training programs.</li>
<li>Seek guidance from digital health experts through groups like Therapists in Tech.</li>
<li>Implement technology for administrative tasks, such as automated reminders and billing.</li>
<li>Stay informed and connected with digital mental health advancements through professional communities.</li>
</ul><h3>Key Takeaways from this podcast interview with Dr. David Cooper of</h3><h3>Therapists in Tech</h3><ul>
<li>AI can enhance, not replace, therapy, improving efficiency in practice management.</li>
<li>Ethical considerations remain crucial, especially regarding privacy and data security.</li>
<li>Tech literacy is a necessary skill for all therapists as the field evolves.</li>
<li>Therapists should take an active role in digital health advocacy to maintain the human element in care.</li>
</ul><h3>Resources for Therapists Adapting to Digital Health:</h3><ul>
<li>Therapists in Tech – A community for professionals navigating digital mental health.</li>
<li>Society for Digital Mental Health – A resource hub for therapists exploring tech solutions.</li>
<li>Behavioral Health Tech Conference – A key event for learning and networking in digital health.</li>
</ul><p> </p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined</h2><h2>#TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Reviewing a Disciplinary Case on Suicidality, Erotic Transference, and Between-Session Communication: How do therapists hold appropriate boundaries?</title>
      <description>Reviewing a Disciplinary Case on Suicidality, Erotic
Transference, and Between-Session Communication: How do therapists hold
appropriate boundaries?
Curt and Katie chat about a disciplinary case against Dr. Eric Bergeman,
highlighting key ethical concerns for therapists. They explore documentation
practices, therapist responsibilities, and boundary management, particularly in
cases involving suicidality and erotic transference. The conversation
underscores the importance of clear treatment planning, proper record-keeping,
and ethical decision-making to avoid legal and professional consequences. This
is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts
for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about suicidality,
erotic transference, between-session communication, and documentation 
Therapists are given conflicting advice on when their duties
to patients begin, how much they are expected to be available to clients
outside of sessions, how they are to approach between-session communications,
and how to document such communications. This episode explores a disciplinary
case where the California Board of Psychology investigated a therapist’s
responses to a client that filed a complaint about the therapist’s treatment.
What therapists need to know about ethical boundaries and disciplinary
actions:



The importance of proper documentation and clear treatment planning.

How to respond to client suicidality in real-time, including assessment and intervention.

Managing erotic transference with ethical boundaries and consultation.

The  role of Board of Psychology investigations in evaluating therapist conduct.

Key Takeaways from Dr. Bergeman’s Disciplinary Case:

The Board of Psychology found gross negligence due to poor documentation, inadequate diagnosis, and lack of clear therapeutic boundaries.

Dr. Bergeman failed to properly address the client’s suicidality and borderline personality disorder, leading to ethical concerns.

Consultation with another therapist revealed concerns about Bergeman’s treatment approach and lack of structured intervention.

The Board initially sought a fine of $103,000, later reducing it to $10,363, citing good intentions but significant professional oversights.


Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s
Survival Guide

Continuing Education Approvals:
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined
#TherapyMovement:
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Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/277a30c8-0023-11f0-a816-ebc638598a06/image/92e0369a632daefc1144b336a199d4d2.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Reviewing a Disciplinary Case on Suicidality, Erotic
Transference, and Between-Session Communication: How do therapists hold
appropriate boundaries?
Curt and Katie chat about a disciplinary case against Dr. Eric Bergeman,
highlighting key ethical concerns for therapists. They explore documentation
practices, therapist responsibilities, and boundary management, particularly in
cases involving suicidality and erotic transference. The conversation
underscores the importance of clear treatment planning, proper record-keeping,
and ethical decision-making to avoid legal and professional consequences. This
is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts
for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about suicidality,
erotic transference, between-session communication, and documentation 
Therapists are given conflicting advice on when their duties
to patients begin, how much they are expected to be available to clients
outside of sessions, how they are to approach between-session communications,
and how to document such communications. This episode explores a disciplinary
case where the California Board of Psychology investigated a therapist’s
responses to a client that filed a complaint about the therapist’s treatment.
What therapists need to know about ethical boundaries and disciplinary
actions:



The importance of proper documentation and clear treatment planning.

How to respond to client suicidality in real-time, including assessment and intervention.

Managing erotic transference with ethical boundaries and consultation.

The  role of Board of Psychology investigations in evaluating therapist conduct.

Key Takeaways from Dr. Bergeman’s Disciplinary Case:

The Board of Psychology found gross negligence due to poor documentation, inadequate diagnosis, and lack of clear therapeutic boundaries.

Dr. Bergeman failed to properly address the client’s suicidality and borderline personality disorder, leading to ethical concerns.

Consultation with another therapist revealed concerns about Bergeman’s treatment approach and lack of structured intervention.

The Board initially sought a fine of $103,000, later reducing it to $10,363, citing good intentions but significant professional oversights.


Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s
Survival Guide

Continuing Education Approvals:
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined
#TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Reviewing a Disciplinary Case on Suicidality, Erotic</h1><h1>Transference, and Between-Session Communication: How do therapists hold</h1><h1>appropriate boundaries?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about a disciplinary case against Dr. Eric Bergeman,</p><p>highlighting key ethical concerns for therapists. They explore documentation</p><p>practices, therapist responsibilities, and boundary management, particularly in</p><p>cases involving suicidality and erotic transference. The conversation</p><p>underscores the importance of clear treatment planning, proper record-keeping,</p><p>and ethical decision-making to avoid legal and professional consequences. This</p><p>is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts</em></p><p><em>for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about suicidality,</h2><h2>erotic transference, between-session communication, and documentation </h2><p>Therapists are given conflicting advice on when their duties</p><p>to patients begin, how much they are expected to be available to clients</p><p>outside of sessions, how they are to approach between-session communications,</p><p>and how to document such communications. This episode explores a disciplinary</p><p>case where the California Board of Psychology investigated a therapist’s</p><p>responses to a client that filed a complaint about the therapist’s treatment.</p><h3>What therapists need to know about ethical boundaries and disciplinary</h3><h3>actions:</h3><ul>
<li><br></li>
<li>The importance of proper documentation and clear treatment planning.</li>
<li>How to respond to client suicidality in real-time, including assessment and intervention.</li>
<li>Managing erotic transference with ethical boundaries and consultation.</li>
<li>The  role of Board of Psychology investigations in evaluating therapist conduct.</li>
</ul><h3>Key Takeaways from Dr. Bergeman’s Disciplinary Case:</h3><ul>
<li>The Board of Psychology found gross negligence due to poor documentation, inadequate diagnosis, and lack of clear therapeutic boundaries.</li>
<li>Dr. Bergeman failed to properly address the client’s suicidality and borderline personality disorder, leading to ethical concerns.</li>
<li>Consultation with another therapist revealed concerns about Bergeman’s treatment approach and lack of structured intervention.</li>
<li>The Board initially sought a fine of $103,000, later reducing it to $10,363, citing good intentions but significant professional oversights.</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s</h2><h2>Survival Guide</h2><p><br></p><h3>Continuing Education Approvals:</h3><p><a href="https://moderntherapistcommunity.com/continuing-education/">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined</h2><h2>#TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Therapists Need to Know About Immigration: An interview with Andy Strait</title>
      <description>What Therapists Need to Know About Immigration: An interview with Andy Strait
Curt and Katie chat with Andy R. Strait, Esq., about immigration policies, mental health, and the role of therapists in supporting immigrant clients. They explore legal challenges, asylum cases, and the impact of fear-driven policies on mental health. Strait emphasizes the importance of legal representation, knowing one’s immigration status, and providing accurate resources. Therapists can help by offering pro bono evaluations, connecting clients with legal aid, and creating safe spaces for immigrant communities.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about what therapists need to know about immigration
Immigration policies directly impact the mental health of both therapists and their clients. We asked Andy Strait, an immigration attorney and former public advocate, about the challenges immigrants face in the U.S. legal system, the role of therapists in supporting their clients, and practical steps therapists can take to provide assistance.
What do therapists need to know about immigration policies?

The lack of legal representation for immigrants and how this affects asylum outcomes.

How the culture of fear surrounding immigration policies affects mental health.

The importance of therapists providing accurate legal resources to clients.

The racial profiling and shifting demographic focus of ICE operations.

How therapists can help clients plan for potential deportation and protect their families.

How Therapists Can Support Clients Facing Immigration Challenges

Refer clients to legal experts by connecting with organizations like the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) and the Survivors of Torture Network.

Consider offering pro bono psychological evaluations for asylum cases, as expert testimony is often crucial.

Help clients understand their rights and the importance of legal documentation.

Provide safe spaces for immigrants to process their fears and mental health struggles.

Be mindful of misinformation and educate clients using accurate, vetted sources.

Understanding the Realities of the Immigration System

The asylum process is complex and overburdened, leaving many without proper representation.

There is no right to an attorney for immigrants, making legal aid essential.

Immigrants and their families need proactive strategies to prepare for potential enforcement actions.

Therapists can play a critical role in reducing the stigma around seeking legal and mental health support.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Therapists Need to Know About Immigration: An interview with Andy Strait</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/efcbc8e0-faef-11ef-86bf-3f62a78a76ed/image/d7de80607d5af2c6d187def908249677.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat with Andy R. Strait, Esq., about immigration policies, mental health, and the role of therapists in supporting immigrant clients. They explore legal challenges, asylum cases, and the impact of fear-driven policies on mental health. Strait emphasizes the importance of legal representation, knowing one’s immigration status, and providing accurate resources. Therapists can help by offering pro bono evaluations, connecting clients with legal aid, and creating safe spaces for immigrant communities.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Therapists Need to Know About Immigration: An interview with Andy Strait
Curt and Katie chat with Andy R. Strait, Esq., about immigration policies, mental health, and the role of therapists in supporting immigrant clients. They explore legal challenges, asylum cases, and the impact of fear-driven policies on mental health. Strait emphasizes the importance of legal representation, knowing one’s immigration status, and providing accurate resources. Therapists can help by offering pro bono evaluations, connecting clients with legal aid, and creating safe spaces for immigrant communities.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about what therapists need to know about immigration
Immigration policies directly impact the mental health of both therapists and their clients. We asked Andy Strait, an immigration attorney and former public advocate, about the challenges immigrants face in the U.S. legal system, the role of therapists in supporting their clients, and practical steps therapists can take to provide assistance.
What do therapists need to know about immigration policies?

The lack of legal representation for immigrants and how this affects asylum outcomes.

How the culture of fear surrounding immigration policies affects mental health.

The importance of therapists providing accurate legal resources to clients.

The racial profiling and shifting demographic focus of ICE operations.

How therapists can help clients plan for potential deportation and protect their families.

How Therapists Can Support Clients Facing Immigration Challenges

Refer clients to legal experts by connecting with organizations like the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) and the Survivors of Torture Network.

Consider offering pro bono psychological evaluations for asylum cases, as expert testimony is often crucial.

Help clients understand their rights and the importance of legal documentation.

Provide safe spaces for immigrants to process their fears and mental health struggles.

Be mindful of misinformation and educate clients using accurate, vetted sources.

Understanding the Realities of the Immigration System

The asylum process is complex and overburdened, leaving many without proper representation.

There is no right to an attorney for immigrants, making legal aid essential.

Immigrants and their families need proactive strategies to prepare for potential enforcement actions.

Therapists can play a critical role in reducing the stigma around seeking legal and mental health support.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<h1>What Therapists Need to Know About Immigration: An interview with Andy Strait</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat with Andy R. Strait, Esq., about immigration policies, mental health, and the role of therapists in supporting immigrant clients. They explore legal challenges, asylum cases, and the impact of fear-driven policies on mental health. Strait emphasizes the importance of legal representation, knowing one’s immigration status, and providing accurate resources. Therapists can help by offering pro bono evaluations, connecting clients with legal aid, and creating safe spaces for immigrant communities.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about what therapists need to know about immigration</h2><p>Immigration policies directly impact the mental health of both therapists and their clients. We asked Andy Strait, an immigration attorney and former public advocate, about the challenges immigrants face in the U.S. legal system, the role of therapists in supporting their clients, and practical steps therapists can take to provide assistance.</p><h3>What do therapists need to know about immigration policies?</h3><ul>
<li>The lack of legal representation for immigrants and how this affects asylum outcomes.</li>
<li>How the culture of fear surrounding immigration policies affects mental health.</li>
<li>The importance of therapists providing accurate legal resources to clients.</li>
<li>The racial profiling and shifting demographic focus of ICE operations.</li>
<li>How therapists can help clients plan for potential deportation and protect their families.</li>
</ul><h3>How Therapists Can Support Clients Facing Immigration Challenges</h3><ul>
<li>Refer clients to legal experts by connecting with organizations like the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) and the Survivors of Torture Network.</li>
<li>Consider offering pro bono psychological evaluations for asylum cases, as expert testimony is often crucial.</li>
<li>Help clients understand their rights and the importance of legal documentation.</li>
<li>Provide safe spaces for immigrants to process their fears and mental health struggles.</li>
<li>Be mindful of misinformation and educate clients using accurate, vetted sources.</li>
</ul><h3>Understanding the Realities of the Immigration System</h3><ul>
<li>The asylum process is complex and overburdened, leaving many without proper representation.</li>
<li>There is no right to an attorney for immigrants, making legal aid essential.</li>
<li>Immigrants and their families need proactive strategies to prepare for potential enforcement actions.</li>
<li>Therapists can play a critical role in reducing the stigma around seeking legal and mental health support.</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Reacting to Regime Change: How Therapists Can Advocate for our Clients and Communities</title>
      <description>Reacting to Regime Change: How Therapists Can Advocate for our Clients and Communities
Curt and Katie chat about how the United States has shifted since the inauguration of President Trump. We look at how therapists can advocate for their clients and the communities they serve and/or live in. We look at strategies for therapists to stay informed, provide vetted resources, and be present for clients who may be struggling with the changes.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the impact of political shifts on mental health care
With ongoing changes in healthcare policy, therapists must navigate how legislative decisions impact their clients and their own practice. In this episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy discuss the Trump administration’s influence on mental health care, the importance of accurate information and advocacy, and strategies for balancing personal well-being with professional responsibilities.
What do therapists need to know about political changes in healthcare?

The Trump administration’s policies and their impact on the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and Medicaid.

The role of therapists in ensuring clients receive accurate healthcare information.

How legislative decisions affect funding for mental health services.

Why advocacy and political awareness are essential for protecting mental health access.

The ethical considerations of discussing politics with clients while maintaining professional boundaries.

How Therapists Can Take Action to Protect Healthcare Access

Educate yourself and your clients on state-specific programs and available resources.

Provide information in your practice on how clients can contact their legislators.

Spend 15 minutes a day making calls to representatives to advocate for mental health care.

Encourage, but don’t pressure, clients to take action in ways that align with their own values.

Share neutral, fact-based sources to help clients stay informed without unnecessary anxiety.

The Emotional Toll of Advocacy and How to Manage It

Navigating personal feelings while supporting clients through political uncertainty.

Avoiding doom-scrolling and setting boundaries around media consumption.

Finding support within the therapist community to prevent burnout.

Understanding personal capacity and choosing advocacy efforts that are sustainable.

The Role of Therapists in Community Support

Helping clients feel empowered rather than helpless in the face of policy changes.

Creating space in sessions for conversations about uncertainty and anxiety related to healthcare access.

Challenging therapists to step outside their comfort zone and take meaningful action.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Reacting to Regime Change: How Therapists Can Advocate for our Clients and Communities</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/c33544b8-f87a-11ef-9c99-bbc0a43ca80d/image/325a7f867ff42500b14c00b637684af8.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how the United States has shifted since the inauguration of President Trump. We look at how therapists can advocate for their clients and the communities they serve and/or live in. We look at strategies for therapists to stay informed, provide vetted resources, and be present for clients who may be struggling with the changes. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Reacting to Regime Change: How Therapists Can Advocate for our Clients and Communities
Curt and Katie chat about how the United States has shifted since the inauguration of President Trump. We look at how therapists can advocate for their clients and the communities they serve and/or live in. We look at strategies for therapists to stay informed, provide vetted resources, and be present for clients who may be struggling with the changes.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the impact of political shifts on mental health care
With ongoing changes in healthcare policy, therapists must navigate how legislative decisions impact their clients and their own practice. In this episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy discuss the Trump administration’s influence on mental health care, the importance of accurate information and advocacy, and strategies for balancing personal well-being with professional responsibilities.
What do therapists need to know about political changes in healthcare?

The Trump administration’s policies and their impact on the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and Medicaid.

The role of therapists in ensuring clients receive accurate healthcare information.

How legislative decisions affect funding for mental health services.

Why advocacy and political awareness are essential for protecting mental health access.

The ethical considerations of discussing politics with clients while maintaining professional boundaries.

How Therapists Can Take Action to Protect Healthcare Access

Educate yourself and your clients on state-specific programs and available resources.

Provide information in your practice on how clients can contact their legislators.

Spend 15 minutes a day making calls to representatives to advocate for mental health care.

Encourage, but don’t pressure, clients to take action in ways that align with their own values.

Share neutral, fact-based sources to help clients stay informed without unnecessary anxiety.

The Emotional Toll of Advocacy and How to Manage It

Navigating personal feelings while supporting clients through political uncertainty.

Avoiding doom-scrolling and setting boundaries around media consumption.

Finding support within the therapist community to prevent burnout.

Understanding personal capacity and choosing advocacy efforts that are sustainable.

The Role of Therapists in Community Support

Helping clients feel empowered rather than helpless in the face of policy changes.

Creating space in sessions for conversations about uncertainty and anxiety related to healthcare access.

Challenging therapists to step outside their comfort zone and take meaningful action.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<h1>Reacting to Regime Change: How Therapists Can Advocate for our Clients and Communities</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about how the United States has shifted since the inauguration of President Trump. We look at how therapists can advocate for their clients and the communities they serve and/or live in. We look at strategies for therapists to stay informed, provide vetted resources, and be present for clients who may be struggling with the changes.</p><p> <em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about the impact of political shifts on mental health care</h2><p>With ongoing changes in healthcare policy, therapists must navigate how legislative decisions impact their clients and their own practice. In this episode, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy discuss the Trump administration’s influence on mental health care, the importance of accurate information and advocacy, and strategies for balancing personal well-being with professional responsibilities.</p><h3>What do therapists need to know about political changes in healthcare?</h3><ul>
<li>The Trump administration’s policies and their impact on the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and Medicaid.</li>
<li>The role of therapists in ensuring clients receive accurate healthcare information.</li>
<li>How legislative decisions affect funding for mental health services.</li>
<li>Why advocacy and political awareness are essential for protecting mental health access.</li>
<li>The ethical considerations of discussing politics with clients while maintaining professional boundaries.</li>
</ul><h3>How Therapists Can Take Action to Protect Healthcare Access</h3><ul>
<li>Educate yourself and your clients on state-specific programs and available resources.</li>
<li>Provide information in your practice on how clients can contact their legislators.</li>
<li>Spend 15 minutes a day making calls to representatives to advocate for mental health care.</li>
<li>Encourage, but don’t pressure, clients to take action in ways that align with their own values.</li>
<li>Share neutral, fact-based sources to help clients stay informed without unnecessary anxiety.</li>
</ul><h3>The Emotional Toll of Advocacy and How to Manage It</h3><ul>
<li>Navigating personal feelings while supporting clients through political uncertainty.</li>
<li>Avoiding doom-scrolling and setting boundaries around media consumption.</li>
<li>Finding support within the therapist community to prevent burnout.</li>
<li>Understanding personal capacity and choosing advocacy efforts that are sustainable.</li>
</ul><h3>The Role of Therapists in Community Support</h3><ul>
<li>Helping clients feel empowered rather than helpless in the face of policy changes.</li>
<li>Creating space in sessions for conversations about uncertainty and anxiety related to healthcare access.</li>
<li>Challenging therapists to step outside their comfort zone and take meaningful action.</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>When Your Client Dies By Suicide: An interview with Dr. Nina Gutin</title>
      <description>When Your Client Dies By Suicide: An interview with Dr. Nina Gutin
Curt and Katie chat with Nina J. Gutin, Ph.D. about to discuss the emotional, professional, and systemic impact of client suicide on clinicians. We break down the common reactions of guilt and blame, highlight the importance of postvention support, and explore strategies to navigate grief and maintain clinical confidence.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about the impact of client suicide on clinicians
Losing a client to suicide is a devastating and often isolating experience for mental health professionals. We asked suicide expert, Dr. Nina Gutin to join us to talk about how therapists can take care of themselves when they have a client die by suicide.
What do therapists need to know about client suicide and its impact on clinicians?

The stigma and self-blame clinicians often experience after losing a client.

The importance of using “died by suicide” instead of stigmatizing language.

Statistics on clinician loss: One in five mental health professionals—and up to one in two psychiatrists—will experience a client suicide.

The need for postvention protocols and structured support in mental health workplaces.

How reducing caseloads and fostering support networks can help mitigate the long-term professional impact.

Processing Guilt and Self-Blame After a Client Suicide

How hindsight bias can make clinicians feel responsible for a client’s death.

Shifting from guilt to remorse or regret as a healthier perspective.

The fear of legal repercussions and how to navigate it after a client suicide.

Best practices for reaching out to a client’s family with compassion and professionalism.

The Professional and Emotional Toll of Client Suicide on Therapists

How losing a client to suicide can shake a clinician’s confidence and clinical identity.

The importance of workplace support and structured postvention after a client death.

Why systemic change is necessary to ensure therapists receive the help they need.

Resources and Support for Clinicians

The Coalition of Clinician Survivors – A support network offering:

A listserv for peer support.

A bibliography of research and clinical resources.

Postvention protocols to guide clinicians and organizations.

Dr. Nina Gutin’s email – For clinicians seeking consultation (nguten@earthlink.net).

Breaking the Stigma and Advocating for Systemic Support

How the stigma around suicide impacts both clients and clinicians.

The need for better suicide prevention and postvention training in clinical programs.

How organizations can prepare for and respond to client suicides to support their clinicians effectively.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>When Your Client Dies By Suicide: An interview with Dr. Nina Gutin</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat with Nina J. Gutin, Ph.D. about to discuss the emotional, professional, and systemic impact of client suicide on clinicians. We break down the common reactions of guilt and blame, highlight the importance of postvention support, and explore strategies to navigate grief and maintain clinical confidence.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Your Client Dies By Suicide: An interview with Dr. Nina Gutin
Curt and Katie chat with Nina J. Gutin, Ph.D. about to discuss the emotional, professional, and systemic impact of client suicide on clinicians. We break down the common reactions of guilt and blame, highlight the importance of postvention support, and explore strategies to navigate grief and maintain clinical confidence.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about the impact of client suicide on clinicians
Losing a client to suicide is a devastating and often isolating experience for mental health professionals. We asked suicide expert, Dr. Nina Gutin to join us to talk about how therapists can take care of themselves when they have a client die by suicide.
What do therapists need to know about client suicide and its impact on clinicians?

The stigma and self-blame clinicians often experience after losing a client.

The importance of using “died by suicide” instead of stigmatizing language.

Statistics on clinician loss: One in five mental health professionals—and up to one in two psychiatrists—will experience a client suicide.

The need for postvention protocols and structured support in mental health workplaces.

How reducing caseloads and fostering support networks can help mitigate the long-term professional impact.

Processing Guilt and Self-Blame After a Client Suicide

How hindsight bias can make clinicians feel responsible for a client’s death.

Shifting from guilt to remorse or regret as a healthier perspective.

The fear of legal repercussions and how to navigate it after a client suicide.

Best practices for reaching out to a client’s family with compassion and professionalism.

The Professional and Emotional Toll of Client Suicide on Therapists

How losing a client to suicide can shake a clinician’s confidence and clinical identity.

The importance of workplace support and structured postvention after a client death.

Why systemic change is necessary to ensure therapists receive the help they need.

Resources and Support for Clinicians

The Coalition of Clinician Survivors – A support network offering:

A listserv for peer support.

A bibliography of research and clinical resources.

Postvention protocols to guide clinicians and organizations.

Dr. Nina Gutin’s email – For clinicians seeking consultation (nguten@earthlink.net).

Breaking the Stigma and Advocating for Systemic Support

How the stigma around suicide impacts both clients and clinicians.

The need for better suicide prevention and postvention training in clinical programs.

How organizations can prepare for and respond to client suicides to support their clinicians effectively.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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<li>The stigma and self-blame clinicians often experience after losing a client.</li>
<li>The importance of using “died by suicide” instead of stigmatizing language.</li>
<li>Statistics on clinician loss: One in five mental health professionals—and up to one in two psychiatrists—will experience a client suicide.</li>
<li>The need for postvention protocols and structured support in mental health workplaces.</li>
<li>How reducing caseloads and fostering support networks can help mitigate the long-term professional impact.</li>
</ul><h3>Processing Guilt and Self-Blame After a Client Suicide</h3><ul>
<li>How hindsight bias can make clinicians feel responsible for a client’s death.</li>
<li>Shifting from guilt to remorse or regret as a healthier perspective.</li>
<li>The fear of legal repercussions and how to navigate it after a client suicide.</li>
<li>Best practices for reaching out to a client’s family with compassion and professionalism.</li>
</ul><h3>The Professional and Emotional Toll of Client Suicide on Therapists</h3><ul>
<li>How losing a client to suicide can shake a clinician’s confidence and clinical identity.</li>
<li>The importance of workplace support and structured postvention after a client death.</li>
<li>Why systemic change is necessary to ensure therapists receive the help they need.</li>
</ul><h3>Resources and Support for Clinicians</h3><ul>
<li>The Coalition of Clinician Survivors – A support network offering:</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">A listserv for peer support.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">A bibliography of research and clinical resources.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">Postvention protocols to guide clinicians and organizations.</li>
<li>Dr. Nina Gutin’s email – For clinicians seeking consultation (nguten@earthlink.net).</li>
</ul><h3>Breaking the Stigma and Advocating for Systemic Support</h3><ul>
<li>How the stigma around suicide impacts both clients and clinicians.</li>
<li>The need for better suicide prevention and postvention training in clinical programs.</li>
<li>How organizations can prepare for and respond to client suicides to support their clinicians effectively.</li>
</ul><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Stop Wasting Your Time on Awareness Campaigns</title>
      <description>Stop Wasting Your Time on Awareness Campaigns
Curt and Katie chat about the limitations of performative awareness campaigns and the need for action-oriented advocacy. Inspired by the article Stop Raising Awareness Already by Ann Christiano and Annie Niemand, they critique viral campaigns like Kony 2012 and the CDC’s zombie apocalypse campaign, highlighting the importance of targeting the right audiences, crafting compelling messages, and developing a theory of change.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the limitations of awareness campaigns
Curt and Katie talk about what to do instead of focusing precious time, energy, and resources on advocacy that is solely about awareness. We look at what has worked in the past and how to implement that now.
Why Awareness Alone Isn’t Enough

Performative awareness (social media posts, profile filters) often doesn’t lead to real change.

Examples of failed awareness campaigns:

Kony 2012: Viral but lacked sustainable action.

CDC’s zombie apocalypse: Popular but ineffective at promoting emergency preparedness.

HPV vaccine campaign: Faced backlash due to misinterpretation of its message.

Some awareness efforts even create harmful counter-movements (e.g., “All Lives Matter” in response to BLM).

The Importance of Targeted Advocacy

Broad awareness campaigns often miss key decision-makers—advocacy should focus on specific audiences.

Examples of effective advocacy efforts:

Lobbying for minors' rights to amend therapy records.

Medicare reform efforts for mental health providers.

California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT) educating legislators about MFTs.

Developing a Theory of Change

Advocacy needs clear goals and strategic planning.

The story of Rosa Parks demonstrates effective timing and targeting in advocacy.

Successful campaigns require repetition, patience, and clear calls to action.

Practical Steps for Effective Advocacy:
·      Move beyond awareness—advocate for policy changes, funding, and direct action.
·      Target specific audiences (lawmakers, healthcare providers, educators).
·      Craft messages that resonate—ensure they lead to measurable change.
·      Develop a theory of change—plan advocacy efforts with long-term impact in mind.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Stop Wasting Your Time on Awareness Campaigns</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/acbf9a34-efac-11ef-9251-87882144f8d4/image/6e7dc78f4625b7dda38157103f677a08.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the limitations of performative awareness campaigns and the need for action-oriented advocacy. Inspired by the article Stop Raising Awareness Already by Ann Christiano and Annie Niemand, they critique viral campaigns like Kony 2012 and the CDC’s zombie apocalypse campaign, highlighting the importance of targeting the right audiences, crafting compelling messages, and developing a theory of change.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Stop Wasting Your Time on Awareness Campaigns
Curt and Katie chat about the limitations of performative awareness campaigns and the need for action-oriented advocacy. Inspired by the article Stop Raising Awareness Already by Ann Christiano and Annie Niemand, they critique viral campaigns like Kony 2012 and the CDC’s zombie apocalypse campaign, highlighting the importance of targeting the right audiences, crafting compelling messages, and developing a theory of change.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the limitations of awareness campaigns
Curt and Katie talk about what to do instead of focusing precious time, energy, and resources on advocacy that is solely about awareness. We look at what has worked in the past and how to implement that now.
Why Awareness Alone Isn’t Enough

Performative awareness (social media posts, profile filters) often doesn’t lead to real change.

Examples of failed awareness campaigns:

Kony 2012: Viral but lacked sustainable action.

CDC’s zombie apocalypse: Popular but ineffective at promoting emergency preparedness.

HPV vaccine campaign: Faced backlash due to misinterpretation of its message.

Some awareness efforts even create harmful counter-movements (e.g., “All Lives Matter” in response to BLM).

The Importance of Targeted Advocacy

Broad awareness campaigns often miss key decision-makers—advocacy should focus on specific audiences.

Examples of effective advocacy efforts:

Lobbying for minors' rights to amend therapy records.

Medicare reform efforts for mental health providers.

California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT) educating legislators about MFTs.

Developing a Theory of Change

Advocacy needs clear goals and strategic planning.

The story of Rosa Parks demonstrates effective timing and targeting in advocacy.

Successful campaigns require repetition, patience, and clear calls to action.

Practical Steps for Effective Advocacy:
·      Move beyond awareness—advocate for policy changes, funding, and direct action.
·      Target specific audiences (lawmakers, healthcare providers, educators).
·      Craft messages that resonate—ensure they lead to measurable change.
·      Develop a theory of change—plan advocacy efforts with long-term impact in mind.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Stop Wasting Your Time on Awareness Campaigns</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the limitations of performative awareness campaigns and the need for action-oriented advocacy. Inspired by the article Stop Raising Awareness Already by Ann Christiano and Annie Niemand, they critique viral campaigns like Kony 2012 and the CDC’s zombie apocalypse campaign, highlighting the importance of targeting the right audiences, crafting compelling messages, and developing a theory of change.</p><p> <em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about the limitations of awareness campaigns</h2><p>Curt and Katie talk about what to do instead of focusing precious time, energy, and resources on advocacy that is solely about awareness. We look at what has worked in the past and how to implement that now.</p><h3>Why Awareness Alone Isn’t Enough</h3><ul>
<li>Performative awareness (social media posts, profile filters) often doesn’t lead to real change.</li>
<li>Examples of failed awareness campaigns:</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">Kony 2012: Viral but lacked sustainable action.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">CDC’s zombie apocalypse: Popular but ineffective at promoting emergency preparedness.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">HPV vaccine campaign: Faced backlash due to misinterpretation of its message.</li>
<li>Some awareness efforts even create harmful counter-movements (e.g., “All Lives Matter” in response to BLM).</li>
</ul><h3>The Importance of Targeted Advocacy</h3><ul>
<li>Broad awareness campaigns often miss key decision-makers—advocacy should focus on specific audiences.</li>
<li>Examples of effective advocacy efforts:</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">Lobbying for minors' rights to amend therapy records.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">Medicare reform efforts for mental health providers.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT) educating legislators about MFTs.</li>
</ul><h3>Developing a Theory of Change</h3><ul>
<li>Advocacy needs clear goals and strategic planning.</li>
<li>The story of Rosa Parks demonstrates effective timing and targeting in advocacy.</li>
<li>Successful campaigns require repetition, patience, and clear calls to action.</li>
</ul><h3>Practical Steps for Effective Advocacy:</h3><p>·      Move beyond awareness—advocate for policy changes, funding, and direct action.</p><p>·      Target specific audiences (lawmakers, healthcare providers, educators).</p><p>·      Craft messages that resonate—ensure they lead to measurable change.</p><p>·      Develop a theory of change—plan advocacy efforts with long-term impact in mind.</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>MFTs Providing Therapy Across State Lines Through License Portability in the United States: An interview with Roger Smith</title>
      <description>MFTs Providing Therapy Across State Lines Through License Portability in the United States: An interview with Roger Smith
Curt and Katie chat with Roger Smith, Chief Advocacy Officer and General Counsel for American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, about the challenges and progress in licensure portability for Marriage and Family Therapists (MFTs). He explains why AAMFT opted for an endorsement model over interstate compacts, the success of the Access MFTs initiative, and what’s next for portability efforts in 2025.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Roger Smith about LMFT License Portability
As more and more therapy is happening online, therapists have an opportunity to work with clients from all over the world. In the United States, there have been efforts by social workers, mental health counselors, and psychologists to create inter-state compacts to help regulate these therapists (and provide opportunities to deliver care legally in other states). Marriage and Family Therapists have been left behind and are now seeking a different path (reciprocity or portability) due to the unique characteristics of the LMFT profession. We reached out to Roger Smith of AAMFT to help us understand why this decision was made as well as what it means for MFTs.
Why AAMFT Chose the Endorsement Model Over Compacts
·      Interstate compacts were considered but ultimately deemed too costly and unsustainable.
·      Large states like California and New York have not adopted ANY healthcare compacts, limiting effectiveness.
·      Endorsement model: Allows MFTs to practice in other states if they hold an unencumbered license—without having to meet initial requirements again.
Success of the "Access MFTs" Model
·      In 2024, 7 out of 10 targeted states passed the Access MFTs model law.
·      States that adopted the model include Arizona, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Tennessee, and Virginia.
·      Efforts continue in Kentucky and North Carolina for 2025.
Future of MFT Portability &amp; Barriers

California is not pursuing portability legislation but is working with CAMFT on national exam advocacy.

Exam requirements can be a barrier to full portability.

Expansion plans focus on pro-telehealth states and underserved regions.

Member Interest &amp; Cost Considerations for MFTs seeking to practice across state lines

A 2022 AAMFT survey showed strong member interest in portability, especially among younger therapists.

Costs are a factor—both the Access MFTs model and interstate compacts involve financial considerations for therapists.

National Licensure for therapists: Why It’s Not an Option

Licensure is a state-level issue, and federal intervention is unlikely.

A national exam or license would face constitutional challenges and resistance from state regulatory boards.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>MFTs Providing Therapy Across State Lines Through License Portability in the United States: An interview with Roger Smith</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/ec93c506-e80c-11ef-8137-0369b9c52d1e/image/ad033f9fe26f53af25bf60dcc52ad43b.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat with Roger Smith, Chief Advocacy Officer and General Counsel for American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, about the challenges and progress in licensure portability for Marriage and Family Therapists (MFTs). He explains why AAMFT opted for an endorsement model over interstate compacts, the success of the Access MFTs initiative, and what’s next for portability efforts in 2025.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>MFTs Providing Therapy Across State Lines Through License Portability in the United States: An interview with Roger Smith
Curt and Katie chat with Roger Smith, Chief Advocacy Officer and General Counsel for American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, about the challenges and progress in licensure portability for Marriage and Family Therapists (MFTs). He explains why AAMFT opted for an endorsement model over interstate compacts, the success of the Access MFTs initiative, and what’s next for portability efforts in 2025.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Roger Smith about LMFT License Portability
As more and more therapy is happening online, therapists have an opportunity to work with clients from all over the world. In the United States, there have been efforts by social workers, mental health counselors, and psychologists to create inter-state compacts to help regulate these therapists (and provide opportunities to deliver care legally in other states). Marriage and Family Therapists have been left behind and are now seeking a different path (reciprocity or portability) due to the unique characteristics of the LMFT profession. We reached out to Roger Smith of AAMFT to help us understand why this decision was made as well as what it means for MFTs.
Why AAMFT Chose the Endorsement Model Over Compacts
·      Interstate compacts were considered but ultimately deemed too costly and unsustainable.
·      Large states like California and New York have not adopted ANY healthcare compacts, limiting effectiveness.
·      Endorsement model: Allows MFTs to practice in other states if they hold an unencumbered license—without having to meet initial requirements again.
Success of the "Access MFTs" Model
·      In 2024, 7 out of 10 targeted states passed the Access MFTs model law.
·      States that adopted the model include Arizona, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Tennessee, and Virginia.
·      Efforts continue in Kentucky and North Carolina for 2025.
Future of MFT Portability &amp; Barriers

California is not pursuing portability legislation but is working with CAMFT on national exam advocacy.

Exam requirements can be a barrier to full portability.

Expansion plans focus on pro-telehealth states and underserved regions.

Member Interest &amp; Cost Considerations for MFTs seeking to practice across state lines

A 2022 AAMFT survey showed strong member interest in portability, especially among younger therapists.

Costs are a factor—both the Access MFTs model and interstate compacts involve financial considerations for therapists.

National Licensure for therapists: Why It’s Not an Option

Licensure is a state-level issue, and federal intervention is unlikely.

A national exam or license would face constitutional challenges and resistance from state regulatory boards.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>MFTs Providing Therapy Across State Lines Through License Portability in the United States: An interview with Roger Smith</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat with Roger Smith, Chief Advocacy Officer and General Counsel for American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, about the challenges and progress in licensure portability for Marriage and Family Therapists (MFTs). He explains why AAMFT opted for an endorsement model over interstate compacts, the success of the Access MFTs initiative, and what’s next for portability efforts in 2025.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk with Roger Smith about LMFT License Portability</h2><p>As more and more therapy is happening online, therapists have an opportunity to work with clients from all over the world. In the United States, there have been efforts by social workers, mental health counselors, and psychologists to create inter-state compacts to help regulate these therapists (and provide opportunities to deliver care legally in other states). Marriage and Family Therapists have been left behind and are now seeking a different path (reciprocity or portability) due to the unique characteristics of the LMFT profession. We reached out to Roger Smith of AAMFT to help us understand why this decision was made as well as what it means for MFTs.</p><h3>Why AAMFT Chose the Endorsement Model Over Compacts</h3><p>·      Interstate compacts were considered but ultimately deemed too costly and unsustainable.</p><p>·      Large states like California and New York have not adopted ANY healthcare compacts, limiting effectiveness.</p><p>·      Endorsement model: Allows MFTs to practice in other states if they hold an unencumbered license—without having to meet initial requirements again.</p><h3>Success of the "Access MFTs" Model</h3><p>·      In 2024, 7 out of 10 targeted states passed the Access MFTs model law.</p><p>·      States that adopted the model include Arizona, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Tennessee, and Virginia.</p><p>·      Efforts continue in Kentucky and North Carolina for 2025.</p><h3>Future of MFT Portability &amp; Barriers</h3><ul>
<li>California is not pursuing portability legislation but is working with CAMFT on national exam advocacy.</li>
<li>Exam requirements can be a barrier to full portability.</li>
<li>Expansion plans focus on pro-telehealth states and underserved regions.</li>
</ul><h3>Member Interest &amp; Cost Considerations for MFTs seeking to practice across state lines</h3><ul>
<li>A 2022 AAMFT survey showed strong member interest in portability, especially among younger therapists.</li>
<li>Costs are a factor—both the Access MFTs model and interstate compacts involve financial considerations for therapists.</li>
</ul><h3>National Licensure for therapists: Why It’s Not an Option</h3><ul>
<li>Licensure is a state-level issue, and federal intervention is unlikely.</li>
<li>A national exam or license would face constitutional challenges and resistance from state regulatory boards.</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>The Advances in Artificial Intelligence for Mental Health: An interview with Dr. Alyssa Dietz</title>
      <description>The Advances in Artificial Intelligence for Mental Health: An interview with Dr. Alyssa Dietz
Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Alyssa Dietz, a clinical psychologist and digital mental health expert, about the evolving role of AI in therapy. Dr. Dietz discusses how AI can enhance therapy by delivering evidence-based care, particularly in structured approaches like CBT, while acknowledging its limitations with complex, multi-diagnosis cases. She emphasizes the need for collaboration between therapists and AI developers to ensure ethical, patient-centered innovation in digital mental health.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Dr. Alyssa Dietz about Advances in AI for Therapy
Artificial Intelligence has already come for mental healthcare. The question is, what should therapists be doing about it? We dig into what AI therapy looks like from the inside, from a clinician’s perspective.
AI’s Growing Role in Therapy

AI can enhance therapy but won’t replace human therapists soon.

AI is particularly effective in skills-based therapies like CBT.

AI currently struggles with complex diagnoses and comorbidities.

The most active users of digital mental health tools are 50-60 years old, surprising many industry experts.

How AI is Changing the Therapist’s Role

AI can automate administrative tasks and support therapists in data-driven decision-making.

Although tech and insurance folks say we can use AI to work at the "top of our license," this approach could lead to therapist burnout.

Clinicians should work alongside AI developers to ensure ethical, patient-centered care.

AI’s judgment and decision-making remain limited, requiring human oversight.

Evaluating AI’s Effectiveness &amp; Ethical Considerations

The tension between innovation, regulation, and evaluation in AI-driven therapy.

Importance of clear safety protocols and escalation (emergency) measures for client care.

AI must be rigorously tested for safety and effectiveness.

Understanding how AI products are trained and evaluated is critical for therapists before incorporating these clinical tools into your practice.

AI and Complex Diagnoses

Current AI models struggle to address comorbidities effectively.

Need for personalization and context-driven interventions.

Future AI tools must move beyond a one-size-fits-all approach.

How Therapists Can Adapt to AI in Mental Health

Educate yourself on AI’s capabilities and limitations.

Stay informed through online courses, conferences, and tech-focused therapist groups.

Engage with organizations like the Digital Medicine Society to understand responsible AI use.

Connect with the "Therapists in Tech" Slack group to network with others in the space.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Advances in Artificial Intelligence for Mental Health: An interview with Dr. Alyssa Dietz</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Alyssa Dietz, a clinical psychologist and digital mental health expert, about the evolving role of AI in therapy. Dr. Dietz discusses how AI can enhance therapy by delivering evidence-based care, particularly in structured approaches like CBT, while acknowledging its limitations with complex, multi-diagnosis cases. She emphasizes the need for collaboration between therapists and AI developers to ensure ethical, patient-centered innovation in digital mental health.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Advances in Artificial Intelligence for Mental Health: An interview with Dr. Alyssa Dietz
Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Alyssa Dietz, a clinical psychologist and digital mental health expert, about the evolving role of AI in therapy. Dr. Dietz discusses how AI can enhance therapy by delivering evidence-based care, particularly in structured approaches like CBT, while acknowledging its limitations with complex, multi-diagnosis cases. She emphasizes the need for collaboration between therapists and AI developers to ensure ethical, patient-centered innovation in digital mental health.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Dr. Alyssa Dietz about Advances in AI for Therapy
Artificial Intelligence has already come for mental healthcare. The question is, what should therapists be doing about it? We dig into what AI therapy looks like from the inside, from a clinician’s perspective.
AI’s Growing Role in Therapy

AI can enhance therapy but won’t replace human therapists soon.

AI is particularly effective in skills-based therapies like CBT.

AI currently struggles with complex diagnoses and comorbidities.

The most active users of digital mental health tools are 50-60 years old, surprising many industry experts.

How AI is Changing the Therapist’s Role

AI can automate administrative tasks and support therapists in data-driven decision-making.

Although tech and insurance folks say we can use AI to work at the "top of our license," this approach could lead to therapist burnout.

Clinicians should work alongside AI developers to ensure ethical, patient-centered care.

AI’s judgment and decision-making remain limited, requiring human oversight.

Evaluating AI’s Effectiveness &amp; Ethical Considerations

The tension between innovation, regulation, and evaluation in AI-driven therapy.

Importance of clear safety protocols and escalation (emergency) measures for client care.

AI must be rigorously tested for safety and effectiveness.

Understanding how AI products are trained and evaluated is critical for therapists before incorporating these clinical tools into your practice.

AI and Complex Diagnoses

Current AI models struggle to address comorbidities effectively.

Need for personalization and context-driven interventions.

Future AI tools must move beyond a one-size-fits-all approach.

How Therapists Can Adapt to AI in Mental Health

Educate yourself on AI’s capabilities and limitations.

Stay informed through online courses, conferences, and tech-focused therapist groups.

Engage with organizations like the Digital Medicine Society to understand responsible AI use.

Connect with the "Therapists in Tech" Slack group to network with others in the space.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>The Advances in Artificial Intelligence for Mental Health: An interview with Dr. Alyssa Dietz</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat with Dr. Alyssa Dietz, a clinical psychologist and digital mental health expert, about the evolving role of AI in therapy. Dr. Dietz discusses how AI can enhance therapy by delivering evidence-based care, particularly in structured approaches like CBT, while acknowledging its limitations with complex, multi-diagnosis cases. She emphasizes the need for collaboration between therapists and AI developers to ensure ethical, patient-centered innovation in digital mental health.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk with Dr. Alyssa Dietz about Advances in AI for Therapy</h2><p>Artificial Intelligence has already come for mental healthcare. The question is, what should therapists be doing about it? We dig into what AI therapy looks like from the inside, from a clinician’s perspective.</p><h3>AI’s Growing Role in Therapy</h3><ul>
<li>AI can enhance therapy but won’t replace human therapists soon.</li>
<li>AI is particularly effective in skills-based therapies like CBT.</li>
<li>AI currently struggles with complex diagnoses and comorbidities.</li>
<li>The most active users of digital mental health tools are 50-60 years old, surprising many industry experts.</li>
</ul><h3>How AI is Changing the Therapist’s Role</h3><ul>
<li>AI can automate administrative tasks and support therapists in data-driven decision-making.</li>
<li>Although tech and insurance folks say we can use AI to work at the "top of our license," this approach could lead to therapist burnout.</li>
<li>Clinicians should work alongside AI developers to ensure ethical, patient-centered care.</li>
<li>AI’s judgment and decision-making remain limited, requiring human oversight.</li>
</ul><h3>Evaluating AI’s Effectiveness &amp; Ethical Considerations</h3><ul>
<li>The tension between innovation, regulation, and evaluation in AI-driven therapy.</li>
<li>Importance of clear safety protocols and escalation (emergency) measures for client care.</li>
<li>AI must be rigorously tested for safety and effectiveness.</li>
<li>Understanding how AI products are trained and evaluated is critical for therapists before incorporating these clinical tools into your practice.</li>
</ul><h3>AI and Complex Diagnoses</h3><ul>
<li>Current AI models struggle to address comorbidities effectively.</li>
<li>Need for personalization and context-driven interventions.</li>
<li>Future AI tools must move beyond a one-size-fits-all approach.</li>
</ul><h3>How Therapists Can Adapt to AI in Mental Health</h3><ul>
<li>Educate yourself on AI’s capabilities and limitations.</li>
<li>Stay informed through online courses, conferences, and tech-focused therapist groups.</li>
<li>Engage with organizations like the Digital Medicine Society to understand responsible AI use.</li>
<li>Connect with the "Therapists in Tech" Slack group to network with others in the space.</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Exploring Systemic Trauma and Relational Privilege with BIPOC and LGBTQI Couples: An interview with Akilah Riley-Richardson, MSW, CCTP</title>
      <description>Exploring Systemic Trauma and Relational Privilege with BIPOC and LGBTQI Couples: An interview with Akilah Riley-Richardson
Curt and Katie chat with Akilah Riley Richardson, MSW about the challenges therapists face when working with BIPOC and LGBTQI couples. Akilah discusses the impact of systemic trauma, how it affects relationships, and the importance of creating therapeutic models tailored to marginalized communities. She introduces The PRIDE Model for therapy and The BIOME Stance for therapists, offering actionable strategies for inclusive, trauma-informed care.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Akilah Riley-Richardson about what therapists get wrong when working with BIPOC and LGBTQI couples
Too often, couples counselors take traditional models and make slight tweaks for couples from marginalized backgrounds, with little success. Akilah Riley-Richardson has developed a stance and a new model to help support therapists in doing more effective work with these couples.  
Understanding Systemic Trauma in Therapy


Defining systemic trauma: Chronic, unpredictable, and disenfranchised trauma caused by systemic forces (education, legal, and healthcare systems).


Examples of systemic trauma: Microaggressions, mispronounced names, assumptions about authority roles, and misgendering.


Effects on individuals and relationships: Reduced sense of safety, rejection sensitivity, emotional disconnect, and difficulty setting boundaries.

Challenges in Therapy with BIPOC and LGBTQI Couples

Common therapist mistakes:

Ignoring systemic realities and the impact of privilege.

Adapting existing models without acknowledging their white, cishet origins.

Failing to create trauma-informed, inclusive frameworks.

Importance of relational privilege: Self-acceptance, social acceptance, and feeling protected in relationships.

The PRIDE Model &amp; The BIOME Stance from Akilah Riley-Richardson

PRIDE Model for Therapy:


Relational curiosity: Actively exploring the client's lived experiences.


Setting intentions: Creating space for safety and vulnerability.


Trauma work: Addressing systemic trauma's long-term impact on relationships.

BIOME Stance for Therapists:


Bravery: Facing discomfort in recognizing privilege.


Intimacy: Fostering deep emotional connections.


Openness: Being receptive to client experiences.


Micro-liberatory movements: Small but impactful actions toward social justice.


Epistemic embracing: Validating client knowledge and lived experiences.

How Therapists Can Engage Clients in Systemic Trauma Work


Transparency in therapy: Clearly communicating the goal of liberation.


Allowing resistance: Accepting client pushback as an assertion of power.


Embracing uncertainty: Being comfortable with not having all the answers.


Participating in decolonization conversations: Learning through community engagement and allyship.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Exploring Systemic Trauma and Relational Privilege with BIPOC and LGBTQI Couples: An interview with Akilah Riley-Richardson. MSW, CCTP</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/d88aebf2-df56-11ef-a3df-3b239c362bb8/image/f3cc497da96ea7fcb49d55299d845fe7.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat with Akilah Riley Richardson, MSW about the challenges therapists face when working with BIPOC and LGBTQI couples. Akilah discusses the impact of systemic trauma, how it affects relationships, and the importance of creating therapeutic models tailored to marginalized communities. She introduces The PRIDE Model for therapy and The BIOME Stance for therapists, offering actionable strategies for inclusive, trauma-informed care.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Exploring Systemic Trauma and Relational Privilege with BIPOC and LGBTQI Couples: An interview with Akilah Riley-Richardson
Curt and Katie chat with Akilah Riley Richardson, MSW about the challenges therapists face when working with BIPOC and LGBTQI couples. Akilah discusses the impact of systemic trauma, how it affects relationships, and the importance of creating therapeutic models tailored to marginalized communities. She introduces The PRIDE Model for therapy and The BIOME Stance for therapists, offering actionable strategies for inclusive, trauma-informed care.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Akilah Riley-Richardson about what therapists get wrong when working with BIPOC and LGBTQI couples
Too often, couples counselors take traditional models and make slight tweaks for couples from marginalized backgrounds, with little success. Akilah Riley-Richardson has developed a stance and a new model to help support therapists in doing more effective work with these couples.  
Understanding Systemic Trauma in Therapy


Defining systemic trauma: Chronic, unpredictable, and disenfranchised trauma caused by systemic forces (education, legal, and healthcare systems).


Examples of systemic trauma: Microaggressions, mispronounced names, assumptions about authority roles, and misgendering.


Effects on individuals and relationships: Reduced sense of safety, rejection sensitivity, emotional disconnect, and difficulty setting boundaries.

Challenges in Therapy with BIPOC and LGBTQI Couples

Common therapist mistakes:

Ignoring systemic realities and the impact of privilege.

Adapting existing models without acknowledging their white, cishet origins.

Failing to create trauma-informed, inclusive frameworks.

Importance of relational privilege: Self-acceptance, social acceptance, and feeling protected in relationships.

The PRIDE Model &amp; The BIOME Stance from Akilah Riley-Richardson

PRIDE Model for Therapy:


Relational curiosity: Actively exploring the client's lived experiences.


Setting intentions: Creating space for safety and vulnerability.


Trauma work: Addressing systemic trauma's long-term impact on relationships.

BIOME Stance for Therapists:


Bravery: Facing discomfort in recognizing privilege.


Intimacy: Fostering deep emotional connections.


Openness: Being receptive to client experiences.


Micro-liberatory movements: Small but impactful actions toward social justice.


Epistemic embracing: Validating client knowledge and lived experiences.

How Therapists Can Engage Clients in Systemic Trauma Work


Transparency in therapy: Clearly communicating the goal of liberation.


Allowing resistance: Accepting client pushback as an assertion of power.


Embracing uncertainty: Being comfortable with not having all the answers.


Participating in decolonization conversations: Learning through community engagement and allyship.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Exploring Systemic Trauma and Relational Privilege with BIPOC and LGBTQI Couples: An interview with Akilah Riley-Richardson</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat with Akilah Riley Richardson, MSW about the challenges therapists face when working with BIPOC and LGBTQI couples. Akilah discusses the impact of <strong>systemic trauma</strong>, how it affects relationships, and the importance of creating therapeutic models tailored to marginalized communities. She introduces <strong>The PRIDE Model</strong> for therapy and <strong>The BIOME Stance</strong> for therapists, offering actionable strategies for inclusive, trauma-informed care.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk with Akilah Riley-Richardson about what therapists get wrong when working with BIPOC and LGBTQI couples</h2><p>Too often, couples counselors take traditional models and make slight tweaks for couples from marginalized backgrounds, with little success. Akilah Riley-Richardson has developed a stance and a new model to help support therapists in doing more effective work with these couples.  </p><h3>Understanding Systemic Trauma in Therapy</h3><ul>
<li>
<strong>Defining systemic trauma</strong>: Chronic, unpredictable, and disenfranchised trauma caused by systemic forces (education, legal, and healthcare systems).</li>
<li>
<strong>Examples of systemic trauma</strong>: Microaggressions, mispronounced names, assumptions about authority roles, and misgendering.</li>
<li>
<strong>Effects on individuals and relationships</strong>: Reduced sense of safety, rejection sensitivity, emotional disconnect, and difficulty setting boundaries.</li>
</ul><h3>Challenges in Therapy with BIPOC and LGBTQI Couples</h3><ul>
<li>Common therapist mistakes:</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">Ignoring systemic realities and the impact of privilege.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">Adapting existing models without acknowledging their white, cishet origins.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">Failing to create trauma-informed, inclusive frameworks.</li>
<li>Importance of <strong>relational privilege</strong>: Self-acceptance, social acceptance, and feeling protected in relationships.</li>
</ul><h3>The PRIDE Model &amp; The BIOME Stance from Akilah Riley-Richardson</h3><ul>
<li><strong>PRIDE Model for Therapy:</strong></li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">
<strong>Relational curiosity</strong>: Actively exploring the client's lived experiences.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">
<strong>Setting intentions</strong>: Creating space for safety and vulnerability.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">
<strong>Trauma work</strong>: Addressing systemic trauma's long-term impact on relationships.</li>
<li><strong>BIOME Stance for Therapists:</strong></li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">
<strong>Bravery</strong>: Facing discomfort in recognizing privilege.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">
<strong>Intimacy</strong>: Fostering deep emotional connections.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">
<strong>Openness</strong>: Being receptive to client experiences.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">
<strong>Micro-liberatory movements</strong>: Small but impactful actions toward social justice.</li>
<li class="ql-indent-1">
<strong>Epistemic embracing</strong>: Validating client knowledge and lived experiences.</li>
</ul><h3>How Therapists Can Engage Clients in Systemic Trauma Work</h3><ul>
<li>
<strong>Transparency in therapy</strong>: Clearly communicating the goal of liberation.</li>
<li>
<strong>Allowing resistance</strong>: Accepting client pushback as an assertion of power.</li>
<li>
<strong>Embracing uncertainty</strong>: Being comfortable with not having all the answers.</li>
<li>
<strong>Participating in decolonization conversations</strong>: Learning through community engagement and allyship.</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>How Therapists Can Truly Help After a Disaster</title>
      <description>How Therapists Can Truly Help After a Disaster
Curt and Katie chat about the impact of the recent Los Angeles wild fires on therapists, their clients, and communities. We explore the importance of self-assessment, responsible crisis response, and balancing personal care with providing support. From donating (and marketing) services ethically to understanding trauma timelines, Curt and Katie provide practical advice for therapists navigating community-wide disasters.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk through how therapists can help during and after crises
Curt and Katie live in Los Angeles, which was recently ravaged by wild fires. We decided it would be important to reflect on our experience and provide support to other therapists seeking ways they may be able to help their own communities.
Self-Assessment and Prioritizing Personal Care during a Natural Disaster or Community Crisis

Therapists are encouraged to assess their capacity to provide support, ensuring they do not overextend themselves during a crisis.

Curt emphasizes radical acceptance and forgiveness for cancellations or temporary service disruptions caused by disasters.

Katie highlights the importance of therapists taking care of themselves before offering services, noting the potential for long-term impacts on both providers and clients.

How to Market Therapy during a crisis without feeling like an ambulance chaser

Curt and Katie stress the importance of donating services ethically, avoiding lead generation tactics or branding during a crisis.

They discuss reviewing scheduled marketing campaigns to ensure sensitivity to the current situation.

Therapists are encouraged to work with established organizations (like the Red Cross) to maximize the impact of their efforts.

Curt and Katie discuss the risks of using disasters to build personal brands and stress focusing solely on service and support.

They suggest volunteering with experienced organizations to avoid complications and maximize resources for those in need.

Recognizing Individual Needs and Trauma Timelines for disaster survivors

Not all clients experience or process trauma in the same way; therapists must tailor their support to individual needs and stages of impact.

Curt shares insights from his experience supporting clients after the Boston Marathon bombing, emphasizing the importance of addressing varying levels of trauma severity.

Katie highlights the need for long-term care systems to address ongoing trauma responses.

How Therapists can balance Caretaking and Personal Needs during a disaster

Curt shares his experience of being overwhelmed by personal messages and work demands during the crisis.

Katie emphasizes the importance of setting boundaries and giving oneself permission to focus on personal care.

Therapists are reminded that they are part of the crisis too and should ensure they meet their own needs before taking on the caretaker role.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How Therapists Can Truly Help After a Disaster</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the impact of the recent Los Angeles wild fires on therapists, their clients, and communities. We explore the importance of self-assessment, responsible crisis response, and balancing personal care with providing support. From donating (and marketing) services ethically to understanding trauma timelines, Curt and Katie provide practical advice for therapists navigating community-wide disasters.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Therapists Can Truly Help After a Disaster
Curt and Katie chat about the impact of the recent Los Angeles wild fires on therapists, their clients, and communities. We explore the importance of self-assessment, responsible crisis response, and balancing personal care with providing support. From donating (and marketing) services ethically to understanding trauma timelines, Curt and Katie provide practical advice for therapists navigating community-wide disasters.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk through how therapists can help during and after crises
Curt and Katie live in Los Angeles, which was recently ravaged by wild fires. We decided it would be important to reflect on our experience and provide support to other therapists seeking ways they may be able to help their own communities.
Self-Assessment and Prioritizing Personal Care during a Natural Disaster or Community Crisis

Therapists are encouraged to assess their capacity to provide support, ensuring they do not overextend themselves during a crisis.

Curt emphasizes radical acceptance and forgiveness for cancellations or temporary service disruptions caused by disasters.

Katie highlights the importance of therapists taking care of themselves before offering services, noting the potential for long-term impacts on both providers and clients.

How to Market Therapy during a crisis without feeling like an ambulance chaser

Curt and Katie stress the importance of donating services ethically, avoiding lead generation tactics or branding during a crisis.

They discuss reviewing scheduled marketing campaigns to ensure sensitivity to the current situation.

Therapists are encouraged to work with established organizations (like the Red Cross) to maximize the impact of their efforts.

Curt and Katie discuss the risks of using disasters to build personal brands and stress focusing solely on service and support.

They suggest volunteering with experienced organizations to avoid complications and maximize resources for those in need.

Recognizing Individual Needs and Trauma Timelines for disaster survivors

Not all clients experience or process trauma in the same way; therapists must tailor their support to individual needs and stages of impact.

Curt shares insights from his experience supporting clients after the Boston Marathon bombing, emphasizing the importance of addressing varying levels of trauma severity.

Katie highlights the need for long-term care systems to address ongoing trauma responses.

How Therapists can balance Caretaking and Personal Needs during a disaster

Curt shares his experience of being overwhelmed by personal messages and work demands during the crisis.

Katie emphasizes the importance of setting boundaries and giving oneself permission to focus on personal care.

Therapists are reminded that they are part of the crisis too and should ensure they meet their own needs before taking on the caretaker role.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How Therapists Can Truly Help After a Disaster</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the impact of the recent Los Angeles wild fires on therapists, their clients, and communities. We explore the importance of self-assessment, responsible crisis response, and balancing personal care with providing support. From donating (and marketing) services ethically to understanding trauma timelines, Curt and Katie provide practical advice for therapists navigating community-wide disasters.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk through how therapists can help during and after crises</h2><p>Curt and Katie live in Los Angeles, which was recently ravaged by wild fires. We decided it would be important to reflect on our experience and provide support to other therapists seeking ways they may be able to help their own communities.</p><h3>Self-Assessment and Prioritizing Personal Care during a Natural Disaster or Community Crisis</h3><ul>
<li>Therapists are encouraged to assess their capacity to provide support, ensuring they do not overextend themselves during a crisis.</li>
<li>Curt emphasizes radical acceptance and forgiveness for cancellations or temporary service disruptions caused by disasters.</li>
<li>Katie highlights the importance of therapists taking care of themselves before offering services, noting the potential for long-term impacts on both providers and clients.</li>
</ul><h3>How to Market Therapy during a crisis without feeling like an ambulance chaser</h3><ul>
<li>Curt and Katie stress the importance of donating services ethically, avoiding lead generation tactics or branding during a crisis.</li>
<li>They discuss reviewing scheduled marketing campaigns to ensure sensitivity to the current situation.</li>
<li>Therapists are encouraged to work with established organizations (like the Red Cross) to maximize the impact of their efforts.</li>
<li>Curt and Katie discuss the risks of using disasters to build personal brands and stress focusing solely on service and support.</li>
<li>They suggest volunteering with experienced organizations to avoid complications and maximize resources for those in need.</li>
</ul><h3>Recognizing Individual Needs and Trauma Timelines for disaster survivors</h3><ul>
<li>Not all clients experience or process trauma in the same way; therapists must tailor their support to individual needs and stages of impact.</li>
<li>Curt shares insights from his experience supporting clients after the Boston Marathon bombing, emphasizing the importance of addressing varying levels of trauma severity.</li>
<li>Katie highlights the need for long-term care systems to address ongoing trauma responses.</li>
</ul><h3>How Therapists can balance Caretaking and Personal Needs during a disaster</h3><ul>
<li>Curt shares his experience of being overwhelmed by personal messages and work demands during the crisis.</li>
<li>Katie emphasizes the importance of setting boundaries and giving oneself permission to focus on personal care.</li>
<li>Therapists are reminded that they are part of the crisis too and should ensure they meet their own needs before taking on the caretaker role.</li>
</ul><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Helping Parents Become What They Needed as a Child: An interview with Bryana Kappadakunnel, LMFT</title>
      <description>Helping Parents Become What They Needed as a Child: An interview with Bryana Kappadakunnel, LMFT
Curt and Katie chat with Bryana Kappakunnel, LMFT about conscious parenting, discussing how self-awareness, emotional regulation, and healing personal triggers can help parents foster healthier and more connected relationships with their children. With a background in infant and early childhood mental health and her upcoming book Parent Yourself First, Bryana offers valuable insights for therapists and parents alike.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Bryana Kappadakunnel about Conscious Parenting
We invited friend of the show, Bryana Kappadakunnel, LMFT to talk about her work, including her new book, Parent Yourself First.  
What is Conscious Parenting?

Conscious parenting goes beyond positive parenting by prioritizing self-awareness, personal healing, and understanding the root causes of emotional triggers.

Bryana explains how addressing parents’ unresolved issues can create a healthier environment for children, often alleviating behavioral challenges.

She highlights the importance of building authentic connections with children and fostering emotional safety through open communication and modeling accountability.

Common Pushback and Misconceptions for Conscious Parenting

Bryana addresses resistance from parents who view traditional parenting as the norm or feel threatened by relational approaches.

She clarifies that conscious parenting is not permissive but a balanced, authoritative style that combines high warmth, nurturance, structure, and boundaries.

Bryana emphasizes the need to manage stress and prevent burnout by helping parents regulate their own emotions before addressing their children’s behavior.

How to Help Parents Navigate Challenging Parenting Scenarios

When parents feel disrespected by their children, Bryana advises focusing on their own emotional reactions and understanding the child’s behavior as a form of communication.

She stresses the importance of setting consistent boundaries while staying attuned to the child’s perspective.

Bryana shares her own practice of apologizing to her children when she makes mistakes, modeling accountability and respect in the parent-child relationship.

How Conscious Parenting Helps Kids

During the pandemic, Bryana shifted her focus to working with parents directly, leading to significant improvements in family dynamics in shorter timeframes.

Her work underscores the importance of addressing systemic and relational patterns within families rather than focusing solely on child behavior.

Bryana highlights the benefits of her approach, including better communication, a deeper sense of connection, and raising compassionate, empathetic, and confident children.

Bryana’s Online Presence and Upcoming Book

Bryana creates content tailored to the needs of parents and her clients, sharing bite-sized videos that inspire reflection and change.

Bryana talks about her decisions on what to post as a licensed therapist with a big following on social media platforms

She discusses her book, Parent Yourself First, which helps parents heal their own wounds to raise resilient and empathetic children.

The book focuses on empowering parents to become the caregivers they wished they had, fostering healthier and more connected family systems.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Helping Parents Become What They Needed as a Child: An interview with Bryana Kappadakunnel, LMFT</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat with Bryana Kappakunnel, LMFT about conscious parenting, discussing how self-awareness, emotional regulation, and healing personal triggers can help parents foster healthier and more connected relationships with their children. With a background in infant and early childhood mental health and her upcoming book Parent Yourself First, Bryana offers valuable insights for therapists and parents alike.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Helping Parents Become What They Needed as a Child: An interview with Bryana Kappadakunnel, LMFT
Curt and Katie chat with Bryana Kappakunnel, LMFT about conscious parenting, discussing how self-awareness, emotional regulation, and healing personal triggers can help parents foster healthier and more connected relationships with their children. With a background in infant and early childhood mental health and her upcoming book Parent Yourself First, Bryana offers valuable insights for therapists and parents alike.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Bryana Kappadakunnel about Conscious Parenting
We invited friend of the show, Bryana Kappadakunnel, LMFT to talk about her work, including her new book, Parent Yourself First.  
What is Conscious Parenting?

Conscious parenting goes beyond positive parenting by prioritizing self-awareness, personal healing, and understanding the root causes of emotional triggers.

Bryana explains how addressing parents’ unresolved issues can create a healthier environment for children, often alleviating behavioral challenges.

She highlights the importance of building authentic connections with children and fostering emotional safety through open communication and modeling accountability.

Common Pushback and Misconceptions for Conscious Parenting

Bryana addresses resistance from parents who view traditional parenting as the norm or feel threatened by relational approaches.

She clarifies that conscious parenting is not permissive but a balanced, authoritative style that combines high warmth, nurturance, structure, and boundaries.

Bryana emphasizes the need to manage stress and prevent burnout by helping parents regulate their own emotions before addressing their children’s behavior.

How to Help Parents Navigate Challenging Parenting Scenarios

When parents feel disrespected by their children, Bryana advises focusing on their own emotional reactions and understanding the child’s behavior as a form of communication.

She stresses the importance of setting consistent boundaries while staying attuned to the child’s perspective.

Bryana shares her own practice of apologizing to her children when she makes mistakes, modeling accountability and respect in the parent-child relationship.

How Conscious Parenting Helps Kids

During the pandemic, Bryana shifted her focus to working with parents directly, leading to significant improvements in family dynamics in shorter timeframes.

Her work underscores the importance of addressing systemic and relational patterns within families rather than focusing solely on child behavior.

Bryana highlights the benefits of her approach, including better communication, a deeper sense of connection, and raising compassionate, empathetic, and confident children.

Bryana’s Online Presence and Upcoming Book

Bryana creates content tailored to the needs of parents and her clients, sharing bite-sized videos that inspire reflection and change.

Bryana talks about her decisions on what to post as a licensed therapist with a big following on social media platforms

She discusses her book, Parent Yourself First, which helps parents heal their own wounds to raise resilient and empathetic children.

The book focuses on empowering parents to become the caregivers they wished they had, fostering healthier and more connected family systems.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<h1>Helping Parents Become What They Needed as a Child: An interview with Bryana Kappadakunnel, LMFT</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat with Bryana Kappakunnel, LMFT about conscious parenting, discussing how self-awareness, emotional regulation, and healing personal triggers can help parents foster healthier and more connected relationships with their children. With a background in infant and early childhood mental health and her upcoming book <em>Parent Yourself First</em>, Bryana offers valuable insights for therapists and parents alike.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk with Bryana Kappadakunnel about Conscious Parenting</h2><p>We invited friend of the show, Bryana Kappadakunnel, LMFT to talk about her work, including her new book, Parent Yourself First.  </p><h3>What is Conscious Parenting?</h3><ul>
<li>Conscious parenting goes beyond positive parenting by prioritizing self-awareness, personal healing, and understanding the root causes of emotional triggers.</li>
<li>Bryana explains how addressing parents’ unresolved issues can create a healthier environment for children, often alleviating behavioral challenges.</li>
<li>She highlights the importance of building authentic connections with children and fostering emotional safety through open communication and modeling accountability.</li>
</ul><h3>Common Pushback and Misconceptions for Conscious Parenting</h3><ul>
<li>Bryana addresses resistance from parents who view traditional parenting as the norm or feel threatened by relational approaches.</li>
<li>She clarifies that conscious parenting is not permissive but a balanced, authoritative style that combines high warmth, nurturance, structure, and boundaries.</li>
<li>Bryana emphasizes the need to manage stress and prevent burnout by helping parents regulate their own emotions before addressing their children’s behavior.</li>
</ul><h3>How to Help Parents Navigate Challenging Parenting Scenarios</h3><ul>
<li>When parents feel disrespected by their children, Bryana advises focusing on their own emotional reactions and understanding the child’s behavior as a form of communication.</li>
<li>She stresses the importance of setting consistent boundaries while staying attuned to the child’s perspective.</li>
<li>Bryana shares her own practice of apologizing to her children when she makes mistakes, modeling accountability and respect in the parent-child relationship.</li>
</ul><h3>How Conscious Parenting Helps Kids</h3><ul>
<li>During the pandemic, Bryana shifted her focus to working with parents directly, leading to significant improvements in family dynamics in shorter timeframes.</li>
<li>Her work underscores the importance of addressing systemic and relational patterns within families rather than focusing solely on child behavior.</li>
<li>Bryana highlights the benefits of her approach, including better communication, a deeper sense of connection, and raising compassionate, empathetic, and confident children.</li>
</ul><h3>Bryana’s Online Presence and Upcoming Book</h3><ul>
<li>Bryana creates content tailored to the needs of parents and her clients, sharing bite-sized videos that inspire reflection and change.</li>
<li>Bryana talks about her decisions on what to post as a licensed therapist with a big following on social media platforms</li>
<li>She discusses her book, <em>Parent Yourself First</em>, which helps parents heal their own wounds to raise resilient and empathetic children.</li>
<li>The book focuses on empowering parents to become the caregivers they wished they had, fostering healthier and more connected family systems.</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Identifying the Graduate Program for the Career You Want – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Eden Lathem</title>
      <description>Identifying the Graduate Program for the Career You Want – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Eden Lathem
In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our final interview is with Eden Lathem, a second-year Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) student at Lipscomb University in Nashville, Tennessee. Eden shares her path from working in prison education and with individuals with disabilities to finding her passion for systemic thinking and family therapy. She candidly discusses the challenges of grad school, balancing internships, and navigating financial constraints while exploring her future career aspirations. She also talks through how she did due diligence to find the “right” graduate program.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we meet Eden Lathem, an aspiring therapist
We continue our new series on becoming a therapist, with Eden Lathem, who is a first career professional who has done a lot of due diligence and strategic thinking to plan her trajectory as a therapist and professional.  
Eden’s Background and Path to Therapy

Eden shares how her experiences in prison education and working with individuals with disabilities shaped her desire to support families and underserved populations.

Initially hesitant about becoming a therapist, Eden found her passion for MFT through her commitment to systemic thinking and helping others.

She highlights the unique role of MFT in addressing the needs of families with disabled members, a demographic often overlooked.

Grad School Expectations vs. Reality

Eden discusses her experience in an in-person, cohort-style program that meets weekly.

She was surprised by the program’s emphasis on self-awareness and the “self of the therapist” work, which has become a significant focus.

While expecting more hands-on training, she found the program leaned heavily on didactic learning with limited opportunities for shadowing and hands-on therapy practice.

Balancing Dual Internships and Financial Challenges

Eden balances two internships: a paid position at a family therapy center and an unpaid internship, navigating the complexities of these experiences.

She shares the financial struggles of grad school, reflecting on the challenges of unpaid internships and the economic realities of the helping professions.

Eden highlights the need for strategic financial planning and managing responsibilities while pursuing a meaningful career.

Advice for Prospective Therapy Students

Eden encourages prospective students to thoroughly research programs by talking to professors and alumni.

She stresses the importance of aligning program values with personal goals and considering the broader implications of the chosen education.

Her advice emphasizes due diligence in selecting a program that supports future career aspirations.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Identifying the Graduate Program for the Career You Want – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Eden Lathem</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/88d0e69c-d39a-11ef-864f-7b138a04b55e/image/f3aa8a43487890c39511eceb0425b9f8.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our final interview is with Eden Lathem, a second-year Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) student at Lipscomb University in Nashville, Tennessee. Eden shares her path from working in prison education and with individuals with disabilities to finding her passion for systemic thinking and family therapy. She candidly discusses the challenges of grad school, balancing internships, and navigating financial constraints while exploring her future career aspirations. She also talks through how she did due diligence to find the “right” graduate program.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Identifying the Graduate Program for the Career You Want – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Eden Lathem
In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our final interview is with Eden Lathem, a second-year Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) student at Lipscomb University in Nashville, Tennessee. Eden shares her path from working in prison education and with individuals with disabilities to finding her passion for systemic thinking and family therapy. She candidly discusses the challenges of grad school, balancing internships, and navigating financial constraints while exploring her future career aspirations. She also talks through how she did due diligence to find the “right” graduate program.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we meet Eden Lathem, an aspiring therapist
We continue our new series on becoming a therapist, with Eden Lathem, who is a first career professional who has done a lot of due diligence and strategic thinking to plan her trajectory as a therapist and professional.  
Eden’s Background and Path to Therapy

Eden shares how her experiences in prison education and working with individuals with disabilities shaped her desire to support families and underserved populations.

Initially hesitant about becoming a therapist, Eden found her passion for MFT through her commitment to systemic thinking and helping others.

She highlights the unique role of MFT in addressing the needs of families with disabled members, a demographic often overlooked.

Grad School Expectations vs. Reality

Eden discusses her experience in an in-person, cohort-style program that meets weekly.

She was surprised by the program’s emphasis on self-awareness and the “self of the therapist” work, which has become a significant focus.

While expecting more hands-on training, she found the program leaned heavily on didactic learning with limited opportunities for shadowing and hands-on therapy practice.

Balancing Dual Internships and Financial Challenges

Eden balances two internships: a paid position at a family therapy center and an unpaid internship, navigating the complexities of these experiences.

She shares the financial struggles of grad school, reflecting on the challenges of unpaid internships and the economic realities of the helping professions.

Eden highlights the need for strategic financial planning and managing responsibilities while pursuing a meaningful career.

Advice for Prospective Therapy Students

Eden encourages prospective students to thoroughly research programs by talking to professors and alumni.

She stresses the importance of aligning program values with personal goals and considering the broader implications of the chosen education.

Her advice emphasizes due diligence in selecting a program that supports future career aspirations.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Identifying the Graduate Program for the Career You Want – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Eden Lathem</h1><p>In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our final interview is with Eden Lathem, a second-year Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) student at Lipscomb University in Nashville, Tennessee. Eden shares her path from working in prison education and with individuals with disabilities to finding her passion for systemic thinking and family therapy. She candidly discusses the challenges of grad school, balancing internships, and navigating financial constraints while exploring her future career aspirations. She also talks through how she did due diligence to find the “right” graduate program.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we meet Eden Lathem, an aspiring therapist</h2><p>We continue our new series on becoming a therapist, with Eden Lathem, who is a first career professional who has done a lot of due diligence and strategic thinking to plan her trajectory as a therapist and professional.  </p><h3>Eden’s Background and Path to Therapy</h3><ul>
<li>Eden shares how her experiences in prison education and working with individuals with disabilities shaped her desire to support families and underserved populations.</li>
<li>Initially hesitant about becoming a therapist, Eden found her passion for MFT through her commitment to systemic thinking and helping others.</li>
<li>She highlights the unique role of MFT in addressing the needs of families with disabled members, a demographic often overlooked.</li>
</ul><h3>Grad School Expectations vs. Reality</h3><ul>
<li>Eden discusses her experience in an in-person, cohort-style program that meets weekly.</li>
<li>She was surprised by the program’s emphasis on self-awareness and the “self of the therapist” work, which has become a significant focus.</li>
<li>While expecting more hands-on training, she found the program leaned heavily on didactic learning with limited opportunities for shadowing and hands-on therapy practice.</li>
</ul><h3>Balancing Dual Internships and Financial Challenges</h3><ul>
<li>Eden balances two internships: a paid position at a family therapy center and an unpaid internship, navigating the complexities of these experiences.</li>
<li>She shares the financial struggles of grad school, reflecting on the challenges of unpaid internships and the economic realities of the helping professions.</li>
<li>Eden highlights the need for strategic financial planning and managing responsibilities while pursuing a meaningful career.</li>
</ul><h3>Advice for Prospective Therapy Students</h3><ul>
<li>Eden encourages prospective students to thoroughly research programs by talking to professors and alumni.</li>
<li>She stresses the importance of aligning program values with personal goals and considering the broader implications of the chosen education.</li>
<li>Her advice emphasizes due diligence in selecting a program that supports future career aspirations.</li>
</ul><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Becoming a Therapist as a First Generation Immigrant – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Marvin Vasquez</title>
      <description>Becoming a Therapist as a First Generation Immigrant – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Marvin Vasquez
In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our third interview is with Marvin Vasquez, a first-year Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) student at California State University, Northridge (CSUN), which is an all in-person program. Marvin shares his journey into therapy, shaped by his immigrant background and personal struggles, as well as his passion for serving underserved communities. He opens up about the unexpected sense of community within his cohort, the financial challenges of grad school, and his concerns about the future of therapy in an increasingly technological world.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we meet Marvin Vasquez, an aspiring therapist
We continue our new series on becoming a therapist, with Marvin Vasquez.  
Marvin’s Background and Motivation for Becoming a Therapist

Marvin reflects on his upbringing in a large immigrant family and how his experiences inspired his desire to help others.

He explains how his personal struggles and a passion for underserved communities led him to pursue a career in therapy.

His goal is to use his background and understanding to make therapy more accessible and impactful for marginalized groups.

The First Semester of his MFT Program: Expectations vs. Reality

Marvin discusses his expectations of a theory-heavy and clinical program, contrasting it with the surprising sense of community within his cohort.

He highlights the supportive environment, where vulnerability and shared resilience among students foster personal and professional growth.

Marvin appreciates the program’s emphasis on creating a safe space for learning and self-awareness.

Community and Support in an In-Person Therapy Grad School

Marvin contrasts his undergrad experience, which lacked connection, with his current program's close-knit and empathetic cohort.

The program’s in-person setup has created a unique intensity and camaraderie among students, helping Marvin grow as both a person and a therapist.

He emphasizes the importance of authenticity and vulnerability in building strong connections within the cohort.

Navigating Family Dynamics and Self-Awareness

Marvin shares how the program has deepened his empathy for his parents, particularly their struggles as first-generation immigrants.

He reflects on how their survival strategies shaped his upbringing and his understanding of family dynamics.

The program has helped Marvin foster greater authenticity and emotional awareness in both his personal and professional life.

Balancing Academics, Work, and Relationships during his MFT Masters Program

Marvin explains the challenges of balancing his academic workload, job responsibilities, and personal relationships.

He discusses the financial stress of grad school, including student loans, and the sacrifices involved in pursuing his degree.

Marvin acknowledges the importance of maintaining connections with friends and family to avoid burnout and maintain a healthy work-life balance.

Financial Concerns and Career Aspirations as an MFT

Marvin shares his worries about student debt and the economic realities of being a therapist.

He expresses gratitude for his supportive employer, who provides flexibility to balance work and school.

Marvin is exploring career options, including the importance of finding fieldwork opportunities that align with his values and schedule.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <itunes:title>Becoming a Therapist as a First Generation Immigrant – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Marvin Vasquez</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our third interview is with Marvin Vasquez, a first-year Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) student at California State University, Northridge (CSUN), which is an all in-person program. Marvin shares his journey into therapy, shaped by his immigrant background and personal struggles, as well as his passion for serving underserved communities. He opens up about the unexpected sense of community within his cohort, the financial challenges of grad school, and his concerns about the future of therapy in an increasingly technological world.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Becoming a Therapist as a First Generation Immigrant – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Marvin Vasquez
In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our third interview is with Marvin Vasquez, a first-year Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) student at California State University, Northridge (CSUN), which is an all in-person program. Marvin shares his journey into therapy, shaped by his immigrant background and personal struggles, as well as his passion for serving underserved communities. He opens up about the unexpected sense of community within his cohort, the financial challenges of grad school, and his concerns about the future of therapy in an increasingly technological world.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we meet Marvin Vasquez, an aspiring therapist
We continue our new series on becoming a therapist, with Marvin Vasquez.  
Marvin’s Background and Motivation for Becoming a Therapist

Marvin reflects on his upbringing in a large immigrant family and how his experiences inspired his desire to help others.

He explains how his personal struggles and a passion for underserved communities led him to pursue a career in therapy.

His goal is to use his background and understanding to make therapy more accessible and impactful for marginalized groups.

The First Semester of his MFT Program: Expectations vs. Reality

Marvin discusses his expectations of a theory-heavy and clinical program, contrasting it with the surprising sense of community within his cohort.

He highlights the supportive environment, where vulnerability and shared resilience among students foster personal and professional growth.

Marvin appreciates the program’s emphasis on creating a safe space for learning and self-awareness.

Community and Support in an In-Person Therapy Grad School

Marvin contrasts his undergrad experience, which lacked connection, with his current program's close-knit and empathetic cohort.

The program’s in-person setup has created a unique intensity and camaraderie among students, helping Marvin grow as both a person and a therapist.

He emphasizes the importance of authenticity and vulnerability in building strong connections within the cohort.

Navigating Family Dynamics and Self-Awareness

Marvin shares how the program has deepened his empathy for his parents, particularly their struggles as first-generation immigrants.

He reflects on how their survival strategies shaped his upbringing and his understanding of family dynamics.

The program has helped Marvin foster greater authenticity and emotional awareness in both his personal and professional life.

Balancing Academics, Work, and Relationships during his MFT Masters Program

Marvin explains the challenges of balancing his academic workload, job responsibilities, and personal relationships.

He discusses the financial stress of grad school, including student loans, and the sacrifices involved in pursuing his degree.

Marvin acknowledges the importance of maintaining connections with friends and family to avoid burnout and maintain a healthy work-life balance.

Financial Concerns and Career Aspirations as an MFT

Marvin shares his worries about student debt and the economic realities of being a therapist.

He expresses gratitude for his supportive employer, who provides flexibility to balance work and school.

Marvin is exploring career options, including the importance of finding fieldwork opportunities that align with his values and schedule.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Becoming a Therapist as a First Generation Immigrant – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Marvin Vasquez</h1><p>In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our third interview is with Marvin Vasquez, a first-year Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) student at California State University, Northridge (CSUN), which is an all in-person program. Marvin shares his journey into therapy, shaped by his immigrant background and personal struggles, as well as his passion for serving underserved communities. He opens up about the unexpected sense of community within his cohort, the financial challenges of grad school, and his concerns about the future of therapy in an increasingly technological world.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we meet Marvin Vasquez, an aspiring therapist</h2><p>We continue our new series on becoming a therapist, with Marvin Vasquez.  </p><h3>Marvin’s Background and Motivation for Becoming a Therapist</h3><ul>
<li>Marvin reflects on his upbringing in a large immigrant family and how his experiences inspired his desire to help others.</li>
<li>He explains how his personal struggles and a passion for underserved communities led him to pursue a career in therapy.</li>
<li>His goal is to use his background and understanding to make therapy more accessible and impactful for marginalized groups.</li>
</ul><h3>The First Semester of his MFT Program: Expectations vs. Reality</h3><ul>
<li>Marvin discusses his expectations of a theory-heavy and clinical program, contrasting it with the surprising sense of community within his cohort.</li>
<li>He highlights the supportive environment, where vulnerability and shared resilience among students foster personal and professional growth.</li>
<li>Marvin appreciates the program’s emphasis on creating a safe space for learning and self-awareness.</li>
</ul><h3>Community and Support in an In-Person Therapy Grad School</h3><ul>
<li>Marvin contrasts his undergrad experience, which lacked connection, with his current program's close-knit and empathetic cohort.</li>
<li>The program’s in-person setup has created a unique intensity and camaraderie among students, helping Marvin grow as both a person and a therapist.</li>
<li>He emphasizes the importance of authenticity and vulnerability in building strong connections within the cohort.</li>
</ul><h3>Navigating Family Dynamics and Self-Awareness</h3><ul>
<li>Marvin shares how the program has deepened his empathy for his parents, particularly their struggles as first-generation immigrants.</li>
<li>He reflects on how their survival strategies shaped his upbringing and his understanding of family dynamics.</li>
<li>The program has helped Marvin foster greater authenticity and emotional awareness in both his personal and professional life.</li>
</ul><h3>Balancing Academics, Work, and Relationships during his MFT Masters Program</h3><ul>
<li>Marvin explains the challenges of balancing his academic workload, job responsibilities, and personal relationships.</li>
<li>He discusses the financial stress of grad school, including student loans, and the sacrifices involved in pursuing his degree.</li>
<li>Marvin acknowledges the importance of maintaining connections with friends and family to avoid burnout and maintain a healthy work-life balance.</li>
</ul><h3>Financial Concerns and Career Aspirations as an MFT</h3><ul>
<li>Marvin shares his worries about student debt and the economic realities of being a therapist.</li>
<li>He expresses gratitude for his supportive employer, who provides flexibility to balance work and school.</li>
<li>Marvin is exploring career options, including the importance of finding fieldwork opportunities that align with his values and schedule.</li>
</ul><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Finding Alignment in a Second Career – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Iris Wilson-Farley</title>
      <description>Finding Alignment in a Second Career – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Iris Wilson-Farley
In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our second interview is with Iris Wilson-Farley, a 54-year-old trans woman and graduate student pursuing her Master’s in Clinical Mental Health Counseling at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Iris shares her journey moving from a 32-year corporate career to becoming a therapist, her passion for working with the LGBTQ+ community, and her reflections on safety, technology, and additional training opportunities.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we meet Iris Wilson-Farley, an aspiring therapist
We continue our new series on becoming a therapist, with Iris Wilson-Farley, who in her process of self-discovery realized that her career was misaligned. She is now pursuing a degree in counseling.
The motivation to transition careers from HR to Therapy
Iris shares how her personal journey as a transgender woman and her positive counseling experiences inspired her to pursue a more meaningful career in therapy, focusing on giving back to the LGBTQ+ community, particularly older adults.
The challenges and surprises in an online graduate program for therapists
Iris discusses the challenges of adjusting to an asynchronous online program, balancing studies with her HR job, and the valuable multicultural and social justice emphasis in her curriculum.
The perspective gained from entering therapy grad school as a second career clinician
She highlights the wisdom, emotional intelligence, and lived experiences she brings as a second-career student, including her unique insights from being a client herself.
Discussing safety concerns and multicultural awareness in the mental health profession
Iris reflects on addressing safety concerns as a trans therapist, particularly in the face of potential discrimination, and shares her commitment to finding a supportive and affirming work environment.
How is AI and technology addressed in therapist graduate school?
Drawing from her corporate experience, Iris explores the integration of technology and AI in therapy, advocating for its potential to enhance the field while emphasizing the need for ethical considerations.
What additional training can be helpful when starting out as a therapist?
Iris expresses interest in pursuing additional certifications in sex therapy and religious trauma to better serve the LGBTQ+ community and address gaps in her training.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our second interview is with Iris Wilson-Farley, a 54-year-old transgender woman and graduate student pursuing her Master’s in Clinical Mental Health Counseling at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Iris shares her journey moving from a 32-year corporate career to becoming a therapist, her passion for working with the LGBTQ+ community, and her reflections on safety, technology, and additional training opportunities.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Finding Alignment in a Second Career – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Iris Wilson-Farley
In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our second interview is with Iris Wilson-Farley, a 54-year-old trans woman and graduate student pursuing her Master’s in Clinical Mental Health Counseling at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Iris shares her journey moving from a 32-year corporate career to becoming a therapist, her passion for working with the LGBTQ+ community, and her reflections on safety, technology, and additional training opportunities.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we meet Iris Wilson-Farley, an aspiring therapist
We continue our new series on becoming a therapist, with Iris Wilson-Farley, who in her process of self-discovery realized that her career was misaligned. She is now pursuing a degree in counseling.
The motivation to transition careers from HR to Therapy
Iris shares how her personal journey as a transgender woman and her positive counseling experiences inspired her to pursue a more meaningful career in therapy, focusing on giving back to the LGBTQ+ community, particularly older adults.
The challenges and surprises in an online graduate program for therapists
Iris discusses the challenges of adjusting to an asynchronous online program, balancing studies with her HR job, and the valuable multicultural and social justice emphasis in her curriculum.
The perspective gained from entering therapy grad school as a second career clinician
She highlights the wisdom, emotional intelligence, and lived experiences she brings as a second-career student, including her unique insights from being a client herself.
Discussing safety concerns and multicultural awareness in the mental health profession
Iris reflects on addressing safety concerns as a trans therapist, particularly in the face of potential discrimination, and shares her commitment to finding a supportive and affirming work environment.
How is AI and technology addressed in therapist graduate school?
Drawing from her corporate experience, Iris explores the integration of technology and AI in therapy, advocating for its potential to enhance the field while emphasizing the need for ethical considerations.
What additional training can be helpful when starting out as a therapist?
Iris expresses interest in pursuing additional certifications in sex therapy and religious trauma to better serve the LGBTQ+ community and address gaps in her training.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Finding Alignment in a Second Career – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Iris Wilson-Farley</h1><p>In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our second interview is with Iris Wilson-Farley, a 54-year-old trans woman and graduate student pursuing her Master’s in Clinical Mental Health Counseling at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Iris shares her journey moving from a 32-year corporate career to becoming a therapist, her passion for working with the LGBTQ+ community, and her reflections on safety, technology, and additional training opportunities.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we meet Iris Wilson-Farley, an aspiring therapist</h2><p>We continue our new series on becoming a therapist, with Iris Wilson-Farley, who in her process of self-discovery realized that her career was misaligned. She is now pursuing a degree in counseling.</p><h3>The motivation to transition careers from HR to Therapy</h3><p>Iris shares how her personal journey as a transgender woman and her positive counseling experiences inspired her to pursue a more meaningful career in therapy, focusing on giving back to the LGBTQ+ community, particularly older adults.</p><h3>The challenges and surprises in an online graduate program for therapists</h3><p>Iris discusses the challenges of adjusting to an asynchronous online program, balancing studies with her HR job, and the valuable multicultural and social justice emphasis in her curriculum.</p><h3>The perspective gained from entering therapy grad school as a second career clinician</h3><p>She highlights the wisdom, emotional intelligence, and lived experiences she brings as a second-career student, including her unique insights from being a client herself.</p><p>Discussing safety concerns and multicultural awareness in the mental health profession</p><p>Iris reflects on addressing safety concerns as a trans therapist, particularly in the face of potential discrimination, and shares her commitment to finding a supportive and affirming work environment.</p><h3>How is AI and technology addressed in therapist graduate school?</h3><p>Drawing from her corporate experience, Iris explores the integration of technology and AI in therapy, advocating for its potential to enhance the field while emphasizing the need for ethical considerations.</p><h3>What additional training can be helpful when starting out as a therapist?</h3><p>Iris expresses interest in pursuing additional certifications in sex therapy and religious trauma to better serve the LGBTQ+ community and address gaps in her training.</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>From Broadway to Grad School – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Derek Isetti</title>
      <description>From Broadway to Grad School – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Derek Isetti
In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our first interview is with Derek Isetti, a 50-year-old graduate student in a two-year Master of Social Work program at California State University, Stanislaus. Derek shares his journey from careers in musical theater and speech-language pathology to pursuing a career in therapy. He reflects on the challenges, surprises, and personal factors influencing his decision to return to school, offering insights into navigating graduate education and the mental health profession.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Derek Isetti
Derek Isetti, PhD, CCC-SLP earned his bachelor of arts in drama with an emphasis in musical theater from University of California, Irvine in 1996. After traveling the country in four national tours and performing in the musical Cabaret on Broadway, Derek returned to school and in 2008 he earned his master of science in Speech-Language Pathology from University of the Pacific. He later earned his doctor of philosophy in Speech and Hearing Sciences from University of Washington, studying voice disorders under the mentorship of Dr. Tanya Eadie. He joined the Pacific faculty in 2014 and is currently serving as Department Chair. In the Fall of 2023, he returned to school to pursue an MSW degree in hopes of becoming a psychotherapist. Derek is a member of the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association (ASHA) and the California Speech-Language-Hearing Association.
In this podcast episode, we meet Derek Isetti, an aspiring therapist
We are starting a new series to follow graduate students on their journey to become a therapist. We start with Derek Isetti, a third career therapist who is working full-time while attending a MSW program in Northern CA. (summary provided in collaboration with Otter.ai and ChatGPT)
The experience of transitioning careers to become a therapist
Derek explains his shift from a performer and speech-language pathologist to therapy, motivated by a desire to create supportive, transformative spaces for others.
What graduate school can be like for aspiring therapists
He details his MSW program structure, designed for working professionals, which includes online courses, in-person classes once a month, and 1,000 hours of fieldwork by graduation.
How therapy students can balance academic and personal life
Derek shares how his personal circumstances, being single, working in academia, and attending a state university for affordability—helped shape his path.
Some challenges and surprises on the path to becoming a therapist
He discusses the variability in program lengths (some social work programs are only 1 year, for example), California’s unique licensure process for social workers, and the tension between broad social work education and specialized psychotherapy training.
How current events and technology are addressed in therapy grad school
Derek highlights the integration of national events and teletherapy technology into his program and the importance of addressing these topics with clients and students.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>From Broadway to Grad School – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Derek Isetti</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/a0c93428-cf73-11ef-9522-27c92fc19b88/image/269fabe7ae35eff8682878740bc5f7e1.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our first interview is with Derek Isetti, a 50-year-old graduate student in a two-year Master of Social Work program at California State University, Stanislaus. Derek shares his journey from careers in musical theater and speech-language pathology to pursuing a career in therapy. He reflects on the challenges, surprises, and personal factors influencing his decision to return to school, offering insights into navigating graduate education and the mental health profession.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>From Broadway to Grad School – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Derek Isetti
In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our first interview is with Derek Isetti, a 50-year-old graduate student in a two-year Master of Social Work program at California State University, Stanislaus. Derek shares his journey from careers in musical theater and speech-language pathology to pursuing a career in therapy. He reflects on the challenges, surprises, and personal factors influencing his decision to return to school, offering insights into navigating graduate education and the mental health profession.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Derek Isetti
Derek Isetti, PhD, CCC-SLP earned his bachelor of arts in drama with an emphasis in musical theater from University of California, Irvine in 1996. After traveling the country in four national tours and performing in the musical Cabaret on Broadway, Derek returned to school and in 2008 he earned his master of science in Speech-Language Pathology from University of the Pacific. He later earned his doctor of philosophy in Speech and Hearing Sciences from University of Washington, studying voice disorders under the mentorship of Dr. Tanya Eadie. He joined the Pacific faculty in 2014 and is currently serving as Department Chair. In the Fall of 2023, he returned to school to pursue an MSW degree in hopes of becoming a psychotherapist. Derek is a member of the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association (ASHA) and the California Speech-Language-Hearing Association.
In this podcast episode, we meet Derek Isetti, an aspiring therapist
We are starting a new series to follow graduate students on their journey to become a therapist. We start with Derek Isetti, a third career therapist who is working full-time while attending a MSW program in Northern CA. (summary provided in collaboration with Otter.ai and ChatGPT)
The experience of transitioning careers to become a therapist
Derek explains his shift from a performer and speech-language pathologist to therapy, motivated by a desire to create supportive, transformative spaces for others.
What graduate school can be like for aspiring therapists
He details his MSW program structure, designed for working professionals, which includes online courses, in-person classes once a month, and 1,000 hours of fieldwork by graduation.
How therapy students can balance academic and personal life
Derek shares how his personal circumstances, being single, working in academia, and attending a state university for affordability—helped shape his path.
Some challenges and surprises on the path to becoming a therapist
He discusses the variability in program lengths (some social work programs are only 1 year, for example), California’s unique licensure process for social workers, and the tension between broad social work education and specialized psychotherapy training.
How current events and technology are addressed in therapy grad school
Derek highlights the integration of national events and teletherapy technology into his program and the importance of addressing these topics with clients and students.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>From Broadway to Grad School – Special Series Becoming a Therapist: An interview with Derek Isetti</h1><p>In this new series, Curt and Katie interview graduate students and will follow them on their journey to becoming a therapist. Our first interview is with Derek Isetti, a 50-year-old graduate student in a two-year Master of Social Work program at California State University, Stanislaus. Derek shares his journey from careers in musical theater and speech-language pathology to pursuing a career in therapy. He reflects on the challenges, surprises, and personal factors influencing his decision to return to school, offering insights into navigating graduate education and the mental health profession.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>An Interview with Derek Isetti</h2><p>Derek Isetti, PhD, CCC-SLP earned his bachelor of arts in drama with an emphasis in musical theater from University of California, Irvine in 1996. After traveling the country in four national tours and performing in the musical Cabaret on Broadway, Derek returned to school and in 2008 he earned his master of science in Speech-Language Pathology from University of the Pacific. He later earned his doctor of philosophy in Speech and Hearing Sciences from University of Washington, studying voice disorders under the mentorship of Dr. Tanya Eadie. He joined the Pacific faculty in 2014 and is currently serving as Department Chair. In the Fall of 2023, he returned to school to pursue an MSW degree in hopes of becoming a psychotherapist. Derek is a member of the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association (ASHA) and the California Speech-Language-Hearing Association.</p><h2>In this podcast episode, we meet Derek Isetti, an aspiring therapist</h2><p>We are starting a new series to follow graduate students on their journey to become a therapist. We start with Derek Isetti, a third career therapist who is working full-time while attending a MSW program in Northern CA. (summary provided in collaboration with Otter.ai and ChatGPT)</p><h3>The experience of transitioning careers to become a therapist</h3><p>Derek explains his shift from a performer and speech-language pathologist to therapy, motivated by a desire to create supportive, transformative spaces for others.</p><h3>What graduate school can be like for aspiring therapists</h3><p>He details his MSW program structure, designed for working professionals, which includes online courses, in-person classes once a month, and 1,000 hours of fieldwork by graduation.</p><h3>How therapy students can balance academic and personal life</h3><p>Derek shares how his personal circumstances, being single, working in academia, and attending a state university for affordability—helped shape his path.</p><h3>Some challenges and surprises on the path to becoming a therapist</h3><p>He discusses the variability in program lengths (some social work programs are only 1 year, for example), California’s unique licensure process for social workers, and the tension between broad social work education and specialized psychotherapy training.</p><h3>How current events and technology are addressed in therapy grad school</h3><p>Derek highlights the integration of national events and teletherapy technology into his program and the importance of addressing these topics with clients and students.</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What if You Hate Private Practice?</title>
      <description>What if you hate private practice?
Curt and Katie chat about the realities of private practice and why it isn’t the idyllic career path it’s often made out to be. We dig into reasons therapists may dislike private practice, like financial instability, isolation, lack of accountability, and ethical concerns. We also share ways therapists can navigate these hurdles and find fulfillment in their work.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk through what makes owning a private practice hard
We have seen both overly effusive (“living my best life”) and hopeless (“I will never be successful in private practice”) feedback about being in private practice. But what is it really like? AND if you don’t like private practice is that okay? We decided to dig into what makes being a private practitioner challenging.
Doesn’t everyone LOVE private practice?
·       There are a lot of reasons people choose private practice as their job
·       Private practice is hard
·       Private practice isn’t for everyone
Financial Instability is unavoidable in private practice
·       Private practice income can be unpredictable, often lacking benefits and paid time off
·       Therapists may need outside financial support to mitigate these challenges
·       Starting a private practice easily can rely on financial or able-bodied privilege
·       Charging high fees and navigating ethical dilemmas can challenge therapists’ sense of fulfillment and values.
Owning a Private Practice comes with Business Challenges
·       With limited business training in grad school, therapists often struggle with marketing, setting up systems, and attracting clients.
·       Therapists can overthink how they set up their practice, causing delays and inefficiency
Many Private Practice Clinicians experience isolation
·       Private practice can feel lonely
·       Networking, consultation groups, and in-person connections are essential for combating isolation.
Private practice can be boring or monotonous
·       If you are tightly niched or work only with the worried well, you may encounter little clinical challenge
·       If you are only doing one to one work, you may desire more diversity of tasks to stay interested (like teaching, podcasting, etc.)
If you own your own business, figure out how to deal with accountability issues
·       Without structured oversight, therapists may face difficulties staying organized or motivated, which can lead to burnout
·       Depending on who you talk with, you might convince yourself that no one is caught up on notes or paying their taxes on time – which isn’t accurate.
What can therapists do to make private practice better?
·       Network and nurture social and professional support
·       Get systems set up (and make them as simple as possible) to streamline your work
·       Think about diversifying what you do, to keep yourself engaged with the work

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What if you hate private practice?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the realities of private practice and why it isn’t the idyllic career path it’s often made out to be. We dig into reasons therapists may dislike private practice, like financial instability, isolation, lack of accountability, and ethical concerns. We also share ways therapists can navigate these hurdles and find fulfillment in their work.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What if you hate private practice?
Curt and Katie chat about the realities of private practice and why it isn’t the idyllic career path it’s often made out to be. We dig into reasons therapists may dislike private practice, like financial instability, isolation, lack of accountability, and ethical concerns. We also share ways therapists can navigate these hurdles and find fulfillment in their work.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk through what makes owning a private practice hard
We have seen both overly effusive (“living my best life”) and hopeless (“I will never be successful in private practice”) feedback about being in private practice. But what is it really like? AND if you don’t like private practice is that okay? We decided to dig into what makes being a private practitioner challenging.
Doesn’t everyone LOVE private practice?
·       There are a lot of reasons people choose private practice as their job
·       Private practice is hard
·       Private practice isn’t for everyone
Financial Instability is unavoidable in private practice
·       Private practice income can be unpredictable, often lacking benefits and paid time off
·       Therapists may need outside financial support to mitigate these challenges
·       Starting a private practice easily can rely on financial or able-bodied privilege
·       Charging high fees and navigating ethical dilemmas can challenge therapists’ sense of fulfillment and values.
Owning a Private Practice comes with Business Challenges
·       With limited business training in grad school, therapists often struggle with marketing, setting up systems, and attracting clients.
·       Therapists can overthink how they set up their practice, causing delays and inefficiency
Many Private Practice Clinicians experience isolation
·       Private practice can feel lonely
·       Networking, consultation groups, and in-person connections are essential for combating isolation.
Private practice can be boring or monotonous
·       If you are tightly niched or work only with the worried well, you may encounter little clinical challenge
·       If you are only doing one to one work, you may desire more diversity of tasks to stay interested (like teaching, podcasting, etc.)
If you own your own business, figure out how to deal with accountability issues
·       Without structured oversight, therapists may face difficulties staying organized or motivated, which can lead to burnout
·       Depending on who you talk with, you might convince yourself that no one is caught up on notes or paying their taxes on time – which isn’t accurate.
What can therapists do to make private practice better?
·       Network and nurture social and professional support
·       Get systems set up (and make them as simple as possible) to streamline your work
·       Think about diversifying what you do, to keep yourself engaged with the work

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What if you hate private practice?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the realities of private practice and why it isn’t the idyllic career path it’s often made out to be. We dig into reasons therapists may dislike private practice, like financial instability, isolation, lack of accountability, and ethical concerns. We also share ways therapists can navigate these hurdles and find fulfillment in their work.</p><p> <em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk through what makes owning a private practice hard</h2><p>We have seen both overly effusive (“living my best life”) and hopeless (“I will never be successful in private practice”) feedback about being in private practice. But what is it really like? AND if you don’t like private practice is that okay? We decided to dig into what makes being a private practitioner challenging.</p><h3>Doesn’t everyone LOVE private practice?</h3><p>·       There are a lot of reasons people choose private practice as their job</p><p>·       Private practice is hard</p><p>·       Private practice isn’t for everyone</p><h3>Financial Instability is unavoidable in private practice</h3><p>·       Private practice income can be unpredictable, often lacking benefits and paid time off</p><p>·       Therapists may need outside financial support to mitigate these challenges</p><p>·       Starting a private practice easily can rely on financial or able-bodied privilege</p><p>·       Charging high fees and navigating ethical dilemmas can challenge therapists’ sense of fulfillment and values.</p><h3>Owning a Private Practice comes with Business Challenges</h3><p>·       With limited business training in grad school, therapists often struggle with marketing, setting up systems, and attracting clients.</p><p>·       Therapists can overthink how they set up their practice, causing delays and inefficiency</p><h3>Many Private Practice Clinicians experience isolation</h3><p>·       Private practice can feel lonely</p><p>·       Networking, consultation groups, and in-person connections are essential for combating isolation.</p><h3>Private practice can be boring or monotonous</h3><p>·       If you are tightly niched or work only with the worried well, you may encounter little clinical challenge</p><p>·       If you are only doing one to one work, you may desire more diversity of tasks to stay interested (like teaching, podcasting, etc.)</p><h3>If you own your own business, figure out how to deal with accountability issues</h3><p>·       Without structured oversight, therapists may face difficulties staying organized or motivated, which can lead to burnout</p><p>·       Depending on who you talk with, you might convince yourself that no one is caught up on notes or paying their taxes on time – which isn’t accurate.</p><h3>What can therapists do to make private practice better?</h3><p>·       Network and nurture social and professional support</p><p>·       Get systems set up (and make them as simple as possible) to streamline your work</p><p>·       Think about diversifying what you do, to keep yourself engaged with the work</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>REPLAY - Outside Obsessions</title>
      <description>REPLAY - Outside Obsessions
 
We’re still on vacation, but we wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 95: Outside Obsessions. In this episode we talk about how to handle the hobbies and goals in our personal lives that can be all consuming, especially if they come into the therapy room.
You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 95 here: Outside Obsessions (https://bit.ly/mtsgpodcast95).</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>REPLAY - Outside Obsessions</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/44f9f7dc-b28f-11ef-b5f3-fb5120b3fdb4/image/08411c9fca03227421a96738d6331c9a.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk about how to handle the hobbies and goals in our personal lives that can be all consuming, especially if they come into the therapy room. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>REPLAY - Outside Obsessions
 
We’re still on vacation, but we wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 95: Outside Obsessions. In this episode we talk about how to handle the hobbies and goals in our personal lives that can be all consuming, especially if they come into the therapy room.
You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 95 here: Outside Obsessions (https://bit.ly/mtsgpodcast95).</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>REPLAY - Outside Obsessions</h1><p> </p><p>We’re still on vacation, but we wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 95: Outside Obsessions. In this episode we talk about how to handle the hobbies and goals in our personal lives that can be all consuming, especially if they come into the therapy room.</p><p>You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 95 here: <a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/outside-obsessions/">Outside Obsessions</a> (<a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgpodcast95">https://bit.ly/mtsgpodcast95</a>).</p>]]>
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      <itunes:duration>2341</itunes:duration>
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      <title>REPLAY - It’s Time to Think About Your Goals</title>
      <description>REPLAY - It’s Time to Think About Your Goals
 We’re on vacation, but we wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 18: It’s Time to Think About Your Goals. This is one of our first episodes and you can see what we were working on for 2018. This episode is timeless and timely. Happy New Year, all!
You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 18 here: It’s Time to Think About Your Goals (https://bit.ly/mtsgpodcast18).</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>REPLAY - It’s Time to Think About Your Goals</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/5780e4a2-b28e-11ef-9d0b-57c80698a7c7/image/4536d3cbc09cf7e246e11ad00e522442.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Today’s replay is of Episode 18: It’s Time to Think About Your Goals. This is one of our first episodes and you can see what we were working on for 2018. This episode is timeless and timely.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>REPLAY - It’s Time to Think About Your Goals
 We’re on vacation, but we wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 18: It’s Time to Think About Your Goals. This is one of our first episodes and you can see what we were working on for 2018. This episode is timeless and timely. Happy New Year, all!
You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 18 here: It’s Time to Think About Your Goals (https://bit.ly/mtsgpodcast18).</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>REPLAY - It’s Time to Think About Your Goals</h1><p> We’re on vacation, but we wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 18: It’s Time to Think About Your Goals. This is one of our first episodes and you can see what we were working on for 2018. This episode is timeless and timely. Happy New Year, all!</p><p>You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 18 here: <a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/its-time-to-think-about-your-goals/">It’s Time to Think About Your Goals</a> (<a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgpodcast18">https://bit.ly/mtsgpodcast18</a>).</p>]]>
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      <title>An ER Doctor Reflects on Gun Violence, Health Inequities, and Moral Injury: An interview with Dr. Ruby J. Long</title>
      <description>An ER Doctor Reflects on Gun Violence, Health Inequities, and Moral Injury: An interview with Dr. Ruby J. Long
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ruby Long, ER doctor and restorative justice advocate, about the devastating impact of gun violence in the U.S. and its designation as a public health crisis. Dr. Long highlights its rise as the leading cause of death for children and adolescents and shares the emotional toll on healthcare providers. She reflects on compassion fatigue and moral injury in the ER, which was exacerbated by health inequity and the covid pandemic.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Dr. Ruby Long about gun violence
Dr. Ruby J. Long has been an ER doctor for a long time and has seen a lot of gun violence come through her doors. She is reaching out to help providers understand the specifics, provides a helpful acronym and is sharing her resourceful book. 
The Reality of Gun Violence in the U.S.

54% of U.S. adults have been directly affected by firearm violence.

Gun violence has surpassed other leading causes of death for children and adolescents.

Firearms are the leading cause of death in suicides.

It is important that providers are able to identify risk factors, particularly for senior males and veterans, and promoting secure gun storage.

How can gun violence impact the medical and mental health providers who are supporting victims?

The moral injuries and trauma healthcare professionals face from witnessing the physical and mental health impacts of gun violence.

Dr. Long shares her own experiences as an ER doctor and the profound emotional impact of treating gunshot victims.

The importance of responsible gun storage and using the "Be SMART" approach:

Secure guns.

Model responsible behavior.

Ask about unsecured guns.

Recognize the role of guns in suicide.

Tell peers about gun safety.

Provider Support and Self-Care:

Coping with burnout and moral injuries through personal limits, professional therapy, and systemic support (beyond yoga mats and pizza parties)

The importance of small, focused actions in advocating for gun safety and violence prevention.

Dr. Long’s Book: Love Letters to Patients

Inspired by her experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Offers resources for health challenges like suicide, domestic violence, and overdose.

Aims to empower patients and encourage early intervention.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>An ER Doctor Reflects on Gun Violence, Health Inequities, and Moral Injury: An interview with Dr. Ruby J. Long</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/a232f9a6-b11f-11ef-958f-af5000b03344/image/92380c31c2fc0bf8a48e97ebf78e2404.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ruby Long, ER doctor and restorative justice advocate, about the devastating impact of gun violence in the U.S. and its designation as a public health crisis. Dr. Long highlights its rise as the leading cause of death for children and adolescents and shares the emotional toll on healthcare providers. She reflects on compassion fatigue and moral injury in the ER, which was exacerbated by health inequity and the covid pandemic.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An ER Doctor Reflects on Gun Violence, Health Inequities, and Moral Injury: An interview with Dr. Ruby J. Long
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ruby Long, ER doctor and restorative justice advocate, about the devastating impact of gun violence in the U.S. and its designation as a public health crisis. Dr. Long highlights its rise as the leading cause of death for children and adolescents and shares the emotional toll on healthcare providers. She reflects on compassion fatigue and moral injury in the ER, which was exacerbated by health inequity and the covid pandemic.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Dr. Ruby Long about gun violence
Dr. Ruby J. Long has been an ER doctor for a long time and has seen a lot of gun violence come through her doors. She is reaching out to help providers understand the specifics, provides a helpful acronym and is sharing her resourceful book. 
The Reality of Gun Violence in the U.S.

54% of U.S. adults have been directly affected by firearm violence.

Gun violence has surpassed other leading causes of death for children and adolescents.

Firearms are the leading cause of death in suicides.

It is important that providers are able to identify risk factors, particularly for senior males and veterans, and promoting secure gun storage.

How can gun violence impact the medical and mental health providers who are supporting victims?

The moral injuries and trauma healthcare professionals face from witnessing the physical and mental health impacts of gun violence.

Dr. Long shares her own experiences as an ER doctor and the profound emotional impact of treating gunshot victims.

The importance of responsible gun storage and using the "Be SMART" approach:

Secure guns.

Model responsible behavior.

Ask about unsecured guns.

Recognize the role of guns in suicide.

Tell peers about gun safety.

Provider Support and Self-Care:

Coping with burnout and moral injuries through personal limits, professional therapy, and systemic support (beyond yoga mats and pizza parties)

The importance of small, focused actions in advocating for gun safety and violence prevention.

Dr. Long’s Book: Love Letters to Patients

Inspired by her experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Offers resources for health challenges like suicide, domestic violence, and overdose.

Aims to empower patients and encourage early intervention.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<h1>An ER Doctor Reflects on Gun Violence, Health Inequities, and Moral Injury: An interview with Dr. Ruby J. Long</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ruby Long, ER doctor and restorative justice advocate, about the devastating impact of gun violence in the U.S. and its designation as a public health crisis. Dr. Long highlights its rise as the leading cause of death for children and adolescents and shares the emotional toll on healthcare providers. She reflects on compassion fatigue and moral injury in the ER, which was exacerbated by health inequity and the covid pandemic.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk with Dr. Ruby Long about gun violence</h2><p>Dr. Ruby J. Long has been an ER doctor for a long time and has seen a lot of gun violence come through her doors. She is reaching out to help providers understand the specifics, provides a helpful acronym and is sharing her resourceful book. </p><h3>The Reality of Gun Violence in the U.S.</h3><ul>
<li>54% of U.S. adults have been directly affected by firearm violence.</li>
<li>Gun violence has surpassed other leading causes of death for children and adolescents.</li>
<li>Firearms are the leading cause of death in suicides.</li>
<li>It is important that providers are able to identify risk factors, particularly for senior males and veterans, and promoting secure gun storage.</li>
</ul><h3>How can gun violence impact the medical and mental health providers who are supporting victims?</h3><ul>
<li>The moral injuries and trauma healthcare professionals face from witnessing the physical and mental health impacts of gun violence.</li>
<li>Dr. Long shares her own experiences as an ER doctor and the profound emotional impact of treating gunshot victims.</li>
</ul><h3>The importance of responsible gun storage and using the "Be SMART" approach:</h3><ul>
<li>Secure guns.</li>
<li>Model responsible behavior.</li>
<li>Ask about unsecured guns.</li>
<li>Recognize the role of guns in suicide.</li>
<li>Tell peers about gun safety.</li>
</ul><h3>Provider Support and Self-Care:</h3><ul>
<li>Coping with burnout and moral injuries through personal limits, professional therapy, and systemic support (beyond yoga mats and pizza parties)</li>
<li>The importance of small, focused actions in advocating for gun safety and violence prevention.</li>
</ul><h3>Dr. Long’s Book: Love Letters to Patients</h3><ul>
<li>Inspired by her experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic.</li>
<li>Offers resources for health challenges like suicide, domestic violence, and overdose.</li>
<li>Aims to empower patients and encourage early intervention.</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Reporting Back from the Behavioral Health Tech 2024 Conference</title>
      <description>Reporting Back from the Behavioral Health Tech 2024 Conference
Curt and Katie chat about Katie’s attendance at the 2024 Behavioral Health Teach conference. Katie reported back on investment trends, how Value Based Care is being understood and implemented, and how therapists can navigate these tech disruptors and evolving business models. 
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we report back on updates in the behavioral health tech space
We decided to have Katie go to the Behavioral Health Tech 2024 conference to learn about innovations and leaders in the behavioral health tech space. This episode is an out brief with updates for all clinicians.
What is the Behavioral Health Tech conference?
·       This is a newer conference that brings together VCs, founders, insurance payors, and clinicians
·       The focus of this conference is on innovation, especially technology solutions for what they were describing as a broken mental health system
Investment trends in the Behavioral Health space
·       AI Therapy
·       Self-help tools
·       VR for social skills (i.e., in the Autism space)
·       Measurement-based care (including wearables, journals, and assessment tools)
·       Integrated EHR systems that include the ability to have “interoperability” between providers
What is Value-Based Care and what does that mean for behavioral health providers?
·       There is a stepped or tiered process to implement Value-Based Care
·       First step is enhanced fee for service, with augmented fees for better outcomes
·       The next step is a rate per client model with incentives and penalties (upside/downside)
·       The final step is a fully capitated model where the clinician provides comprehensive care, with potential risk (you underestimated the costs) and potential benefit (you price appropriately and have the opportunity for higher per client reimbursement than in a fee-for-service model)
·       Solo (or “single shingle”) practitioners will have difficulty with the aggregated data that is needed to negotiate these contracts with payors.
·       Larger, potentially VC funded groups are aggregating this data and negotiating higher rates, but may not be passing on much of this increased rate to the clinicians they hire or contract with
What are the opportunities and challenges facing therapists with the advances in tech?
·       It is critical for therapists to become more efficient, look for opportunities to collaborate, and incorporate technology effectively to be able to success in VBC models (or in the new marketplace)
·       Group or specialized practices are better-situated to navigate these challenges than individual practitioners
·       Outcome measures may be key to competing in the new marketplace
How can mental health clinicians advocate related to these new advances in technology?
·       Clinicians should be involved in these conversations around how therapy and business models are evolving
·       Advocacy to make sure there is clinician and client input on how these systems are put together
What should therapists do now to future-proof their practice?
·       Identify and integrate outcome measures into your therapy practice
·       Stay informed about what is up and coming in the field
·       Streamline your operations to increase efficiency and prepare for VBC models
·       Join advocacy groups to make sure therapist perspectives are represented in the new care models.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Reporting Back from the Behavioral Health Tech 2024 Conference</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about Katie’s attendance at the 2024 Behavioral Health Teach conference. Katie reported back on investment trends, how Value Based Care is being understood and implemented, and how therapists can navigate these tech disruptors and evolving business models.  </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Reporting Back from the Behavioral Health Tech 2024 Conference
Curt and Katie chat about Katie’s attendance at the 2024 Behavioral Health Teach conference. Katie reported back on investment trends, how Value Based Care is being understood and implemented, and how therapists can navigate these tech disruptors and evolving business models. 
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we report back on updates in the behavioral health tech space
We decided to have Katie go to the Behavioral Health Tech 2024 conference to learn about innovations and leaders in the behavioral health tech space. This episode is an out brief with updates for all clinicians.
What is the Behavioral Health Tech conference?
·       This is a newer conference that brings together VCs, founders, insurance payors, and clinicians
·       The focus of this conference is on innovation, especially technology solutions for what they were describing as a broken mental health system
Investment trends in the Behavioral Health space
·       AI Therapy
·       Self-help tools
·       VR for social skills (i.e., in the Autism space)
·       Measurement-based care (including wearables, journals, and assessment tools)
·       Integrated EHR systems that include the ability to have “interoperability” between providers
What is Value-Based Care and what does that mean for behavioral health providers?
·       There is a stepped or tiered process to implement Value-Based Care
·       First step is enhanced fee for service, with augmented fees for better outcomes
·       The next step is a rate per client model with incentives and penalties (upside/downside)
·       The final step is a fully capitated model where the clinician provides comprehensive care, with potential risk (you underestimated the costs) and potential benefit (you price appropriately and have the opportunity for higher per client reimbursement than in a fee-for-service model)
·       Solo (or “single shingle”) practitioners will have difficulty with the aggregated data that is needed to negotiate these contracts with payors.
·       Larger, potentially VC funded groups are aggregating this data and negotiating higher rates, but may not be passing on much of this increased rate to the clinicians they hire or contract with
What are the opportunities and challenges facing therapists with the advances in tech?
·       It is critical for therapists to become more efficient, look for opportunities to collaborate, and incorporate technology effectively to be able to success in VBC models (or in the new marketplace)
·       Group or specialized practices are better-situated to navigate these challenges than individual practitioners
·       Outcome measures may be key to competing in the new marketplace
How can mental health clinicians advocate related to these new advances in technology?
·       Clinicians should be involved in these conversations around how therapy and business models are evolving
·       Advocacy to make sure there is clinician and client input on how these systems are put together
What should therapists do now to future-proof their practice?
·       Identify and integrate outcome measures into your therapy practice
·       Stay informed about what is up and coming in the field
·       Streamline your operations to increase efficiency and prepare for VBC models
·       Join advocacy groups to make sure therapist perspectives are represented in the new care models.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Reporting Back from the Behavioral Health Tech 2024 Conference</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about Katie’s attendance at the 2024 Behavioral Health Teach conference. Katie reported back on investment trends, how Value Based Care is being understood and implemented, and how therapists can navigate these tech disruptors and evolving business models. </p><p> <em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we report back on updates in the behavioral health tech space</h2><p>We decided to have Katie go to the Behavioral Health Tech 2024 conference to learn about innovations and leaders in the behavioral health tech space. This episode is an out brief with updates for all clinicians.</p><h3>What is the Behavioral Health Tech conference?</h3><p>·       This is a newer conference that brings together VCs, founders, insurance payors, and clinicians</p><p>·       The focus of this conference is on innovation, especially technology solutions for what they were describing as a broken mental health system</p><h3>Investment trends in the Behavioral Health space</h3><p>·       AI Therapy</p><p>·       Self-help tools</p><p>·       VR for social skills (i.e., in the Autism space)</p><p>·       Measurement-based care (including wearables, journals, and assessment tools)</p><p>·       Integrated EHR systems that include the ability to have “interoperability” between providers</p><h3>What is Value-Based Care and what does that mean for behavioral health providers?</h3><p>·       There is a stepped or tiered process to implement Value-Based Care</p><p>·       First step is enhanced fee for service, with augmented fees for better outcomes</p><p>·       The next step is a rate per client model with incentives and penalties (upside/downside)</p><p>·       The final step is a fully capitated model where the clinician provides comprehensive care, with potential risk (you underestimated the costs) and potential benefit (you price appropriately and have the opportunity for higher per client reimbursement than in a fee-for-service model)</p><p>·       Solo (or “single shingle”) practitioners will have difficulty with the aggregated data that is needed to negotiate these contracts with payors.</p><p>·       Larger, potentially VC funded groups are aggregating this data and negotiating higher rates, but may not be passing on much of this increased rate to the clinicians they hire or contract with</p><h3>What are the opportunities and challenges facing therapists with the advances in tech?</h3><p>·       It is critical for therapists to become more efficient, look for opportunities to collaborate, and incorporate technology effectively to be able to success in VBC models (or in the new marketplace)</p><p>·       Group or specialized practices are better-situated to navigate these challenges than individual practitioners</p><p>·       Outcome measures may be key to competing in the new marketplace</p><h3>How can mental health clinicians advocate related to these new advances in technology?</h3><p>·       Clinicians should be involved in these conversations around how therapy and business models are evolving</p><p>·       Advocacy to make sure there is clinician and client input on how these systems are put together</p><h3>What should therapists do now to future-proof their practice?</h3><p>·       Identify and integrate outcome measures into your therapy practice</p><p>·       Stay informed about what is up and coming in the field</p><p>·       Streamline your operations to increase efficiency and prepare for VBC models</p><p>·       Join advocacy groups to make sure therapist perspectives are represented in the new care models.</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Working for 988: Insider Perspectives</title>
      <description>Working for 988: Insider Perspectives
Curt and Katie received feedback on our recent one year follow-up episode on the rollout of 988. We received responses from a person who was working within the 988 system as well as someone who started going through the training for the text crisis hotline. We were able to put more depth into our understanding of how this system works. We explored training, supervision, funding, potential equity issues, and concerns for staff. We also share ideas for advocacy.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we report back on employee experiences within the 988/crisis response system
We share two insider experiences working within the crisis response system around 988. 
Listeners shared their experiences with training as an emergency worker within the 988 system:

For the text crisis hotlines, there were concerns about insufficient, online-only training models that lack supervision and focus on formulaic responses.

For the call center, there was a report of extensive initial training (9 full time weeks of training) but minimal supervision post-training.

What are 988 insider concerns regarding AI and Data Privacy?

Ethical concerns around AI tools used for measuring empathy and issues with data collection practices.

Balancing AI integration with trauma-informed care and caller anonymity.

How does 988 Funding work and what are potential equity Issues?

Fragmented funding models tied to sources like Medicaid lead to inconsistent protocols and potentially inequitable care.

Federal funding is needed to standardize practices and improve service quality.

An insider report on 988 Call Center challenges:

High burnout rates among staff due to limited resources and support.

Gaps in follow-up care for callers due to funding and staffing constraints.

Takeaways and Solutions for 988 and the full crisis response system:

Advocacy is needed for dedicated federal funding to ensure consistent training, equitable care, and trauma-informed practices.

It would be best to have standardized protocols to strengthen the 988 crisis hotline system.

Thoughtful integration of AI to enhance efficiency while maintaining ethical standards.

Support for call center staff to prevent burnout and improve service outcomes.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Working for 988: Insider Perspectives</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/1fe244ea-a61e-11ef-a013-53ef7fa05d73/image/e6c1794c7698a85a92cac87c2c6ac69f.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie received feedback on our recent one year follow-up episode on the rollout of 988. We received responses from a person who was working within the 988 system as well as someone who started going through the training for the text crisis hotline. We were able to put more depth into our understanding of how this system works. We explored training, supervision, funding, potential equity issues, and concerns for staff. We also share ideas for advocacy. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Working for 988: Insider Perspectives
Curt and Katie received feedback on our recent one year follow-up episode on the rollout of 988. We received responses from a person who was working within the 988 system as well as someone who started going through the training for the text crisis hotline. We were able to put more depth into our understanding of how this system works. We explored training, supervision, funding, potential equity issues, and concerns for staff. We also share ideas for advocacy.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we report back on employee experiences within the 988/crisis response system
We share two insider experiences working within the crisis response system around 988. 
Listeners shared their experiences with training as an emergency worker within the 988 system:

For the text crisis hotlines, there were concerns about insufficient, online-only training models that lack supervision and focus on formulaic responses.

For the call center, there was a report of extensive initial training (9 full time weeks of training) but minimal supervision post-training.

What are 988 insider concerns regarding AI and Data Privacy?

Ethical concerns around AI tools used for measuring empathy and issues with data collection practices.

Balancing AI integration with trauma-informed care and caller anonymity.

How does 988 Funding work and what are potential equity Issues?

Fragmented funding models tied to sources like Medicaid lead to inconsistent protocols and potentially inequitable care.

Federal funding is needed to standardize practices and improve service quality.

An insider report on 988 Call Center challenges:

High burnout rates among staff due to limited resources and support.

Gaps in follow-up care for callers due to funding and staffing constraints.

Takeaways and Solutions for 988 and the full crisis response system:

Advocacy is needed for dedicated federal funding to ensure consistent training, equitable care, and trauma-informed practices.

It would be best to have standardized protocols to strengthen the 988 crisis hotline system.

Thoughtful integration of AI to enhance efficiency while maintaining ethical standards.

Support for call center staff to prevent burnout and improve service outcomes.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Working for 988: Insider Perspectives</h1><p>Curt and Katie received feedback on our recent one year follow-up episode on the rollout of 988. We received responses from a person who was working within the 988 system as well as someone who started going through the training for the text crisis hotline. We were able to put more depth into our understanding of how this system works. We explored training, supervision, funding, potential equity issues, and concerns for staff. We also share ideas for advocacy.</p><p> <em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we report back on employee experiences within the 988/crisis response system</h2><p>We share two insider experiences working within the crisis response system around 988. </p><h3>Listeners shared their experiences with training as an emergency worker within the 988 system:</h3><ul>
<li>For the text crisis hotlines, there were concerns about insufficient, online-only training models that lack supervision and focus on formulaic responses.</li>
<li>For the call center, there was a report of extensive initial training (9 full time weeks of training) but minimal supervision post-training.</li>
</ul><h3>What are 988 insider concerns regarding AI and Data Privacy?</h3><ul>
<li>Ethical concerns around AI tools used for measuring empathy and issues with data collection practices.</li>
<li>Balancing AI integration with trauma-informed care and caller anonymity.</li>
</ul><h3>How does 988 Funding work and what are potential equity Issues?</h3><ul>
<li>Fragmented funding models tied to sources like Medicaid lead to inconsistent protocols and potentially inequitable care.</li>
<li>Federal funding is needed to standardize practices and improve service quality.</li>
</ul><h3>An insider report on 988 Call Center challenges:</h3><ul>
<li>High burnout rates among staff due to limited resources and support.</li>
<li>Gaps in follow-up care for callers due to funding and staffing constraints.</li>
</ul><h3>Takeaways and Solutions for 988 and the full crisis response system:</h3><ul>
<li>Advocacy is needed for dedicated federal funding to ensure consistent training, equitable care, and trauma-informed practices.</li>
<li>It would be best to have standardized protocols to strengthen the 988 crisis hotline system.</li>
<li>Thoughtful integration of AI to enhance efficiency while maintaining ethical standards.</li>
<li>Support for call center staff to prevent burnout and improve service outcomes.</li>
</ul><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How Do Therapists Get Paid?</title>
      <description>How Do Therapists Get Paid?
Curt and Katie chat about how community mental health as well as insurance, hybrid, or private pay practices get money and pay their workers. We emphasize the importance of recognizing the financial realities of the mental health profession and how advocacy can drive change in the field. We also encourage therapists to understand the systems we work in and engage in conversations about financial transparency and sustainability.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how compensation is set up
There have been a lot of conversations about how therapists get paid and whether associates or newer therapists are being exploited. We decided to pull the curtain back to identify how money actually works in this profession.
What do therapists need to know about how finances work in mental health?
·      How income is allocated across salaries, rent, insurance, and administrative costs.
·      Why clinicians’ salaries represent just a fraction of total practice income.
·      The impact of government contracts and insurance reimbursements on budgeting.
·      • The Financial Dynamics of Therapy Practices:
·      How income is allocated across salaries, rent, insurance, and administrative costs.
·      Why clinician salaries represent just a portion of what practice owners need to pay.
·      The impact of government contracts and insurance reimbursements on budgeting.
What are common misconceptions about group practice owners?
·      There is a view that all group practice owners exploit therapists. This is often very far from the reality of group practice owners sacrificing their own pay for payroll
·      We highlight the financial risks, responsibilities, and long hours owners take on.
Understanding Community Mental Health Budgets:
·      Breaking down how agencies allocate funds from government contracts.
·      Challenges like unfunded mandates and balancing clinician pay with program needs.
Managing Budgets in Group Practices:
·      The complexities of balancing overhead costs, clinician pay, and sustainable growth.
·      How practice owners often work unpaid hours to cover supervision, billing, and other administrative tasks.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How Do Therapists Get Paid?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/6b3b5ec6-a3b8-11ef-b469-3738d55e1b59/image/c3f2844934ab38b751cb5a76c711384a.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how community mental health as well as insurance, hybrid, or private pay practices get money and pay their workers. We emphasize the importance of recognizing the financial realities of the mental health profession and how advocacy can drive change in the field. We also encourage therapists to understand the systems we work in and engage in conversations about financial transparency and sustainability.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Do Therapists Get Paid?
Curt and Katie chat about how community mental health as well as insurance, hybrid, or private pay practices get money and pay their workers. We emphasize the importance of recognizing the financial realities of the mental health profession and how advocacy can drive change in the field. We also encourage therapists to understand the systems we work in and engage in conversations about financial transparency and sustainability.
 Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how compensation is set up
There have been a lot of conversations about how therapists get paid and whether associates or newer therapists are being exploited. We decided to pull the curtain back to identify how money actually works in this profession.
What do therapists need to know about how finances work in mental health?
·      How income is allocated across salaries, rent, insurance, and administrative costs.
·      Why clinicians’ salaries represent just a fraction of total practice income.
·      The impact of government contracts and insurance reimbursements on budgeting.
·      • The Financial Dynamics of Therapy Practices:
·      How income is allocated across salaries, rent, insurance, and administrative costs.
·      Why clinician salaries represent just a portion of what practice owners need to pay.
·      The impact of government contracts and insurance reimbursements on budgeting.
What are common misconceptions about group practice owners?
·      There is a view that all group practice owners exploit therapists. This is often very far from the reality of group practice owners sacrificing their own pay for payroll
·      We highlight the financial risks, responsibilities, and long hours owners take on.
Understanding Community Mental Health Budgets:
·      Breaking down how agencies allocate funds from government contracts.
·      Challenges like unfunded mandates and balancing clinician pay with program needs.
Managing Budgets in Group Practices:
·      The complexities of balancing overhead costs, clinician pay, and sustainable growth.
·      How practice owners often work unpaid hours to cover supervision, billing, and other administrative tasks.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How Do Therapists Get Paid?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about how community mental health as well as insurance, hybrid, or private pay practices get money and pay their workers. We emphasize the importance of recognizing the financial realities of the mental health profession and how advocacy can drive change in the field. We also encourage therapists to understand the systems we work in and engage in conversations about financial transparency and sustainability.</p><p> <em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how compensation is set up</h2><p>There have been a lot of conversations about how therapists get paid and whether associates or newer therapists are being exploited. We decided to pull the curtain back to identify how money actually works in this profession.</p><h3>What do therapists need to know about how finances work in mental health?</h3><p>·      How income is allocated across salaries, rent, insurance, and administrative costs.</p><p>·      Why clinicians’ salaries represent just a fraction of total practice income.</p><p>·      The impact of government contracts and insurance reimbursements on budgeting.</p><p>·      • The Financial Dynamics of Therapy Practices:</p><p>·      How income is allocated across salaries, rent, insurance, and administrative costs.</p><p>·      Why clinician salaries represent just a portion of what practice owners need to pay.</p><p>·      The impact of government contracts and insurance reimbursements on budgeting.</p><h3>What are common misconceptions about group practice owners?</h3><p>·      There is a view that all group practice owners exploit therapists. This is often very far from the reality of group practice owners sacrificing their own pay for payroll</p><p>·      We highlight the financial risks, responsibilities, and long hours owners take on.</p><h3>Understanding Community Mental Health Budgets:</h3><p>·      Breaking down how agencies allocate funds from government contracts.</p><p>·      Challenges like unfunded mandates and balancing clinician pay with program needs.</p><h3>Managing Budgets in Group Practices:</h3><p>·      The complexities of balancing overhead costs, clinician pay, and sustainable growth.</p><p>·      How practice owners often work unpaid hours to cover supervision, billing, and other administrative tasks.</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How to Scale Your Therapy Practice to 7 Figures So You Can Sell It: An interview with Nicole McCance</title>
      <description>How to Scale Your Therapy Practice to 7 Figures So You Can Sell It: An interview with Nicole McCance
Curt and Katie interview Nicole McCance about her journey to selling her 7-figure group therapy practice. We look at common challenges therapists face in this process as well as ideas and methods Nicole teaches to help others scale their practice more easily. Nicole shares systems, hiring, and leadership strategies. We also look at some important considerations when planning to sell your practice.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Nicole McCance about scaling your practice
Nicole McCance scaled her practice and then sold it. We dug into her systems and thought processes in creating a sellable group practice.
What do therapists typically get wrong when growing their group practices?
·      New group practice owners often don’t have their systems written down
·      Unreasonable expectations of the difficulty in hiring clinicians
·      Not knowing which path to take regarding marketing and other group practice decisions
What is Nicole McCance’s model for growing a group practice?
·      Systemize your operations
·      Build your dream team (with your first hire being your mini me)
·      Attract clients with digital marketing
·      Converting clients using free consults
·      Retain clients with follow ups
What are important steps to get your practice ready to sell?
·      Your branding must not be your name
·      You will need to be able to sell your clinicians and move clients into their caseloads
·      You need to move into the role of CEO and not get stuck in the clinician role
·      Take the time you need to make that transition
What should therapists consider when deciding whether to scale their practice to a group?
·      If you’re feeling isolated, find a community
·      There are a lot of steps, systems, and processes that you’ll need to develop (or purchase from someone else)
·      If you don’t like change or don’t do well with pressure, don’t go into group practice
·      You will need to have the ability to read the market to guide hires and growth
·      Focus on excellence and service needs, not growth for growth’s sake
·      Build a culture that supports your clinicians and helps decrease clinician turnover
·      Figuring out how to pay your clinicians may be more complex than you realize

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Nicole McCance about her journey to selling her 7-figure group therapy practice. We look at common challenges therapists face in this process as well as ideas and methods Nicole teaches to help others scale their practice more easily. Nicole shares systems, hiring, and leadership strategies. We also look at some important considerations when planning to sell your practice. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How to Scale Your Therapy Practice to 7 Figures So You Can Sell It: An interview with Nicole McCance
Curt and Katie interview Nicole McCance about her journey to selling her 7-figure group therapy practice. We look at common challenges therapists face in this process as well as ideas and methods Nicole teaches to help others scale their practice more easily. Nicole shares systems, hiring, and leadership strategies. We also look at some important considerations when planning to sell your practice.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Nicole McCance about scaling your practice
Nicole McCance scaled her practice and then sold it. We dug into her systems and thought processes in creating a sellable group practice.
What do therapists typically get wrong when growing their group practices?
·      New group practice owners often don’t have their systems written down
·      Unreasonable expectations of the difficulty in hiring clinicians
·      Not knowing which path to take regarding marketing and other group practice decisions
What is Nicole McCance’s model for growing a group practice?
·      Systemize your operations
·      Build your dream team (with your first hire being your mini me)
·      Attract clients with digital marketing
·      Converting clients using free consults
·      Retain clients with follow ups
What are important steps to get your practice ready to sell?
·      Your branding must not be your name
·      You will need to be able to sell your clinicians and move clients into their caseloads
·      You need to move into the role of CEO and not get stuck in the clinician role
·      Take the time you need to make that transition
What should therapists consider when deciding whether to scale their practice to a group?
·      If you’re feeling isolated, find a community
·      There are a lot of steps, systems, and processes that you’ll need to develop (or purchase from someone else)
·      If you don’t like change or don’t do well with pressure, don’t go into group practice
·      You will need to have the ability to read the market to guide hires and growth
·      Focus on excellence and service needs, not growth for growth’s sake
·      Build a culture that supports your clinicians and helps decrease clinician turnover
·      Figuring out how to pay your clinicians may be more complex than you realize

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How to Scale Your Therapy Practice to 7 Figures So You Can Sell It: An interview with Nicole McCance</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Nicole McCance about her journey to selling her 7-figure group therapy practice. We look at common challenges therapists face in this process as well as ideas and methods Nicole teaches to help others scale their practice more easily. Nicole shares systems, hiring, and leadership strategies. We also look at some important considerations when planning to sell your practice.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk with Nicole McCance about scaling your practice</h2><p>Nicole McCance scaled her practice and then sold it. We dug into her systems and thought processes in creating a sellable group practice.</p><h3>What do therapists typically get wrong when growing their group practices?</h3><p>·      New group practice owners often don’t have their systems written down</p><p>·      Unreasonable expectations of the difficulty in hiring clinicians</p><p>·      Not knowing which path to take regarding marketing and other group practice decisions</p><h3>What is Nicole McCance’s model for growing a group practice?</h3><p>·      Systemize your operations</p><p>·      Build your dream team (with your first hire being your mini me)</p><p>·      Attract clients with digital marketing</p><p>·      Converting clients using free consults</p><p>·      Retain clients with follow ups</p><h3>What are important steps to get your practice ready to sell?</h3><p>·      Your branding must not be your name</p><p>·      You will need to be able to sell your clinicians and move clients into their caseloads</p><p>·      You need to move into the role of CEO and not get stuck in the clinician role</p><p>·      Take the time you need to make that transition</p><h3>What should therapists consider when deciding whether to scale their practice to a group?</h3><p>·      If you’re feeling isolated, find a community</p><p>·      There are a lot of steps, systems, and processes that you’ll need to develop (or purchase from someone else)</p><p>·      If you don’t like change or don’t do well with pressure, don’t go into group practice</p><p>·      You will need to have the ability to read the market to guide hires and growth</p><p>·      Focus on excellence and service needs, not growth for growth’s sake</p><p>·      Build a culture that supports your clinicians and helps decrease clinician turnover</p><p>·      Figuring out how to pay your clinicians may be more complex than you realize</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Going No Contact, Relationship Recovery, and the NY Times: An interview with Patrick Teahan, LICSW</title>
      <description>Going No Contact, Relationship Recovery, and the NY Times: An interview with Patrick Teahan, LICSW
Curt and Katie interview Patrick Teahan, LICSW after he was featured in an article on going no contact in the New York Times. We explored his experience of his work being sensationalized and the fallout from that article (and the string of duplicates). We also dug into how he actually works. We talked about the Relationship Recovery Process (RRP) and what it can look like when someone makes the challenging decision to cut off their family members.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Patrick Teahan on his NY Times interview on Going No Contact
We read and had a big response to a NY Times article on going no contact, reacting to the sensationalized portrayal of Patrick Teahan’s work with adults who come from abusive families. After learning how he really works, we reached out to him to explore the impact of this article as well as what his model is for working with these individuals. 
Reflecting on the NY Times Article: Is Cutting Off Your Family Good Therapy?
·      Patrick was interviewed due to his viral videos and online presence on YouTube
·      He talked with the interviewer about the process of Going No Contact and his work with childhood trauma survivors
·      He felt like the process took a turn into his personal story and then sensationalized his work
·      There were a number of duplicate articles (even in different countries) that led to misunderstanding of his work and hurting clients who have made the decision to go no contact with abusive family members
What is RRP (the Relationship Recovery Process)?
·      Work to finishing business with family members
·      Reclaim intimacy
·      Group Psychotherapy focused on normalization of the experiences of survivors of abusive families and childhood trauma
·      The work can include individual work prior to joining the group
·      Late in the process (potentially years into the process) a client may make the decision to “get distance” from their family if they are not able to continue their healing process due to ongoing triggers and abuse
·      Patrick is doing research on the RRP model and will be publishing those results soon
What is the process for Going No Contact with family members?
·      It is a very complex decision, usually after communication with family members has not led to any work on their part and repeated boundary crossings that make it impossible for a client to continue their work to heal
·      It is better to transparently and clearly communicate the decision to go no contact, rather than ghosting family members, when safe and possible
·      The decision to go no contact does not need to be total or permanent. Clients can seek space without making the decision to never talk to their family member again

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Going No Contact, Relationship Recovery, and the NY Times: An interview with Patrick Teahan, LICSW</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Patrick Teahan, LICSW after he was featured in an article on going no contact in the New York Times. We explored his experience of his work being sensationalized and the fallout from that article (and the string of duplicates). We also dug into how he actually works. We talked about the Relationship Recovery Process (RRP) and what it can look like when someone makes the challenging decision to cut off their family members. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Going No Contact, Relationship Recovery, and the NY Times: An interview with Patrick Teahan, LICSW
Curt and Katie interview Patrick Teahan, LICSW after he was featured in an article on going no contact in the New York Times. We explored his experience of his work being sensationalized and the fallout from that article (and the string of duplicates). We also dug into how he actually works. We talked about the Relationship Recovery Process (RRP) and what it can look like when someone makes the challenging decision to cut off their family members.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk with Patrick Teahan on his NY Times interview on Going No Contact
We read and had a big response to a NY Times article on going no contact, reacting to the sensationalized portrayal of Patrick Teahan’s work with adults who come from abusive families. After learning how he really works, we reached out to him to explore the impact of this article as well as what his model is for working with these individuals. 
Reflecting on the NY Times Article: Is Cutting Off Your Family Good Therapy?
·      Patrick was interviewed due to his viral videos and online presence on YouTube
·      He talked with the interviewer about the process of Going No Contact and his work with childhood trauma survivors
·      He felt like the process took a turn into his personal story and then sensationalized his work
·      There were a number of duplicate articles (even in different countries) that led to misunderstanding of his work and hurting clients who have made the decision to go no contact with abusive family members
What is RRP (the Relationship Recovery Process)?
·      Work to finishing business with family members
·      Reclaim intimacy
·      Group Psychotherapy focused on normalization of the experiences of survivors of abusive families and childhood trauma
·      The work can include individual work prior to joining the group
·      Late in the process (potentially years into the process) a client may make the decision to “get distance” from their family if they are not able to continue their healing process due to ongoing triggers and abuse
·      Patrick is doing research on the RRP model and will be publishing those results soon
What is the process for Going No Contact with family members?
·      It is a very complex decision, usually after communication with family members has not led to any work on their part and repeated boundary crossings that make it impossible for a client to continue their work to heal
·      It is better to transparently and clearly communicate the decision to go no contact, rather than ghosting family members, when safe and possible
·      The decision to go no contact does not need to be total or permanent. Clients can seek space without making the decision to never talk to their family member again

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Going No Contact, Relationship Recovery, and the NY Times: An interview with Patrick Teahan, LICSW</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Patrick Teahan, LICSW after he was featured in an article on going no contact in the New York Times. We explored his experience of his work being sensationalized and the fallout from that article (and the string of duplicates). We also dug into how he actually works. We talked about the Relationship Recovery Process (RRP) and what it can look like when someone makes the challenging decision to cut off their family members.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk with Patrick Teahan on his NY Times interview on Going No Contact</h2><p>We read and had a big response to a NY Times article on going no contact, reacting to the sensationalized portrayal of Patrick Teahan’s work with adults who come from abusive families. After learning how he really works, we reached out to him to explore the impact of this article as well as what his model is for working with these individuals. </p><h3>Reflecting on the NY Times Article: Is Cutting Off Your Family Good Therapy?</h3><p>·      Patrick was interviewed due to his viral videos and online presence on YouTube</p><p>·      He talked with the interviewer about the process of Going No Contact and his work with childhood trauma survivors</p><p>·      He felt like the process took a turn into his personal story and then sensationalized his work</p><p>·      There were a number of duplicate articles (even in different countries) that led to misunderstanding of his work and hurting clients who have made the decision to go no contact with abusive family members</p><h3>What is RRP (the Relationship Recovery Process)?</h3><p>·      Work to finishing business with family members</p><p>·      Reclaim intimacy</p><p>·      Group Psychotherapy focused on normalization of the experiences of survivors of abusive families and childhood trauma</p><p>·      The work can include individual work prior to joining the group</p><p>·      Late in the process (potentially years into the process) a client may make the decision to “get distance” from their family if they are not able to continue their healing process due to ongoing triggers and abuse</p><p>·      Patrick is doing research on the RRP model and will be publishing those results soon</p><h3>What is the process for Going No Contact with family members?</h3><p>·      It is a very complex decision, usually after communication with family members has not led to any work on their part and repeated boundary crossings that make it impossible for a client to continue their work to heal</p><p>·      It is better to transparently and clearly communicate the decision to go no contact, rather than ghosting family members, when safe and possible</p><p>·      The decision to go no contact does not need to be total or permanent. Clients can seek space without making the decision to never talk to their family member again</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>How Do Therapists Manage Intense Caseloads?</title>
      <description>How Do Therapists Manage Intense Caseloads?
Curt and Katie chat about how to manage clients with high needs. We look at risk factors as well as how therapists can take care of themselves while working with challenging caseloads. We also talk about clinical strategies and effective risk assessments and safety planning as important elements for effective practice.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can manage high levels of risk in their caseload
As part of our “Survival Guide” we have been asked to talk through how to manage high intensity caseloads.
What is a high intensity caseload?
·      High levels of suicide
·      Impulsive or aggressive clients
·      Families with a lot of challenges (like trauma, poverty, etc.)
What are the risks for therapists who have high intensity caseload?
·      Burnout
·      Vicarious Trauma
·      Moral Injury
How can therapists take care of themselves when their caseload is challenging?
·      Scheduling breaks and other self-care practices
·      Timing clients with bigger challenges at times you have more space to address them
·      Managing caseload size (i.e., you may have to see clients more than once a week)
·      Don’t be alone with challenging cases
·      Looking at which problems are structural and which are based on your individual effort
·      Assessing your capacity for seeing clients and working with clients
·      Understanding how your personal life can impact your ability to work with clients
·      Building support and cohesive teams (e.g., DBT Consulting Team)
·      Balancing work and personal life effectively
What are clinical strategies for working with high-risk cases?
·      Separating your emotions from your clients
·      Making sure you get yourself into wise mind before you engage with crisis
·      Meet your client where they are, not where they “should be”
·      Creating a treatment team
·      In-between session contact should be structured and boundaried
·      Move away from savior or protector role for clients
·      Effective risk assessment and safety planning

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How Do Therapists Manage Intense Caseloads?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b970df48-97de-11ef-a7ab-1f9c30fbc0fe/image/77b6e158ef8d3060c62478aea0e58057.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how to manage clients with high needs. We look at risk factors as well as how therapists can take care of themselves while working with challenging caseloads. We also talk about clinical strategies and effective risk assessments and safety planning as  important elements for effective practice. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Do Therapists Manage Intense Caseloads?
Curt and Katie chat about how to manage clients with high needs. We look at risk factors as well as how therapists can take care of themselves while working with challenging caseloads. We also talk about clinical strategies and effective risk assessments and safety planning as important elements for effective practice.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can manage high levels of risk in their caseload
As part of our “Survival Guide” we have been asked to talk through how to manage high intensity caseloads.
What is a high intensity caseload?
·      High levels of suicide
·      Impulsive or aggressive clients
·      Families with a lot of challenges (like trauma, poverty, etc.)
What are the risks for therapists who have high intensity caseload?
·      Burnout
·      Vicarious Trauma
·      Moral Injury
How can therapists take care of themselves when their caseload is challenging?
·      Scheduling breaks and other self-care practices
·      Timing clients with bigger challenges at times you have more space to address them
·      Managing caseload size (i.e., you may have to see clients more than once a week)
·      Don’t be alone with challenging cases
·      Looking at which problems are structural and which are based on your individual effort
·      Assessing your capacity for seeing clients and working with clients
·      Understanding how your personal life can impact your ability to work with clients
·      Building support and cohesive teams (e.g., DBT Consulting Team)
·      Balancing work and personal life effectively
What are clinical strategies for working with high-risk cases?
·      Separating your emotions from your clients
·      Making sure you get yourself into wise mind before you engage with crisis
·      Meet your client where they are, not where they “should be”
·      Creating a treatment team
·      In-between session contact should be structured and boundaried
·      Move away from savior or protector role for clients
·      Effective risk assessment and safety planning

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How Do Therapists Manage Intense Caseloads?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about how to manage clients with high needs. We look at risk factors as well as how therapists can take care of themselves while working with challenging caseloads. We also talk about clinical strategies and effective risk assessments and safety planning as important elements for effective practice.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can manage high levels of risk in their caseload</h2><p>As part of our “Survival Guide” we have been asked to talk through how to manage high intensity caseloads.</p><h3>What is a high intensity caseload?</h3><p>·      High levels of suicide</p><p>·      Impulsive or aggressive clients</p><p>·      Families with a lot of challenges (like trauma, poverty, etc.)</p><h3>What are the risks for therapists who have high intensity caseload?</h3><p>·      Burnout</p><p>·      Vicarious Trauma</p><p>·      Moral Injury</p><h3>How can therapists take care of themselves when their caseload is challenging?</h3><p>·      Scheduling breaks and other self-care practices</p><p>·      Timing clients with bigger challenges at times you have more space to address them</p><p>·      Managing caseload size (i.e., you may have to see clients more than once a week)</p><p>·      Don’t be alone with challenging cases</p><p>·      Looking at which problems are structural and which are based on your individual effort</p><p>·      Assessing your capacity for seeing clients and working with clients</p><p>·      Understanding how your personal life can impact your ability to work with clients</p><p>·      Building support and cohesive teams (e.g., DBT Consulting Team)</p><p>·      Balancing work and personal life effectively</p><h3>What are clinical strategies for working with high-risk cases?</h3><p>·      Separating your emotions from your clients</p><p>·      Making sure you get yourself into wise mind before you engage with crisis</p><p>·      Meet your client where they are, not where they “should be”</p><p>·      Creating a treatment team</p><p>·      In-between session contact should be structured and boundaried</p><p>·      Move away from savior or protector role for clients</p><p>·      Effective risk assessment and safety planning</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Bipolar Disorder - How Can Therapists Support Clients and Their Families?: An interview with Dr. David J. Miklowitz, PhD</title>
      <description>Bipolar Disorder - How Can Therapists Support Clients and Their Families?: An interview with Dr. David J. Miklowitz, PhD
Curt and Katie interview Dr. David Miklowitz about his work with people with Bipolar Disorder and their families. We look at what therapists can often get wrong when working with patients presenting with this disorder. We explore differential diagnosis, treatment options, lifestyle coping strategies, and family support. We also talk about how to walk the line between self-responsibility and accommodation.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we interview an expert on Bipolar Disorder
Many clinicians can miss or over-diagnose bipolar disorder. We wanted to make sure that our modern therapists have enough of the basics to identify if it is coming in their offices. We also talked with our guest about non-medication options to supporting bipolar clients and their family members.
What makes it hard to diagnose bipolar disorder?
·      Therapists need to get adequate information, which is often self-report or family history
·      There are a number of rule outs and comorbidities such as depression (unipolar), anxiety, trauma, personality disorders, substance use
·      If someone is inaccurately dx, it can lead to the wrong treatments, including the wrong medications
·      It is challenging to differentiate normal adolescent behavior from bipolar, so careful assessment is needed.
What can get in the way of treatment compliance for bipolar disorder?
·      Desire to be more creative or feel all of ones emotions can lead to lack of meds compliance
·      Perceptions about productivity during hypomania
·      Substance use and abuse can cause a lack of compliance or efficacy with medications, substances can also lead to exacerbation of symptoms
·      Medication side effects can be challenging, which requires active communication with psychiatrist to adjust dosages
What role can the family and loved ones play in supporting someone with bipolar?
·      Family-Focused Therapy (FFT) is a protocol that can be helpful
·      Family members can provide accommodation for client
·      There is a balance to be struck between family support, medication, and personal responsibility
·      Boundaries are very important

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Bipolar Disorder - How Can Therapists Support Clients and Their Families?: An interview with Dr. David J. Miklowitz, PhD</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. David Miklowitz about his work with people with Bipolar Disorder and their families. We look at what therapists can often get wrong when working with patients presenting with this disorder.  We explore differential diagnosis, treatment options, lifestyle coping strategies, and family support. We also talk about how to walk the line between self-responsibility and accommodation. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Bipolar Disorder - How Can Therapists Support Clients and Their Families?: An interview with Dr. David J. Miklowitz, PhD
Curt and Katie interview Dr. David Miklowitz about his work with people with Bipolar Disorder and their families. We look at what therapists can often get wrong when working with patients presenting with this disorder. We explore differential diagnosis, treatment options, lifestyle coping strategies, and family support. We also talk about how to walk the line between self-responsibility and accommodation.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we interview an expert on Bipolar Disorder
Many clinicians can miss or over-diagnose bipolar disorder. We wanted to make sure that our modern therapists have enough of the basics to identify if it is coming in their offices. We also talked with our guest about non-medication options to supporting bipolar clients and their family members.
What makes it hard to diagnose bipolar disorder?
·      Therapists need to get adequate information, which is often self-report or family history
·      There are a number of rule outs and comorbidities such as depression (unipolar), anxiety, trauma, personality disorders, substance use
·      If someone is inaccurately dx, it can lead to the wrong treatments, including the wrong medications
·      It is challenging to differentiate normal adolescent behavior from bipolar, so careful assessment is needed.
What can get in the way of treatment compliance for bipolar disorder?
·      Desire to be more creative or feel all of ones emotions can lead to lack of meds compliance
·      Perceptions about productivity during hypomania
·      Substance use and abuse can cause a lack of compliance or efficacy with medications, substances can also lead to exacerbation of symptoms
·      Medication side effects can be challenging, which requires active communication with psychiatrist to adjust dosages
What role can the family and loved ones play in supporting someone with bipolar?
·      Family-Focused Therapy (FFT) is a protocol that can be helpful
·      Family members can provide accommodation for client
·      There is a balance to be struck between family support, medication, and personal responsibility
·      Boundaries are very important

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Bipolar Disorder - How Can Therapists Support Clients and Their Families?: An interview with Dr. David J. Miklowitz, PhD</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. David Miklowitz about his work with people with Bipolar Disorder and their families. We look at what therapists can often get wrong when working with patients presenting with this disorder. We explore differential diagnosis, treatment options, lifestyle coping strategies, and family support. We also talk about how to walk the line between self-responsibility and accommodation.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we interview an expert on Bipolar Disorder</h2><p>Many clinicians can miss or over-diagnose bipolar disorder. We wanted to make sure that our modern therapists have enough of the basics to identify if it is coming in their offices. We also talked with our guest about non-medication options to supporting bipolar clients and their family members.</p><h3>What makes it hard to diagnose bipolar disorder?</h3><p>·      Therapists need to get adequate information, which is often self-report or family history</p><p>·      There are a number of rule outs and comorbidities such as depression (unipolar), anxiety, trauma, personality disorders, substance use</p><p>·      If someone is inaccurately dx, it can lead to the wrong treatments, including the wrong medications</p><p>·      It is challenging to differentiate normal adolescent behavior from bipolar, so careful assessment is needed.</p><h3>What can get in the way of treatment compliance for bipolar disorder?</h3><p>·      Desire to be more creative or feel all of ones emotions can lead to lack of meds compliance</p><p>·      Perceptions about productivity during hypomania</p><p>·      Substance use and abuse can cause a lack of compliance or efficacy with medications, substances can also lead to exacerbation of symptoms</p><p>·      Medication side effects can be challenging, which requires active communication with psychiatrist to adjust dosages</p><h3>What role can the family and loved ones play in supporting someone with bipolar?</h3><p>·      Family-Focused Therapy (FFT) is a protocol that can be helpful</p><p>·      Family members can provide accommodation for client</p><p>·      There is a balance to be struck between family support, medication, and personal responsibility</p><p>·      Boundaries are very important</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Is Your Informed Consent Based on Magical Thinking?</title>
      <description>Is Your Informed Consent Based on Magical Thinking?
Curt and Katie chat about the strange, manipulative, or outright illegal and unethical policies that therapists put into their informed consent. We talk through court, payment, and jurisdictional policies (among others), exploring why these policies are so bad. We also give some advice on what to do instead. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the ridiculous things therapists put in their informed consent
An old article from our friends over at CPH resurfaced talking about all the ways that therapists try to skirt laws or mandates with their informed consent. We thought some of this stuff sounded a bit like magical thinking. 
What goes into an informed consent?
·      Policies and procedures
·      Risks and benefits for treatment
·      Social media and court policies
·      More information here:
What are the biggest concerns with therapist informed consent?
·      Forcing clients to sign illegal policies is in fact illegal
·      Putting undue force onto a client is wrong
·      Court avoidance clauses are not realistic and may be illegal
·      There are limits to the fee structures you can have clients agree to
·      You have to complete your legal responsibilities, even if a client signs something that says you do not have to do so
·      You can’t have someone agree to waive jurisdiction when they travel or consent to calling your services something different
What do therapists need to do with their informed consent?
·      Make sure you don’t have any illegal or unethical practices in your informed consent
·      Don’t try to “game” the system to protect yourself from your legal and ethical responsibilities

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Is Your Informed Consent Based on Magical Thinking?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the strange, manipulative, or outright illegal and unethical policies that therapists put into their informed consent. We talk through court, payment, and jurisdictional policies (among others), exploring why these policies are so bad. We also give some advice on what to do instead.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is Your Informed Consent Based on Magical Thinking?
Curt and Katie chat about the strange, manipulative, or outright illegal and unethical policies that therapists put into their informed consent. We talk through court, payment, and jurisdictional policies (among others), exploring why these policies are so bad. We also give some advice on what to do instead. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the ridiculous things therapists put in their informed consent
An old article from our friends over at CPH resurfaced talking about all the ways that therapists try to skirt laws or mandates with their informed consent. We thought some of this stuff sounded a bit like magical thinking. 
What goes into an informed consent?
·      Policies and procedures
·      Risks and benefits for treatment
·      Social media and court policies
·      More information here:
What are the biggest concerns with therapist informed consent?
·      Forcing clients to sign illegal policies is in fact illegal
·      Putting undue force onto a client is wrong
·      Court avoidance clauses are not realistic and may be illegal
·      There are limits to the fee structures you can have clients agree to
·      You have to complete your legal responsibilities, even if a client signs something that says you do not have to do so
·      You can’t have someone agree to waive jurisdiction when they travel or consent to calling your services something different
What do therapists need to do with their informed consent?
·      Make sure you don’t have any illegal or unethical practices in your informed consent
·      Don’t try to “game” the system to protect yourself from your legal and ethical responsibilities

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Is Your Informed Consent Based on Magical Thinking?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the strange, manipulative, or outright illegal and unethical policies that therapists put into their informed consent. We talk through court, payment, and jurisdictional policies (among others), exploring why these policies are so bad. We also give some advice on what to do instead. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about the ridiculous things therapists put in their informed consent</h2><p>An old article from our friends over at CPH resurfaced talking about all the ways that therapists try to skirt laws or mandates with their informed consent. We thought some of this stuff sounded a bit like magical thinking. </p><h3>What goes into an informed consent?</h3><p>·      Policies and procedures</p><p>·      Risks and benefits for treatment</p><p>·      Social media and court policies</p><p>·      More information here:</p><h3>What are the biggest concerns with therapist informed consent?</h3><p>·      Forcing clients to sign illegal policies is in fact illegal</p><p>·      Putting undue force onto a client is wrong</p><p>·      Court avoidance clauses are not realistic and may be illegal</p><p>·      There are limits to the fee structures you can have clients agree to</p><p>·      You have to complete your legal responsibilities, even if a client signs something that says you do not have to do so</p><p>·      You can’t have someone agree to waive jurisdiction when they travel or consent to calling your services something different</p><h3>What do therapists need to do with their informed consent?</h3><p>·      Make sure you don’t have any illegal or unethical practices in your informed consent</p><p>·      Don’t try to “game” the system to protect yourself from your legal and ethical responsibilities</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Is Artificial Intelligence Bringing Bias into Mental Health Treatment?</title>
      <description>Is Artificial Intelligence Bringing Bias into Mental Health Treatment?
Curt and Katie chat about the responsibility therapists hold when they use AI applications for their therapy practices. We explore where bias can show up and how AI compares to therapists in acting on biased information. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about whether therapists or AI are more biased
With the inclusion of artificial intelligence tools into psychotherapy, there is more access to mental health treatment by a larger portion of the world. This course addresses the question “Do the same biases that exist in in-person delivered psychotherapy exist in AI delivered treatment?” at the awareness, support, and intervention levels of mental health treatment.
How is machine learning used in “AI” for therapists?
·       There are different types of AI used in mental health, machine learning, neural networks, and natural language processing
·       AI can be used for awareness, support, and/or intervention
·       There is a potential for bias within AI models
Where can bias come in when AI models are used in mental health?
·       Source material, like the DSM
·       Human error in the creation
·       Cultural humility and appropriateness
Are human therapists less biased than AI models in diagnosis and mental health intervention?
·       The short answer is no
·       A study shows that ChatGPT is significantly more accurate than physicians in diagnosing depression (95% or greater compared to 42%)
·       ChatGPT is less likely to provide biased recommendations for treatment (i.e., they will recommend therapy to people of all socioeconomic statuses)
·       There is still possibility for bias, so diverse datasets and open source models can be used to improve this
What is a potential future for mental health treatment that includes AI?
·       Curt described therapy practices being like Pilots and autonomous planes, with the ability to provide oversight, but much less intervention
·       Katie expressed concern about the lack of preparation that therapists have for these dramatic shifts in what our job looks like
Key takeaways from this podcast episode (as curated by Otter.ai)
·       Enhance the training and validation of AI algorithms with diverse datasets that consider intersectionality factors
·       Explore the integration of open-source AI systems to allow for more robust identification and addressing of biases and vulnerabilities
·       Develop educational standards and processes to prepare new therapists for the evolving role of AI in mental healthcare
·       Engage in advocacy and oversight efforts to ensure therapists have a voice in the development and implementation of AI-powered mental health tools

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Approvals:
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Is Artificial Intelligence Bringing Bias into Mental Health Treatment?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the responsibility therapists hold when they use AI applications for their therapy practices. We explore where bias can show up and how AI compares to therapists in acting on biased information. This is a continuing education podcourse.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is Artificial Intelligence Bringing Bias into Mental Health Treatment?
Curt and Katie chat about the responsibility therapists hold when they use AI applications for their therapy practices. We explore where bias can show up and how AI compares to therapists in acting on biased information. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about whether therapists or AI are more biased
With the inclusion of artificial intelligence tools into psychotherapy, there is more access to mental health treatment by a larger portion of the world. This course addresses the question “Do the same biases that exist in in-person delivered psychotherapy exist in AI delivered treatment?” at the awareness, support, and intervention levels of mental health treatment.
How is machine learning used in “AI” for therapists?
·       There are different types of AI used in mental health, machine learning, neural networks, and natural language processing
·       AI can be used for awareness, support, and/or intervention
·       There is a potential for bias within AI models
Where can bias come in when AI models are used in mental health?
·       Source material, like the DSM
·       Human error in the creation
·       Cultural humility and appropriateness
Are human therapists less biased than AI models in diagnosis and mental health intervention?
·       The short answer is no
·       A study shows that ChatGPT is significantly more accurate than physicians in diagnosing depression (95% or greater compared to 42%)
·       ChatGPT is less likely to provide biased recommendations for treatment (i.e., they will recommend therapy to people of all socioeconomic statuses)
·       There is still possibility for bias, so diverse datasets and open source models can be used to improve this
What is a potential future for mental health treatment that includes AI?
·       Curt described therapy practices being like Pilots and autonomous planes, with the ability to provide oversight, but much less intervention
·       Katie expressed concern about the lack of preparation that therapists have for these dramatic shifts in what our job looks like
Key takeaways from this podcast episode (as curated by Otter.ai)
·       Enhance the training and validation of AI algorithms with diverse datasets that consider intersectionality factors
·       Explore the integration of open-source AI systems to allow for more robust identification and addressing of biases and vulnerabilities
·       Develop educational standards and processes to prepare new therapists for the evolving role of AI in mental healthcare
·       Engage in advocacy and oversight efforts to ensure therapists have a voice in the development and implementation of AI-powered mental health tools

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Approvals:
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Is Artificial Intelligence Bringing Bias into Mental Health Treatment?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the responsibility therapists hold when they use AI applications for their therapy practices. We explore where bias can show up and how AI compares to therapists in acting on biased information. This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about whether therapists or AI are more biased</h2><p>With the inclusion of artificial intelligence tools into psychotherapy, there is more access to mental health treatment by a larger portion of the world. This course addresses the question “Do the same biases that exist in in-person delivered psychotherapy exist in AI delivered treatment?” at the awareness, support, and intervention levels of mental health treatment.</p><h3>How is machine learning used in “AI” for therapists?</h3><p>·       There are different types of AI used in mental health, machine learning, neural networks, and natural language processing</p><p>·       AI can be used for awareness, support, and/or intervention</p><p>·       There is a potential for bias within AI models</p><h3>Where can bias come in when AI models are used in mental health?</h3><p>·       Source material, like the DSM</p><p>·       Human error in the creation</p><p>·       Cultural humility and appropriateness</p><h3>Are human therapists less biased than AI models in diagnosis and mental health intervention?</h3><p>·       The short answer is no</p><p>·       A study shows that ChatGPT is significantly more accurate than physicians in diagnosing depression (95% or greater compared to 42%)</p><p>·       ChatGPT is less likely to provide biased recommendations for treatment (i.e., they will recommend therapy to people of all socioeconomic statuses)</p><p>·       There is still possibility for bias, so diverse datasets and open source models can be used to improve this</p><h3>What is a potential future for mental health treatment that includes AI?</h3><p>·       Curt described therapy practices being like Pilots and autonomous planes, with the ability to provide oversight, but much less intervention</p><p>·       Katie expressed concern about the lack of preparation that therapists have for these dramatic shifts in what our job looks like</p><h3>Key takeaways from this podcast episode (as curated by Otter.ai)</h3><p>·       Enhance the training and validation of AI algorithms with diverse datasets that consider intersectionality factors</p><p>·       Explore the integration of open-source AI systems to allow for more robust identification and addressing of biases and vulnerabilities</p><p>·       Develop educational standards and processes to prepare new therapists for the evolving role of AI in mental healthcare</p><p>·       Engage in advocacy and oversight efforts to ensure therapists have a voice in the development and implementation of AI-powered mental health tools</p><h2><br></h2><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><h3>Continuing Education Approvals:</h3><p><a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Why Are So Many Adults Getting Diagnosed with ADHD and Autism?  An interview with Dr. Monica Blied</title>
      <description>Why Are So Many Adults Getting Diagnosed with ADHD and Autism?: An interview with Dr. Monica Blied
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Monica Blied about adults getting diagnosed later in life with Autism and/or ADHD. We look at why people (especially individual assigned female at birth) are getting diagnoses later in life. We also explore skills, strategies, and accommodations to support neurodivergent individuals in navigating life. We also talk about unmasking and helping adults talk with their family members about diagnosis.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we look the trend of adults getting diagnosed with ADHD and Autism
During a recent conference, Katie saw Dr. Blied talking about later in life ADHD and Autism diagnoses and loved what she had to say. We figured it was time to talk some more about neurodivergent adults.
Why is there an uptick in adults getting diagnosed with ADHD and Autism?
·      There is more information that is being shared on social media
·      Therapists and psychologists with ADHD and/or Autism are sharing information more freely
·      Increase in diagnoses in children, leading to other family members getting their own assessments
How can therapists support clients who believe they are neurodivergent, but may not meet the criteria?
·      Exploring what a neurodivergent identity means to the client
·      Provide psychoeducation on some differential diagnosis
·      Seek formal assessment for autism or ADHD
What strategies can therapists utilize in working with clients diagnosed as neurodivergent as an adult?
·      Confirm and validate experience, normalize
·      Somatic exercises to bring clients into their bodies (and out of their brain)
·      Executive functioning skills (e.g., using timers and the pomodoro technique)
·      Premack principles?
·      Use the principle of inertia (start with something small, to get in motion)
·      Understand available workplace accommodations (and where assessors and therapists can support in that process)
·      Learning how to tease out when skills, accommodations, or self-acceptance are needed
·      Support acceptance and unmasking
·      Help clients walk through the grief process that comes with diagnosis
·      Learn about autistic burnout and the 5 S’s from Dr. Joey Lawrence of Neudle Psychology
·      Provide support to clients to talk about diagnosis with their family members

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Why Are So Many Adults Getting Diagnosed with ADHD and Autism? An interview with Dr. Monica Blied</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Monica Blied about adults getting diagnosed later in life with Autism and/or ADHD. We look at why people (especially individual assigned female at birth) are getting diagnoses later in life. We also explore skills, strategies, and accommodations to support neurodivergent individuals in navigating life. We also talk about unmasking and helping adults talk with their family members about diagnosis.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why Are So Many Adults Getting Diagnosed with ADHD and Autism?: An interview with Dr. Monica Blied
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Monica Blied about adults getting diagnosed later in life with Autism and/or ADHD. We look at why people (especially individual assigned female at birth) are getting diagnoses later in life. We also explore skills, strategies, and accommodations to support neurodivergent individuals in navigating life. We also talk about unmasking and helping adults talk with their family members about diagnosis.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we look the trend of adults getting diagnosed with ADHD and Autism
During a recent conference, Katie saw Dr. Blied talking about later in life ADHD and Autism diagnoses and loved what she had to say. We figured it was time to talk some more about neurodivergent adults.
Why is there an uptick in adults getting diagnosed with ADHD and Autism?
·      There is more information that is being shared on social media
·      Therapists and psychologists with ADHD and/or Autism are sharing information more freely
·      Increase in diagnoses in children, leading to other family members getting their own assessments
How can therapists support clients who believe they are neurodivergent, but may not meet the criteria?
·      Exploring what a neurodivergent identity means to the client
·      Provide psychoeducation on some differential diagnosis
·      Seek formal assessment for autism or ADHD
What strategies can therapists utilize in working with clients diagnosed as neurodivergent as an adult?
·      Confirm and validate experience, normalize
·      Somatic exercises to bring clients into their bodies (and out of their brain)
·      Executive functioning skills (e.g., using timers and the pomodoro technique)
·      Premack principles?
·      Use the principle of inertia (start with something small, to get in motion)
·      Understand available workplace accommodations (and where assessors and therapists can support in that process)
·      Learning how to tease out when skills, accommodations, or self-acceptance are needed
·      Support acceptance and unmasking
·      Help clients walk through the grief process that comes with diagnosis
·      Learn about autistic burnout and the 5 S’s from Dr. Joey Lawrence of Neudle Psychology
·      Provide support to clients to talk about diagnosis with their family members

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Why Are So Many Adults Getting Diagnosed with ADHD and Autism?: An interview with Dr. Monica Blied</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Monica Blied about adults getting diagnosed later in life with Autism and/or ADHD. We look at why people (especially individual assigned female at birth) are getting diagnoses later in life. We also explore skills, strategies, and accommodations to support neurodivergent individuals in navigating life. We also talk about unmasking and helping adults talk with their family members about diagnosis.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2><br></h2><h2>In this podcast episode, we look the trend of adults getting diagnosed with ADHD and Autism</h2><p>During a recent conference, Katie saw Dr. Blied talking about later in life ADHD and Autism diagnoses and loved what she had to say. We figured it was time to talk some more about neurodivergent adults.</p><h3>Why is there an uptick in adults getting diagnosed with ADHD and Autism?</h3><p>·      There is more information that is being shared on social media</p><p>·      Therapists and psychologists with ADHD and/or Autism are sharing information more freely</p><p>·      Increase in diagnoses in children, leading to other family members getting their own assessments</p><h3>How can therapists support clients who believe they are neurodivergent, but may not meet the criteria?</h3><p>·      Exploring what a neurodivergent identity means to the client</p><p>·      Provide psychoeducation on some differential diagnosis</p><p>·      Seek formal assessment for autism or ADHD</p><h3>What strategies can therapists utilize in working with clients diagnosed as neurodivergent as an adult?</h3><p>·      Confirm and validate experience, normalize</p><p>·      Somatic exercises to bring clients into their bodies (and out of their brain)</p><p>·      Executive functioning skills (e.g., using timers and the pomodoro technique)</p><p>·      Premack principles?</p><p>·      Use the principle of inertia (start with something small, to get in motion)</p><p>·      Understand available workplace accommodations (and where assessors and therapists can support in that process)</p><p>·      Learning how to tease out when skills, accommodations, or self-acceptance are needed</p><p>·      Support acceptance and unmasking</p><p>·      Help clients walk through the grief process that comes with diagnosis</p><p>·      Learn about autistic burnout and the 5 S’s from Dr. Joey Lawrence of Neudle Psychology</p><p>·      Provide support to clients to talk about diagnosis with their family members</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>AI Therapy is Already Here: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell</title>
      <description>AI Therapy is Already Here: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ben Caldwell about the state of Artificial Intelligence in therapy. We look at the “AI Therapists” that are already working as well as how they are being regulated (or not). We talk about how AI therapy chatbots are being received and likely next steps in innovation. We also explore what “human therapists” can do to protect their practices and address the influx of low cost, always available AI therapy.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at the latest developments in Artificial Intelligence in Mental Health
Our friend Dr. Ben Caldwell has been writing some articles on the current state of AI in therapy. We decided this information needed to come to the podcast, so we invited him back on the podcast.
What is the current state of AI in the therapy profession?
·      There are chatbots providing “therapy” or mental health support
·      Some apps are going the path of becoming registered as a medical device with the FDA, some are staying in the coaching space
Who is regulating AI therapy?
·      Licensing boards for “human therapists” may have no ability to regulate the use of the term therapy by apps, medical devices, or “AI therapists”
·      State legislators may be the avenue for regulation, but there may not be an appetite to do so
·      FDA can regulate apps that get registered as a medical device
Who wants AI therapy?
·      Clients or patients will seek out AI therapy as a very cost-effective and available option for mental health support, also AI therapists will not judge clients and will always remember what clients have said
·      Insurance providers will see AI therapy as a way to expand networks
·      Legislators will likely purchase AI therapy for state and county Medi-caid services as well as support expansion to address mental health shortages
·      Basically, everyone wants AI therapy except for human therapists
What are the concerns about AI therapy?
·      It is only approximating the relationship between therapist and client
·      An AI therapist doesn’t have morals and values, ethics
·      The apps are working only from manualized treatments
·      It may be only psychoeducation, without current ability for deeper work
What can therapists do to protect their practices now that AI therapy is here?
·      Make sure to vet any AI services or applications that you use
·      Shift to services that AI therapy doesn’t provide (like diagnosis, or more niche services with children, families, and couples)
·      Move to overseeing AI as an adjunct to therapy (i.e., “prescribe” a particular chatbot or AI therapist and check in with clients periodically or when the client is in crisis)
·      Work with AI therapy companies to train the AI therapists

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>AI Therapy is Already Here: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ben Caldwell about the state of Artificial Intelligence in therapy. We look at the “AI Therapists” that are already working as well as how they are being regulated (or not). We talk about how AI therapy chatbots are being received and likely next steps in innovation. We also explore what “human therapists” can do to protect their practices and address the influx of low cost, always available AI therapy. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>AI Therapy is Already Here: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ben Caldwell about the state of Artificial Intelligence in therapy. We look at the “AI Therapists” that are already working as well as how they are being regulated (or not). We talk about how AI therapy chatbots are being received and likely next steps in innovation. We also explore what “human therapists” can do to protect their practices and address the influx of low cost, always available AI therapy.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at the latest developments in Artificial Intelligence in Mental Health
Our friend Dr. Ben Caldwell has been writing some articles on the current state of AI in therapy. We decided this information needed to come to the podcast, so we invited him back on the podcast.
What is the current state of AI in the therapy profession?
·      There are chatbots providing “therapy” or mental health support
·      Some apps are going the path of becoming registered as a medical device with the FDA, some are staying in the coaching space
Who is regulating AI therapy?
·      Licensing boards for “human therapists” may have no ability to regulate the use of the term therapy by apps, medical devices, or “AI therapists”
·      State legislators may be the avenue for regulation, but there may not be an appetite to do so
·      FDA can regulate apps that get registered as a medical device
Who wants AI therapy?
·      Clients or patients will seek out AI therapy as a very cost-effective and available option for mental health support, also AI therapists will not judge clients and will always remember what clients have said
·      Insurance providers will see AI therapy as a way to expand networks
·      Legislators will likely purchase AI therapy for state and county Medi-caid services as well as support expansion to address mental health shortages
·      Basically, everyone wants AI therapy except for human therapists
What are the concerns about AI therapy?
·      It is only approximating the relationship between therapist and client
·      An AI therapist doesn’t have morals and values, ethics
·      The apps are working only from manualized treatments
·      It may be only psychoeducation, without current ability for deeper work
What can therapists do to protect their practices now that AI therapy is here?
·      Make sure to vet any AI services or applications that you use
·      Shift to services that AI therapy doesn’t provide (like diagnosis, or more niche services with children, families, and couples)
·      Move to overseeing AI as an adjunct to therapy (i.e., “prescribe” a particular chatbot or AI therapist and check in with clients periodically or when the client is in crisis)
·      Work with AI therapy companies to train the AI therapists

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>AI Therapy is Already Here: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ben Caldwell about the state of Artificial Intelligence in therapy. We look at the “AI Therapists” that are already working as well as how they are being regulated (or not). We talk about how AI therapy chatbots are being received and likely next steps in innovation. We also explore what “human therapists” can do to protect their practices and address the influx of low cost, always available AI therapy.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we look at the latest developments in Artificial Intelligence in Mental Health</h2><p>Our friend Dr. Ben Caldwell has been writing some articles on the current state of AI in therapy. We decided this information needed to come to the podcast, so we invited him back on the podcast.</p><h3>What is the current state of AI in the therapy profession?</h3><p>·      There are chatbots providing “therapy” or mental health support</p><p>·      Some apps are going the path of becoming registered as a medical device with the FDA, some are staying in the coaching space</p><h3>Who is regulating AI therapy?</h3><p>·      Licensing boards for “human therapists” may have no ability to regulate the use of the term therapy by apps, medical devices, or “AI therapists”</p><p>·      State legislators may be the avenue for regulation, but there may not be an appetite to do so</p><p>·      FDA can regulate apps that get registered as a medical device</p><h3>Who wants AI therapy?</h3><p>·      Clients or patients will seek out AI therapy as a very cost-effective and available option for mental health support, also AI therapists will not judge clients and will always remember what clients have said</p><p>·      Insurance providers will see AI therapy as a way to expand networks</p><p>·      Legislators will likely purchase AI therapy for state and county Medi-caid services as well as support expansion to address mental health shortages</p><p>·      Basically, everyone wants AI therapy except for human therapists</p><h3>What are the concerns about AI therapy?</h3><p>·      It is only approximating the relationship between therapist and client</p><p>·      An AI therapist doesn’t have morals and values, ethics</p><p>·      The apps are working only from manualized treatments</p><p>·      It may be only psychoeducation, without current ability for deeper work</p><h3>What can therapists do to protect their practices now that AI therapy is here?</h3><p>·      Make sure to vet any AI services or applications that you use</p><p>·      Shift to services that AI therapy doesn’t provide (like diagnosis, or more niche services with children, families, and couples)</p><p>·      Move to overseeing AI as an adjunct to therapy (i.e., “prescribe” a particular chatbot or AI therapist and check in with clients periodically or when the client is in crisis)</p><p>·      Work with AI therapy companies to train the AI therapists</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Growing Antisemitism in the Therapy Profession: An interview with Halina Brooke, LPC</title>
      <description>Growing Antisemitism in the Therapy Profession: An interview with Halina Brooke, LPC
As part of a double episode release, Curt and Katie interview Halina Brooke, LPC, founder of the Jewish Therapist Collective, about experiences of antisemitism in our profession. We explore the foundations of antisemitism throughout the development and innovation in psychotherapy. We also talk about lived experiences of Jewish therapists of increasing antisemitism since the attacks in Israel on October 7, 2023.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at the increase in antisemitism in the therapist community
In a recent article from Jewish Insider, there are stories about increasing antisemitism in the therapy profession, including in online therapist Facebook groups. We decided to reach out to Jewish Therapist Collective founder, Halina Brooke, LPC, to talk us through what has been happening throughout her time as a therapist as well as the escalation of antisemitism in the past year.
Experiences of Antisemitism in the Therapy Profession
·      The Jewish Therapist Collective has received an increase in calls from clients who are seeking Jewish therapists after October 7, 2023 due to cultural incompetence from non-Jewish therapists
·      Jewish therapists have reported being sidelined or fired from their mental health workplaces due to being Jewish
·      Jewish therapy students report being told that their presence is triggering to non-Jewish therapists
·      Jewish therapists and counselor have reported losses of peer groups due to antisemitism, including affinity groups for intersectional identities
Antisemitic Incidents Within Therapist Facebook Groups
·      Posts targeting “Zionist” therapists have been used to identify Jewish therapists
·      There are lists of “Zionist Therapists” that include only Jewish therapists, potentially ones who have not made political statements about Zionism, that “antiracist” groups are suggesting should not receive any referrals due to their status as “Zionists”
·      These lists appear to solely be lists of Jewish therapists, without including Christian Zionists or others with Zionist beliefs
What do therapists need to know about Jewish Culture and Identity?
·      Multicultural education on Jewish identity in graduate school is insufficient
·      There is as much diversity within the Jewish community as there is between the Jewish and other communities
·      Halina discusses the historical context of Jewish identity and how often they are not seen as part of the dominant majority
·      It is important to seek consultation from Jewish colleagues due to the many nuances and differences
·      Even though many of the founders of psychotherapy are Jewish, there is a lack of inclusion of Jewish identity in multicultural courses
What support is available for Jewish Therapists?
·      The Jewish Therapist Collective provides community and training
·      Halina described the steps that she has taken to hide her Jewishness as well as to find support within the community
Learn more about these resources: jewishtherapists.org

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Growing Antisemitism in the Therapy Profession: An interview with Halina Brooke, LPC</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/a6673e20-6bf0-11ef-8e73-ab70fa612b87/image/220d9ba7132cec084ae05f72896b8e65.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>As part of a double episode release, Curt and Katie interview Halina Brooke, LPC, founder of the Jewish Therapist Collective, about experiences of antisemitism in our profession. We explore the foundations of antisemitism throughout the development and innovation in psychotherapy. We also talk about lived experiences of Jewish therapists of increasing antisemitism since the attacks in Israel on October 7, 2023. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Growing Antisemitism in the Therapy Profession: An interview with Halina Brooke, LPC
As part of a double episode release, Curt and Katie interview Halina Brooke, LPC, founder of the Jewish Therapist Collective, about experiences of antisemitism in our profession. We explore the foundations of antisemitism throughout the development and innovation in psychotherapy. We also talk about lived experiences of Jewish therapists of increasing antisemitism since the attacks in Israel on October 7, 2023.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at the increase in antisemitism in the therapist community
In a recent article from Jewish Insider, there are stories about increasing antisemitism in the therapy profession, including in online therapist Facebook groups. We decided to reach out to Jewish Therapist Collective founder, Halina Brooke, LPC, to talk us through what has been happening throughout her time as a therapist as well as the escalation of antisemitism in the past year.
Experiences of Antisemitism in the Therapy Profession
·      The Jewish Therapist Collective has received an increase in calls from clients who are seeking Jewish therapists after October 7, 2023 due to cultural incompetence from non-Jewish therapists
·      Jewish therapists have reported being sidelined or fired from their mental health workplaces due to being Jewish
·      Jewish therapy students report being told that their presence is triggering to non-Jewish therapists
·      Jewish therapists and counselor have reported losses of peer groups due to antisemitism, including affinity groups for intersectional identities
Antisemitic Incidents Within Therapist Facebook Groups
·      Posts targeting “Zionist” therapists have been used to identify Jewish therapists
·      There are lists of “Zionist Therapists” that include only Jewish therapists, potentially ones who have not made political statements about Zionism, that “antiracist” groups are suggesting should not receive any referrals due to their status as “Zionists”
·      These lists appear to solely be lists of Jewish therapists, without including Christian Zionists or others with Zionist beliefs
What do therapists need to know about Jewish Culture and Identity?
·      Multicultural education on Jewish identity in graduate school is insufficient
·      There is as much diversity within the Jewish community as there is between the Jewish and other communities
·      Halina discusses the historical context of Jewish identity and how often they are not seen as part of the dominant majority
·      It is important to seek consultation from Jewish colleagues due to the many nuances and differences
·      Even though many of the founders of psychotherapy are Jewish, there is a lack of inclusion of Jewish identity in multicultural courses
What support is available for Jewish Therapists?
·      The Jewish Therapist Collective provides community and training
·      Halina described the steps that she has taken to hide her Jewishness as well as to find support within the community
Learn more about these resources: jewishtherapists.org

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Growing Antisemitism in the Therapy Profession: An interview with Halina Brooke, LPC</h1><p>As part of a double episode release, Curt and Katie interview Halina Brooke, LPC, founder of the Jewish Therapist Collective, about experiences of antisemitism in our profession. We explore the foundations of antisemitism throughout the development and innovation in psychotherapy. We also talk about lived experiences of Jewish therapists of increasing antisemitism since the attacks in Israel on October 7, 2023.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we look at the increase in antisemitism in the therapist community</h2><p>In a recent article from Jewish Insider, there are stories about increasing antisemitism in the therapy profession, including in online therapist Facebook groups. We decided to reach out to Jewish Therapist Collective founder, Halina Brooke, LPC, to talk us through what has been happening throughout her time as a therapist as well as the escalation of antisemitism in the past year.</p><h3>Experiences of Antisemitism in the Therapy Profession</h3><p>·      The Jewish Therapist Collective has received an increase in calls from clients who are seeking Jewish therapists after October 7, 2023 due to cultural incompetence from non-Jewish therapists</p><p>·      Jewish therapists have reported being sidelined or fired from their mental health workplaces due to being Jewish</p><p>·      Jewish therapy students report being told that their presence is triggering to non-Jewish therapists</p><p>·      Jewish therapists and counselor have reported losses of peer groups due to antisemitism, including affinity groups for intersectional identities</p><h3>Antisemitic Incidents Within Therapist Facebook Groups</h3><p>·      Posts targeting “Zionist” therapists have been used to identify Jewish therapists</p><p>·      There are lists of “Zionist Therapists” that include only Jewish therapists, potentially ones who have not made political statements about Zionism, that “antiracist” groups are suggesting should not receive any referrals due to their status as “Zionists”</p><p>·      These lists appear to solely be lists of Jewish therapists, without including Christian Zionists or others with Zionist beliefs</p><h3>What do therapists need to know about Jewish Culture and Identity?</h3><p>·      Multicultural education on Jewish identity in graduate school is insufficient</p><p>·      There is as much diversity within the Jewish community as there is between the Jewish and other communities</p><p>·      Halina discusses the historical context of Jewish identity and how often they are not seen as part of the dominant majority</p><p>·      It is important to seek consultation from Jewish colleagues due to the many nuances and differences</p><p>·      Even though many of the founders of psychotherapy are Jewish, there is a lack of inclusion of Jewish identity in multicultural courses</p><h3>What support is available for Jewish Therapists?</h3><p>·      The Jewish Therapist Collective provides community and training</p><p>·      Halina described the steps that she has taken to hide her Jewishness as well as to find support within the community</p><p>Learn more about these resources: jewishtherapists.org</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Exploring the Danger, Trauma, and Grief for a Palestinian Therapist in the United States: An anonymous interview</title>
      <description>Exploring the Danger, Trauma, and Grief for a Palestinian Therapist in the United States: An anonymous interview
As part of a double episode release, Curt and Katie share an anonymous interview with a Palestinian American therapist about their experience in our profession and in the United States both historically and since the attacks in Israel on October 7, 2023. We explore what therapists need to know about Palestine, Palestinian culture, and Palestinians in the diaspora. We also identify additional resources for Palestinian therapists in the diaspora.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at the challenges Palestinian American Therapists face in our communities and our profession
We reached out to Palestinian American colleagues to work to get the perspective of these individuals during the last year as well as historically. Due to safety concerns, our interviewee decided to be interviewed anonymously. Curt and Katie share written interview questions and answers on this episode.
What should therapists know about Palestine, Palestinian Culture, and Palestinians in the diaspora?
·      There is a rich and complex history for Palestinians, deeply tied to experiences of displacement, resilience, and a strong sense of community
·      One of the most significant events in Palestinian history is the Nakba (or catastrophe) which saw the forced displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homeland in 1948. This event has led to intergenerational trauma and collective grief.
·      There are generational differences in the Palestinian experience to be aware of
What has the experience been like over the past year, with heightened awareness of Palestine and the conflict in Gaza?
·      There has been a heightened sense of dread and the ability to remain invisible or avoid the topic has been taken away
·      Safety, even with therapy clients, has been questioned
·      Difficulty balancing denouncing the violence committed by Hamas, while also advocating for Palestinian human rights without being branded a terrorist sympathizer
What do therapists need to know about working with Palestinian clients in the diaspora at this time?
·      Clients may be reluctant to share feelings about the conflict due to the challenges in doing so without judgment or fear for their own safety
·      Therapists need to have an understanding of the conflict and the broader context, to help avoid relying on the emotional labor of the client to educate
·      Palestinians are not a monolith (there are religious, cultural and socioeconomic differences, as well as different reasons for emigration), so it is important to see and connect to the client in front of you
How can therapists in the diaspora navigate global tragedies in their homeland?
·      Seek and Accept Support: Don’t hesitate to reach out for support from colleagues or professional networks. It’s crucial to have spaces where you can share and process your experiences.
·      Engage in Personal Therapy: Utilize personal therapy more actively. Having a space to openly discuss and navigate your identity and feelings can be invaluable, especially when faced with such intense global events.
·      Choose Supportive Communities Wisely: Be discerning about the communities and support networks you engage with. Ensure they offer a safe and respectful space for sharing and discussion and be mindful of how public or anonymous these spaces are.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Exploring the Danger, Trauma, and Grief for a Palestinian Therapist in the United States: An anonymous interview</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>As part of a double episode release, Curt and Katie share an anonymous interview with a Palestinian American therapist about their experience in our profession and in the United States both historically and since the attacks in Israel on October 7, 2023. We explore what therapists need to know about Palestine, Palestinian culture, and Palestinians in the diaspora. We also identify additional resources for Palestinian therapists in the diaspora.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Exploring the Danger, Trauma, and Grief for a Palestinian Therapist in the United States: An anonymous interview
As part of a double episode release, Curt and Katie share an anonymous interview with a Palestinian American therapist about their experience in our profession and in the United States both historically and since the attacks in Israel on October 7, 2023. We explore what therapists need to know about Palestine, Palestinian culture, and Palestinians in the diaspora. We also identify additional resources for Palestinian therapists in the diaspora.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at the challenges Palestinian American Therapists face in our communities and our profession
We reached out to Palestinian American colleagues to work to get the perspective of these individuals during the last year as well as historically. Due to safety concerns, our interviewee decided to be interviewed anonymously. Curt and Katie share written interview questions and answers on this episode.
What should therapists know about Palestine, Palestinian Culture, and Palestinians in the diaspora?
·      There is a rich and complex history for Palestinians, deeply tied to experiences of displacement, resilience, and a strong sense of community
·      One of the most significant events in Palestinian history is the Nakba (or catastrophe) which saw the forced displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homeland in 1948. This event has led to intergenerational trauma and collective grief.
·      There are generational differences in the Palestinian experience to be aware of
What has the experience been like over the past year, with heightened awareness of Palestine and the conflict in Gaza?
·      There has been a heightened sense of dread and the ability to remain invisible or avoid the topic has been taken away
·      Safety, even with therapy clients, has been questioned
·      Difficulty balancing denouncing the violence committed by Hamas, while also advocating for Palestinian human rights without being branded a terrorist sympathizer
What do therapists need to know about working with Palestinian clients in the diaspora at this time?
·      Clients may be reluctant to share feelings about the conflict due to the challenges in doing so without judgment or fear for their own safety
·      Therapists need to have an understanding of the conflict and the broader context, to help avoid relying on the emotional labor of the client to educate
·      Palestinians are not a monolith (there are religious, cultural and socioeconomic differences, as well as different reasons for emigration), so it is important to see and connect to the client in front of you
How can therapists in the diaspora navigate global tragedies in their homeland?
·      Seek and Accept Support: Don’t hesitate to reach out for support from colleagues or professional networks. It’s crucial to have spaces where you can share and process your experiences.
·      Engage in Personal Therapy: Utilize personal therapy more actively. Having a space to openly discuss and navigate your identity and feelings can be invaluable, especially when faced with such intense global events.
·      Choose Supportive Communities Wisely: Be discerning about the communities and support networks you engage with. Ensure they offer a safe and respectful space for sharing and discussion and be mindful of how public or anonymous these spaces are.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Exploring the Danger, Trauma, and Grief for a Palestinian Therapist in the United States: An anonymous interview</h1><p>As part of a double episode release, Curt and Katie share an anonymous interview with a Palestinian American therapist about their experience in our profession and in the United States both historically and since the attacks in Israel on October 7, 2023. We explore what therapists need to know about Palestine, Palestinian culture, and Palestinians in the diaspora. We also identify additional resources for Palestinian therapists in the diaspora.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we look at the challenges Palestinian American Therapists face in our communities and our profession</h2><p>We reached out to Palestinian American colleagues to work to get the perspective of these individuals during the last year as well as historically. Due to safety concerns, our interviewee decided to be interviewed anonymously. Curt and Katie share written interview questions and answers on this episode.</p><h3>What should therapists know about Palestine, Palestinian Culture, and Palestinians in the diaspora?</h3><p>·      There is a rich and complex history for Palestinians, deeply tied to experiences of displacement, resilience, and a strong sense of community</p><p>·      One of the most significant events in Palestinian history is the Nakba (or catastrophe) which saw the forced displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homeland in 1948. This event has led to intergenerational trauma and collective grief.</p><p>·      There are generational differences in the Palestinian experience to be aware of</p><h3>What has the experience been like over the past year, with heightened awareness of Palestine and the conflict in Gaza?</h3><p>·      There has been a heightened sense of dread and the ability to remain invisible or avoid the topic has been taken away</p><p>·      Safety, even with therapy clients, has been questioned</p><p>·      Difficulty balancing denouncing the violence committed by Hamas, while also advocating for Palestinian human rights without being branded a terrorist sympathizer</p><h3>What do therapists need to know about working with Palestinian clients in the diaspora at this time?</h3><p>·      Clients may be reluctant to share feelings about the conflict due to the challenges in doing so without judgment or fear for their own safety</p><p>·      Therapists need to have an understanding of the conflict and the broader context, to help avoid relying on the emotional labor of the client to educate</p><p>·      Palestinians are not a monolith (there are religious, cultural and socioeconomic differences, as well as different reasons for emigration), so it is important to see and connect to the client in front of you</p><h3>How can therapists in the diaspora navigate global tragedies in their homeland?</h3><p>·      Seek and Accept Support: Don’t hesitate to reach out for support from colleagues or professional networks. It’s crucial to have spaces where you can share and process your experiences.</p><p>·      Engage in Personal Therapy: Utilize personal therapy more actively. Having a space to openly discuss and navigate your identity and feelings can be invaluable, especially when faced with such intense global events.</p><p>·      Choose Supportive Communities Wisely: Be discerning about the communities and support networks you engage with. Ensure they offer a safe and respectful space for sharing and discussion and be mindful of how public or anonymous these spaces are.</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Navigating Religious Trauma, Spiritual Abuse, and Lies About God: An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich</title>
      <description>Navigating Religious Trauma, Spiritual Abuse, and Lies About God: An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jamie Marich about her new book coming out in October 2024, You Lied to Me About God. We explore the impacts of religious abuse, Jamie’s personal story of spiritual trauma, and what therapists can miss when working with clients on these topics. We also dig into the idea that therapists can let their clients down when they don’t do their own internal work, address their bias, and show up effectively.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at the impacts of spiritual trauma on therapy clients
We invited our friend, Dr. Jamie Marich, back on the podcast to talk about her story (and her upcoming book) that deals with spiritual abuse, religious trauma, and the lies that have been told "in God's name" that lead to shame and isolation for many of our clients.  
What are the impacts of spiritual abuse and religious trauma?
·      Definition of shame as the lie someone told you about yourself
·      Spiritual abuse goes deeper because the lies are told in God’s name
·      There are big impacts of religious trauma on those in the LGBTQ+ community as well as those who are seeking deep spiritual connection
Looking at the concept of forgiveness within the context of religious and other trauma
·      How forgiveness can be helpful
·      How forgiveness is weaponized within the church and can be harmful
·      Forgiveness is not required, acceptance is a more appropriate goal
How can therapists make sure they are not adding to the harm for clients with religious trauma?
·      Do your own work, so you can approach clients where they are
·      Be authentic, don’t lie to your clients, but don’t bring it up unless asked
·      Seek consultation to enhance your understanding of the client’s situation
·      Cultural humility is key, and don’t rely solely on your clients to be the cultural informant
·      Do not impose your spirituality on your clients, but be open to discussing spirituality
·      Be aware of the power dynamics, so you don’t become the client’s new guru
·      Help clients to find their own answers rather than relying on external authority
Other ideas we touched on in this podcast episode
·      The importance of critical thinking
·      “Therapy cults” that promote adherence to a specific intervention model
·      The challenges of folks seeking compliance and righteousness, rather than taking a nuanced approach to topics and deciding for themselves

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Navigating Religious Trauma, Spiritual Abuse, and Lies About God: An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jamie Marich about her new book coming out in October 2024, You Lied to Me About God. We explore the impacts of religious abuse, Jamie’s personal story of spiritual trauma, and what therapists can miss when working with clients on these topics. We also dig into the idea that therapists can let their clients down when they don’t do their own internal work, address their bias, and show up effectively.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Navigating Religious Trauma, Spiritual Abuse, and Lies About God: An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jamie Marich about her new book coming out in October 2024, You Lied to Me About God. We explore the impacts of religious abuse, Jamie’s personal story of spiritual trauma, and what therapists can miss when working with clients on these topics. We also dig into the idea that therapists can let their clients down when they don’t do their own internal work, address their bias, and show up effectively.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at the impacts of spiritual trauma on therapy clients
We invited our friend, Dr. Jamie Marich, back on the podcast to talk about her story (and her upcoming book) that deals with spiritual abuse, religious trauma, and the lies that have been told "in God's name" that lead to shame and isolation for many of our clients.  
What are the impacts of spiritual abuse and religious trauma?
·      Definition of shame as the lie someone told you about yourself
·      Spiritual abuse goes deeper because the lies are told in God’s name
·      There are big impacts of religious trauma on those in the LGBTQ+ community as well as those who are seeking deep spiritual connection
Looking at the concept of forgiveness within the context of religious and other trauma
·      How forgiveness can be helpful
·      How forgiveness is weaponized within the church and can be harmful
·      Forgiveness is not required, acceptance is a more appropriate goal
How can therapists make sure they are not adding to the harm for clients with religious trauma?
·      Do your own work, so you can approach clients where they are
·      Be authentic, don’t lie to your clients, but don’t bring it up unless asked
·      Seek consultation to enhance your understanding of the client’s situation
·      Cultural humility is key, and don’t rely solely on your clients to be the cultural informant
·      Do not impose your spirituality on your clients, but be open to discussing spirituality
·      Be aware of the power dynamics, so you don’t become the client’s new guru
·      Help clients to find their own answers rather than relying on external authority
Other ideas we touched on in this podcast episode
·      The importance of critical thinking
·      “Therapy cults” that promote adherence to a specific intervention model
·      The challenges of folks seeking compliance and righteousness, rather than taking a nuanced approach to topics and deciding for themselves

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Navigating Religious Trauma, Spiritual Abuse, and Lies About God: An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jamie Marich about her new book coming out in October 2024, You Lied to Me About God. We explore the impacts of religious abuse, Jamie’s personal story of spiritual trauma, and what therapists can miss when working with clients on these topics. We also dig into the idea that therapists can let their clients down when they don’t do their own internal work, address their bias, and show up effectively.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we look at the impacts of spiritual trauma on therapy clients</h2><p>We invited our friend, Dr. Jamie Marich, back on the podcast to talk about her story (and her upcoming book) that deals with spiritual abuse, religious trauma, and the lies that have been told "in God's name" that lead to shame and isolation for many of our clients.  </p><h3>What are the impacts of spiritual abuse and religious trauma?</h3><p>·      Definition of shame as the lie someone told you about yourself</p><p>·      Spiritual abuse goes deeper because the lies are told in God’s name</p><p>·      There are big impacts of religious trauma on those in the LGBTQ+ community as well as those who are seeking deep spiritual connection</p><h3>Looking at the concept of forgiveness within the context of religious and other trauma</h3><p>·      How forgiveness can be helpful</p><p>·      How forgiveness is weaponized within the church and can be harmful</p><p>·      Forgiveness is not required, acceptance is a more appropriate goal</p><h3>How can therapists make sure they are not adding to the harm for clients with religious trauma?</h3><p>·      Do your own work, so you can approach clients where they are</p><p>·      Be authentic, don’t lie to your clients, but don’t bring it up unless asked</p><p>·      Seek consultation to enhance your understanding of the client’s situation</p><p>·      Cultural humility is key, and don’t rely solely on your clients to be the cultural informant</p><p>·      Do not impose your spirituality on your clients, but be open to discussing spirituality</p><p>·      Be aware of the power dynamics, so you don’t become the client’s new guru</p><p>·      Help clients to find their own answers rather than relying on external authority</p><h3>Other ideas we touched on in this podcast episode</h3><p>·      The importance of critical thinking</p><p>·      “Therapy cults” that promote adherence to a specific intervention model</p><p>·      The challenges of folks seeking compliance and righteousness, rather than taking a nuanced approach to topics and deciding for themselves</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Do Therapists Lie to Their Clients?</title>
      <description>Do Therapists Lie to Their Clients?
Curt and Katie chat about whether therapists are dishonest and whether they should be. We received a request from a listener to talk about the idea that therapists lie to their clients. We look at what types of lies are common, whether lying is expected or acceptable, what to do instead, and how to decide whether you will lie or not in session.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk through how, when, and why therapists lie
We received a listener email requesting a discussion on therapist dishonesty and the impact on the therapeutic relationship.
What types of lies might a therapist tell?
·      Whoppers (fraud)
·      Fibs (untruths that support the clinical work or the therapeutic relationship)
·      Omission (concealing facts that impact the client)
·      Deflections (bending the truth for therapeutic effect)
·      Denial (rejecting reality, with positive and negative results)
 Is it good or bad for a therapist to lie?
·      Fraud is never okay, and is illegal and unethical
·      Fibs may be in the best interest of the client OR could be to protect the therapist (which is human, but not really okay)
·      Professionalism, exaggerating/minimizing emotional responses for therapeutic effect, and “social niceties” may be appropriate, but it is important to think about authenticity and whether it will negatively impact the client if they perceive the deception
·      If a client is asking for the therapist’s opinion of them, the context of the client’s treatment agreements and their needs, as well as the therapeutic relationship impact whether a therapists will be best served by honesty or deflecting or denying the truth
What can therapists do when they are tempted to lie to their clients?
·      Make the decision of whether to tell the truth based on the context of the relationship and treatment goals
·      Be more transparent with the client about therapist’s limitations, while also holding hope and accountability to address these limitations
·      Work collaboratively with the client to get to the information or treatment interventions that are needed, rather than working by and for yourself.
·      If you lie to your client and it backfires, work to make repairs (see our episode on “Should Therapists Admit Mistakes?)

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Do Therapists Lie to Their Clients?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about whether therapists are dishonest and whether they should be. We received a request from a listener to talk about the idea that therapists lie to their clients. We look at what types of lies are common, whether lying is expected or acceptable, what to do instead, and how to decide whether you will lie or not in session. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Do Therapists Lie to Their Clients?
Curt and Katie chat about whether therapists are dishonest and whether they should be. We received a request from a listener to talk about the idea that therapists lie to their clients. We look at what types of lies are common, whether lying is expected or acceptable, what to do instead, and how to decide whether you will lie or not in session.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk through how, when, and why therapists lie
We received a listener email requesting a discussion on therapist dishonesty and the impact on the therapeutic relationship.
What types of lies might a therapist tell?
·      Whoppers (fraud)
·      Fibs (untruths that support the clinical work or the therapeutic relationship)
·      Omission (concealing facts that impact the client)
·      Deflections (bending the truth for therapeutic effect)
·      Denial (rejecting reality, with positive and negative results)
 Is it good or bad for a therapist to lie?
·      Fraud is never okay, and is illegal and unethical
·      Fibs may be in the best interest of the client OR could be to protect the therapist (which is human, but not really okay)
·      Professionalism, exaggerating/minimizing emotional responses for therapeutic effect, and “social niceties” may be appropriate, but it is important to think about authenticity and whether it will negatively impact the client if they perceive the deception
·      If a client is asking for the therapist’s opinion of them, the context of the client’s treatment agreements and their needs, as well as the therapeutic relationship impact whether a therapists will be best served by honesty or deflecting or denying the truth
What can therapists do when they are tempted to lie to their clients?
·      Make the decision of whether to tell the truth based on the context of the relationship and treatment goals
·      Be more transparent with the client about therapist’s limitations, while also holding hope and accountability to address these limitations
·      Work collaboratively with the client to get to the information or treatment interventions that are needed, rather than working by and for yourself.
·      If you lie to your client and it backfires, work to make repairs (see our episode on “Should Therapists Admit Mistakes?)

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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      <title>Welcome to Therapist Grad School!</title>
      <description>Welcome to Therapist Grad School!
Curt and Katie chat about what the career is like, what is important to know starting out in grad school. We look at what prospective therapists need to know as they enter school, including hard truths and tips for social support. We also talk about what changes are needed in the profession and how students and new therapists can navigate these challenges. We provide suggestions on how to best take advantage of the opportunities in graduate school. We also unveiled a new project for the podcast.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk through what the therapist career is like
We decided to talk through what it is like to be a therapist and how to best navigate your grad school education.
What do prospective therapists need to know as they enter grad school?
·      Grad school doesn’t cover all that you’ll need to know to be an effective therapist
·      Lived experience is valid and definitely informs your work
·      It is important to assess what you already know, what you need to unlearn, what interventions you can add to what you already know
·      Learning how to be a “safe therapist” is not the same as learning to be a “good therapist”
·      Theories and orientations are foundational, but you can’t know them all
·      Once you graduate, that’s when you actually start learning how to be a therapist
What can grad school students and new therapists expect regarding needed changes in the profession?
·      Changes may happen, but slowly
·      There can be times for advocacy to help increase the sustainability of the practice
·      You don’t need to worry about getting a job immediately, but you can start working with clients or in the field, if you would like or need to do so financially
·      There are a number of students who burnout before graduation, so pay attention to your capacity and self-care practices
What opportunities are important to take advantage of while you are in grad school for therapy?
·      Consider taking the hardest or more complex practicum sites to learn how to work with the most challenging populations
·      Volunteer to do roll plays and risk making mistakes in your classes
·      Make mistakes while you are a student and prelicensed individual to get the supervision and oversight, to learn from these mistakes
What are some hard truths about becoming a therapist?
·      The therapy profession is not for everyone
·      Not all students will make it through to graduation or to licensure (whether by choice or not)
·      Grad schools are not always transparent with how long it will take to get through the program, whether you will have support in getting a practicum site
·      The entry level jobs in the field may not pay very well (i.e., some are at or only slightly above minimum wage)
·      There is a risk of becoming disillusioned by the state of the world and the profession
What are the social elements of becoming a therapist?
·      If you’re only friends and socializing with therapists, your view of the world may become more limited
·      There can be echo chambers, especially around social justice topics within mental health
·      Having friends who are therapists, so you can have the validation and understanding of other therapists
·      Socialization can be too focused on alcohol-forward events. It is important to find other ways to socialize to avoid the risks of substance abuse and dependence, especially as therapists are held to a higher standard through licensure
·      Take responsibility for self-care/self-maintenance
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Welcome to Therapist Grad School!</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about what the career is like, what is important to know starting out in grad school. We look at what prospective therapists need to know as they enter school, including hard truths and tips for social support. We also talk about what changes are needed in the profession and how students and new therapists can navigate these challenges. We provide suggestions on how to best take advantage of the opportunities in graduate school. We also unveiled a new project for the podcast.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Welcome to Therapist Grad School!
Curt and Katie chat about what the career is like, what is important to know starting out in grad school. We look at what prospective therapists need to know as they enter school, including hard truths and tips for social support. We also talk about what changes are needed in the profession and how students and new therapists can navigate these challenges. We provide suggestions on how to best take advantage of the opportunities in graduate school. We also unveiled a new project for the podcast.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk through what the therapist career is like
We decided to talk through what it is like to be a therapist and how to best navigate your grad school education.
What do prospective therapists need to know as they enter grad school?
·      Grad school doesn’t cover all that you’ll need to know to be an effective therapist
·      Lived experience is valid and definitely informs your work
·      It is important to assess what you already know, what you need to unlearn, what interventions you can add to what you already know
·      Learning how to be a “safe therapist” is not the same as learning to be a “good therapist”
·      Theories and orientations are foundational, but you can’t know them all
·      Once you graduate, that’s when you actually start learning how to be a therapist
What can grad school students and new therapists expect regarding needed changes in the profession?
·      Changes may happen, but slowly
·      There can be times for advocacy to help increase the sustainability of the practice
·      You don’t need to worry about getting a job immediately, but you can start working with clients or in the field, if you would like or need to do so financially
·      There are a number of students who burnout before graduation, so pay attention to your capacity and self-care practices
What opportunities are important to take advantage of while you are in grad school for therapy?
·      Consider taking the hardest or more complex practicum sites to learn how to work with the most challenging populations
·      Volunteer to do roll plays and risk making mistakes in your classes
·      Make mistakes while you are a student and prelicensed individual to get the supervision and oversight, to learn from these mistakes
What are some hard truths about becoming a therapist?
·      The therapy profession is not for everyone
·      Not all students will make it through to graduation or to licensure (whether by choice or not)
·      Grad schools are not always transparent with how long it will take to get through the program, whether you will have support in getting a practicum site
·      The entry level jobs in the field may not pay very well (i.e., some are at or only slightly above minimum wage)
·      There is a risk of becoming disillusioned by the state of the world and the profession
What are the social elements of becoming a therapist?
·      If you’re only friends and socializing with therapists, your view of the world may become more limited
·      There can be echo chambers, especially around social justice topics within mental health
·      Having friends who are therapists, so you can have the validation and understanding of other therapists
·      Socialization can be too focused on alcohol-forward events. It is important to find other ways to socialize to avoid the risks of substance abuse and dependence, especially as therapists are held to a higher standard through licensure
·      Take responsibility for self-care/self-maintenance
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Welcome to Therapist Grad School!</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about what the career is like, what is important to know starting out in grad school. We look at what prospective therapists need to know as they enter school, including hard truths and tips for social support. We also talk about what changes are needed in the profession and how students and new therapists can navigate these challenges. We provide suggestions on how to best take advantage of the opportunities in graduate school. We also unveiled a new project for the podcast.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk through what the therapist career is like</h2><p>We decided to talk through what it is like to be a therapist and how to best navigate your grad school education.</p><h3>What do prospective therapists need to know as they enter grad school?</h3><p>·      Grad school doesn’t cover all that you’ll need to know to be an effective therapist</p><p>·      Lived experience is valid and definitely informs your work</p><p>·      It is important to assess what you already know, what you need to unlearn, what interventions you can add to what you already know</p><p>·      Learning how to be a “safe therapist” is not the same as learning to be a “good therapist”</p><p>·      Theories and orientations are foundational, but you can’t know them all</p><p>·      Once you graduate, that’s when you actually start learning how to be a therapist</p><h3>What can grad school students and new therapists expect regarding needed changes in the profession?</h3><p>·      Changes may happen, but slowly</p><p>·      There can be times for advocacy to help increase the sustainability of the practice</p><p>·      You don’t need to worry about getting a job immediately, but you can start working with clients or in the field, if you would like or need to do so financially</p><p>·      There are a number of students who burnout before graduation, so pay attention to your capacity and self-care practices</p><h3>What opportunities are important to take advantage of while you are in grad school for therapy?</h3><p>·      Consider taking the hardest or more complex practicum sites to learn how to work with the most challenging populations</p><p>·      Volunteer to do roll plays and risk making mistakes in your classes</p><p>·      Make mistakes while you are a student and prelicensed individual to get the supervision and oversight, to learn from these mistakes</p><h3>What are some hard truths about becoming a therapist?</h3><p>·      The therapy profession is not for everyone</p><p>·      Not all students will make it through to graduation or to licensure (whether by choice or not)</p><p>·      Grad schools are not always transparent with how long it will take to get through the program, whether you will have support in getting a practicum site</p><p>·      The entry level jobs in the field may not pay very well (i.e., some are at or only slightly above minimum wage)</p><p>·      There is a risk of becoming disillusioned by the state of the world and the profession</p><h3>What are the social elements of becoming a therapist?</h3><p>·      If you’re only friends and socializing with therapists, your view of the world may become more limited</p><p>·      There can be echo chambers, especially around social justice topics within mental health</p><p>·      Having friends who are therapists, so you can have the validation and understanding of other therapists</p><p>·      Socialization can be too focused on alcohol-forward events. It is important to find other ways to socialize to avoid the risks of substance abuse and dependence, especially as therapists are held to a higher standard through licensure</p><p>·      Take responsibility for self-care/self-maintenance</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Are Therapist Conferences Elitist? An interview with Linda Thai, LMSW</title>
      <description>Are Therapist Conferences Elitist? An interview with Linda Thai, LMSW
Curt and Katie interview Linda Thai on her experiences as a conference attendee, keynote speaker, and educator. We discussed the need for more accessible, community-centric, and culturally humble education as well as how to more effectively share knowledge. The limitations of traditional educational models (which Linda calls the Continuing Education Industrial Complex) are discussed as well as how conferences can be exclusive or elitist. We explore how to best access continuing education and take advantage of all types of educational opportunities.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at how privilege and elitism show up in therapist conferences.
Katie recently took one of Linda Thai’s courses and was fascinated by the way that she was able to make an engaging virtual course. We reached out and requested she share her wisdom with us and we found ourselves talking about the nature of continuing education.  
Why should therapists attend (or not attend) mental health conferences?
·      If you understand what type of conference you are attending and take advantage of that opportunity (to learn, build community, or something else) attending mental health conferences can be beneficial to therapists
·      There can be an inherent elitism in conferences, both in who is able to comfortably attend as well as who can participate as speakers or in supporting conferences
·      Continuing education can also have bias and privilege white (typically female) therapists, especially those who have been in private practice for many years.
·      Conferences are often events designed to inspire and create community, the learning experiences may not be as deep as therapists need to truly get what they need as clinicians
What are the primary concerns in continuing education for mental health professionals?
·      What qualifies as continuing education seems limited (i.e., lived experience is discounted as valid education)
·      There is a bureaucracy within continuing education approval that makes it difficult for speakers and conference hosts to be able to allow for interactivity and emergence within the workshops
·      Too often the same speakers are elevated and there is a need to center lived experience and marginalized voices to co-create collective learning and liberation

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Are Therapist Conferences Elitist? An interview with Linda Thai, LMSW</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/c9e54bde-5aa3-11ef-9945-e71ff16419f0/image/dd6c755ab81819fb622f0119a3ef9f9e.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Linda Thai on her experiences as a conference attendee, keynote speaker, and educator. We discussed the need for more accessible, community-centric, and culturally humble education as well as how to more effectively share knowledge. The limitations of traditional educational models (which Linda calls the Continuing Education Industrial Complex) are discussed as well as how conferences can be exclusive or elitist. We explore how to best access continuing education and take advantage of all types of educational opportunities.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Are Therapist Conferences Elitist? An interview with Linda Thai, LMSW
Curt and Katie interview Linda Thai on her experiences as a conference attendee, keynote speaker, and educator. We discussed the need for more accessible, community-centric, and culturally humble education as well as how to more effectively share knowledge. The limitations of traditional educational models (which Linda calls the Continuing Education Industrial Complex) are discussed as well as how conferences can be exclusive or elitist. We explore how to best access continuing education and take advantage of all types of educational opportunities.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at how privilege and elitism show up in therapist conferences.
Katie recently took one of Linda Thai’s courses and was fascinated by the way that she was able to make an engaging virtual course. We reached out and requested she share her wisdom with us and we found ourselves talking about the nature of continuing education.  
Why should therapists attend (or not attend) mental health conferences?
·      If you understand what type of conference you are attending and take advantage of that opportunity (to learn, build community, or something else) attending mental health conferences can be beneficial to therapists
·      There can be an inherent elitism in conferences, both in who is able to comfortably attend as well as who can participate as speakers or in supporting conferences
·      Continuing education can also have bias and privilege white (typically female) therapists, especially those who have been in private practice for many years.
·      Conferences are often events designed to inspire and create community, the learning experiences may not be as deep as therapists need to truly get what they need as clinicians
What are the primary concerns in continuing education for mental health professionals?
·      What qualifies as continuing education seems limited (i.e., lived experience is discounted as valid education)
·      There is a bureaucracy within continuing education approval that makes it difficult for speakers and conference hosts to be able to allow for interactivity and emergence within the workshops
·      Too often the same speakers are elevated and there is a need to center lived experience and marginalized voices to co-create collective learning and liberation

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Are Therapist Conferences Elitist? An interview with Linda Thai, LMSW</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Linda Thai on her experiences as a conference attendee, keynote speaker, and educator. We discussed the need for more accessible, community-centric, and culturally humble education as well as how to more effectively share knowledge. The limitations of traditional educational models (which Linda calls the Continuing Education Industrial Complex) are discussed as well as how conferences can be exclusive or elitist. We explore how to best access continuing education and take advantage of all types of educational opportunities.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we look at how privilege and elitism show up in therapist conferences.</h2><p>Katie recently took one of Linda Thai’s courses and was fascinated by the way that she was able to make an engaging virtual course. We reached out and requested she share her wisdom with us and we found ourselves talking about the nature of continuing education.  </p><h3>Why should therapists attend (or not attend) mental health conferences?</h3><p>·      If you understand what type of conference you are attending and take advantage of that opportunity (to learn, build community, or something else) attending mental health conferences can be beneficial to therapists</p><p>·      There can be an inherent elitism in conferences, both in who is able to comfortably attend as well as who can participate as speakers or in supporting conferences</p><p>·      Continuing education can also have bias and privilege white (typically female) therapists, especially those who have been in private practice for many years.</p><p>·      Conferences are often events designed to inspire and create community, the learning experiences may not be as deep as therapists need to truly get what they need as clinicians</p><h3>What are the primary concerns in continuing education for mental health professionals?</h3><p>·      What qualifies as continuing education seems limited (i.e., lived experience is discounted as valid education)</p><p>·      There is a bureaucracy within continuing education approval that makes it difficult for speakers and conference hosts to be able to allow for interactivity and emergence within the workshops</p><p>·      Too often the same speakers are elevated and there is a need to center lived experience and marginalized voices to co-create collective learning and liberation</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How Much is Too Much? Thoughts on therapists being too branded, niched, and political</title>
      <description>How Much is Too Much? Thoughts on therapists being too branded, niched, and political
Curt and Katie chat about the delicate balance between authenticity and influence in therapy, with a focus on avoiding bias and discrimination while still being real people. We also navigate the challenges of political discussions in therapy, emphasizing the need to balance political awareness with client needs and goals.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore the risks of bringing too much of your own beliefs into your work as a therapist
We have been rethinking the conversations we’ve had about blank slate and the Brand Called You. We look at the risks of being too branded or niched, or too political. We also talk about what might be more beneficial for clients, without losing the work toward authenticity and real connections as therapists.
Do therapists bring too much of themselves into their work?

Curt and Katie did a CE presentation and then an episode called the Brand Called You, which talks about how to create personal branding as a therapist to refine who seeks you out for therapy

When you bring yourself into the therapy room, you want to assess for bias and discrimination

If you’ve advertised a specific type of treatment or, especially, a specific type of outcome, you may be unduly influencing clients who may not know if that outcome is right for them

How can therapists be “political” without just talking politics or inappropriately influencing their clients?

Therapists can successfully navigate political discussions in therapy to benefit clients.

It is important to distinguish between political in therapy (systemic pressures, opportunities, access) vs pushing viewpoints (talking about politics, biased)

Discussions about the limitations of resources or systemic pressures are political

Conversations about voting for a particular party would be talking politics

Helping clients to look at things from a different viewpoint may be helpful, but only if you assess your own bias and the client’s readiness

It can be challenging to be a political therapist, clients may feel uncomfortable or resistant to discussing political issues in therapy

What can therapists do to balance branding and authenticity with effective client care?

Tailor your client sessions to their needs and perspectives and values

Consider providing additional referral resources for clients whose goals do not directly align with a therapist's specialized approach.

Evaluate whether strongly branding oneself risks prioritizing showing one's values over directly addressing what clients are asking for in therapy.

Assess the efficacy of your treatment for the client in front of you.

Make sure even clients who resonate strongly with a therapist's approach are empowered to think critically and come to their own conclusions.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How Much is Too Much? Thoughts on therapists being too branded, niched, and political</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the delicate balance between authenticity and influence in therapy, with a focus on avoiding bias and discrimination while still being real people. We also navigate the challenges of political discussions in therapy, emphasizing the need to balance political awareness with client needs and goals. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Much is Too Much? Thoughts on therapists being too branded, niched, and political
Curt and Katie chat about the delicate balance between authenticity and influence in therapy, with a focus on avoiding bias and discrimination while still being real people. We also navigate the challenges of political discussions in therapy, emphasizing the need to balance political awareness with client needs and goals.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore the risks of bringing too much of your own beliefs into your work as a therapist
We have been rethinking the conversations we’ve had about blank slate and the Brand Called You. We look at the risks of being too branded or niched, or too political. We also talk about what might be more beneficial for clients, without losing the work toward authenticity and real connections as therapists.
Do therapists bring too much of themselves into their work?

Curt and Katie did a CE presentation and then an episode called the Brand Called You, which talks about how to create personal branding as a therapist to refine who seeks you out for therapy

When you bring yourself into the therapy room, you want to assess for bias and discrimination

If you’ve advertised a specific type of treatment or, especially, a specific type of outcome, you may be unduly influencing clients who may not know if that outcome is right for them

How can therapists be “political” without just talking politics or inappropriately influencing their clients?

Therapists can successfully navigate political discussions in therapy to benefit clients.

It is important to distinguish between political in therapy (systemic pressures, opportunities, access) vs pushing viewpoints (talking about politics, biased)

Discussions about the limitations of resources or systemic pressures are political

Conversations about voting for a particular party would be talking politics

Helping clients to look at things from a different viewpoint may be helpful, but only if you assess your own bias and the client’s readiness

It can be challenging to be a political therapist, clients may feel uncomfortable or resistant to discussing political issues in therapy

What can therapists do to balance branding and authenticity with effective client care?

Tailor your client sessions to their needs and perspectives and values

Consider providing additional referral resources for clients whose goals do not directly align with a therapist's specialized approach.

Evaluate whether strongly branding oneself risks prioritizing showing one's values over directly addressing what clients are asking for in therapy.

Assess the efficacy of your treatment for the client in front of you.

Make sure even clients who resonate strongly with a therapist's approach are empowered to think critically and come to their own conclusions.


Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How Much is Too Much? Thoughts on therapists being too branded, niched, and political</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the delicate balance between authenticity and influence in therapy, with a focus on avoiding bias and discrimination while still being real people. We also navigate the challenges of political discussions in therapy, emphasizing the need to balance political awareness with client needs and goals.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we explore the risks of bringing too much of your own beliefs into your work as a therapist</h2><p>We have been rethinking the conversations we’ve had about blank slate and the Brand Called You. We look at the risks of being too branded or niched, or too political. We also talk about what might be more beneficial for clients, without losing the work toward authenticity and real connections as therapists.</p><h3>Do therapists bring too much of themselves into their work?</h3><ul>
<li>Curt and Katie did a CE presentation and then an episode called the Brand Called You, which talks about how to create personal branding as a therapist to refine who seeks you out for therapy</li>
<li>When you bring yourself into the therapy room, you want to assess for bias and discrimination</li>
<li>If you’ve advertised a specific type of treatment or, especially, a specific type of outcome, you may be unduly influencing clients who may not know if that outcome is right for them</li>
</ul><h3>How can therapists be “political” without just talking politics or inappropriately influencing their clients?</h3><ul>
<li>Therapists can successfully navigate political discussions in therapy to benefit clients.</li>
<li>It is important to distinguish between political in therapy (systemic pressures, opportunities, access) vs pushing viewpoints (talking about politics, biased)</li>
<li>Discussions about the limitations of resources or systemic pressures are political</li>
<li>Conversations about voting for a particular party would be talking politics</li>
<li>Helping clients to look at things from a different viewpoint may be helpful, but only if you assess your own bias and the client’s readiness</li>
<li>It can be challenging to be a political therapist, clients may feel uncomfortable or resistant to discussing political issues in therapy</li>
</ul><h3>What can therapists do to balance branding and authenticity with effective client care?</h3><ul>
<li>Tailor your client sessions to their needs and perspectives and values</li>
<li>Consider providing additional referral resources for clients whose goals do not directly align with a therapist's specialized approach.</li>
<li>Evaluate whether strongly branding oneself risks prioritizing showing one's values over directly addressing what clients are asking for in therapy.</li>
<li>Assess the efficacy of your treatment for the client in front of you.</li>
<li>Make sure even clients who resonate strongly with a therapist's approach are empowered to think critically and come to their own conclusions.</li>
</ul><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How Can Therapists Help Politically Divided Families: An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT</title>
      <description>How Can Therapists Help Politically Divided Families? : An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Angela Caldwell, LMFT about family therapy for politically divided families. We explore what therapists get wrong when working with these families as well as what works better. Angela talks us through the goals for family therapy, how to move families from trying to convince each other to understanding each other better, and the importance of distress tolerance and finding ways for families to survive, even when members strongly disagree with each other.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can work with politically divided families
During the run up to the 2024 US presidential election, we are seeing more and more political division, even in families. We reached out to our good friend Angela Caldwell, LMFT, to talk through how therapists can support families during this challenging time. 
What do therapists get wrong when working with politically divided families?
·      Therapists inaccurately agree with families that the goal is either communication skills or getting consensus
·      The goals for family therapy are increasing tolerance for differing opinions and sustaining relationships even when you disagree
How can therapists address the societal messages that negatively impact relationships?
·      Modeling holding affection while disagreeing on viewpoints
·      Hold sacred that everyone in the room has come to their viewpoint honestly
·      Focus on the why for the positions people take
·      Listen for and mark trigger words to help “opposing party” to stay with the explanation of viewpoint
·      Soften the relationship through understanding
What can therapists do if clients feel frightened of the beliefs of their family members?
·      Explore perspective and increase clarity on the real anxious feelings
·      Find common ground related to hopes for the world
·      Work on distress tolerance with the anxious feelings
·      Hold the moment of anxiety and then move to reassurance (i.e., that the relationship can survive opposing viewpoints)
What does the work of family therapy look like with politically divided families?
·      Set reasonable expectations
·      Make sure to give pep talks
·      Plan and promise for the next session before ending the previous session
·      Personal connection between sessions (like short texts)
·      Don’t play “gotcha” when someone is wrong
·      Set ground rules at the beginning of therapy related to showing source material for viewpoints

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How Can Therapists Help Politically Divided Families: An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/6e9a4bfc-4f96-11ef-ad23-afc70d8dc72e/image/908355c17155a01a4c93942142dab517.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Angela Caldwell, LMFT about family therapy for politically divided families. We explore what therapists get wrong when working with these families as well as what works better. Angela talks us through the goals for family therapy, how to move families from trying to convince each other to understanding each other better, and the importance of distress tolerance and finding ways for families to survive, even when members strongly disagree with each other.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Can Therapists Help Politically Divided Families? : An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Angela Caldwell, LMFT about family therapy for politically divided families. We explore what therapists get wrong when working with these families as well as what works better. Angela talks us through the goals for family therapy, how to move families from trying to convince each other to understanding each other better, and the importance of distress tolerance and finding ways for families to survive, even when members strongly disagree with each other.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can work with politically divided families
During the run up to the 2024 US presidential election, we are seeing more and more political division, even in families. We reached out to our good friend Angela Caldwell, LMFT, to talk through how therapists can support families during this challenging time. 
What do therapists get wrong when working with politically divided families?
·      Therapists inaccurately agree with families that the goal is either communication skills or getting consensus
·      The goals for family therapy are increasing tolerance for differing opinions and sustaining relationships even when you disagree
How can therapists address the societal messages that negatively impact relationships?
·      Modeling holding affection while disagreeing on viewpoints
·      Hold sacred that everyone in the room has come to their viewpoint honestly
·      Focus on the why for the positions people take
·      Listen for and mark trigger words to help “opposing party” to stay with the explanation of viewpoint
·      Soften the relationship through understanding
What can therapists do if clients feel frightened of the beliefs of their family members?
·      Explore perspective and increase clarity on the real anxious feelings
·      Find common ground related to hopes for the world
·      Work on distress tolerance with the anxious feelings
·      Hold the moment of anxiety and then move to reassurance (i.e., that the relationship can survive opposing viewpoints)
What does the work of family therapy look like with politically divided families?
·      Set reasonable expectations
·      Make sure to give pep talks
·      Plan and promise for the next session before ending the previous session
·      Personal connection between sessions (like short texts)
·      Don’t play “gotcha” when someone is wrong
·      Set ground rules at the beginning of therapy related to showing source material for viewpoints

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How Can Therapists Help Politically Divided Families? : An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Angela Caldwell, LMFT about family therapy for politically divided families. We explore what therapists get wrong when working with these families as well as what works better. Angela talks us through the goals for family therapy, how to move families from trying to convince each other to understanding each other better, and the importance of distress tolerance and finding ways for families to survive, even when members strongly disagree with each other.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can work with politically divided families</h2><p>During the run up to the 2024 US presidential election, we are seeing more and more political division, even in families. We reached out to our good friend Angela Caldwell, LMFT, to talk through how therapists can support families during this challenging time. </p><h3>What do therapists get wrong when working with politically divided families?</h3><p>·      Therapists inaccurately agree with families that the goal is either communication skills or getting consensus</p><p>·      The goals for family therapy are increasing tolerance for differing opinions and sustaining relationships even when you disagree</p><h3>How can therapists address the societal messages that negatively impact relationships?</h3><p>·      Modeling holding affection while disagreeing on viewpoints</p><p>·      Hold sacred that everyone in the room has come to their viewpoint honestly</p><p>·      Focus on the why for the positions people take</p><p>·      Listen for and mark trigger words to help “opposing party” to stay with the explanation of viewpoint</p><p>·      Soften the relationship through understanding</p><h3>What can therapists do if clients feel frightened of the beliefs of their family members?</h3><p>·      Explore perspective and increase clarity on the real anxious feelings</p><p>·      Find common ground related to hopes for the world</p><p>·      Work on distress tolerance with the anxious feelings</p><p>·      Hold the moment of anxiety and then move to reassurance (i.e., that the relationship can survive opposing viewpoints)</p><h3>What does the work of family therapy look like with politically divided families?</h3><p>·      Set reasonable expectations</p><p>·      Make sure to give pep talks</p><p>·      Plan and promise for the next session before ending the previous session</p><p>·      Personal connection between sessions (like short texts)</p><p>·      Don’t play “gotcha” when someone is wrong</p><p>·      Set ground rules at the beginning of therapy related to showing source material for viewpoints</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Beyond Being a Therapist is Hard Work: Curt and Katie respond to listener feedback</title>
      <description>Beyond "Being a Therapist is Hard Work": Curt and Katie respond to listener feedback
Curt and Katie received feedback on a recent episode, Don’t Let Tik Tok Fool You: Being a therapist is hard work, an interview with Anita Avedian and Sandra Kushnir. We talk through the feedback that the perspective was too one-sided (primarily from the employer angle) and that it was too much in support of the status quo. We share our perspectives as well as how big of a challenge we’re facing as a profession to become sustainable. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the challenges of making the therapy profession more sustainable
We received a lot of feedback about our episode with Anita Avedian and Sandra Kushnir. We decided it was worth addressing the feedback directly and continue the conversation.
Why is there a tension between experienced and new mental health professionals?
·      The “necessary” tension between those who support what is and those who advocate for what should be
·      Supervisors or managers who reinforce what has been seen to be unsustainable in the field
·      New clinicians coming in and advocating for things to be better and more sustainable
·      The challenge with innovating when the system has burned someone out
What are the primary challenges in the therapy profession in 2024?
·      Burnout
·      Lower pay (that is not keeping up with inflation)
·      A workload that seems unsustainable, especially to newer clinicians
What can therapists do to improve their profession?
·      Read Saving Psychotherapy by Dr. Ben Caldwell
·      Look for opportunities to reimagine the field, by looking at other sectors (or disruptors in the field like technology)
·      Support advocacy efforts through unions, professional associations, or lobbying legislators

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Beyond Being a Therapist is Hard Work: Curt and Katie respond to listener feedback</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/56006e46-4ec4-11ef-8437-039253903088/image/d4091103004ff875892be2fab81d9125.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie received feedback on a recent episode, Don’t Let Tik Tok Fool You: Being a therapist is hard work, an interview with Anita Avedian and Sandra Kushnir. We talk through the feedback that the perspective was too one-sided (primarily from the employer angle) and that it was too much in support of the status quo. We share our perspectives as well as how big of a challenge we’re facing as a profession to become sustainable.  </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Beyond "Being a Therapist is Hard Work": Curt and Katie respond to listener feedback
Curt and Katie received feedback on a recent episode, Don’t Let Tik Tok Fool You: Being a therapist is hard work, an interview with Anita Avedian and Sandra Kushnir. We talk through the feedback that the perspective was too one-sided (primarily from the employer angle) and that it was too much in support of the status quo. We share our perspectives as well as how big of a challenge we’re facing as a profession to become sustainable. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the challenges of making the therapy profession more sustainable
We received a lot of feedback about our episode with Anita Avedian and Sandra Kushnir. We decided it was worth addressing the feedback directly and continue the conversation.
Why is there a tension between experienced and new mental health professionals?
·      The “necessary” tension between those who support what is and those who advocate for what should be
·      Supervisors or managers who reinforce what has been seen to be unsustainable in the field
·      New clinicians coming in and advocating for things to be better and more sustainable
·      The challenge with innovating when the system has burned someone out
What are the primary challenges in the therapy profession in 2024?
·      Burnout
·      Lower pay (that is not keeping up with inflation)
·      A workload that seems unsustainable, especially to newer clinicians
What can therapists do to improve their profession?
·      Read Saving Psychotherapy by Dr. Ben Caldwell
·      Look for opportunities to reimagine the field, by looking at other sectors (or disruptors in the field like technology)
·      Support advocacy efforts through unions, professional associations, or lobbying legislators

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Beyond "Being a Therapist is Hard Work": Curt and Katie respond to listener feedback</h1><p>Curt and Katie received feedback on a recent episode, Don’t Let Tik Tok Fool You: Being a therapist is hard work, an interview with Anita Avedian and Sandra Kushnir. We talk through the feedback that the perspective was too one-sided (primarily from the employer angle) and that it was too much in support of the status quo. We share our perspectives as well as how big of a challenge we’re facing as a profession to become sustainable. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about the challenges of making the therapy profession more sustainable</h2><p>We received a lot of feedback about our episode with Anita Avedian and Sandra Kushnir. We decided it was worth addressing the feedback directly and continue the conversation.</p><h3>Why is there a tension between experienced and new mental health professionals?</h3><p>·      The “necessary” tension between those who support what is and those who advocate for what should be</p><p>·      Supervisors or managers who reinforce what has been seen to be unsustainable in the field</p><p>·      New clinicians coming in and advocating for things to be better and more sustainable</p><p>·      The challenge with innovating when the system has burned someone out</p><h3>What are the primary challenges in the therapy profession in 2024?</h3><p>·      Burnout</p><p>·      Lower pay (that is not keeping up with inflation)</p><p>·      A workload that seems unsustainable, especially to newer clinicians</p><h3>What can therapists do to improve their profession?</h3><p>·      Read Saving Psychotherapy by Dr. Ben Caldwell</p><p>·      Look for opportunities to reimagine the field, by looking at other sectors (or disruptors in the field like technology)</p><p>·      Support advocacy efforts through unions, professional associations, or lobbying legislators</p><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What is Working Now in Online Marketing: An interview with Katie Read</title>
      <description>What is Working Now in Online Marketing: An interview with Katie Read
Curt and Katie interview Katie Read on how the economy has shifted and what works for marketing has shifted. We look at how things have shifted since the pandemic and what therapists can think about now for their therapy and online businesses. Katie gives us simple strategies and clear insights on what isn’t working anymore and what to do instead.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapist marketing must shift post-pandemic
Katie Read has been doing research into what is working in marketing for service providers. We thought we’d ask her back to talk about how the shifting economy is impacting therapists.
How have the shifts in the economy changed business for therapists?
·      After the pandemic, people stopped having time for “personal growth”
·      Therapy is seen more as a luxury
·      People have lost patience for content marketing (like a very long webinar)
·      Potential clients are more likely to pay for services for a specific, acute pain point, rather than non-specific pain points or personal growth
·      Big Tech is coming into the space and becoming competitors
·      TikTok has changed attention spans, so we must market in shorter, more concise bullet points
What strategies can therapists use to improve their businesses?
·      Assess the market and identify specific niches that are harder to treat by big tech
·      Capture attention by speaking directly to where it hurts, in bullet points and visuals
·      Identify problematic expectations, for example meeting someone when they are in crisis and then keeping them for personal growth (rather than expecting them to seek out personal growth work)
Do therapists need to have a big social media presence?
·      Many people have been successful selling their services without a big social media following
·      If you don’t enjoy social media, you don’t need to spend time on it
·      If you enjoy social media and have fun creating compelling content, it can be hugely helpful
·      If you aren’t interested in doing social media, one option is the static 9 grid on Instagram
How can therapists get a more specific niche?
·      Understand that your niche may evolve over time, so go for what you know now
·      Look at what lights you up
·      Explore you own story to identify what you’ve learned and what you can share

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What is Working Now in Online Marketing: An interview with Katie Read</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Katie Read on how the economy has shifted and what works for marketing has shifted. We look at how things have shifted since the pandemic and what therapists can think about now for their therapy and online businesses. Katie gives us simple strategies and clear insights on what isn’t working anymore and what to do instead. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What is Working Now in Online Marketing: An interview with Katie Read
Curt and Katie interview Katie Read on how the economy has shifted and what works for marketing has shifted. We look at how things have shifted since the pandemic and what therapists can think about now for their therapy and online businesses. Katie gives us simple strategies and clear insights on what isn’t working anymore and what to do instead.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapist marketing must shift post-pandemic
Katie Read has been doing research into what is working in marketing for service providers. We thought we’d ask her back to talk about how the shifting economy is impacting therapists.
How have the shifts in the economy changed business for therapists?
·      After the pandemic, people stopped having time for “personal growth”
·      Therapy is seen more as a luxury
·      People have lost patience for content marketing (like a very long webinar)
·      Potential clients are more likely to pay for services for a specific, acute pain point, rather than non-specific pain points or personal growth
·      Big Tech is coming into the space and becoming competitors
·      TikTok has changed attention spans, so we must market in shorter, more concise bullet points
What strategies can therapists use to improve their businesses?
·      Assess the market and identify specific niches that are harder to treat by big tech
·      Capture attention by speaking directly to where it hurts, in bullet points and visuals
·      Identify problematic expectations, for example meeting someone when they are in crisis and then keeping them for personal growth (rather than expecting them to seek out personal growth work)
Do therapists need to have a big social media presence?
·      Many people have been successful selling their services without a big social media following
·      If you don’t enjoy social media, you don’t need to spend time on it
·      If you enjoy social media and have fun creating compelling content, it can be hugely helpful
·      If you aren’t interested in doing social media, one option is the static 9 grid on Instagram
How can therapists get a more specific niche?
·      Understand that your niche may evolve over time, so go for what you know now
·      Look at what lights you up
·      Explore you own story to identify what you’ve learned and what you can share

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What is Working Now in Online Marketing: An interview with Katie Read</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Katie Read on how the economy has shifted and what works for marketing has shifted. We look at how things have shifted since the pandemic and what therapists can think about now for their therapy and online businesses. Katie gives us simple strategies and clear insights on what isn’t working anymore and what to do instead.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapist marketing must shift post-pandemic</h2><p>Katie Read has been doing research into what is working in marketing for service providers. We thought we’d ask her back to talk about how the shifting economy is impacting therapists.</p><h3>How have the shifts in the economy changed business for therapists?</h3><p>·      After the pandemic, people stopped having time for “personal growth”</p><p>·      Therapy is seen more as a luxury</p><p>·      People have lost patience for content marketing (like a very long webinar)</p><p>·      Potential clients are more likely to pay for services for a specific, acute pain point, rather than non-specific pain points or personal growth</p><p>·      Big Tech is coming into the space and becoming competitors</p><p>·      TikTok has changed attention spans, so we must market in shorter, more concise bullet points</p><h3>What strategies can therapists use to improve their businesses?</h3><p>·      Assess the market and identify specific niches that are harder to treat by big tech</p><p>·      Capture attention by speaking directly to where it hurts, in bullet points and visuals</p><p>·      Identify problematic expectations, for example meeting someone when they are in crisis and then keeping them for personal growth (rather than expecting them to seek out personal growth work)</p><h3>Do therapists need to have a big social media presence?</h3><p>·      Many people have been successful selling their services without a big social media following</p><p>·      If you don’t enjoy social media, you don’t need to spend time on it</p><p>·      If you enjoy social media and have fun creating compelling content, it can be hugely helpful</p><p>·      If you aren’t interested in doing social media, one option is the static 9 grid on Instagram</p><h3>How can therapists get a more specific niche?</h3><p>·      Understand that your niche may evolve over time, so go for what you know now</p><p>·      Look at what lights you up</p><p>·      Explore you own story to identify what you’ve learned and what you can share</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What to do when supervision goes bad? A guide to supervision ruptures and repair</title>
      <description>What to do when supervision goes bad? A guide to supervision ruptures and repair
Curt and Katie chat about what to do when there is a loss of trust in supervision. We explore what has already been researched (and the limitations there). We also look at what can make ruptures more likely, different types of ruptures, and how supervisors can mitigate the risk of rupture and then repair when ruptures inevitably happen. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how to address ruptures in clinical supervision
Clinical supervision has the potential for errors and requires management from the supervisor to acknowledge, deal with, and repair from mistakes that could rupture the supervisory alliance. This workshop helps to identify the types of ruptures that can occur and offers a strategy on how to deal with them so that they are no longer a problem.
What is the focus within the research base on clinical supervision?
·      Most of the research on supervision is focused on clinical supervision without a consideration of the employment element of the relationship
·      There is not a lot of research on supervision, much less ruptures in supervision
·      Much of the research has been from the supervisee perspective, but that is shifting
·      Without supervisors being involved in research, there is a risk of supervisors dismissing it
What can make ruptures more likely in supervisory relationships?
·      Power differential within the clinical supervision relationship may lead to supervisees feeling unable to talk about mistakes that supervisors make
·      Expectations of safety and confidentiality that are not discussed or are assumed to be greater than they are, with a lack of transparency
·      Supervisors are responsible to address ruptures, but may not know about them
·      Supervisors can fall into risk management and punishment or not allowing supervisees to do anything that may challenge their skill level
What can supervisors do to avoid supervisory ruptures?
·      Acknowledge the fallibility of both the supervisor and the supervisee
·      Supervisors share when they don’t know something and learn what they need to learn to support their supervisee
·      Understanding the impact of each perspective on expectations (i.e., supervisors in agencies are also impacted by the expectations that they have on them from their own supervisors)
·      Identify confrontation versus avoidance rupture risks
·      Being more transparent on the process of supervision and about the supervisor’s competence and emotional responses
·      Understanding and assessing for cultural ruptures, microaggressions, etc.
Can supervisory ruptures also happen based on actions of the supervisee?
·      Yes!
·      Supervisees can misunderstand their role and not complete what is expected of them
·      Supervisees can fail to develop as a clinician
·      Supervisees may ask peers rather than their supervisor for what to do and do the wrong things
How can supervisors repair the ruptures that happen in clinical supervision?
·      Setting the stage for the most positive supervisory experience
·      Cultural humility
·      Pause, Consider, Reflect, Act (C.E. Watkins, Jr.’s work)
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What to do when supervision goes bad? A guide to supervision ruptures and repair</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about what to do when there is a loss of trust in supervision. We explore what has already been researched (and the limitations there). We also look at what can make ruptures more likely, different types of ruptures, and how supervisors can mitigate the risk of rupture and then repair when ruptures inevitably happen. This is a continuing education podcourse.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What to do when supervision goes bad? A guide to supervision ruptures and repair
Curt and Katie chat about what to do when there is a loss of trust in supervision. We explore what has already been researched (and the limitations there). We also look at what can make ruptures more likely, different types of ruptures, and how supervisors can mitigate the risk of rupture and then repair when ruptures inevitably happen. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how to address ruptures in clinical supervision
Clinical supervision has the potential for errors and requires management from the supervisor to acknowledge, deal with, and repair from mistakes that could rupture the supervisory alliance. This workshop helps to identify the types of ruptures that can occur and offers a strategy on how to deal with them so that they are no longer a problem.
What is the focus within the research base on clinical supervision?
·      Most of the research on supervision is focused on clinical supervision without a consideration of the employment element of the relationship
·      There is not a lot of research on supervision, much less ruptures in supervision
·      Much of the research has been from the supervisee perspective, but that is shifting
·      Without supervisors being involved in research, there is a risk of supervisors dismissing it
What can make ruptures more likely in supervisory relationships?
·      Power differential within the clinical supervision relationship may lead to supervisees feeling unable to talk about mistakes that supervisors make
·      Expectations of safety and confidentiality that are not discussed or are assumed to be greater than they are, with a lack of transparency
·      Supervisors are responsible to address ruptures, but may not know about them
·      Supervisors can fall into risk management and punishment or not allowing supervisees to do anything that may challenge their skill level
What can supervisors do to avoid supervisory ruptures?
·      Acknowledge the fallibility of both the supervisor and the supervisee
·      Supervisors share when they don’t know something and learn what they need to learn to support their supervisee
·      Understanding the impact of each perspective on expectations (i.e., supervisors in agencies are also impacted by the expectations that they have on them from their own supervisors)
·      Identify confrontation versus avoidance rupture risks
·      Being more transparent on the process of supervision and about the supervisor’s competence and emotional responses
·      Understanding and assessing for cultural ruptures, microaggressions, etc.
Can supervisory ruptures also happen based on actions of the supervisee?
·      Yes!
·      Supervisees can misunderstand their role and not complete what is expected of them
·      Supervisees can fail to develop as a clinician
·      Supervisees may ask peers rather than their supervisor for what to do and do the wrong things
How can supervisors repair the ruptures that happen in clinical supervision?
·      Setting the stage for the most positive supervisory experience
·      Cultural humility
·      Pause, Consider, Reflect, Act (C.E. Watkins, Jr.’s work)
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What to do when supervision goes bad? A guide to supervision ruptures and repair</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about what to do when there is a loss of trust in supervision. We explore what has already been researched (and the limitations there). We also look at what can make ruptures more likely, different types of ruptures, and how supervisors can mitigate the risk of rupture and then repair when ruptures inevitably happen. This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how to address ruptures in clinical supervision</h2><p>Clinical supervision has the potential for errors and requires management from the supervisor to acknowledge, deal with, and repair from mistakes that could rupture the supervisory alliance. This workshop helps to identify the types of ruptures that can occur and offers a strategy on how to deal with them so that they are no longer a problem.</p><h3>What is the focus within the research base on clinical supervision?</h3><p>·      Most of the research on supervision is focused on clinical supervision without a consideration of the employment element of the relationship</p><p>·      There is not a lot of research on supervision, much less ruptures in supervision</p><p>·      Much of the research has been from the supervisee perspective, but that is shifting</p><p>·      Without supervisors being involved in research, there is a risk of supervisors dismissing it</p><h3>What can make ruptures more likely in supervisory relationships?</h3><p>·      Power differential within the clinical supervision relationship may lead to supervisees feeling unable to talk about mistakes that supervisors make</p><p>·      Expectations of safety and confidentiality that are not discussed or are assumed to be greater than they are, with a lack of transparency</p><p>·      Supervisors are responsible to address ruptures, but may not know about them</p><p>·      Supervisors can fall into risk management and punishment or not allowing supervisees to do anything that may challenge their skill level</p><h3>What can supervisors do to avoid supervisory ruptures?</h3><p>·      Acknowledge the fallibility of both the supervisor and the supervisee</p><p>·      Supervisors share when they don’t know something and learn what they need to learn to support their supervisee</p><p>·      Understanding the impact of each perspective on expectations (i.e., supervisors in agencies are also impacted by the expectations that they have on them from their own supervisors)</p><p>·      Identify confrontation versus avoidance rupture risks</p><p>·      Being more transparent on the process of supervision and about the supervisor’s competence and emotional responses</p><p>·      Understanding and assessing for cultural ruptures, microaggressions, etc.</p><h3>Can supervisory ruptures also happen based on actions of the supervisee?</h3><p>·      Yes!</p><p>·      Supervisees can misunderstand their role and not complete what is expected of them</p><p>·      Supervisees can fail to develop as a clinician</p><p>·      Supervisees may ask peers rather than their supervisor for what to do and do the wrong things</p><h3>How can supervisors repair the ruptures that happen in clinical supervision?</h3><p>·      Setting the stage for the most positive supervisory experience</p><p>·      Cultural humility</p><p>·      Pause, Consider, Reflect, Act (C.E. Watkins, Jr.’s work)</p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><p><a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Should We Stop Badmouthing Evidence Based Practice? An interview with Jessica Tappana, LCSW</title>
      <description>Should We Stop Badmouthing Evidence Based Practice? An interview with Jessica Tappana, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Jessica Tappana, LCSW about evidence-based practices (EBPs). We talk about what EBPs actually are and how to implement them in clinically sound and ethical ways. We look at what therapists usually get wrong about EBPs and what they can do to improve their practice.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how Evidence Based Practices work in the real world
Jessica is a long-time listener of the show and a good friend of ours and has been talking with us about how we have spent too much time bad-mouthing EBPs. We decided it would be good to hash out the ideas around “manualized treatment” and how you can actually bring yourself as a clinician into the work, even when using these interventions that are backed by science.
What are Evidence-Based Practices?
·      Using well-researched interventions
·      Using the expertise of the clinician
·      Understanding the needs of the clients
What should therapists know about evidence-based practice?
·      There is room to implement EBP without full adherence
·      Contrasting “eclectic” from “meeting a client where they are” and pulling from other evidence-based interventions
·      The ways that EBPs are trained and studied (due to funding sources) lead to strict adherence
·      How you teach or implement the EBP can be unique to the clinicians
·      Contrasting fidelity of the model with adherence to model
·      You can bring yourself as a therapist into the room AND provide evidence-based interventions
·      Training and supervision is more challenging when you are not seeking strict adherence
·      It’s important to have time to practice therapy outside of sessions with clients
What data or assessments should therapists use with Evidence Based Practices?
·      Feedback informed care (e.g., FIT)
·      Assessments of depression or anxiety consistently to see progress
·      Screening tools and measurement to track progress
·      It is important for clinicians to believe in and use the data collection

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Should We Stop Badmouthing Evidence Based Practice? An interview with Jessica Tappana, LCSW</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/42598124-398f-11ef-aba3-afe8d356d667/image/99ef2c809e56cb097336b2f28102c858.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Jessica Tappana, LCSW about evidence-based practices (EBPs). We talk about what EBPs actually are and how to implement them in clinically sound and ethical ways. We look at what therapists usually get wrong about EBPs and what they can do to improve their practice.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Should We Stop Badmouthing Evidence Based Practice? An interview with Jessica Tappana, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Jessica Tappana, LCSW about evidence-based practices (EBPs). We talk about what EBPs actually are and how to implement them in clinically sound and ethical ways. We look at what therapists usually get wrong about EBPs and what they can do to improve their practice.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how Evidence Based Practices work in the real world
Jessica is a long-time listener of the show and a good friend of ours and has been talking with us about how we have spent too much time bad-mouthing EBPs. We decided it would be good to hash out the ideas around “manualized treatment” and how you can actually bring yourself as a clinician into the work, even when using these interventions that are backed by science.
What are Evidence-Based Practices?
·      Using well-researched interventions
·      Using the expertise of the clinician
·      Understanding the needs of the clients
What should therapists know about evidence-based practice?
·      There is room to implement EBP without full adherence
·      Contrasting “eclectic” from “meeting a client where they are” and pulling from other evidence-based interventions
·      The ways that EBPs are trained and studied (due to funding sources) lead to strict adherence
·      How you teach or implement the EBP can be unique to the clinicians
·      Contrasting fidelity of the model with adherence to model
·      You can bring yourself as a therapist into the room AND provide evidence-based interventions
·      Training and supervision is more challenging when you are not seeking strict adherence
·      It’s important to have time to practice therapy outside of sessions with clients
What data or assessments should therapists use with Evidence Based Practices?
·      Feedback informed care (e.g., FIT)
·      Assessments of depression or anxiety consistently to see progress
·      Screening tools and measurement to track progress
·      It is important for clinicians to believe in and use the data collection

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Should We Stop Badmouthing Evidence Based Practice? An interview with Jessica Tappana, LCSW</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Jessica Tappana, LCSW about evidence-based practices (EBPs). We talk about what EBPs actually are and how to implement them in clinically sound and ethical ways. We look at what therapists usually get wrong about EBPs and what they can do to improve their practice.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how Evidence Based Practices work in the real world</h2><p>Jessica is a long-time listener of the show and a good friend of ours and has been talking with us about how we have spent too much time bad-mouthing EBPs. We decided it would be good to hash out the ideas around “manualized treatment” and how you can actually bring yourself as a clinician into the work, even when using these interventions that are backed by science.</p><h3>What are Evidence-Based Practices?</h3><p>·      Using well-researched interventions</p><p>·      Using the expertise of the clinician</p><p>·      Understanding the needs of the clients</p><h3>What should therapists know about evidence-based practice?</h3><p>·      There is room to implement EBP without full adherence</p><p>·      Contrasting “eclectic” from “meeting a client where they are” and pulling from other evidence-based interventions</p><p>·      The ways that EBPs are trained and studied (due to funding sources) lead to strict adherence</p><p>·      How you teach or implement the EBP can be unique to the clinicians</p><p>·      Contrasting fidelity of the model with adherence to model</p><p>·      You can bring yourself as a therapist into the room AND provide evidence-based interventions</p><p>·      Training and supervision is more challenging when you are not seeking strict adherence</p><p>·      It’s important to have time to practice therapy outside of sessions with clients</p><h3>What data or assessments should therapists use with Evidence Based Practices?</h3><p>·      Feedback informed care (e.g., FIT)</p><p>·      Assessments of depression or anxiety consistently to see progress</p><p>·      Screening tools and measurement to track progress</p><p>·      It is important for clinicians to believe in and use the data collection</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Two Years In: Is 988 Actually Helping People Facing Mental Health Crises?</title>
      <description>Two Years In: Is 988 Actually Helping People Facing Mental Health Crises?
Curt and Katie check back with the now two-year-old program and identify what’s working and what’s not with the crisis hotline. There is data that it is 98% but there are also concerns that have been raised. We look at reports of data sharing without transparency, increases in police involvement and involuntary hospitalization, and inconsistently (and potentially inadequately) trained hotline workers. We also explore what therapists can do to support clients who might need this resource.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about what is work and what is not working with 988
Katie became concerned about data use and how well 988 is working after seeing some articles from Mad in America. Curt and Katie thought it would be good to dig a little deeper into what is actually happening with this newer crisis hotline.
What are concerns being raised about 988 at this point?
·      Data sharing with a lack of transparency
·      Different definitions of confidential and confidentiality
·      There is not really a guarantee that you can remain anonymous
·      Increase of involuntary hospitalization and police involvement
·      Lack of infrastructure and lack of local resources to manage crisis response
·      Callers may be routed to the call center nearest to their area code, not current location
·      Not advertising 988 in high population areas because they will get calls no matter where their community members are due to their area codes
·      Training of the hotline workers is inconsistent and may not be sufficient
·      Lack of funding to make improvements and develop new resources
What are the risks when someone calls 988?
·      The call center staff may not have training to deal with the caller’s issues
·      Responses on the call line may be overly focused on psychoeducation
·      Lack of time for each caller (without assurance that callers get time to talk through the concerns that led them to call)
·      There is a possibility that there will be responses that are truly unhelpful to the caller
·      Incarceration or involuntary hospitalization
·      Inconsistent follow up if calls are dropped or callers disengage
What should therapists be aware of as they navigate 988 at this time?
·      They are reporting a 98% success rate, so this is a resource worth considering
·      Make sure your clients understand what to use 988 for
·      Help your clients to assess the risks and benefits of calling
·      Work to increase the transparency about data sharing, confidentiality and anonymity
·      There is advocacy needed to improve 988 as a resource

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Two Years In: Is 988 Actually Helping People Facing Mental Health Crises?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie check back with the now two-year-old program and identify what’s working and what’s not with the crisis hotline. There is data that it is 98% but there are also concerns that have been raised. We look at reports of data sharing without transparency, increases in police involvement and involuntary hospitalization, and inconsistently (and potentially inadequately) trained hotline workers. We also explore what therapists can do to support clients who might need this resource. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Two Years In: Is 988 Actually Helping People Facing Mental Health Crises?
Curt and Katie check back with the now two-year-old program and identify what’s working and what’s not with the crisis hotline. There is data that it is 98% but there are also concerns that have been raised. We look at reports of data sharing without transparency, increases in police involvement and involuntary hospitalization, and inconsistently (and potentially inadequately) trained hotline workers. We also explore what therapists can do to support clients who might need this resource.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about what is work and what is not working with 988
Katie became concerned about data use and how well 988 is working after seeing some articles from Mad in America. Curt and Katie thought it would be good to dig a little deeper into what is actually happening with this newer crisis hotline.
What are concerns being raised about 988 at this point?
·      Data sharing with a lack of transparency
·      Different definitions of confidential and confidentiality
·      There is not really a guarantee that you can remain anonymous
·      Increase of involuntary hospitalization and police involvement
·      Lack of infrastructure and lack of local resources to manage crisis response
·      Callers may be routed to the call center nearest to their area code, not current location
·      Not advertising 988 in high population areas because they will get calls no matter where their community members are due to their area codes
·      Training of the hotline workers is inconsistent and may not be sufficient
·      Lack of funding to make improvements and develop new resources
What are the risks when someone calls 988?
·      The call center staff may not have training to deal with the caller’s issues
·      Responses on the call line may be overly focused on psychoeducation
·      Lack of time for each caller (without assurance that callers get time to talk through the concerns that led them to call)
·      There is a possibility that there will be responses that are truly unhelpful to the caller
·      Incarceration or involuntary hospitalization
·      Inconsistent follow up if calls are dropped or callers disengage
What should therapists be aware of as they navigate 988 at this time?
·      They are reporting a 98% success rate, so this is a resource worth considering
·      Make sure your clients understand what to use 988 for
·      Help your clients to assess the risks and benefits of calling
·      Work to increase the transparency about data sharing, confidentiality and anonymity
·      There is advocacy needed to improve 988 as a resource

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Two Years In: Is 988 Actually Helping People Facing Mental Health Crises?</h1><p>Curt and Katie check back with the now two-year-old program and identify what’s working and what’s not with the crisis hotline. There is data that it is 98% but there are also concerns that have been raised. We look at reports of data sharing without transparency, increases in police involvement and involuntary hospitalization, and inconsistently (and potentially inadequately) trained hotline workers. We also explore what therapists can do to support clients who might need this resource.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about what is work and what is not working with 988</h2><p>Katie became concerned about data use and how well 988 is working after seeing some articles from Mad in America. Curt and Katie thought it would be good to dig a little deeper into what is actually happening with this newer crisis hotline.</p><h3>What are concerns being raised about 988 at this point?</h3><p>·      Data sharing with a lack of transparency</p><p>·      Different definitions of confidential and confidentiality</p><p>·      There is not really a guarantee that you can remain anonymous</p><p>·      Increase of involuntary hospitalization and police involvement</p><p>·      Lack of infrastructure and lack of local resources to manage crisis response</p><p>·      Callers may be routed to the call center nearest to their area code, not current location</p><p>·      Not advertising 988 in high population areas because they will get calls no matter where their community members are due to their area codes</p><p>·      Training of the hotline workers is inconsistent and may not be sufficient</p><p>·      Lack of funding to make improvements and develop new resources</p><h3>What are the risks when someone calls 988?</h3><p>·      The call center staff may not have training to deal with the caller’s issues</p><p>·      Responses on the call line may be overly focused on psychoeducation</p><p>·      Lack of time for each caller (without assurance that callers get time to talk through the concerns that led them to call)</p><p>·      There is a possibility that there will be responses that are truly unhelpful to the caller</p><p>·      Incarceration or involuntary hospitalization</p><p>·      Inconsistent follow up if calls are dropped or callers disengage</p><h3>What should therapists be aware of as they navigate 988 at this time?</h3><p>·      They are reporting a 98% success rate, so this is a resource worth considering</p><p>·      Make sure your clients understand what to use 988 for</p><p>·      Help your clients to assess the risks and benefits of calling</p><p>·      Work to increase the transparency about data sharing, confidentiality and anonymity</p><p>·      There is advocacy needed to improve 988 as a resource</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Don’t Let TikTok Fool You – Being a Therapist is Hard Work: An interview with Sandra Kushnir, LMFT and Anita Avedian, LMFT</title>
      <description>Don’t Let TikTok Fool You – Being a Therapist is Hard Work: An interview with Sandra Kushnir, LMFT and Anita Avedian, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Sandra Kushner and Anita Avedian about how the therapy business works now. We talk about how the profession and those who are entering it has changed over the years. We look at what new therapists can expect when they join a group practice, pushing back against some of the broadly held misconceptions of what it is like to be a therapist today.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about what new therapists can expect when entering the field
We invited Anita Avedian and Sandra Kushnir to come talk about their latest endeavor: a course called Degree to Practice.
What are the misconceptions new therapists have about what it looks like to work as a therapist?
·      There is a difference between desired caseload and the capacity to earn money and hours toward licensure
·      Expectations don’t seem to be realistic and seem to be impacted by conversations about burnout
·      These expectations are being set by grad school, social media, coaching programs
·      There doesn’t seem to be an understanding about what it takes to build a practice and what group practice owners are doing to create these workplaces
·      Therapists will need to learn how to work with clients that they are not comfortable with
·      Developing expertise is essential for attracting clients – be the best at what you do
·      Part of developing expertise is learning how to address higher risk with all clients
What can therapists expect when they join a group private practice?
·      The best group practice owners will have transparency and clarity around expectations
·      Often there will be a minimum caseload (Sandra and Anita both require a minimum of 20 clients per week)
·      There is an overhead for each therapist, so therapists will not earn the full amount they are charging
·      Insurance or sliding fee practices will need to pay therapists less than private pay practices due to the income available
·      In many private practices, it will take some time to build a caseload, which means that it will take time to gain consistent income
·      Some group practices will teach you how to run your own practice, some will just provide a space for doing clinical work
·      Looking at practical limits as “task conflict” rather than “relational conflict” – for example, pay is a factor of the business’ needs and capacity, not a personal evaluation of someone’s worth
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Jul 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Don’t Let TikTok Fool You – Being a Therapist is Hard Work: An interview with Sandra Kushnir, LMFT and Anita Avedian, LMFT</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Sandra Kushner and Anita Avedian about how the therapy business works now. We talk about how the profession and those who are entering it has changed over the years. We look at what new therapists can expect when they join a group practice, pushing back against some of the broadly held misconceptions of what it is like to be a therapist today. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Don’t Let TikTok Fool You – Being a Therapist is Hard Work: An interview with Sandra Kushnir, LMFT and Anita Avedian, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Sandra Kushner and Anita Avedian about how the therapy business works now. We talk about how the profession and those who are entering it has changed over the years. We look at what new therapists can expect when they join a group practice, pushing back against some of the broadly held misconceptions of what it is like to be a therapist today.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about what new therapists can expect when entering the field
We invited Anita Avedian and Sandra Kushnir to come talk about their latest endeavor: a course called Degree to Practice.
What are the misconceptions new therapists have about what it looks like to work as a therapist?
·      There is a difference between desired caseload and the capacity to earn money and hours toward licensure
·      Expectations don’t seem to be realistic and seem to be impacted by conversations about burnout
·      These expectations are being set by grad school, social media, coaching programs
·      There doesn’t seem to be an understanding about what it takes to build a practice and what group practice owners are doing to create these workplaces
·      Therapists will need to learn how to work with clients that they are not comfortable with
·      Developing expertise is essential for attracting clients – be the best at what you do
·      Part of developing expertise is learning how to address higher risk with all clients
What can therapists expect when they join a group private practice?
·      The best group practice owners will have transparency and clarity around expectations
·      Often there will be a minimum caseload (Sandra and Anita both require a minimum of 20 clients per week)
·      There is an overhead for each therapist, so therapists will not earn the full amount they are charging
·      Insurance or sliding fee practices will need to pay therapists less than private pay practices due to the income available
·      In many private practices, it will take some time to build a caseload, which means that it will take time to gain consistent income
·      Some group practices will teach you how to run your own practice, some will just provide a space for doing clinical work
·      Looking at practical limits as “task conflict” rather than “relational conflict” – for example, pay is a factor of the business’ needs and capacity, not a personal evaluation of someone’s worth
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Don’t Let TikTok Fool You – Being a Therapist is Hard Work: An interview with Sandra Kushnir, LMFT and Anita Avedian, LMFT</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Sandra Kushner and Anita Avedian about how the therapy business works now. We talk about how the profession and those who are entering it has changed over the years. We look at what new therapists can expect when they join a group practice, pushing back against some of the broadly held misconceptions of what it is like to be a therapist today.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about what new therapists can expect when entering the field</h2><p>We invited Anita Avedian and Sandra Kushnir to come talk about their latest endeavor: a course called Degree to Practice.</p><h3>What are the misconceptions new therapists have about what it looks like to work as a therapist?</h3><p>·      There is a difference between desired caseload and the capacity to earn money and hours toward licensure</p><p>·      Expectations don’t seem to be realistic and seem to be impacted by conversations about burnout</p><p>·      These expectations are being set by grad school, social media, coaching programs</p><p>·      There doesn’t seem to be an understanding about what it takes to build a practice and what group practice owners are doing to create these workplaces</p><p>·      Therapists will need to learn how to work with clients that they are not comfortable with</p><p>·      Developing expertise is essential for attracting clients – be the best at what you do</p><p>·      Part of developing expertise is learning how to address higher risk with all clients</p><h3>What can therapists expect when they join a group private practice?</h3><p>·      The best group practice owners will have transparency and clarity around expectations</p><p>·      Often there will be a minimum caseload (Sandra and Anita both require a minimum of 20 clients per week)</p><p>·      There is an overhead for each therapist, so therapists will not earn the full amount they are charging</p><p>·      Insurance or sliding fee practices will need to pay therapists less than private pay practices due to the income available</p><p>·      In many private practices, it will take some time to build a caseload, which means that it will take time to gain consistent income</p><p>·      Some group practices will teach you how to run your own practice, some will just provide a space for doing clinical work</p><p>·      Looking at practical limits as “task conflict” rather than “relational conflict” – for example, pay is a factor of the business’ needs and capacity, not a personal evaluation of someone’s worth</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>No Cap: It’s Time to Glow Up Your Teen Therapy Skills</title>
      <description>No Cap: It’s Time to Glow Up Your Teen Therapy Skills
Curt and Katie chat about how to work effectively with teen clients. We look at what adults often get wrong about teens as well as how therapists can develop real relationships with their teen clients. We also look at the differences that can show up in how you do therapy with teens.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about effective therapy with teenaged clients
Curt and Katie have both specialized in working with teens at different points in their careers and figured they should share what they’ve learned to support other therapists who’d like to work with teens.
What do therapists (and caregivers) get wrong about teenagers?
·       You won’t reach teens if you treat them like behavioral problems to solve
·       It is helpful to show teens that they will be listened to, rather than just subject to whatever their parents or caregivers want them to do in therapy
·       Therapists can seem less authentic if they try to be “the cool therapist”
What is needed in an effective therapeutic alliance with teen therapy clients?
·       Identifying what the teen needs from the therapist (e.g., confidant, older sibling, parental type)
·       Authenticity is key as teens will often see through it if you’re not
·       Defining boundaries of the relationship
·       Looking toward client autonomy
·       Showing stability and constancy
·       Encouraging safety and agency
·       Being a trusted, consistent adult
What are differences in therapy with teens and adults?
·       Having caregivers involved in schedule and decision-making, having a huge impact on teens
·       Therapy for teens is often a relationship where identity can be tested
·       Therapists can be an outside voice for both teens and adults, but teens may need this more
·       Caregivers are more likely to be a part of treatment for teens
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>No Cap: It’s Time to Glow Up Your Teen Therapy Skills</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/55693ea0-2d94-11ef-b648-db0b60d634aa/image/3aa3421c767baebcef16e1d23089e6df.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how to work effectively with teen clients. We look at what adults often get wrong about teens as well as how therapists can develop real relationships with their teen clients. We also look at the differences that can show up in how you do therapy with teens. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>No Cap: It’s Time to Glow Up Your Teen Therapy Skills
Curt and Katie chat about how to work effectively with teen clients. We look at what adults often get wrong about teens as well as how therapists can develop real relationships with their teen clients. We also look at the differences that can show up in how you do therapy with teens.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about effective therapy with teenaged clients
Curt and Katie have both specialized in working with teens at different points in their careers and figured they should share what they’ve learned to support other therapists who’d like to work with teens.
What do therapists (and caregivers) get wrong about teenagers?
·       You won’t reach teens if you treat them like behavioral problems to solve
·       It is helpful to show teens that they will be listened to, rather than just subject to whatever their parents or caregivers want them to do in therapy
·       Therapists can seem less authentic if they try to be “the cool therapist”
What is needed in an effective therapeutic alliance with teen therapy clients?
·       Identifying what the teen needs from the therapist (e.g., confidant, older sibling, parental type)
·       Authenticity is key as teens will often see through it if you’re not
·       Defining boundaries of the relationship
·       Looking toward client autonomy
·       Showing stability and constancy
·       Encouraging safety and agency
·       Being a trusted, consistent adult
What are differences in therapy with teens and adults?
·       Having caregivers involved in schedule and decision-making, having a huge impact on teens
·       Therapy for teens is often a relationship where identity can be tested
·       Therapists can be an outside voice for both teens and adults, but teens may need this more
·       Caregivers are more likely to be a part of treatment for teens
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>No Cap: It’s Time to Glow Up Your Teen Therapy Skills</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about how to work effectively with teen clients. We look at what adults often get wrong about teens as well as how therapists can develop real relationships with their teen clients. We also look at the differences that can show up in how you do therapy with teens.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about effective therapy with teenaged clients</h2><p>Curt and Katie have both specialized in working with teens at different points in their careers and figured they should share what they’ve learned to support other therapists who’d like to work with teens.</p><h3>What do therapists (and caregivers) get wrong about teenagers?</h3><p>·       You won’t reach teens if you treat them like behavioral problems to solve</p><p>·       It is helpful to show teens that they will be listened to, rather than just subject to whatever their parents or caregivers want them to do in therapy</p><p>·       Therapists can seem less authentic if they try to be “the cool therapist”</p><h3>What is needed in an effective therapeutic alliance with teen therapy clients?</h3><p>·       Identifying what the teen needs from the therapist (e.g., confidant, older sibling, parental type)</p><p>·       Authenticity is key as teens will often see through it if you’re not</p><p>·       Defining boundaries of the relationship</p><p>·       Looking toward client autonomy</p><p>·       Showing stability and constancy</p><p>·       Encouraging safety and agency</p><p>·       Being a trusted, consistent adult</p><h3>What are differences in therapy with teens and adults?</h3><p>·       Having caregivers involved in schedule and decision-making, having a huge impact on teens</p><p>·       Therapy for teens is often a relationship where identity can be tested</p><p>·       Therapists can be an outside voice for both teens and adults, but teens may need this more</p><p>·       Caregivers are more likely to be a part of treatment for teens</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>More Than Cogs in the Machine: Bringing trauma-informed principles into the workplace</title>
      <description>More Than Cogs in the Machine: Bringing trauma-informed principles into the workplace
Curt and Katie chat about trauma-informed workplaces. We explore what a trauma informed workplace is, why it is important to implement, and how best to do so. We also explore some practical challenges to creating a trauma-informed workplace and ideas for how to handle these challenges. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how to create a trauma-informed workplace
People affected by trauma are expected to perform in the workplace, but often have difficulty with environments that treat them as replaceable. This can lead to employee underperformance, burnout, and turnover in the workforce. Healthy interactions with the workplace can help both the individual and corporate performance. This workshop addresses principles and practices that allow for employers to create a trauma informed workplace.
What is a trauma-informed workplace?
·       Remembering that all workers are human
·       Collaboration and encouraging autonomy for employees
·       Acknowledging that trauma exists for everyone
·       Trauma is addressed in the workplace (e.g., mitigating secondary or vicarious trauma)
·       4 R’s of Trauma can give guidance to how to identify and respond to trauma
·       Supportive policies go beyond self-care
·       There is a systemic mechanism to support staff and improve
·       Based in trust and trustworthiness
What are the risks of not having a trauma-informed workplace?
·       Lower employee productivity, lower quality work
·       Higher levels of burnout, absenteeism, presenteeism
·       Recreating past traumas when we’re not aware of the dynamics in play
How can therapists create and benefit from a trauma-informed workplace?
·       Create supportive policies and procedures
·       Evaluate how well trauma informed principles are being implemented
·       We discuss an evaluation tool for this purpose
·       CTIPP Toolkit (Campaign for Trauma Informed Practice and Policies)
·       Acknowledge shared humanity
·       Creating connection and collaboration between team members
·       This may be something that needs to be repaired or built within a workplace that has problems
·       Understanding how to build, sustain trust, and effectively take feedback and implement it
·       Transparency and accountability
What are some challenges in implementing a Trauma-Informed Workplace?
·       Very challenging conversations needing repeated repair
·       Avoiding conversations about trauma
·       Digging deeply into emotional life of employees (i.e., with the potential of HR violations)
·       Practical limitations to what employers can provide to their employees
·       Us versus them mentalities and not seeing opportunities to collaborate
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
CAMFT CEPA: Therapy Reimagined is approved by the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists to sponsor continuing education for LMFTs, LPCCs, LCSWs, and LEPs (CAMFT CEPA provider #132270). Therapy Reimagined maintains responsibility for this program and its content. Courses meet the qualifications for the listed hours of continuing education credit for LMFTs, LCSWs, LPCCs, and/or LEPs as required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. We are working on additional provider approvals, but solely are able to provide CAMFT CEs at this time. Please check with your licensing body to ensure that they will accept this as an equivalent learning credit.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about trauma-informed workplaces. We explore what a trauma informed workplace is, why it is important to implement, and how best to do so. We also explore some practical challenges to creating a trauma-informed workplace and ideas for how to handle these challenges. This is a continuing education podcourse.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>More Than Cogs in the Machine: Bringing trauma-informed principles into the workplace
Curt and Katie chat about trauma-informed workplaces. We explore what a trauma informed workplace is, why it is important to implement, and how best to do so. We also explore some practical challenges to creating a trauma-informed workplace and ideas for how to handle these challenges. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how to create a trauma-informed workplace
People affected by trauma are expected to perform in the workplace, but often have difficulty with environments that treat them as replaceable. This can lead to employee underperformance, burnout, and turnover in the workforce. Healthy interactions with the workplace can help both the individual and corporate performance. This workshop addresses principles and practices that allow for employers to create a trauma informed workplace.
What is a trauma-informed workplace?
·       Remembering that all workers are human
·       Collaboration and encouraging autonomy for employees
·       Acknowledging that trauma exists for everyone
·       Trauma is addressed in the workplace (e.g., mitigating secondary or vicarious trauma)
·       4 R’s of Trauma can give guidance to how to identify and respond to trauma
·       Supportive policies go beyond self-care
·       There is a systemic mechanism to support staff and improve
·       Based in trust and trustworthiness
What are the risks of not having a trauma-informed workplace?
·       Lower employee productivity, lower quality work
·       Higher levels of burnout, absenteeism, presenteeism
·       Recreating past traumas when we’re not aware of the dynamics in play
How can therapists create and benefit from a trauma-informed workplace?
·       Create supportive policies and procedures
·       Evaluate how well trauma informed principles are being implemented
·       We discuss an evaluation tool for this purpose
·       CTIPP Toolkit (Campaign for Trauma Informed Practice and Policies)
·       Acknowledge shared humanity
·       Creating connection and collaboration between team members
·       This may be something that needs to be repaired or built within a workplace that has problems
·       Understanding how to build, sustain trust, and effectively take feedback and implement it
·       Transparency and accountability
What are some challenges in implementing a Trauma-Informed Workplace?
·       Very challenging conversations needing repeated repair
·       Avoiding conversations about trauma
·       Digging deeply into emotional life of employees (i.e., with the potential of HR violations)
·       Practical limitations to what employers can provide to their employees
·       Us versus them mentalities and not seeing opportunities to collaborate
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
CAMFT CEPA: Therapy Reimagined is approved by the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists to sponsor continuing education for LMFTs, LPCCs, LCSWs, and LEPs (CAMFT CEPA provider #132270). Therapy Reimagined maintains responsibility for this program and its content. Courses meet the qualifications for the listed hours of continuing education credit for LMFTs, LCSWs, LPCCs, and/or LEPs as required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. We are working on additional provider approvals, but solely are able to provide CAMFT CEs at this time. Please check with your licensing body to ensure that they will accept this as an equivalent learning credit.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>More Than Cogs in the Machine: Bringing trauma-informed principles into the workplace</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about trauma-informed workplaces. We explore what a trauma informed workplace is, why it is important to implement, and how best to do so. We also explore some practical challenges to creating a trauma-informed workplace and ideas for how to handle these challenges. This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how to create a trauma-informed workplace</h2><p>People affected by trauma are expected to perform in the workplace, but often have difficulty with environments that treat them as replaceable. This can lead to employee underperformance, burnout, and turnover in the workforce. Healthy interactions with the workplace can help both the individual and corporate performance. This workshop addresses principles and practices that allow for employers to create a trauma informed workplace.</p><h3>What is a trauma-informed workplace?</h3><p>·       Remembering that all workers are human</p><p>·       Collaboration and encouraging autonomy for employees</p><p>·       Acknowledging that trauma exists for everyone</p><p>·       Trauma is addressed in the workplace (e.g., mitigating secondary or vicarious trauma)</p><p>·       4 R’s of Trauma can give guidance to how to identify and respond to trauma</p><p>·       Supportive policies go beyond self-care</p><p>·       There is a systemic mechanism to support staff and improve</p><p>·       Based in trust and trustworthiness</p><h3>What are the risks of not having a trauma-informed workplace?</h3><p>·       Lower employee productivity, lower quality work</p><p>·       Higher levels of burnout, absenteeism, presenteeism</p><p>·       Recreating past traumas when we’re not aware of the dynamics in play</p><h3>How can therapists create and benefit from a trauma-informed workplace?</h3><p>·       Create supportive policies and procedures</p><p>·       Evaluate how well trauma informed principles are being implemented</p><p>·       We discuss an evaluation tool for this purpose</p><p>·       CTIPP Toolkit (<a href="https://www.ctipp.org/post/toolkit-trauma-informed-workplaces">Campaign for Trauma Informed Practice and Policies</a>)</p><p>·       Acknowledge shared humanity</p><p>·       Creating connection and collaboration between team members</p><p>·       This may be something that needs to be repaired or built within a workplace that has problems</p><p>·       Understanding how to build, sustain trust, and effectively take feedback and implement it</p><p>·       Transparency and accountability</p><h3>What are some challenges in implementing a Trauma-Informed Workplace?</h3><p>·       Very challenging conversations needing repeated repair</p><p>·       Avoiding conversations about trauma</p><p>·       Digging deeply into emotional life of employees (i.e., with the potential of HR violations)</p><p>·       Practical limitations to what employers can provide to their employees</p><p>·       Us versus them mentalities and not seeing opportunities to collaborate</p><h2>Receive <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">Continuing Education</a> for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><p><strong>CAMFT CEPA: </strong>Therapy Reimagined is approved by the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists to sponsor continuing education for LMFTs, LPCCs, LCSWs, and LEPs (CAMFT CEPA provider #132270). Therapy Reimagined maintains responsibility for this program and its content. Courses meet the qualifications for the listed hours of continuing education credit for LMFTs, LCSWs, LPCCs, and/or LEPs as required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. We are working on additional provider approvals, but solely are able to provide CAMFT CEs at this time. Please check with your licensing body to ensure that they will accept this as an equivalent learning credit.</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Pursuing Happiness as a Therapist: An interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT</title>
      <description>Pursuing Happiness as a Therapist: An interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Stevon Lewis, LMFT, about how he makes his career more sustainable. We look at his current philosophies around low effort, alignment, and fun. We also explore how he was able to initially able temper his expectations, work through misaligned paths, and pivot when needed. Finally, we talk about what it looks like behind the scenes to pursue a number of different revenue and marketing streams.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how to make a sustainable therapy career
We invited Stevon Lewis back to talk about creating a sustainable career, even if it means pivoting and rebuilding your career or your brand.
How can you build a positive and sustainable career as a therapist?
·      It’s important to assess your performance, your level of happiness, etc.
·      Don’t be afraid to pivot
·      Assess if you are working too hard or are misaligned with the work
·      Determine whether your unease is due to lack of skill or misalignment
·      Frame assessment based on practical evaluation versus moving to “I’m a failure”
When can you actually make choices that serve you better as a therapist?
·      Initial career choices may not be as ideal as one would like
·      It is important to temper your expectations to your current situation
·      Many therapists start in community mental health and may not be able to choose who we see and what we do
·      Be flexible and open to working with less than ideal clients, identify the learning opportunities
·      There is a ramp up and a building up of a caseload and career that takes time
·      Understand that pivoting is part of the journey because we don’t know what we’re good at or what we’re going to like
How do therapist influencers work effectively?
·      There can be a lot of effort behind the scenes
·      Delegating and contracting out elements of the work can be helpful
·      Efficiency is important to be able to do a bunch of different things to be successful
·      Stevon talks about how he does his “low effort” version of social media posting and interaction
·      Looking at the minimum effort for maximum result
·      Accept doing what you need to do to get the results you would like (not comparing to all others)

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Stevon Lewis, LMFT, about how he makes his career more sustainable. We look at his current philosophies around low effort, alignment, and fun. We also explore how he was able to initially able temper his expectations, work through misaligned paths, and pivot when needed. Finally, we talk about what it looks like behind the scenes to pursue a number of different revenue and marketing streams.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Pursuing Happiness as a Therapist: An interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Stevon Lewis, LMFT, about how he makes his career more sustainable. We look at his current philosophies around low effort, alignment, and fun. We also explore how he was able to initially able temper his expectations, work through misaligned paths, and pivot when needed. Finally, we talk about what it looks like behind the scenes to pursue a number of different revenue and marketing streams.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how to make a sustainable therapy career
We invited Stevon Lewis back to talk about creating a sustainable career, even if it means pivoting and rebuilding your career or your brand.
How can you build a positive and sustainable career as a therapist?
·      It’s important to assess your performance, your level of happiness, etc.
·      Don’t be afraid to pivot
·      Assess if you are working too hard or are misaligned with the work
·      Determine whether your unease is due to lack of skill or misalignment
·      Frame assessment based on practical evaluation versus moving to “I’m a failure”
When can you actually make choices that serve you better as a therapist?
·      Initial career choices may not be as ideal as one would like
·      It is important to temper your expectations to your current situation
·      Many therapists start in community mental health and may not be able to choose who we see and what we do
·      Be flexible and open to working with less than ideal clients, identify the learning opportunities
·      There is a ramp up and a building up of a caseload and career that takes time
·      Understand that pivoting is part of the journey because we don’t know what we’re good at or what we’re going to like
How do therapist influencers work effectively?
·      There can be a lot of effort behind the scenes
·      Delegating and contracting out elements of the work can be helpful
·      Efficiency is important to be able to do a bunch of different things to be successful
·      Stevon talks about how he does his “low effort” version of social media posting and interaction
·      Looking at the minimum effort for maximum result
·      Accept doing what you need to do to get the results you would like (not comparing to all others)

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Pursuing Happiness as a Therapist: An interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Stevon Lewis, LMFT, about how he makes his career more sustainable. We look at his current philosophies around low effort, alignment, and fun. We also explore how he was able to initially able temper his expectations, work through misaligned paths, and pivot when needed. Finally, we talk about what it looks like behind the scenes to pursue a number of different revenue and marketing streams.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how to make a sustainable therapy career</h2><p>We invited Stevon Lewis back to talk about creating a sustainable career, even if it means pivoting and rebuilding your career or your brand.</p><h3>How can you build a positive and sustainable career as a therapist?</h3><p>·      It’s important to assess your performance, your level of happiness, etc.</p><p>·      Don’t be afraid to pivot</p><p>·      Assess if you are working too hard or are misaligned with the work</p><p>·      Determine whether your unease is due to lack of skill or misalignment</p><p>·      Frame assessment based on practical evaluation versus moving to “I’m a failure”</p><h3>When can you actually make choices that serve you better as a therapist?</h3><p>·      Initial career choices may not be as ideal as one would like</p><p>·      It is important to temper your expectations to your current situation</p><p>·      Many therapists start in community mental health and may not be able to choose who we see and what we do</p><p>·      Be flexible and open to working with less than ideal clients, identify the learning opportunities</p><p>·      There is a ramp up and a building up of a caseload and career that takes time</p><p>·      Understand that pivoting is part of the journey because we don’t know what we’re good at or what we’re going to like</p><h3>How do therapist influencers work effectively?</h3><p>·      There can be a lot of effort behind the scenes</p><p>·      Delegating and contracting out elements of the work can be helpful</p><p>·      Efficiency is important to be able to do a bunch of different things to be successful</p><p>·      Stevon talks about how he does his “low effort” version of social media posting and interaction</p><p>·      Looking at the minimum effort for maximum result</p><p>·      Accept doing what you need to do to get the results you would like (not comparing to all others)</p><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>On The Move: How Run Walk Talk Therapy Reshapes Mental Health An interview with Sepideh Saremi, LCSW</title>
      <description>On The Move: How Run Walk Talk Therapy Reshapes Mental Health An interview with Sepideh Saremi, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Sepideh Saremi, LCSW, on her therapy model, Run Walk Talk. We look at the practicalities and clinical benefit of including movement (specifically running and walking) in therapy. We talk about the principles of movement as method, movement as modulator, and movement as metaphor.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we explore running in a therapy session
We invited Sepideh Saremi to talk about how she works as a therapist. She started running and walking with her clients in 2014 and is now teaching other therapists how to effectively bring these types of movement into therapy.
 How does it work to add running or other forms of movement to therapy?
·      Movement as method (nuts and bolts, practicalities)
·      Movement as modulator (addressing the nervous system)
·      Movement as metaphor
How can a therapist explain running or walk and talk therapy to a client?
·      The purpose of running or walking in therapy is not for the cardio benefits
·      Running and walking in therapy can help clients to connect to self and therapist
·      Run Walk Talk can also make therapy more accessible for some clients
What are the practicalities and benefits of running in a psychotherapy session?
·      Running at a conversation pace
·      Paying attention to the physical interaction
·      Creating an embodied experience
·      Assessing pace and self-care
·      Mindfulness and awareness
·      How to address confidentiality
·      Using the environment clinically
·      The benefits of being outside
·      The relational elements are important in this type of therapy
·      Handling liability when working with clients outside and movement
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>On The Move: How Run Walk Talk Therapy Reshapes Mental Health An interview with Sepideh Saremi, LCSW</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Sepideh Saremi, LCSW, on her therapy model, Run Walk Talk. We look at the practicalities and clinical benefit of including movement (specifically running and walking) in therapy. We talk about the principles of movement as method, movement as modulator, and movement as metaphor.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>On The Move: How Run Walk Talk Therapy Reshapes Mental Health An interview with Sepideh Saremi, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Sepideh Saremi, LCSW, on her therapy model, Run Walk Talk. We look at the practicalities and clinical benefit of including movement (specifically running and walking) in therapy. We talk about the principles of movement as method, movement as modulator, and movement as metaphor.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we explore running in a therapy session
We invited Sepideh Saremi to talk about how she works as a therapist. She started running and walking with her clients in 2014 and is now teaching other therapists how to effectively bring these types of movement into therapy.
 How does it work to add running or other forms of movement to therapy?
·      Movement as method (nuts and bolts, practicalities)
·      Movement as modulator (addressing the nervous system)
·      Movement as metaphor
How can a therapist explain running or walk and talk therapy to a client?
·      The purpose of running or walking in therapy is not for the cardio benefits
·      Running and walking in therapy can help clients to connect to self and therapist
·      Run Walk Talk can also make therapy more accessible for some clients
What are the practicalities and benefits of running in a psychotherapy session?
·      Running at a conversation pace
·      Paying attention to the physical interaction
·      Creating an embodied experience
·      Assessing pace and self-care
·      Mindfulness and awareness
·      How to address confidentiality
·      Using the environment clinically
·      The benefits of being outside
·      The relational elements are important in this type of therapy
·      Handling liability when working with clients outside and movement
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
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Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>On The Move: How Run Walk Talk Therapy Reshapes Mental Health An interview with Sepideh Saremi, LCSW</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Sepideh Saremi, LCSW, on her therapy model, Run Walk Talk. We look at the practicalities and clinical benefit of including movement (specifically running and walking) in therapy. We talk about the principles of movement as method, movement as modulator, and movement as metaphor.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we explore running in a therapy session</h2><p>We invited Sepideh Saremi to talk about how she works as a therapist. She started running and walking with her clients in 2014 and is now teaching other therapists how to effectively bring these types of movement into therapy.</p><h3> How does it work to add running or other forms of movement to therapy?</h3><p>·      Movement as method (nuts and bolts, practicalities)</p><p>·      Movement as modulator (addressing the nervous system)</p><p>·      Movement as metaphor</p><h3>How can a therapist explain running or walk and talk therapy to a client?</h3><p>·      The purpose of running or walking in therapy is not for the cardio benefits</p><p>·      Running and walking in therapy can help clients to connect to self and therapist</p><p>·      Run Walk Talk can also make therapy more accessible for some clients</p><h3>What are the practicalities and benefits of running in a psychotherapy session?</h3><p>·      Running at a conversation pace</p><p>·      Paying attention to the physical interaction</p><p>·      Creating an embodied experience</p><p>·      Assessing pace and self-care</p><p>·      Mindfulness and awareness</p><p>·      How to address confidentiality</p><p>·      Using the environment clinically</p><p>·      The benefits of being outside</p><p>·      The relational elements are important in this type of therapy</p><p>·      Handling liability when working with clients outside and movement</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Can Therapists Do About the Loneliness Epidemic?</title>
      <description>What Can Therapists Do About the Loneliness Epidemic?
Curt and Katie chat about loneliness as a presenting problem in therapy. We explore the misconceptions about loneliness and how therapists often go to fix the problem rather than understand the problem. We also look at the clinical considerations, including gender differences, the impact of Covid-19, and the changes in how people socialize. Finally, we identify treatment strategies to support individuals struggling with loneliness.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists support clients who are lonely
There is a loneliness epidemic that is coming into the therapy room a lot and we’ve heard from clients, colleagues, and friends that the first response is “fix it.” We don’t think that’s the strongest move, so we dive into how therapists can more effectively support individuals who are lonely.
What are misconceptions about loneliness?
·      It is a normal human feeling and doesn’t always need to be fixed
·      Loneliness is not always related to major depression
·      Loneliness is not the same as isolation, nor is it the same as solitude
What are considerations related to loneliness and socialization?
·      The impact of Covid-19 on individuals and on socialization
·      The changes in how people socialize in the modern age
·      Cognitive distortions when one socializes
·      Attachment wounds and differences in how people relate to others
·      Gender differences in connection and expectations about roles in relationships
How can a therapist explore with a client their relationship with loneliness?
·      Looking at what people need when feeling loneliness
·      Exploring how understood and seen one feels within their relationships
·      Sorting how one can get their needs met with what is available to them
What are the practical considerations needed to address loneliness?
·      Identifying ways to connect with others that fits into time and money parameters
·      Going beyond similar interests and how to find people to truly connect with
·      Exploring coping skills, rejection sensitivity, and self-confidence to set one up for success
·      Looking at how to test new experiences, fail and rebound or succeed and build

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Can Therapists Do About the Loneliness Epidemic?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about loneliness as a presenting problem in therapy. We explore the misconceptions about loneliness and how therapists often go to fix the problem rather than understand the problem. We also look at the clinical considerations, including gender differences, the impact of Covid-19, and the changes in how people socialize. Finally, we identify treatment strategies to support individuals struggling with loneliness. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Can Therapists Do About the Loneliness Epidemic?
Curt and Katie chat about loneliness as a presenting problem in therapy. We explore the misconceptions about loneliness and how therapists often go to fix the problem rather than understand the problem. We also look at the clinical considerations, including gender differences, the impact of Covid-19, and the changes in how people socialize. Finally, we identify treatment strategies to support individuals struggling with loneliness.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists support clients who are lonely
There is a loneliness epidemic that is coming into the therapy room a lot and we’ve heard from clients, colleagues, and friends that the first response is “fix it.” We don’t think that’s the strongest move, so we dive into how therapists can more effectively support individuals who are lonely.
What are misconceptions about loneliness?
·      It is a normal human feeling and doesn’t always need to be fixed
·      Loneliness is not always related to major depression
·      Loneliness is not the same as isolation, nor is it the same as solitude
What are considerations related to loneliness and socialization?
·      The impact of Covid-19 on individuals and on socialization
·      The changes in how people socialize in the modern age
·      Cognitive distortions when one socializes
·      Attachment wounds and differences in how people relate to others
·      Gender differences in connection and expectations about roles in relationships
How can a therapist explore with a client their relationship with loneliness?
·      Looking at what people need when feeling loneliness
·      Exploring how understood and seen one feels within their relationships
·      Sorting how one can get their needs met with what is available to them
What are the practical considerations needed to address loneliness?
·      Identifying ways to connect with others that fits into time and money parameters
·      Going beyond similar interests and how to find people to truly connect with
·      Exploring coping skills, rejection sensitivity, and self-confidence to set one up for success
·      Looking at how to test new experiences, fail and rebound or succeed and build

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What Can Therapists Do About the Loneliness Epidemic?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about loneliness as a presenting problem in therapy. We explore the misconceptions about loneliness and how therapists often go to fix the problem rather than understand the problem. We also look at the clinical considerations, including gender differences, the impact of Covid-19, and the changes in how people socialize. Finally, we identify treatment strategies to support individuals struggling with loneliness.  </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists support clients who are lonely</h2><p>There is a loneliness epidemic that is coming into the therapy room a lot and we’ve heard from clients, colleagues, and friends that the first response is “fix it.” We don’t think that’s the strongest move, so we dive into how therapists can more effectively support individuals who are lonely.</p><h3>What are misconceptions about loneliness?</h3><p>·      It is a normal human feeling and doesn’t always need to be fixed</p><p>·      Loneliness is not always related to major depression</p><p>·      Loneliness is not the same as isolation, nor is it the same as solitude</p><h3>What are considerations related to loneliness and socialization?</h3><p>·      The impact of Covid-19 on individuals and on socialization</p><p>·      The changes in how people socialize in the modern age</p><p>·      Cognitive distortions when one socializes</p><p>·      Attachment wounds and differences in how people relate to others</p><p>·      Gender differences in connection and expectations about roles in relationships</p><h3>How can a therapist explore with a client their relationship with loneliness?</h3><p>·      Looking at what people need when feeling loneliness</p><p>·      Exploring how understood and seen one feels within their relationships</p><p>·      Sorting how one can get their needs met with what is available to them</p><h3>What are the practical considerations needed to address loneliness?</h3><p>·      Identifying ways to connect with others that fits into time and money parameters</p><p>·      Going beyond similar interests and how to find people to truly connect with</p><p>·      Exploring coping skills, rejection sensitivity, and self-confidence to set one up for success</p><p>·      Looking at how to test new experiences, fail and rebound or succeed and build</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>When Doing “No Harm” Isn’t Good Enough: Bringing beneficence to your clients</title>
      <description>When Doing “No Harm” Isn’t Good Enough: Bringing beneficence to your clients
Curt and Katie chat about ethics again. We look at how therapists decide what is beneficial for clients. We also contrast the concept of “beneficence” (doing good) versus “nonmaleficence” (doing no harm). We specifically explore how to identify when something is in the therapist’s interest versus the client’s interest as well as what therapists can do when clients hold harmful, untrue beliefs. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists do good, beyond “do no harm”
Therapist healthcare ethics are often taught from the perspective that the professional’s role is to “do no harm” when providing treatment to clients. Lost in the teachings is that therapists have other obligations to address when providing treatment. This workshop focuses on examples of bringing the principle healthcare ethic of beneficence to therapy to help determine “doing good” for the client’s benefit.
What is beneficence in the context of psychotherapy?
·      Do what is good for the client and for treatment
·      “For the benefit if the client”
·      Comparing this with the idea of non-maleficence (“do no harm”) which is don’t do bad things, but also try to prevent bad things from happening
How do therapists decide what is “good” for their client?
·      Assessing the risk of overtaking client autonomy and becoming paternal or parental
·      Balancing all of the core ethical principles and putting them in context for the unique situation for each client
·      Looking at whether therapist self-disclosure is in the benefit of the client
·      Identifying what is therapeutic and beneficial
·      Making sure that therapists move beyond what is comfortable (and not “harmful”) to something that may be less comfortable (and more beneficial)
·      Looking at who therapists choose to work with, balancing therapist self-care and self-protection with what is beneficial to the client and society
What are specific concerns to consider when deciding whether a therapist is working for the benefit of the client?
·      Therapy dogs (are they certified and registered, is it in the treatment plan)
·      Contact between sessions initiated by the therapist (who is the contact for? What does the treatment model say about this type of contact?)
·      Have a thought process and document that thought process when deciding what to do as a therapist
What can therapists do when clients hold distorted beliefs?
·      Identify: Do the distorted beliefs that the client holds cause (or could cause) harm?
·      Understand: What laws or ethics are relevant to whether the distorted belief should be addressed?
·      Get client consent (or not) to talk about the distorted belief and potentially change the course of therapy
·      Is it necessary to discuss the belief at this time?
·      What countertransference issues could impact the efficacy of the conversation with the client?
·      Will the conversation be helpful and potentially change the client’s view?
·      How will the conversation change the course of therapy?
·      Does the therapist have appropriate expertise and training to address the distorted belief?

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      <pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>When Doing No Harm Is Not Good Enough: Bringing beneficence to your clients</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about ethics again. We look at how therapists decide what is beneficial for clients. We also contrast the concept of “beneficence” (doing good) versus “nonmaleficence” (doing no harm).  We specifically explore how to identify when something is in the therapist’s interest versus the client’s interest as well as what therapists can do when clients hold harmful, untrue beliefs. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Doing “No Harm” Isn’t Good Enough: Bringing beneficence to your clients
Curt and Katie chat about ethics again. We look at how therapists decide what is beneficial for clients. We also contrast the concept of “beneficence” (doing good) versus “nonmaleficence” (doing no harm). We specifically explore how to identify when something is in the therapist’s interest versus the client’s interest as well as what therapists can do when clients hold harmful, untrue beliefs. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists do good, beyond “do no harm”
Therapist healthcare ethics are often taught from the perspective that the professional’s role is to “do no harm” when providing treatment to clients. Lost in the teachings is that therapists have other obligations to address when providing treatment. This workshop focuses on examples of bringing the principle healthcare ethic of beneficence to therapy to help determine “doing good” for the client’s benefit.
What is beneficence in the context of psychotherapy?
·      Do what is good for the client and for treatment
·      “For the benefit if the client”
·      Comparing this with the idea of non-maleficence (“do no harm”) which is don’t do bad things, but also try to prevent bad things from happening
How do therapists decide what is “good” for their client?
·      Assessing the risk of overtaking client autonomy and becoming paternal or parental
·      Balancing all of the core ethical principles and putting them in context for the unique situation for each client
·      Looking at whether therapist self-disclosure is in the benefit of the client
·      Identifying what is therapeutic and beneficial
·      Making sure that therapists move beyond what is comfortable (and not “harmful”) to something that may be less comfortable (and more beneficial)
·      Looking at who therapists choose to work with, balancing therapist self-care and self-protection with what is beneficial to the client and society
What are specific concerns to consider when deciding whether a therapist is working for the benefit of the client?
·      Therapy dogs (are they certified and registered, is it in the treatment plan)
·      Contact between sessions initiated by the therapist (who is the contact for? What does the treatment model say about this type of contact?)
·      Have a thought process and document that thought process when deciding what to do as a therapist
What can therapists do when clients hold distorted beliefs?
·      Identify: Do the distorted beliefs that the client holds cause (or could cause) harm?
·      Understand: What laws or ethics are relevant to whether the distorted belief should be addressed?
·      Get client consent (or not) to talk about the distorted belief and potentially change the course of therapy
·      Is it necessary to discuss the belief at this time?
·      What countertransference issues could impact the efficacy of the conversation with the client?
·      Will the conversation be helpful and potentially change the client’s view?
·      How will the conversation change the course of therapy?
·      Does the therapist have appropriate expertise and training to address the distorted belief?

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>When Doing “No Harm” Isn’t Good Enough: Bringing beneficence to your clients</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about ethics again. We look at how therapists decide what is beneficial for clients. We also contrast the concept of “beneficence” (doing good) versus “nonmaleficence” (doing no harm). We specifically explore how to identify when something is in the therapist’s interest versus the client’s interest as well as what therapists can do when clients hold harmful, untrue beliefs. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists do good, beyond “do no harm”</h2><p>Therapist healthcare ethics are often taught from the perspective that the professional’s role is to “do no harm” when providing treatment to clients. Lost in the teachings is that therapists have other obligations to address when providing treatment. This workshop focuses on examples of bringing the principle healthcare ethic of beneficence to therapy to help determine “doing good” for the client’s benefit.</p><h3>What is beneficence in the context of psychotherapy?</h3><p>·      Do what is good for the client and for treatment</p><p>·      “For the benefit if the client”</p><p>·      Comparing this with the idea of non-maleficence (“do no harm”) which is don’t do bad things, but also try to prevent bad things from happening</p><h3>How do therapists decide what is “good” for their client?</h3><p>·      Assessing the risk of overtaking client autonomy and becoming paternal or parental</p><p>·      Balancing all of the core ethical principles and putting them in context for the unique situation for each client</p><p>·      Looking at whether therapist self-disclosure is in the benefit of the client</p><p>·      Identifying what is therapeutic and beneficial</p><p>·      Making sure that therapists move beyond what is comfortable (and not “harmful”) to something that may be less comfortable (and more beneficial)</p><p>·      Looking at who therapists choose to work with, balancing therapist self-care and self-protection with what is beneficial to the client and society</p><h3>What are specific concerns to consider when deciding whether a therapist is working for the benefit of the client?</h3><p>·      Therapy dogs (are they certified and registered, is it in the treatment plan)</p><p>·      Contact between sessions initiated by the therapist (who is the contact for? What does the treatment model say about this type of contact?)</p><p>·      Have a thought process and document that thought process when deciding what to do as a therapist</p><h3>What can therapists do when clients hold distorted beliefs?</h3><p>·      Identify: Do the distorted beliefs that the client holds cause (or could cause) harm?</p><p>·      Understand: What laws or ethics are relevant to whether the distorted belief should be addressed?</p><p>·      Get client consent (or not) to talk about the distorted belief and potentially change the course of therapy</p><p>·      Is it necessary to discuss the belief at this time?</p><p>·      What countertransference issues could impact the efficacy of the conversation with the client?</p><p>·      Will the conversation be helpful and potentially change the client’s view?</p><p>·      How will the conversation change the course of therapy?</p><p>·      Does the therapist have appropriate expertise and training to address the distorted belief?</p><p><br></p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><h3>Continuing Education Approvals:</h3><p>When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Is Seeking an “Abundance Mindset” Toxic?</title>
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Curt and Katie chat about abundance and scarcity mindsets, looking at what the research actually says about these often-used terms. We explore the dangers of how the abundance mindset is often weaponized against entrepreneurs (like private practitioners) in how they think and how much they should pay for coaching services. We also look at the role of privilege in how these mindsets are often talked about. Finally, we explore what might be better to focus on instead: practical or growth mindsets as well as wise mind.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk the dangers of striving for abundance mindset
We’ve heard a lot of people in a lot of different settings talk about the ideas of abundance and scarcity mindsets. We see some problems in how these concepts are used within popular culture.
What does the research say about scarcity and abundance mindsets?
·      When you have scarce resources, you will work to protect yourself and avoid death
·      There is research done on actual “scarcity” that is being inaccurately applied to people who do not have scarce resources (like some of the coaches and entrepreneurs who use this term)
·      People who have more resources think more abundantly (the finding is correlational, not directional)
What are the dangers of the “abundance mindset?”
·      The unrealistic nature of “thinking” your way out of poverty or practical challenges (without the reality of action)
·      The blaming the victim that can happen when someone is having trouble reframing their situation more positively
·      Weaponizing “abundance” to imply that you are sabotaging your practice
·      Using “abundance” as a sales tactic
What should therapists do instead of “being abundant?”
·      A strategic or problem-solving mindset
·      Learning practical strategies to do the work necessary
·      Allowing time to grow into the vision of your practice
·      Growth versus fixed mindset
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Is Seeking an Abundance Mindset Toxic?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about abundance and scarcity mindsets, looking at what the research actually says about these often-used terms. We explore the dangers of how the abundance mindset is often weaponized against entrepreneurs (like private practitioners) in how they think and how much they should pay for coaching services. We also look at the role of privilege in how these mindsets are often talked about. Finally, we explore what might be better to focus on instead: practical or growth mindsets as well as wise mind.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is Seeking an “Abundance Mindset” Toxic?
Curt and Katie chat about abundance and scarcity mindsets, looking at what the research actually says about these often-used terms. We explore the dangers of how the abundance mindset is often weaponized against entrepreneurs (like private practitioners) in how they think and how much they should pay for coaching services. We also look at the role of privilege in how these mindsets are often talked about. Finally, we explore what might be better to focus on instead: practical or growth mindsets as well as wise mind.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk the dangers of striving for abundance mindset
We’ve heard a lot of people in a lot of different settings talk about the ideas of abundance and scarcity mindsets. We see some problems in how these concepts are used within popular culture.
What does the research say about scarcity and abundance mindsets?
·      When you have scarce resources, you will work to protect yourself and avoid death
·      There is research done on actual “scarcity” that is being inaccurately applied to people who do not have scarce resources (like some of the coaches and entrepreneurs who use this term)
·      People who have more resources think more abundantly (the finding is correlational, not directional)
What are the dangers of the “abundance mindset?”
·      The unrealistic nature of “thinking” your way out of poverty or practical challenges (without the reality of action)
·      The blaming the victim that can happen when someone is having trouble reframing their situation more positively
·      Weaponizing “abundance” to imply that you are sabotaging your practice
·      Using “abundance” as a sales tactic
What should therapists do instead of “being abundant?”
·      A strategic or problem-solving mindset
·      Learning practical strategies to do the work necessary
·      Allowing time to grow into the vision of your practice
·      Growth versus fixed mindset
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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        <![CDATA[<h1>Is Seeking an “Abundance Mindset” Toxic?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about abundance and scarcity mindsets, looking at what the research actually says about these often-used terms. We explore the dangers of how the abundance mindset is often weaponized against entrepreneurs (like private practitioners) in how they think and how much they should pay for coaching services. We also look at the role of privilege in how these mindsets are often talked about. Finally, we explore what might be better to focus on instead: practical or growth mindsets as well as wise mind.  </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk the dangers of striving for abundance mindset</h2><p>We’ve heard a lot of people in a lot of different settings talk about the ideas of abundance and scarcity mindsets. We see some problems in how these concepts are used within popular culture.</p><h3>What does the research say about scarcity and abundance mindsets?</h3><p>·      When you have scarce resources, you will work to protect yourself and avoid death</p><p>·      There is research done on actual “scarcity” that is being inaccurately applied to people who do not have scarce resources (like some of the coaches and entrepreneurs who use this term)</p><p>·      People who have more resources think more abundantly (the finding is correlational, not directional)</p><h3>What are the dangers of the “abundance mindset?”</h3><p>·      The unrealistic nature of “thinking” your way out of poverty or practical challenges (without the reality of action)</p><p>·      The blaming the victim that can happen when someone is having trouble reframing their situation more positively</p><p>·      Weaponizing “abundance” to imply that you are sabotaging your practice</p><p>·      Using “abundance” as a sales tactic</p><h3>What should therapists do instead of “being abundant?”</h3><p>·      A strategic or problem-solving mindset</p><p>·      Learning practical strategies to do the work necessary</p><p>·      Allowing time to grow into the vision of your practice</p><p>·      Growth versus fixed mindset</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>How to Navigate Shifts in the Mental Health Field and Your Career Path: An interview with Dr. Melvin Varghese</title>
      <description>How to Navigate Shifts in the Mental Health Field and Your Career Path: An interview with Dr. Melvin Varghese
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Melvin Varghese about how he’s navigated his career path. We look at a life changing event that helped him to get perspective on what is most important to him. We also explore practicalities of prioritizing personal life as an entrepreneur. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how to prioritize your personal life while having a successful career
We invited our friend Melvin Varghese back to the podcast to talk about how he is navigating shifts in the profession and his life.
 What do therapists get wrong when creating their career?
·      Doing too much and not doing things deeply enough
·      Shifting too quickly when things get hard
·      Failing to look at season of life issues when planning your business
·      Having trouble defining success based on what is resonant to oneself
How can therapists prioritize themselves and sustain a therapy career?
·      Pace yourself based on your own life story, not a mentor’s or the “shoulds” from the profession
·      Be willing to “fail forward”
·      Pushing back against “curated authenticity” and look at how to be real, with boundaries
·      Aligning career with morals and values
·      Focus on “decades over days”
·      Sustainable content creation
What are Melvin’s predictions about the future of the profession?
·      Authenticity and real conversations will succeed where AI posting will not
·      Finding content platforms where effort compounds over time
·      Discovery platforms leading to relationship-deepening platforms
·      Navigating a lot of tech and insurance companies
·      People have less discretionary money, so diversifying your income is valuable
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How to Navigate Shifts in the Mental Health Field and Your Career Path: An interview with Dr. Melvin Varghese</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/da19ce18-075a-11ef-a51d-374a800e104b/image/bd92fff0f08d88b16d383cfed437999b.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Melvin Varghese about how he’s navigated his career path. We look at a life changing event that helped him to get perspective on what is most important to him. We also explore practicalities of prioritizing personal life as an entrepreneur. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How to Navigate Shifts in the Mental Health Field and Your Career Path: An interview with Dr. Melvin Varghese
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Melvin Varghese about how he’s navigated his career path. We look at a life changing event that helped him to get perspective on what is most important to him. We also explore practicalities of prioritizing personal life as an entrepreneur. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how to prioritize your personal life while having a successful career
We invited our friend Melvin Varghese back to the podcast to talk about how he is navigating shifts in the profession and his life.
 What do therapists get wrong when creating their career?
·      Doing too much and not doing things deeply enough
·      Shifting too quickly when things get hard
·      Failing to look at season of life issues when planning your business
·      Having trouble defining success based on what is resonant to oneself
How can therapists prioritize themselves and sustain a therapy career?
·      Pace yourself based on your own life story, not a mentor’s or the “shoulds” from the profession
·      Be willing to “fail forward”
·      Pushing back against “curated authenticity” and look at how to be real, with boundaries
·      Aligning career with morals and values
·      Focus on “decades over days”
·      Sustainable content creation
What are Melvin’s predictions about the future of the profession?
·      Authenticity and real conversations will succeed where AI posting will not
·      Finding content platforms where effort compounds over time
·      Discovery platforms leading to relationship-deepening platforms
·      Navigating a lot of tech and insurance companies
·      People have less discretionary money, so diversifying your income is valuable
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How to Navigate Shifts in the Mental Health Field and Your Career Path: An interview with Dr. Melvin Varghese</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Melvin Varghese about how he’s navigated his career path. We look at a life changing event that helped him to get perspective on what is most important to him. We also explore practicalities of prioritizing personal life as an entrepreneur. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how to prioritize your personal life while having a successful career</h2><p>We invited our friend Melvin Varghese back to the podcast to talk about how he is navigating shifts in the profession and his life.</p><h3> What do therapists get wrong when creating their career?</h3><p>·      Doing too much and not doing things deeply enough</p><p>·      Shifting too quickly when things get hard</p><p>·      Failing to look at season of life issues when planning your business</p><p>·      Having trouble defining success based on what is resonant to oneself</p><h3>How can therapists prioritize themselves and sustain a therapy career?</h3><p>·      Pace yourself based on your own life story, not a mentor’s or the “shoulds” from the profession</p><p>·      Be willing to “fail forward”</p><p>·      Pushing back against “curated authenticity” and look at how to be real, with boundaries</p><p>·      Aligning career with morals and values</p><p>·      Focus on “decades over days”</p><p>·      Sustainable content creation</p><h3>What are Melvin’s predictions about the future of the profession?</h3><p>·      Authenticity and real conversations will succeed where AI posting will not</p><p>·      Finding content platforms where effort compounds over time</p><p>·      Discovery platforms leading to relationship-deepening platforms</p><p>·      Navigating a lot of tech and insurance companies</p><p>·      People have less discretionary money, so diversifying your income is valuable</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Are Therapy and Coaching All That Different?</title>
      <description>Are Therapy and Coaching All That Different?
Curt and Katie chat about the differences between coaching and therapy, for a second time. We look at some common myths (and how coaches continue to share this misinformation). We also look at how therapists can effectively incorporate coaching into their therapy sessions, with client consent. Finally, we discuss the challenges inherent in coaching and in therapy, and why therapists may feel they need to choose one or the other. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk the differences between coaching and therapy
We’ve come back around to exploring coaching. We look at the differences, the pros and cons, and what therapists can incorporate into therapy.
What are the differences between coaching and therapy?
·      There are no regulations for coaching
·      Therapists are limited to providing services where they are licensed or have practicing privileges
·      Coaching is often more directive (but therapy can be directive as well)
·      Coaching has flexibility to work outside of session (although therapists can do coaching calls and more experiential work)
·      Therapy often requires “medical necessity,” and can treat more serious concerns
·      There are sometimes different structures between how therapy and coaching are set up (i.e., coaching has more room for asynchronous courses)
·      There is a false story that therapy always looks at the past or sees clients as broken
What parts of coaching can therapists incorporate into therapy?
·      Therapists can use a more directive, coaching style, even though not all therapists do
·      Therapists, within a treatment agreement, can (and should) hold clients accountable and have more specific goals
·      Lived experience informing the work
·      Marketing with specificity and focused expertise
Why do therapists feel they need to choose between therapy and coaching?
·      It is more complicated to provide different services to your clients
·      There is a potential for dual relationships and the rules are different within coaching
·      The need for informed consent can hinder some of the other types of services that fit into coaching
·      Coaching is for the “worried well” whereas therapy can include folks with deeper issues

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Are Therapy and Coaching All That Different?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/ccdd2044-00eb-11ef-b1ae-4fc2f481529f/image/b9c353600cd2287ca9c01f4f6d9a562e.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the differences between coaching and therapy, for a second time. We look at some common myths (and how coaches continue to share this misinformation). We also look at how therapists can effectively incorporate coaching into their therapy sessions, with client consent. Finally, we discuss the challenges inherent in coaching and in therapy, and why therapists may feel they need to choose one or the other. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Are Therapy and Coaching All That Different?
Curt and Katie chat about the differences between coaching and therapy, for a second time. We look at some common myths (and how coaches continue to share this misinformation). We also look at how therapists can effectively incorporate coaching into their therapy sessions, with client consent. Finally, we discuss the challenges inherent in coaching and in therapy, and why therapists may feel they need to choose one or the other. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk the differences between coaching and therapy
We’ve come back around to exploring coaching. We look at the differences, the pros and cons, and what therapists can incorporate into therapy.
What are the differences between coaching and therapy?
·      There are no regulations for coaching
·      Therapists are limited to providing services where they are licensed or have practicing privileges
·      Coaching is often more directive (but therapy can be directive as well)
·      Coaching has flexibility to work outside of session (although therapists can do coaching calls and more experiential work)
·      Therapy often requires “medical necessity,” and can treat more serious concerns
·      There are sometimes different structures between how therapy and coaching are set up (i.e., coaching has more room for asynchronous courses)
·      There is a false story that therapy always looks at the past or sees clients as broken
What parts of coaching can therapists incorporate into therapy?
·      Therapists can use a more directive, coaching style, even though not all therapists do
·      Therapists, within a treatment agreement, can (and should) hold clients accountable and have more specific goals
·      Lived experience informing the work
·      Marketing with specificity and focused expertise
Why do therapists feel they need to choose between therapy and coaching?
·      It is more complicated to provide different services to your clients
·      There is a potential for dual relationships and the rules are different within coaching
·      The need for informed consent can hinder some of the other types of services that fit into coaching
·      Coaching is for the “worried well” whereas therapy can include folks with deeper issues

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Are Therapy and Coaching All That Different?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the differences between coaching and therapy, for a second time. We look at some common myths (and how coaches continue to share this misinformation). We also look at how therapists can effectively incorporate coaching into their therapy sessions, with client consent. Finally, we discuss the challenges inherent in coaching and in therapy, and why therapists may feel they need to choose one or the other. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk the differences between coaching and therapy</h2><p>We’ve come back around to exploring coaching. We look at the differences, the pros and cons, and what therapists can incorporate into therapy.</p><h3>What are the differences between coaching and therapy?</h3><p>·      There are no regulations for coaching</p><p>·      Therapists are limited to providing services where they are licensed or have practicing privileges</p><p>·      Coaching is often more directive (but therapy can be directive as well)</p><p>·      Coaching has flexibility to work outside of session (although therapists can do coaching calls and more experiential work)</p><p>·      Therapy often requires “medical necessity,” and can treat more serious concerns</p><p>·      There are sometimes different structures between how therapy and coaching are set up (i.e., coaching has more room for asynchronous courses)</p><p>·      There is a false story that therapy always looks at the past or sees clients as broken</p><h3>What parts of coaching can therapists incorporate into therapy?</h3><p>·      Therapists can use a more directive, coaching style, even though not all therapists do</p><p>·      Therapists, within a treatment agreement, can (and should) hold clients accountable and have more specific goals</p><p>·      Lived experience informing the work</p><p>·      Marketing with specificity and focused expertise</p><h3>Why do therapists feel they need to choose between therapy and coaching?</h3><p>·      It is more complicated to provide different services to your clients</p><p>·      There is a potential for dual relationships and the rules are different within coaching</p><p>·      The need for informed consent can hinder some of the other types of services that fit into coaching</p><p>·      Coaching is for the “worried well” whereas therapy can include folks with deeper issues</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Are You Too Burned Out to Work? An ethical assessment of therapist burnout and impairment</title>
      <description>Are You Too Burned Out to Work? An ethical assessment of therapist burnout and impairment
Curt and Katie chat about the ethics of working while burned out. We look at what burnout is, how it develops and what the impacts are on clients and treatment outcomes. We also explore individual and systemic strategies to mitigate the risks of burnout. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about therapist burnout
So many therapists complain that they are burned out, but then continue to work. Is this ethical? In this continuing education podcourse, we explore what therapist burnout is, how therapists get burned out, potential impacts on the therapeutic work with clients, and when (and whether) it moves into the threshold of unethical behavior. We talk specifically about what makes a therapist impaired and how therapists can assess their own capacity to ethically care for their clients. We also look at how to respond to signs of burnout appropriately. Finally, we dig into systemic concerns that lead to burnout and who really is responsible for a therapist’s burnout and potential impairment.

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our learning platform
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Are You Too Burned Out to Work? An ethical assessment of therapist burnout and impairment</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/e589e43c-f070-11ee-875f-87f35de04ea3/image/b4dc8f532e780b2311bbd4d4ce277007.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the ethics of working while burned out. We look at what burnout is, how it develops and what the impacts are on clients and treatment outcomes. We also explore individual and systemic strategies to mitigate the risks of burnout.  This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Are You Too Burned Out to Work? An ethical assessment of therapist burnout and impairment
Curt and Katie chat about the ethics of working while burned out. We look at what burnout is, how it develops and what the impacts are on clients and treatment outcomes. We also explore individual and systemic strategies to mitigate the risks of burnout. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about therapist burnout
So many therapists complain that they are burned out, but then continue to work. Is this ethical? In this continuing education podcourse, we explore what therapist burnout is, how therapists get burned out, potential impacts on the therapeutic work with clients, and when (and whether) it moves into the threshold of unethical behavior. We talk specifically about what makes a therapist impaired and how therapists can assess their own capacity to ethically care for their clients. We also look at how to respond to signs of burnout appropriately. Finally, we dig into systemic concerns that lead to burnout and who really is responsible for a therapist’s burnout and potential impairment.

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our learning platform
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Are You Too Burned Out to Work? An ethical assessment of therapist burnout and impairment</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the ethics of working while burned out. We look at what burnout is, how it develops and what the impacts are on clients and treatment outcomes. We also explore individual and systemic strategies to mitigate the risks of burnout. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about therapist burnout</h2><p>So many therapists complain that they are burned out, but then continue to work. Is this ethical? In this continuing education podcourse, we explore what therapist burnout is, how therapists get burned out, potential impacts on the therapeutic work with clients, and when (and whether) it moves into the threshold of unethical behavior. We talk specifically about what makes a therapist impaired and how therapists can assess their own capacity to ethically care for their clients. We also look at how to respond to signs of burnout appropriately. Finally, we dig into systemic concerns that lead to burnout and who really is responsible for a therapist’s burnout and potential impairment.</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><h3>Continuing Education Approvals: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</h3><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://moderntherapistcommunity.com/podcourse/">Our learning platform</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Therapists Need to Know About Menopause and Perimenopause: An interview with Dr. Sharon Malone, MD</title>
      <description>What Therapists Need to Know About Menopause and Perimenopause: An interview with Dr. Sharon Malone, MD
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Sharon Malone, MD, author of Grown Woman Talk, about menopause and perimenopause. We explore the mental health impacts as well as the differential diagnosis when assessing a woman over 40 who might be experiencing this phase of life. We also talk about what good treatment can look like, including discussing the debate about hormone therapies.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about mental health impacts of (peri)menopause
After Katie was diagnosed with perimenopause, she began looking for sources of information on this seldom-talked-about phase of women’s lives. She found Dr. Sharon Malone’s work and was so excited that she agreed to come on to talk about menopause and perimenopause as well as her new book, Grown Woman Talk!
What is perimenopause and menopause?
·      Life stages for women in midlife and beyond
·      Hormonal shifts (not just dropping, but inconsistent through
·      Remodeling of the brain
·      Perimenopause is not short, it can be up to a decade
·      Too often women think they can power through, but it can and should be treated
What are the psychological impacts of perimenopause and menopause?
·      Feeling different or more emotional due to hormonal shifts during up to a decade prior to menopause (when hormones drop)
·      During perimenopause there is an uptick in depression, anxiety, sleeplessness, late onset ADHD, rage, brain fog
·      Perimenopausal mood and psychological changes may be better treated by hormones than by typical psychotropics
·      The differential diagnosis should start with ruling out perimenopause for any woman 40+
What does good perimenopause treatment look like?
·      The most effective treatment of perimenopausal symptoms is estrogen or menopause hormone treatment
·      Too often, women get individual symptoms treated by individual specialists rather than a more global impact of hormone imbalances
·      Hormone treatments can potentiate antidepressant (synergistic effect) for mood concerns
·      We also address the concerns related to hormone treatment (the study was misrepresented)
·      Women should be armed with the questions to ask and collaborate and agree on treatment with their doctors
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Therapists Need to Know About Menopause and Perimenopause: An interview with Dr. Sharon Malone, MD</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Sharon Malone, MD, author of Grown Woman Talk, about menopause and perimenopause. We explore the mental health impacts as well as the differential diagnosis when assessing a woman over 40 who might be experiencing this phase of life. We also talk about what good treatment can look like, including discussing the debate about hormone therapies. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Therapists Need to Know About Menopause and Perimenopause: An interview with Dr. Sharon Malone, MD
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Sharon Malone, MD, author of Grown Woman Talk, about menopause and perimenopause. We explore the mental health impacts as well as the differential diagnosis when assessing a woman over 40 who might be experiencing this phase of life. We also talk about what good treatment can look like, including discussing the debate about hormone therapies.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about mental health impacts of (peri)menopause
After Katie was diagnosed with perimenopause, she began looking for sources of information on this seldom-talked-about phase of women’s lives. She found Dr. Sharon Malone’s work and was so excited that she agreed to come on to talk about menopause and perimenopause as well as her new book, Grown Woman Talk!
What is perimenopause and menopause?
·      Life stages for women in midlife and beyond
·      Hormonal shifts (not just dropping, but inconsistent through
·      Remodeling of the brain
·      Perimenopause is not short, it can be up to a decade
·      Too often women think they can power through, but it can and should be treated
What are the psychological impacts of perimenopause and menopause?
·      Feeling different or more emotional due to hormonal shifts during up to a decade prior to menopause (when hormones drop)
·      During perimenopause there is an uptick in depression, anxiety, sleeplessness, late onset ADHD, rage, brain fog
·      Perimenopausal mood and psychological changes may be better treated by hormones than by typical psychotropics
·      The differential diagnosis should start with ruling out perimenopause for any woman 40+
What does good perimenopause treatment look like?
·      The most effective treatment of perimenopausal symptoms is estrogen or menopause hormone treatment
·      Too often, women get individual symptoms treated by individual specialists rather than a more global impact of hormone imbalances
·      Hormone treatments can potentiate antidepressant (synergistic effect) for mood concerns
·      We also address the concerns related to hormone treatment (the study was misrepresented)
·      Women should be armed with the questions to ask and collaborate and agree on treatment with their doctors
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What Therapists Need to Know About Menopause and Perimenopause: An interview with Dr. Sharon Malone, MD</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Sharon Malone, MD, author of Grown Woman Talk, about menopause and perimenopause. We explore the mental health impacts as well as the differential diagnosis when assessing a woman over 40 who might be experiencing this phase of life. We also talk about what good treatment can look like, including discussing the debate about hormone therapies.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about mental health impacts of (peri)menopause</h2><p>After Katie was diagnosed with perimenopause, she began looking for sources of information on this seldom-talked-about phase of women’s lives. She found Dr. Sharon Malone’s work and was so excited that she agreed to come on to talk about menopause and perimenopause as well as her new book, Grown Woman Talk!</p><h3>What is perimenopause and menopause?</h3><p>·      Life stages for women in midlife and beyond</p><p>·      Hormonal shifts (not just dropping, but inconsistent through</p><p>·      Remodeling of the brain</p><p>·      Perimenopause is not short, it can be up to a decade</p><p>·      Too often women think they can power through, but it can and should be treated</p><h3>What are the psychological impacts of perimenopause and menopause?</h3><p>·      Feeling different or more emotional due to hormonal shifts during up to a decade prior to menopause (when hormones drop)</p><p>·      During perimenopause there is an uptick in depression, anxiety, sleeplessness, late onset ADHD, rage, brain fog</p><p>·      Perimenopausal mood and psychological changes may be better treated by hormones than by typical psychotropics</p><p>·      The differential diagnosis should start with ruling out perimenopause for any woman 40+</p><h3>What does good perimenopause treatment look like?</h3><p>·      The most effective treatment of perimenopausal symptoms is estrogen or menopause hormone treatment</p><p>·      Too often, women get individual symptoms treated by individual specialists rather than a more global impact of hormone imbalances</p><p>·      Hormone treatments can potentiate antidepressant (synergistic effect) for mood concerns</p><p>·      We also address the concerns related to hormone treatment (the study was misrepresented)</p><p>·      Women should be armed with the questions to ask and collaborate and agree on treatment with their doctors</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Conscious and Trauma-Informed Leadership: An interview with Kelly L. Campbell</title>
      <description>Conscious and Trauma-Informed Leadership: An interview with Kelly L. Campbell
Curt and Katie interview Kelly Campbell about her work with leaders. We explore the ways in which trauma can impact leaders, their teams, and their organizations. We also look at what trauma-informed leadership coaching can look like, including overarching goals for trauma-informed and high conscious leadership.     
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we explore trauma-informed leadership
While writing her book, Kelly Campbell reached out to Curt and Katie to connect with a previous interviewee, Dr. Sidney Stone -Brown. We loved that she is talking about trauma-informed leadership, so we invited her to come on the podcast to talk with us about it.   
 What is trauma-informed leadership coaching?
·      Recognizing that past traumas can impact how someone leads a group
·      Identifying impacts of trauma on a client’s ability to perform the tasks of leadership
·      Working to shift dynamics within leaders (and their teams) based on impacts of past trauma
What are the common impacts of trauma on leaders and their leadership skills?
·      People-controlling behaviors (like micromanagement)
·      People-pleasing behaviors (like not holding people accountable)
·      Lack of trust
·      Impostor Syndrome
·      Attrition of employees
·      Lower profitability (as a lagging indicator)
What is the goal for trauma-informed leadership?
·      High conscious leaders
·      Vulnerability and trust
·      Healing the impacts of trauma on the workplace
·      Refraining from people-controlling or people-pleasing behaviors
·      Modeling a new way of being to shift the company culture
·      Self-advocacy, clear boundaries, and improved communication
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Conscious and Trauma-Informed Leadership: An interview with Kelly L. Campbell</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/4645d410-eaf0-11ee-a3eb-33cf7f54be93/image/346aa3df5eeb5173a7c33af08968b5b8.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Kelly Campbell about her work with leaders. We explore the ways in which trauma can impact leaders, their teams, and their organizations. We also look at what trauma-informed leadership coaching can look like, including overarching goals for trauma-informed and high conscious leadership.      </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Conscious and Trauma-Informed Leadership: An interview with Kelly L. Campbell
Curt and Katie interview Kelly Campbell about her work with leaders. We explore the ways in which trauma can impact leaders, their teams, and their organizations. We also look at what trauma-informed leadership coaching can look like, including overarching goals for trauma-informed and high conscious leadership.     
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we explore trauma-informed leadership
While writing her book, Kelly Campbell reached out to Curt and Katie to connect with a previous interviewee, Dr. Sidney Stone -Brown. We loved that she is talking about trauma-informed leadership, so we invited her to come on the podcast to talk with us about it.   
 What is trauma-informed leadership coaching?
·      Recognizing that past traumas can impact how someone leads a group
·      Identifying impacts of trauma on a client’s ability to perform the tasks of leadership
·      Working to shift dynamics within leaders (and their teams) based on impacts of past trauma
What are the common impacts of trauma on leaders and their leadership skills?
·      People-controlling behaviors (like micromanagement)
·      People-pleasing behaviors (like not holding people accountable)
·      Lack of trust
·      Impostor Syndrome
·      Attrition of employees
·      Lower profitability (as a lagging indicator)
What is the goal for trauma-informed leadership?
·      High conscious leaders
·      Vulnerability and trust
·      Healing the impacts of trauma on the workplace
·      Refraining from people-controlling or people-pleasing behaviors
·      Modeling a new way of being to shift the company culture
·      Self-advocacy, clear boundaries, and improved communication
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Conscious and Trauma-Informed Leadership: An interview with Kelly L. Campbell</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Kelly Campbell about her work with leaders. We explore the ways in which trauma can impact leaders, their teams, and their organizations. We also look at what trauma-informed leadership coaching can look like, including overarching goals for trauma-informed and high conscious leadership.     </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we explore trauma-informed leadership</h2><p>While writing her book, Kelly Campbell reached out to Curt and Katie to connect with a previous interviewee, Dr. Sidney Stone -Brown. We loved that she is talking about trauma-informed leadership, so we invited her to come on the podcast to talk with us about it.   </p><h3> What is trauma-informed leadership coaching?</h3><p>·      Recognizing that past traumas can impact how someone leads a group</p><p>·      Identifying impacts of trauma on a client’s ability to perform the tasks of leadership</p><p>·      Working to shift dynamics within leaders (and their teams) based on impacts of past trauma</p><h3>What are the common impacts of trauma on leaders and their leadership skills?</h3><p>·      People-controlling behaviors (like micromanagement)</p><p>·      People-pleasing behaviors (like not holding people accountable)</p><p>·      Lack of trust</p><p>·      Impostor Syndrome</p><p>·      Attrition of employees</p><p>·      Lower profitability (as a lagging indicator)</p><h3>What is the goal for trauma-informed leadership?</h3><p>·      High conscious leaders</p><p>·      Vulnerability and trust</p><p>·      Healing the impacts of trauma on the workplace</p><p>·      Refraining from people-controlling or people-pleasing behaviors</p><p>·      Modeling a new way of being to shift the company culture</p><p>·      Self-advocacy, clear boundaries, and improved communication</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Is It Worth It? Analyzing return on investment for your therapy practice</title>
      <description>Is It Worth It? Analyzing return on investment for your therapy practice
Curt and Katie chat about different types of return on investment (ROI) for a therapist in private practice. We look at what therapists often get wrong when deciding how to invest their time, money, or energy. We also give some ideas of what can be more effective in getting the highest ROI (of all types) for your therapy business and career.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk return on investment
In response to last week’s episode on managing your money, we had additional ideas on the concept of a return on investment.
What are the different types of return on investment that therapists have in their practice?
·      The financial ROI of money in versus money out
·      How much time spent versus the benefit to your practice and yourself
·      The amount of energy spent (or saved) or the type of energy you have available at different types of day
·      Connections made while networking and how they can be valuable to a therapist (e.g., referral sources, friends, support system, business collaboration)
·      Learning and expertise, continuing education
·      Enjoyment and fun
·      Supporting mission, vision, and/or values, legacy
What do therapists typically invest time, money, or energy in, that don’t have a good ROI?
·      Saying yes to everyone and every opportunity
·      Going to networking with only financial ROI (getting referrals for your therapy practice) as a goal
·      Insufficient marketing (i.e., not staying consistent through enough touch points before someone refers or signs up as a client)
·      Not assessing return on investment for the different types of activities you perform for your practice
·      Getting additional certifications without a clear ROI for your practice

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about different types of return on investment (ROI) for a therapist in private practice. We look at what therapists often get wrong when deciding how to invest their time, money, or energy. We also give some ideas of what can be more effective in getting the highest ROI (of all types) for your therapy business and career.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is It Worth It? Analyzing return on investment for your therapy practice
Curt and Katie chat about different types of return on investment (ROI) for a therapist in private practice. We look at what therapists often get wrong when deciding how to invest their time, money, or energy. We also give some ideas of what can be more effective in getting the highest ROI (of all types) for your therapy business and career.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk return on investment
In response to last week’s episode on managing your money, we had additional ideas on the concept of a return on investment.
What are the different types of return on investment that therapists have in their practice?
·      The financial ROI of money in versus money out
·      How much time spent versus the benefit to your practice and yourself
·      The amount of energy spent (or saved) or the type of energy you have available at different types of day
·      Connections made while networking and how they can be valuable to a therapist (e.g., referral sources, friends, support system, business collaboration)
·      Learning and expertise, continuing education
·      Enjoyment and fun
·      Supporting mission, vision, and/or values, legacy
What do therapists typically invest time, money, or energy in, that don’t have a good ROI?
·      Saying yes to everyone and every opportunity
·      Going to networking with only financial ROI (getting referrals for your therapy practice) as a goal
·      Insufficient marketing (i.e., not staying consistent through enough touch points before someone refers or signs up as a client)
·      Not assessing return on investment for the different types of activities you perform for your practice
·      Getting additional certifications without a clear ROI for your practice

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

 </itunes:summary>
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      <title>Don’t Forget to Pay Yourself and Other Money Planning Strategies: An interview with Carla Titus</title>
      <description>Don’t Forget to Pay Yourself and Other Money Planning Strategies: An interview with Carla Titus
Curt and Katie interview Carla Titus, Fractional CFO about what therapists get wrong when budgeting for their private practice. We explore financial strategies to maintain a viable business as well as how you can grow your business responsibly. We talk about making sure to pay yourself first, then set up a rainy-day fund, and follow that with saving additional extra funds for hiring or new services before you scale.    
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we explore what therapists need to know about financial planning for their business
Curt and Katie talk with Carla Titus about financially planning for your business. We look at common mistakes as well as how you can grow while still paying yourself.  
 What does financial planning look like for a therapy practice?
·      Managing cash flow
·      Understanding the Return on Investment for new ventures
·      Running the numbers on costs and revenue, the gross margin
·      Calculating the profitability of adding clinicians or trying new programs
·      Working to get a total profit margin of 10-20%
·      Creating a reserve fund and saving profit to reinvest, when needed
Common Mistakes therapists make when financially planning for their practice
·      Not paying attention to their expenses
·      Not tracking cash flow (i.e., not getting billables timely and having expenses that are due before you have the money on hand)
·      Therapists often avoid looking at numbers
·      Scaling before you have another reserve of money to fund it (2-3 payroll runs for a new employee for example)
What should therapists do before hiring a clinician into their private practice?
·      Save money from profit to reinvest into the business
·      Making sure you have your rainy-day fund prior to adding additional funds to float a new person as they get up to speed
·      Make sure you’re able to pay yourself while bringing on the new hire
·      Order of priority: pay yourself, save for a rainy-day, then save for scaling
How can a therapist manage their “money,” even when they are just starting out?
·      If you’re taking out a business loan or grant, have a plan for how you’re going to use that money
·      Focus on revenue generating ideas to be able to get money and/or pay back loans
·      Expenses should also have a high return on investment for the business longevity and the bottom line
·      Try to avoid shiny object syndrome
·      Know the expectation of the outcome for the money you are spending (for example on marketing)
·      Evaluate outcomes and course correct when needed
·      Beware the sunk cost fallacy
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Don’t Forget to Pay Yourself and Other Money Planning Strategies: An interview with Carla Titus</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Carla Titus, Fractional CFO about what therapists get wrong when budgeting for their private practice. We explore financial strategies to maintain a viable business as well as how you can grow your business responsibly. We talk about making sure to pay yourself first, then set up a rainy-day fund, and follow that with saving additional extra funds for hiring or new services before you scale. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Don’t Forget to Pay Yourself and Other Money Planning Strategies: An interview with Carla Titus
Curt and Katie interview Carla Titus, Fractional CFO about what therapists get wrong when budgeting for their private practice. We explore financial strategies to maintain a viable business as well as how you can grow your business responsibly. We talk about making sure to pay yourself first, then set up a rainy-day fund, and follow that with saving additional extra funds for hiring or new services before you scale.    
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!

In this podcast episode, we explore what therapists need to know about financial planning for their business
Curt and Katie talk with Carla Titus about financially planning for your business. We look at common mistakes as well as how you can grow while still paying yourself.  
 What does financial planning look like for a therapy practice?
·      Managing cash flow
·      Understanding the Return on Investment for new ventures
·      Running the numbers on costs and revenue, the gross margin
·      Calculating the profitability of adding clinicians or trying new programs
·      Working to get a total profit margin of 10-20%
·      Creating a reserve fund and saving profit to reinvest, when needed
Common Mistakes therapists make when financially planning for their practice
·      Not paying attention to their expenses
·      Not tracking cash flow (i.e., not getting billables timely and having expenses that are due before you have the money on hand)
·      Therapists often avoid looking at numbers
·      Scaling before you have another reserve of money to fund it (2-3 payroll runs for a new employee for example)
What should therapists do before hiring a clinician into their private practice?
·      Save money from profit to reinvest into the business
·      Making sure you have your rainy-day fund prior to adding additional funds to float a new person as they get up to speed
·      Make sure you’re able to pay yourself while bringing on the new hire
·      Order of priority: pay yourself, save for a rainy-day, then save for scaling
How can a therapist manage their “money,” even when they are just starting out?
·      If you’re taking out a business loan or grant, have a plan for how you’re going to use that money
·      Focus on revenue generating ideas to be able to get money and/or pay back loans
·      Expenses should also have a high return on investment for the business longevity and the bottom line
·      Try to avoid shiny object syndrome
·      Know the expectation of the outcome for the money you are spending (for example on marketing)
·      Evaluate outcomes and course correct when needed
·      Beware the sunk cost fallacy
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Don’t Forget to Pay Yourself and Other Money Planning Strategies: An interview with Carla Titus</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Carla Titus, Fractional CFO about what therapists get wrong when budgeting for their private practice. We explore financial strategies to maintain a viable business as well as how you can grow your business responsibly. We talk about making sure to pay yourself first, then set up a rainy-day fund, and follow that with saving additional extra funds for hiring or new services before you scale.    </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2><br></h2><h2>In this podcast episode, we explore what therapists need to know about financial planning for their business</h2><p>Curt and Katie talk with Carla Titus about financially planning for your business. We look at common mistakes as well as how you can grow while still paying yourself.  </p><h3> What does financial planning look like for a therapy practice?</h3><p>·      Managing cash flow</p><p>·      Understanding the Return on Investment for new ventures</p><p>·      Running the numbers on costs and revenue, the gross margin</p><p>·      Calculating the profitability of adding clinicians or trying new programs</p><p>·      Working to get a total profit margin of 10-20%</p><p>·      Creating a reserve fund and saving profit to reinvest, when needed</p><h3>Common Mistakes therapists make when financially planning for their practice</h3><p>·      Not paying attention to their expenses</p><p>·      Not tracking cash flow (i.e., not getting billables timely and having expenses that are due before you have the money on hand)</p><p>·      Therapists often avoid looking at numbers</p><p>·      Scaling before you have another reserve of money to fund it (2-3 payroll runs for a new employee for example)</p><h3>What should therapists do before hiring a clinician into their private practice?</h3><p>·      Save money from profit to reinvest into the business</p><p>·      Making sure you have your rainy-day fund prior to adding additional funds to float a new person as they get up to speed</p><p>·      Make sure you’re able to pay yourself while bringing on the new hire</p><p>·      Order of priority: pay yourself, save for a rainy-day, then save for scaling</p><h3>How can a therapist manage their “money,” even when they are just starting out?</h3><p>·      If you’re taking out a business loan or grant, have a plan for how you’re going to use that money</p><p>·      Focus on revenue generating ideas to be able to get money and/or pay back loans</p><p>·      Expenses should also have a high return on investment for the business longevity and the bottom line</p><p>·      Try to avoid shiny object syndrome</p><p>·      Know the expectation of the outcome for the money you are spending (for example on marketing)</p><p>·      Evaluate outcomes and course correct when needed</p><p>·      Beware the sunk cost fallacy</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>An Expert Witness Weighs in on Therapist Malpractice: An interview with Dr. Frederic Reamer</title>
      <description>An Expert Witness Weighs in on Therapist Malpractice: An interview with Dr. Frederic Reamer
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Frederic Reamer about his perspective as an expert witness opining on therapist conduct. We talk about the three types of cases he sees (mistakes, challenging decisions, and misconduct) as well as what therapists can do to protect and set themselves up for success.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we share an expert witness perspective on therapist mistakes
Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Frederic Reamer about how therapists can get in trouble as well as what an expert witness does when evaluating these therapist mistakes. 
 What do Expert Witness do for cases involving therapists?
·      Evaluate malpractice and standard of care
·      Opine on whether therapists have acted appropriately in their role as professionals
·      Reviewing records, reports, depositions, and testifying on trial
What are the different types of cases that are brought against therapists?
·      Good people making mistakes
·      Challenging ethical dilemmas (i.e., making a decision that is not wrong, but leads to a bad outcome)
·      Misconduct (e.g., having sex with clients, inappropriate dual relationships, impaired therapists)
How can therapists set themselves up to avoid getting sued or licensing board complaints?
·      Appropriate documentation
·      Consultation with colleagues or supervisors (and document this consultation)
·      Have sufficient malpractice insurance
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>An Expert Witness Weighs in on Therapist Malpractice: An interview with Dr. Frederic Reamer</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Frederic Reamer about his perspective as an expert witness opining on therapist conduct. We talk about the three types of cases he sees (mistakes, challenging decisions, and misconduct) as well as what therapists can do to protect and set themselves up for success.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An Expert Witness Weighs in on Therapist Malpractice: An interview with Dr. Frederic Reamer
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Frederic Reamer about his perspective as an expert witness opining on therapist conduct. We talk about the three types of cases he sees (mistakes, challenging decisions, and misconduct) as well as what therapists can do to protect and set themselves up for success.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we share an expert witness perspective on therapist mistakes
Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Frederic Reamer about how therapists can get in trouble as well as what an expert witness does when evaluating these therapist mistakes. 
 What do Expert Witness do for cases involving therapists?
·      Evaluate malpractice and standard of care
·      Opine on whether therapists have acted appropriately in their role as professionals
·      Reviewing records, reports, depositions, and testifying on trial
What are the different types of cases that are brought against therapists?
·      Good people making mistakes
·      Challenging ethical dilemmas (i.e., making a decision that is not wrong, but leads to a bad outcome)
·      Misconduct (e.g., having sex with clients, inappropriate dual relationships, impaired therapists)
How can therapists set themselves up to avoid getting sued or licensing board complaints?
·      Appropriate documentation
·      Consultation with colleagues or supervisors (and document this consultation)
·      Have sufficient malpractice insurance
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>An Expert Witness Weighs in on Therapist Malpractice: An interview with Dr. Frederic Reamer</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Frederic Reamer about his perspective as an expert witness opining on therapist conduct. We talk about the three types of cases he sees (mistakes, challenging decisions, and misconduct) as well as what therapists can do to protect and set themselves up for success.   </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we share an expert witness perspective on therapist mistakes</h2><p>Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Frederic Reamer about how therapists can get in trouble as well as what an expert witness does when evaluating these therapist mistakes. </p><h3> What do Expert Witness do for cases involving therapists?</h3><p>·      Evaluate malpractice and standard of care</p><p>·      Opine on whether therapists have acted appropriately in their role as professionals</p><p>·      Reviewing records, reports, depositions, and testifying on trial</p><h3>What are the different types of cases that are brought against therapists?</h3><p>·      Good people making mistakes</p><p>·      Challenging ethical dilemmas (i.e., making a decision that is not wrong, but leads to a bad outcome)</p><p>·      Misconduct (e.g., having sex with clients, inappropriate dual relationships, impaired therapists)</p><h3>How can therapists set themselves up to avoid getting sued or licensing board complaints?</h3><p>·      Appropriate documentation</p><p>·      Consultation with colleagues or supervisors (and document this consultation)</p><p>·      Have sufficient malpractice insurance</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Are You Burned Out or Are You Bored?</title>
      <description>Are You Burned Out or Are You Bored?
Curt and Katie chat about another type of burnout, “bore out.” We explore the difference between burnout and boredom. We talk about what might be unique to therapists’ jobs that would lead to boredom. We also dig into how dissociation can show up as either burnout or boredom. Finally, we share ideas on how modern therapists can mitigate some of the impacts of burnout, boredom, and vicarious trauma.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about both burnout and “bore out”
Katie has been feeling a little bit bored lately, so she decided to do some research on what might be happening. She uncovered a concept “bore out” which seems to be the opposite of burnout, but with similar consequences. We decided to dig into this topic to see what therapists can do to try to avoid (or address) burnout.
What are the differences between burnout and boredom?
·       Burnout is overstimulation to the point of running out of energy
·       Boredom is under-stimulation to the point of lack of creativity and stagnation
·       Burnout is a pretty common topic, but “bore out” never really took off
·       People more likely to leave a job due to boredom
What are the types of boredom that therapists face?
·       Clinical boredom (repeated stories, lack of progress)
·       Repetitive clinical work (due to niche, evidence-based practice)
·       Notes and documentation are frequently described as boring
·       Trauma therapists may become cynical
·       Vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue and moral injury
·       Desensitization and disengagement of vicarious trauma can feel like boredom
·       Dissociation may also be part of this disengagement
What can therapists do to address boredom?
·       Clinical consultation and your own therapy
·       Professional development and continuing education
·       Refreshing your knowledge and bringing new techniques into session
·       Adequate stimulation to get work done
·       Doing things in small doses
·       Reframing things to make them more positive (not “onerous” or “boring”)

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Are You Burned Out or Are You Bored?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about another type of burnout, “bore out.” We explore the difference between burnout and boredom. We talk about what might be unique to therapists’ jobs that would lead to boredom. We also dig into how dissociation can show up as either burnout or boredom. Finally, we share ideas on how modern therapists can mitigate some of the impacts of burnout, boredom, and vicarious trauma.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Are You Burned Out or Are You Bored?
Curt and Katie chat about another type of burnout, “bore out.” We explore the difference between burnout and boredom. We talk about what might be unique to therapists’ jobs that would lead to boredom. We also dig into how dissociation can show up as either burnout or boredom. Finally, we share ideas on how modern therapists can mitigate some of the impacts of burnout, boredom, and vicarious trauma.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about both burnout and “bore out”
Katie has been feeling a little bit bored lately, so she decided to do some research on what might be happening. She uncovered a concept “bore out” which seems to be the opposite of burnout, but with similar consequences. We decided to dig into this topic to see what therapists can do to try to avoid (or address) burnout.
What are the differences between burnout and boredom?
·       Burnout is overstimulation to the point of running out of energy
·       Boredom is under-stimulation to the point of lack of creativity and stagnation
·       Burnout is a pretty common topic, but “bore out” never really took off
·       People more likely to leave a job due to boredom
What are the types of boredom that therapists face?
·       Clinical boredom (repeated stories, lack of progress)
·       Repetitive clinical work (due to niche, evidence-based practice)
·       Notes and documentation are frequently described as boring
·       Trauma therapists may become cynical
·       Vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue and moral injury
·       Desensitization and disengagement of vicarious trauma can feel like boredom
·       Dissociation may also be part of this disengagement
What can therapists do to address boredom?
·       Clinical consultation and your own therapy
·       Professional development and continuing education
·       Refreshing your knowledge and bringing new techniques into session
·       Adequate stimulation to get work done
·       Doing things in small doses
·       Reframing things to make them more positive (not “onerous” or “boring”)

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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        <![CDATA[<h1>Are You Burned Out or Are You Bored?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about another type of burnout, “bore out.” We explore the difference between burnout and boredom. We talk about what might be unique to therapists’ jobs that would lead to boredom. We also dig into how dissociation can show up as either burnout or boredom. Finally, we share ideas on how modern therapists can mitigate some of the impacts of burnout, boredom, and vicarious trauma.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about both burnout and “bore out”</h2><p>Katie has been feeling a little bit bored lately, so she decided to do some research on what might be happening. She uncovered a concept “bore out” which seems to be the opposite of burnout, but with similar consequences. We decided to dig into this topic to see what therapists can do to try to avoid (or address) burnout.</p><h3>What are the differences between burnout and boredom?</h3><p>·       Burnout is overstimulation to the point of running out of energy</p><p>·       Boredom is under-stimulation to the point of lack of creativity and stagnation</p><p>·       Burnout is a pretty common topic, but “bore out” never really took off</p><p>·       People more likely to leave a job due to boredom</p><h3>What are the types of boredom that therapists face?</h3><p>·       Clinical boredom (repeated stories, lack of progress)</p><p>·       Repetitive clinical work (due to niche, evidence-based practice)</p><p>·       Notes and documentation are frequently described as boring</p><p>·       Trauma therapists may become cynical</p><p>·       Vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue and moral injury</p><p>·       Desensitization and disengagement of vicarious trauma can feel like boredom</p><p>·       Dissociation may also be part of this disengagement</p><h3>What can therapists do to address boredom?</h3><p>·       Clinical consultation and your own therapy</p><p>·       Professional development and continuing education</p><p>·       Refreshing your knowledge and bringing new techniques into session</p><p>·       Adequate stimulation to get work done</p><p>·       Doing things in small doses</p><p>·       Reframing things to make them more positive (not “onerous” or “boring”)</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Seeking Purpose Beyond Accomplishment: An interview with Kasey Compton</title>
      <description>Seeking Purpose Beyond Accomplishment: An interview with Kasey Compton
Curt and Katie interview Kasey Compton, LPCC, on her new book, In Search of You. We explore her journey of healing and what it was like to put that healing into a public space. We also talk about Kasey’s challenges with being bullied in her home town due to the choices she has made (getting divorced and then choosing a same-sex relationship) and how her “hard head” has helped her to get through it all. She also shares some ideas for therapists in their own healing journeys.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how even successful therapists may need their own healing journey
Curt and Katie talk with Kasey Compton about her new book, In Search of You: When Doing More Isn’t Doing It Anymore.
 What is “In Search of You” about?
·       Kasey wrote a book while going through therapy about her healing process
·       Looking at moving away from accomplishment and toward making meaning
·       Getting to a place of self-love
·       Using Kasey’s stories she wrote during therapy, in real time
How can a high achiever, people pleaser, or “seeker” move toward self-love?
·       Understanding the relationship between love and accomplishment (or lack of relationship between these two)
·       Understanding the difference between authenticity and vulnerability
·       Shifting one’s relationship with shame
What is it like to heal in public?
·       Coming to terms with vulnerability
·       For Kasey, her hometown is religiously conservative who were very judgmental about her stages of healing (including her divorce, a new relationship with a woman, and now writing this book)
·       Putting on emotional armor in unsafe places
·       Finding community support
·       Moving forward with boldness and self-acceptance
·       Detaching from outcomes
How do these lessons apply for therapists?
·       Taking a holistic, full person look at who you are professionally
·       Using a timeline to understand ourselves and how our lives have impacted us
·       Doing our own work with a therapist or through journaling and doing a timeline
·       Finding balance
·       Moving away from self-sacrifice as a mechanism toward accomplishment
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2024 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Seeking Purpose Beyond Accomplishment: An interview with Kasey Compton</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Kasey Compton, LPCC, on her new book, In Search of You. We explore her journey of healing and what it was like to put that healing into a public space. We also talk about Kasey’s challenges with being bullied in her home town due to the choices she has made (getting divorced and then choosing a same-sex relationship) and how her “hard head” has helped her to get through it all. She also shares some ideas for therapists in their own healing journeys.   </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Seeking Purpose Beyond Accomplishment: An interview with Kasey Compton
Curt and Katie interview Kasey Compton, LPCC, on her new book, In Search of You. We explore her journey of healing and what it was like to put that healing into a public space. We also talk about Kasey’s challenges with being bullied in her home town due to the choices she has made (getting divorced and then choosing a same-sex relationship) and how her “hard head” has helped her to get through it all. She also shares some ideas for therapists in their own healing journeys.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how even successful therapists may need their own healing journey
Curt and Katie talk with Kasey Compton about her new book, In Search of You: When Doing More Isn’t Doing It Anymore.
 What is “In Search of You” about?
·       Kasey wrote a book while going through therapy about her healing process
·       Looking at moving away from accomplishment and toward making meaning
·       Getting to a place of self-love
·       Using Kasey’s stories she wrote during therapy, in real time
How can a high achiever, people pleaser, or “seeker” move toward self-love?
·       Understanding the relationship between love and accomplishment (or lack of relationship between these two)
·       Understanding the difference between authenticity and vulnerability
·       Shifting one’s relationship with shame
What is it like to heal in public?
·       Coming to terms with vulnerability
·       For Kasey, her hometown is religiously conservative who were very judgmental about her stages of healing (including her divorce, a new relationship with a woman, and now writing this book)
·       Putting on emotional armor in unsafe places
·       Finding community support
·       Moving forward with boldness and self-acceptance
·       Detaching from outcomes
How do these lessons apply for therapists?
·       Taking a holistic, full person look at who you are professionally
·       Using a timeline to understand ourselves and how our lives have impacted us
·       Doing our own work with a therapist or through journaling and doing a timeline
·       Finding balance
·       Moving away from self-sacrifice as a mechanism toward accomplishment
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Seeking Purpose Beyond Accomplishment: An interview with Kasey Compton</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Kasey Compton, LPCC, on her new book, In Search of You. We explore her journey of healing and what it was like to put that healing into a public space. We also talk about Kasey’s challenges with being bullied in her home town due to the choices she has made (getting divorced and then choosing a same-sex relationship) and how her “hard head” has helped her to get through it all. She also shares some ideas for therapists in their own healing journeys.  </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how even successful therapists may need their own healing journey</h2><p>Curt and Katie talk with Kasey Compton about her new book, In Search of You: When Doing More Isn’t Doing It Anymore.</p><h3> What is “In Search of You” about?</h3><p>·       Kasey wrote a book while going through therapy about her healing process</p><p>·       Looking at moving away from accomplishment and toward making meaning</p><p>·       Getting to a place of self-love</p><p>·       Using Kasey’s stories she wrote during therapy, in real time</p><h3>How can a high achiever, people pleaser, or “seeker” move toward self-love?</h3><p>·       Understanding the relationship between love and accomplishment (or lack of relationship between these two)</p><p>·       Understanding the difference between authenticity and vulnerability</p><p>·       Shifting one’s relationship with shame</p><h3>What is it like to heal in public?</h3><p>·       Coming to terms with vulnerability</p><p>·       For Kasey, her hometown is religiously conservative who were very judgmental about her stages of healing (including her divorce, a new relationship with a woman, and now writing this book)</p><p>·       Putting on emotional armor in unsafe places</p><p>·       Finding community support</p><p>·       Moving forward with boldness and self-acceptance</p><p>·       Detaching from outcomes</p><h3>How do these lessons apply for therapists?</h3><p>·       Taking a holistic, full person look at who you are professionally</p><p>·       Using a timeline to understand ourselves and how our lives have impacted us</p><p>·       Doing our own work with a therapist or through journaling and doing a timeline</p><p>·       Finding balance</p><p>·       Moving away from self-sacrifice as a mechanism toward accomplishment</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>When Your Clients are Wealthy and Well Known: An interview with Dr. Holly Daniels, LMFT</title>
      <description>When Your Clients are Wealthy and Well Known: An interview with Dr. Holly Daniels, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Holly Daniels about working with high profile clients. We talk about the lifestyle factors (like isolation and dehumanization) that come with celebrity as well as the differences when working with famous and powerful people who bring in more common concerns like relationship challenges. We also explore the skills and trustworthiness required to be able to succeed with these clients.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about what it’s like to work with the rich and famous
Curt and Katie asked Dr. Holly Daniels to talk about her work as a therapist, relationship coach, and consultant for the wealthy and well-known.
 What is it like working as a therapist or a coach with the wealthy and well-known?
·      Seeing the isolation and the reality of their lives
·      Making sure to avoid being swept up in the fame
·      Understanding the countertransference tendencies (to agree, to be critical)
·      Don’t get sucked into aligning with them if it isn’t in their best interest (everyone around them agrees with them)
·      Don’t join the power struggle when clients become very dismissive
·      Therapists must be emotionally very boundaried and logistically very flexible
·      When people are this wealthy or well-known, they have to be very cautious and they have a very high bar related to trust – therapists need to know how the difficulty with trust impacts the relationship
·      Allow the client to bring the public information into the session, don’t assume their response to what is in the news
How can therapists support clients who have an influential public persona?
·      Separating your personal self from your public persona
·      Looking at these two selves as related, but not the same
·      Helping clients to let go of public approval or hate as related to who you are
·      The commodity is the public persona, not you
What are the family systems and relationship concerns that come with fame?
·      There is a closed, isolated bubble where there can be a lot of enmeshment
·      There are different challenges and dynamics unique to being part of a famous person’s life
·      Looking at the full family system, including the kids
·      Feeling guilty for having mental health concerns because they have so much
·      It is important for therapists not to bring in their own political or social agenda
·      People dehumanize famous people

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>When Your Clients are Wealthy and Well Known: An interview with Dr. Holly Daniels, LMFT</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Holly Daniels about working with high profile clients. We talk about the lifestyle factors (like isolation and dehumanization) that come with celebrity as well as the differences when working with famous and powerful people who bring in more common concerns like relationship challenges. We also explore the skills and trustworthiness required to be able to succeed with these clients. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Your Clients are Wealthy and Well Known: An interview with Dr. Holly Daniels, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Holly Daniels about working with high profile clients. We talk about the lifestyle factors (like isolation and dehumanization) that come with celebrity as well as the differences when working with famous and powerful people who bring in more common concerns like relationship challenges. We also explore the skills and trustworthiness required to be able to succeed with these clients.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about what it’s like to work with the rich and famous
Curt and Katie asked Dr. Holly Daniels to talk about her work as a therapist, relationship coach, and consultant for the wealthy and well-known.
 What is it like working as a therapist or a coach with the wealthy and well-known?
·      Seeing the isolation and the reality of their lives
·      Making sure to avoid being swept up in the fame
·      Understanding the countertransference tendencies (to agree, to be critical)
·      Don’t get sucked into aligning with them if it isn’t in their best interest (everyone around them agrees with them)
·      Don’t join the power struggle when clients become very dismissive
·      Therapists must be emotionally very boundaried and logistically very flexible
·      When people are this wealthy or well-known, they have to be very cautious and they have a very high bar related to trust – therapists need to know how the difficulty with trust impacts the relationship
·      Allow the client to bring the public information into the session, don’t assume their response to what is in the news
How can therapists support clients who have an influential public persona?
·      Separating your personal self from your public persona
·      Looking at these two selves as related, but not the same
·      Helping clients to let go of public approval or hate as related to who you are
·      The commodity is the public persona, not you
What are the family systems and relationship concerns that come with fame?
·      There is a closed, isolated bubble where there can be a lot of enmeshment
·      There are different challenges and dynamics unique to being part of a famous person’s life
·      Looking at the full family system, including the kids
·      Feeling guilty for having mental health concerns because they have so much
·      It is important for therapists not to bring in their own political or social agenda
·      People dehumanize famous people

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>When Your Clients are Wealthy and Well Known: An interview with Dr. Holly Daniels, LMFT</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Holly Daniels about working with high profile clients. We talk about the lifestyle factors (like isolation and dehumanization) that come with celebrity as well as the differences when working with famous and powerful people who bring in more common concerns like relationship challenges. We also explore the skills and trustworthiness required to be able to succeed with these clients.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about what it’s like to work with the rich and famous</h2><p>Curt and Katie asked Dr. Holly Daniels to talk about her work as a therapist, relationship coach, and consultant for the wealthy and well-known.</p><h3> What is it like working as a therapist or a coach with the wealthy and well-known?</h3><p>·      Seeing the isolation and the reality of their lives</p><p>·      Making sure to avoid being swept up in the fame</p><p>·      Understanding the countertransference tendencies (to agree, to be critical)</p><p>·      Don’t get sucked into aligning with them if it isn’t in their best interest (everyone around them agrees with them)</p><p>·      Don’t join the power struggle when clients become very dismissive</p><p>·      Therapists must be emotionally very boundaried and logistically very flexible</p><p>·      When people are this wealthy or well-known, they have to be very cautious and they have a very high bar related to trust – therapists need to know how the difficulty with trust impacts the relationship</p><p>·      Allow the client to bring the public information into the session, don’t assume their response to what is in the news</p><h3>How can therapists support clients who have an influential public persona?</h3><p>·      Separating your personal self from your public persona</p><p>·      Looking at these two selves as related, but not the same</p><p>·      Helping clients to let go of public approval or hate as related to who you are</p><p>·      The commodity is the public persona, not you</p><h3>What are the family systems and relationship concerns that come with fame?</h3><p>·      There is a closed, isolated bubble where there can be a lot of enmeshment</p><p>·      There are different challenges and dynamics unique to being part of a famous person’s life</p><p>·      Looking at the full family system, including the kids</p><p>·      Feeling guilty for having mental health concerns because they have so much</p><p>·      It is important for therapists not to bring in their own political or social agenda</p><p>·      People dehumanize famous people</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>When Your Client is a Little Bit Famous: The unique needs and perspectives for working with content creators in therapy</title>
      <description>When Your Client is a Little Bit Famous: The unique needs and perspectives for working with content creators in therapy
Curt and Katie chat about the unique needs that content creators (youtubers, podcasters, onlyfans performers) bring to session. We look at the development stages of being a creator, what exactly a “content creator” is, pros and cons (for mental health) of being a content creator, and how therapists can work more effectively with these folks. We also talk about the safety concerns and ways that therapist scan support content creators in protecting themselves. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about therapy with content creators
Content creators and influencers have their own sets of mental health challenges. Therapists working with content creators have many factors to consider when it comes to the particularly unique influences that this occupation has on a person’s mental health. This workshop explores how content creation, streaming, and parasocial relationships affect the mental health and worldview of creators in ways that are both similar and different to other types of performers.
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://moderntherapistcommunity.com/podcourse/
Continuing Education Approvals:
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>When Your Client is a Little Bit Famous: The unique needs and perspectives for working with content creators in therapy</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the unique needs that content creators (youtubers, podcasters, onlyfans performers) bring to session. We look at the development stages of being a creator, what exactly a “content creator” is, pros and cons (for mental health) of being a content creator, and how therapists can work more effectively with these folks. We also talk about the safety concerns and ways that therapist scan support content creators in protecting themselves. This is a continuing education podcourse.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Your Client is a Little Bit Famous: The unique needs and perspectives for working with content creators in therapy
Curt and Katie chat about the unique needs that content creators (youtubers, podcasters, onlyfans performers) bring to session. We look at the development stages of being a creator, what exactly a “content creator” is, pros and cons (for mental health) of being a content creator, and how therapists can work more effectively with these folks. We also talk about the safety concerns and ways that therapist scan support content creators in protecting themselves. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about therapy with content creators
Content creators and influencers have their own sets of mental health challenges. Therapists working with content creators have many factors to consider when it comes to the particularly unique influences that this occupation has on a person’s mental health. This workshop explores how content creation, streaming, and parasocial relationships affect the mental health and worldview of creators in ways that are both similar and different to other types of performers.
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://moderntherapistcommunity.com/podcourse/
Continuing Education Approvals:
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <title>The Power and the Peril of Pop Psychology</title>
      <description>The Power and the Peril of Pop Psychology
Curt and Katie chat about pop psychology. We look at what it is, how it influences society, the dangers of leaving it unchecked, and how therapists can support their clients in navigating through all the different self-help content. We also challenge the use of Enneagram and Myers Briggs as “identity” and talk about using pop psychology as a starting point for conversation rather than taking it all at face value.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the dangers of pop psychology
Curt has had a bee in his bonnet about pop psychology and the potential harms of watering down psychology for the public. We decided we’d take a critical look at what’s out there, including self-help, business, and news content that may be harming the public.
What is pop psychology?
·      Researchers sharing their findings through popular media using lay language
·      Applied psychology – practical self-help created by psychology practitioners geared toward improving your life
·      Targeting people with mental health concerns to decrease suffering – may be created by people with lived experience and is self-help in the place of therapy
·      Applying psychology to other realms (like business or sales, spirituality)
What are concerns with pop psychology?
·      Overemphasizing the importance of specific pop psychology principles and claiming these things as identity
·      Not going back to the evidence base or looking at who the authors are (is it their research or is it a good storyteller who is extrapolating)
·      The impact of the audience on which stories or psychological findings are shared
How does Malcolm Gladwell fit into this conversation about the dangers of pop psychology?
·      He was enamored with the “Broken Windows” theory of policing and his writings influenced the use type of policing in New York (including Stop and Frisk)
·      He ignored the criticism of these policies, like the racial bias that was seen
·      He chose not to write about policies that were working to decrease the over prescribing opioids
·      He has not recognized the influence on those who read his work
What role can therapists play in supporting our clients around pop psychology?
·      Talk with our clients about what they are reading and use it as a starting point
·      Bring the evidence-based science into the conversation
·      Help them to create a unique, tailored plan for your client to use what works for them
·      Correcting misinformation (e.g., the stages of grief)
·      Putting out content that is accurate
·      Staying current on what is being talked about in popular media
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Power and the Peril of Pop Psychology</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about pop psychology. We look at what it is, how it influences society, the dangers of leaving it unchecked, and how therapists can support their clients in navigating through all the different self-help content. We also challenge the use of Enneagram and Myers Briggs as “identity” and talk about using pop psychology as a starting point for conversation rather than taking it all at face value.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Power and the Peril of Pop Psychology
Curt and Katie chat about pop psychology. We look at what it is, how it influences society, the dangers of leaving it unchecked, and how therapists can support their clients in navigating through all the different self-help content. We also challenge the use of Enneagram and Myers Briggs as “identity” and talk about using pop psychology as a starting point for conversation rather than taking it all at face value.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the dangers of pop psychology
Curt has had a bee in his bonnet about pop psychology and the potential harms of watering down psychology for the public. We decided we’d take a critical look at what’s out there, including self-help, business, and news content that may be harming the public.
What is pop psychology?
·      Researchers sharing their findings through popular media using lay language
·      Applied psychology – practical self-help created by psychology practitioners geared toward improving your life
·      Targeting people with mental health concerns to decrease suffering – may be created by people with lived experience and is self-help in the place of therapy
·      Applying psychology to other realms (like business or sales, spirituality)
What are concerns with pop psychology?
·      Overemphasizing the importance of specific pop psychology principles and claiming these things as identity
·      Not going back to the evidence base or looking at who the authors are (is it their research or is it a good storyteller who is extrapolating)
·      The impact of the audience on which stories or psychological findings are shared
How does Malcolm Gladwell fit into this conversation about the dangers of pop psychology?
·      He was enamored with the “Broken Windows” theory of policing and his writings influenced the use type of policing in New York (including Stop and Frisk)
·      He ignored the criticism of these policies, like the racial bias that was seen
·      He chose not to write about policies that were working to decrease the over prescribing opioids
·      He has not recognized the influence on those who read his work
What role can therapists play in supporting our clients around pop psychology?
·      Talk with our clients about what they are reading and use it as a starting point
·      Bring the evidence-based science into the conversation
·      Help them to create a unique, tailored plan for your client to use what works for them
·      Correcting misinformation (e.g., the stages of grief)
·      Putting out content that is accurate
·      Staying current on what is being talked about in popular media
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>The Power and the Peril of Pop Psychology</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about pop psychology. We look at what it is, how it influences society, the dangers of leaving it unchecked, and how therapists can support their clients in navigating through all the different self-help content. We also challenge the use of Enneagram and Myers Briggs as “identity” and talk about using pop psychology as a starting point for conversation rather than taking it all at face value.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about the dangers of pop psychology</h2><p>Curt has had a bee in his bonnet about pop psychology and the potential harms of watering down psychology for the public. We decided we’d take a critical look at what’s out there, including self-help, business, and news content that may be harming the public.</p><h3>What is pop psychology?</h3><p>·      Researchers sharing their findings through popular media using lay language</p><p>·      Applied psychology – practical self-help created by psychology practitioners geared toward improving your life</p><p>·      Targeting people with mental health concerns to decrease suffering – may be created by people with lived experience and is self-help in the place of therapy</p><p>·      Applying psychology to other realms (like business or sales, spirituality)</p><h3>What are concerns with pop psychology?</h3><p>·      Overemphasizing the importance of specific pop psychology principles and claiming these things as identity</p><p>·      Not going back to the evidence base or looking at who the authors are (is it their research or is it a good storyteller who is extrapolating)</p><p>·      The impact of the audience on which stories or psychological findings are shared</p><h3>How does Malcolm Gladwell fit into this conversation about the dangers of pop psychology?</h3><p>·      He was enamored with the “Broken Windows” theory of policing and his writings influenced the use type of policing in New York (including Stop and Frisk)</p><p>·      He ignored the criticism of these policies, like the racial bias that was seen</p><p>·      He chose not to write about policies that were working to decrease the over prescribing opioids</p><p>·      He has not recognized the influence on those who read his work</p><h3>What role can therapists play in supporting our clients around pop psychology?</h3><p>·      Talk with our clients about what they are reading and use it as a starting point</p><p>·      Bring the evidence-based science into the conversation</p><p>·      Help them to create a unique, tailored plan for your client to use what works for them</p><p>·      Correcting misinformation (e.g., the stages of grief)</p><p>·      Putting out content that is accurate</p><p>·      Staying current on what is being talked about in popular media</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Is AI Really Ready for Therapists? An interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey</title>
      <description>Is AI Really Ready for Therapists? An interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey of QA Prep about her assessment of the AI tools available for therapists. We chat about the high expectations many clinicians have for note writing tools (and whether these expectations are really reasonable right now). We also look at what therapists are getting wrong when starting to use these tools, exploring some concerns related to HIPAA compliance and who is actually putting together these tech tools.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about the development of AI tools for therapists
Curt and Katie asked Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey to come on and talk about what she thinks about AI for documentation.
What are therapists getting wrong about AI?
·      Therapists believe that AI can do their notes, but it is often a lot of work and/or is an expensive application is required
·      There is a choice when using a free platform and/or an untrusted platform is that you are either writing an insufficient note or adding PHI, which causes you to break HIPAA
·      AI for notes takes a very long time due to how slowly they process the information as well as your need to review and edit each note
·       Some platforms are claiming to be HIPAA compliant and are not
What are the different ways that AI works to provide documentation?
·      AI listens to the session and/or you upload the recording or a transcript
·      You enter the information on what happened in the session and AI writes the formal notes
What do therapists need to know about an AI platform before using it?
·      Checking for actual HIPAA compliance versus a false statement about HIPAA compliance
·      Understand how it is telling you to use the software
·      Do they give you a BAA?
·      The pricing is relatively similar to an EHR - $10-$40 per month
·      This is not an electronic health record or practice management system
·      Some of the AI applications do not have access to the diagnosis, assessment, treatment plans, so you will have to insure that you prove medical necessity and demonstrate the clinical loop
Are these AI platforms really ready for therapists?
·      The tech experts are taking care of data security
·      Many companies are still figuring these things out
·      All of the platforms Maelisa tested created fake elements of sessions (i.e., put things in the notes that did not happen)
What else can therapists use AI for?
·      Creating templates for progress notes (i.e., not for a specific client, no PHI)
·      Creating resources for clients
What do therapists need to do for their clients if they are using AI?
·      You must inform your client that you are using AI (informed consent)
·      AI is experimental, so it must be optional for your clients to opt in
·      You must insure that the platform is actually secure and HIPAA compliant
·      Ethics codes aren’t really saying anything, but some statements could be coming out soon on the ethics of how to use AI with or for clients
What do therapists need to know about AI?
·      It is very new and changing constantly
·      This is going to happen, so we need to understand and participate in this transition
·      New resources will be created through AI
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey of QA Prep about her assessment of the AI tools available for therapists. We chat about the high expectations many clinicians have for note writing tools (and whether these expectations are really reasonable right now). We also look at what therapists are getting wrong when starting to use these tools, exploring some concerns related to HIPAA compliance and who is actually putting together these tech tools. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is AI Really Ready for Therapists? An interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey of QA Prep about her assessment of the AI tools available for therapists. We chat about the high expectations many clinicians have for note writing tools (and whether these expectations are really reasonable right now). We also look at what therapists are getting wrong when starting to use these tools, exploring some concerns related to HIPAA compliance and who is actually putting together these tech tools.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about the development of AI tools for therapists
Curt and Katie asked Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey to come on and talk about what she thinks about AI for documentation.
What are therapists getting wrong about AI?
·      Therapists believe that AI can do their notes, but it is often a lot of work and/or is an expensive application is required
·      There is a choice when using a free platform and/or an untrusted platform is that you are either writing an insufficient note or adding PHI, which causes you to break HIPAA
·      AI for notes takes a very long time due to how slowly they process the information as well as your need to review and edit each note
·       Some platforms are claiming to be HIPAA compliant and are not
What are the different ways that AI works to provide documentation?
·      AI listens to the session and/or you upload the recording or a transcript
·      You enter the information on what happened in the session and AI writes the formal notes
What do therapists need to know about an AI platform before using it?
·      Checking for actual HIPAA compliance versus a false statement about HIPAA compliance
·      Understand how it is telling you to use the software
·      Do they give you a BAA?
·      The pricing is relatively similar to an EHR - $10-$40 per month
·      This is not an electronic health record or practice management system
·      Some of the AI applications do not have access to the diagnosis, assessment, treatment plans, so you will have to insure that you prove medical necessity and demonstrate the clinical loop
Are these AI platforms really ready for therapists?
·      The tech experts are taking care of data security
·      Many companies are still figuring these things out
·      All of the platforms Maelisa tested created fake elements of sessions (i.e., put things in the notes that did not happen)
What else can therapists use AI for?
·      Creating templates for progress notes (i.e., not for a specific client, no PHI)
·      Creating resources for clients
What do therapists need to do for their clients if they are using AI?
·      You must inform your client that you are using AI (informed consent)
·      AI is experimental, so it must be optional for your clients to opt in
·      You must insure that the platform is actually secure and HIPAA compliant
·      Ethics codes aren’t really saying anything, but some statements could be coming out soon on the ethics of how to use AI with or for clients
What do therapists need to know about AI?
·      It is very new and changing constantly
·      This is going to happen, so we need to understand and participate in this transition
·      New resources will be created through AI
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Is AI Really Ready for Therapists? An interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey of QA Prep about her assessment of the AI tools available for therapists. We chat about the high expectations many clinicians have for note writing tools (and whether these expectations are really reasonable right now). We also look at what therapists are getting wrong when starting to use these tools, exploring some concerns related to HIPAA compliance and who is actually putting together these tech tools.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about the development of AI tools for therapists</h2><p>Curt and Katie asked Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey to come on and talk about what she thinks about AI for documentation.</p><h3>What are therapists getting wrong about AI?</h3><p>·      Therapists believe that AI can do their notes, but it is often a lot of work and/or is an expensive application is required</p><p>·      There is a choice when using a free platform and/or an untrusted platform is that you are either writing an insufficient note or adding PHI, which causes you to break HIPAA</p><p>·      AI for notes takes a very long time due to how slowly they process the information as well as your need to review and edit each note</p><p>·       Some platforms are claiming to be HIPAA compliant and are not</p><h3>What are the different ways that AI works to provide documentation?</h3><p>·      AI listens to the session and/or you upload the recording or a transcript</p><p>·      You enter the information on what happened in the session and AI writes the formal notes</p><h3>What do therapists need to know about an AI platform before using it?</h3><p>·      Checking for actual HIPAA compliance versus a false statement about HIPAA compliance</p><p>·      Understand how it is telling you to use the software</p><p>·      Do they give you a BAA?</p><p>·      The pricing is relatively similar to an EHR - $10-$40 per month</p><p>·      This is not an electronic health record or practice management system</p><p>·      Some of the AI applications do not have access to the diagnosis, assessment, treatment plans, so you will have to insure that you prove medical necessity and demonstrate the clinical loop</p><h3>Are these AI platforms really ready for therapists?</h3><p>·      The tech experts are taking care of data security</p><p>·      Many companies are still figuring these things out</p><p>·      All of the platforms Maelisa tested created fake elements of sessions (i.e., put things in the notes that did not happen)</p><h3>What else can therapists use AI for?</h3><p>·      Creating templates for progress notes (i.e., not for a specific client, no PHI)</p><p>·      Creating resources for clients</p><h3>What do therapists need to do for their clients if they are using AI?</h3><p>·      You must inform your client that you are using AI (informed consent)</p><p>·      AI is experimental, so it must be optional for your clients to opt in</p><p>·      You must insure that the platform is actually secure and HIPAA compliant</p><p>·      Ethics codes aren’t really saying anything, but some statements could be coming out soon on the ethics of how to use AI with or for clients</p><h3>What do therapists need to know about AI?</h3><p>·      It is very new and changing constantly</p><p>·      This is going to happen, so we need to understand and participate in this transition</p><p>·      New resources will be created through AI</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Are Therapists to Blame for Ineffective Workplace Wellness Programs?</title>
      <description>Are Therapists to Blame for Ineffective Workplace Wellness Programs?
Curt and Katie chat about a recent New York Times article that claims that individual mental health interventions are not effective in the workplace. We explore that and other studies on workplace wellness programs, looking at what is ineffective, what actually works, and what roles therapists can play in improving outcomes for employees (and employers). We also take a quick look at the ethical or moral questions therapists face when being paid to do these programs.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about a recent study on workplace wellness programs
In a recent New York Times article, they talked about a study that shows little efficacy of workplace wellness programs in the UK. We decided to dig deeper into the research and see what therapists need to know when signing on to provide these programs.
What does the research say about workplace wellness or individual-level mental health interventions on outcomes for employees and employers?
·      People in these programs are not better off than people who are not
·      Some desired outcomes (health markers, absenteeism, job performance) are not significantly better
·      Some positive clinical and employment outcomes from actual mental health programs
·      Individual solutions don’t solve systemic problems
What are the dynamics at play in employee well-being?
·      Things that do work: more compensation, more say in how their work looks
·      The difference between convenience and work-place wellness
·      Typically, organizations are not assessing efficacy of their own wellness programs
What is the therapist role in workplace wellness?
·      We know that many of these programs are ineffective – should we still continue to do them?
·      How should consumers of these products and programs inquire about efficacy or even completion?
·      Should therapists be concerned about whether people complete their course or find benefit from it?
·      Understanding what resources are available (and being encouraged to use them) may help folks to better benefit from them (as extrapolated from Curt’s undergraduate research)
What can clinicians do to support actual workplace wellness?
·      Don’t co-sign on the idea that the onus is on the individual to fix the system
·      Provide actual mental health interventions for mental health needs
·      Facilitate conversations about systemic problems and solutions
·      Support positive interventions for individuals that are doable and effective
·      Exploring the ethics of providing these programs
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Are Therapists to Blame for Ineffective Workplace Wellness Programs?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about a recent New York Times article that claims that individual mental health interventions are not effective in the workplace. We explore that and other studies on workplace wellness programs, looking at what is ineffective, what actually works, and what roles therapists can play in improving outcomes for employees (and employers). We also take a quick look at the ethical or moral questions therapists face when being paid to do these programs.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Are Therapists to Blame for Ineffective Workplace Wellness Programs?
Curt and Katie chat about a recent New York Times article that claims that individual mental health interventions are not effective in the workplace. We explore that and other studies on workplace wellness programs, looking at what is ineffective, what actually works, and what roles therapists can play in improving outcomes for employees (and employers). We also take a quick look at the ethical or moral questions therapists face when being paid to do these programs.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about a recent study on workplace wellness programs
In a recent New York Times article, they talked about a study that shows little efficacy of workplace wellness programs in the UK. We decided to dig deeper into the research and see what therapists need to know when signing on to provide these programs.
What does the research say about workplace wellness or individual-level mental health interventions on outcomes for employees and employers?
·      People in these programs are not better off than people who are not
·      Some desired outcomes (health markers, absenteeism, job performance) are not significantly better
·      Some positive clinical and employment outcomes from actual mental health programs
·      Individual solutions don’t solve systemic problems
What are the dynamics at play in employee well-being?
·      Things that do work: more compensation, more say in how their work looks
·      The difference between convenience and work-place wellness
·      Typically, organizations are not assessing efficacy of their own wellness programs
What is the therapist role in workplace wellness?
·      We know that many of these programs are ineffective – should we still continue to do them?
·      How should consumers of these products and programs inquire about efficacy or even completion?
·      Should therapists be concerned about whether people complete their course or find benefit from it?
·      Understanding what resources are available (and being encouraged to use them) may help folks to better benefit from them (as extrapolated from Curt’s undergraduate research)
What can clinicians do to support actual workplace wellness?
·      Don’t co-sign on the idea that the onus is on the individual to fix the system
·      Provide actual mental health interventions for mental health needs
·      Facilitate conversations about systemic problems and solutions
·      Support positive interventions for individuals that are doable and effective
·      Exploring the ethics of providing these programs
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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        <![CDATA[<h1>Are Therapists to Blame for Ineffective Workplace Wellness Programs?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about a recent New York Times article that claims that individual mental health interventions are not effective in the workplace. We explore that and other studies on workplace wellness programs, looking at what is ineffective, what actually works, and what roles therapists can play in improving outcomes for employees (and employers). We also take a quick look at the ethical or moral questions therapists face when being paid to do these programs.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about a recent study on workplace wellness programs</h2><p>In a recent New York Times article, they talked about a study that shows little efficacy of workplace wellness programs in the UK. We decided to dig deeper into the research and see what therapists need to know when signing on to provide these programs.</p><h3>What does the research say about workplace wellness or individual-level mental health interventions on outcomes for employees and employers?</h3><p>·      People in these programs are not better off than people who are not</p><p>·      Some desired outcomes (health markers, absenteeism, job performance) are not significantly better</p><p>·      Some positive clinical and employment outcomes from actual mental health programs</p><p>·      Individual solutions don’t solve systemic problems</p><h3>What are the dynamics at play in employee well-being?</h3><p>·      Things that do work: more compensation, more say in how their work looks</p><p>·      The difference between convenience and work-place wellness</p><p>·      Typically, organizations are not assessing efficacy of their own wellness programs</p><h3>What is the therapist role in workplace wellness?</h3><p>·      We know that many of these programs are ineffective – should we still continue to do them?</p><p>·      How should consumers of these products and programs inquire about efficacy or even completion?</p><p>·      Should therapists be concerned about whether people complete their course or find benefit from it?</p><p>·      Understanding what resources are available (and being encouraged to use them) may help folks to better benefit from them (as extrapolated from Curt’s undergraduate research)</p><h3>What can clinicians do to support actual workplace wellness?</h3><p>·      Don’t co-sign on the idea that the onus is on the individual to fix the system</p><p>·      Provide actual mental health interventions for mental health needs</p><p>·      Facilitate conversations about systemic problems and solutions</p><p>·      Support positive interventions for individuals that are doable and effective</p><p>·      Exploring the ethics of providing these programs</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>When Your Client is a Super Fan: Exploring parasocial relationships and their effects on mental health</title>
      <description>When Your Client is a Super Fan: Exploring parasocial relationships and their effects on mental health
Curt and Katie chat about parasocial relationships. We talk about what parasocial relationships (and break ups) are, who is most likely to engage in these relationships, and the positive and negative impacts of these one-sided relationships. We also look at how to use these relationships within therapy. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about parasocial relationships
People develop relationships with celebrities, TV personalities, and others in the public eye. But do therapists assess the impact these relationships have on their clients and their mental health? This episode explores the ways that clients interact in one-sided relationships, the mental health benefits and drawbacks to engaging in these relationships, and ways for therapists to assess the potential impacts on client mental health and behavior.
How can parasocial relationships show up (and be utilized) in therapy?
·      How to help clients identify appropriate role models
·      Using parasocial relationships as practice for social relationships
·      Ask what content clients are consuming to identify what messages they are receiving
·      Get very direct: ask about all of the content they regularly consume
·      Look especially at the content or influencers talking about things relevant to their presenting problems
·      Explore how clients with social anxiety are interacting with potential parasocial relationships
·      Staying abreast of news stories related to parasocial objects
·      Listening for certain types of unhealthy messages (like toxic masculinity)
·      Helping to expand your clients’ critical thinking and influences in their lives
·      Understanding why they are choosing these relationships and the meaning they are making from them
·      Using these relationships as practice or places to seek self-awareness and insight, especially related to identity and values
·      Grief work when there are parasocial breakups
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
 Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.
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Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>When Your Client is a Super Fan: Exploring parasocial relationships and their effects on mental health</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about parasocial relationships. We talk about what parasocial relationships (and break ups) are, who is most likely to engage in these relationships, and the positive and negative impacts of these one-sided relationships. We also look at how to use these relationships within therapy. This is a continuing education podcourse. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Your Client is a Super Fan: Exploring parasocial relationships and their effects on mental health
Curt and Katie chat about parasocial relationships. We talk about what parasocial relationships (and break ups) are, who is most likely to engage in these relationships, and the positive and negative impacts of these one-sided relationships. We also look at how to use these relationships within therapy. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about parasocial relationships
People develop relationships with celebrities, TV personalities, and others in the public eye. But do therapists assess the impact these relationships have on their clients and their mental health? This episode explores the ways that clients interact in one-sided relationships, the mental health benefits and drawbacks to engaging in these relationships, and ways for therapists to assess the potential impacts on client mental health and behavior.
How can parasocial relationships show up (and be utilized) in therapy?
·      How to help clients identify appropriate role models
·      Using parasocial relationships as practice for social relationships
·      Ask what content clients are consuming to identify what messages they are receiving
·      Get very direct: ask about all of the content they regularly consume
·      Look especially at the content or influencers talking about things relevant to their presenting problems
·      Explore how clients with social anxiety are interacting with potential parasocial relationships
·      Staying abreast of news stories related to parasocial objects
·      Listening for certain types of unhealthy messages (like toxic masculinity)
·      Helping to expand your clients’ critical thinking and influences in their lives
·      Understanding why they are choosing these relationships and the meaning they are making from them
·      Using these relationships as practice or places to seek self-awareness and insight, especially related to identity and values
·      Grief work when there are parasocial breakups
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
 Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>When Your Client is a Super Fan: Exploring parasocial relationships and their effects on mental health</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about parasocial relationships. We talk about what parasocial relationships (and break ups) are, who is most likely to engage in these relationships, and the positive and negative impacts of these one-sided relationships. We also look at how to use these relationships within therapy. This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about parasocial relationships</h2><p>People develop relationships with celebrities, TV personalities, and others in the public eye. But do therapists assess the impact these relationships have on their clients and their mental health? This episode explores the ways that clients interact in one-sided relationships, the mental health benefits and drawbacks to engaging in these relationships, and ways for therapists to assess the potential impacts on client mental health and behavior.</p><h3>How can parasocial relationships show up (and be utilized) in therapy?</h3><p>·      How to help clients identify appropriate role models</p><p>·      Using parasocial relationships as practice for social relationships</p><p>·      Ask what content clients are consuming to identify what messages they are receiving</p><p>·      Get very direct: ask about all of the content they regularly consume</p><p>·      Look especially at the content or influencers talking about things relevant to their presenting problems</p><p>·      Explore how clients with social anxiety are interacting with potential parasocial relationships</p><p>·      Staying abreast of news stories related to parasocial objects</p><p>·      Listening for certain types of unhealthy messages (like toxic masculinity)</p><p>·      Helping to expand your clients’ critical thinking and influences in their lives</p><p>·      Understanding why they are choosing these relationships and the meaning they are making from them</p><p>·      Using these relationships as practice or places to seek self-awareness and insight, especially related to identity and values</p><p>·      Grief work when there are parasocial breakups</p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><h3> <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</h3><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>What Is It Like To Be a Medicare Therapist? An interview with Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW</title>
      <description>What Is It Like To Be a Medicare Therapist? An interview with Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW, about what it looks like to take Medicare. We talk about common myths and what the actual experience is like. We also explore the business case for taking Medicare and why (and how) therapists can grow their practice by opting in as a Medicare provider.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about taking Medicare as a therapist
Curt and Katie asked Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW to come in to talk about what it is like to take Medicare as a therapist.
 What is involved in being a Medicare provider?
·       Clientele on Medicare include elderly and disabled
·       There is a huge need to clinicians to take Medicare
·       You will get a lot of referrals – Gabrielle filled up her caseload and made 6 figures in her first year in private practice
What types of clinical expertise is necessary for therapists who take Medicare?
·       Loss of independence and aging issues
·       Grief and loss
·       Chronic health conditions and illnesses
·       Loss of mobility
·       Dementia and cognitive issues
·       Family dynamics and estrangement
·       Understanding later in life logistics
·       Caregiver concerns
What are the business or day-to-day elements of taking Medicare?
·       Referral sources are medical doctors, care managers, and other therapists
·       Website content designed with caregiver or family member in mind (who would be searching for the services)
·       Sorting through Medicare and Medicare Advantage (i.e., commercial insurance Medicare replacement) plans – clients don’t know the difference between Medicare and Medicare Advantage
·       Ask to see all of their insurance cards to identify what coverage they have:
o  Bill Medicare directly for patients with Medicare – you are a Part B provider (outpatient) – you will get 80% from Medicare and the other 20% from the patient, a supplemental plan, or Medicaid
o  Bill the commercial insurance plan for Medicare Advantage patients (like regular insurance billing)
·       Audits are not common and are navigable with good notes and ability to make corrections
·       Audits are more likely if you’re doing unusual billing practices
·       The application process is probably the most challenging part of taking Medicare

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Is It Like To Be a Medicare Therapist? An interview with Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/85a1175c-b49d-11ee-bbdf-ef274176861c/image/e3124f.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW, about what it looks like to take Medicare. We talk about common myths and what the actual experience is like. We also explore the business case for taking Medicare and why (and how) therapists can grow their practice by opting in as a Medicare provider. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Is It Like To Be a Medicare Therapist? An interview with Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW, about what it looks like to take Medicare. We talk about common myths and what the actual experience is like. We also explore the business case for taking Medicare and why (and how) therapists can grow their practice by opting in as a Medicare provider.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about taking Medicare as a therapist
Curt and Katie asked Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW to come in to talk about what it is like to take Medicare as a therapist.
 What is involved in being a Medicare provider?
·       Clientele on Medicare include elderly and disabled
·       There is a huge need to clinicians to take Medicare
·       You will get a lot of referrals – Gabrielle filled up her caseload and made 6 figures in her first year in private practice
What types of clinical expertise is necessary for therapists who take Medicare?
·       Loss of independence and aging issues
·       Grief and loss
·       Chronic health conditions and illnesses
·       Loss of mobility
·       Dementia and cognitive issues
·       Family dynamics and estrangement
·       Understanding later in life logistics
·       Caregiver concerns
What are the business or day-to-day elements of taking Medicare?
·       Referral sources are medical doctors, care managers, and other therapists
·       Website content designed with caregiver or family member in mind (who would be searching for the services)
·       Sorting through Medicare and Medicare Advantage (i.e., commercial insurance Medicare replacement) plans – clients don’t know the difference between Medicare and Medicare Advantage
·       Ask to see all of their insurance cards to identify what coverage they have:
o  Bill Medicare directly for patients with Medicare – you are a Part B provider (outpatient) – you will get 80% from Medicare and the other 20% from the patient, a supplemental plan, or Medicaid
o  Bill the commercial insurance plan for Medicare Advantage patients (like regular insurance billing)
·       Audits are not common and are navigable with good notes and ability to make corrections
·       Audits are more likely if you’re doing unusual billing practices
·       The application process is probably the most challenging part of taking Medicare

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What Is It Like To Be a Medicare Therapist? An interview with Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW, about what it looks like to take Medicare. We talk about common myths and what the actual experience is like. We also explore the business case for taking Medicare and why (and how) therapists can grow their practice by opting in as a Medicare provider.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about taking Medicare as a therapist</h2><p>Curt and Katie asked Gabrielle Juliano-Villani, LCSW to come in to talk about what it is like to take Medicare as a therapist.</p><h3> What is involved in being a Medicare provider?</h3><p>·       Clientele on Medicare include elderly and disabled</p><p>·       There is a huge need to clinicians to take Medicare</p><p>·       You will get a lot of referrals – Gabrielle filled up her caseload and made 6 figures in her first year in private practice</p><h3>What types of clinical expertise is necessary for therapists who take Medicare?</h3><p>·       Loss of independence and aging issues</p><p>·       Grief and loss</p><p>·       Chronic health conditions and illnesses</p><p>·       Loss of mobility</p><p>·       Dementia and cognitive issues</p><p>·       Family dynamics and estrangement</p><p>·       Understanding later in life logistics</p><p>·       Caregiver concerns</p><h3>What are the business or day-to-day elements of taking Medicare?</h3><p>·       Referral sources are medical doctors, care managers, and other therapists</p><p>·       Website content designed with caregiver or family member in mind (who would be searching for the services)</p><p>·       Sorting through Medicare and Medicare Advantage (i.e., commercial insurance Medicare replacement) plans – clients don’t know the difference between Medicare and Medicare Advantage</p><p>·       Ask to see all of their insurance cards to identify what coverage they have:</p><p>o  Bill Medicare directly for patients with Medicare – you are a Part B provider (outpatient) – you will get 80% from Medicare and the other 20% from the patient, a supplemental plan, or Medicaid</p><p>o  Bill the commercial insurance plan for Medicare Advantage patients (like regular insurance billing)</p><p>·       Audits are not common and are navigable with good notes and ability to make corrections</p><p>·       Audits are more likely if you’re doing unusual billing practices</p><p>·       The application process is probably the most challenging part of taking Medicare</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Can Therapists Do When They Get a Life-Threatening Diagnosis? An interview with Patricia Ravitz, LMFT</title>
      <description>What Can Therapists Do When They Get a Life-Threatening Diagnosis? An interview with Patricia Ravitz, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Patricia Ravitz, LMFT, on how she navigated her pancreatic cancer diagnosis as a therapist. We talk about what happens when a therapist must take time away from their practice without notice, what therapists can do to navigate seeing clients while in treatment, and how you and your clinical work can change when you’re facing mortality. We also talk about support and resources. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can manage their practice when facing a potentially life-threatening diagnosis
Curt and Katie asked their dear friend, Patricia Ravitz, LMFT to come talk about how she handled her practice after getting a cancer diagnosis. 
What happens when a therapist must suddenly take time away from their practice for medical treatment?

Determining how long will be needed to take time off (if that can be predicted)

Identifying how to notify patients and what to share with patients

Understanding whether you can have these conversations with patients (or not)

Choosing a method for notification 

Consulting with a colleague who can help with notification and/or follow up

What can therapists do to continue to see clients while in chemotherapy?

Assessing your response to chemotherapy and when you might be able to work

Identifying days that you typically are able to be present and focused for your clients

Determining who you can effectively see as a therapist and who you need to refer out

Scheduling therapy around your treatment schedule as well as their clinical needs

How might your clinical work change when you’re facing mortality as a therapist?

The reality of the precariousness of life can impact the sense of urgency

Sorting through what each client wanted to hear about or needed to talk about

Focus and sharpening the therapy, moving away from complacency

The emotions and care from the clients to the therapist

Processing the relationship in a different way

What kind of support or resources should therapists use when facing a challenging diagnosis?

Personal support, therapy, consultation groups

A professional will

Understanding how this impacts other relationships and how you look at the world

These types of experiences transform how we operate

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Can Therapists Do When They Get a Life-Threatening Diagnosis? An interview with Patricia Ravitz, LMFT</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/1e3f5bec-ab69-11ee-a611-affff7237ad9/image/fe1832.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Patricia Ravitz, LMFT, on how she navigated her pancreatic cancer diagnosis as a therapist. We talk about what happens when a therapist must take time away from their practice without notice, what therapists can do to navigate seeing clients while in treatment, and how you and your clinical work can change when you’re facing mortality. We also talk about support and resources. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Can Therapists Do When They Get a Life-Threatening Diagnosis? An interview with Patricia Ravitz, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Patricia Ravitz, LMFT, on how she navigated her pancreatic cancer diagnosis as a therapist. We talk about what happens when a therapist must take time away from their practice without notice, what therapists can do to navigate seeing clients while in treatment, and how you and your clinical work can change when you’re facing mortality. We also talk about support and resources. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can manage their practice when facing a potentially life-threatening diagnosis
Curt and Katie asked their dear friend, Patricia Ravitz, LMFT to come talk about how she handled her practice after getting a cancer diagnosis. 
What happens when a therapist must suddenly take time away from their practice for medical treatment?

Determining how long will be needed to take time off (if that can be predicted)

Identifying how to notify patients and what to share with patients

Understanding whether you can have these conversations with patients (or not)

Choosing a method for notification 

Consulting with a colleague who can help with notification and/or follow up

What can therapists do to continue to see clients while in chemotherapy?

Assessing your response to chemotherapy and when you might be able to work

Identifying days that you typically are able to be present and focused for your clients

Determining who you can effectively see as a therapist and who you need to refer out

Scheduling therapy around your treatment schedule as well as their clinical needs

How might your clinical work change when you’re facing mortality as a therapist?

The reality of the precariousness of life can impact the sense of urgency

Sorting through what each client wanted to hear about or needed to talk about

Focus and sharpening the therapy, moving away from complacency

The emotions and care from the clients to the therapist

Processing the relationship in a different way

What kind of support or resources should therapists use when facing a challenging diagnosis?

Personal support, therapy, consultation groups

A professional will

Understanding how this impacts other relationships and how you look at the world

These types of experiences transform how we operate

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What Can Therapists Do When They Get a Life-Threatening Diagnosis? An interview with Patricia Ravitz, LMFT</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Patricia Ravitz, LMFT, on how she navigated her pancreatic cancer diagnosis as a therapist. We talk about what happens when a therapist must take time away from their practice without notice, what therapists can do to navigate seeing clients while in treatment, and how you and your clinical work can change when you’re facing mortality. We also talk about support and resources. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can manage their practice when facing a potentially life-threatening diagnosis</h2><p>Curt and Katie asked their dear friend, Patricia Ravitz, LMFT to come talk about how she handled her practice after getting a cancer diagnosis. </p><h3>What happens when a therapist must suddenly take time away from their practice for medical treatment?</h3><ul>
<li>Determining how long will be needed to take time off (if that can be predicted)</li>
<li>Identifying how to notify patients and what to share with patients</li>
<li>Understanding whether you can have these conversations with patients (or not)</li>
<li>Choosing a method for notification </li>
<li>Consulting with a colleague who can help with notification and/or follow up</li>
</ul><h3>What can therapists do to continue to see clients while in chemotherapy?</h3><ul>
<li>Assessing your response to chemotherapy and when you might be able to work</li>
<li>Identifying days that you typically are able to be present and focused for your clients</li>
<li>Determining who you can effectively see as a therapist and who you need to refer out</li>
<li>Scheduling therapy around your treatment schedule as well as their clinical needs</li>
</ul><h3>How might your clinical work change when you’re facing mortality as a therapist?</h3><ul>
<li>The reality of the precariousness of life can impact the sense of urgency</li>
<li>Sorting through what each client wanted to hear about or needed to talk about</li>
<li>Focus and sharpening the therapy, moving away from complacency</li>
<li>The emotions and care from the clients to the therapist</li>
<li>Processing the relationship in a different way</li>
</ul><h3>What kind of support or resources should therapists use when facing a challenging diagnosis?</h3><ul>
<li>Personal support, therapy, consultation groups</li>
<li>A professional will</li>
<li>Understanding how this impacts other relationships and how you look at the world</li>
<li>These types of experiences transform how we operate</li>
</ul><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Want to Fix Mental Health Workforce Shortages? Speed up the Licensing Boards: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell</title>
      <description>Want to Fix Mental Health Workforce Shortages? Speed up the Licensing Boards: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell
Curt and Katie interview Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD, about licensing board inefficiencies leading to incredible delays in folks getting licensed. We talk about the impacts of paperwork processing delays as well the inadequate infrastructure of most licensing boards. We also explore policy and individual options to mitigate or address these problems.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how the mental health workforce shortages are exacerbated by licensing boards
Curt and Katie decided to invite Dr. Ben Caldwell back onto the podcast to talk about how licensing board inefficiencies are exacerbating mental health workforce shortages.
Impacts of delays of paperwork processing on clients and clinicians
·   Delays of folks increasing income as a licensed clinician
·   Lack of mental health clinicians in the work force
·   Prospective clinicians dropping out of the process to become licensed due to the time and financial burden
Licensing board infrastructure is often inadequate to get individuals licensed timely
·   Computer systems that licensing boards use are not typically modern
·   The contracts for streamlining processes are often restrictive to specific systems or to how quickly these improvements can move
·   There is little that is automated, but rather includes manual entry which is inefficient and introduces opportunities for error
What are potential solutions for the pervasive inefficiency found in licensing boards?
·   Scanning and using optical recognition software for applications and counting hours
·   Contracting with private technology companies that are already gathering this data
·   Finding automated systems that are set up properly from the beginning to minimize training needs
·   Legislation to put pressure on state licensing boards to update computer systems
·   Hiring more people to take on these tasks
·   Using financial reserves to improve systems
·   Mitigating the effects of the delays on the workers (i.e., being able to take required exams for licensure while accruing your hours)
·   Simplifying processes wherever possible (i.e., less buckets of hours with minimum and maximum hours that need to be met)
·   Simplifying applications to make them more understandable for both applicants and reviewers
·   Policy analysis related to the rules – boards make the inaccurate assumption that if a rule exists it must be good
·   Using the legislative process to hold licensing boards accountable for not getting through applications timely and potentially even giving folks provisional licenses while waiting for the application to be reviewed
What can individual therapists do to address the delays in processing licensing paperwork?
·   Be as clear as possible in applications and communication to the board to decrease confusion
·   Don’t apply for licensure early (i.e., before requirements are completed)
·   Show up to board meetings and let the licensing board know that delays are a huge problem
·   Advocate with your professional org and/or to your legislators

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Want to Fix Mental Health Workforce Shortages? Speed up the Licensing Boards: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD, about licensing board inefficiencies leading to incredible delays in folks getting licensed. We talk about the impacts of paperwork processing delays as well the inadequate infrastructure of most licensing boards. We also explore policy and individual options to mitigate or address these problems.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Want to Fix Mental Health Workforce Shortages? Speed up the Licensing Boards: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell
Curt and Katie interview Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD, about licensing board inefficiencies leading to incredible delays in folks getting licensed. We talk about the impacts of paperwork processing delays as well the inadequate infrastructure of most licensing boards. We also explore policy and individual options to mitigate or address these problems.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how the mental health workforce shortages are exacerbated by licensing boards
Curt and Katie decided to invite Dr. Ben Caldwell back onto the podcast to talk about how licensing board inefficiencies are exacerbating mental health workforce shortages.
Impacts of delays of paperwork processing on clients and clinicians
·   Delays of folks increasing income as a licensed clinician
·   Lack of mental health clinicians in the work force
·   Prospective clinicians dropping out of the process to become licensed due to the time and financial burden
Licensing board infrastructure is often inadequate to get individuals licensed timely
·   Computer systems that licensing boards use are not typically modern
·   The contracts for streamlining processes are often restrictive to specific systems or to how quickly these improvements can move
·   There is little that is automated, but rather includes manual entry which is inefficient and introduces opportunities for error
What are potential solutions for the pervasive inefficiency found in licensing boards?
·   Scanning and using optical recognition software for applications and counting hours
·   Contracting with private technology companies that are already gathering this data
·   Finding automated systems that are set up properly from the beginning to minimize training needs
·   Legislation to put pressure on state licensing boards to update computer systems
·   Hiring more people to take on these tasks
·   Using financial reserves to improve systems
·   Mitigating the effects of the delays on the workers (i.e., being able to take required exams for licensure while accruing your hours)
·   Simplifying processes wherever possible (i.e., less buckets of hours with minimum and maximum hours that need to be met)
·   Simplifying applications to make them more understandable for both applicants and reviewers
·   Policy analysis related to the rules – boards make the inaccurate assumption that if a rule exists it must be good
·   Using the legislative process to hold licensing boards accountable for not getting through applications timely and potentially even giving folks provisional licenses while waiting for the application to be reviewed
What can individual therapists do to address the delays in processing licensing paperwork?
·   Be as clear as possible in applications and communication to the board to decrease confusion
·   Don’t apply for licensure early (i.e., before requirements are completed)
·   Show up to board meetings and let the licensing board know that delays are a huge problem
·   Advocate with your professional org and/or to your legislators

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Want to Fix Mental Health Workforce Shortages? Speed up the Licensing Boards: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD, about licensing board inefficiencies leading to incredible delays in folks getting licensed. We talk about the impacts of paperwork processing delays as well the inadequate infrastructure of most licensing boards. We also explore policy and individual options to mitigate or address these problems.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em> mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how the mental health workforce shortages are exacerbated by licensing boards</h2><p>Curt and Katie decided to invite Dr. Ben Caldwell back onto the podcast to talk about how licensing board inefficiencies are exacerbating mental health workforce shortages.</p><h3>Impacts of delays of paperwork processing on clients and clinicians</h3><p>·   Delays of folks increasing income as a licensed clinician</p><p>·   Lack of mental health clinicians in the work force</p><p>·   Prospective clinicians dropping out of the process to become licensed due to the time and financial burden</p><h3>Licensing board infrastructure is often inadequate to get individuals licensed timely</h3><p>·   Computer systems that licensing boards use are not typically modern</p><p>·   The contracts for streamlining processes are often restrictive to specific systems or to how quickly these improvements can move</p><p>·   There is little that is automated, but rather includes manual entry which is inefficient and introduces opportunities for error</p><h3>What are potential solutions for the pervasive inefficiency found in licensing boards?</h3><p>·   Scanning and using optical recognition software for applications and counting hours</p><p>·   Contracting with private technology companies that are already gathering this data</p><p>·   Finding automated systems that are set up properly from the beginning to minimize training needs</p><p>·   Legislation to put pressure on state licensing boards to update computer systems</p><p>·   Hiring more people to take on these tasks</p><p>·   Using financial reserves to improve systems</p><p>·   Mitigating the effects of the delays on the workers (i.e., being able to take required exams for licensure while accruing your hours)</p><p>·   Simplifying processes wherever possible (i.e., less buckets of hours with minimum and maximum hours that need to be met)</p><p>·   Simplifying applications to make them more understandable for both applicants and reviewers</p><p>·   Policy analysis related to the rules – boards make the inaccurate assumption that if a rule exists it must be good</p><p>·   Using the legislative process to hold licensing boards accountable for not getting through applications timely and potentially even giving folks provisional licenses while waiting for the application to be reviewed</p><h3>What can individual therapists do to address the delays in processing licensing paperwork?</h3><p>·   Be as clear as possible in applications and communication to the board to decrease confusion</p><p>·   Don’t apply for licensure early (i.e., before requirements are completed)</p><p>·   Show up to board meetings and let the licensing board know that delays are a huge problem</p><p>·   Advocate with your professional org and/or to your legislators</p><h3><br></h3><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano<a href="https://groomsymusic.com/"> https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>REPLAY Structuring Self-Care</title>
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 We’re still on vacation, but wanted to share another one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 141: Structuring Self-Care. We talk about structuring self-care into your business practices. We look at how to incorporate self-care best practices into the way you build your work day. We also talk about common challenges to taking this advice. You can find the original show notes and transcripts here: Structuring Self-Care.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2024 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>REPLAY Structuring Self-Care</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Today’s replay is of Episode 141: Structuring Self-Care. We talk about structuring self-care into your business practices. We look at how to incorporate self-care best practices into the way you build your work day. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>REPLAY - Structuring Self-Care
 We’re still on vacation, but wanted to share another one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 141: Structuring Self-Care. We talk about structuring self-care into your business practices. We look at how to incorporate self-care best practices into the way you build your work day. We also talk about common challenges to taking this advice. You can find the original show notes and transcripts here: Structuring Self-Care.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>REPLAY - Structuring Self-Care</h1><p> We’re still on vacation, but wanted to share another one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 141: Structuring Self-Care. We talk about structuring self-care into your business practices. We look at how to incorporate self-care best practices into the way you build your work day. We also talk about common challenges to taking this advice. You can find the original show notes and transcripts here: <a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/structuring-self-care/">Structuring Self-Care</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>REPLAY Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room</title>
      <description>REPLAY - Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room
We’re on vacation, but wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 255: Therapists Are Not Robots: How we can show humanity in the room. We talk vulnerably about how we have managed some pretty challenging life crises while also being therapists. You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 255 here: Therapists are Not Robots.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>REPLAY Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We’re on vacation, but wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 255: Therapists Are Not Robots: How we can show humanity in the room. We talk vulnerably about how we have managed some pretty challenging life crises while also being therapists.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>REPLAY - Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room
We’re on vacation, but wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 255: Therapists Are Not Robots: How we can show humanity in the room. We talk vulnerably about how we have managed some pretty challenging life crises while also being therapists. You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 255 here: Therapists are Not Robots.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>REPLAY - Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room</h1><p>We’re on vacation, but wanted to share one of our favorite episodes with all of you. We start with a quick reflection on the episode and what we’ve learned since it originally aired. Today’s replay is of Episode 255: Therapists Are Not Robots: How we can show humanity in the room. We talk vulnerably about how we have managed some pretty challenging life crises while also being therapists. You can see the original show notes and transcripts for episode 255 here: <a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapists-are-not-robots-how-we-can-show-humanity-in-the-room/">Therapists are Not Robots</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>What Do Therapists Need To Do About Medicare? Opting in or out for 2024: An interview with Joy Alafia, CAE</title>
      <description>What Do Therapists Need To Do About Medicare? Opting in or out for 2024: An interview with Joy Alafia, CAE
Curt and Katie interview Joy Alafia, Executive Director of California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, on the journey for MFTs and Counselors to become eligible to be Medicare providers. We look at the high-level tasks that every therapist needs to take. We also talk about the decision-making process for whether you should opt in or opt out, providing some basic guidance and resources on the steps you need to take now.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about MFTs and Counselors becoming Medicare Providers
Curt and Katie have spent hours in advocacy efforts for MFTs and Counselors to become Medicare providers through their past involvement in the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT). And it’s finally gone through! We asked Joy Alafia to come join us to discuss this journey as well as what therapists need to do now that we’re eligible to be Medicare providers. We answer the following questions and have a step by step guide in our show notes at mtsgpodcast.com:
What was the process for MFTs and Counselors to be included in Medicare?
Now that Marriage and Family Therapists and Counselors are eligible to bill Medicare, what do we need to do?
What do therapists need to do if they would like to Opt In to provide Medicare services?
What do therapists need to do if they would like to Opt Out of billing Medicare?
What should therapists consider when deciding whether to take Medicare?
·      Clinical specialty – if you work with folks 65 and older or with disabled folks, you will want to strongly consider taking Medicare as these clients are typically eligible and would like to use their insurance
·      Access – if you have the ability (i.e., space in your caseload) to see Medicare patients, there is a huge need for providers who accept this insurance
·      Credibility – there is increased credibility as a provider when you are able to take Medicare
·      Rates – check out what the rates are for the areas where you see clients. To do so, look for your locality on the Physician Fee Schedule and multiply the rates by 75% if you are a masters level provider. If the rates are sufficient, you will consistently get clients and will consistently get paid. If the rates are not sufficient for your business, you will want to consider opting out and remaining private pay for these clients.
·      Documentation requirements – the documentation requirements are similar for most insurance plans, especially Medicaid. If you’re able to keep clean, efficient documentation, this should not be a deterrent for taking Medicare
·      Billing complexity – you will want to make sure to take trainings available (see below) to understand how you will need to bill this insurance plan and/or hire a biller who does
·      Consistency and recession-proofing your practice – Medicare is known to pay consistently and provide a lot of clients for your practice. As the population ages, this will be a larger and larger portion of the folks seeking mental health services. You may want to consider taking Medicare.
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together LOTS of resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT)
California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT)
CAMFT’s Medicare Corner (for CAMFT members)
CAMFT’s Medicare Webinars
A TON of other Resources can be found on our website at mtsgpodcast.com.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Do Therapists Need To Do About Medicare? Opting in or out for 2024: An interview with Joy Alafia, CAE</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Joy Alafia, Executive Director of California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, on the journey for MFTs and Counselors to become eligible to be Medicare providers. We look at the high-level tasks that every therapist needs to take. We also talk about the decision-making process for whether you should opt in or opt out, providing some basic guidance and resources on the steps you need to take now. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Do Therapists Need To Do About Medicare? Opting in or out for 2024: An interview with Joy Alafia, CAE
Curt and Katie interview Joy Alafia, Executive Director of California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, on the journey for MFTs and Counselors to become eligible to be Medicare providers. We look at the high-level tasks that every therapist needs to take. We also talk about the decision-making process for whether you should opt in or opt out, providing some basic guidance and resources on the steps you need to take now.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about MFTs and Counselors becoming Medicare Providers
Curt and Katie have spent hours in advocacy efforts for MFTs and Counselors to become Medicare providers through their past involvement in the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT). And it’s finally gone through! We asked Joy Alafia to come join us to discuss this journey as well as what therapists need to do now that we’re eligible to be Medicare providers. We answer the following questions and have a step by step guide in our show notes at mtsgpodcast.com:
What was the process for MFTs and Counselors to be included in Medicare?
Now that Marriage and Family Therapists and Counselors are eligible to bill Medicare, what do we need to do?
What do therapists need to do if they would like to Opt In to provide Medicare services?
What do therapists need to do if they would like to Opt Out of billing Medicare?
What should therapists consider when deciding whether to take Medicare?
·      Clinical specialty – if you work with folks 65 and older or with disabled folks, you will want to strongly consider taking Medicare as these clients are typically eligible and would like to use their insurance
·      Access – if you have the ability (i.e., space in your caseload) to see Medicare patients, there is a huge need for providers who accept this insurance
·      Credibility – there is increased credibility as a provider when you are able to take Medicare
·      Rates – check out what the rates are for the areas where you see clients. To do so, look for your locality on the Physician Fee Schedule and multiply the rates by 75% if you are a masters level provider. If the rates are sufficient, you will consistently get clients and will consistently get paid. If the rates are not sufficient for your business, you will want to consider opting out and remaining private pay for these clients.
·      Documentation requirements – the documentation requirements are similar for most insurance plans, especially Medicaid. If you’re able to keep clean, efficient documentation, this should not be a deterrent for taking Medicare
·      Billing complexity – you will want to make sure to take trainings available (see below) to understand how you will need to bill this insurance plan and/or hire a biller who does
·      Consistency and recession-proofing your practice – Medicare is known to pay consistently and provide a lot of clients for your practice. As the population ages, this will be a larger and larger portion of the folks seeking mental health services. You may want to consider taking Medicare.
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together LOTS of resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT)
California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT)
CAMFT’s Medicare Corner (for CAMFT members)
CAMFT’s Medicare Webinars
A TON of other Resources can be found on our website at mtsgpodcast.com.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What Do Therapists Need To Do About Medicare? Opting in or out for 2024: An interview with Joy Alafia, CAE</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Joy Alafia, Executive Director of California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, on the journey for MFTs and Counselors to become eligible to be Medicare providers. We look at the high-level tasks that every therapist needs to take. We also talk about the decision-making process for whether you should opt in or opt out, providing some basic guidance and resources on the steps you need to take now.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about MFTs and Counselors becoming Medicare Providers</h2><p>Curt and Katie have spent hours in advocacy efforts for MFTs and Counselors to become Medicare providers through their past involvement in the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT). And it’s finally gone through! We asked Joy Alafia to come join us to discuss this journey as well as what therapists need to do now that we’re eligible to be Medicare providers. We answer the following questions and have a step by step guide in our show notes at mtsgpodcast.com:</p><h3>What was the process for MFTs and Counselors to be included in Medicare?</h3><h3>Now that Marriage and Family Therapists and Counselors are eligible to bill Medicare, what do we need to do?</h3><h3>What do therapists need to do if they would like to Opt In to provide Medicare services?</h3><h3>What do therapists need to do if they would like to Opt Out of billing Medicare?</h3><h3>What should therapists consider when deciding whether to take Medicare?</h3><p>·      <strong>Clinical specialty</strong> – if you work with folks 65 and older or with disabled folks, you will want to strongly consider taking Medicare as these clients are typically eligible and would like to use their insurance</p><p>·      <strong>Access</strong> – if you have the ability (i.e., space in your caseload) to see Medicare patients, there is a huge need for providers who accept this insurance</p><p>·      <strong>Credibility</strong> – there is increased credibility as a provider when you are able to take Medicare</p><p>·      <strong>Rates</strong> – check out what the rates are for the areas where you see clients. To do so, look for your locality on the <a href="https://www.cms.gov/medicare/physician-fee-schedule/search">Physician Fee Schedule</a> and multiply the rates by 75% if you are a masters level provider. If the rates are sufficient, you will consistently get clients and will consistently get paid. If the rates are not sufficient for your business, you will want to consider opting out and remaining private pay for these clients.</p><p>·      <strong>Documentation requirements</strong> – the documentation requirements are similar for most insurance plans, especially Medicaid. If you’re able to keep clean, efficient documentation, this should not be a deterrent for taking Medicare</p><p>·      <strong>Billing complexity</strong> – you will want to make sure to take trainings available (see below) to understand how you will need to bill this insurance plan and/or hire a biller who does</p><p>·      <strong>Consistency and recession-proofing your practice</strong> – Medicare is known to pay consistently and provide a lot of clients for your practice. As the population ages, this will be a larger and larger portion of the folks seeking mental health services. You may want to consider taking Medicare.</p><h3>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h3><p>We’ve pulled together LOTS of resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT)</p><p><a href="https://www.camft.org/">California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.camft.org/medicare">CAMFT’s Medicare Corner (for CAMFT members)</a></p><p><a href="https://ondemand.camft.org/courses/56824">CAMFT’s Medicare Webinars</a></p><p>A TON of other Resources can be found on our website at mtsgpodcast.com.</p><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How Can Therapists Take a Real Vacation?</title>
      <description>How Can Therapists Take a Real Vacation?
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can take extended time away from their therapy practices. We talk about how to budget time and money for vacation as well as what therapists need to have covered when they’re gone. We also look at how to mitigate foreseeable risk and manage continuity of care.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can get time away from work
We’ve heard too many people talking about the challenges of taking time off when you’re working as a therapist.
How can therapists budget for time off?
·      Determining fees based on time you’re actually working (i.e., charging more or determining number of weekly sessions based on when you can be away)
·      Scheduling based on diminishing the number of actual missed sessions (i.e., scheduling vacations when your clients are on vacation and/or taking long weekends and moving clients within the week to take partial weeks off)
What do therapists need to cover when they go on vacation?
·      Clinical coverage within your practice or with colleagues
·      Identify when you’re on-call and how you navigate that within your vacation
·      Supervision coverage planning
·      Understanding when you can respond to clients or supervisees (i.e., being in wise mind)
·      Safety planning with clients, including coverage plan and/or when you’re available
How can therapists mitigate the clinical risks for taking longer vacations?
·      Determining when you should stop taking new clients before a longer vacation
·      Teaching your clients to be okay without you
·      Flexibility on when you take time away and how to take time away from the office
·      Planning for foreseeable risks
·      Homework or other resources
What does a hybrid work vacation look like?
·      Virtual work as needed
·      Creating times/spaces for clinical sessions and follow up
·      Make sure you have sufficient wifi or cell reception and privacy
·      It’s important to make sure you get downtime and aren’t constantly working
Why is it important to take time off when you’re a therapist?
·      Getting rejuvenated and living life
·      Working to prevent burnout
·      Renewed sense of energy within the profession
·      Our job is to talk about pain and suffering and there is so much pain and suffering in the world, so it is important to get restorative breaks

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How Can Therapists Take a Real Vacation?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can take extended time away from their therapy practices. We talk about how to budget time and money for vacation as well as what therapists need to have covered when they’re gone. We also look at how to mitigate foreseeable risk and manage continuity of care. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Can Therapists Take a Real Vacation?
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can take extended time away from their therapy practices. We talk about how to budget time and money for vacation as well as what therapists need to have covered when they’re gone. We also look at how to mitigate foreseeable risk and manage continuity of care.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can get time away from work
We’ve heard too many people talking about the challenges of taking time off when you’re working as a therapist.
How can therapists budget for time off?
·      Determining fees based on time you’re actually working (i.e., charging more or determining number of weekly sessions based on when you can be away)
·      Scheduling based on diminishing the number of actual missed sessions (i.e., scheduling vacations when your clients are on vacation and/or taking long weekends and moving clients within the week to take partial weeks off)
What do therapists need to cover when they go on vacation?
·      Clinical coverage within your practice or with colleagues
·      Identify when you’re on-call and how you navigate that within your vacation
·      Supervision coverage planning
·      Understanding when you can respond to clients or supervisees (i.e., being in wise mind)
·      Safety planning with clients, including coverage plan and/or when you’re available
How can therapists mitigate the clinical risks for taking longer vacations?
·      Determining when you should stop taking new clients before a longer vacation
·      Teaching your clients to be okay without you
·      Flexibility on when you take time away and how to take time away from the office
·      Planning for foreseeable risks
·      Homework or other resources
What does a hybrid work vacation look like?
·      Virtual work as needed
·      Creating times/spaces for clinical sessions and follow up
·      Make sure you have sufficient wifi or cell reception and privacy
·      It’s important to make sure you get downtime and aren’t constantly working
Why is it important to take time off when you’re a therapist?
·      Getting rejuvenated and living life
·      Working to prevent burnout
·      Renewed sense of energy within the profession
·      Our job is to talk about pain and suffering and there is so much pain and suffering in the world, so it is important to get restorative breaks

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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        <![CDATA[<h1>How Can Therapists Take a Real Vacation?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can take extended time away from their therapy practices. We talk about how to budget time and money for vacation as well as what therapists need to have covered when they’re gone. We also look at how to mitigate foreseeable risk and manage continuity of care.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can get time away from work</h2><p>We’ve heard too many people talking about the challenges of taking time off when you’re working as a therapist.</p><h3>How can therapists budget for time off?</h3><p>·      Determining fees based on time you’re actually working (i.e., charging more or determining number of weekly sessions based on when you can be away)</p><p>·      Scheduling based on diminishing the number of actual missed sessions (i.e., scheduling vacations when your clients are on vacation and/or taking long weekends and moving clients within the week to take partial weeks off)</p><h3>What do therapists need to cover when they go on vacation?</h3><p>·      Clinical coverage within your practice or with colleagues</p><p>·      Identify when you’re on-call and how you navigate that within your vacation</p><p>·      Supervision coverage planning</p><p>·      Understanding when you can respond to clients or supervisees (i.e., being in wise mind)</p><p>·      Safety planning with clients, including coverage plan and/or when you’re available</p><h3>How can therapists mitigate the clinical risks for taking longer vacations?</h3><p>·      Determining when you should stop taking new clients before a longer vacation</p><p>·      Teaching your clients to be okay without you</p><p>·      Flexibility on when you take time away and how to take time away from the office</p><p>·      Planning for foreseeable risks</p><p>·      Homework or other resources</p><h3>What does a hybrid work vacation look like?</h3><p>·      Virtual work as needed</p><p>·      Creating times/spaces for clinical sessions and follow up</p><p>·      Make sure you have sufficient wifi or cell reception and privacy</p><p>·      It’s important to make sure you get downtime and aren’t constantly working</p><h3>Why is it important to take time off when you’re a therapist?</h3><p>·      Getting rejuvenated and living life</p><p>·      Working to prevent burnout</p><p>·      Renewed sense of energy within the profession</p><p>·      Our job is to talk about pain and suffering and there is so much pain and suffering in the world, so it is important to get restorative breaks</p><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Religious Trauma and High-Control Religion: An Interview with Anna Clark Miller, LPC, LMHC</title>
      <description>Religious Trauma and High-Control Religion: An Interview with Anna Clark Miller, LPC, LMHC
Curt and Katie interview Anna Clark Miller about religious trauma. We explore what religious trauma and high-control religions are. We look at common mistakes therapists can make when working with religious trauma survivors as well as what therapy and healing can look like for these folks.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about religious trauma and high-control religion
We were interested to learn more about how therapists can support religious trauma survivors, so we reached out to an expert, Anna Clark Miller, to share her wisdom.
What is religious trauma?
·      Complex trauma over a long period of time
·      Impacts to the nervous system
·      Traumatic beliefs about religion and the after life
·      Following rules and conforming to a religious group’s idea of how someone should live
What mistakes do therapists make when working with religious trauma survivors?
·      Therapists becoming the client’s new spiritual authority
·      Clients using therapy to tell them how to think and live
·      Clients need to own themselves and their own minds, not work to please the therapist
What does healing after leaving a “high control” religion look like?
·      The loss of so much, including social support, identity, etc.
·      Complex PTSD healing
·      How will I fit into the world? How will I talk with people?
·      Building hope for someone who is needing to completely remake their life and identity
·      The client needs to create a sense of safety within themselves
·      You can’t “rip off the Band-Aid” with leaving a high control religious group
·      Helping clients with their judgment around their emotions (starting with observation before judging if it is good or bad)
·      Working with clients to examine their beliefs (over time)
What is included in the treatment for religious trauma survivors
·      Noticing one’s body
·      Exploring and reimagining healthy relationships
·      Identity work
·      Deconstruction of topics based on what the client is thinking, feeling, etc.
·      Addressing spiritual bypassing
·      Not just “mindfulness” due to concerns about secular psychology
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Religious Trauma and High-Control Religion: An Interview with Anna Clark Miller, LPC, LMHC</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Anna Clark Miller about religious trauma. We explore what religious trauma and high-control religions are. We look at common mistakes therapists can make when working with religious trauma survivors as well as what therapy and healing can look like for these folks. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Religious Trauma and High-Control Religion: An Interview with Anna Clark Miller, LPC, LMHC
Curt and Katie interview Anna Clark Miller about religious trauma. We explore what religious trauma and high-control religions are. We look at common mistakes therapists can make when working with religious trauma survivors as well as what therapy and healing can look like for these folks.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about religious trauma and high-control religion
We were interested to learn more about how therapists can support religious trauma survivors, so we reached out to an expert, Anna Clark Miller, to share her wisdom.
What is religious trauma?
·      Complex trauma over a long period of time
·      Impacts to the nervous system
·      Traumatic beliefs about religion and the after life
·      Following rules and conforming to a religious group’s idea of how someone should live
What mistakes do therapists make when working with religious trauma survivors?
·      Therapists becoming the client’s new spiritual authority
·      Clients using therapy to tell them how to think and live
·      Clients need to own themselves and their own minds, not work to please the therapist
What does healing after leaving a “high control” religion look like?
·      The loss of so much, including social support, identity, etc.
·      Complex PTSD healing
·      How will I fit into the world? How will I talk with people?
·      Building hope for someone who is needing to completely remake their life and identity
·      The client needs to create a sense of safety within themselves
·      You can’t “rip off the Band-Aid” with leaving a high control religious group
·      Helping clients with their judgment around their emotions (starting with observation before judging if it is good or bad)
·      Working with clients to examine their beliefs (over time)
What is included in the treatment for religious trauma survivors
·      Noticing one’s body
·      Exploring and reimagining healthy relationships
·      Identity work
·      Deconstruction of topics based on what the client is thinking, feeling, etc.
·      Addressing spiritual bypassing
·      Not just “mindfulness” due to concerns about secular psychology
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Religious Trauma and High-Control Religion: An Interview with Anna Clark Miller, LPC, LMHC</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Anna Clark Miller about religious trauma. We explore what religious trauma and high-control religions are. We look at common mistakes therapists can make when working with religious trauma survivors as well as what therapy and healing can look like for these folks.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about religious trauma and high-control religion</h2><p>We were interested to learn more about how therapists can support religious trauma survivors, so we reached out to an expert, Anna Clark Miller, to share her wisdom.</p><h3>What is religious trauma?</h3><p>·      Complex trauma over a long period of time</p><p>·      Impacts to the nervous system</p><p>·      Traumatic beliefs about religion and the after life</p><p>·      Following rules and conforming to a religious group’s idea of how someone should live</p><h3>What mistakes do therapists make when working with religious trauma survivors?</h3><p>·      Therapists becoming the client’s new spiritual authority</p><p>·      Clients using therapy to tell them how to think and live</p><p>·      Clients need to own themselves and their own minds, not work to please the therapist</p><h3>What does healing after leaving a “high control” religion look like?</h3><p>·      The loss of so much, including social support, identity, etc.</p><p>·      Complex PTSD healing</p><p>·      How will I fit into the world? How will I talk with people?</p><p>·      Building hope for someone who is needing to completely remake their life and identity</p><p>·      The client needs to create a sense of safety within themselves</p><p>·      You can’t “rip off the Band-Aid” with leaving a high control religious group</p><p>·      Helping clients with their judgment around their emotions (starting with observation before judging if it is good or bad)</p><p>·      Working with clients to examine their beliefs (over time)</p><h3>What is included in the treatment for religious trauma survivors</h3><p>·      Noticing one’s body</p><p>·      Exploring and reimagining healthy relationships</p><p>·      Identity work</p><p>·      Deconstruction of topics based on what the client is thinking, feeling, etc.</p><p>·      Addressing spiritual bypassing</p><p>·      Not just “mindfulness” due to concerns about secular psychology</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How Much Autonomy Do Therapy Clients Deserve? Balancing client autonomy with therapist skill</title>
      <description>How Much Autonomy Do Therapy Clients Deserve? Balancing client autonomy with therapist skill
Curt and Katie chat about client autonomy. We look at what patient autonomy is and what therapists need to understand about this very complex topic. We explore how therapists can overstep or abdicate their role in supporting their clients in making decisions. We also look at what true informed consent is and the dimensions of client autonomy. This is an ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about client autonomy
Therapists are faced with balancing their professional knowledge with the needs and desires of clients. At the core of this issue is the principle ethic of client autonomy. How much autonomy do therapists need to give clients? What do therapists do when clients don’t have the capacity for autonomy in the first place? This workshop explores the considerations that therapists must face when balancing the needs of clients with professional mental health services.hen
What is patient or client autonomy in mental health?
·      Clients making decisions about their treatment based on solid information and an understanding of that information
·      There is a debate related to whether we defer to clients’ decisions no matter what versus standing in the role of professional therapist
What do therapists need to understand about client autonomy?
·      There is a lot of complexity and nuance related to therapist responsibility as professionals versus when therapists can become too paternalistic
·      There is a not a lot of discussion within the ethics codes related to client autonomy, they are usually in the preamble, so it is more important while also be less discussed
·      Freedom (or liberty) to make choices versus agency (or capacity) to understand the choices
·      Therapists need to clarify for clients the options and make sure they can make informed decisions
How is informed consent related to client autonomy?
·      If clients don’t know what their therapists are doing, do they have client autonomy?
·      Evaluation of whether someone has the capacity to make treatment decisions can be impacted by bias, but is the role of the therapist within the mental health treatment
·      We don’t want to equate autonomy with autonomous decision-making
Dimensions of client autonomy and the therapist’s responsibility
·      Decisional dimension – being able to plan and make decisions about their mental health treatment
·      Executive dimension - being able to follow through on the plans made
·      Therapists need to be able to step forward and provide additional support to clients to bring them back to autonomy or hold a line in treatment that will and will not be offered
·      Informed dimension - understanding the difference between informed consent and informed assent and being able to give instructions ahead of time if have a mental health crises
·      Looking at a “Mental Health Advanced Directive” – one example is the Wellness Recovery Action Plan (see the resources section in the show notes).
Paternalism and client autonomy
·      Not all “paternalism” is wrong – when clients are unable to care for self, they may need some paternalism to be able to be safe or get the treatment that they need
·      Asymmetrical versus libertarian paternalism is discussed
·      The importance of understanding your own bias and how the way you frame options can be manipulative
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How Much Autonomy Do Therapy Clients Deserve? Balancing client autonomy with therapist skill</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/01fb3f0c-842a-11ee-b067-b39171cba59d/image/9b2679.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about client autonomy. We look at what patient autonomy is and what therapists need to understand about this very complex topic. We explore how therapists can overstep or abdicate their role in supporting their clients in making decisions. We also look at what true informed consent is and the dimensions of client autonomy. This is an ethics continuing education podcourse. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Much Autonomy Do Therapy Clients Deserve? Balancing client autonomy with therapist skill
Curt and Katie chat about client autonomy. We look at what patient autonomy is and what therapists need to understand about this very complex topic. We explore how therapists can overstep or abdicate their role in supporting their clients in making decisions. We also look at what true informed consent is and the dimensions of client autonomy. This is an ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about client autonomy
Therapists are faced with balancing their professional knowledge with the needs and desires of clients. At the core of this issue is the principle ethic of client autonomy. How much autonomy do therapists need to give clients? What do therapists do when clients don’t have the capacity for autonomy in the first place? This workshop explores the considerations that therapists must face when balancing the needs of clients with professional mental health services.hen
What is patient or client autonomy in mental health?
·      Clients making decisions about their treatment based on solid information and an understanding of that information
·      There is a debate related to whether we defer to clients’ decisions no matter what versus standing in the role of professional therapist
What do therapists need to understand about client autonomy?
·      There is a lot of complexity and nuance related to therapist responsibility as professionals versus when therapists can become too paternalistic
·      There is a not a lot of discussion within the ethics codes related to client autonomy, they are usually in the preamble, so it is more important while also be less discussed
·      Freedom (or liberty) to make choices versus agency (or capacity) to understand the choices
·      Therapists need to clarify for clients the options and make sure they can make informed decisions
How is informed consent related to client autonomy?
·      If clients don’t know what their therapists are doing, do they have client autonomy?
·      Evaluation of whether someone has the capacity to make treatment decisions can be impacted by bias, but is the role of the therapist within the mental health treatment
·      We don’t want to equate autonomy with autonomous decision-making
Dimensions of client autonomy and the therapist’s responsibility
·      Decisional dimension – being able to plan and make decisions about their mental health treatment
·      Executive dimension - being able to follow through on the plans made
·      Therapists need to be able to step forward and provide additional support to clients to bring them back to autonomy or hold a line in treatment that will and will not be offered
·      Informed dimension - understanding the difference between informed consent and informed assent and being able to give instructions ahead of time if have a mental health crises
·      Looking at a “Mental Health Advanced Directive” – one example is the Wellness Recovery Action Plan (see the resources section in the show notes).
Paternalism and client autonomy
·      Not all “paternalism” is wrong – when clients are unable to care for self, they may need some paternalism to be able to be safe or get the treatment that they need
·      Asymmetrical versus libertarian paternalism is discussed
·      The importance of understanding your own bias and how the way you frame options can be manipulative
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How Much Autonomy Do Therapy Clients Deserve? Balancing client autonomy with therapist skill</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about client autonomy. We look at what patient autonomy is and what therapists need to understand about this very complex topic. We explore how therapists can overstep or abdicate their role in supporting their clients in making decisions. We also look at what true informed consent is and the dimensions of client autonomy. This is an ethics continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about client autonomy</h2><p>Therapists are faced with balancing their professional knowledge with the needs and desires of clients. At the core of this issue is the principle ethic of client autonomy. How much autonomy do therapists need to give clients? What do therapists do when clients don’t have the capacity for autonomy in the first place? This workshop explores the considerations that therapists must face when balancing the needs of clients with professional mental health services.hen</p><h3>What is patient or client autonomy in mental health?</h3><p>·      Clients making decisions about their treatment based on solid information and an understanding of that information</p><p>·      There is a debate related to whether we defer to clients’ decisions no matter what versus standing in the role of professional therapist</p><h3>What do therapists need to understand about client autonomy?</h3><p>·      There is a lot of complexity and nuance related to therapist responsibility as professionals versus when therapists can become too paternalistic</p><p>·      There is a not a lot of discussion within the ethics codes related to client autonomy, they are usually in the preamble, so it is more important while also be less discussed</p><p>·      Freedom (or liberty) to make choices versus agency (or capacity) to understand the choices</p><p>·      Therapists need to clarify for clients the options and make sure they can make informed decisions</p><h3>How is informed consent related to client autonomy?</h3><p>·      If clients don’t know what their therapists are doing, do they have client autonomy?</p><p>·      Evaluation of whether someone has the capacity to make treatment decisions can be impacted by bias, but is the role of the therapist within the mental health treatment</p><p>·      We don’t want to equate autonomy with autonomous decision-making</p><h3>Dimensions of client autonomy and the therapist’s responsibility</h3><p>·      Decisional dimension – being able to plan and make decisions about their mental health treatment</p><p>·      Executive dimension - being able to follow through on the plans made</p><p>·      Therapists need to be able to step forward and provide additional support to clients to bring them back to autonomy or hold a line in treatment that will and will not be offered</p><p>·      Informed dimension - understanding the difference between informed consent and informed assent and being able to give instructions ahead of time if have a mental health crises</p><p>·      Looking at a “Mental Health Advanced Directive” – one example is the Wellness Recovery Action Plan (see the resources section in the show notes).</p><h3>Paternalism and client autonomy</h3><p>·      Not all “paternalism” is wrong – when clients are unable to care for self, they may need some paternalism to be able to be safe or get the treatment that they need</p><p>·      Asymmetrical versus libertarian paternalism is discussed</p><p>·      The importance of understanding your own bias and how the way you frame options can be manipulative</p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><p><a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>What’s Confidential and What’s a Secret? Navigating “No Secrets” Policies</title>
      <description>What’s Confidential and What’s a Secret? Navigating “No Secrets” Policies
Curt and Katie chat about no secret policies. We look at what they are, what needs to be in these policies, how to navigate secrets in therapy, the importance of these policies in relational therapy, and the complexity of “no secrets” when working with kids and teens.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about no secrets policies in therapy
In our continuing efforts to touch on all the topics that therapists need to know about, we decided to dig deeply on no secrets policies.
What is a no secrets policy?
·      Typically, these types of policies are created for relational therapy
·      “No secrets” means that the therapist will not keep a secret that is clinically relevant from a member of the treatment unit, even when someone contacts the therapist outside of session
·      This policy needs to be understood by all the members of the treatment unit
How can therapists navigate secrets in therapy?
·      If there is communication outside of therapy, it is important to hold the boundaries within your no secrets policy
·      Flexibility related to when and how secrets are shared (versus rigidity and immediacy)
·      Explicit discussion around exceptions of the “no secrets” policy related to intimate partner violence
·      It is important to have a clinical evaluation of when and how the secret is shared into the treatment unit and whether the secret is clinically relevant to the treatment unit
·      Clarify the treatment unit and clinical orientation to sort through what needs to be in your secrets policy
·      Determining how not to be triangulated by members of the couple or family
What needs to be in a therapist’s secrets policy?
·      Clear guidance on who is included in the treatment unit
·      What secrets will be kept or not kept (e.g., intimate partner violence)
·      How secrets will be handled as they come up
·      Assessment of the capacity of each member of the treatment unit to participate in these conversations about confidentiality and secrets
What about no secrets when you’re working with kids and teens?
·      Clarity on the treatment unit (individual kid or family, etc.)
·      Identifying how confidentiality is held for kids and teens
·      Working with the kids and teens to plan for disclosure to caregivers
·      For parents of young/school-aged children, there may be work to help caregivers to disclose information appropriately over time (thus the therapist holds the secret for a period of time)
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What's Confidential and Whats a Secret? Navigating No Secrets Policies</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about no secret policies. We look at what they are, what needs to be in these policies, how to navigate secrets in therapy, the importance of these policies in relational therapy, and the complexity of “no secrets” when working with kids and teens. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What’s Confidential and What’s a Secret? Navigating “No Secrets” Policies
Curt and Katie chat about no secret policies. We look at what they are, what needs to be in these policies, how to navigate secrets in therapy, the importance of these policies in relational therapy, and the complexity of “no secrets” when working with kids and teens.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about no secrets policies in therapy
In our continuing efforts to touch on all the topics that therapists need to know about, we decided to dig deeply on no secrets policies.
What is a no secrets policy?
·      Typically, these types of policies are created for relational therapy
·      “No secrets” means that the therapist will not keep a secret that is clinically relevant from a member of the treatment unit, even when someone contacts the therapist outside of session
·      This policy needs to be understood by all the members of the treatment unit
How can therapists navigate secrets in therapy?
·      If there is communication outside of therapy, it is important to hold the boundaries within your no secrets policy
·      Flexibility related to when and how secrets are shared (versus rigidity and immediacy)
·      Explicit discussion around exceptions of the “no secrets” policy related to intimate partner violence
·      It is important to have a clinical evaluation of when and how the secret is shared into the treatment unit and whether the secret is clinically relevant to the treatment unit
·      Clarify the treatment unit and clinical orientation to sort through what needs to be in your secrets policy
·      Determining how not to be triangulated by members of the couple or family
What needs to be in a therapist’s secrets policy?
·      Clear guidance on who is included in the treatment unit
·      What secrets will be kept or not kept (e.g., intimate partner violence)
·      How secrets will be handled as they come up
·      Assessment of the capacity of each member of the treatment unit to participate in these conversations about confidentiality and secrets
What about no secrets when you’re working with kids and teens?
·      Clarity on the treatment unit (individual kid or family, etc.)
·      Identifying how confidentiality is held for kids and teens
·      Working with the kids and teens to plan for disclosure to caregivers
·      For parents of young/school-aged children, there may be work to help caregivers to disclose information appropriately over time (thus the therapist holds the secret for a period of time)
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What’s Confidential and What’s a Secret? Navigating “No Secrets” Policies</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about no secret policies. We look at what they are, what needs to be in these policies, how to navigate secrets in therapy, the importance of these policies in relational therapy, and the complexity of “no secrets” when working with kids and teens.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about no secrets policies in therapy</h2><p>In our continuing efforts to touch on all the topics that therapists need to know about, we decided to dig deeply on no secrets policies.</p><h3>What is a no secrets policy?</h3><p>·      Typically, these types of policies are created for relational therapy</p><p>·      “No secrets” means that the therapist will not keep a secret that is clinically relevant from a member of the treatment unit, even when someone contacts the therapist outside of session</p><p>·      This policy needs to be understood by all the members of the treatment unit</p><h3>How can therapists navigate secrets in therapy?</h3><p>·      If there is communication outside of therapy, it is important to hold the boundaries within your no secrets policy</p><p>·      Flexibility related to when and how secrets are shared (versus rigidity and immediacy)</p><p>·      Explicit discussion around exceptions of the “no secrets” policy related to intimate partner violence</p><p>·      It is important to have a clinical evaluation of when and how the secret is shared into the treatment unit and whether the secret is clinically relevant to the treatment unit</p><p>·      Clarify the treatment unit and clinical orientation to sort through what needs to be in your secrets policy</p><p>·      Determining how not to be triangulated by members of the couple or family</p><h3>What needs to be in a therapist’s secrets policy?</h3><p>·      Clear guidance on who is included in the treatment unit</p><p>·      What secrets will be kept or not kept (e.g., intimate partner violence)</p><p>·      How secrets will be handled as they come up</p><p>·      Assessment of the capacity of each member of the treatment unit to participate in these conversations about confidentiality and secrets</p><h3>What about no secrets when you’re working with kids and teens?</h3><p>·      Clarity on the treatment unit (individual kid or family, etc.)</p><p>·      Identifying how confidentiality is held for kids and teens</p><p>·      Working with the kids and teens to plan for disclosure to caregivers</p><p>·      For parents of young/school-aged children, there may be work to help caregivers to disclose information appropriately over time (thus the therapist holds the secret for a period of time)</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Is This My Stuff? How therapists can sort through countertransference: An Interview with Dr. Amy Meyers, LCSW</title>
      <description>Is This My Stuff? How therapists can sort through countertransference: An Interview with Dr. Amy Meyers, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Amy Meyers on countertransference. We talk about what countertransference is, how therapists typically struggle when working in the transference and countertransference, how the profession’s relationship to countertransference has changed, and what therapists can do to better understand themselves. We also talk a bit about the blank slate.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at countertransference
We’re talking about a topic we haven’t touched on yet: countertransference. We are joined by an expert in countertransference, Dr. Amy Meyers, LCSW
What is countertransference?
·      Beyond self-awareness and understanding oneself
·      We have experiences and make them our own and expect people to respond to me in the same way as others have in the past
What do therapists struggle with when addressing transference and countertransference?
·      When therapists don’t know themselves well enough, they will not be able to identify when countertransference is coming up
·      Therapists will often avoid conflict or put too much of themselves in the room without full assessment
·      Therapists misunderstand the utility of countertransference and try to avoid it
·      Simplification of the blank slate. Dr. Meyers’ understanding is that it is avoiding unintentionally putting your emotions in the session, which gets in the way of clients’ projecting emotions on the therapist (transference)
How should therapists be taught to use countertransference?
·      Looking at how you feel about the interactions with your clients and your feelings about your clients as individuals
·      Treating therapists as human beings with emotions and explore how their humanity interacts with their work with their clients
How has the field changed its relationship with countertransference?
·      People have moved into quicker therapy and more manualized treatments
·      There is less focus on longer term, relationship based treatment rather than tools and strategies
·      Supervisors and trainers are less focused on training therapists in this element of the work
What can therapists do when they become aware of their countertransference reactions
·      Considering other options rather than what is familiar
·      Using the relationship in therapy as a corrective emotional experience
·      We discuss a couple of case examples to explore how to work with countertransference with real clients
·      Sorting out what is self-disclosure versus use of self in session and how are each can be helpful
·      Go to therapy
·      Go to supervision
·      Learn and read more about countertransference

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Is This My Stuff? How therapists can sort through countertransference: An Interview with Dr. Amy Meyers, LCSW</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Amy Meyers on countertransference. We talk about what countertransference is, how therapists typically struggle when working in the transference and countertransference, how the profession’s relationship to countertransference has changed, and what therapists can do to better understand themselves. We also talk a bit about the blank slate.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is This My Stuff? How therapists can sort through countertransference: An Interview with Dr. Amy Meyers, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Amy Meyers on countertransference. We talk about what countertransference is, how therapists typically struggle when working in the transference and countertransference, how the profession’s relationship to countertransference has changed, and what therapists can do to better understand themselves. We also talk a bit about the blank slate.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at countertransference
We’re talking about a topic we haven’t touched on yet: countertransference. We are joined by an expert in countertransference, Dr. Amy Meyers, LCSW
What is countertransference?
·      Beyond self-awareness and understanding oneself
·      We have experiences and make them our own and expect people to respond to me in the same way as others have in the past
What do therapists struggle with when addressing transference and countertransference?
·      When therapists don’t know themselves well enough, they will not be able to identify when countertransference is coming up
·      Therapists will often avoid conflict or put too much of themselves in the room without full assessment
·      Therapists misunderstand the utility of countertransference and try to avoid it
·      Simplification of the blank slate. Dr. Meyers’ understanding is that it is avoiding unintentionally putting your emotions in the session, which gets in the way of clients’ projecting emotions on the therapist (transference)
How should therapists be taught to use countertransference?
·      Looking at how you feel about the interactions with your clients and your feelings about your clients as individuals
·      Treating therapists as human beings with emotions and explore how their humanity interacts with their work with their clients
How has the field changed its relationship with countertransference?
·      People have moved into quicker therapy and more manualized treatments
·      There is less focus on longer term, relationship based treatment rather than tools and strategies
·      Supervisors and trainers are less focused on training therapists in this element of the work
What can therapists do when they become aware of their countertransference reactions
·      Considering other options rather than what is familiar
·      Using the relationship in therapy as a corrective emotional experience
·      We discuss a couple of case examples to explore how to work with countertransference with real clients
·      Sorting out what is self-disclosure versus use of self in session and how are each can be helpful
·      Go to therapy
·      Go to supervision
·      Learn and read more about countertransference

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Is This My Stuff? How therapists can sort through countertransference: An Interview with Dr. Amy Meyers, LCSW</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Amy Meyers on countertransference. We talk about what countertransference is, how therapists typically struggle when working in the transference and countertransference, how the profession’s relationship to countertransference has changed, and what therapists can do to better understand themselves. We also talk a bit about the blank slate.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we look at countertransference</h2><p>We’re talking about a topic we haven’t touched on yet: countertransference. We are joined by an expert in countertransference, Dr. Amy Meyers, LCSW</p><h3>What is countertransference?</h3><p>·      Beyond self-awareness and understanding oneself</p><p>·      We have experiences and make them our own and expect people to respond to me in the same way as others have in the past</p><h3>What do therapists struggle with when addressing transference and countertransference?</h3><p>·      When therapists don’t know themselves well enough, they will not be able to identify when countertransference is coming up</p><p>·      Therapists will often avoid conflict or put too much of themselves in the room without full assessment</p><p>·      Therapists misunderstand the utility of countertransference and try to avoid it</p><p>·      Simplification of the blank slate. Dr. Meyers’ understanding is that it is avoiding unintentionally putting your emotions in the session, which gets in the way of clients’ projecting emotions on the therapist (transference)</p><h3>How should therapists be taught to use countertransference?</h3><p>·      Looking at how you feel about the interactions with your clients and your feelings about your clients as individuals</p><p>·      Treating therapists as human beings with emotions and explore how their humanity interacts with their work with their clients</p><h3>How has the field changed its relationship with countertransference?</h3><p>·      People have moved into quicker therapy and more manualized treatments</p><p>·      There is less focus on longer term, relationship based treatment rather than tools and strategies</p><p>·      Supervisors and trainers are less focused on training therapists in this element of the work</p><h3>What can therapists do when they become aware of their countertransference reactions</h3><p>·      Considering other options rather than what is familiar</p><p>·      Using the relationship in therapy as a corrective emotional experience</p><p>·      We discuss a couple of case examples to explore how to work with countertransference with real clients</p><p>·      Sorting out what is self-disclosure versus use of self in session and how are each can be helpful</p><p>·      Go to therapy</p><p>·      Go to supervision</p><p>·      Learn and read more about countertransference</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Decolonizing Therapy: A Movement - An Interview with Dr. Jennifer Mullan</title>
      <description>Decolonizing Therapy: A Movement - An Interview with Dr. Jennifer Mullan
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jennifer Mullan about decolonizing therapy. We discuss what it means to decolonize therapy and the importance of doing so, as well as the challenges therapists face when they are looking to decolonize their practices and incorporate cultural and community healing. We also explore rage, the tendency to pathologize big emotions, and the impact of historical trauma.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at what it means to decolonize therapy
Over time we’ve talked with innovators who are pushing back against the status quo and the medical model. We were so excited to dig more deeply into Decolonizing Therapy with Dr. Jennifer Mullan.
What does “decolonizing therapy” mean?
·      Looking at accessibility to therapy and how lack of access impacts individuals
·      Decolonizing therapy doesn’t work for everyone, especially folks in the global majority and/or who have the most need
·      The way that therapy is practiced is not sufficiently addressing the mental health crisis
·      Shifting therapy to include cultural healing practices, community healing and support
·      Moving the “blame” for poor mental health away from the individual to the individual’s context
What can therapists do if they would like to decolonize their own therapy practice?
·      Make sure you are doing your own work and have support while working in the role of healer
·      Identifying and accepting that all individuals have social, political and other frames that come in with them to the therapy room
·      Unlearning and embracing new knowledge, being okay with not knowing
·      Looking at historical trauma and colonization as core attachment wounds
·      Understanding how historical events impact your clients (and yourself)
·      Looking at how historical trauma is transmitted directly and indirectly
·      Learn in community
·      Rethink diagnosis
What can therapists get wrong when they are working to decolonize their therapy practice?
·      Struggling to see where compliance can conflict with the needs of clients at times
·      The impact of diagnosis on clients (especially behavioral diagnoses frequently given to Black and brown boys that often lead a child into the school to prison pipeline)
·      Not understanding larger concepts around what is political and big questions like why are people poor?
·      Deflecting questions from clients as being clinical material rather than understanding that clients are seeking a human connection
·      Holding to firmly to rigid “rules” around attendance and coming on time, for example
How can therapists work with rage and other big emotions?
·      It’s important to recognize that we are not receiving sufficient education around rage
·      It is important to understand what rage and what it is not
·      Grief, shame, and trauma lead to rage

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Decolonizing Therapy: A Movement - An Interview with Dr. Jennifer Mullan</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/f1a87d24-781a-11ee-9924-8b548a5c5c2a/image/d381c1.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jennifer Mullan about decolonizing therapy. We discuss what it means to decolonize therapy and the importance of doing so, as well as the challenges therapists face when they are looking to decolonize their practices and incorporate cultural and community healing. We also explore rage, the tendency to pathologize big emotions, and the impact of historical trauma.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Decolonizing Therapy: A Movement - An Interview with Dr. Jennifer Mullan
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jennifer Mullan about decolonizing therapy. We discuss what it means to decolonize therapy and the importance of doing so, as well as the challenges therapists face when they are looking to decolonize their practices and incorporate cultural and community healing. We also explore rage, the tendency to pathologize big emotions, and the impact of historical trauma.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at what it means to decolonize therapy
Over time we’ve talked with innovators who are pushing back against the status quo and the medical model. We were so excited to dig more deeply into Decolonizing Therapy with Dr. Jennifer Mullan.
What does “decolonizing therapy” mean?
·      Looking at accessibility to therapy and how lack of access impacts individuals
·      Decolonizing therapy doesn’t work for everyone, especially folks in the global majority and/or who have the most need
·      The way that therapy is practiced is not sufficiently addressing the mental health crisis
·      Shifting therapy to include cultural healing practices, community healing and support
·      Moving the “blame” for poor mental health away from the individual to the individual’s context
What can therapists do if they would like to decolonize their own therapy practice?
·      Make sure you are doing your own work and have support while working in the role of healer
·      Identifying and accepting that all individuals have social, political and other frames that come in with them to the therapy room
·      Unlearning and embracing new knowledge, being okay with not knowing
·      Looking at historical trauma and colonization as core attachment wounds
·      Understanding how historical events impact your clients (and yourself)
·      Looking at how historical trauma is transmitted directly and indirectly
·      Learn in community
·      Rethink diagnosis
What can therapists get wrong when they are working to decolonize their therapy practice?
·      Struggling to see where compliance can conflict with the needs of clients at times
·      The impact of diagnosis on clients (especially behavioral diagnoses frequently given to Black and brown boys that often lead a child into the school to prison pipeline)
·      Not understanding larger concepts around what is political and big questions like why are people poor?
·      Deflecting questions from clients as being clinical material rather than understanding that clients are seeking a human connection
·      Holding to firmly to rigid “rules” around attendance and coming on time, for example
How can therapists work with rage and other big emotions?
·      It’s important to recognize that we are not receiving sufficient education around rage
·      It is important to understand what rage and what it is not
·      Grief, shame, and trauma lead to rage

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Decolonizing Therapy: A Movement - An Interview with Dr. Jennifer Mullan</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jennifer Mullan about decolonizing therapy. We discuss what it means to decolonize therapy and the importance of doing so, as well as the challenges therapists face when they are looking to decolonize their practices and incorporate cultural and community healing. We also explore rage, the tendency to pathologize big emotions, and the impact of historical trauma.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we look at what it means to decolonize therapy</h2><p>Over time we’ve talked with innovators who are pushing back against the status quo and the medical model. We were so excited to dig more deeply into Decolonizing Therapy with Dr. Jennifer Mullan.</p><h3>What does “decolonizing therapy” mean?</h3><p>·      Looking at accessibility to therapy and how lack of access impacts individuals</p><p>·      Decolonizing therapy doesn’t work for everyone, especially folks in the global majority and/or who have the most need</p><p>·      The way that therapy is practiced is not sufficiently addressing the mental health crisis</p><p>·      Shifting therapy to include cultural healing practices, community healing and support</p><p>·      Moving the “blame” for poor mental health away from the individual to the individual’s context</p><h3>What can therapists do if they would like to decolonize their own therapy practice?</h3><p>·      Make sure you are doing your own work and have support while working in the role of healer</p><p>·      Identifying and accepting that all individuals have social, political and other frames that come in with them to the therapy room</p><p>·      Unlearning and embracing new knowledge, being okay with not knowing</p><p>·      Looking at historical trauma and colonization as core attachment wounds</p><p>·      Understanding how historical events impact your clients (and yourself)</p><p>·      Looking at how historical trauma is transmitted directly and indirectly</p><p>·      Learn in community</p><p>·      Rethink diagnosis</p><h3>What can therapists get wrong when they are working to decolonize their therapy practice?</h3><p>·      Struggling to see where compliance can conflict with the needs of clients at times</p><p>·      The impact of diagnosis on clients (especially behavioral diagnoses frequently given to Black and brown boys that often lead a child into the school to prison pipeline)</p><p>·      Not understanding larger concepts around what is political and big questions like why are people poor?</p><p>·      Deflecting questions from clients as being clinical material rather than understanding that clients are seeking a human connection</p><p>·      Holding to firmly to rigid “rules” around attendance and coming on time, for example</p><h3>How can therapists work with rage and other big emotions?</h3><p>·      It’s important to recognize that we are not receiving sufficient education around rage</p><p>·      It is important to understand what rage and what it is not</p><p>·      Grief, shame, and trauma lead to rage</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Should Therapists Admit to Making Mistakes in Therapy?</title>
      <description>Should Therapists Admit to Making Mistakes in Therapy?
Curt and Katie chat about what therapists can do to effectively navigate their own mistakes in the therapy room. We look at what constitutes a mistake in therapy, the types of mistakes that therapists make, and considerations on how to address mistakes. This is an ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how modern therapists can navigate making mistakes
When therapists make mistakes, clients can prematurely terminate treatment or fail to meet their goals. Most research on effective therapy looks at factors that minimize the therapist’s tendency to make mistakes, rather than what to do when they happen. However, focusing on the effectiveness of handling mistakes is one of the factors that clinicians can actually control. This workshop focuses on how effectively handling mistakes made by therapists and the mental health system can lead to better outcomes for clients.
What should therapists do when they make a mistake?
·       Looking at the humanity of the therapist
·       It is important to define what is actually a mistake
·       Looking at where mistakes can happen within treatment
·       Mistakes can be defined based on the definition of success
What types of mistakes do therapists make in therapy?
·       Incorrect or mismatched treatment without adjustment
·       Treatment failures happen for many different reasons – what is a mistake versus a work in progress?
·       Mistakes can be based on the individual client or therapist factors and the focus of the therapist in the therapeutic work and relationship
When should therapists admit mistakes?
·       Consideration of whether admitting the mistake will harm the client
·       Going beyond “non-malfeasance”
·       Exploring how clients like to handle a mistake
·       Paying attention to therapist’s own preferences or bias
·       Understanding when and how to take responsibility for what you’ve done as a therapist
·       Avoiding the impact on the client that they believe that they have made the mistake
·       Making sure therapists are resourced when they engage in this process
What are the systemic errors in mental health treatment?
·       Taking a global view to therapy can allow for seeing the other elements and systems
·       Recognizing the limits of what therapists can do to solve clients’ concerns, including due to agency policies
·       Harm caused by the profession and professional associations (statements made, research completed, etc.)

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about what therapists can do to effectively navigate their own mistakes in the therapy room.  We look at what constitutes a mistake in therapy, the types of mistakes that therapists make, and considerations on how to address mistakes. This is an ethics continuing education podcourse.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Should Therapists Admit to Making Mistakes in Therapy?
Curt and Katie chat about what therapists can do to effectively navigate their own mistakes in the therapy room. We look at what constitutes a mistake in therapy, the types of mistakes that therapists make, and considerations on how to address mistakes. This is an ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how modern therapists can navigate making mistakes
When therapists make mistakes, clients can prematurely terminate treatment or fail to meet their goals. Most research on effective therapy looks at factors that minimize the therapist’s tendency to make mistakes, rather than what to do when they happen. However, focusing on the effectiveness of handling mistakes is one of the factors that clinicians can actually control. This workshop focuses on how effectively handling mistakes made by therapists and the mental health system can lead to better outcomes for clients.
What should therapists do when they make a mistake?
·       Looking at the humanity of the therapist
·       It is important to define what is actually a mistake
·       Looking at where mistakes can happen within treatment
·       Mistakes can be defined based on the definition of success
What types of mistakes do therapists make in therapy?
·       Incorrect or mismatched treatment without adjustment
·       Treatment failures happen for many different reasons – what is a mistake versus a work in progress?
·       Mistakes can be based on the individual client or therapist factors and the focus of the therapist in the therapeutic work and relationship
When should therapists admit mistakes?
·       Consideration of whether admitting the mistake will harm the client
·       Going beyond “non-malfeasance”
·       Exploring how clients like to handle a mistake
·       Paying attention to therapist’s own preferences or bias
·       Understanding when and how to take responsibility for what you’ve done as a therapist
·       Avoiding the impact on the client that they believe that they have made the mistake
·       Making sure therapists are resourced when they engage in this process
What are the systemic errors in mental health treatment?
·       Taking a global view to therapy can allow for seeing the other elements and systems
·       Recognizing the limits of what therapists can do to solve clients’ concerns, including due to agency policies
·       Harm caused by the profession and professional associations (statements made, research completed, etc.)

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
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Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Should Therapists Admit to Making Mistakes in Therapy?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about what therapists can do to effectively navigate their own mistakes in the therapy room. We look at what constitutes a mistake in therapy, the types of mistakes that therapists make, and considerations on how to address mistakes. This is an ethics continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how modern therapists can navigate making mistakes</h2><p>When therapists make mistakes, clients can prematurely terminate treatment or fail to meet their goals. Most research on effective therapy looks at factors that minimize the therapist’s tendency to make mistakes, rather than what to do when they happen. However, focusing on the effectiveness of handling mistakes is one of the factors that clinicians can actually control. This workshop focuses on how effectively handling mistakes made by therapists and the mental health system can lead to better outcomes for clients.</p><h3>What should therapists do when they make a mistake?</h3><p>·       Looking at the humanity of the therapist</p><p>·       It is important to define what is actually a mistake</p><p>·       Looking at where mistakes can happen within treatment</p><p>·       Mistakes can be defined based on the definition of success</p><h3>What types of mistakes do therapists make in therapy?</h3><p>·       Incorrect or mismatched treatment without adjustment</p><p>·       Treatment failures happen for many different reasons – what is a mistake versus a work in progress?</p><p>·       Mistakes can be based on the individual client or therapist factors and the focus of the therapist in the therapeutic work and relationship</p><h3>When should therapists admit mistakes?</h3><p>·       Consideration of whether admitting the mistake will harm the client</p><p>·       Going beyond “non-malfeasance”</p><p>·       Exploring how clients like to handle a mistake</p><p>·       Paying attention to therapist’s own preferences or bias</p><p>·       Understanding when and how to take responsibility for what you’ve done as a therapist</p><p>·       Avoiding the impact on the client that they believe that they have made the mistake</p><p>·       Making sure therapists are resourced when they engage in this process</p><h3>What are the systemic errors in mental health treatment?</h3><p>·       Taking a global view to therapy can allow for seeing the other elements and systems</p><p>·       Recognizing the limits of what therapists can do to solve clients’ concerns, including due to agency policies</p><p>·       Harm caused by the profession and professional associations (statements made, research completed, etc.)</p><p><br></p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><p><a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Is BPD a Genuine Diagnosis or a Dismissive Label?</title>
      <description>Is BPD a Genuine Diagnosis or a Dismissive Label?
Curt and Katie chat about whether (or not) Borderline Personality Disorder is a useful diagnosis. We look at the difficulty in differential diagnosis, the huge overlaps with other diagnoses, and the harm caused by misdiagnosis and dismissal of these clients. We also explore whether BPD is just complex PTSD in disguise. We don’t come to total agreement, but we get a little bit closer on how we can move past the harmful elements of the BPD label. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore the diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder
After reading an article that suggests that there is no clinical utility to the BPD diagnosis, we decided to dig into whether or not BPD is a diagnosis worth using. We struggled to get this episode recorded as we started from a place of deep disagreement. We were able to get to a helpful conversation, we think.
Why is Borderline Personality Disorder controversial?
·       It is heterogeneous
·       There are a lot of rule outs and overlap with other diagnoses
·       There may not be clinical utility in using this diagnosis
·       There is bias and judgment related to having this diagnosis
·       There is a lot of harm from misdiagnosis
What are the problems and challenges in diagnosing “BPD?”
·       Overlap with autism, psychosis, complex or chronic trauma and others
·       Must look at the causes rather than solely the symptoms
·       The ongoing complexity of how trauma interacts with other elements of a person’s experience and personality make it hard to tease out what is really going on
How is Borderline Personality Disorder distinct from Chronic PTSD?
·       First you must understand the relationship between PTSD and Chronic or Complex PTSD
·       A theory is that Chronic PTSD has more relational avoidance than BPD
·       Another theory is that BPD has an absence of sense of self, which CPTSD does not
·       There is literature that shows that not all patients with BPD have trauma history
Should BPD remain as a recognized diagnosis in clinical practice?
·       We’re still not sure and don’t completely agree
·       At the very least, it needs to be renamed

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

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Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Is BPD a Genuine Diagnosis or a Dismissive Label?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Is BPD a Genuine Diagnosis or a Dismissive Label?
Curt and Katie chat about whether (or not) Borderline Personality Disorder is a useful diagnosis. We look at the difficulty in differential diagnosis, the huge overlaps with other diagnoses, and the harm caused by misdiagnosis and dismissal of these clients. We also explore whether BPD is just complex PTSD in disguise. We don’t come to total agreement, but we get a little bit closer on how we can move past the harmful elements of the BPD label. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore the diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder
After reading an article that suggests that there is no clinical utility to the BPD diagnosis, we decided to dig into whether or not BPD is a diagnosis worth using. We struggled to get this episode recorded as we started from a place of deep disagreement. We were able to get to a helpful conversation, we think.
Why is Borderline Personality Disorder controversial?
·       It is heterogeneous
·       There are a lot of rule outs and overlap with other diagnoses
·       There may not be clinical utility in using this diagnosis
·       There is bias and judgment related to having this diagnosis
·       There is a lot of harm from misdiagnosis
What are the problems and challenges in diagnosing “BPD?”
·       Overlap with autism, psychosis, complex or chronic trauma and others
·       Must look at the causes rather than solely the symptoms
·       The ongoing complexity of how trauma interacts with other elements of a person’s experience and personality make it hard to tease out what is really going on
How is Borderline Personality Disorder distinct from Chronic PTSD?
·       First you must understand the relationship between PTSD and Chronic or Complex PTSD
·       A theory is that Chronic PTSD has more relational avoidance than BPD
·       Another theory is that BPD has an absence of sense of self, which CPTSD does not
·       There is literature that shows that not all patients with BPD have trauma history
Should BPD remain as a recognized diagnosis in clinical practice?
·       We’re still not sure and don’t completely agree
·       At the very least, it needs to be renamed

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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      <title>Dealing with “Therapy Doesn’t Work”</title>
      <description>Dealing with “Therapy Doesn’t Work”
Curt and Katie chat how to engage with people who doubt the efficacy of therapy. We look at how to address general skeptics, mandated clients, hesitant prospective clients, and uncertain longer-standing clients. Spoiler alert: validation, understanding, and coming back to the relationship go far.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore how to talk with folks who don’t believe in therapy
In response to a Reddit thread asking how therapists can respond when someone says they don’t believe in therapy or that therapy doesn’t work.
How can therapists respond when someone says, “therapy doesn’t work?”
·      Therapy is not for everyone
·      Validating concerns
·      Work to understand their previous experiences in therapy
·      Acknowledge problematic elements in therapy
How do you approach clients who are mandated or forced into treatment?
·      Working with resistance
·      Going back to the relationship and shared goals
·      Meeting client where they are
What can therapists do when parents don’t believe in therapy for their kid?
·      Understanding fear or concerns
·      Joining and building rapport
·      Exploring their goals for their child
·      Seeking engagement and involvement
·      Don’t throw evidence-base at them
·      Explaining how therapy works for kids
·      Avoiding defensiveness on the part of the therapist
How can you explain therapy to a hesitant client considering therapy for the first time?
·      Validation of fears and concerns
·      Acknowledging challenges in coming into therapy
·      Identifying what would be most helpful to address in therapy
·      Trying to break through preconceived worries about it not working
·      Exploring how to find a good match
·      Describing what therapy can look like
·      Explain that therapy might not be the only answer (e.g., coaching, social work, meds, etc.)
The importance of being able to describe what therapy is like with you
·      Curt’s suggestion of having a casual conversation with a colleague to describe what your therapy look like
·      Know how to describe your approach to people who don’t know what therapy is
·      Not every client is best for you
·      Focusing on the relationship you will provide to the client
What are the options for talking with long term clients who are doubting therapy?
·      Use the concerns clinically
·      Validating concerns
·      Coming together related to expectations and goals
·      Acknowledging when therapy isn’t working
·      Reframing incremental progress
·      Therapists seeking consultation and supervision, so these conversations don’t feel painful

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Dealing with “Therapy Doesn’t Work”</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat how to engage with people who doubt the efficacy of therapy. We look at how to address general skeptics, mandated clients, hesitant prospective clients, and uncertain longer-standing clients. Spoiler alert: validation, understanding, and coming back to the relationship go far. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Dealing with “Therapy Doesn’t Work”
Curt and Katie chat how to engage with people who doubt the efficacy of therapy. We look at how to address general skeptics, mandated clients, hesitant prospective clients, and uncertain longer-standing clients. Spoiler alert: validation, understanding, and coming back to the relationship go far.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore how to talk with folks who don’t believe in therapy
In response to a Reddit thread asking how therapists can respond when someone says they don’t believe in therapy or that therapy doesn’t work.
How can therapists respond when someone says, “therapy doesn’t work?”
·      Therapy is not for everyone
·      Validating concerns
·      Work to understand their previous experiences in therapy
·      Acknowledge problematic elements in therapy
How do you approach clients who are mandated or forced into treatment?
·      Working with resistance
·      Going back to the relationship and shared goals
·      Meeting client where they are
What can therapists do when parents don’t believe in therapy for their kid?
·      Understanding fear or concerns
·      Joining and building rapport
·      Exploring their goals for their child
·      Seeking engagement and involvement
·      Don’t throw evidence-base at them
·      Explaining how therapy works for kids
·      Avoiding defensiveness on the part of the therapist
How can you explain therapy to a hesitant client considering therapy for the first time?
·      Validation of fears and concerns
·      Acknowledging challenges in coming into therapy
·      Identifying what would be most helpful to address in therapy
·      Trying to break through preconceived worries about it not working
·      Exploring how to find a good match
·      Describing what therapy can look like
·      Explain that therapy might not be the only answer (e.g., coaching, social work, meds, etc.)
The importance of being able to describe what therapy is like with you
·      Curt’s suggestion of having a casual conversation with a colleague to describe what your therapy look like
·      Know how to describe your approach to people who don’t know what therapy is
·      Not every client is best for you
·      Focusing on the relationship you will provide to the client
What are the options for talking with long term clients who are doubting therapy?
·      Use the concerns clinically
·      Validating concerns
·      Coming together related to expectations and goals
·      Acknowledging when therapy isn’t working
·      Reframing incremental progress
·      Therapists seeking consultation and supervision, so these conversations don’t feel painful

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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        <![CDATA[<h1>Dealing with “Therapy Doesn’t Work”</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat how to engage with people who doubt the efficacy of therapy. We look at how to address general skeptics, mandated clients, hesitant prospective clients, and uncertain longer-standing clients. Spoiler alert: validation, understanding, and coming back to the relationship go far.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we explore how to talk with folks who don’t believe in therapy</h2><p>In response to a Reddit thread asking how therapists can respond when someone says they don’t believe in therapy or that therapy doesn’t work.</p><h3>How can therapists respond when someone says, “therapy doesn’t work?”</h3><p>·      Therapy is not for everyone</p><p>·      Validating concerns</p><p>·      Work to understand their previous experiences in therapy</p><p>·      Acknowledge problematic elements in therapy</p><h3>How do you approach clients who are mandated or forced into treatment?</h3><p>·      Working with resistance</p><p>·      Going back to the relationship and shared goals</p><p>·      Meeting client where they are</p><h3>What can therapists do when parents don’t believe in therapy for their kid?</h3><p>·      Understanding fear or concerns</p><p>·      Joining and building rapport</p><p>·      Exploring their goals for their child</p><p>·      Seeking engagement and involvement</p><p>·      Don’t throw evidence-base at them</p><p>·      Explaining how therapy works for kids</p><p>·      Avoiding defensiveness on the part of the therapist</p><h3>How can you explain therapy to a hesitant client considering therapy for the first time?</h3><p>·      Validation of fears and concerns</p><p>·      Acknowledging challenges in coming into therapy</p><p>·      Identifying what would be most helpful to address in therapy</p><p>·      Trying to break through preconceived worries about it not working</p><p>·      Exploring how to find a good match</p><p>·      Describing what therapy can look like</p><p>·      Explain that therapy might not be the only answer (e.g., coaching, social work, meds, etc.)</p><h3>The importance of being able to describe what therapy is like with you</h3><p>·      Curt’s suggestion of having a casual conversation with a colleague to describe what your therapy look like</p><p>·      Know how to describe your approach to people who don’t know what therapy is</p><p>·      Not every client is best for you</p><p>·      Focusing on the relationship you will provide to the client</p><h3>What are the options for talking with long term clients who are doubting therapy?</h3><p>·      Use the concerns clinically</p><p>·      Validating concerns</p><p>·      Coming together related to expectations and goals</p><p>·      Acknowledging when therapy isn’t working</p><p>·      Reframing incremental progress</p><p>·      Therapists seeking consultation and supervision, so these conversations don’t feel painful</p><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Is Your Therapist Website ADA Compliant? An Interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT</title>
      <description>Is Your Therapist Website ADA Compliant? An Interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Anita Avedian, LMFT about her recent experiences related to an ADA complaint on her website. Anita shares with us how she has navigated this lawsuit and what she’s learned about ADA Compliance for websites. We also talk about the predatory lawsuits on small businesses in California and the benefits of becoming ADA compliant for therapists.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at what therapists should know about ADA compliant websites
Our friend, Anita Avedian, LMFT, just went through a legal complaint related to her website. It was found to not be ADA compliant, meaning that she had to pay some fines and update her website. She wanted to share what she learned, so we thought – let’s bring this conversation to the podcast! 
What is needed for a website to be ADA compliant?
·      Images have to have alt text
·      Videos have to have closed captioned at 95% accurate
·      Videos need both closed captions and transcripts
·      Contrast colors need to be far enough apart for visibility
·      Appropriate font sizes
·      Buttons and navigation system have to be ADA compliant
·      You cannot have PDFs on your website, you must have documents
·      When you are cited, you have to make corrections and keep it up
What goes into an ADA compliance lawsuit against a website (including therapist websites)?
·      There are predatory lawyers who are seeking out noncompliance to open lawsuits with small businesses
·      There are thousands of lawsuits
·      Your liability insurance doesn’t cover these claims because it is considered discriminatory
·      Oftentimes you don’t know that you’re being sued
·      There is not an opportunity to make corrections, you are fined and must make corrections immediately
·      There is usually oversight and monitoring for 5 years
How can therapists make their websites more accessible?
·      Accurate transcripts and closed captioning for videos
·      Making sure that you are at least 95% compliant by doing a free scan
·      Using some of the resources listed in the show notes on our website at mtsgpodcast.com (in the resources section)
·      Having a deep scan to identify how close you are to compliance
·      Making sure that your web developers know how to make your website ADA compliant
·      There are attorneys to help with this process and can provide training on how to make a website ADA compliant
·      Side benefits of improved SEO and Google standing
·      There isn’t currently a widget to make your website ADA compliant and website themes and templates do not have these requirements built in structurally

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Is Your Therapist Website ADA Compliant? An Interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Anita Avedian, LMFT about her recent experiences related to an ADA complaint on her website. Anita shares with us how she has navigated this lawsuit and what she’s learned about ADA Compliance for websites.  We also talk about the predatory lawsuits on small businesses in California and the benefits of becoming ADA compliant for therapists. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is Your Therapist Website ADA Compliant? An Interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Anita Avedian, LMFT about her recent experiences related to an ADA complaint on her website. Anita shares with us how she has navigated this lawsuit and what she’s learned about ADA Compliance for websites. We also talk about the predatory lawsuits on small businesses in California and the benefits of becoming ADA compliant for therapists.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at what therapists should know about ADA compliant websites
Our friend, Anita Avedian, LMFT, just went through a legal complaint related to her website. It was found to not be ADA compliant, meaning that she had to pay some fines and update her website. She wanted to share what she learned, so we thought – let’s bring this conversation to the podcast! 
What is needed for a website to be ADA compliant?
·      Images have to have alt text
·      Videos have to have closed captioned at 95% accurate
·      Videos need both closed captions and transcripts
·      Contrast colors need to be far enough apart for visibility
·      Appropriate font sizes
·      Buttons and navigation system have to be ADA compliant
·      You cannot have PDFs on your website, you must have documents
·      When you are cited, you have to make corrections and keep it up
What goes into an ADA compliance lawsuit against a website (including therapist websites)?
·      There are predatory lawyers who are seeking out noncompliance to open lawsuits with small businesses
·      There are thousands of lawsuits
·      Your liability insurance doesn’t cover these claims because it is considered discriminatory
·      Oftentimes you don’t know that you’re being sued
·      There is not an opportunity to make corrections, you are fined and must make corrections immediately
·      There is usually oversight and monitoring for 5 years
How can therapists make their websites more accessible?
·      Accurate transcripts and closed captioning for videos
·      Making sure that you are at least 95% compliant by doing a free scan
·      Using some of the resources listed in the show notes on our website at mtsgpodcast.com (in the resources section)
·      Having a deep scan to identify how close you are to compliance
·      Making sure that your web developers know how to make your website ADA compliant
·      There are attorneys to help with this process and can provide training on how to make a website ADA compliant
·      Side benefits of improved SEO and Google standing
·      There isn’t currently a widget to make your website ADA compliant and website themes and templates do not have these requirements built in structurally

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Is Your Therapist Website ADA Compliant? An Interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Anita Avedian, LMFT about her recent experiences related to an ADA complaint on her website. Anita shares with us how she has navigated this lawsuit and what she’s learned about ADA Compliance for websites. We also talk about the predatory lawsuits on small businesses in California and the benefits of becoming ADA compliant for therapists.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we look at what therapists should know about ADA compliant websites</h2><p>Our friend, Anita Avedian, LMFT, just went through a legal complaint related to her website. It was found to not be ADA compliant, meaning that she had to pay some fines and update her website. She wanted to share what she learned, so we thought – let’s bring this conversation to the podcast! </p><h3>What is needed for a website to be ADA compliant?</h3><p>·      Images have to have alt text</p><p>·      Videos have to have closed captioned at 95% accurate</p><p>·      Videos need both closed captions and transcripts</p><p>·      Contrast colors need to be far enough apart for visibility</p><p>·      Appropriate font sizes</p><p>·      Buttons and navigation system have to be ADA compliant</p><p>·      You cannot have PDFs on your website, you must have documents</p><p>·      When you are cited, you have to make corrections and keep it up</p><h3>What goes into an ADA compliance lawsuit against a website (including therapist websites)?</h3><p>·      There are predatory lawyers who are seeking out noncompliance to open lawsuits with small businesses</p><p>·      There are thousands of lawsuits</p><p>·      Your liability insurance doesn’t cover these claims because it is considered discriminatory</p><p>·      Oftentimes you don’t know that you’re being sued</p><p>·      There is not an opportunity to make corrections, you are fined and must make corrections immediately</p><p>·      There is usually oversight and monitoring for 5 years</p><h3>How can therapists make their websites more accessible?</h3><p>·      Accurate transcripts and closed captioning for videos</p><p>·      Making sure that you are at least 95% compliant by doing a free scan</p><p>·      Using some of the resources listed in the show notes on our website at mtsgpodcast.com (in the resources section)</p><p>·      Having a deep scan to identify how close you are to compliance</p><p>·      Making sure that your web developers know how to make your website ADA compliant</p><p>·      There are attorneys to help with this process and can provide training on how to make a website ADA compliant</p><p>·      Side benefits of improved SEO and Google standing</p><p>·      There isn’t currently a widget to make your website ADA compliant and website themes and templates do not have these requirements built in structurally</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>We Answer the Question: Is EMDR a Pyramid Scheme?</title>
      <description>We Answer the Question: Is EMDR a Pyramid Scheme?
Curt and Katie chat about an episode of Very Bad Therapy that asks the question, Is EMDR a Cultish Pyramid Scheme. This is our response to that question. We talk about what EMDR is, common misconceptions of the model, the concerns with people doing EMDR poorly, and the benefits of this model. We also talk about clinician factors that impact whether someone can do EMDR well. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore EMDR
We decided to respond to an episode of Very Bad Therapy. Curt is an EMDR clinician and consultant in training, so he wanted to respond to the criticisms of EMDR that were brought forward in that episode as well as a related article in The Therapist magazine.
What is EMDR?
·      Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing
·      The mechanism of action is hard to study due to not being able to cut open the brain
·      EMDR is a well-defined 8-stage protocol
·      The “greatest hits” of other theories put together
What are the misconceptions related to EMDR?
·      “It’s expensive,” but the training (which is intensive and comprehensive) breaks down to $35 per CE – a usual and customary rate for continuing education
·      There is an argument that the only things that are different from other theories are the eye movements or bilateral stimulation, but it is more of an integrative model
·      “EMDR” is manualized and only taught in one way – which is not true. There are a number of stages in the protocol that are taught very differently and there is more nuance
·      The criticisms about EMDR may be related to clinician factors, not necessarily model factors
What are the concerns with people doing EMDR poorly?
·      Only getting the EMDR certification to be marketable
·      Not doing EMDR soon enough and forgetting the model
·      Lack of confidence that leads them to revert back to theories they are comfortable with
·      Not fully learning the theory and trying to use it outside of the model
·      Clinicians with less training or less experience may struggle to adapt the model to complex trauma or relational trauma
What are the benefits of EMDR?
·      Intensive training with deliberate practice being built into the certification
·      Consultation and support in learning the model
·      Strong research base for single incident trauma
·      For stronger or more experienced clinicians, there are uses of EMDR for complex trauma and/or transdiagnostic purposes

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>We Answer the Question: Is EMDR a Pyramid Scheme?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about an episode of Very Bad Therapy that asks the question, Is EMDR a Cultish Pyramid Scheme. This is our response to that question. We talk about what EMDR is, common misconceptions of the model, the concerns with people doing EMDR poorly, and the benefits of this model. We also talk about clinician factors that impact whether someone can do EMDR well. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>We Answer the Question: Is EMDR a Pyramid Scheme?
Curt and Katie chat about an episode of Very Bad Therapy that asks the question, Is EMDR a Cultish Pyramid Scheme. This is our response to that question. We talk about what EMDR is, common misconceptions of the model, the concerns with people doing EMDR poorly, and the benefits of this model. We also talk about clinician factors that impact whether someone can do EMDR well. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore EMDR
We decided to respond to an episode of Very Bad Therapy. Curt is an EMDR clinician and consultant in training, so he wanted to respond to the criticisms of EMDR that were brought forward in that episode as well as a related article in The Therapist magazine.
What is EMDR?
·      Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing
·      The mechanism of action is hard to study due to not being able to cut open the brain
·      EMDR is a well-defined 8-stage protocol
·      The “greatest hits” of other theories put together
What are the misconceptions related to EMDR?
·      “It’s expensive,” but the training (which is intensive and comprehensive) breaks down to $35 per CE – a usual and customary rate for continuing education
·      There is an argument that the only things that are different from other theories are the eye movements or bilateral stimulation, but it is more of an integrative model
·      “EMDR” is manualized and only taught in one way – which is not true. There are a number of stages in the protocol that are taught very differently and there is more nuance
·      The criticisms about EMDR may be related to clinician factors, not necessarily model factors
What are the concerns with people doing EMDR poorly?
·      Only getting the EMDR certification to be marketable
·      Not doing EMDR soon enough and forgetting the model
·      Lack of confidence that leads them to revert back to theories they are comfortable with
·      Not fully learning the theory and trying to use it outside of the model
·      Clinicians with less training or less experience may struggle to adapt the model to complex trauma or relational trauma
What are the benefits of EMDR?
·      Intensive training with deliberate practice being built into the certification
·      Consultation and support in learning the model
·      Strong research base for single incident trauma
·      For stronger or more experienced clinicians, there are uses of EMDR for complex trauma and/or transdiagnostic purposes

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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        <![CDATA[<h1>We Answer the Question: Is EMDR a Pyramid Scheme?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about an episode of Very Bad Therapy that asks the question, Is EMDR a Cultish Pyramid Scheme. This is our response to that question. We talk about what EMDR is, common misconceptions of the model, the concerns with people doing EMDR poorly, and the benefits of this model. We also talk about clinician factors that impact whether someone can do EMDR well. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we explore EMDR</h2><p>We decided to respond to an episode of Very Bad Therapy. Curt is an EMDR clinician and consultant in training, so he wanted to respond to the criticisms of EMDR that were brought forward in that episode as well as a related article in The Therapist magazine.</p><h3>What is EMDR?</h3><p>·      Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing</p><p>·      The mechanism of action is hard to study due to not being able to cut open the brain</p><p>·      EMDR is a well-defined 8-stage protocol</p><p>·      The “greatest hits” of other theories put together</p><h3>What are the misconceptions related to EMDR?</h3><p>·      “It’s expensive,” but the training (which is intensive and comprehensive) breaks down to $35 per CE – a usual and customary rate for continuing education</p><p>·      There is an argument that the only things that are different from other theories are the eye movements or bilateral stimulation, but it is more of an integrative model</p><p>·      “EMDR” is manualized and only taught in one way – which is not true. There are a number of stages in the protocol that are taught very differently and there is more nuance</p><p>·      The criticisms about EMDR may be related to clinician factors, not necessarily model factors</p><h3>What are the concerns with people doing EMDR poorly?</h3><p>·      Only getting the EMDR certification to be marketable</p><p>·      Not doing EMDR soon enough and forgetting the model</p><p>·      Lack of confidence that leads them to revert back to theories they are comfortable with</p><p>·      Not fully learning the theory and trying to use it outside of the model</p><p>·      Clinicians with less training or less experience may struggle to adapt the model to complex trauma or relational trauma</p><h3>What are the benefits of EMDR?</h3><p>·      Intensive training with deliberate practice being built into the certification</p><p>·      Consultation and support in learning the model</p><p>·      Strong research base for single incident trauma</p><p>·      For stronger or more experienced clinicians, there are uses of EMDR for complex trauma and/or transdiagnostic purposes</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Your Modern Therapist Ethics Questions Answered: Digging into the mail bag to identify how to behave ethically in modern times</title>
      <description>Your Modern Therapist Ethics Questions Answered: Digging into the mail bag to identify how to behave ethically in modern times
Curt and Katie discuss tricky ethics questions we’ve received from listeners and colleagues over the years. We look at dual relationships, documentation, therapists in the public eye, fee setting, and when (and whether) we should report each other to the board. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we answer complex ethics questions from modern therapists
Too often in groups of therapists, you’ll hear confusing situations being described as “unethical” or illegal without any other explanations. Big feelings about complex situations often lead to therapists avoiding them all together. We dug into our listener mail bag (and gathered our own questions) to sort through more complicated and modern questions that don’t often get talked about in grad school or ethics courses. We discuss dual relationships, documentation, therapist performers and influencers, fee-setting, and our responsibility to correct each other. We look at ethics codes and the philosophy behind ethical decision-making to sort through complex situations.
What do therapist ethical codes say around less typical dual relationships?
·       Ethical codes do vary, so it is important to look at your own code
·       We must avoid harmful dual relationships
·       It is important to address foreseeable concerns
·       Concerns related to muddying the mechanism of change (the relationship)
What is actually required in therapist documentation?
·       Electronic documentation is recommended, but probably not required
·       We need to accurately reflect what is happening in therapy
·       Diagnosis may not be required if you’re not using insurance and don’t need to prove medical necessity
How can therapists show up in public spaces?
·       Therapists can have public personas and will need to navigate how what is public may impact the therapeutic relationship
·       Therapists can be influencers – you want to make sure you’re aware of how it is impacting your brand and relationships with your clients
·       How you interact with your clients around your public persona becomes very context dependent
What are the special rules for therapists setting fees?
·       You have to come to an agreement with your client on your fee before services start
·       Looking at sliding scale, pro bono expectations
·       There are so many interpretations on what is expected by your ethics
·       We cannot take advantage of clients
What is a therapist’s responsibility when they believe another therapist has done something wrong?
·       There is a strong recommendation in most ethics codes to go to the other therapist first
·       It is difficult to get proof and/or get actual records and be able to release them
·       There are potentials for confidentiality breaches if therapists move forward with concerns
·       Supporting clients to report concerns if it comes up in session
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
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Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Your Modern Therapist Ethics Questions Answered: Mail Bag!</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie discuss tricky ethics questions we’ve received from listeners and colleagues over the years. We look at dual relationships, documentation, therapists in the public eye, fee setting, and when (and whether) we should report each other to the board. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Your Modern Therapist Ethics Questions Answered: Digging into the mail bag to identify how to behave ethically in modern times
Curt and Katie discuss tricky ethics questions we’ve received from listeners and colleagues over the years. We look at dual relationships, documentation, therapists in the public eye, fee setting, and when (and whether) we should report each other to the board. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we answer complex ethics questions from modern therapists
Too often in groups of therapists, you’ll hear confusing situations being described as “unethical” or illegal without any other explanations. Big feelings about complex situations often lead to therapists avoiding them all together. We dug into our listener mail bag (and gathered our own questions) to sort through more complicated and modern questions that don’t often get talked about in grad school or ethics courses. We discuss dual relationships, documentation, therapist performers and influencers, fee-setting, and our responsibility to correct each other. We look at ethics codes and the philosophy behind ethical decision-making to sort through complex situations.
What do therapist ethical codes say around less typical dual relationships?
·       Ethical codes do vary, so it is important to look at your own code
·       We must avoid harmful dual relationships
·       It is important to address foreseeable concerns
·       Concerns related to muddying the mechanism of change (the relationship)
What is actually required in therapist documentation?
·       Electronic documentation is recommended, but probably not required
·       We need to accurately reflect what is happening in therapy
·       Diagnosis may not be required if you’re not using insurance and don’t need to prove medical necessity
How can therapists show up in public spaces?
·       Therapists can have public personas and will need to navigate how what is public may impact the therapeutic relationship
·       Therapists can be influencers – you want to make sure you’re aware of how it is impacting your brand and relationships with your clients
·       How you interact with your clients around your public persona becomes very context dependent
What are the special rules for therapists setting fees?
·       You have to come to an agreement with your client on your fee before services start
·       Looking at sliding scale, pro bono expectations
·       There are so many interpretations on what is expected by your ethics
·       We cannot take advantage of clients
What is a therapist’s responsibility when they believe another therapist has done something wrong?
·       There is a strong recommendation in most ethics codes to go to the other therapist first
·       It is difficult to get proof and/or get actual records and be able to release them
·       There are potentials for confidentiality breaches if therapists move forward with concerns
·       Supporting clients to report concerns if it comes up in session
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Your Modern Therapist Ethics Questions Answered: Digging into the mail bag to identify how to behave ethically in modern times</h1><p>Curt and Katie discuss tricky ethics questions we’ve received from listeners and colleagues over the years. We look at dual relationships, documentation, therapists in the public eye, fee setting, and when (and whether) we should report each other to the board. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we answer complex ethics questions from modern therapists</h2><p>Too often in groups of therapists, you’ll hear confusing situations being described as “unethical” or illegal without any other explanations. Big feelings about complex situations often lead to therapists avoiding them all together. We dug into our listener mail bag (and gathered our own questions) to sort through more complicated and modern questions that don’t often get talked about in grad school or ethics courses. We discuss dual relationships, documentation, therapist performers and influencers, fee-setting, and our responsibility to correct each other. We look at ethics codes and the philosophy behind ethical decision-making to sort through complex situations.</p><h3>What do therapist ethical codes say around less typical dual relationships?</h3><p>·       Ethical codes do vary, so it is important to look at your own code</p><p>·       We must avoid harmful dual relationships</p><p>·       It is important to address foreseeable concerns</p><p>·       Concerns related to muddying the mechanism of change (the relationship)</p><h3>What is actually required in therapist documentation?</h3><p>·       Electronic documentation is recommended, but probably not required</p><p>·       We need to accurately reflect what is happening in therapy</p><p>·       Diagnosis may not be required if you’re not using insurance and don’t need to prove medical necessity</p><h3>How can therapists show up in public spaces?</h3><p>·       Therapists can have public personas and will need to navigate how what is public may impact the therapeutic relationship</p><p>·       Therapists can be influencers – you want to make sure you’re aware of how it is impacting your brand and relationships with your clients</p><p>·       How you interact with your clients around your public persona becomes very context dependent</p><h3>What are the special rules for therapists setting fees?</h3><p>·       You have to come to an agreement with your client on your fee before services start</p><p>·       Looking at sliding scale, pro bono expectations</p><p>·       There are so many interpretations on what is expected by your ethics</p><p>·       We cannot take advantage of clients</p><h3>What is a therapist’s responsibility when they believe another therapist has done something wrong?</h3><p>·       There is a strong recommendation in most ethics codes to go to the other therapist first</p><p>·       It is difficult to get proof and/or get actual records and be able to release them</p><p>·       There are potentials for confidentiality breaches if therapists move forward with concerns</p><p>·       Supporting clients to report concerns if it comes up in session</p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><p>You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a></p><h3>Continuing Education Approvals: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</h3><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Family Therapy: Not Just for Kids - An Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT</title>
      <description>Family Therapy: Not Just for Kids - An Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT about the tendency of therapists (even Marriage and Family Therapists) to avoid working with couples and families. We talk about the challenges in working with groups rather than individuals, how to identify the most appropriate treatment unit, and the benefits of working with adult families. We also discuss the importance of assessing power, privilege, intersectionality, and global context when working with both individuals and families.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at relationship therapy
Our friend, Adriana Rodriguez is returning to the podcast to talk about therapy for relationships, including couples and adult families.
Why do therapists avoid working with families and only work with individuals? 
·      There seems to be an aversion to working with groups rather than individuals
·      Avoiding overstimulation and conflict
·      Concerns about a lack of training
·      Not seeing adult family therapy as a typical treatment unit
·      Insurance and the medical model suggest that treatment is for an individual
·      Individualistic society of western culture
How can a therapist identify the most appropriate treatment unit?
·      Making sure to recognize that everyone has people that impact them
·      Working to identify the context and root causes of current concerns
·      Gathering the people around for accountability and vicarious healing
·      Identifying intergenerational transmission of trauma and of gifts
What can therapists do to support their clients most effectively?
·      Understanding the systems within which clients move
·      Looking at privilege, power, marginalization, and intersectionality
·      Understanding what is typically missed in treatment: that the system needs to be addressed before change can really occur
·      Looking for opportunities to engage family members in treatment
How can therapists better understand adult families?
·      Move away from compartmentalizing couples or family work
·      More in-depth genograms, with more context and self-reflection
·      Looking at how we interact with our clients and how we interact with the systems
·      Eco-map – the context around the client
·      Timeline – historic events happening during your client’s life around them
·      Incorporating accountability and compassion
·      Increasing understanding and compassion before inviting in the family members into session
·      Recognizing that many cultures have a strong focus and value related to family and honoring that in their healing process
·      Helping families and couples come together as “team” members rather than opponents

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Family Therapy: Not Just for Kids - An Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT about the tendency of therapists (even Marriage and Family Therapists) to avoid working with couples and families. We talk about the challenges in working with groups rather than individuals, how to identify the most appropriate treatment unit, and the benefits of working with adult families. We also discuss the importance of assessing power, privilege, intersectionality, and global context when working with both individuals and families. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Family Therapy: Not Just for Kids - An Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT about the tendency of therapists (even Marriage and Family Therapists) to avoid working with couples and families. We talk about the challenges in working with groups rather than individuals, how to identify the most appropriate treatment unit, and the benefits of working with adult families. We also discuss the importance of assessing power, privilege, intersectionality, and global context when working with both individuals and families.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at relationship therapy
Our friend, Adriana Rodriguez is returning to the podcast to talk about therapy for relationships, including couples and adult families.
Why do therapists avoid working with families and only work with individuals? 
·      There seems to be an aversion to working with groups rather than individuals
·      Avoiding overstimulation and conflict
·      Concerns about a lack of training
·      Not seeing adult family therapy as a typical treatment unit
·      Insurance and the medical model suggest that treatment is for an individual
·      Individualistic society of western culture
How can a therapist identify the most appropriate treatment unit?
·      Making sure to recognize that everyone has people that impact them
·      Working to identify the context and root causes of current concerns
·      Gathering the people around for accountability and vicarious healing
·      Identifying intergenerational transmission of trauma and of gifts
What can therapists do to support their clients most effectively?
·      Understanding the systems within which clients move
·      Looking at privilege, power, marginalization, and intersectionality
·      Understanding what is typically missed in treatment: that the system needs to be addressed before change can really occur
·      Looking for opportunities to engage family members in treatment
How can therapists better understand adult families?
·      Move away from compartmentalizing couples or family work
·      More in-depth genograms, with more context and self-reflection
·      Looking at how we interact with our clients and how we interact with the systems
·      Eco-map – the context around the client
·      Timeline – historic events happening during your client’s life around them
·      Incorporating accountability and compassion
·      Increasing understanding and compassion before inviting in the family members into session
·      Recognizing that many cultures have a strong focus and value related to family and honoring that in their healing process
·      Helping families and couples come together as “team” members rather than opponents

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Family Therapy: Not Just for Kids - An Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT about the tendency of therapists (even Marriage and Family Therapists) to avoid working with couples and families. We talk about the challenges in working with groups rather than individuals, how to identify the most appropriate treatment unit, and the benefits of working with adult families. We also discuss the importance of assessing power, privilege, intersectionality, and global context when working with both individuals and families.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we look at relationship therapy</h2><p>Our friend, Adriana Rodriguez is returning to the podcast to talk about therapy for relationships, including couples and adult families.</p><h3>Why do therapists avoid working with families and only work with individuals? </h3><p>·      There seems to be an aversion to working with groups rather than individuals</p><p>·      Avoiding overstimulation and conflict</p><p>·      Concerns about a lack of training</p><p>·      Not seeing adult family therapy as a typical treatment unit</p><p>·      Insurance and the medical model suggest that treatment is for an individual</p><p>·      Individualistic society of western culture</p><h3>How can a therapist identify the most appropriate treatment unit?</h3><p>·      Making sure to recognize that everyone has people that impact them</p><p>·      Working to identify the context and root causes of current concerns</p><p>·      Gathering the people around for accountability and vicarious healing</p><p>·      Identifying intergenerational transmission of trauma and of gifts</p><h3>What can therapists do to support their clients most effectively?</h3><p>·      Understanding the systems within which clients move</p><p>·      Looking at privilege, power, marginalization, and intersectionality</p><p>·      Understanding what is typically missed in treatment: that the system needs to be addressed before change can really occur</p><p>·      Looking for opportunities to engage family members in treatment</p><h3>How can therapists better understand adult families?</h3><p>·      Move away from compartmentalizing couples or family work</p><p>·      More in-depth genograms, with more context and self-reflection</p><p>·      Looking at how we interact with our clients and how we interact with the systems</p><p>·      Eco-map – the context around the client</p><p>·      Timeline – historic events happening during your client’s life around them</p><p>·      Incorporating accountability and compassion</p><p>·      Increasing understanding and compassion before inviting in the family members into session</p><p>·      Recognizing that many cultures have a strong focus and value related to family and honoring that in their healing process</p><p>·      Helping families and couples come together as “team” members rather than opponents</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast/">Podcast Homepage</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Modern Therapist Reflections on Preventing a School Shooting</title>
      <description>Modern Therapist Reflections on Preventing a School Shooting
Curt and Katie chat about an incident within Curt’s practice. We look at how therapists are called upon to make challenging risk assessments. We look at threat to other assessments including threats of serious violence. We explore the therapist’s experience during these intense risk assessments and the tasks that follow. We identify action steps for trauma informed support.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore a therapist’s role in preventing a school shooting
Recently, Curt was called upon to make an intense risk assessment that required administrative steps to prevent threats of violence. We thought it would be helpful for other modern therapists to understand the experience from a therapist’s perspective, so we can support each other and get the support we need.
What is involved for therapists to complete risk assessments for threats to self and others, including threats of serious violence?
·      Both harm to self and others assessments are indicated
·      How to determine whether a homicide assessment is appropriate
·      Calming the situation, decreasing dysregulation
·      Understanding plans and current thought processes
·      Going through the protocol related to duty to warn, including calling law enforcement and the school
What is the experience of a therapist during and after an intense risk assessment?
·      Deep mindfulness
·      Goal driven conversation (toward safety planning)
·      Frustration and overwhelm related to required reporting to law enforcement
·      Having to switch gears for the next session
·      Potential rupture and loss of client
·      Trauma response, anger, frustration
What kind of support is important for therapists when they have responded to threats of a school shooting?
·      The question of “how are you doing” is less effective in these crisis situations than “what are you going through?”
·      Using a trauma informed approach to provide adequate, planned support
·      The tendency of therapists to compartmentalize that requires more attention from colleagues than others facing these types of crisis situations
·      Plans and best practices for managing these types of incidents
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Modern Therapist Reflections on Preventing a School Shooting</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about an incident within Curt’s practice. We look at how therapists are called upon to make challenging risk assessments. We look at threat to other assessments including threats of serious violence. We explore the therapist’s experience during these intense risk assessments and the tasks that follow. We identify action steps for trauma informed support.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Modern Therapist Reflections on Preventing a School Shooting
Curt and Katie chat about an incident within Curt’s practice. We look at how therapists are called upon to make challenging risk assessments. We look at threat to other assessments including threats of serious violence. We explore the therapist’s experience during these intense risk assessments and the tasks that follow. We identify action steps for trauma informed support.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore a therapist’s role in preventing a school shooting
Recently, Curt was called upon to make an intense risk assessment that required administrative steps to prevent threats of violence. We thought it would be helpful for other modern therapists to understand the experience from a therapist’s perspective, so we can support each other and get the support we need.
What is involved for therapists to complete risk assessments for threats to self and others, including threats of serious violence?
·      Both harm to self and others assessments are indicated
·      How to determine whether a homicide assessment is appropriate
·      Calming the situation, decreasing dysregulation
·      Understanding plans and current thought processes
·      Going through the protocol related to duty to warn, including calling law enforcement and the school
What is the experience of a therapist during and after an intense risk assessment?
·      Deep mindfulness
·      Goal driven conversation (toward safety planning)
·      Frustration and overwhelm related to required reporting to law enforcement
·      Having to switch gears for the next session
·      Potential rupture and loss of client
·      Trauma response, anger, frustration
What kind of support is important for therapists when they have responded to threats of a school shooting?
·      The question of “how are you doing” is less effective in these crisis situations than “what are you going through?”
·      Using a trauma informed approach to provide adequate, planned support
·      The tendency of therapists to compartmentalize that requires more attention from colleagues than others facing these types of crisis situations
·      Plans and best practices for managing these types of incidents
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Modern Therapist Reflections on Preventing a School Shooting</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about an incident within Curt’s practice. We look at how therapists are called upon to make challenging risk assessments. We look at threat to other assessments including threats of serious violence. We explore the therapist’s experience during these intense risk assessments and the tasks that follow. We identify action steps for trauma informed support.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we explore a therapist’s role in preventing a school shooting</h2><p>Recently, Curt was called upon to make an intense risk assessment that required administrative steps to prevent threats of violence. We thought it would be helpful for other modern therapists to understand the experience from a therapist’s perspective, so we can support each other and get the support we need.</p><h3>What is involved for therapists to complete risk assessments for threats to self and others, including threats of serious violence?</h3><p>·      Both harm to self and others assessments are indicated</p><p>·      How to determine whether a homicide assessment is appropriate</p><p>·      Calming the situation, decreasing dysregulation</p><p>·      Understanding plans and current thought processes</p><p>·      Going through the protocol related to duty to warn, including calling law enforcement and the school</p><h3>What is the experience of a therapist during and after an intense risk assessment?</h3><p>·      Deep mindfulness</p><p>·      Goal driven conversation (toward safety planning)</p><p>·      Frustration and overwhelm related to required reporting to law enforcement</p><p>·      Having to switch gears for the next session</p><p>·      Potential rupture and loss of client</p><p>·      Trauma response, anger, frustration</p><h3>What kind of support is important for therapists when they have responded to threats of a school shooting?</h3><p>·      The question of “how are you doing” is less effective in these crisis situations than “what are you going through?”</p><p>·      Using a trauma informed approach to provide adequate, planned support</p><p>·      The tendency of therapists to compartmentalize that requires more attention from colleagues than others facing these types of crisis situations</p><p>·      Plans and best practices for managing these types of incidents</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast/">Podcast Homepage</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Why Do Therapists Feel They NEED to be Coaches? An Interview with Jo Muirhead</title>
      <description>Why Do Therapists Feel They NEED to be Coaches? An Interview with Jo Muirhead
Curt and Katie interview Jo Muirhead about the increasingly common trend of therapists becoming coaches for other therapists. We talk about what coaching actually is, mistakes therapists make when pursuing coaching, how therapists can identify if someone is a good (or bad) coach, problems with some coaching for therapists, and how therapists can future-proof their business (rather than turning to coaching for the answer). 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at the therapist-coaching-other-therapists trend
We’ve received feedback from listeners that they are overwhelmed and disillusioned by some of the business coaching available for therapists. We reached out to our friend, Jo Muirhead, to talk through the current landscape and how therapists can find (and be) better business coaches. 
What is coaching?
·        Coaching is working with someone to help them become the person, professional, etc. they would like to be
·        A Coach is someone who helps you with your mindset or helps you with how you think
·        Coaching is not training
·        Mentorship
What are mistakes that therapists make when pursuing coaching for themselves?
·        Unreasonable expectations
·        Lack of implementation support
·        Seeking out lots of free consultation (versus paid consultation)
How can therapists identify whether someone is a good or bad coach?
·        You need to know how you learn, so you can find someone who matches your learning style
·        Coaching should make you feel uncomfortable
·        Understand whether you’d like a done with you approach versus a done to you or for you type of program
·        Avoid people who focus only on themselves and what they’ve accomplished versus helping you find the right path
·        Find someone who can help you think (not tell you what to think)
What are some problems with coaches who work with therapists?
·        They create a program based on a single success
·        They believe that they have to tell people what to do
·        Marketing practices, manipulation
·        Urgency as a tactic works, but can feel manipulative at times
·        Fake friending is not effective and pretty awful
·        Failing to deliver on promises
·        Becoming a business coach because they are tired of listening to peoples’ pain
·        If you’re too tired to be a therapist, don’t coach
·        There is a problem with their relationship to work
·        Needing coaching clients rather than identifying best match clients
How can therapists future-proof their businesses?
·        We need to listen to the experts who are focusing attention on how the business is advancing
·        Understand that we’re not “fit for purpose” based on the changes in the industry

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <itunes:title>Why Do Therapists Feel They NEED to be Coaches? An Interview with Jo Muirhead</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Jo Muirhead about the increasingly common trend of therapists becoming coaches for other therapists. We talk about what coaching actually is, mistakes therapists make when pursuing coaching, how therapists can identify if someone is a good (or bad) coach, problems with some coaching for therapists, and how therapists can future-proof their business (rather than turning to coaching for the answer).</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why Do Therapists Feel They NEED to be Coaches? An Interview with Jo Muirhead
Curt and Katie interview Jo Muirhead about the increasingly common trend of therapists becoming coaches for other therapists. We talk about what coaching actually is, mistakes therapists make when pursuing coaching, how therapists can identify if someone is a good (or bad) coach, problems with some coaching for therapists, and how therapists can future-proof their business (rather than turning to coaching for the answer). 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we look at the therapist-coaching-other-therapists trend
We’ve received feedback from listeners that they are overwhelmed and disillusioned by some of the business coaching available for therapists. We reached out to our friend, Jo Muirhead, to talk through the current landscape and how therapists can find (and be) better business coaches. 
What is coaching?
·        Coaching is working with someone to help them become the person, professional, etc. they would like to be
·        A Coach is someone who helps you with your mindset or helps you with how you think
·        Coaching is not training
·        Mentorship
What are mistakes that therapists make when pursuing coaching for themselves?
·        Unreasonable expectations
·        Lack of implementation support
·        Seeking out lots of free consultation (versus paid consultation)
How can therapists identify whether someone is a good or bad coach?
·        You need to know how you learn, so you can find someone who matches your learning style
·        Coaching should make you feel uncomfortable
·        Understand whether you’d like a done with you approach versus a done to you or for you type of program
·        Avoid people who focus only on themselves and what they’ve accomplished versus helping you find the right path
·        Find someone who can help you think (not tell you what to think)
What are some problems with coaches who work with therapists?
·        They create a program based on a single success
·        They believe that they have to tell people what to do
·        Marketing practices, manipulation
·        Urgency as a tactic works, but can feel manipulative at times
·        Fake friending is not effective and pretty awful
·        Failing to deliver on promises
·        Becoming a business coach because they are tired of listening to peoples’ pain
·        If you’re too tired to be a therapist, don’t coach
·        There is a problem with their relationship to work
·        Needing coaching clients rather than identifying best match clients
How can therapists future-proof their businesses?
·        We need to listen to the experts who are focusing attention on how the business is advancing
·        Understand that we’re not “fit for purpose” based on the changes in the industry

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Why Do Therapists Feel They NEED to be Coaches? An Interview with Jo Muirhead</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Jo Muirhead about the increasingly common trend of therapists becoming coaches for other therapists. We talk about what coaching actually is, mistakes therapists make when pursuing coaching, how therapists can identify if someone is a good (or bad) coach, problems with some coaching for therapists, and how therapists can future-proof their business (rather than turning to coaching for the answer). </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we look at the therapist-coaching-other-therapists trend</h2><p>We’ve received feedback from listeners that they are overwhelmed and disillusioned by some of the business coaching available for therapists. We reached out to our friend, Jo Muirhead, to talk through the current landscape and how therapists can find (and be) better business coaches. </p><h3>What is coaching?</h3><p>·        Coaching is working with someone to help them become the person, professional, etc. they would like to be</p><p>·        A Coach is someone who helps you with your mindset or helps you with how you think</p><p>·        Coaching is not training</p><p>·        Mentorship</p><h3>What are mistakes that therapists make when pursuing coaching for themselves?</h3><p>·        Unreasonable expectations</p><p>·        Lack of implementation support</p><p>·        Seeking out lots of free consultation (versus paid consultation)</p><h3>How can therapists identify whether someone is a good or bad coach?</h3><p>·        You need to know how you learn, so you can find someone who matches your learning style</p><p>·        Coaching should make you feel uncomfortable</p><p>·        Understand whether you’d like a done with you approach versus a done to you or for you type of program</p><p>·        Avoid people who focus only on themselves and what they’ve accomplished versus helping you find the right path</p><p>·        Find someone who can help you think (not tell you what to think)</p><h3>What are some problems with coaches who work with therapists?</h3><p>·        They create a program based on a single success</p><p>·        They believe that they have to tell people what to do</p><p>·        Marketing practices, manipulation</p><p>·        Urgency as a tactic works, but can feel manipulative at times</p><p>·        Fake friending is not effective and pretty awful</p><p>·        Failing to deliver on promises</p><p>·        Becoming a business coach because they are tired of listening to peoples’ pain</p><p>·        If you’re too tired to be a therapist, don’t coach</p><p>·        There is a problem with their relationship to work</p><p>·        Needing coaching clients rather than identifying best match clients</p><h3>How can therapists future-proof their businesses?</h3><p>·        We need to listen to the experts who are focusing attention on how the business is advancing</p><p>·        Understand that we’re not “fit for purpose” based on the changes in the industry</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Humor in Psychotherapy</title>
      <description>Humor in Psychotherapy
Curt and Katie chat about the benefits and challenges of using humor in the therapy room. We look at the research exploring how humor is used, potential risks, and best practices. We work to infuse humor, even as we take our therapeutic humor pretty seriously. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can best work within treatment teams
Anecdotal evidence suggests that humor can have positive effects on therapeutic relationship development and as a skill that can be used for interventions. Concerns that humor may be used incorrectly or be potentially harmful make many clinicians wary of utilizing humor in therapy and empirical research is in its infancy about how it can be used effectively. This podcast episode explores the themes of therapeutic humor, which populations might present with different humor styles, and cultural considerations when using humor.
What are the beneficial uses of humor in therapy?
·      Authenticity versus rigidity
·      Serious versus humorous interactions
·      Irreverence in DBT
·      Humor must come from within your own personality, it is not something that is teachable
·      Within the relationship and the therapeutic alliance, humor can increase connection
·      Using humor as a therapist can address power imbalances
·      Opportunities to challenge beliefs and shift behavior with a lighter touch
·      Diffusing situations, gallows humor, and moving on from challenging situations
What are the risks of using humor in therapy?
·      When clients don’t understand the humor, it can cause iatrogenic harm
·      Confusion on the intent of humor
·      Confusion regarding the connection fostered by humor (i.e., could be seen as seduction)
·      Humor can be a distraction or a way to deflect from the therapeutic work
·      Humor can be seen as reinforcing power imbalances, especially when the client sees the humor as an insult, criticism, or the therapist putting the client down
·      Clients may not be able to give feedback on their reactions to humor
·      Self-deprecating or self-pitying humor is not recommended in therapy
What is in the research on using humor in therapy?
·      Not a lot of research
·      Research on humor in therapy is usually done with western therapists and clients
·      It is important to understand the different cultural impacts on humor
·      There is research on the 7 stages and themes of humor within therapy
·      Assessing the use of banter in therapy
·      Identifying whether aggressive humor can improve outcomes in therapy
·      Misapplication of humor as confrontation versus using it for facilitation
How can therapists use humor effectively in therapy?
·      Assess jokes and humorous interactions from the lens of it being for the benefit of the client
·      Focus on “reading the room,” so you’re not using humor inappropriately
·      Connecting and affirming your understanding of the client’s experience
·      Balancing activities in session (business time versus fun time)
·      Using humor as a diagnostic tool
·      Addressing ruptures or potential ruptures caused by humor

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Humor in Psychotherapy</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/6abe8f1c-3254-11ee-bb96-b33fe8039414/image/3e0128.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the benefits and challenges of using humor in the therapy room. We look at the research exploring how humor is used, potential risks, and best practices. We work to infuse humor, even as we take our therapeutic humor pretty seriously. This is a continuing education podcourse.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Humor in Psychotherapy
Curt and Katie chat about the benefits and challenges of using humor in the therapy room. We look at the research exploring how humor is used, potential risks, and best practices. We work to infuse humor, even as we take our therapeutic humor pretty seriously. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can best work within treatment teams
Anecdotal evidence suggests that humor can have positive effects on therapeutic relationship development and as a skill that can be used for interventions. Concerns that humor may be used incorrectly or be potentially harmful make many clinicians wary of utilizing humor in therapy and empirical research is in its infancy about how it can be used effectively. This podcast episode explores the themes of therapeutic humor, which populations might present with different humor styles, and cultural considerations when using humor.
What are the beneficial uses of humor in therapy?
·      Authenticity versus rigidity
·      Serious versus humorous interactions
·      Irreverence in DBT
·      Humor must come from within your own personality, it is not something that is teachable
·      Within the relationship and the therapeutic alliance, humor can increase connection
·      Using humor as a therapist can address power imbalances
·      Opportunities to challenge beliefs and shift behavior with a lighter touch
·      Diffusing situations, gallows humor, and moving on from challenging situations
What are the risks of using humor in therapy?
·      When clients don’t understand the humor, it can cause iatrogenic harm
·      Confusion on the intent of humor
·      Confusion regarding the connection fostered by humor (i.e., could be seen as seduction)
·      Humor can be a distraction or a way to deflect from the therapeutic work
·      Humor can be seen as reinforcing power imbalances, especially when the client sees the humor as an insult, criticism, or the therapist putting the client down
·      Clients may not be able to give feedback on their reactions to humor
·      Self-deprecating or self-pitying humor is not recommended in therapy
What is in the research on using humor in therapy?
·      Not a lot of research
·      Research on humor in therapy is usually done with western therapists and clients
·      It is important to understand the different cultural impacts on humor
·      There is research on the 7 stages and themes of humor within therapy
·      Assessing the use of banter in therapy
·      Identifying whether aggressive humor can improve outcomes in therapy
·      Misapplication of humor as confrontation versus using it for facilitation
How can therapists use humor effectively in therapy?
·      Assess jokes and humorous interactions from the lens of it being for the benefit of the client
·      Focus on “reading the room,” so you’re not using humor inappropriately
·      Connecting and affirming your understanding of the client’s experience
·      Balancing activities in session (business time versus fun time)
·      Using humor as a diagnostic tool
·      Addressing ruptures or potential ruptures caused by humor

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Humor in Psychotherapy</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the benefits and challenges of using humor in the therapy room. We look at the research exploring how humor is used, potential risks, and best practices. We work to infuse humor, even as we take our therapeutic humor pretty seriously. This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can best work within treatment teams</h2><p>Anecdotal evidence suggests that humor can have positive effects on therapeutic relationship development and as a skill that can be used for interventions. Concerns that humor may be used incorrectly or be potentially harmful make many clinicians wary of utilizing humor in therapy and empirical research is in its infancy about how it can be used effectively. This podcast episode explores the themes of therapeutic humor, which populations might present with different humor styles, and cultural considerations when using humor.</p><h3>What are the beneficial uses of humor in therapy?</h3><p>·      Authenticity versus rigidity</p><p>·      Serious versus humorous interactions</p><p>·      Irreverence in DBT</p><p>·      Humor must come from within your own personality, it is not something that is teachable</p><p>·      Within the relationship and the therapeutic alliance, humor can increase connection</p><p>·      Using humor as a therapist can address power imbalances</p><p>·      Opportunities to challenge beliefs and shift behavior with a lighter touch</p><p>·      Diffusing situations, gallows humor, and moving on from challenging situations</p><h3>What are the risks of using humor in therapy?</h3><p>·      When clients don’t understand the humor, it can cause iatrogenic harm</p><p>·      Confusion on the intent of humor</p><p>·      Confusion regarding the connection fostered by humor (i.e., could be seen as seduction)</p><p>·      Humor can be a distraction or a way to deflect from the therapeutic work</p><p>·      Humor can be seen as reinforcing power imbalances, especially when the client sees the humor as an insult, criticism, or the therapist putting the client down</p><p>·      Clients may not be able to give feedback on their reactions to humor</p><p>·      Self-deprecating or self-pitying humor is not recommended in therapy</p><h3>What is in the research on using humor in therapy?</h3><p>·      Not a lot of research</p><p>·      Research on humor in therapy is usually done with western therapists and clients</p><p>·      It is important to understand the different cultural impacts on humor</p><p>·      There is research on the 7 stages and themes of humor within therapy</p><p>·      Assessing the use of banter in therapy</p><p>·      Identifying whether aggressive humor can improve outcomes in therapy</p><p>·      Misapplication of humor as confrontation versus using it for facilitation</p><h3>How can therapists use humor effectively in therapy?</h3><p>·      Assess jokes and humorous interactions from the lens of it being for the benefit of the client</p><p>·      Focus on “reading the room,” so you’re not using humor inappropriately</p><p>·      Connecting and affirming your understanding of the client’s experience</p><p>·      Balancing activities in session (business time versus fun time)</p><p>·      Using humor as a diagnostic tool</p><p>·      Addressing ruptures or potential ruptures caused by humor</p><p><br></p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><p>You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a></p><h3>Continuing Education Approvals:</h3><p><a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How Therapists Can Deal with the Crisis of the Week</title>
      <description>How Therapists Can Deal with the Crisis of the Week
Curt and Katie chat about a typical dynamic that can happen in therapy sessions, namely the “crisis of the week.” We look at how this dynamic comes up and what therapists can do to deal with it more effectively. We identify both clinician and client factors and suggest strategies to improve therapy sessions.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore how therapy can get stuck responding to the crisis of the week
During one of our Patreon coffee hour/Q+A sessions, we got a request from a patron to talk about how to navigate client sessions that were mostly focused on worrisome incidences from the week, rather than on treatment goals.
What is “Crisis of the Week?”
·      When therapy gets stuck with only talking about what has happened in the week
·      Crises take precedent over treatment goals
·      There are also biases in how this topic has been brought up during training or supervision for early career clinicians
How do therapists determine whether the “crisis of the week” conversations are helpful
·      If conversations are repetitive or there is little progress made, these conversations are likely not helpful
·      “Crisis of the week” can be conversations from clients and (for kids) their parents
·      If the conversations align with treatment goals, they are more likely to be helpful
How can therapists mitigate the concerns related to “crisis of the week”?
·      Making sure to talk about the therapy and determine whether the treatment goals are appropriate for the client
·      Providing structure on how to work on therapy goals can help make therapy more effective
·      Making sure that you’re hearing the client and then redirect to treatment goals or the client’s hopes for therapy
·      Making sure that everyone is on the same page with how the treatment progresses
·      Insight into why there is a tendency to go to the crisis of the week
What are the clinician factors in getting stuck in a “crisis of the week” conversation?
·      Feeling uncomfortable with structuring therapy
·      Allowing the client to lead, when they are not ready to do so
·      Potentially not taking responsibility for the session due to laziness, burnout, or other concern
·      Therapists not clarifying expectations early enough in treatment
What are the client factors in getting stuck in a “crisis of the week” conversation?
·      Clients are fearful and potentially using a decoy issue to avoid discussing a more relevant
·      Clients may be having a trauma response that leads to speaking about safer topics
·      Clients are not yet comfortable enough with the therapist to dig deeper
·      Clients do not have the skills to manage the topic
·      Cultural factors could impact communication and expectations
What conversations can therapists have with clients related to avoiding crisis of the week?
·      Setting up structure for sessions
·      Addressing the relational elements related to attachment and getting to the clinical work
·      Identifying how to address it when “crisis of the week” happens
·      Determining how best to start your session with each client

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <itunes:title>How Therapists Can Deal with the Crisis of the Week</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about a typical dynamic that can happen in therapy sessions, namely the “crisis of the week.” We look at how this dynamic comes up and what therapists can do to deal with it more effectively. We identify both clinician and client factors and suggest strategies to improve therapy sessions.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Therapists Can Deal with the Crisis of the Week
Curt and Katie chat about a typical dynamic that can happen in therapy sessions, namely the “crisis of the week.” We look at how this dynamic comes up and what therapists can do to deal with it more effectively. We identify both clinician and client factors and suggest strategies to improve therapy sessions.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore how therapy can get stuck responding to the crisis of the week
During one of our Patreon coffee hour/Q+A sessions, we got a request from a patron to talk about how to navigate client sessions that were mostly focused on worrisome incidences from the week, rather than on treatment goals.
What is “Crisis of the Week?”
·      When therapy gets stuck with only talking about what has happened in the week
·      Crises take precedent over treatment goals
·      There are also biases in how this topic has been brought up during training or supervision for early career clinicians
How do therapists determine whether the “crisis of the week” conversations are helpful
·      If conversations are repetitive or there is little progress made, these conversations are likely not helpful
·      “Crisis of the week” can be conversations from clients and (for kids) their parents
·      If the conversations align with treatment goals, they are more likely to be helpful
How can therapists mitigate the concerns related to “crisis of the week”?
·      Making sure to talk about the therapy and determine whether the treatment goals are appropriate for the client
·      Providing structure on how to work on therapy goals can help make therapy more effective
·      Making sure that you’re hearing the client and then redirect to treatment goals or the client’s hopes for therapy
·      Making sure that everyone is on the same page with how the treatment progresses
·      Insight into why there is a tendency to go to the crisis of the week
What are the clinician factors in getting stuck in a “crisis of the week” conversation?
·      Feeling uncomfortable with structuring therapy
·      Allowing the client to lead, when they are not ready to do so
·      Potentially not taking responsibility for the session due to laziness, burnout, or other concern
·      Therapists not clarifying expectations early enough in treatment
What are the client factors in getting stuck in a “crisis of the week” conversation?
·      Clients are fearful and potentially using a decoy issue to avoid discussing a more relevant
·      Clients may be having a trauma response that leads to speaking about safer topics
·      Clients are not yet comfortable enough with the therapist to dig deeper
·      Clients do not have the skills to manage the topic
·      Cultural factors could impact communication and expectations
What conversations can therapists have with clients related to avoiding crisis of the week?
·      Setting up structure for sessions
·      Addressing the relational elements related to attachment and getting to the clinical work
·      Identifying how to address it when “crisis of the week” happens
·      Determining how best to start your session with each client

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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        <![CDATA[<h1>How Therapists Can Deal with the Crisis of the Week</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about a typical dynamic that can happen in therapy sessions, namely the “crisis of the week.” We look at how this dynamic comes up and what therapists can do to deal with it more effectively. We identify both clinician and client factors and suggest strategies to improve therapy sessions.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we explore how therapy can get stuck responding to the crisis of the week</h2><p>During one of our Patreon coffee hour/Q+A sessions, we got a request from a patron to talk about how to navigate client sessions that were mostly focused on worrisome incidences from the week, rather than on treatment goals.</p><h3>What is “Crisis of the Week?”</h3><p>·      When therapy gets stuck with only talking about what has happened in the week</p><p>·      Crises take precedent over treatment goals</p><p>·      There are also biases in how this topic has been brought up during training or supervision for early career clinicians</p><h3>How do therapists determine whether the “crisis of the week” conversations are helpful</h3><p>·      If conversations are repetitive or there is little progress made, these conversations are likely not helpful</p><p>·      “Crisis of the week” can be conversations from clients and (for kids) their parents</p><p>·      If the conversations align with treatment goals, they are more likely to be helpful</p><h3>How can therapists mitigate the concerns related to “crisis of the week”?</h3><p>·      Making sure to talk about the therapy and determine whether the treatment goals are appropriate for the client</p><p>·      Providing structure on how to work on therapy goals can help make therapy more effective</p><p>·      Making sure that you’re hearing the client and then redirect to treatment goals or the client’s hopes for therapy</p><p>·      Making sure that everyone is on the same page with how the treatment progresses</p><p>·      Insight into why there is a tendency to go to the crisis of the week</p><h3>What are the clinician factors in getting stuck in a “crisis of the week” conversation?</h3><p>·      Feeling uncomfortable with structuring therapy</p><p>·      Allowing the client to lead, when they are not ready to do so</p><p>·      Potentially not taking responsibility for the session due to laziness, burnout, or other concern</p><p>·      Therapists not clarifying expectations early enough in treatment</p><h3>What are the client factors in getting stuck in a “crisis of the week” conversation?</h3><p>·      Clients are fearful and potentially using a decoy issue to avoid discussing a more relevant</p><p>·      Clients may be having a trauma response that leads to speaking about safer topics</p><p>·      Clients are not yet comfortable enough with the therapist to dig deeper</p><p>·      Clients do not have the skills to manage the topic</p><p>·      Cultural factors could impact communication and expectations</p><h3>What conversations can therapists have with clients related to avoiding crisis of the week?</h3><p>·      Setting up structure for sessions</p><p>·      Addressing the relational elements related to attachment and getting to the clinical work</p><p>·      Identifying how to address it when “crisis of the week” happens</p><p>·      Determining how best to start your session with each client</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Making Sense of Insurance Billing and Client Referral Services for Therapists</title>
      <description>Making Sense of Insurance Billing and Client Referral Services for Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about a lot of the different services that therapists can sign up for to provide therapy. We talk about Alma, Headway, TalkSpace, BetterHelp, etc. We also look at what therapists should consider when deciding which service to sign up for (or whether they should). 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore therapist insurance referral services like Alma and Headway
We’ve been asked to weigh in on insurance referral services like Alma and Headway. We explore the different things to consider when choosing a service to sign up for.
What client referral services should therapists sign up for?
·      Betterhelp and TalkSpace models do not include insurance billing and pay therapists very little. We do not recommend therapists sign up as providers on BetterHelp and TalkSpace.
·      Alma, Headway, and other similar models get therapists credentialed, bill insurance, etc.
·      These services are very different and there are a lot of choices for therapists to make
What are questions therapists should consider when deciding which therapist referral service to sign up for?
·      Can I actually use these platforms?
·      How quickly am I credentialed and how many different panels can I sign up for?
·      Will this service get me clients?
·      How many clients are they going to get you?
·      Are the insurance benefits checks accurate?
·      What does customer service look like?
·      What are the rates they pay therapists?
·      Is there a minimum number of clients you’re expected to see?
·      What benefits are included for therapists (like CEs, group meetings, EHR, etc.)
·      What do you want your practice to look like?
·      What purpose will this platform serve for my practice? For example, are you wanting to get more clients or are you wanting to add insurance billing capacity (or both)?
Concerns about digital therapy platforms and insurance referral services
·      The tendency for things to change as startups grow
·       Privacy concerns from app-based therapy apps (like BetterHelp and TalkSpace, etc.)
·      Systemic impacts of tech companies negotiating with insurance companies instead of therapists
·      Most are set up as 1099 businesses versus W2 employee models and seem to skirt some labor laws and put liability on the therapist

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Making Sense of Insurance Billing and Client Referral Services for Therapists </itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about a lot of the different services that therapists can sign up for to provide therapy. We talk about Alma, Headway, TalkSpace, BetterHelp, etc. We also look at what therapists should consider when deciding which service to sign up for (or whether they should).</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Making Sense of Insurance Billing and Client Referral Services for Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about a lot of the different services that therapists can sign up for to provide therapy. We talk about Alma, Headway, TalkSpace, BetterHelp, etc. We also look at what therapists should consider when deciding which service to sign up for (or whether they should). 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore therapist insurance referral services like Alma and Headway
We’ve been asked to weigh in on insurance referral services like Alma and Headway. We explore the different things to consider when choosing a service to sign up for.
What client referral services should therapists sign up for?
·      Betterhelp and TalkSpace models do not include insurance billing and pay therapists very little. We do not recommend therapists sign up as providers on BetterHelp and TalkSpace.
·      Alma, Headway, and other similar models get therapists credentialed, bill insurance, etc.
·      These services are very different and there are a lot of choices for therapists to make
What are questions therapists should consider when deciding which therapist referral service to sign up for?
·      Can I actually use these platforms?
·      How quickly am I credentialed and how many different panels can I sign up for?
·      Will this service get me clients?
·      How many clients are they going to get you?
·      Are the insurance benefits checks accurate?
·      What does customer service look like?
·      What are the rates they pay therapists?
·      Is there a minimum number of clients you’re expected to see?
·      What benefits are included for therapists (like CEs, group meetings, EHR, etc.)
·      What do you want your practice to look like?
·      What purpose will this platform serve for my practice? For example, are you wanting to get more clients or are you wanting to add insurance billing capacity (or both)?
Concerns about digital therapy platforms and insurance referral services
·      The tendency for things to change as startups grow
·       Privacy concerns from app-based therapy apps (like BetterHelp and TalkSpace, etc.)
·      Systemic impacts of tech companies negotiating with insurance companies instead of therapists
·      Most are set up as 1099 businesses versus W2 employee models and seem to skirt some labor laws and put liability on the therapist

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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        <![CDATA[<h1>Making Sense of Insurance Billing and Client Referral Services for Therapists</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about a lot of the different services that therapists can sign up for to provide therapy. We talk about Alma, Headway, TalkSpace, BetterHelp, etc. We also look at what therapists should consider when deciding which service to sign up for (or whether they should). </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we explore therapist insurance referral services like Alma and Headway</h2><p>We’ve been asked to weigh in on insurance referral services like Alma and Headway. We explore the different things to consider when choosing a service to sign up for.</p><h3>What client referral services should therapists sign up for?</h3><p>·      Betterhelp and TalkSpace models do not include insurance billing and pay therapists very little. We do not recommend therapists sign up as providers on BetterHelp and TalkSpace.</p><p>·      Alma, Headway, and other similar models get therapists credentialed, bill insurance, etc.</p><p>·      These services are very different and there are a lot of choices for therapists to make</p><h3>What are questions therapists should consider when deciding which therapist referral service to sign up for?</h3><p>·      Can I actually use these platforms?</p><p>·      How quickly am I credentialed and how many different panels can I sign up for?</p><p>·      Will this service get me clients?</p><p>·      How many clients are they going to get you?</p><p>·      Are the insurance benefits checks accurate?</p><p>·      What does customer service look like?</p><p>·      What are the rates they pay therapists?</p><p>·      Is there a minimum number of clients you’re expected to see?</p><p>·      What benefits are included for therapists (like CEs, group meetings, EHR, etc.)</p><p>·      What do you want your practice to look like?</p><p>·      What purpose will this platform serve for my practice? For example, are you wanting to get more clients or are you wanting to add insurance billing capacity (or both)?</p><h3>Concerns about digital therapy platforms and insurance referral services</h3><p>·      The tendency for things to change as startups grow</p><p>·       Privacy concerns from app-based therapy apps (like BetterHelp and TalkSpace, etc.)</p><p>·      Systemic impacts of tech companies negotiating with insurance companies instead of therapists</p><p>·      Most are set up as 1099 businesses versus W2 employee models and seem to skirt some labor laws and put liability on the therapist</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Choosing Yourself as a Therapist: Strategies to address burnout, compassion fatigue and vicarious trauma, An Interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C</title>
      <description>Choosing Yourself as a Therapist: Strategies to address burnout, compassion fatigue and vicarious trauma
Curt and Katie interview Laura Reagan, LCSW-C, of the Trauma Therapist Network. We engage in real talk about burnout and compassion fatigue. We look at why therapists are especially susceptible to burnout, what therapists can do to take care of themselves, and what systems we can set up to try to avoid burnout and compassion fatigue. Laura also shared some ideas for group practice owners who want to support their clinicians. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C, Trauma Therapist Network
Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is an integrative trauma therapist who owns a group psychotherapy practice in the greater Baltimore area. Laura also hosts Therapy Chat and Trauma Chat Podcasts, and she founded Trauma Therapist Network in 2021. Laura trains trauma therapists around the world in using bottom-up therapy methods and accessing their highest selves while doing meaningful psychotherapy work for sustainable careers.
In this podcast episode, we take a deeper look at therapist burnout work
We’ve spoken many times about burnout and compassion fatigue. We decided to revisit this important topic with our friend, Laura Reagan.
What do therapists need to know about “burnout” and “compassion fatigue?”
·      Burnout isn’t necessarily us not wanting to work, but feeling that the world will fall apart if we aren’t there for our clients
·      Not paying attention and ending up losing our clients’ trust
·      You forget you have agency
Why are therapists at particular risk for burnout?
·      Our stuff coming up and not being there for ourselves
·      Not metabolizing our own trauma triggers
·      Getting dissociated and numb due to our compassion fatigue and moral injury
·      There are different levels of risk based on developmental stages
What can therapists do to take care of themselves?
·      Identify whether there is space for experiencing emotions as well as being present for clients
·      Step away when needed, even when that could mean stopping see clients
·      Exploring other options to take care of yourself financially
·      Learning to choose yourself
What can therapists do to prevent deep burnout and compassion fatigue?
·      Being in tune with yourself and your body
·      Paying attention to your responses to a client session, day, week
·      Understanding what is happening inside yourself to identify what you need to be well
·      Making sure to move in between sessions to recalibrate your nervous system
·      Being in community while also working to stay in connection with yourself
·      Specific suggestions for group practice owners

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
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Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Choosing Yourself as a Therapist: Strategies to address burnout, compassion fatigue and vicarious trauma, An Interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Laura Reagan, LCSW-C, of the Trauma Therapist Network. We engage in real talk about burnout and compassion fatigue. We look at why therapists are especially susceptible to burnout, what therapists can do to take care of themselves, and what systems we can set up to try to avoid burnout and compassion fatigue.  Laura also shared some ideas for group practice owners who want to support their clinicians.  </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Choosing Yourself as a Therapist: Strategies to address burnout, compassion fatigue and vicarious trauma
Curt and Katie interview Laura Reagan, LCSW-C, of the Trauma Therapist Network. We engage in real talk about burnout and compassion fatigue. We look at why therapists are especially susceptible to burnout, what therapists can do to take care of themselves, and what systems we can set up to try to avoid burnout and compassion fatigue. Laura also shared some ideas for group practice owners who want to support their clinicians. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C, Trauma Therapist Network
Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is an integrative trauma therapist who owns a group psychotherapy practice in the greater Baltimore area. Laura also hosts Therapy Chat and Trauma Chat Podcasts, and she founded Trauma Therapist Network in 2021. Laura trains trauma therapists around the world in using bottom-up therapy methods and accessing their highest selves while doing meaningful psychotherapy work for sustainable careers.
In this podcast episode, we take a deeper look at therapist burnout work
We’ve spoken many times about burnout and compassion fatigue. We decided to revisit this important topic with our friend, Laura Reagan.
What do therapists need to know about “burnout” and “compassion fatigue?”
·      Burnout isn’t necessarily us not wanting to work, but feeling that the world will fall apart if we aren’t there for our clients
·      Not paying attention and ending up losing our clients’ trust
·      You forget you have agency
Why are therapists at particular risk for burnout?
·      Our stuff coming up and not being there for ourselves
·      Not metabolizing our own trauma triggers
·      Getting dissociated and numb due to our compassion fatigue and moral injury
·      There are different levels of risk based on developmental stages
What can therapists do to take care of themselves?
·      Identify whether there is space for experiencing emotions as well as being present for clients
·      Step away when needed, even when that could mean stopping see clients
·      Exploring other options to take care of yourself financially
·      Learning to choose yourself
What can therapists do to prevent deep burnout and compassion fatigue?
·      Being in tune with yourself and your body
·      Paying attention to your responses to a client session, day, week
·      Understanding what is happening inside yourself to identify what you need to be well
·      Making sure to move in between sessions to recalibrate your nervous system
·      Being in community while also working to stay in connection with yourself
·      Specific suggestions for group practice owners

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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      <title>Building Your Treatment Team in Private Practice: Essential Networking Skills for Therapists</title>
      <description>Building Your Treatment Team in Private Practice: Essential Networking Skills for Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about treatment teaming, especially for clinicians in private practice. We look at the benefits of a treatment team, how to effectively create an interdisciplinary treatment team (including some networking skills), the qualities of a strong team, and the practicalities for therapists to collaborate effectively in treatment teams. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can best work within treatment teams
Clients are often best served by a robust treatment team. Specific diagnoses (like Eating Disorders or Serious Mental Illness) require treatment teaming as a best practice and many others are best served when you are collaborating with the other health and wellness professionals in your clients’ lives. Creating and working within treatment teams in private practice creates a unique challenge. How do you find these professionals and how do you best work with them? The meetings in the hall in treatment centers and agencies can’t happen when you’re at your own office or working virtually. What can modern therapists do? This episode will explore the importance of treatment teams, how to identify who belongs on your treatment teams, and the essential networking skills to create these important relationships.
We answer the following questions:
What do treatment teams look like in private practice?
What are the benefits of treatment teams, especially for lower acuity cases?
How can therapists create treatment teams when they are in private practice?
How do therapists vet the people they are meeting with?
What are the qualities of strong treatment teams?
How can therapists collaborate effectively with other professionals in private practice?


Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.
CAMFT CEPA: Therapy Reimagined is approved by the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists to sponsor continuing education for LMFTs, LPCCs, LCSWs, and LEPs (CAMFT CEPA provider #132270). Therapy Reimagined maintains responsibility for this program and its content. Courses meet the qualifications for the listed hours of continuing education credit for LMFTs, LCSWs, LPCCs, and/or LEPs as required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. We are working on additional provider approvals, but solely are able to provide CAMFT CEs at this time. Please check with your licensing body to ensure that they will accept this as an equivalent learning credit.
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
*The full reference list can be found in the course on our learning platform.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <itunes:title>Building Your Treatment Team in Private Practice: Essential Networking Skills for Therapists</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about treatment teaming, especially for clinicians in private practice. We look at the benefits of a treatment team, how to effectively create an interdisciplinary treatment team (including some networking skills), the qualities of a strong team, and the practicalities for therapists to collaborate effectively in treatment teams.  This is a continuing education podcourse. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Building Your Treatment Team in Private Practice: Essential Networking Skills for Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about treatment teaming, especially for clinicians in private practice. We look at the benefits of a treatment team, how to effectively create an interdisciplinary treatment team (including some networking skills), the qualities of a strong team, and the practicalities for therapists to collaborate effectively in treatment teams. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can best work within treatment teams
Clients are often best served by a robust treatment team. Specific diagnoses (like Eating Disorders or Serious Mental Illness) require treatment teaming as a best practice and many others are best served when you are collaborating with the other health and wellness professionals in your clients’ lives. Creating and working within treatment teams in private practice creates a unique challenge. How do you find these professionals and how do you best work with them? The meetings in the hall in treatment centers and agencies can’t happen when you’re at your own office or working virtually. What can modern therapists do? This episode will explore the importance of treatment teams, how to identify who belongs on your treatment teams, and the essential networking skills to create these important relationships.
We answer the following questions:
What do treatment teams look like in private practice?
What are the benefits of treatment teams, especially for lower acuity cases?
How can therapists create treatment teams when they are in private practice?
How do therapists vet the people they are meeting with?
What are the qualities of strong treatment teams?
How can therapists collaborate effectively with other professionals in private practice?


Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.
CAMFT CEPA: Therapy Reimagined is approved by the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists to sponsor continuing education for LMFTs, LPCCs, LCSWs, and LEPs (CAMFT CEPA provider #132270). Therapy Reimagined maintains responsibility for this program and its content. Courses meet the qualifications for the listed hours of continuing education credit for LMFTs, LCSWs, LPCCs, and/or LEPs as required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. We are working on additional provider approvals, but solely are able to provide CAMFT CEs at this time. Please check with your licensing body to ensure that they will accept this as an equivalent learning credit.
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
*The full reference list can be found in the course on our learning platform.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Building Your Treatment Team in Private Practice: Essential Networking Skills for Therapists</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about treatment teaming, especially for clinicians in private practice. We look at the benefits of a treatment team, how to effectively create an interdisciplinary treatment team (including some networking skills), the qualities of a strong team, and the practicalities for therapists to collaborate effectively in treatment teams. This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can best work within treatment teams</h2><p>Clients are often best served by a robust treatment team. Specific diagnoses (like Eating Disorders or Serious Mental Illness) require treatment teaming as a best practice and many others are best served when you are collaborating with the other health and wellness professionals in your clients’ lives. Creating and working within treatment teams in private practice creates a unique challenge. How do you find these professionals and how do you best work with them? The meetings in the hall in treatment centers and agencies can’t happen when you’re at your own office or working virtually. What can modern therapists do? This episode will explore the importance of treatment teams, how to identify who belongs on your treatment teams, and the essential networking skills to create these important relationships.</p><p>We answer the following questions:</p><p>What do treatment teams look like in private practice?</p><p>What are the benefits of treatment teams, especially for lower acuity cases?</p><p>How can therapists create treatment teams when they are in private practice?</p><p>How do therapists vet the people they are meeting with?</p><p>What are the qualities of strong treatment teams?</p><p>How can therapists collaborate effectively with other professionals in private practice?</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><p>You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a></p><h3>Continuing Education Approvals:</h3><p>When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a> including grievance and refund policies.</p><p><strong>CAMFT CEPA: </strong>Therapy Reimagined is approved by the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists to sponsor continuing education for LMFTs, LPCCs, LCSWs, and LEPs (CAMFT CEPA provider #132270). Therapy Reimagined maintains responsibility for this program and its content. Courses meet the qualifications for the listed hours of continuing education credit for LMFTs, LCSWs, LPCCs, and/or LEPs as required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. We are working on additional provider approvals, but solely are able to provide CAMFT CEs at this time. Please check with your licensing body to ensure that they will accept this as an equivalent learning credit.</p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>*The full reference list can be found in the course on <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">our learning platform</a>.</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Revisiting SEO and AI – Ethics and best practices: An Interview with Danica Wolf</title>
      <description>Revisiting SEO and AI – Ethics and best practices: An Interview with Danica Wolf
Curt and Katie interview Danica Wolf, COO of Simplified SEO Consulting, on the basics of SEO and how AI is being used in marketing. We look at best practices and ethics for both SEO and AI. We also talk through the potential pitfalls and cautions in the current state of AI for marketing.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Danica Wolf, MSW, Simplified SEO Consulting
Danica is a not-so-secret strategy nerd who loves coffee and conversations about all things entrepreneurial. Especially when helping professionals are ready to dive into the world of ethical marketing strategies that actually work. As COO of Simplified SEO Consulting, Danica gets to spend most of her time helping therapists and other mental health professionals build the business of their dreams with dream clients who are already searching for them. As a birth business owner, former trauma advocate, University instructor, and single mom, Danica knows how important it is for busy practice owners to get the info they need quickly with action steps to implement right away.
In this podcast episode, we return to our discussions about SEO and AI
We’ve talked with caution about AI for your therapy practice but thought it would be helpful to talk to a marketing pro about effective ways to consider AI for your practice marketing. We also look at SEO best practices.
What is SEO? What are best practices for on-page optimization?
·      Search Engine Optimization
·      Using keywords and content to get better ranked on Google
·      Content needs to be specific and aligned to ideal client
·      It is important to use ethical practices in your SEO
What are the best practices for making marketing activities more efficient?
·      We talk about ways that AI is being used for marketing, including cautions and best practices
·      Google wants to see original content and wants folks to identify that AI has been used
·      There may be a google penalty for using AI generated content
·      When using AI for writing, make sure it actually sounds like you, you are editing it, and is accurate information
·      A better strategy with AI is using thoughtful prompts, your own examples, etc. as well as re-prompting and iterating on the content
·      Always check and read through things before putting anything on your website
·      Accessibility and simpler language (e.g., 3 am trauma brain)
What are some good resources for writing content?
·      Jasper.ai
·      Copy.ai
·      Previous recommendation was originality.ai (which has had problems recently)
·      https://hemingwayapp.com/
What are concerns with using AI for your business at this point?
·      There is a shift in how AI content is being viewed, so initial dopamine hits may be leading you down the wrong path
·      You will need to be able to keep up with the evolution of AI, not just use it as a shortcut
·      It needs to be done strategically, intentionally, and ethically
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Revisiting SEO and AI – Ethics and best practices: An Interview with Danica Wolf</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/4dba309e-22ad-11ee-afce-db57c078f014/image/8e37e4.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Danica Wolf, COO of Simplified SEO Consulting, on the basics of SEO and how AI is being used in marketing. We look at best practices and ethics for both SEO and AI. We also talk through the potential pitfalls and cautions in the current state of AI for marketing.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Revisiting SEO and AI – Ethics and best practices: An Interview with Danica Wolf
Curt and Katie interview Danica Wolf, COO of Simplified SEO Consulting, on the basics of SEO and how AI is being used in marketing. We look at best practices and ethics for both SEO and AI. We also talk through the potential pitfalls and cautions in the current state of AI for marketing.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Danica Wolf, MSW, Simplified SEO Consulting
Danica is a not-so-secret strategy nerd who loves coffee and conversations about all things entrepreneurial. Especially when helping professionals are ready to dive into the world of ethical marketing strategies that actually work. As COO of Simplified SEO Consulting, Danica gets to spend most of her time helping therapists and other mental health professionals build the business of their dreams with dream clients who are already searching for them. As a birth business owner, former trauma advocate, University instructor, and single mom, Danica knows how important it is for busy practice owners to get the info they need quickly with action steps to implement right away.
In this podcast episode, we return to our discussions about SEO and AI
We’ve talked with caution about AI for your therapy practice but thought it would be helpful to talk to a marketing pro about effective ways to consider AI for your practice marketing. We also look at SEO best practices.
What is SEO? What are best practices for on-page optimization?
·      Search Engine Optimization
·      Using keywords and content to get better ranked on Google
·      Content needs to be specific and aligned to ideal client
·      It is important to use ethical practices in your SEO
What are the best practices for making marketing activities more efficient?
·      We talk about ways that AI is being used for marketing, including cautions and best practices
·      Google wants to see original content and wants folks to identify that AI has been used
·      There may be a google penalty for using AI generated content
·      When using AI for writing, make sure it actually sounds like you, you are editing it, and is accurate information
·      A better strategy with AI is using thoughtful prompts, your own examples, etc. as well as re-prompting and iterating on the content
·      Always check and read through things before putting anything on your website
·      Accessibility and simpler language (e.g., 3 am trauma brain)
What are some good resources for writing content?
·      Jasper.ai
·      Copy.ai
·      Previous recommendation was originality.ai (which has had problems recently)
·      https://hemingwayapp.com/
What are concerns with using AI for your business at this point?
·      There is a shift in how AI content is being viewed, so initial dopamine hits may be leading you down the wrong path
·      You will need to be able to keep up with the evolution of AI, not just use it as a shortcut
·      It needs to be done strategically, intentionally, and ethically
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Revisiting SEO and AI – Ethics and best practices: An Interview with Danica Wolf</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Danica Wolf, COO of Simplified SEO Consulting, on the basics of SEO and how AI is being used in marketing. We look at best practices and ethics for both SEO and AI. We also talk through the potential pitfalls and cautions in the current state of AI for marketing.  </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>An Interview with Danica Wolf, MSW, Simplified SEO Consulting</h2><p>Danica is a not-so-secret strategy nerd who loves coffee and conversations about all things entrepreneurial. Especially when helping professionals are ready to dive into the world of ethical marketing strategies that actually work. As COO of Simplified SEO Consulting, Danica gets to spend most of her time helping therapists and other mental health professionals build the business of their dreams with dream clients who are already searching for them. As a birth business owner, former trauma advocate, University instructor, and single mom, Danica knows how important it is for busy practice owners to get the info they need quickly with action steps to implement right away.</p><h2>In this podcast episode, we return to our discussions about SEO and AI</h2><p>We’ve talked with caution about AI for your therapy practice but thought it would be helpful to talk to a marketing pro about effective ways to consider AI for your practice marketing. We also look at SEO best practices.</p><h3>What is SEO? What are best practices for on-page optimization?</h3><p>·      Search Engine Optimization</p><p>·      Using keywords and content to get better ranked on Google</p><p>·      Content needs to be specific and aligned to ideal client</p><p>·      It is important to use ethical practices in your SEO</p><h3>What are the best practices for making marketing activities more efficient?</h3><p>·      We talk about ways that AI is being used for marketing, including cautions and best practices</p><p>·      Google wants to see original content and wants folks to identify that AI has been used</p><p>·      There may be a google penalty for using AI generated content</p><p>·      When using AI for writing, make sure it actually sounds like you, you are editing it, and is accurate information</p><p>·      A better strategy with AI is using thoughtful prompts, your own examples, etc. as well as re-prompting and iterating on the content</p><p>·      Always check and read through things before putting anything on your website</p><p>·      Accessibility and simpler language (e.g., 3 am trauma brain)</p><h3>What are some good resources for writing content?</h3><p>·      Jasper.ai</p><p>·      Copy.ai</p><p>·      Previous recommendation was originality.ai (which has had problems recently)</p><p>·      <a href="https://hemingwayapp.com/">https://hemingwayapp.com/</a></p><h3>What are concerns with using AI for your business at this point?</h3><p>·      There is a shift in how AI content is being viewed, so initial dopamine hits may be leading you down the wrong path</p><p>·      You will need to be able to keep up with the evolution of AI, not just use it as a shortcut</p><p>·      It needs to be done strategically, intentionally, and ethically</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How Can You Create an Ethical Faith-Based Practice? An Interview with Whitney Owens, LPC</title>
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Curt and Katie interview Whitney Owens, LPC of Wise Practice, about faith-based practice. We look at what therapists can get wrong when considering incorporating faith into therapy. We also talk about what to do (and NOT do) when creating a faith-based therapy practice, specifically talking about ethics, using faith as a tool when requested, and the harm caused when therapists have a religious agenda in session. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about faith-based therapy practices
Faith is a big part of many people’s lives. It is important for therapists to understand how to use faith as a resource in therapy. Further, there are Christian, faith-based therapists who can identify how best to remain within their ethics as a therapist when incorporating faith into therapy.
What can therapists get wrong when creating a faith-based therapy practice?
·      Therapists become unethical when they try to convert clients to Christianity in therapy
·      When therapists mismatch how much clients want to include faith and belief
·      Therapists are not supposed to have an agenda for how their clients grow and change
·      Conversion Therapy (e.g., Sexual Orientation Change Efforts, Anti-trans therapy) are illegal and wrong, regardless of your beliefs or faith
·      Telling clients what to do about “moral” issues
·      Refusing to work with people based on “morals”
What can therapists do to create an ethical faith-based practice?
·      Using faith as a tool in therapy
·      Letting clients dictate how faith is incorporated in therapy
·      Providing clients space to interpret the bible or create the lives that they want to create
·      Addressing our own bias
·      Helping clients to make their own decisions
·      Getting supervision and even joining secular consultation groups
·      Doing the work to overcome bias and increase inclusion and affirmative practices
What are the benefits of incorporating faith into therapy and therapy practices?
·      When therapists and clients share faith and beliefs, there can be an alignment of lived experience
·      Therapists can extend their faith into the work to be more aligned (as long as they remain ethical in how they incorporate it into practice)
·      Making business decisions that are both faith-based and ethical
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Wise Practice Summit
Wise Practice Podcast
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Am I Honoring My Personal Values OR Am I Discriminating? An exploration of ethics for modern therapists
What Therapists Need to Know About Abortion and Termination for Medical Reasons: An Interview with Jane Armstrong, LCSW
The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW
What Goes in Your Notes? Interstate therapy practice and documentation for clients considering abortion or gender affirming care
Has Therapy Become the New Religion?

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Whitney Owens, LPC of Wise Practice, about faith-based practice. We look at what therapists can get wrong when considering incorporating faith into therapy. We also talk about what to do (and NOT do) when creating a faith-based therapy practice, specifically talking about ethics, using faith as a tool when requested, and the harm caused when therapists have a religious agenda in session. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Can You Create an Ethical Faith-Based Practice? An Interview with Whitney Owens, LPC
Curt and Katie interview Whitney Owens, LPC of Wise Practice, about faith-based practice. We look at what therapists can get wrong when considering incorporating faith into therapy. We also talk about what to do (and NOT do) when creating a faith-based therapy practice, specifically talking about ethics, using faith as a tool when requested, and the harm caused when therapists have a religious agenda in session. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about faith-based therapy practices
Faith is a big part of many people’s lives. It is important for therapists to understand how to use faith as a resource in therapy. Further, there are Christian, faith-based therapists who can identify how best to remain within their ethics as a therapist when incorporating faith into therapy.
What can therapists get wrong when creating a faith-based therapy practice?
·      Therapists become unethical when they try to convert clients to Christianity in therapy
·      When therapists mismatch how much clients want to include faith and belief
·      Therapists are not supposed to have an agenda for how their clients grow and change
·      Conversion Therapy (e.g., Sexual Orientation Change Efforts, Anti-trans therapy) are illegal and wrong, regardless of your beliefs or faith
·      Telling clients what to do about “moral” issues
·      Refusing to work with people based on “morals”
What can therapists do to create an ethical faith-based practice?
·      Using faith as a tool in therapy
·      Letting clients dictate how faith is incorporated in therapy
·      Providing clients space to interpret the bible or create the lives that they want to create
·      Addressing our own bias
·      Helping clients to make their own decisions
·      Getting supervision and even joining secular consultation groups
·      Doing the work to overcome bias and increase inclusion and affirmative practices
What are the benefits of incorporating faith into therapy and therapy practices?
·      When therapists and clients share faith and beliefs, there can be an alignment of lived experience
·      Therapists can extend their faith into the work to be more aligned (as long as they remain ethical in how they incorporate it into practice)
·      Making business decisions that are both faith-based and ethical
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Wise Practice Summit
Wise Practice Podcast
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Am I Honoring My Personal Values OR Am I Discriminating? An exploration of ethics for modern therapists
What Therapists Need to Know About Abortion and Termination for Medical Reasons: An Interview with Jane Armstrong, LCSW
The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW
What Goes in Your Notes? Interstate therapy practice and documentation for clients considering abortion or gender affirming care
Has Therapy Become the New Religion?

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How Can You Create an Ethical Faith-Based Practice? An Interview with Whitney Owens, LPC</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Whitney Owens, LPC of Wise Practice, about faith-based practice. We look at what therapists can get wrong when considering incorporating faith into therapy. We also talk about what to do (and NOT do) when creating a faith-based therapy practice, specifically talking about ethics, using faith as a tool when requested, and the harm caused when therapists have a religious agenda in session. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about faith-based therapy practices</h2><p>Faith is a big part of many people’s lives. It is important for therapists to understand how to use faith as a resource in therapy. Further, there are Christian, faith-based therapists who can identify how best to remain within their ethics as a therapist when incorporating faith into therapy.</p><h3>What can therapists get wrong when creating a faith-based therapy practice?</h3><p>·      Therapists become unethical when they try to convert clients to Christianity in therapy</p><p>·      When therapists mismatch how much clients want to include faith and belief</p><p>·      Therapists are not supposed to have an agenda for how their clients grow and change</p><p>·      Conversion Therapy (e.g., Sexual Orientation Change Efforts, Anti-trans therapy) are illegal and wrong, regardless of your beliefs or faith</p><p>·      Telling clients what to do about “moral” issues</p><p>·      Refusing to work with people based on “morals”</p><h3>What can therapists do to create an ethical faith-based practice?</h3><p>·      Using faith as a tool in therapy</p><p>·      Letting clients dictate how faith is incorporated in therapy</p><p>·      Providing clients space to interpret the bible or create the lives that they want to create</p><p>·      Addressing our own bias</p><p>·      Helping clients to make their own decisions</p><p>·      Getting supervision and even joining secular consultation groups</p><p>·      Doing the work to overcome bias and increase inclusion and affirmative practices</p><h3>What are the benefits of incorporating faith into therapy and therapy practices?</h3><p>·      When therapists and clients share faith and beliefs, there can be an alignment of lived experience</p><p>·      Therapists can extend their faith into the work to be more aligned (as long as they remain ethical in how they incorporate it into practice)</p><p>·      Making business decisions that are both faith-based and ethical</p><h3>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h3><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://whitneyowens.com/summit-2023">Wise Practice Summit</a></p><p><a href="https://whitneyowens.com/wise-practice-podcast">Wise Practice Podcast</a></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/am-i-honoring-my-personal-values-or-am-i-discriminating-an-exploration-of-ethics-for-modern-therapists/">Am I Honoring My Personal Values OR Am I Discriminating? An exploration of ethics for modern therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/what-therapists-need-to-know-about-abortion-and-termination-for-medical-reasons-an-interview-with-jane-armstrong/">What Therapists Need to Know About Abortion and Termination for Medical Reasons: An Interview with Jane Armstrong, LCSW</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/the-practicalities-of-mental-health-and-gender-affirming-care-for-trans-youth-an-interview-with-jordan-held-lcsw/">The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/what-goes-in-your-notes-interstate-therapy-practice-and-documentation-for-clients-considering-abortion-or-gender-affirming-care/">What Goes in Your Notes? Interstate therapy practice and documentation for clients considering abortion or gender affirming care</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/has-therapy-become-the-new-religion/">Has Therapy Become the New Religion?</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Can Therapists Do When Clients Don’t Getting Better?</title>
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Curt and Katie chat about what modern therapists can do when their clients don’t (or can’t) get better. We explore what “getting better" looks like in therapy, what can get in the way of clients improving, how we can support clients who are unable to reach traditional treatment goals, and how clinicians can take care of ourselves while doing this longer-term work.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can happen when clients aren’t improving
At a recent talk, we got the question – what if my clients aren’t getting better? We decided it was time to look at how goals are set, what “getting better” actually looks like, and how therapists can cope with clients whose treatment goals are "not getting worse."
What does “getting better” look like in therapy?
·      Treatment goals are often set based on functionality, independence, and productivity
·      Outcome measures can be used to track improvement on mood, anxiety, etc.
·      Goals of “not getting worse” or prevention of future concerns are often hard to quantify or are unsatisfying for therapists (and potentially for their clients)
What can get in the way of clients improving in therapy?
·      Situational concerns that are not changed
·      Longer-standing diagnoses that don’t go away, but can be stabilized
·      When improvement is defined as reaching goals, rather than avoiding relapse
How can therapists support clients who are unable to reach traditional treatment goals?
·      Collaborative treatment goal setting
·      Identifying appropriate expectations
·      Quality of Life goals
·      Showing ongoing medical necessity and documenting appropriate need for ongoing care
·      Higher acuity and relevant diagnoses documented
How can clinicians take care of ourselves when we have longer term clients who don’t show dramatic improvement?
·      Getting clear on client’s capacity for growth
·      Be clear on your own skills and capacity as a therapist
·      On-going conversations with the client to determine whether other help is needed
·      Exploring quality of life goals
·      Identifying incremental gains and reframing to build hope
·      Deepening the therapeutic relationship, focusing on the attachment
·      Redefining success and understanding the pieces that are still uncomfortable
·      Making sure that therapists do not define their own success based on client outcomes
·      Destigmatizing long-term weekly therapy as a coping strategy

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>What Can Therapists Do When Clients Don’t Getting Better?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about what modern therapists can do when their clients don’t (or can’t) get better. We explore what “getting better" looks like in therapy, what can get in the way of clients improving, how we can support clients who are unable to reach traditional treatment goals, and how clinicians can take care of ourselves while doing this longer-term work. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Can Therapists Do When Clients Don’t Getting Better?
Curt and Katie chat about what modern therapists can do when their clients don’t (or can’t) get better. We explore what “getting better" looks like in therapy, what can get in the way of clients improving, how we can support clients who are unable to reach traditional treatment goals, and how clinicians can take care of ourselves while doing this longer-term work.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can happen when clients aren’t improving
At a recent talk, we got the question – what if my clients aren’t getting better? We decided it was time to look at how goals are set, what “getting better” actually looks like, and how therapists can cope with clients whose treatment goals are "not getting worse."
What does “getting better” look like in therapy?
·      Treatment goals are often set based on functionality, independence, and productivity
·      Outcome measures can be used to track improvement on mood, anxiety, etc.
·      Goals of “not getting worse” or prevention of future concerns are often hard to quantify or are unsatisfying for therapists (and potentially for their clients)
What can get in the way of clients improving in therapy?
·      Situational concerns that are not changed
·      Longer-standing diagnoses that don’t go away, but can be stabilized
·      When improvement is defined as reaching goals, rather than avoiding relapse
How can therapists support clients who are unable to reach traditional treatment goals?
·      Collaborative treatment goal setting
·      Identifying appropriate expectations
·      Quality of Life goals
·      Showing ongoing medical necessity and documenting appropriate need for ongoing care
·      Higher acuity and relevant diagnoses documented
How can clinicians take care of ourselves when we have longer term clients who don’t show dramatic improvement?
·      Getting clear on client’s capacity for growth
·      Be clear on your own skills and capacity as a therapist
·      On-going conversations with the client to determine whether other help is needed
·      Exploring quality of life goals
·      Identifying incremental gains and reframing to build hope
·      Deepening the therapeutic relationship, focusing on the attachment
·      Redefining success and understanding the pieces that are still uncomfortable
·      Making sure that therapists do not define their own success based on client outcomes
·      Destigmatizing long-term weekly therapy as a coping strategy

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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      <title>Are You Actually Neurodivergent Affirming? An Interview with Sonny Jane Wise</title>
      <description>Are You Actually Neurodivergent Affirming? An Interview with Sonny Jane Wise
Curt and Katie interview Sonny Jane Wise, the Lived Experience Educator. We chat about therapists getting stuck in neuro-normative expectations and norms or refusing to accept medication or accommodations as neurodivergent affirming. We look at how you can get more creative and individualized to support neurodivergent individuals more effectively. We also look specifically at neurodivergent friendly DBT and whether skills-deficit models are inherently ableist.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about creating neurodivergent affirmative therapy practices
Too often, therapists create goals and engage in practices that are neuro-normative. When working with neurodivergent clients and their families, these practices can be harmful. We asked Sonny Jane Wise, the Lived Experience Educator, to talk with us about how to best incorporate neurodivergent affirming practices for therapy.
What do therapists get wrong when moving toward neurodiversity affirming practice?
·      Removing medication or accommodations as an acceptable option
·      Failing to allow for individual differences and preferences
·      Neuro-normativity shows up in goals, especially looking at independence and productivity
·      Setting expectations inappropriately
How can therapists become more neurodivergent affirming?
·      Understanding the impacts of intersectionality on how someone chooses how they navigate their neurodivergence
·      Moving away from independence as the goal of therapy
·      Understanding that a neurodivergent person’s needs are more important than neuro-normative norms
·      Getting creative with problem-solving and communication
·      Recognizing differences, learning to work with them and not try to change them or work against them
Are skills-deficit based models (like Dialectical Behavioral Therapy) inherently ableist?
·      When the model states that the problem lies with the individual, then it is ableist
·      Adjusting the environment and the external factors is more appropriate
·      DBT skills can be helpful to learn emotions regulation that wasn’t learned when growing up
·      It is important to recognize differences and giving opportunities to work with differences
·      Letting go of the one size fits all and moving toward options
What is an ideal for neurodiversity affirming spaces?
·      Viewing differences as differences and not something to be fixed or changed
·      Needs based system (not diagnosis-based system)
·      Understanding that everyone needs different things and accommodations, not just those with
·      Removing neuro-normative standards and expectations
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Sonny Jane Wise, the Lived Experience Educator. We chat about therapists getting stuck in neuro-normative expectations and norms or refusing to accept medication or accommodations as neurodivergent affirming. We look at how you can get more creative and individualized to support neurodivergent individuals more effectively. We also look specifically at neurodivergent friendly DBT and whether skills-deficit models are inherently ableist.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Are You Actually Neurodivergent Affirming? An Interview with Sonny Jane Wise
Curt and Katie interview Sonny Jane Wise, the Lived Experience Educator. We chat about therapists getting stuck in neuro-normative expectations and norms or refusing to accept medication or accommodations as neurodivergent affirming. We look at how you can get more creative and individualized to support neurodivergent individuals more effectively. We also look specifically at neurodivergent friendly DBT and whether skills-deficit models are inherently ableist.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about creating neurodivergent affirmative therapy practices
Too often, therapists create goals and engage in practices that are neuro-normative. When working with neurodivergent clients and their families, these practices can be harmful. We asked Sonny Jane Wise, the Lived Experience Educator, to talk with us about how to best incorporate neurodivergent affirming practices for therapy.
What do therapists get wrong when moving toward neurodiversity affirming practice?
·      Removing medication or accommodations as an acceptable option
·      Failing to allow for individual differences and preferences
·      Neuro-normativity shows up in goals, especially looking at independence and productivity
·      Setting expectations inappropriately
How can therapists become more neurodivergent affirming?
·      Understanding the impacts of intersectionality on how someone chooses how they navigate their neurodivergence
·      Moving away from independence as the goal of therapy
·      Understanding that a neurodivergent person’s needs are more important than neuro-normative norms
·      Getting creative with problem-solving and communication
·      Recognizing differences, learning to work with them and not try to change them or work against them
Are skills-deficit based models (like Dialectical Behavioral Therapy) inherently ableist?
·      When the model states that the problem lies with the individual, then it is ableist
·      Adjusting the environment and the external factors is more appropriate
·      DBT skills can be helpful to learn emotions regulation that wasn’t learned when growing up
·      It is important to recognize differences and giving opportunities to work with differences
·      Letting go of the one size fits all and moving toward options
What is an ideal for neurodiversity affirming spaces?
·      Viewing differences as differences and not something to be fixed or changed
·      Needs based system (not diagnosis-based system)
·      Understanding that everyone needs different things and accommodations, not just those with
·      Removing neuro-normative standards and expectations
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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Curt and Katie chat about defensive therapy practices. We talk about how therapists avoid liability by practicing defensively, which can harm our clients. We look at common defensive therapy practices, like refusing to see clients with certain types of risk or too quickly hospitalizing someone. We explore the risks to our clients when we practice this way and how we can navigate risk to avoid practicing defensively. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about therapists minimizing their own liability without benefitting their clients
Therapists facing difficult decisions in therapeutic treatment are presented with the competing tasks of providing quality care to clients while also trying to minimize their legal risks. This can lead to therapists who may choose courses of action that do not benefit clients while doing things to protect the therapist. This podcourse explores the types of defensive practices that therapists take, how to recognize them, what steps can be done to protect therapists, and how to maximize client outcomes.
What are defensive therapy practices?
·       Actions taken by a therapist that don’t benefit the client, but are done to protect the legal liability of the therapist
·       Avoidant versus Assurant defensive therapy practices
·       Responding to very scary law and ethics classes
·       Avoiding lawyers and subpoenas
What are examples of Defensive Therapy practices?
·       Avoidant: Avoiding talking about anything that is even related to things outside of our scope of practice (e.g., medical or legal advice); refusing to see clients with specific types of risk
·       Assurant: Sending clients to the hospital quickly based on risk rather than on treatment efficacy, over-reporting abuse and engaging clients with systems
·       Therapists are employing defensive therapy practices when making sure to shift liability elsewhere
How do I navigate the risk that often leads to defensive therapy practices?
·       Make clear the limitations on your knowledge, but respond to questions and needs in the best way you can, referring to experts as appropriate
·       Prescriptive Assurant practices (taking action based on laws, rules, and/or ethical decision-making)
·       Documentation of ethical decision-making process and the decision and actions made
·       Documentation of the conversations with the client related to the action or inaction
·       Also, documentation of the ongoing evaluation procedure for the action taken
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <itunes:summary>Liability Hot Potato: Defensive Therapy practices that give clients inadequate care
Curt and Katie chat about defensive therapy practices. We talk about how therapists avoid liability by practicing defensively, which can harm our clients. We look at common defensive therapy practices, like refusing to see clients with certain types of risk or too quickly hospitalizing someone. We explore the risks to our clients when we practice this way and how we can navigate risk to avoid practicing defensively. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about therapists minimizing their own liability without benefitting their clients
Therapists facing difficult decisions in therapeutic treatment are presented with the competing tasks of providing quality care to clients while also trying to minimize their legal risks. This can lead to therapists who may choose courses of action that do not benefit clients while doing things to protect the therapist. This podcourse explores the types of defensive practices that therapists take, how to recognize them, what steps can be done to protect therapists, and how to maximize client outcomes.
What are defensive therapy practices?
·       Actions taken by a therapist that don’t benefit the client, but are done to protect the legal liability of the therapist
·       Avoidant versus Assurant defensive therapy practices
·       Responding to very scary law and ethics classes
·       Avoiding lawyers and subpoenas
What are examples of Defensive Therapy practices?
·       Avoidant: Avoiding talking about anything that is even related to things outside of our scope of practice (e.g., medical or legal advice); refusing to see clients with specific types of risk
·       Assurant: Sending clients to the hospital quickly based on risk rather than on treatment efficacy, over-reporting abuse and engaging clients with systems
·       Therapists are employing defensive therapy practices when making sure to shift liability elsewhere
How do I navigate the risk that often leads to defensive therapy practices?
·       Make clear the limitations on your knowledge, but respond to questions and needs in the best way you can, referring to experts as appropriate
·       Prescriptive Assurant practices (taking action based on laws, rules, and/or ethical decision-making)
·       Documentation of ethical decision-making process and the decision and actions made
·       Documentation of the conversations with the client related to the action or inaction
·       Also, documentation of the ongoing evaluation procedure for the action taken
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information including grievance and refund policies.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <title>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on Thrizer</title>
      <description>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on Thrizer
Curt and Katie talk with Raunak Sharma, owner of Thrizer, a modern payment processing app for private pay therapists. Thrizer is a modern payments solution built for therapists. You can charge clients securely, receive payments seamlessly, and enable insurance reimbursements automatically. We chat with Raunak about Thrizer as well as his perspective on the finances of therapy, specifically out of network billing. We explore the challenges (and ineffectiveness) of super bills as well as a new solution (ThrizerPlus) that will help clients only pay what they owe.
This is the Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, a series of special episodes to help modern therapists navigate products and services specifically designed for therapists and their clients. We dig deeply into the companies, the people, and the products and services so you can make smart decisions in building your practice and serving your clients.
Transcripts will be available on mtsgpodcast.com.
Interview with Raunak Sharma, Founder and CEO of Thrizer
Raunak is the Founder and CEO of Thrizer, a payments app for private pay therapists. A therapy-goer himself, he got tired of the struggle to leverage his out-of-network benefits and get reimbursed for his sessions, and wanted to build a solution to help both therapists and their clients. Thousands of therapists now use Thrizer daily to securely charge for appointments and upgrade their client experience.
In this podcast episode we talk about out of network billing and payment processing with Thrizer
Interview with Raunak Sharma, Thrizer
2:04 How did you decide to create Thrizer? How did you put together the business?
3:08 What are the values that guide your business and business decisions?
4:51 When therapists are putting together their private pay practice, what should they consider when designing their financial systems? (i.e., Private pay, Insurance-based, Out of network billing)
8:14 What does out of network billing involve?
10:34 What does out of network billing look like when using Thrizer?
12:59 What kind of out of network rates are people getting?
15:33 How often are clients wanting and able to use their out of network benefits?
18:49 How does Thrizer work?
21:22 How do you actually have enough information to create a claim?
24:22 How can you make a profit if you are only charging the 3% processing fee?
26:40 What is ThrizerPlus?
31:21 What makes Thrizer different than other payment processors and/or other out of network billers?
32:40 What’s still a work in progress at Thrizer?
34:04 Special offer from Thrizer for our Modern Therapist audience
Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of Thrizer
36:19 What do you see as the deciding factors when deciding whether to use Thrizer for payment processing and out of network billing (or not)?

A Special Offer for the listeners of Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast from Thrizer
Go to bit.ly/moderntherapists and use the code MODERNTHERAPISTS for free payment processing on your first $2,500 of payments.
Relevant Links:
Thrizer Website
Email: Raunak at thrizer.com
Social Media:
Thrizer on Instagram
Thrizer on Facebook
Thrizer on LinkedIn

Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on Thrizer</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/fa5ef6a0-0c9a-11ee-8737-fb6108ce9e1d/image/e8da87.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk with Raunak Sharma, owner of Thrizer, a modern payment processing app for private pay therapists.  Thrizer is a modern payments solution built for therapists. You can charge clients securely, receive payments seamlessly, and enable insurance reimbursements automatically. We chat with Raunak about Thrizer as well as his perspective on the finances of therapy, specifically out of network billing. We explore the challenges (and ineffectiveness) of super bills as well as a new solution (ThrizerPlus) that will help clients only pay what they owe. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on Thrizer
Curt and Katie talk with Raunak Sharma, owner of Thrizer, a modern payment processing app for private pay therapists. Thrizer is a modern payments solution built for therapists. You can charge clients securely, receive payments seamlessly, and enable insurance reimbursements automatically. We chat with Raunak about Thrizer as well as his perspective on the finances of therapy, specifically out of network billing. We explore the challenges (and ineffectiveness) of super bills as well as a new solution (ThrizerPlus) that will help clients only pay what they owe.
This is the Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, a series of special episodes to help modern therapists navigate products and services specifically designed for therapists and their clients. We dig deeply into the companies, the people, and the products and services so you can make smart decisions in building your practice and serving your clients.
Transcripts will be available on mtsgpodcast.com.
Interview with Raunak Sharma, Founder and CEO of Thrizer
Raunak is the Founder and CEO of Thrizer, a payments app for private pay therapists. A therapy-goer himself, he got tired of the struggle to leverage his out-of-network benefits and get reimbursed for his sessions, and wanted to build a solution to help both therapists and their clients. Thousands of therapists now use Thrizer daily to securely charge for appointments and upgrade their client experience.
In this podcast episode we talk about out of network billing and payment processing with Thrizer
Interview with Raunak Sharma, Thrizer
2:04 How did you decide to create Thrizer? How did you put together the business?
3:08 What are the values that guide your business and business decisions?
4:51 When therapists are putting together their private pay practice, what should they consider when designing their financial systems? (i.e., Private pay, Insurance-based, Out of network billing)
8:14 What does out of network billing involve?
10:34 What does out of network billing look like when using Thrizer?
12:59 What kind of out of network rates are people getting?
15:33 How often are clients wanting and able to use their out of network benefits?
18:49 How does Thrizer work?
21:22 How do you actually have enough information to create a claim?
24:22 How can you make a profit if you are only charging the 3% processing fee?
26:40 What is ThrizerPlus?
31:21 What makes Thrizer different than other payment processors and/or other out of network billers?
32:40 What’s still a work in progress at Thrizer?
34:04 Special offer from Thrizer for our Modern Therapist audience
Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of Thrizer
36:19 What do you see as the deciding factors when deciding whether to use Thrizer for payment processing and out of network billing (or not)?

A Special Offer for the listeners of Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast from Thrizer
Go to bit.ly/moderntherapists and use the code MODERNTHERAPISTS for free payment processing on your first $2,500 of payments.
Relevant Links:
Thrizer Website
Email: Raunak at thrizer.com
Social Media:
Thrizer on Instagram
Thrizer on Facebook
Thrizer on LinkedIn

Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on Thrizer</h1><p>Curt and Katie talk with Raunak Sharma, owner of Thrizer, a modern payment processing app for private pay therapists. Thrizer is a modern payments solution built for therapists. You can charge clients securely, receive payments seamlessly, and enable insurance reimbursements automatically. We chat with Raunak about Thrizer as well as his perspective on the finances of therapy, specifically out of network billing. We explore the challenges (and ineffectiveness) of super bills as well as a new solution (ThrizerPlus) that will help clients only pay what they owe.</p><p>This is the Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, a series of special episodes to help modern therapists navigate products and services specifically designed for therapists and their clients. We dig deeply into the companies, the people, and the products and services so you can make smart decisions in building your practice and serving your clients.</p><p>Transcripts will be available on mtsgpodcast.com.</p><h2>Interview with Raunak Sharma, Founder and CEO of Thrizer</h2><p>Raunak is the Founder and CEO of Thrizer, a payments app for private pay therapists. A therapy-goer himself, he got tired of the struggle to leverage his out-of-network benefits and get reimbursed for his sessions, and wanted to build a solution to help both therapists and their clients. Thousands of therapists now use Thrizer daily to securely charge for appointments and upgrade their client experience.</p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about out of network billing and payment processing with Thrizer</h2><h3>Interview with Raunak Sharma, Thrizer</h3><p>2:04 How did you decide to create Thrizer? How did you put together the business?</p><p>3:08 What are the values that guide your business and business decisions?</p><p>4:51 When therapists are putting together their private pay practice, what should they consider when designing their financial systems? (i.e., Private pay, Insurance-based, Out of network billing)</p><p>8:14 What does out of network billing involve?</p><p>10:34 What does out of network billing look like when using Thrizer?</p><p>12:59 What kind of out of network rates are people getting?</p><p>15:33 How often are clients wanting and able to use their out of network benefits?</p><p>18:49 How does Thrizer work?</p><p>21:22 How do you actually have enough information to create a claim?</p><p>24:22 How can you make a profit if you are only charging the 3% processing fee?</p><p>26:40 What is ThrizerPlus?</p><p>31:21 What makes Thrizer different than other payment processors and/or other out of network billers?</p><p>32:40 What’s still a work in progress at Thrizer?</p><p>34:04 Special offer from Thrizer for our Modern Therapist audience</p><h3>Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of Thrizer</h3><p>36:19 What do you see as the deciding factors when deciding whether to use Thrizer for payment processing and out of network billing (or not)?</p><p><br></p><h2>A Special Offer for the listeners of Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast from Thrizer</h2><p>Go to bit.ly/moderntherapists and use the code MODERNTHERAPISTS for free payment processing on your first $2,500 of payments.</p><p><u>Relevant Links</u>:</p><p><a href="http://bit.ly/moderntherapists">Thrizer Website</a></p><p>Email: Raunak at thrizer.com</p><p>Social Media:</p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/thrizer.app/">Thrizer on Instagram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/thrizerapp">Thrizer on Facebook</a></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/thrizer/">Thrizer on LinkedIn</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch:</h2><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com/">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com/">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How to Provide Culturally Appropriate Care for African American Families: An interview with Mercedes Samudio, LCSW</title>
      <description>How to Provide Culturally Appropriate Care for African American Families, An Interview with Mercedes Samudio, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Mercedes Samudio, LCSW, about working with African American Families. We talk about what therapists typically get wrong when working with these families, what therapists need to know about working with African American families, how to work cross culturally, and how both conscious and unconscious bias impact therapy.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can work with African American families more effectively
Our friend, Mercedes Samudio, LCSW, is researching how therapists can best support African American families. She is looking at how these clients are treated and how they traverse the mental health system to get healing.
What do therapists get wrong when working with African American Families?
·      Therapists will apply therapy universally to diverse groups that require nuance and different interventions
·      Therapists don't understand enough about African American families to understand the differences
What do therapists need to know about African American families?
·      There are differences between “Black” and “African American”
·      The impacts of the transatlantic slave trade
·      Cultural differences based on which country one is living in as well as how one travels as a human in their country of residence
How can therapists work cross-culturally with African American families?
·      Specialized training like Mercedes’ training: Engaging African American Families
·      Work with people who have expertise
·      Google alerts for
·      Understanding how you show up in the world, create an identity statement for all of the identities you have that are relevant to you, your social location
·      Talking about conscious and unconscious bias and identities throughout the therapy process
·      Understanding generational differences
How do conscious and unconscious bias impact therapy?
·      What we know we don’t like about people (conscious)
·      What may influence us from before we understand labels and differences
·      Prejudices that influence how we show up in the therapy room can cause conflict
·      Explore the conflict, explore the potential biases
·      Use tentative language (I wonder if this is showing up here or impacting our relationship)
·      Understanding how your identity often shows up socially can provide the therapist with fodder for exploring what bias may be present in the room
What are best practices for working with African American families?
·      Genograms are helpful to explore how everything impacts the family members and who they say are included in their families
·      Understanding how these families fit within their communities and who is involved with each of these families
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
https://shameproofparenting.com/

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <itunes:title>How to Provide Culturally Appropriate Care for African American Families, An Interview with Mercedes Samudio, LCSW</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Mercedes Samudio, LCSW, about working with African American Families. We talk about what therapists typically get wrong when working with these families, what therapists need to know about working with African American families, how to work cross culturally, and how both conscious and unconscious bias impact therapy.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How to Provide Culturally Appropriate Care for African American Families, An Interview with Mercedes Samudio, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Mercedes Samudio, LCSW, about working with African American Families. We talk about what therapists typically get wrong when working with these families, what therapists need to know about working with African American families, how to work cross culturally, and how both conscious and unconscious bias impact therapy.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can work with African American families more effectively
Our friend, Mercedes Samudio, LCSW, is researching how therapists can best support African American families. She is looking at how these clients are treated and how they traverse the mental health system to get healing.
What do therapists get wrong when working with African American Families?
·      Therapists will apply therapy universally to diverse groups that require nuance and different interventions
·      Therapists don't understand enough about African American families to understand the differences
What do therapists need to know about African American families?
·      There are differences between “Black” and “African American”
·      The impacts of the transatlantic slave trade
·      Cultural differences based on which country one is living in as well as how one travels as a human in their country of residence
How can therapists work cross-culturally with African American families?
·      Specialized training like Mercedes’ training: Engaging African American Families
·      Work with people who have expertise
·      Google alerts for
·      Understanding how you show up in the world, create an identity statement for all of the identities you have that are relevant to you, your social location
·      Talking about conscious and unconscious bias and identities throughout the therapy process
·      Understanding generational differences
How do conscious and unconscious bias impact therapy?
·      What we know we don’t like about people (conscious)
·      What may influence us from before we understand labels and differences
·      Prejudices that influence how we show up in the therapy room can cause conflict
·      Explore the conflict, explore the potential biases
·      Use tentative language (I wonder if this is showing up here or impacting our relationship)
·      Understanding how your identity often shows up socially can provide the therapist with fodder for exploring what bias may be present in the room
What are best practices for working with African American families?
·      Genograms are helpful to explore how everything impacts the family members and who they say are included in their families
·      Understanding how these families fit within their communities and who is involved with each of these families
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
https://shameproofparenting.com/

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How to Provide Culturally Appropriate Care for African American Families, An Interview with Mercedes Samudio, LCSW</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Mercedes Samudio, LCSW, about working with African American Families. We talk about what therapists typically get wrong when working with these families, what therapists need to know about working with African American families, how to work cross culturally, and how both conscious and unconscious bias impact therapy.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can work with African American families more effectively</h2><p>Our friend, Mercedes Samudio, LCSW, is researching how therapists can best support African American families. She is looking at how these clients are treated and how they traverse the mental health system to get healing.</p><h3>What do therapists get wrong when working with African American Families?</h3><p>·      Therapists will apply therapy universally to diverse groups that require nuance and different interventions</p><p>·      Therapists don't understand enough about African American families to understand the differences</p><h3>What do therapists need to know about African American families?</h3><p>·      There are differences between “Black” and “African American”</p><p>·      The impacts of the transatlantic slave trade</p><p>·      Cultural differences based on which country one is living in as well as how one travels as a human in their country of residence</p><h3>How can therapists work cross-culturally with African American families?</h3><p>·      Specialized training like Mercedes’ training: Engaging African American Families</p><p>·      Work with people who have expertise</p><p>·      Google alerts for</p><p>·      Understanding how you show up in the world, create an identity statement for all of the identities you have that are relevant to you, your social location</p><p>·      Talking about conscious and unconscious bias and identities throughout the therapy process</p><p>·      Understanding generational differences</p><h3>How do conscious and unconscious bias impact therapy?</h3><p>·      What we know we don’t like about people (conscious)</p><p>·      What may influence us from before we understand labels and differences</p><p>·      Prejudices that influence how we show up in the therapy room can cause conflict</p><p>·      Explore the conflict, explore the potential biases</p><p>·      Use tentative language (I wonder if this is showing up here or impacting our relationship)</p><p>·      Understanding how your identity often shows up socially can provide the therapist with fodder for exploring what bias may be present in the room</p><h3>What are best practices for working with African American families?</h3><p>·      Genograms are helpful to explore how everything impacts the family members and who they say are included in their families</p><p>·      Understanding how these families fit within their communities and who is involved with each of these families</p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://shameproofparenting.com/">https://shameproofparenting.com/</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>The Future is Now! Chatbots are Replacing Mental Health Workers</title>
      <description>The Future Is Now: Chatbots are Replacing Mental Health Workers
Curt and Katie chat about what happened with the National Eating Disorder Association and their chatbot, Tessa, as well as new prompts to make ChatGPT act like a CBT therapist. We also look at the risks related to chatbots taking over mental health and crisis services. We also discuss what therapists can do to safeguard their practices in the wake of the robot revolution.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about Tessa, the chatbot replacing NEDA hotline workers
After their hotline workers unionized, National Eating Disorder Association (NEDA) fired all of their hotline workers and replaced that service with Tessa, an AI chatbot. This chatbot quickly started telling folks seeking eating disorder assistance that dieting could be a good idea. There are already prompts folks are using to have ChatGPT act as your therapist. We decided we needed to talk about how the chatbots are coming for our jobs.
What happened with National Eating Disorder Association (NEDA) and Tessa?
·      The hotline workers unionized and were fired by the association and replaced with Tessa
·      Tessa is a prevention chatbot that was created to provide support to folk waiting for resources
·      Tessa was launched and when tried, provided harmful advice, and then was taken down
·      Now there is no crisis hotline or back up chat support offered by NEDA
What is the Tessa Chatbot?
·      An evidence-based practice was redesigned as conversations
·      Writing prompts and infographics to break up the text
·      Studies were done to see how it works and to fix some of the errors
What are the risks related to chatbots taking over mental health services?
·      There are now instructions for prompts to have ChatGPT act as a CBT therapist
·      As people interact with chatbots, they will add to the dataset, theoretically improving it
·      The concerns about the iterations, if unchecked, will become more and more harmful as it adopts human disordered thinking and language
·      Evidence-based practices are prime to be put into chatbots
·      The utility of the resources that chatbots can provide (including coping strategies and writing prompts)
What can therapists do to address the concerns of the robot revolution?
·      Understand the technology and pay attention to the innovation process
·      Look at where AI may not be able to replace immediately, focus your attention there in developing your skills
·      Intuitive leaps that humans make that AI may find too risky
·      Higher level risk assessment and more challenging diagnoses may be reserved for humans

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Future is Now! Chatbots are Replacing Mental Health Workers</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about what happened with the National Eating Disorder Association and their chatbot, Tessa, as well as new prompts to make ChatGPT act like a CBT therapist. We also look at the risks related to chatbots taking over mental health and crisis services. We also discuss what therapists can do to safeguard their practices in the wake of the robot revolution. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Future Is Now: Chatbots are Replacing Mental Health Workers
Curt and Katie chat about what happened with the National Eating Disorder Association and their chatbot, Tessa, as well as new prompts to make ChatGPT act like a CBT therapist. We also look at the risks related to chatbots taking over mental health and crisis services. We also discuss what therapists can do to safeguard their practices in the wake of the robot revolution.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about Tessa, the chatbot replacing NEDA hotline workers
After their hotline workers unionized, National Eating Disorder Association (NEDA) fired all of their hotline workers and replaced that service with Tessa, an AI chatbot. This chatbot quickly started telling folks seeking eating disorder assistance that dieting could be a good idea. There are already prompts folks are using to have ChatGPT act as your therapist. We decided we needed to talk about how the chatbots are coming for our jobs.
What happened with National Eating Disorder Association (NEDA) and Tessa?
·      The hotline workers unionized and were fired by the association and replaced with Tessa
·      Tessa is a prevention chatbot that was created to provide support to folk waiting for resources
·      Tessa was launched and when tried, provided harmful advice, and then was taken down
·      Now there is no crisis hotline or back up chat support offered by NEDA
What is the Tessa Chatbot?
·      An evidence-based practice was redesigned as conversations
·      Writing prompts and infographics to break up the text
·      Studies were done to see how it works and to fix some of the errors
What are the risks related to chatbots taking over mental health services?
·      There are now instructions for prompts to have ChatGPT act as a CBT therapist
·      As people interact with chatbots, they will add to the dataset, theoretically improving it
·      The concerns about the iterations, if unchecked, will become more and more harmful as it adopts human disordered thinking and language
·      Evidence-based practices are prime to be put into chatbots
·      The utility of the resources that chatbots can provide (including coping strategies and writing prompts)
What can therapists do to address the concerns of the robot revolution?
·      Understand the technology and pay attention to the innovation process
·      Look at where AI may not be able to replace immediately, focus your attention there in developing your skills
·      Intuitive leaps that humans make that AI may find too risky
·      Higher level risk assessment and more challenging diagnoses may be reserved for humans

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/

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        <![CDATA[<h1>The Future Is Now: Chatbots are Replacing Mental Health Workers</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about what happened with the National Eating Disorder Association and their chatbot, Tessa, as well as new prompts to make ChatGPT act like a CBT therapist. We also look at the risks related to chatbots taking over mental health and crisis services. We also discuss what therapists can do to safeguard their practices in the wake of the robot revolution.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about Tessa, the chatbot replacing NEDA hotline workers</h2><p>After their hotline workers unionized, National Eating Disorder Association (NEDA) fired all of their hotline workers and replaced that service with Tessa, an AI chatbot. This chatbot quickly started telling folks seeking eating disorder assistance that dieting could be a good idea. There are already prompts folks are using to have ChatGPT act as your therapist. We decided we needed to talk about how the chatbots are coming for our jobs.</p><h3>What happened with National Eating Disorder Association (NEDA) and Tessa?</h3><p>·      The hotline workers unionized and were fired by the association and replaced with Tessa</p><p>·      Tessa is a prevention chatbot that was created to provide support to folk waiting for resources</p><p>·      Tessa was launched and when tried, provided harmful advice, and then was taken down</p><p>·      Now there is no crisis hotline or back up chat support offered by NEDA</p><h3>What is the Tessa Chatbot?</h3><p>·      An evidence-based practice was redesigned as conversations</p><p>·      Writing prompts and infographics to break up the text</p><p>·      Studies were done to see how it works and to fix some of the errors</p><h3>What are the risks related to chatbots taking over mental health services?</h3><p>·      There are now instructions for prompts to have ChatGPT act as a CBT therapist</p><p>·      As people interact with chatbots, they will add to the dataset, theoretically improving it</p><p>·      The concerns about the iterations, if unchecked, will become more and more harmful as it adopts human disordered thinking and language</p><p>·      Evidence-based practices are prime to be put into chatbots</p><p>·      The utility of the resources that chatbots can provide (including coping strategies and writing prompts)</p><h3>What can therapists do to address the concerns of the robot revolution?</h3><p>·      Understand the technology and pay attention to the innovation process</p><p>·      Look at where AI may not be able to replace immediately, focus your attention there in developing your skills</p><p>·      Intuitive leaps that humans make that AI may find too risky</p><p>·      Higher level risk assessment and more challenging diagnoses may be reserved for humans</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p><br></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>The Sky is Falling: How Therapists Can Protect Our Industry, Patient-Centered Care, and Our Businesses, An Interview with Dr. Ajita Robinson</title>
      <description>The Sky is Falling: How Therapists Can Protect Our Industry, Patient-Centered Care, and Our Businesses, An Interview with Dr. Ajita Robinson
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ajita Robinson about innovation within the mental health industry that could threaten therapists in private practice. We chat about Value Based Care in insurance, insurance credentialing companies, and big tech disruptors. We also talk with Dr. Ajita (an income strategist) about ways that therapists can diversify their income leveraging both their license AND their knowledge, to try to mitigate these risks to our businesses.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can protect our profession
With the changes to our industry, we thought it would be important to talk with Dr. Ajita Robinson, an income strategist and insurance expert, about how therapists can weather the storm. 
What are the threats to the mental health industry?
·      Big tech companies innovating in our space, with a focus on efficiency
·      Value-based insurance billing
·      Credentialing and billing services (like Alma and Headway) moving us out of direct communication with insurance companies
How can therapists leverage their skills for alternative revenue streams?
·      Understanding what other types of services can therapists provide
·      Clarifying when we’re leveraging our knowledge versus leveraging our license
·      Identifying problems that we’re best situated to solve
·      Entering the self-help industry
How can therapists get started when they are ready to leverage alternative revenue?
·      Identifying the problem you solve rather than the transformation you want to provide
·      Understanding what your target client has already tried
·      Knowing what the barriers are for them to solve their problem
·      Clarifying who is the customer and who is the consumer
·      Contracting with schools, cities, etc. is possible for therapists to increase income
·      Accessing resources and experts to help you do what you need to do
·      Distinguishing when to start a separate business
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Dr. Ajita’s website
Dr. Ajita Robinson’s book: The Gift Of Grief: A Practical Guide On Grief And Loss​
Facebook: facebook.com/drajita
Instagram: instagram.com/dr.ajitarobinson
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/ajitarobinson
Facebook group: Purposeful &amp; Profitable Therapist Community
Purposeful and Profitable Summit in July

Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Private Practice Planning for the Future of Mental Healthcare: An interview with Maureen Werrbach
Post-Pandemic Practice
Is AI Smart for Your Therapy Practice?

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Sky is Falling: How Therapists Can Protect Our Industry, Patient-Centered Care, and Our Businesses, An Interview with Dr. Ajita Robinson</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ajita Robinson about innovation within the mental health industry that could threaten therapists in private practice. We chat about Value Based Care in insurance, insurance credentialing companies, and big tech disruptors. We also talk with Dr. Ajita (an income strategist) about ways that therapists can diversify their income leveraging both their license AND their knowledge, to try to mitigate these risks to our businesses.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Sky is Falling: How Therapists Can Protect Our Industry, Patient-Centered Care, and Our Businesses, An Interview with Dr. Ajita Robinson
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ajita Robinson about innovation within the mental health industry that could threaten therapists in private practice. We chat about Value Based Care in insurance, insurance credentialing companies, and big tech disruptors. We also talk with Dr. Ajita (an income strategist) about ways that therapists can diversify their income leveraging both their license AND their knowledge, to try to mitigate these risks to our businesses.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can protect our profession
With the changes to our industry, we thought it would be important to talk with Dr. Ajita Robinson, an income strategist and insurance expert, about how therapists can weather the storm. 
What are the threats to the mental health industry?
·      Big tech companies innovating in our space, with a focus on efficiency
·      Value-based insurance billing
·      Credentialing and billing services (like Alma and Headway) moving us out of direct communication with insurance companies
How can therapists leverage their skills for alternative revenue streams?
·      Understanding what other types of services can therapists provide
·      Clarifying when we’re leveraging our knowledge versus leveraging our license
·      Identifying problems that we’re best situated to solve
·      Entering the self-help industry
How can therapists get started when they are ready to leverage alternative revenue?
·      Identifying the problem you solve rather than the transformation you want to provide
·      Understanding what your target client has already tried
·      Knowing what the barriers are for them to solve their problem
·      Clarifying who is the customer and who is the consumer
·      Contracting with schools, cities, etc. is possible for therapists to increase income
·      Accessing resources and experts to help you do what you need to do
·      Distinguishing when to start a separate business
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Dr. Ajita’s website
Dr. Ajita Robinson’s book: The Gift Of Grief: A Practical Guide On Grief And Loss​
Facebook: facebook.com/drajita
Instagram: instagram.com/dr.ajitarobinson
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/ajitarobinson
Facebook group: Purposeful &amp; Profitable Therapist Community
Purposeful and Profitable Summit in July

Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Private Practice Planning for the Future of Mental Healthcare: An interview with Maureen Werrbach
Post-Pandemic Practice
Is AI Smart for Your Therapy Practice?

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>The Sky is Falling: How Therapists Can Protect Our Industry, Patient-Centered Care, and Our Businesses, An Interview with Dr. Ajita Robinson</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ajita Robinson about innovation within the mental health industry that could threaten therapists in private practice. We chat about Value Based Care in insurance, insurance credentialing companies, and big tech disruptors. We also talk with Dr. Ajita (an income strategist) about ways that therapists can diversify their income leveraging both their license AND their knowledge, to try to mitigate these risks to our businesses.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can protect our profession</h2><p>With the changes to our industry, we thought it would be important to talk with Dr. Ajita Robinson, an income strategist and insurance expert, about how therapists can weather the storm. </p><h3>What are the threats to the mental health industry?</h3><p>·      Big tech companies innovating in our space, with a focus on efficiency</p><p>·      Value-based insurance billing</p><p>·      Credentialing and billing services (like Alma and Headway) moving us out of direct communication with insurance companies</p><h3>How can therapists leverage their skills for alternative revenue streams?</h3><p>·      Understanding what other types of services can therapists provide</p><p>·      Clarifying when we’re leveraging our knowledge versus leveraging our license</p><p>·      Identifying problems that we’re best situated to solve</p><p>·      Entering the self-help industry</p><h3>How can therapists get started when they are ready to leverage alternative revenue?</h3><p>·      Identifying the problem you solve rather than the transformation you want to provide</p><p>·      Understanding what your target client has already tried</p><p>·      Knowing what the barriers are for them to solve their problem</p><p>·      Clarifying who is the customer and who is the consumer</p><p>·      Contracting with schools, cities, etc. is possible for therapists to increase income</p><p>·      Accessing resources and experts to help you do what you need to do</p><p>·      Distinguishing when to start a separate business</p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="http://www.ajitarobinson.com/">Dr. Ajita’s website</a></p><p>Dr. Ajita Robinson’s book: <a href="https://ajitarobinson.com/book/">The Gift Of Grief: A Practical Guide On Grief And Loss​</a></p><p>Facebook: <a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://facebook.com/drajita&amp;sa=D&amp;source=calendar&amp;usd=2&amp;usg=AOvVaw3d3J1YDcFUWbNnLkSP1I5u">facebook.com/drajita</a></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://instagram.com/dr.ajitarobinson&amp;sa=D&amp;source=calendar&amp;usd=2&amp;usg=AOvVaw37SpaSGxPdtXxrCJAbeDfh">instagram.com/dr.ajitarobinson</a></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://linkedin.com/ajitarobinson&amp;sa=D&amp;source=calendar&amp;usd=2&amp;usg=AOvVaw1hnHFFrPAq5ORKeakgTyc6">linkedin.com/ajitarobinson</a></p><p>Facebook group: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/1020134275319427">Purposeful &amp; Profitable Therapist Community</a></p><p><a href="https://thelegacywellnesslounge.com/purposeful-profitable-therapist-summit-2023/?ref=146&amp;campaign=PPTS2023Summit">Purposeful and Profitable Summit in July</a></p><p><br></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/private-practice-planning-for-the-future-of-mental-healthcare-an-interview-with-maureen-werrbach/">Private Practice Planning for the Future of Mental Healthcare: An interview with Maureen Werrbach</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/post-pandemic-practice/">Post-Pandemic Practice</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/is-ai-smart-for-your-therapy-practice-the-ethics-of-artificial-intelligence-in-therapy/">Is AI Smart for Your Therapy Practice?</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>How Do Therapists Develop?</title>
      <description>How Do Therapists Develop?
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can be rigid in their thinking at times and then seem to be performing mental gymnastics at other times. We look at the developmental stages of therapists (drawing from William Perry’s work) and identify where therapists get stuck, where they often regress, rebel, or sink into compliance.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about what typical development looks like for therapists
Therapists go through developmental stages just like everyone else. We thought it would be good to look at how therapists can get stuck in rigidity (or do mental gymnastics) at early stages of development.
How can therapists be both rigid AND do mental gymnastics?
·      Therapists employ mental gymnastics when they are trying to put together conflicting ideas and solve all of the problems in the field, individually
·      Rigidity can happen when people have “figured out” their own choices and believe that everyone should do what they do
·      Under-resourced and under-motivated folks can often get very rigid
How do William Perry’s developmental stages apply to therapist development?
·      First stage is dualism (i.e., right or wrong), everything is fixable or solvable (grad school students wanting to know what to do)
·      Second stage is about finding the right authority to listen to (i.e., sticking very tightly to a specific modality)
·      Third stage, early multiplicity, which is getting to the stage where therapists start to know what they don’t know
·      Fourth stage, late multiplicity, most problems have solutions we don’t know, people can have their own opinions, and some problems can’t be solved. This is a very uncomfortable stage.
·      There are additional stages mentioned in the episode, we focus on Stage 4
·      When people get stuck at stage 4, they are likely to regress to early stages (and become more rigid) or they are likely to rebel, or play the game
What are the concerns with therapists at earlier stages not moving through to later stages?
·      Therapist Facebook groups may support stage 4 and earlier therapists providing dualistic or simplistic questions and answers leading to shortsighted
·      Difficulty looking at any opposing voices due to rigidity or rebellion or compliance
How can therapists avoid rigidity in their thinking (or rebellion, or compliance)?
·      Providing space to understand the options
·      Employing critical thinking
·      Deeper thought about what you’re doing and why you’re doing it
·      Explore context and have conversations with folks further along in their development
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
William Perry’s Scheme of Intellectual and Mental Development
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>How Do Therapists Develop?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can be rigid in their thinking at times and then seem to be performing mental gymnastics at other times. We look at the developmental stages of therapists (drawing from William Perry’s work) and identify where therapists get stuck, where they often regress, rebel, or sink into compliance.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Do Therapists Develop?
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can be rigid in their thinking at times and then seem to be performing mental gymnastics at other times. We look at the developmental stages of therapists (drawing from William Perry’s work) and identify where therapists get stuck, where they often regress, rebel, or sink into compliance.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about what typical development looks like for therapists
Therapists go through developmental stages just like everyone else. We thought it would be good to look at how therapists can get stuck in rigidity (or do mental gymnastics) at early stages of development.
How can therapists be both rigid AND do mental gymnastics?
·      Therapists employ mental gymnastics when they are trying to put together conflicting ideas and solve all of the problems in the field, individually
·      Rigidity can happen when people have “figured out” their own choices and believe that everyone should do what they do
·      Under-resourced and under-motivated folks can often get very rigid
How do William Perry’s developmental stages apply to therapist development?
·      First stage is dualism (i.e., right or wrong), everything is fixable or solvable (grad school students wanting to know what to do)
·      Second stage is about finding the right authority to listen to (i.e., sticking very tightly to a specific modality)
·      Third stage, early multiplicity, which is getting to the stage where therapists start to know what they don’t know
·      Fourth stage, late multiplicity, most problems have solutions we don’t know, people can have their own opinions, and some problems can’t be solved. This is a very uncomfortable stage.
·      There are additional stages mentioned in the episode, we focus on Stage 4
·      When people get stuck at stage 4, they are likely to regress to early stages (and become more rigid) or they are likely to rebel, or play the game
What are the concerns with therapists at earlier stages not moving through to later stages?
·      Therapist Facebook groups may support stage 4 and earlier therapists providing dualistic or simplistic questions and answers leading to shortsighted
·      Difficulty looking at any opposing voices due to rigidity or rebellion or compliance
How can therapists avoid rigidity in their thinking (or rebellion, or compliance)?
·      Providing space to understand the options
·      Employing critical thinking
·      Deeper thought about what you’re doing and why you’re doing it
·      Explore context and have conversations with folks further along in their development
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
William Perry’s Scheme of Intellectual and Mental Development
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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      <title>Teaching Wisdom: Best practices for decision-making to support your clients</title>
      <description>Teaching Wisdom: Best practices for decision-making to support your clients
Curt and Katie chat about decision-making best practices. We look at how we make decisions, what the decision-making process looks like, what can get in the way of effective decision-making, and how therapists can support their clients in making the best possible decisions.
This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can support clients in decision-making
When therapists are asked “what do I do?!?” by their clients, we can often redirect our clients back and encourage them to make their own decisions. But what if we could provide them with best practices to support their decision-making process? This workshop is designed to help therapists learn more about how people typically make decisions, the cultural differences that can show up in the decision-making process, and best practices to support clients in making informed decisions.
How do we make decisions?
·      We don’t often choose what is in our best interest
·      Emotions, mood, bias impact how we make decisions
·      The DBT concept of Wise Mind, is a strong space to make decision
·      Individual differences, including age, generation, family structures
·      Cultural differences, including individualistic versus collectivist, tight or loose cultures (how many norms and how strictly they are enforced), cognitive style (wholistic versus analytic)
·      Intersectionality also plays a part in how these factors can impact decision-making
What does the decision-making process look like?
·      Does a decision need to be made?
·      Who/what makes this decision?
·      How is the decision?
·      How much time and energy are invested in the decision-making?
·      What are the alternatives?
·      What could happen if the decision is implemented?
·      What would happen if I make this decision?
·      What values are relevant?
·      What are the tradeoffs?
·      How acceptable is this decision to the people around me?
·      Implementation
What can get in the way of effective decision-making?
·      How someone has been parented
·      Mental health concerns like anxiety
·      Cognitive biases like confirmation bias, anchoring, and availability bias
·      Misalignment with values
·      Errors from Decisive by Dan and Chip Heath: narrow framing, confirmation bias, short-term emotions, overconfidence
·      Defensive decision-making when there is a lack of resources or safety
·      Low sleep impacts both at overall cognitive and metacognitive levels
What are best practices for decision-making?
·      Looking at opportunities for moral development when there are misalignments or conflicts between core values when making a decision
·      From Decisive: WRAP techniques to improve decision-making
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
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Continuing Education Information
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      <pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Teaching Wisdom: Best practices for decision-making to support your clients</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about decision-making best practices. We look at how we make decisions, what the decision-making process looks like, what can get in the way of effective decision-making, and how therapists can support their clients in making the best possible decisions.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Teaching Wisdom: Best practices for decision-making to support your clients
Curt and Katie chat about decision-making best practices. We look at how we make decisions, what the decision-making process looks like, what can get in the way of effective decision-making, and how therapists can support their clients in making the best possible decisions.
This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can support clients in decision-making
When therapists are asked “what do I do?!?” by their clients, we can often redirect our clients back and encourage them to make their own decisions. But what if we could provide them with best practices to support their decision-making process? This workshop is designed to help therapists learn more about how people typically make decisions, the cultural differences that can show up in the decision-making process, and best practices to support clients in making informed decisions.
How do we make decisions?
·      We don’t often choose what is in our best interest
·      Emotions, mood, bias impact how we make decisions
·      The DBT concept of Wise Mind, is a strong space to make decision
·      Individual differences, including age, generation, family structures
·      Cultural differences, including individualistic versus collectivist, tight or loose cultures (how many norms and how strictly they are enforced), cognitive style (wholistic versus analytic)
·      Intersectionality also plays a part in how these factors can impact decision-making
What does the decision-making process look like?
·      Does a decision need to be made?
·      Who/what makes this decision?
·      How is the decision?
·      How much time and energy are invested in the decision-making?
·      What are the alternatives?
·      What could happen if the decision is implemented?
·      What would happen if I make this decision?
·      What values are relevant?
·      What are the tradeoffs?
·      How acceptable is this decision to the people around me?
·      Implementation
What can get in the way of effective decision-making?
·      How someone has been parented
·      Mental health concerns like anxiety
·      Cognitive biases like confirmation bias, anchoring, and availability bias
·      Misalignment with values
·      Errors from Decisive by Dan and Chip Heath: narrow framing, confirmation bias, short-term emotions, overconfidence
·      Defensive decision-making when there is a lack of resources or safety
·      Low sleep impacts both at overall cognitive and metacognitive levels
What are best practices for decision-making?
·      Looking at opportunities for moral development when there are misalignments or conflicts between core values when making a decision
·      From Decisive: WRAP techniques to improve decision-making
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Teaching Wisdom: Best practices for decision-making to support your clients</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about decision-making best practices. We look at how we make decisions, what the decision-making process looks like, what can get in the way of effective decision-making, and how therapists can support their clients in making the best possible decisions.</p><p>This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can support clients in decision-making</h2><p>When therapists are asked “what do I do?!?” by their clients, we can often redirect our clients back and encourage them to make their own decisions. But what if we could provide them with best practices to support their decision-making process? This workshop is designed to help therapists learn more about how people typically make decisions, the cultural differences that can show up in the decision-making process, and best practices to support clients in making informed decisions.</p><h3>How do we make decisions?</h3><p>·      We don’t often choose what is in our best interest</p><p>·      Emotions, mood, bias impact how we make decisions</p><p>·      The DBT concept of Wise Mind, is a strong space to make decision</p><p>·      Individual differences, including age, generation, family structures</p><p>·      Cultural differences, including individualistic versus collectivist, tight or loose cultures (how many norms and how strictly they are enforced), cognitive style (wholistic versus analytic)</p><p>·      Intersectionality also plays a part in how these factors can impact decision-making</p><h3>What does the decision-making process look like?</h3><p>·      Does a decision need to be made?</p><p>·      Who/what makes this decision?</p><p>·      How is the decision?</p><p>·      How much time and energy are invested in the decision-making?</p><p>·      What are the alternatives?</p><p>·      What could happen if the decision is implemented?</p><p>·      What would happen if I make this decision?</p><p>·      What values are relevant?</p><p>·      What are the tradeoffs?</p><p>·      How acceptable is this decision to the people around me?</p><p>·      Implementation</p><h3>What can get in the way of effective decision-making?</h3><p>·      How someone has been parented</p><p>·      Mental health concerns like anxiety</p><p>·      Cognitive biases like confirmation bias, anchoring, and availability bias</p><p>·      Misalignment with values</p><p>·      Errors from Decisive by Dan and Chip Heath: narrow framing, confirmation bias, short-term emotions, overconfidence</p><p>·      Defensive decision-making when there is a lack of resources or safety</p><p>·      Low sleep impacts both at overall cognitive and metacognitive levels</p><h3>What are best practices for decision-making?</h3><p>·      Looking at opportunities for moral development when there are misalignments or conflicts between core values when making a decision</p><p>·      From Decisive: WRAP techniques to improve decision-making</p><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><p>You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a></p><h3>Continuing Education Approvals:</h3><p><a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Does Your Social Media Make You Look Like a Bad Therapist?</title>
      <description>Does Your Social Media Make You Look Like a Bad Therapist?
Curt and Katie chat about therapists putting out advice on social media. We look at how bad this advice can be and when it can even be harmful. We talk about what makes this advice bad and what to do instead.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about therapist influencers giving advice on social media
We look at really bad relationship advice that seems to proliferate on social media by therapist influencers.
Why is the advice oftentimes bad from therapists on social media?
·      Micro-validation of what clients are already believing about themselves or their partners
·      Lack of context and very specific related to your target client (but seen by all folks)
·      Focusing on the people around the person reading the post, rather than the reader themselves
·      Single posts that go viral or reach wider audiences may be misconstrued or taken out of context
What is the potential for harm for the therapy profession?
·      Bad advice = bad therapist, which can be generalized to all therapists
·      Harmful advice can lead to harm in the wider population
·      Saying that you’re speaking for all of mental health (when it is actually not grounded in the evidence base)
·      It is hard to distill nuanced information in very short timeframes
What should therapists do to improve their social media posts?
·      Citing sources rather than standing out as a sole expert
·      Grounding self in the evidence base or recognized psychological knowledge
·      Talking to clients about what they can do, rather than how to judge the people around them
·      Designing the content to be engaging, but also tie back to longer form content that can have more nuance and context
·      Each post has to stand alone, with sufficient context
·      Identifying questions or considerations for folks to look at (versus definitive statements)
What are the concerns with therapists being too limited with what they share on social media?
·      Not providing information that can help folks in abusive relationships
·      Coaches and “fake therapists” may be the only people in the space, putting out even worse advice
What are the characteristics of very bad social media advice?
·      Rigidity in perspective
·      Equating hurt and abuse
·      Overusing pop psychology terms like “trauma bond”
·      Giving overarching, single tactic coping advice that can be harmful for many folks
·      Putting things very definitively, without nuance related
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend
Has Therapy Become the New Religion
What Can Therapists Say About Celebrities: The ethics of public statements

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
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Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>Does Your Social Media Make You Look Like a Bad Therapist?
Curt and Katie chat about therapists putting out advice on social media. We look at how bad this advice can be and when it can even be harmful. We talk about what makes this advice bad and what to do instead.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about therapist influencers giving advice on social media
We look at really bad relationship advice that seems to proliferate on social media by therapist influencers.
Why is the advice oftentimes bad from therapists on social media?
·      Micro-validation of what clients are already believing about themselves or their partners
·      Lack of context and very specific related to your target client (but seen by all folks)
·      Focusing on the people around the person reading the post, rather than the reader themselves
·      Single posts that go viral or reach wider audiences may be misconstrued or taken out of context
What is the potential for harm for the therapy profession?
·      Bad advice = bad therapist, which can be generalized to all therapists
·      Harmful advice can lead to harm in the wider population
·      Saying that you’re speaking for all of mental health (when it is actually not grounded in the evidence base)
·      It is hard to distill nuanced information in very short timeframes
What should therapists do to improve their social media posts?
·      Citing sources rather than standing out as a sole expert
·      Grounding self in the evidence base or recognized psychological knowledge
·      Talking to clients about what they can do, rather than how to judge the people around them
·      Designing the content to be engaging, but also tie back to longer form content that can have more nuance and context
·      Each post has to stand alone, with sufficient context
·      Identifying questions or considerations for folks to look at (versus definitive statements)
What are the concerns with therapists being too limited with what they share on social media?
·      Not providing information that can help folks in abusive relationships
·      Coaches and “fake therapists” may be the only people in the space, putting out even worse advice
What are the characteristics of very bad social media advice?
·      Rigidity in perspective
·      Equating hurt and abuse
·      Overusing pop psychology terms like “trauma bond”
·      Giving overarching, single tactic coping advice that can be harmful for many folks
·      Putting things very definitively, without nuance related
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend
Has Therapy Become the New Religion
What Can Therapists Say About Celebrities: The ethics of public statements

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Does Your Social Media Make You Look Like a Bad Therapist?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about therapists putting out advice on social media. We look at how bad this advice can be and when it can even be harmful. We talk about what makes this advice bad and what to do instead.  </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about therapist influencers giving advice on social media</h2><p>We look at really bad relationship advice that seems to proliferate on social media by therapist influencers.</p><h3>Why is the advice oftentimes bad from therapists on social media?</h3><p>·      Micro-validation of what clients are already believing about themselves or their partners</p><p>·      Lack of context and very specific related to your target client (but seen by all folks)</p><p>·      Focusing on the people around the person reading the post, rather than the reader themselves</p><p>·      Single posts that go viral or reach wider audiences may be misconstrued or taken out of context</p><h3>What is the potential for harm for the therapy profession?</h3><p>·      Bad advice = bad therapist, which can be generalized to all therapists</p><p>·      Harmful advice can lead to harm in the wider population</p><p>·      Saying that you’re speaking for all of mental health (when it is actually not grounded in the evidence base)</p><p>·      It is hard to distill nuanced information in very short timeframes</p><h3>What should therapists do to improve their social media posts?</h3><p>·      Citing sources rather than standing out as a sole expert</p><p>·      Grounding self in the evidence base or recognized psychological knowledge</p><p>·      Talking to clients about what they can do, rather than how to judge the people around them</p><p>·      Designing the content to be engaging, but also tie back to longer form content that can have more nuance and context</p><p>·      Each post has to stand alone, with sufficient context</p><p>·      Identifying questions or considerations for folks to look at (versus definitive statements)</p><h3>What are the concerns with therapists being too limited with what they share on social media?</h3><p>·      Not providing information that can help folks in abusive relationships</p><p>·      Coaches and “fake therapists” may be the only people in the space, putting out even worse advice</p><h3>What are the characteristics of very bad social media advice?</h3><p class="ql-align-justify">·      Rigidity in perspective</p><p class="ql-align-justify">·      Equating hurt and abuse</p><p class="ql-align-justify">·      Overusing pop psychology terms like “trauma bond”</p><p class="ql-align-justify">·      Giving overarching, single tactic coping advice that can be harmful for many folks</p><p class="ql-align-justify">·      Putting things very definitively, without nuance related</p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/navigating-the-social-media-self-diagnosis-trend/">Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/has-therapy-become-the-new-religion/">Has Therapy Become the New Religion</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/what-can-therapists-say-about-celebrities-the-ethics-of-public-statements/">What Can Therapists Say About Celebrities: The ethics of public statements</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Oklahoma Bureaucrats Want Your Mental Health Records</title>
      <description>Oklahoma Bureaucrats Want Your Mental Health Records
Curt and Katie chat about some Oklahoma legislation about health information exchange. We talk about what a health information exchange is, the concerns with Oklahoma’s legislation related to health information exchange, and how therapists can advocate effectively (as modern therapists in Oklahoma have done).   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about new Oklahoma legislation
We look at “coordinated care” and the problems that could ensue if therapists are required to participate in the health information exchange.
What are health information exchanges?
·       A central location for all health providers to chart to help with coordination of care
·       Psychotherapy notes are not required to be put into these systems, but diagnosis, treatment dates, and prescriptions seem to be required.
·       Patients can opt out of this information being shared, but it will still be stored in these databases
What are the concerns with the new Oklahoma legislation related to health information exchange?
·       Oklahoma is now asking to put medical information into a system regardless of whether they are on Medicaid or any other type of service as well as for folks who are paying out of pocket
·       The price tag of connecting to this system is high
·       The confusion around whether therapists are “medical providers” or not
·       Interstate practice can be impacted
What can therapists do to understand and impact legislation?
·       Acknowledge that we’re healthcare providers to stay aware of responsibilities
·       Watching legislation that is relevant
·       Being involved in your professional organization or member benefit organization, so you know that there is someone watching for these types of legislation and prepped for advocacy
·       Advocacy and activism within these orgs as well as individual and small group advocacy
·       Understanding the concerns related to lack of privacy for clients
·       All 50 states have a health information exchange, so all clinicians need to pay attention
·       Paying attention from the bill writing process all the way through implementation
·       Going to public meetings to provide feedback on implementation
·       Donate to your professional association’s Political Action Committees
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Oklahoma Providers for Privacy
Keeping Oklahomans' Mental Health Records Confidential
Lawmaker says concerns about Oklahoma health information exchange 'unfounded'
State board approves health information exchange rules despite pushback
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
What Goes in Your Notes (About Abortion and Gender Affirming Care)?
The January 2022 Surprise of Good Faith Estimates
Is the Counseling Compact Good For Therapists?
Joining Your Association
Let’s Get Political: An interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT
Now Modern Therapists Have to Document Every F-ing Thing?

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Oklahoma Bureaucrats Want Your Mental Health Records</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Oklahoma Bureaucrats Want Your Mental Health Records
Curt and Katie chat about some Oklahoma legislation about health information exchange. We talk about what a health information exchange is, the concerns with Oklahoma’s legislation related to health information exchange, and how therapists can advocate effectively (as modern therapists in Oklahoma have done).   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about new Oklahoma legislation
We look at “coordinated care” and the problems that could ensue if therapists are required to participate in the health information exchange.
What are health information exchanges?
·       A central location for all health providers to chart to help with coordination of care
·       Psychotherapy notes are not required to be put into these systems, but diagnosis, treatment dates, and prescriptions seem to be required.
·       Patients can opt out of this information being shared, but it will still be stored in these databases
What are the concerns with the new Oklahoma legislation related to health information exchange?
·       Oklahoma is now asking to put medical information into a system regardless of whether they are on Medicaid or any other type of service as well as for folks who are paying out of pocket
·       The price tag of connecting to this system is high
·       The confusion around whether therapists are “medical providers” or not
·       Interstate practice can be impacted
What can therapists do to understand and impact legislation?
·       Acknowledge that we’re healthcare providers to stay aware of responsibilities
·       Watching legislation that is relevant
·       Being involved in your professional organization or member benefit organization, so you know that there is someone watching for these types of legislation and prepped for advocacy
·       Advocacy and activism within these orgs as well as individual and small group advocacy
·       Understanding the concerns related to lack of privacy for clients
·       All 50 states have a health information exchange, so all clinicians need to pay attention
·       Paying attention from the bill writing process all the way through implementation
·       Going to public meetings to provide feedback on implementation
·       Donate to your professional association’s Political Action Committees
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Oklahoma Providers for Privacy
Keeping Oklahomans' Mental Health Records Confidential
Lawmaker says concerns about Oklahoma health information exchange 'unfounded'
State board approves health information exchange rules despite pushback
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
What Goes in Your Notes (About Abortion and Gender Affirming Care)?
The January 2022 Surprise of Good Faith Estimates
Is the Counseling Compact Good For Therapists?
Joining Your Association
Let’s Get Political: An interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT
Now Modern Therapists Have to Document Every F-ing Thing?

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Oklahoma Bureaucrats Want Your Mental Health Records</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about some Oklahoma legislation about health information exchange. We talk about what a health information exchange is, the concerns with Oklahoma’s legislation related to health information exchange, and how therapists can advocate effectively (as modern therapists in Oklahoma have done).   </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about new Oklahoma legislation</h2><p>We look at “coordinated care” and the problems that could ensue if therapists are required to participate in the health information exchange.</p><h3>What are health information exchanges?</h3><p>·       A central location for all health providers to chart to help with coordination of care</p><p>·       Psychotherapy notes are not required to be put into these systems, but diagnosis, treatment dates, and prescriptions seem to be required.</p><p>·       Patients can opt out of this information being shared, but it will still be stored in these databases</p><h3>What are the concerns with the new Oklahoma legislation related to health information exchange?</h3><p>·       Oklahoma is now asking to put medical information into a system regardless of whether they are on Medicaid or any other type of service as well as for folks who are paying out of pocket</p><p>·       The price tag of connecting to this system is high</p><p>·       The confusion around whether therapists are “medical providers” or not</p><p>·       Interstate practice can be impacted</p><h3>What can therapists do to understand and impact legislation?</h3><p>·       Acknowledge that we’re healthcare providers to stay aware of responsibilities</p><p>·       Watching legislation that is relevant</p><p>·       Being involved in your professional organization or member benefit organization, so you know that there is someone watching for these types of legislation and prepped for advocacy</p><p>·       Advocacy and activism within these orgs as well as individual and small group advocacy</p><p>·       Understanding the concerns related to lack of privacy for clients</p><p>·       All 50 states have a health information exchange, so all clinicians need to pay attention</p><p>·       Paying attention from the bill writing process all the way through implementation</p><p>·       Going to public meetings to provide feedback on implementation</p><p>·       Donate to your professional association’s Political Action Committees</p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090106203024">Oklahoma Providers for Privacy</a></p><p><a href="https://www.counselinginstitute.org/mental-health-in-oklahoma?fbclid=IwAR0UfWfkiBzHkj_oCfGTuMARXodnXe4paI-XXxbiky9wyQEiMcqvR7_ZTVc#Press_Conference">Keeping Oklahomans' Mental Health Records Confidential</a></p><p><a href="https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/lawmaker-says-concerns-about-oklahoma-health-information-exchange-unfounded/article_0efc8124-c801-11ed-b7e1-eb89d406de09.html">Lawmaker says concerns about Oklahoma health information exchange 'unfounded'</a></p><p><a href="https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/state-board-approves-health-information-exchange-rules-despite-pushback/article_3e61069a-c8bc-11ed-92d4-abf26ee27dc5.html">State board approves health information exchange rules despite pushback</a></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/what-goes-in-your-notes-interstate-therapy-practice-and-documentation-for-clients-considering-abortion-or-gender-affirming-care/">What Goes in Your Notes (About Abortion and Gender Affirming Care)?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/the-january-2022-surprise-of-good-faith-estimates-requirements/">The January 2022 Surprise of Good Faith Estimates</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/is-the-counseling-compact-good-for-therapists/">Is the Counseling Compact Good For Therapists?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/joining-your-association/">Joining Your Association</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/lets-get-political/">Let’s Get Political: An interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/now-modern-therapists-need-to-document-every-fcking-thing-in-our-progress-notes/">Now Modern Therapists Have to Document Every F-ing Thing?</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Making Every Therapy Practice Profitable: An Interview with Julie Herres</title>
      <description>Making Every Therapy Practice Profitable: An Interview with Julie Herres
Curt and Katie interview Julie Herres of GreenOak Accounting about her new book, Profit First for Therapists. We explore what profit first is, the unique challenges that therapist face in implementing profit first, the core principles of profit first, mistakes therapists make in implementation, and the benefits of using this bookkeeping model.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about the profit first method specific to therapy practices
Therapists often struggle with their money, oftentimes forgetting to pull out profit or paying themselves. One accounting system that helps therapists to better manage their money is Profit First. Our friend, Julie Herres, has written a book about this system with specific information for how this accounting system applies to therapists.
What is Profit First?
·      Focusing on profit as a given number in your accounting
·      You identify the profit you need FIRST to determine what you can spend on your expenses
·      An accounting system created by Mike Michalowicz
What are the unique challenges that therapists face in implementing profit first?
·      Therapist guilt and emotional processes that get in the way of therapists mastering the money in their businesses
·      The stages of change that go into realigning your budget to stabilize your finances in your business and personal life
The core principles of Profit First
·      “Use a smaller plate” so you spend less money. You add bank accounts, so each is smaller to divide out your profit, expenses, pay, and taxes.
·      “Serve sequentially” – to the different bank accounts
·      “Remove temptation” – the idea is that you won’t use money that is in a labeled account for something else.
·      “Enforce a rhythm” – moving money consistently, to help see the ebb and flow of money in the business.
Mistakes therapists often make in implementing Profit First
·      Not changing spending habits
·      Changing too much too quickly
·      Not creating separate bank accounts (this is a key to success)
The benefits of using Profit First in your therapy practice
·      Understanding where your money is going
·      Planning for scaling into a group practice
·      Looking at finances in a structured and consistent way
·      Understanding the percentages for all the money in the business
·      Making sure that you are paying yourself and taking profit in your business
Thoughts about group practices
·      The different phases of growth
·      The benefits of using a more structured system to weather the emotional challenges of growth in your business
·      Reverse engineering your practice to support your life
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
The Book: Profit First for Therapists by Julie Herres
https://www.profitfirstfortherapists.com/mtsg
@Julie.Herres on Instagram
GreenOak Accounting
Facebook Group: Profit First for Therapists
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Don’t Take Tax Advice From Therapists: An interview with Julie Herres
Financial Therapy: An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin
Asking for Money

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>Making Every Therapy Practice Profitable: An Interview with Julie Herres
Curt and Katie interview Julie Herres of GreenOak Accounting about her new book, Profit First for Therapists. We explore what profit first is, the unique challenges that therapist face in implementing profit first, the core principles of profit first, mistakes therapists make in implementation, and the benefits of using this bookkeeping model.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about the profit first method specific to therapy practices
Therapists often struggle with their money, oftentimes forgetting to pull out profit or paying themselves. One accounting system that helps therapists to better manage their money is Profit First. Our friend, Julie Herres, has written a book about this system with specific information for how this accounting system applies to therapists.
What is Profit First?
·      Focusing on profit as a given number in your accounting
·      You identify the profit you need FIRST to determine what you can spend on your expenses
·      An accounting system created by Mike Michalowicz
What are the unique challenges that therapists face in implementing profit first?
·      Therapist guilt and emotional processes that get in the way of therapists mastering the money in their businesses
·      The stages of change that go into realigning your budget to stabilize your finances in your business and personal life
The core principles of Profit First
·      “Use a smaller plate” so you spend less money. You add bank accounts, so each is smaller to divide out your profit, expenses, pay, and taxes.
·      “Serve sequentially” – to the different bank accounts
·      “Remove temptation” – the idea is that you won’t use money that is in a labeled account for something else.
·      “Enforce a rhythm” – moving money consistently, to help see the ebb and flow of money in the business.
Mistakes therapists often make in implementing Profit First
·      Not changing spending habits
·      Changing too much too quickly
·      Not creating separate bank accounts (this is a key to success)
The benefits of using Profit First in your therapy practice
·      Understanding where your money is going
·      Planning for scaling into a group practice
·      Looking at finances in a structured and consistent way
·      Understanding the percentages for all the money in the business
·      Making sure that you are paying yourself and taking profit in your business
Thoughts about group practices
·      The different phases of growth
·      The benefits of using a more structured system to weather the emotional challenges of growth in your business
·      Reverse engineering your practice to support your life
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
The Book: Profit First for Therapists by Julie Herres
https://www.profitfirstfortherapists.com/mtsg
@Julie.Herres on Instagram
GreenOak Accounting
Facebook Group: Profit First for Therapists
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Don’t Take Tax Advice From Therapists: An interview with Julie Herres
Financial Therapy: An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin
Asking for Money

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Making Every Therapy Practice Profitable: An Interview with Julie Herres</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Julie Herres of GreenOak Accounting about her new book, Profit First for Therapists. We explore what profit first is, the unique challenges that therapist face in implementing profit first, the core principles of profit first, mistakes therapists make in implementation, and the benefits of using this bookkeeping model.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about the profit first method specific to therapy practices</h2><p>Therapists often struggle with their money, oftentimes forgetting to pull out profit or paying themselves. One accounting system that helps therapists to better manage their money is Profit First. Our friend, Julie Herres, has written a book about this system with specific information for how this accounting system applies to therapists.</p><h3>What is Profit First?</h3><p>·      Focusing on profit as a given number in your accounting</p><p>·      You identify the profit you need FIRST to determine what you can spend on your expenses</p><p>·      An accounting system created by Mike Michalowicz</p><h3>What are the unique challenges that therapists face in implementing profit first?</h3><p>·      Therapist guilt and emotional processes that get in the way of therapists mastering the money in their businesses</p><p>·      The stages of change that go into realigning your budget to stabilize your finances in your business and personal life</p><h3>The core principles of Profit First</h3><p>·      “Use a smaller plate” so you spend less money. You add bank accounts, so each is smaller to divide out your profit, expenses, pay, and taxes.</p><p>·      “Serve sequentially” – to the different bank accounts</p><p>·      “Remove temptation” – the idea is that you won’t use money that is in a labeled account for something else.</p><p>·      “Enforce a rhythm” – moving money consistently, to help see the ebb and flow of money in the business.</p><h3>Mistakes therapists often make in implementing Profit First</h3><p>·      Not changing spending habits</p><p>·      Changing too much too quickly</p><p>·      Not creating separate bank accounts (this is a key to success)</p><h3>The benefits of using Profit First in your therapy practice</h3><p>·      Understanding where your money is going</p><p>·      Planning for scaling into a group practice</p><p>·      Looking at finances in a structured and consistent way</p><p>·      Understanding the percentages for all the money in the business</p><p>·      Making sure that you are paying yourself and taking profit in your business</p><h3>Thoughts about group practices</h3><p>·      The different phases of growth</p><p>·      The benefits of using a more structured system to weather the emotional challenges of growth in your business</p><p>·      Reverse engineering your practice to support your life</p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://amzn.to/3U74PrY">The Book: Profit First for Therapists by Julie Herres</a></p><p><a href="https://www.profitfirstfortherapists.com/mtsg">https://www.profitfirstfortherapists.com/mtsg</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/julie.herres/">@Julie.Herres on Instagram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.greenoakaccounting.com/">GreenOak Accounting</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/1274972945933485">Facebook Group: Profit First for Therapists</a></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/dont-take-tax-advice-from-therapists/">Don’t Take Tax Advice From Therapists: An interview with Julie Herres</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/financial-therapy/">Financial Therapy: An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/asking-for-money/">Asking for Money</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What is Our Fascination with Anything Vaguely Neuroscience?</title>
      <description>What is Our Fascination with Anything Vaguely Neuroscience?
Curt and Katie chat about our profession’s fascination with neuroscience. We explore the myths about the brain, why therapists lean on neuroscience (even when they really shouldn’t), and how “neuro” is misused and can actually be harmful to our clients.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about neuroscience
Curt has started to get frustrated with all of the ways that neuroscience is misused. Curt is frustrated with the ongoing use of “neuro” information that may be myth.
What are the most common neuromyths?

Humans only use 10% of our brains

Left/Right Brain preference

Learning style (i.e., auditory, visual, or kinetic learners)

If you don’t drink enough water, your brain will shrink

Why do therapists often privilege “neuroscience” over everything else?

The fascination with brain scans

The belief that explanations including neuroscience are more effective (even if they are not)

Interest in data and the scientific explanations

The Misuse of “Neuro” to increase the credibility of other concepts

The “neuroscience” of the power of attraction

Overusing neuroscience explanations for interventions that don’t help

The potential for clients to feel incompetent due to trying to access parts of the brain versus understanding the interventions in a basic and complete manner

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Article: The Seductive Allure of Neuroscience Explanations by Deena Skolnick Weisberg, Frank C. Keil, Joshua Goodstein, Elizabeth Rawson, and Jeremy R. Gray
Article: Dispelling the Myth: Training in Education or Neuroscience Decreases but Does Not Eliminate Beliefs in Neuromyths by Kelly Macdonald, Laura Germine, Alida Anderson, Joanna Christodoulou and Lauren M. McGrath
Article: Brain Images Make Cognitive Research More Believable
Article: Neuroscience and education: myths and messages
Article: Brain images make the article seem more reliable
The manifested article that has not been vetted for scientific accuracy, but I can’t believe I found it: The Neuroscience of The Secret
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>What is Our Fascination with Anything Vaguely Neuroscience?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>What is Our Fascination with Anything Vaguely Neuroscience?
Curt and Katie chat about our profession’s fascination with neuroscience. We explore the myths about the brain, why therapists lean on neuroscience (even when they really shouldn’t), and how “neuro” is misused and can actually be harmful to our clients.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about neuroscience
Curt has started to get frustrated with all of the ways that neuroscience is misused. Curt is frustrated with the ongoing use of “neuro” information that may be myth.
What are the most common neuromyths?

Humans only use 10% of our brains

Left/Right Brain preference

Learning style (i.e., auditory, visual, or kinetic learners)

If you don’t drink enough water, your brain will shrink

Why do therapists often privilege “neuroscience” over everything else?

The fascination with brain scans

The belief that explanations including neuroscience are more effective (even if they are not)

Interest in data and the scientific explanations

The Misuse of “Neuro” to increase the credibility of other concepts

The “neuroscience” of the power of attraction

Overusing neuroscience explanations for interventions that don’t help

The potential for clients to feel incompetent due to trying to access parts of the brain versus understanding the interventions in a basic and complete manner

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Article: The Seductive Allure of Neuroscience Explanations by Deena Skolnick Weisberg, Frank C. Keil, Joshua Goodstein, Elizabeth Rawson, and Jeremy R. Gray
Article: Dispelling the Myth: Training in Education or Neuroscience Decreases but Does Not Eliminate Beliefs in Neuromyths by Kelly Macdonald, Laura Germine, Alida Anderson, Joanna Christodoulou and Lauren M. McGrath
Article: Brain Images Make Cognitive Research More Believable
Article: Neuroscience and education: myths and messages
Article: Brain images make the article seem more reliable
The manifested article that has not been vetted for scientific accuracy, but I can’t believe I found it: The Neuroscience of The Secret
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What is Our Fascination with Anything Vaguely Neuroscience?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about our profession’s fascination with neuroscience. We explore the myths about the brain, why therapists lean on neuroscience (even when they really shouldn’t), and how “neuro” is misused and can actually be harmful to our clients.   </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about neuroscience</h2><p>Curt has started to get frustrated with all of the ways that neuroscience is misused. Curt is frustrated with the ongoing use of “neuro” information that may be myth.</p><h3>What are the most common neuro<u>myths</u>?</h3><ul>
<li>Humans only use 10% of our brains</li>
<li>Left/Right Brain preference</li>
<li>Learning style (i.e., auditory, visual, or kinetic learners)</li>
<li>If you don’t drink enough water, your brain will shrink</li>
</ul><h3>Why do therapists often privilege “neuroscience” over everything else?</h3><ul>
<li>The fascination with brain scans</li>
<li>The belief that explanations including neuroscience are more effective (even if they are not)</li>
<li>Interest in data and the scientific explanations</li>
</ul><h3>The Misuse of “Neuro” to increase the credibility of other concepts</h3><ul>
<li>The “neuroscience” of the power of attraction</li>
<li>Overusing neuroscience explanations for interventions that don’t help</li>
<li>The potential for clients to feel incompetent due to trying to access parts of the brain versus understanding the interventions in a basic and complete manner</li>
</ul><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>Article: <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2778755/?version=meter+at+null&amp;module=meter-Links&amp;pgtype=Blogs&amp;contentId=&amp;mediaId=&amp;referrer=&amp;priority=true&amp;action=click&amp;contentCollection=meter-links-click">The Seductive Allure of Neuroscience Explanations by Deena Skolnick Weisberg, Frank C. Keil, Joshua Goodstein, Elizabeth Rawson, and Jeremy R. Gray</a></p><p>Article: <a href="https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01314/full">Dispelling the Myth: Training in Education or Neuroscience Decreases but Does Not Eliminate Beliefs in Neuromyths by Kelly Macdonald, Laura Germine, Alida Anderson, Joanna Christodoulou and Lauren M. McGrath</a></p><p>Article: <a href="https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071002151837.htm">Brain Images Make Cognitive Research More Believable</a></p><p>Article: <a href="https://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/nrn3817.pdf">Neuroscience and education: myths and messages</a></p><p>Article: <a href="https://neuroskoki.pl/en/brain-images-make-the-article-seem-more-reliable/">Brain images make the article seem more reliable</a></p><p>The manifested article that has not been vetted for scientific accuracy, but I can’t believe I found it: <a href="https://www.mentorpath.com/project/the-neuroscience-of-the-secret/">The Neuroscience of The Secret</a></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Clinical Work with Sex Workers: An Interview with Jamila Dawson, LMFT and Dr. Theo Burnes, PhD</title>
      <description>Clinical Work with Sex Workers: An Interview with Jamila Dawson, LMFT and Dr. Theo Burnes, PhD
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Theo Burnes and Jamila Dawson on their new book Essential Clinical Care for Sex Workers. We talk about what therapists get wrong when thinking about sex work and sex workers, what common biases therapists hold about sex work, what sex work looks like now, and how clinicians can work effectively with sex workers.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about sex workers seeking therapy
There are number of client populations that we just don’t talk about in grad school. Sex Workers are an important group that we find continue to face bias and ignorance in the therapy room. We reached out to Theo Burnes and Jamila Dawson to learn more about this often forgotten client population.
What are therapists getting wrong when thinking about sex work and sex workers?

Clinicians often are focused on saving people, which is misguided

We lose opportunities as change agents

Not understanding sex work and the complexity of any job

There is a bias about the relationships between sex and work and what sex is

What are common biases that therapists hold related to sex work?

The bias that there must be trauma if someone chooses to do sex work

The bias that they must hate their job and want to get out of this work

The lack of awareness about immigration’s intersection with sex work

The additional bias related to racism, sexism, and genderism

Anti-erotophobia

Anti-neurodivergence – there are more folks in sex work who are neurodivergent due to the flexibility and other characteristics of the job

Entertainment bias is pervasive with the rescue theme (e.g., Pretty Woman)

What does sex work look like now?

The “Whorearchy” or hierarchy within sex worker communities (outside vs inside, independent or employee, safety level) – for example working independently in the safest environments (i.e., inside, virtually) is seen higher up the whorearchy

Different types of sex work including courtesan/girlfriend experience versus other types that are less heterosexual normative

Understanding the pros and cons of each type of sex work is important for clinicians working with sex workers

The opportunities related to innovation (sex and porn often drive innovation) and creativity

How can a clinician work effectively with sex workers?

Getting curious to fully understand the unique situation for the client

Assessments availability in the book: Essential Clinical Care for Sex Workers

Pay attention to how you talk about sex work as clients will test whether they can talk about their sex work

Sex work may not be the presenting issue, but it is relevant to identify whether they are self-identifying as a sex worker to the therapist

Holding space for clients not disclosing everything at the beginning of therapy

Showing sex positivity and openness to hear about any sensitive topics (sex, drug use, etc.)

Understanding the fears and myths that are floating around (e.g., the myth that therapists will call law enforcement or CPS solely because someone reports being a sex worker)

Being an agent for social change and advocating for systemic change

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
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      <itunes:summary>Clinical Work with Sex Workers: An Interview with Jamila Dawson, LMFT and Dr. Theo Burnes, PhD
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Theo Burnes and Jamila Dawson on their new book Essential Clinical Care for Sex Workers. We talk about what therapists get wrong when thinking about sex work and sex workers, what common biases therapists hold about sex work, what sex work looks like now, and how clinicians can work effectively with sex workers.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about sex workers seeking therapy
There are number of client populations that we just don’t talk about in grad school. Sex Workers are an important group that we find continue to face bias and ignorance in the therapy room. We reached out to Theo Burnes and Jamila Dawson to learn more about this often forgotten client population.
What are therapists getting wrong when thinking about sex work and sex workers?

Clinicians often are focused on saving people, which is misguided

We lose opportunities as change agents

Not understanding sex work and the complexity of any job

There is a bias about the relationships between sex and work and what sex is

What are common biases that therapists hold related to sex work?

The bias that there must be trauma if someone chooses to do sex work

The bias that they must hate their job and want to get out of this work

The lack of awareness about immigration’s intersection with sex work

The additional bias related to racism, sexism, and genderism

Anti-erotophobia

Anti-neurodivergence – there are more folks in sex work who are neurodivergent due to the flexibility and other characteristics of the job

Entertainment bias is pervasive with the rescue theme (e.g., Pretty Woman)

What does sex work look like now?

The “Whorearchy” or hierarchy within sex worker communities (outside vs inside, independent or employee, safety level) – for example working independently in the safest environments (i.e., inside, virtually) is seen higher up the whorearchy

Different types of sex work including courtesan/girlfriend experience versus other types that are less heterosexual normative

Understanding the pros and cons of each type of sex work is important for clinicians working with sex workers

The opportunities related to innovation (sex and porn often drive innovation) and creativity

How can a clinician work effectively with sex workers?

Getting curious to fully understand the unique situation for the client

Assessments availability in the book: Essential Clinical Care for Sex Workers

Pay attention to how you talk about sex work as clients will test whether they can talk about their sex work

Sex work may not be the presenting issue, but it is relevant to identify whether they are self-identifying as a sex worker to the therapist

Holding space for clients not disclosing everything at the beginning of therapy

Showing sex positivity and openness to hear about any sensitive topics (sex, drug use, etc.)

Understanding the fears and myths that are floating around (e.g., the myth that therapists will call law enforcement or CPS solely because someone reports being a sex worker)

Being an agent for social change and advocating for systemic change

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Clinical Work with Sex Workers: An Interview with Jamila Dawson, LMFT and Dr. Theo Burnes, PhD</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Theo Burnes and Jamila Dawson on their new book Essential Clinical Care for Sex Workers. We talk about what therapists get wrong when thinking about sex work and sex workers, what common biases therapists hold about sex work, what sex work looks like now, and how clinicians can work effectively with sex workers.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about sex workers seeking therapy</h2><p>There are number of client populations that we just don’t talk about in grad school. Sex Workers are an important group that we find continue to face bias and ignorance in the therapy room. We reached out to Theo Burnes and Jamila Dawson to learn more about this often forgotten client population.</p><h3>What are therapists getting wrong when thinking about sex work and sex workers?</h3><ul>
<li>Clinicians often are focused on saving people, which is misguided</li>
<li>We lose opportunities as change agents</li>
<li>Not understanding sex work and the complexity of any job</li>
<li>There is a bias about the relationships between sex and work and what sex is</li>
</ul><h3>What are common biases that therapists hold related to sex work?</h3><ul>
<li>The bias that there must be trauma if someone chooses to do sex work</li>
<li>The bias that they must hate their job and want to get out of this work</li>
<li>The lack of awareness about immigration’s intersection with sex work</li>
<li>The additional bias related to racism, sexism, and genderism</li>
<li>Anti-erotophobia</li>
<li>Anti-neurodivergence – there are more folks in sex work who are neurodivergent due to the flexibility and other characteristics of the job</li>
<li>Entertainment bias is pervasive with the rescue theme (e.g., Pretty Woman)</li>
</ul><h3>What does sex work look like now?</h3><ul>
<li>The “Whorearchy” or hierarchy within sex worker communities (outside vs inside, independent or employee, safety level) – for example working independently in the safest environments (i.e., inside, virtually) is seen higher up the whorearchy</li>
<li>Different types of sex work including courtesan/girlfriend experience versus other types that are less heterosexual normative</li>
<li>Understanding the pros and cons of each type of sex work is important for clinicians working with sex workers</li>
<li>The opportunities related to innovation (sex and porn often drive innovation) and creativity</li>
</ul><h3>How can a clinician work effectively with sex workers?</h3><ul>
<li>Getting curious to fully understand the unique situation for the client</li>
<li>Assessments availability in the book: Essential Clinical Care for Sex Workers</li>
<li>Pay attention to how you talk about sex work as clients will test whether they can talk about their sex work</li>
<li>Sex work may not be the presenting issue, but it is relevant to identify whether they are self-identifying as a sex worker to the therapist</li>
<li>Holding space for clients not disclosing everything at the beginning of therapy</li>
<li>Showing sex positivity and openness to hear about any sensitive topics (sex, drug use, etc.)</li>
<li>Understanding the fears and myths that are floating around (e.g., the myth that therapists will call law enforcement or CPS solely because someone reports being a sex worker)</li>
<li>Being an agent for social change and advocating for systemic change</li>
</ul><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Is AI Smart for Your Therapy Practice? The ethics of artificial intelligence in therapy</title>
      <description>Is AI Smart for Your Therapy Practice? The ethics of artificial intelligence in therapy
Curt and Katie chat about the use of ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence as part of your therapy practice. We look at what uses therapists are considering, the differences between chatbots and search engines, and basic information on how chatbots work. We explore ethical implications for using chatbots within different aspects of a therapist practice. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about therapists using ChatGPT in their practices
How are ChatGPT and other chatbots being used by modern therapists?

Writing blog posts and other marketing content

Getting suggestions for writing progress notes

Potentially case consultation and differential diagnosis?

What is the difference between ChatGPT (or other AI chatbots) and Search Engines?

The goals are different – developing human-sounding language versus information retrieval

Primary sources and raw data versus interpretation and an answer that sounds good

What are the legal and ethical uses of ChatGPT?

The user agreement allows all uses of the content developed based on your prompts

There is not a guarantee of unique output between different users which calls into question ownership on content and plagiarism

Citing authorship, publication credits, and whose ideas are being included in your content

Suggestions from ethical bodies on how to cite chatbots

The importance of transparency and accountability

 What is the harm in using ChatGPT without transparency on a therapist website?

The impact on pretreatment role expectations and the digital therapeutic alliance

A lack of transparency and potential for misleading prospective clients on your personality and/or expertise

If you don’t check accuracy, especially when you have someone else creating your content, you may actually create outdated information that is heavily influenced by the medical model and potentially biased

What are thoughts about using ChatGPT in clinical work for therapists?
Please use caution when using AI in any clinical work
What are recommendations for modern therapists who would like to use ChatGPT?

Use with caution: check primary sources and completely review

Transparently cite that AI was used, which app was used, how it was used, and the date when information was pulled

Be aware of SEO impacts, lack of branding, whether it adds value, and that the content is accurate and is helpful rather than harmful

Do not input any confidential information

Do not overly rely on the clinical suggestions due to bias and accuracy concerns

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
ChatGPT
*The full reference list can be found in the course on our learning platform.

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Is AI Smart for Your Therapy Practice? The ethics of artificial intelligence in therapy</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Is AI Smart for Your Therapy Practice? The ethics of artificial intelligence in therapy
Curt and Katie chat about the use of ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence as part of your therapy practice. We look at what uses therapists are considering, the differences between chatbots and search engines, and basic information on how chatbots work. We explore ethical implications for using chatbots within different aspects of a therapist practice. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about therapists using ChatGPT in their practices
How are ChatGPT and other chatbots being used by modern therapists?

Writing blog posts and other marketing content

Getting suggestions for writing progress notes

Potentially case consultation and differential diagnosis?

What is the difference between ChatGPT (or other AI chatbots) and Search Engines?

The goals are different – developing human-sounding language versus information retrieval

Primary sources and raw data versus interpretation and an answer that sounds good

What are the legal and ethical uses of ChatGPT?

The user agreement allows all uses of the content developed based on your prompts

There is not a guarantee of unique output between different users which calls into question ownership on content and plagiarism

Citing authorship, publication credits, and whose ideas are being included in your content

Suggestions from ethical bodies on how to cite chatbots

The importance of transparency and accountability

 What is the harm in using ChatGPT without transparency on a therapist website?

The impact on pretreatment role expectations and the digital therapeutic alliance

A lack of transparency and potential for misleading prospective clients on your personality and/or expertise

If you don’t check accuracy, especially when you have someone else creating your content, you may actually create outdated information that is heavily influenced by the medical model and potentially biased

What are thoughts about using ChatGPT in clinical work for therapists?
Please use caution when using AI in any clinical work
What are recommendations for modern therapists who would like to use ChatGPT?

Use with caution: check primary sources and completely review

Transparently cite that AI was used, which app was used, how it was used, and the date when information was pulled

Be aware of SEO impacts, lack of branding, whether it adds value, and that the content is accurate and is helpful rather than harmful

Do not input any confidential information

Do not overly rely on the clinical suggestions due to bias and accuracy concerns

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals: Continuing Education Information


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
ChatGPT
*The full reference list can be found in the course on our learning platform.

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Is AI Smart for Your Therapy Practice? The ethics of artificial intelligence in therapy</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the use of ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence as part of your therapy practice. We look at what uses therapists are considering, the differences between chatbots and search engines, and basic information on how chatbots work. We explore ethical implications for using chatbots within different aspects of a therapist practice. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about therapists using ChatGPT in their practices</h2><h3>How are ChatGPT and other chatbots being used by modern therapists?</h3><ul>
<li>Writing blog posts and other marketing content</li>
<li>Getting suggestions for writing progress notes</li>
<li>Potentially case consultation and differential diagnosis?</li>
</ul><h3>What is the difference between ChatGPT (or other AI chatbots) and Search Engines?</h3><ul>
<li>The goals are different – developing human-sounding language versus information retrieval</li>
<li>Primary sources and raw data versus interpretation and an answer that sounds good</li>
</ul><h3>What are the legal and ethical uses of ChatGPT?</h3><ul>
<li>The user agreement allows all uses of the content developed based on your prompts</li>
<li>There is not a guarantee of unique output between different users which calls into question ownership on content and plagiarism</li>
<li>Citing authorship, publication credits, and whose ideas are being included in your content</li>
<li>Suggestions from ethical bodies on how to cite chatbots</li>
<li>The importance of transparency and accountability</li>
</ul><h3> What is the harm in using ChatGPT without transparency on a therapist website?</h3><ul>
<li>The impact on pretreatment role expectations and the digital therapeutic alliance</li>
<li>A lack of transparency and potential for misleading prospective clients on your personality and/or expertise</li>
<li>If you don’t check accuracy, especially when you have someone else creating your content, you may actually create outdated information that is heavily influenced by the medical model and potentially biased</li>
</ul><h3>What are thoughts about using ChatGPT in clinical work for therapists?</h3><ul><li>Please use caution when using AI in any clinical work</li></ul><h3>What are recommendations for modern therapists who would like to use ChatGPT?</h3><ul>
<li>Use with caution: check primary sources and completely review</li>
<li>Transparently cite that AI was used, which app was used, how it was used, and the date when information was pulled</li>
<li>Be aware of SEO impacts, lack of branding, whether it adds value, and that the content is accurate and is helpful rather than harmful</li>
<li>Do not input any confidential information</li>
<li>Do not overly rely on the clinical suggestions due to bias and accuracy concerns</li>
</ul><h3>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h3><p>You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a></p><h3>Continuing Education Approvals: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a>
</h3><p><br></p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://chat.openai.com/chat">ChatGPT</a></p><p>*The full reference list can be found in the course on <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">our learning platform</a>.</p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Therapists Should Know About Code-Switching: An Interview with Dr. Jameta Nicole Barlow</title>
      <description>What Therapists Should Know About Code-Switching: An Interview with Dr. Jameta Nicole Barlow
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jameta Nicole Barlow on code-switching. We explore what code-switching is, the mental health impacts of code-switching, and how therapists can support clients who code-switch.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about code-switching
An important conversation about code-switching for therapists. What do we need to know and what can we do to support people who need to code switch?
What is code-switching?

Shifting how one speaks or behaves to fit into the current situation

Often occurs with people who do not look like you or are culturally different from you

Learning to operate differently in different spaces due to being judged based on appearance, behavior, and language

Choosing which words to use, which has additional layers for multilingual folks

Much deeper than just linguistic shifts

Responding to the potential for violent harm when how you typically show up doesn’t fit the current situation’s prescribed norms

The concept of “professionalism” and who set the standards

Needing to push back on the norms

What are the mental health effects of Code-switching?

Anxiety and depression

Not bringing full self into most spaces

Hesitation, lack of learning and sharing

Chronic health diseases connected to cortisol

Identity concerns, unraveling of identity over time

Fear of being found out or not being accepted

High mental load

Not everyone code switches

Why are people code-switching in professional settings? Or is it still happening?

Shifts in behaviors during the pandemic

Letting go of certain social mores on zoom

Not having to go to work and putting on a professional persona when working remotely

What can mental health professionals due to support clients who code-switch?

There are not enough Black therapists to see all of the Black clients, so therapists of other demographics need to make sure that they are addressing it

Going beyond the client having to explain all of their experience or be a cultural translator

Stay present to the story and clarify later, to allow client to stay in the vulnerability

Being authentic yourself as a therapist, to create space for imperfection

Providing reinforcement for the client showing up authentically, their accomplishments

Getting to IDGAF attitude and testing it out in different spaces

How does Dr. Jameta Barlow push back against the status quo related to code-switching?

Land acknowledgement

Grounding in family and cultural history

Focusing on the history and the experiences of Black women

No code-switching or requirement for being anything but your full self

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Dr. Barlow’s Website: JametaBarlow.com
Twitter: @allaboutafya
Email: JametaWrites @ gmail.com
Information on the concept of Double Consciousness from W.E.B. Du Bois
Article on PsychCentral: Code-Switching: What it is and What it Costs Us

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Patreon
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      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Therapists Should Know About Code-Switching: An Interview with Dr. Jameta Nicole Barlow</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jameta Nicole Barlow on code-switching. We explore what code-switching is, the mental health impacts of code-switching, and how therapists can support clients who code-switch. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Therapists Should Know About Code-Switching: An Interview with Dr. Jameta Nicole Barlow
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jameta Nicole Barlow on code-switching. We explore what code-switching is, the mental health impacts of code-switching, and how therapists can support clients who code-switch.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about code-switching
An important conversation about code-switching for therapists. What do we need to know and what can we do to support people who need to code switch?
What is code-switching?

Shifting how one speaks or behaves to fit into the current situation

Often occurs with people who do not look like you or are culturally different from you

Learning to operate differently in different spaces due to being judged based on appearance, behavior, and language

Choosing which words to use, which has additional layers for multilingual folks

Much deeper than just linguistic shifts

Responding to the potential for violent harm when how you typically show up doesn’t fit the current situation’s prescribed norms

The concept of “professionalism” and who set the standards

Needing to push back on the norms

What are the mental health effects of Code-switching?

Anxiety and depression

Not bringing full self into most spaces

Hesitation, lack of learning and sharing

Chronic health diseases connected to cortisol

Identity concerns, unraveling of identity over time

Fear of being found out or not being accepted

High mental load

Not everyone code switches

Why are people code-switching in professional settings? Or is it still happening?

Shifts in behaviors during the pandemic

Letting go of certain social mores on zoom

Not having to go to work and putting on a professional persona when working remotely

What can mental health professionals due to support clients who code-switch?

There are not enough Black therapists to see all of the Black clients, so therapists of other demographics need to make sure that they are addressing it

Going beyond the client having to explain all of their experience or be a cultural translator

Stay present to the story and clarify later, to allow client to stay in the vulnerability

Being authentic yourself as a therapist, to create space for imperfection

Providing reinforcement for the client showing up authentically, their accomplishments

Getting to IDGAF attitude and testing it out in different spaces

How does Dr. Jameta Barlow push back against the status quo related to code-switching?

Land acknowledgement

Grounding in family and cultural history

Focusing on the history and the experiences of Black women

No code-switching or requirement for being anything but your full self

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Dr. Barlow’s Website: JametaBarlow.com
Twitter: @allaboutafya
Email: JametaWrites @ gmail.com
Information on the concept of Double Consciousness from W.E.B. Du Bois
Article on PsychCentral: Code-Switching: What it is and What it Costs Us

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
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Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What Therapists Should Know About Code-Switching: An Interview with Dr. Jameta Nicole Barlow</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jameta Nicole Barlow on code-switching. We explore what code-switching is, the mental health impacts of code-switching, and how therapists can support clients who code-switch.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about code-switching</h2><p>An important conversation about code-switching for therapists. What do we need to know and what can we do to support people who need to code switch?</p><h3>What is code-switching?</h3><ul>
<li>Shifting how one speaks or behaves to fit into the current situation</li>
<li>Often occurs with people who do not look like you or are culturally different from you</li>
<li>Learning to operate differently in different spaces due to being judged based on appearance, behavior, and language</li>
<li>Choosing which words to use, which has additional layers for multilingual folks</li>
<li>Much deeper than just linguistic shifts</li>
<li>Responding to the potential for violent harm when how you typically show up doesn’t fit the current situation’s prescribed norms</li>
<li>The concept of “professionalism” and who set the standards</li>
<li>Needing to push back on the norms</li>
</ul><h3>What are the mental health effects of Code-switching?</h3><ul>
<li>Anxiety and depression</li>
<li>Not bringing full self into most spaces</li>
<li>Hesitation, lack of learning and sharing</li>
<li>Chronic health diseases connected to cortisol</li>
<li>Identity concerns, unraveling of identity over time</li>
<li>Fear of being found out or not being accepted</li>
<li>High mental load</li>
<li>Not everyone code switches</li>
</ul><h3>Why are people code-switching in professional settings? Or is it still happening?</h3><ul>
<li>Shifts in behaviors during the pandemic</li>
<li>Letting go of certain social mores on zoom</li>
<li>Not having to go to work and putting on a professional persona when working remotely</li>
</ul><h3>What can mental health professionals due to support clients who code-switch?</h3><ul>
<li>There are not enough Black therapists to see all of the Black clients, so therapists of other demographics need to make sure that they are addressing it</li>
<li>Going beyond the client having to explain all of their experience or be a cultural translator</li>
<li>Stay present to the story and clarify later, to allow client to stay in the vulnerability</li>
<li>Being authentic yourself as a therapist, to create space for imperfection</li>
<li>Providing reinforcement for the client showing up authentically, their accomplishments</li>
<li>Getting to IDGAF attitude and testing it out in different spaces</li>
</ul><h3>How does Dr. Jameta Barlow push back against the status quo related to code-switching?</h3><ul>
<li>Land acknowledgement</li>
<li>Grounding in family and cultural history</li>
<li>Focusing on the history and the experiences of Black women</li>
<li>No code-switching or requirement for being anything but your full self</li>
</ul><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>Dr. Barlow’s Website: <a href="https://www.jametabarlow.com/">JametaBarlow.com</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/allaboutafya">Twitter: @allaboutafya</a></p><p>Email: JametaWrites @ gmail.com</p><p><a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/double-consciousness/">Information on the concept of Double Consciousness from W.E.B. Du Bois</a></p><p><a href="https://psychcentral.com/health/code-switching-what-it-is-and-what-it-costs-us">Article on PsychCentral: Code-Switching: What it is and What it Costs Us</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Why Is Therapy Taking So Long? The causes and solutions for therapeutic drift</title>
      <description>Why Is Therapy Taking So Long? The causes and solutions for therapeutic drift
Curt and Katie chat about the tendency for therapists to drift clinically – meaning that they fail to use evidence-based practices that they have been trained to do. We explore the phenomenon of therapeutic drift, contributing factors, ways to mitigate risk, and what therapists can do to address this tendency that leads to poorer therapeutic outcomes. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore why therapists stray from using evidence-based practices
In order for therapy to be successful, both the therapist and client need to stay invested in the therapeutic process. We explore the reasons that therapy can stall, how to identify the causes, and how to get back on track toward achieving client goals.
What is therapist drift and why is it bad?

Therapists will fail to use evidence-based treatment even when they have the tools and training

May be seen as pushing back on manualized treatments that do not seem to focus on the relationship sufficiently

Therapeutic drift can happen when the therapist and client are not in agreement or clear on the goals for treatment

Not sticking to the plan for treatment and failing to make progress

Mislabeling of treatment interventions

What factors contribute to therapeutic drift?

Client factors include avoiding talking about treatment goals

Lack of adherent training and understanding of the models

Therapist factors include not identifying optimal treatment methods or structures upon which to build creative intervention

Therapists doing what feels good to them versus what is best for the client

Systemic factors including teaching too many theories without sufficient depth

How can we mitigate the risks of therapeutic drift?

Practice-based evidence

Setting treatment plans and single session agendas

Outcome measures and client feedback

Intentionality versus convenience

Assessing bias and where our negative feelings about EBPs come from

Collaborating with the client

Deliberate practice

Consultation, ongoing supervision

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Very Bad Therapy Podcast
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information

References mentioned in this continuing education podcast can be found in the course on our learning platform.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Link tree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Why Is Therapy Taking So Long? The causes and solutions for therapeutic drift</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the tendency for therapists to drift clinically – meaning that they fail to use evidence-based practices that they have been trained to do. We explore the phenomenon of therapeutic drift, contributing factors, ways to mitigate risk, and what therapists can do to address this tendency that leads to poorer therapeutic outcomes. This is a continuing education podcourse. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why Is Therapy Taking So Long? The causes and solutions for therapeutic drift
Curt and Katie chat about the tendency for therapists to drift clinically – meaning that they fail to use evidence-based practices that they have been trained to do. We explore the phenomenon of therapeutic drift, contributing factors, ways to mitigate risk, and what therapists can do to address this tendency that leads to poorer therapeutic outcomes. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore why therapists stray from using evidence-based practices
In order for therapy to be successful, both the therapist and client need to stay invested in the therapeutic process. We explore the reasons that therapy can stall, how to identify the causes, and how to get back on track toward achieving client goals.
What is therapist drift and why is it bad?

Therapists will fail to use evidence-based treatment even when they have the tools and training

May be seen as pushing back on manualized treatments that do not seem to focus on the relationship sufficiently

Therapeutic drift can happen when the therapist and client are not in agreement or clear on the goals for treatment

Not sticking to the plan for treatment and failing to make progress

Mislabeling of treatment interventions

What factors contribute to therapeutic drift?

Client factors include avoiding talking about treatment goals

Lack of adherent training and understanding of the models

Therapist factors include not identifying optimal treatment methods or structures upon which to build creative intervention

Therapists doing what feels good to them versus what is best for the client

Systemic factors including teaching too many theories without sufficient depth

How can we mitigate the risks of therapeutic drift?

Practice-based evidence

Setting treatment plans and single session agendas

Outcome measures and client feedback

Intentionality versus convenience

Assessing bias and where our negative feelings about EBPs come from

Collaborating with the client

Deliberate practice

Consultation, ongoing supervision

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Very Bad Therapy Podcast
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information

References mentioned in this continuing education podcast can be found in the course on our learning platform.

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Link tree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Why Is Therapy Taking So Long? The causes and solutions for therapeutic drift</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the tendency for therapists to drift clinically – meaning that they fail to use evidence-based practices that they have been trained to do. We explore the phenomenon of therapeutic drift, contributing factors, ways to mitigate risk, and what therapists can do to address this tendency that leads to poorer therapeutic outcomes. This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we explore why therapists stray from using evidence-based practices</h2><p>In order for therapy to be successful, both the therapist and client need to stay invested in the therapeutic process. We explore the reasons that therapy can stall, how to identify the causes, and how to get back on track toward achieving client goals.</p><h3>What is therapist drift and why is it bad?</h3><ul>
<li>Therapists will fail to use evidence-based treatment even when they have the tools and training</li>
<li>May be seen as pushing back on manualized treatments that do not seem to focus on the relationship sufficiently</li>
<li>Therapeutic drift can happen when the therapist and client are not in agreement or clear on the goals for treatment</li>
<li>Not sticking to the plan for treatment and failing to make progress</li>
<li>Mislabeling of treatment interventions</li>
</ul><h3>What factors contribute to therapeutic drift?</h3><ul>
<li>Client factors include avoiding talking about treatment goals</li>
<li>Lack of adherent training and understanding of the models</li>
<li>Therapist factors include not identifying optimal treatment methods or structures upon which to build creative intervention</li>
<li>Therapists doing what feels good to them versus what is best for the client</li>
<li>Systemic factors including teaching too many theories without sufficient depth</li>
</ul><h3>How can we mitigate the risks of therapeutic drift?</h3><ul>
<li>Practice-based evidence</li>
<li>Setting treatment plans and single session agendas</li>
<li>Outcome measures and client feedback</li>
<li>Intentionality versus convenience</li>
<li>Assessing bias and where our negative feelings about EBPs come from</li>
<li>Collaborating with the client</li>
<li>Deliberate practice</li>
<li>Consultation, ongoing supervision</li>
</ul><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.verybadtherapy.com/">Very Bad Therapy Podcast</a></p><p>You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a></p><h3>Continuing Education Approvals:</h3><p>When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a></p><p><br></p><p>References mentioned in this continuing education podcast can be found in the course on <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">our learning platform</a>.</p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Link tree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Therapists Should Know About Dissociation and Dissociative Disorders: An Interview with Dr. Jamie Marich</title>
      <description>What Therapists Should Know About Dissociation and Dissociative Disorders: An Interview with Dr. Jamie Marich
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jamie Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple, about dissociation and dissociative identities. We talk with Jamie about what therapists often get wrong as well as some basics on what dissociation is and how best to understand and treat it (when it actually needs treating).
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can support clients navigating dissociation
A friend of the show, Dr. Jamie Marich, wrote a book Dissociation Made Simple, and we wanted to talk about it!
What are therapists getting wrong when learning about and treating dissociation?

Not believing in dissociative identities or dissociative systems

Fear of and misunderstanding of dissociation

Thinking of dissociation as a dirt word and something to avoid

Believing that dissociation must always be healed (when in fact it could be useful at times)

What is dissociation? What is dissociative identity disorder or dissociative experience?

Exploring different definitions and conceptualizations

It is a lot of different things

Severing/separating from the present moment or from aspects of ourselves

Disaggregation or dividing your self into parts

Purposeful, meeting a need or protection

The shift to thinking about elements of dissociation as adaptive or maladaptive situationally

How can therapists support clients in understanding and managing their own dissociation?

Helping clients to identify what purpose their dissociation is serving

Assessing dissociative profile through an inventory in the book (triggers, how we dissociate, adaptive/maladaptive)

All dissociative behaviors can be assessed as adaptive or maladaptive

How can a therapist assess for dissociative identities or systems?

Language may vary (parts, defenders, team, selves, side, aspect, etc.)

Previous diagnosis or self-diagnosis

Listen for the experience (a “part of me” wants this, a “side of me” wants this)

Speaking in a parts-informed way

Exploring for thinking from different parts of self, potentially even already with names

Dissociative Identities inventories

What are clinical goals with clients who have dissociative experiences and/or identities?

When working with someone with a system, will need to get buy in from all elements of the team for treatment goals

Goals may not align across different parts

The theory that you’re working with a family

Many clients have Chronic PTSD and the focus of treatment may be trauma

The importance of being trauma informed

Grounding, anchoring, or settling into the present moment

The goal is usually NOT integration

Cohesion, communication, or cooperation

How can therapists overcome their fear about dissociation?

Identifying your own dissociation

Overcoming the “us versus them” related to dissociation

Moving away from bias and stereotypes of folks who dissociate


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Dissociation Made Simple (the book)
Jamie’s website: redefinetherapy.com
Jamie’s social media:
 Trauma Therapist Rants on Twitter
Trauma Therapist Rants on TikTok

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2023 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Therapists Should Know About Dissociation and Dissociative Disorders: An Interview with Dr. Jamie Marich</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jamie Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple, about dissociation and dissociative identities. We talk with Jamie about what therapists often get wrong as well as some basics on what dissociation is and how best to understand and treat it (when it actually needs treating). </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Therapists Should Know About Dissociation and Dissociative Disorders: An Interview with Dr. Jamie Marich
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jamie Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple, about dissociation and dissociative identities. We talk with Jamie about what therapists often get wrong as well as some basics on what dissociation is and how best to understand and treat it (when it actually needs treating).
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can support clients navigating dissociation
A friend of the show, Dr. Jamie Marich, wrote a book Dissociation Made Simple, and we wanted to talk about it!
What are therapists getting wrong when learning about and treating dissociation?

Not believing in dissociative identities or dissociative systems

Fear of and misunderstanding of dissociation

Thinking of dissociation as a dirt word and something to avoid

Believing that dissociation must always be healed (when in fact it could be useful at times)

What is dissociation? What is dissociative identity disorder or dissociative experience?

Exploring different definitions and conceptualizations

It is a lot of different things

Severing/separating from the present moment or from aspects of ourselves

Disaggregation or dividing your self into parts

Purposeful, meeting a need or protection

The shift to thinking about elements of dissociation as adaptive or maladaptive situationally

How can therapists support clients in understanding and managing their own dissociation?

Helping clients to identify what purpose their dissociation is serving

Assessing dissociative profile through an inventory in the book (triggers, how we dissociate, adaptive/maladaptive)

All dissociative behaviors can be assessed as adaptive or maladaptive

How can a therapist assess for dissociative identities or systems?

Language may vary (parts, defenders, team, selves, side, aspect, etc.)

Previous diagnosis or self-diagnosis

Listen for the experience (a “part of me” wants this, a “side of me” wants this)

Speaking in a parts-informed way

Exploring for thinking from different parts of self, potentially even already with names

Dissociative Identities inventories

What are clinical goals with clients who have dissociative experiences and/or identities?

When working with someone with a system, will need to get buy in from all elements of the team for treatment goals

Goals may not align across different parts

The theory that you’re working with a family

Many clients have Chronic PTSD and the focus of treatment may be trauma

The importance of being trauma informed

Grounding, anchoring, or settling into the present moment

The goal is usually NOT integration

Cohesion, communication, or cooperation

How can therapists overcome their fear about dissociation?

Identifying your own dissociation

Overcoming the “us versus them” related to dissociation

Moving away from bias and stereotypes of folks who dissociate


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Dissociation Made Simple (the book)
Jamie’s website: redefinetherapy.com
Jamie’s social media:
 Trauma Therapist Rants on Twitter
Trauma Therapist Rants on TikTok

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What Therapists Should Know About Dissociation and Dissociative Disorders: An Interview with Dr. Jamie Marich</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Jamie Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple, about dissociation and dissociative identities. We talk with Jamie about what therapists often get wrong as well as some basics on what dissociation is and how best to understand and treat it (when it actually needs treating).</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can support clients navigating dissociation</h2><p>A friend of the show, Dr. Jamie Marich, wrote a book Dissociation Made Simple, and we wanted to talk about it!</p><h3>What are therapists getting wrong when learning about and treating dissociation?</h3><ul>
<li>Not believing in dissociative identities or dissociative systems</li>
<li>Fear of and misunderstanding of dissociation</li>
<li>Thinking of dissociation as a dirt word and something to avoid</li>
<li>Believing that dissociation must always be healed (when in fact it could be useful at times)</li>
</ul><h3>What is dissociation? What is dissociative identity disorder or dissociative experience?</h3><ul>
<li>Exploring different definitions and conceptualizations</li>
<li>It is a lot of different things</li>
<li>Severing/separating from the present moment or from aspects of ourselves</li>
<li>Disaggregation or dividing your self into parts</li>
<li>Purposeful, meeting a need or protection</li>
<li>The shift to thinking about elements of dissociation as adaptive or maladaptive situationally</li>
</ul><h3>How can therapists support clients in understanding and managing their own dissociation?</h3><ul>
<li>Helping clients to identify what purpose their dissociation is serving</li>
<li>Assessing dissociative profile through an inventory in the book (triggers, how we dissociate, adaptive/maladaptive)</li>
<li>All dissociative behaviors can be assessed as adaptive or maladaptive</li>
</ul><h3>How can a therapist assess for dissociative identities or systems?</h3><ul>
<li>Language may vary (parts, defenders, team, selves, side, aspect, etc.)</li>
<li>Previous diagnosis or self-diagnosis</li>
<li>Listen for the experience (a “part of me” wants this, a “side of me” wants this)</li>
<li>Speaking in a parts-informed way</li>
<li>Exploring for thinking from different parts of self, potentially even already with names</li>
<li>Dissociative Identities inventories</li>
</ul><h3>What are clinical goals with clients who have dissociative experiences and/or identities?</h3><ul>
<li>When working with someone with a system, will need to get buy in from all elements of the team for treatment goals</li>
<li>Goals may not align across different parts</li>
<li>The theory that you’re working with a family</li>
<li>Many clients have Chronic PTSD and the focus of treatment may be trauma</li>
<li>The importance of being trauma informed</li>
<li>Grounding, anchoring, or settling into the present moment</li>
<li>The goal is usually NOT integration</li>
<li>Cohesion, communication, or cooperation</li>
</ul><h3>How can therapists overcome their fear about dissociation?</h3><ul>
<li>Identifying your own dissociation</li>
<li>Overcoming the “us versus them” related to dissociation</li>
<li>Moving away from bias and stereotypes of folks who dissociate</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/710427/dissociation-made-simple-by-jamie-marich/">Dissociation Made Simple (the book)</a></p><p>Jamie’s website: <a href="https://redefinetherapy.com/">redefinetherapy.com</a></p><p>Jamie’s social media:</p><p> <a href="https://twitter.com/ttherapistrants">Trauma Therapist Rants on Twitter</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@traumatherapistrants">Trauma Therapist Rants on TikTok</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Understanding Your Money in Private Practice: An Interview with Jennie Schottmiller</title>
      <description>Understanding Your Money in Private Practice: An Interview with Jennie Schottmiller
Curt and Katie interview Jennie Schottmiller, LMFT, CPA, about understanding your numbers when starting a private practice. We explore the simple math that can help you create consistent income and decrease your anxiety about running a business. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can handle their private practice finances
We reached out to our friend, Jennie Schottmiller, to talk about the basics of bookkeeping in private practice. 
What are the business decisions therapists need to make when starting a private practice?

Bookkeeping platforms

Types of business

How to stabilize their income

What to pay themselves

How do therapists create consistent income?

Understanding the ebb and flow of the business

Identifying how to pay a consistent income every month

What are the fears that many private practice owners have? (And how can they deal with them?)

What do I need to plan for (i.e., rational fears)

What do I need to talk myself of the ledge about (i.e., irrational fears)

The fear of math can keep folks from figuring out how to make the money work

The benefits of starting slow and managing your expenses from the beginning

Creating financial cushions to avoid freaking out

What are best practices for addressing your books in private practice?

How often should you look at your books?

What numbers are you looking at?

When should you hire a bookkeeper?

What should you know about your books before you hire a bookkeeper?

How to design your books to best monitor your unique business

Managing expenses and understanding what you’re paying for

Looking at year over year changes and trends to plan

How can a therapist navigate their neurodivergence and starting a business?

Understanding your capacities and what your challenges are

Creating a plan to get stuff done

Putting systems in place to address your challenges that works for how your brain works

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Simple Profit website
Simple Profit on Instagram
Simple Profit on Facebook
Free Facebook group: Simple Profit for Mental Health Clinicians

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee


Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>Understanding Your Money in Private Practice: An Interview with Jennie Schottmiller
Curt and Katie interview Jennie Schottmiller, LMFT, CPA, about understanding your numbers when starting a private practice. We explore the simple math that can help you create consistent income and decrease your anxiety about running a business. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can handle their private practice finances
We reached out to our friend, Jennie Schottmiller, to talk about the basics of bookkeeping in private practice. 
What are the business decisions therapists need to make when starting a private practice?

Bookkeeping platforms

Types of business

How to stabilize their income

What to pay themselves

How do therapists create consistent income?

Understanding the ebb and flow of the business

Identifying how to pay a consistent income every month

What are the fears that many private practice owners have? (And how can they deal with them?)

What do I need to plan for (i.e., rational fears)

What do I need to talk myself of the ledge about (i.e., irrational fears)

The fear of math can keep folks from figuring out how to make the money work

The benefits of starting slow and managing your expenses from the beginning

Creating financial cushions to avoid freaking out

What are best practices for addressing your books in private practice?

How often should you look at your books?

What numbers are you looking at?

When should you hire a bookkeeper?

What should you know about your books before you hire a bookkeeper?

How to design your books to best monitor your unique business

Managing expenses and understanding what you’re paying for

Looking at year over year changes and trends to plan

How can a therapist navigate their neurodivergence and starting a business?

Understanding your capacities and what your challenges are

Creating a plan to get stuff done

Putting systems in place to address your challenges that works for how your brain works

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Simple Profit website
Simple Profit on Instagram
Simple Profit on Facebook
Free Facebook group: Simple Profit for Mental Health Clinicians

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee


Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Understanding Your Money in Private Practice: An Interview with Jennie Schottmiller</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Jennie Schottmiller, LMFT, CPA, about understanding your numbers when starting a private practice. We explore the simple math that can help you create consistent income and decrease your anxiety about running a business. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can handle their private practice finances</h2><p>We reached out to our friend, Jennie Schottmiller, to talk about the basics of bookkeeping in private practice. </p><h3>What are the business decisions therapists need to make when starting a private practice?</h3><ul>
<li>Bookkeeping platforms</li>
<li>Types of business</li>
<li>How to stabilize their income</li>
<li>What to pay themselves</li>
</ul><h3>How do therapists create consistent income?</h3><ul>
<li>Understanding the ebb and flow of the business</li>
<li>Identifying how to pay a consistent income every month</li>
</ul><h3>What are the fears that many private practice owners have? (And how can they deal with them?)</h3><ul>
<li>What do I need to plan for (i.e., rational fears)</li>
<li>What do I need to talk myself of the ledge about (i.e., irrational fears)</li>
<li>The fear of math can keep folks from figuring out how to make the money work</li>
<li>The benefits of starting slow and managing your expenses from the beginning</li>
<li>Creating financial cushions to avoid freaking out</li>
</ul><h3>What are best practices for addressing your books in private practice?</h3><ul>
<li>How often should you look at your books?</li>
<li>What numbers are you looking at?</li>
<li>When should you hire a bookkeeper?</li>
<li>What should you know about your books before you hire a bookkeeper?</li>
<li>How to design your books to best monitor your unique business</li>
<li>Managing expenses and understanding what you’re paying for</li>
<li>Looking at year over year changes and trends to plan</li>
</ul><h3>How can a therapist navigate their neurodivergence and starting a business?</h3><ul>
<li>Understanding your capacities and what your challenges are</li>
<li>Creating a plan to get stuff done</li>
<li>Putting systems in place to address your challenges that works for how your brain works</li>
</ul><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.simpleprofit.com/">Simple Profit website</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/simpleprofitcpa/">Simple Profit on Instagram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/simpleprofitcpa/">Simple Profit on Facebook</a></p><p>Free Facebook group: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/2150651885192093">Simple Profit for Mental Health Clinicians</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Has Therapy Become the New Religion?</title>
      <description>Has Therapy Become the New Religion?
Curt and Katie chat about op ed pieces from the New York Times, where there are a lot of opinions on what therapy is and should be. We explore comparisons of therapy to religion, the notion that going to therapy makes one good, safe and dateable, and how therapy seems to have invaded our lives.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the opinion that therapy has become morally good
Katie likes reading New York Times Op Ed pieces on what therapy is now. We decided to explore some of the questions these articles raise.
What does the New York Times have to say about therapy and therapists?

Going to therapy makes you a good person

Putting that you’re going to therapy on your dating app is a cheat code – meaning that you are safe to date

We have reached a point where we’re more focused on “mental health” than on mental illness

Therapy-speak has invaded everything

It is toxic to tell everyone to go to therapy

What is leading to comparisons of therapy to religion?

Decreased membership in organized religion

Finding your own morals and values outside of organized religion

Finding meaning and purpose through the work you do in therapy

A fear of the degradation of social contracts and a rise of moral relativism

How are people framing the role of the therapist?

Potential for individual exploration of how to live one’s life that is individualized and less tied to specific doctrine

Another potential to be seen as giving direction on how to live life

The role of community care versus individualized healing

Relationship versus individual focus

The nuance of what therapy is versus the fears of what is being done

What is the fear about therapy being so central in our lives?

The worry that people are too self-focused and not sufficiently other focused

Pushing back on the status quo and established systems

The notion that “therapy is good” and “all people need therapy”

Therapy as a status symbol or a designation that I’m a good person

Lack of access for folks with mental illness due to “worried well” and “personal growth” clients taking all of the spots


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
New York Times’ Articles:
Why Do People Think Going to Therapy Makes You A Good Person? By Mychal Denzel Smith
We Have Reached Peak ‘Mental Health’ by Huw Green
Is it Toxic to Tell Everyone to Get Therapy? By Zachary Siegel
How the Language of Therapy Took Over Dating by Dani Blum
The Problem with Letting Therapy-Speak Invade Everything by Tara Isabella Burton

Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?
Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Has Therapy Become the New Religion?
Curt and Katie chat about op ed pieces from the New York Times, where there are a lot of opinions on what therapy is and should be. We explore comparisons of therapy to religion, the notion that going to therapy makes one good, safe and dateable, and how therapy seems to have invaded our lives.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the opinion that therapy has become morally good
Katie likes reading New York Times Op Ed pieces on what therapy is now. We decided to explore some of the questions these articles raise.
What does the New York Times have to say about therapy and therapists?

Going to therapy makes you a good person

Putting that you’re going to therapy on your dating app is a cheat code – meaning that you are safe to date

We have reached a point where we’re more focused on “mental health” than on mental illness

Therapy-speak has invaded everything

It is toxic to tell everyone to go to therapy

What is leading to comparisons of therapy to religion?

Decreased membership in organized religion

Finding your own morals and values outside of organized religion

Finding meaning and purpose through the work you do in therapy

A fear of the degradation of social contracts and a rise of moral relativism

How are people framing the role of the therapist?

Potential for individual exploration of how to live one’s life that is individualized and less tied to specific doctrine

Another potential to be seen as giving direction on how to live life

The role of community care versus individualized healing

Relationship versus individual focus

The nuance of what therapy is versus the fears of what is being done

What is the fear about therapy being so central in our lives?

The worry that people are too self-focused and not sufficiently other focused

Pushing back on the status quo and established systems

The notion that “therapy is good” and “all people need therapy”

Therapy as a status symbol or a designation that I’m a good person

Lack of access for folks with mental illness due to “worried well” and “personal growth” clients taking all of the spots


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
New York Times’ Articles:
Why Do People Think Going to Therapy Makes You A Good Person? By Mychal Denzel Smith
We Have Reached Peak ‘Mental Health’ by Huw Green
Is it Toxic to Tell Everyone to Get Therapy? By Zachary Siegel
How the Language of Therapy Took Over Dating by Dani Blum
The Problem with Letting Therapy-Speak Invade Everything by Tara Isabella Burton

Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined

Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?
Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Has Therapy Become the New Religion?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about op ed pieces from the New York Times, where there are a lot of opinions on what therapy is and should be. We explore comparisons of therapy to religion, the notion that going to therapy makes one good, safe and dateable, and how therapy seems to have invaded our lives.   </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about the opinion that therapy has become morally good</h2><p>Katie likes reading New York Times Op Ed pieces on what therapy is now. We decided to explore some of the questions these articles raise.</p><h3>What does the New York Times have to say about therapy and therapists?</h3><ul>
<li>Going to therapy makes you a good person</li>
<li>Putting that you’re going to therapy on your dating app is a cheat code – meaning that you are safe to date</li>
<li>We have reached a point where we’re more focused on “mental health” than on mental illness</li>
<li>Therapy-speak has invaded everything</li>
<li>It is toxic to tell everyone to go to therapy</li>
</ul><h3>What is leading to comparisons of therapy to religion?</h3><ul>
<li>Decreased membership in organized religion</li>
<li>Finding your own morals and values outside of organized religion</li>
<li>Finding meaning and purpose through the work you do in therapy</li>
<li>A fear of the degradation of social contracts and a rise of moral relativism</li>
</ul><h3>How are people framing the role of the therapist?</h3><ul>
<li>Potential for individual exploration of how to live one’s life that is individualized and less tied to specific doctrine</li>
<li>Another potential to be seen as giving direction on how to live life</li>
<li>The role of community care versus individualized healing</li>
<li>Relationship versus individual focus</li>
<li>The nuance of what therapy is versus the fears of what is being done</li>
</ul><h3>What is the fear about therapy being so central in our lives?</h3><ul>
<li>The worry that people are too self-focused and not sufficiently other focused</li>
<li>Pushing back on the status quo and established systems</li>
<li>The notion that “therapy is good” and “all people need therapy”</li>
<li>Therapy as a status symbol or a designation that I’m a good person</li>
<li>Lack of access for folks with mental illness due to “worried well” and “personal growth” clients taking all of the spots</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>New York Times’ Articles:</p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/11/opinion/therapy-america.html">Why Do People Think Going to Therapy Makes You A Good Person? By Mychal Denzel Smith</a></p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/20/opinion/us-mental-health-awareness.html">We Have Reached Peak ‘Mental Health’ by Huw Green</a></p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/30/magazine/therapy-stutz-movie.html">Is it Toxic to Tell Everyone to Get Therapy? By Zachary Siegel</a></p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/11/style/therapy-speak-dating.html">How the Language of Therapy Took Over Dating by Dani Blum</a></p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/12/opinion/mental-health-therapy-instagram.html">The Problem with Letting Therapy-Speak Invade Everything by Tara Isabella Burton</a></p><p><br></p><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><p><br></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/is-therapy-an-opiate-of-the-masses/">Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/navigating-the-social-media-self-diagnosis-trend/">Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Understanding Impostor Syndrome in High Achievers: An Interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT</title>
      <description>Understanding Impostor Syndrome in High Achievers: An Interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Stevon Lewison working with high achievers who struggle with impostor syndrome. We explored what impostor syndrome is, how society contributes to impostor syndrome, how you can differentiate impostor syndrome from internalized racism, sexism, heterosexism, ableism, etc., the emotional impacts of impostor syndrome, and how therapists can work effectively with these clients. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how impostor syndrome shows up in high achievers
We reached out to our friend, Stevon Lewis, to explore impostor syndrome. 
What do therapists miss related to treating impostor syndrome in high achievers?

Looking at the symptoms versus the root cause

Understanding the common patterns

How does society contribute to impostor syndrome?

 Productivity and detail-orientation are praised

The role of humility and Stevon’s difficulty with the accepted definition of humility

Subcultures that are hyper-focused on achievement and competition

The impact of a marginalized identity or identities on impostor syndrome

How can therapists support high achievers with impostor syndrome in therapy?

Slowing down the conversation

Shifting the language related to goal-setting

Finding a path to celebrating wins

Perspective taking on how you treat yourself versus how you treat others

Self-compassion and self-understanding

How do you sort out impostor syndrome from internalized racism, sexism, ableism, etc.?

Contending with stereotypes and unreasonable expectations

Looking at the environment within which someone is working or living

The impact of parenting and what you’ve grown up with

Emotional impacts of Impostor Syndrome

Description of the inner bully

Fear of being found out, not belonging

Fear of being a disappointment or of being too successful

The danger of exploitation, especially for folks who have traditionally been marginalized

The pushback when you are being different

What does healing look like for high achievers with impostor syndrome?

Radical acceptance of self

Getting freedom

Self-compassion


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
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Stevon’s Website
Stevon’s Journal: Silencing Your Inner Bully

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
LinkTree

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Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Stevon Lewison working with high achievers who struggle with impostor syndrome. We explored what impostor syndrome is, how society contributes to impostor syndrome, how you can differentiate impostor syndrome from internalized racism, sexism, heterosexism, ableism, etc., the emotional impacts of impostor syndrome, and how therapists can work effectively with these clients. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Understanding Impostor Syndrome in High Achievers: An Interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Stevon Lewison working with high achievers who struggle with impostor syndrome. We explored what impostor syndrome is, how society contributes to impostor syndrome, how you can differentiate impostor syndrome from internalized racism, sexism, heterosexism, ableism, etc., the emotional impacts of impostor syndrome, and how therapists can work effectively with these clients. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about how impostor syndrome shows up in high achievers
We reached out to our friend, Stevon Lewis, to explore impostor syndrome. 
What do therapists miss related to treating impostor syndrome in high achievers?

Looking at the symptoms versus the root cause

Understanding the common patterns

How does society contribute to impostor syndrome?

 Productivity and detail-orientation are praised

The role of humility and Stevon’s difficulty with the accepted definition of humility

Subcultures that are hyper-focused on achievement and competition

The impact of a marginalized identity or identities on impostor syndrome

How can therapists support high achievers with impostor syndrome in therapy?

Slowing down the conversation

Shifting the language related to goal-setting

Finding a path to celebrating wins

Perspective taking on how you treat yourself versus how you treat others

Self-compassion and self-understanding

How do you sort out impostor syndrome from internalized racism, sexism, ableism, etc.?

Contending with stereotypes and unreasonable expectations

Looking at the environment within which someone is working or living

The impact of parenting and what you’ve grown up with

Emotional impacts of Impostor Syndrome

Description of the inner bully

Fear of being found out, not belonging

Fear of being a disappointment or of being too successful

The danger of exploitation, especially for folks who have traditionally been marginalized

The pushback when you are being different

What does healing look like for high achievers with impostor syndrome?

Radical acceptance of self

Getting freedom

Self-compassion


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Stevon’s Website
Stevon’s Journal: Silencing Your Inner Bully

Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
LinkTree

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>Looking at the symptoms versus the root cause</li>
<li>Understanding the common patterns</li>
</ul><h3>How does society contribute to impostor syndrome?</h3><ul>
<li> Productivity and detail-orientation are praised</li>
<li>The role of humility and Stevon’s difficulty with the accepted definition of humility</li>
<li>Subcultures that are hyper-focused on achievement and competition</li>
<li>The impact of a marginalized identity or identities on impostor syndrome</li>
</ul><h3>How can therapists support high achievers with impostor syndrome in therapy?</h3><ul>
<li>Slowing down the conversation</li>
<li>Shifting the language related to goal-setting</li>
<li>Finding a path to celebrating wins</li>
<li>Perspective taking on how you treat yourself versus how you treat others</li>
<li>Self-compassion and self-understanding</li>
</ul><h3>How do you sort out impostor syndrome from internalized racism, sexism, ableism, etc.?</h3><ul>
<li>Contending with stereotypes and unreasonable expectations</li>
<li>Looking at the environment within which someone is working or living</li>
<li>The impact of parenting and what you’ve grown up with</li>
</ul><h3>Emotional impacts of Impostor Syndrome</h3><ul>
<li>Description of the inner bully</li>
<li>Fear of being found out, not belonging</li>
<li>Fear of being a disappointment or of being too successful</li>
<li>The danger of exploitation, especially for folks who have traditionally been marginalized</li>
<li>The pushback when you are being different</li>
</ul><h3>What does healing look like for high achievers with impostor syndrome?</h3><ul>
<li>Radical acceptance of self</li>
<li>Getting freedom</li>
<li>Self-compassion</li>
</ul><p><br></p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.stevonlewis.com/">Stevon’s Website</a></p><p>Stevon’s Journal: <a href="https://www.acknowledgmentjournal.com/">Silencing Your Inner Bully</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">LinkTree</a></p><h2><br></h2><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Supervision in the Real World: Understanding what makes an effective  supervisory alliance</title>
      <description>Supervision in the Real World: Understanding what makes an effective supervisory alliance
Curt and Katie chat about the relationship between supervisor and supervisee in clinical supervision. We explore what makes up a good supervisory alliance, what the research says (and why it is problematic), as well the practicalities of how to create a good relationship and set up a strong supervision meeting. We also look at the challenges in the real world, especially related to addressing business or administrative needs.  
This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore the clinical supervisory alliance for therapists
We know that the relationship is very important in therapy, but what about supervision? We dig into what makes an effective supervisory alliance (and what can hurt it).
What makes up a good clinical supervision relationship for therapists?

Teaching within a learning alliance

Having a shared view of what is being worked on

Rapport, shared supervisory goals, shared tasks by which those goals are pursued

Research on clinical supervision is problematic

Mechanisms by which efficacy is measured

Poor timing of research (developmental stage of the supervisee as well as after supervision is done)

What does an effective clinical supervisory alliance look like, practically?

Strong relationship that holds space for an assessment of what the supervisee needs at their particular developmental stage

Supervisory Alliance measures can help to identify how well this relationship is developing

Using feedback to inform the conversations in supervision

Cultural and gender impacts on the supervisory alliance

Supervisor humility and openness

Intentionality with how the relationship is developed

Regular evaluations for supervisees, including the FASIT (Functional Assessment of Skills for Interpersonal Therapists) system from Behavioral Analysts to assess their skills

Setting up an effective supervisory session

Navigating the business and clinical needs within the supervisory relationship

Creating an agenda and goals

Balancing case presentation with other supervisory needs

Clear about expectations at every stage, especially relevant at hiring

Pulling administrative conversations out of clinical supervision meetings

Finding agreed upon path to address clinical work

Cultural humility within the supervisory relationship

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals: Please check continuing education approval bodies: Continuing Education Information


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Sign up to get on the list for Curt’s supervision workshop
Saving Psychotherapy by Dr. Ben Caldwell
A Few Thoughts on Impostor Syndrome by Dr. Jordan Harris
*The full reference list can be found in the course on our learning platform.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the relationship between supervisor and supervisee in clinical supervision. We explore what makes up a good supervisory alliance, what the research says (and why it is problematic), as well the practicalities of how to create a good relationship and set up a strong supervision meeting. We also look at the challenges in the real world, especially related to addressing business or administrative needs.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Supervision in the Real World: Understanding what makes an effective supervisory alliance
Curt and Katie chat about the relationship between supervisor and supervisee in clinical supervision. We explore what makes up a good supervisory alliance, what the research says (and why it is problematic), as well the practicalities of how to create a good relationship and set up a strong supervision meeting. We also look at the challenges in the real world, especially related to addressing business or administrative needs.  
This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore the clinical supervisory alliance for therapists
We know that the relationship is very important in therapy, but what about supervision? We dig into what makes an effective supervisory alliance (and what can hurt it).
What makes up a good clinical supervision relationship for therapists?

Teaching within a learning alliance

Having a shared view of what is being worked on

Rapport, shared supervisory goals, shared tasks by which those goals are pursued

Research on clinical supervision is problematic

Mechanisms by which efficacy is measured

Poor timing of research (developmental stage of the supervisee as well as after supervision is done)

What does an effective clinical supervisory alliance look like, practically?

Strong relationship that holds space for an assessment of what the supervisee needs at their particular developmental stage

Supervisory Alliance measures can help to identify how well this relationship is developing

Using feedback to inform the conversations in supervision

Cultural and gender impacts on the supervisory alliance

Supervisor humility and openness

Intentionality with how the relationship is developed

Regular evaluations for supervisees, including the FASIT (Functional Assessment of Skills for Interpersonal Therapists) system from Behavioral Analysts to assess their skills

Setting up an effective supervisory session

Navigating the business and clinical needs within the supervisory relationship

Creating an agenda and goals

Balancing case presentation with other supervisory needs

Clear about expectations at every stage, especially relevant at hiring

Pulling administrative conversations out of clinical supervision meetings

Finding agreed upon path to address clinical work

Cultural humility within the supervisory relationship

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals: Please check continuing education approval bodies: Continuing Education Information


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Sign up to get on the list for Curt’s supervision workshop
Saving Psychotherapy by Dr. Ben Caldwell
A Few Thoughts on Impostor Syndrome by Dr. Jordan Harris
*The full reference list can be found in the course on our learning platform.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Supervision in the Real World: Understanding what makes an effective supervisory alliance</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the relationship between supervisor and supervisee in clinical supervision. We explore what makes up a good supervisory alliance, what the research says (and why it is problematic), as well the practicalities of how to create a good relationship and set up a strong supervision meeting. We also look at the challenges in the real world, especially related to addressing business or administrative needs.  </p><p>This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we explore the clinical supervisory alliance for therapists</h2><p>We know that the relationship is very important in therapy, but what about supervision? We dig into what makes an effective supervisory alliance (and what can hurt it).</p><h3>What makes up a good clinical supervision relationship for therapists?</h3><ul>
<li>Teaching within a learning alliance</li>
<li>Having a shared view of what is being worked on</li>
<li>Rapport, shared supervisory goals, shared tasks by which those goals are pursued</li>
</ul><h3>Research on clinical supervision is problematic</h3><ul>
<li>Mechanisms by which efficacy is measured</li>
<li>Poor timing of research (developmental stage of the supervisee as well as after supervision is done)</li>
</ul><h3>What does an effective clinical supervisory alliance look like, practically?</h3><ul>
<li>Strong relationship that holds space for an assessment of what the supervisee needs at their particular developmental stage</li>
<li>Supervisory Alliance measures can help to identify how well this relationship is developing</li>
<li>Using feedback to inform the conversations in supervision</li>
<li>Cultural and gender impacts on the supervisory alliance</li>
<li>Supervisor humility and openness</li>
<li>Intentionality with how the relationship is developed</li>
<li>Regular evaluations for supervisees, including the FASIT (Functional Assessment of Skills for Interpersonal Therapists) system from Behavioral Analysts to assess their skills</li>
</ul><h3>Setting up an effective supervisory session</h3><ul>
<li>Navigating the business and clinical needs within the supervisory relationship</li>
<li>Creating an agenda and goals</li>
<li>Balancing case presentation with other supervisory needs</li>
<li>Clear about expectations at every stage, especially relevant at hiring</li>
<li>Pulling administrative conversations out of clinical supervision meetings</li>
<li>Finding agreed upon path to address clinical work</li>
<li>Cultural humility within the supervisory relationship</li>
</ul><h2>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</h2><p>You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a></p><h3>Continuing Education Approvals: Please check continuing education approval bodies: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a>
</h3><p><br></p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://bit.ly/TRSupervisionWS-Interest">Sign up to get on the list for Curt’s supervision workshop</a></p><p><a href="https://www.psychotherapynotes.com/saving-psychotherapy/">Saving Psychotherapy by Dr. Ben Caldwell</a></p><p><a href="https://www.jordanthecounselor.com/post/imposter-syndrome-2?">A Few Thoughts on Impostor Syndrome by Dr. Jordan Harris</a></p><p>*The full reference list can be found in the course on <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">our learning platform</a>.</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Sex Therapy with Perfectionists: An Interview with Dr. Tom Murray</title>
      <description>Sex Therapy with Perfectionists: An Interview with Dr. Tom Murray
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Tom Murray about sex therapy for clients with the overcontrolled temperament. We talk about how temperament can affect one’s sex life, what therapists often miss in conversations about sex, and what good sex therapy can look like for these clients. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Dr. Tom Murray
Dr. Tom Murray, author, international trainer, educator, and couples and sex therapist-supervisor, is a widely sought-after expert in sexuality and intimate relationships. For 20+ years, Murray has worked with everyday folks to embrace their weirdness, shed labels and shame, lean into anxiety, and build better and stronger relationships. Murray has appeared in numerous venues, including the Huffington Post and The Daily Mail, as well as radio, television and podcasts, including the Practice of Being Seen and Shrink Rap Radio. Murray directs A Path to Wellness, a multidisciplinary practice providing sex therapy, couples counseling, and general psychotherapy. He authored "Making Nice with Naughty: An intimacy guide for the rule-following, organized, perfectionist, practical, and color-within-the-line types."
In this podcast episode, we talk about how temperament can impact your sex life
We reached out to Dr. Tom Murray to share with us about his new book, Making Nice with Naughty, and how therapists can understand how to help perfectionists (and other over-controlled types) can improve their sex life.
What is the overcontrolled personality and how does it impact sex and sexuality?

Personality characteristics and mindset (introspective, fixed or fatalistic mindset)

Perfectionism, rigidity, and hypervigilance

Sexual deficits (low receptivity, avoidance of novel situations, need for ritual)

Typically choose monogamy as overarching rule for sexual relationships

The impact of trauma on those who are predisposed to the overcontrolled temperament

The complication of past trauma on current relationships

The challenge and the work of helping clients show up as the sexual being they would like to be

How can therapists help overcontrolled adults to improve their sexual functioning?

The goal of self-acceptance and the importance of learning about sex as an adult

The rights and responsibilities of monogamy

Sexual discrepancy and forced celibacy

Looking at the difference between “want” and “willing” to have sex

Understanding the different types of desire (spontaneous, responsive, contextual) and what is typical for each partner

How to overcome low sexual desire in relationships

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
The book: Making Nice with Naughty: An Intimacy Guide for the Rule-Following, Organized, Perfectionist, Practical, and Color-Within-The-Line Types by Dr. Thomas L. Murray Jr
Tom’s website: drtommurray.com
Dr. Tom Murray on Instagram
Dr. Tom Murray on TikTok
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Sex and Shame: An interview with Eliza Boquin, LMFT
Let’s Talk about Sex: An interview with Liz Dube, LMFT
What Therapists Should Know About Sexual Health, Monkey Pox, and the Echoes of the AIDS Epidemic: An Interview with Mallory Garrett, LMFT
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Sex Therapy with Perfectionists: An Interview with Dr. Tom Murray</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Tom Murray about sex therapy for clients with the overcontrolled temperament. We talk about how temperament can affect one’s sex life, what therapists often miss in conversations about sex, and what good sex therapy can look like for these clients. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Sex Therapy with Perfectionists: An Interview with Dr. Tom Murray
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Tom Murray about sex therapy for clients with the overcontrolled temperament. We talk about how temperament can affect one’s sex life, what therapists often miss in conversations about sex, and what good sex therapy can look like for these clients. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Dr. Tom Murray
Dr. Tom Murray, author, international trainer, educator, and couples and sex therapist-supervisor, is a widely sought-after expert in sexuality and intimate relationships. For 20+ years, Murray has worked with everyday folks to embrace their weirdness, shed labels and shame, lean into anxiety, and build better and stronger relationships. Murray has appeared in numerous venues, including the Huffington Post and The Daily Mail, as well as radio, television and podcasts, including the Practice of Being Seen and Shrink Rap Radio. Murray directs A Path to Wellness, a multidisciplinary practice providing sex therapy, couples counseling, and general psychotherapy. He authored "Making Nice with Naughty: An intimacy guide for the rule-following, organized, perfectionist, practical, and color-within-the-line types."
In this podcast episode, we talk about how temperament can impact your sex life
We reached out to Dr. Tom Murray to share with us about his new book, Making Nice with Naughty, and how therapists can understand how to help perfectionists (and other over-controlled types) can improve their sex life.
What is the overcontrolled personality and how does it impact sex and sexuality?

Personality characteristics and mindset (introspective, fixed or fatalistic mindset)

Perfectionism, rigidity, and hypervigilance

Sexual deficits (low receptivity, avoidance of novel situations, need for ritual)

Typically choose monogamy as overarching rule for sexual relationships

The impact of trauma on those who are predisposed to the overcontrolled temperament

The complication of past trauma on current relationships

The challenge and the work of helping clients show up as the sexual being they would like to be

How can therapists help overcontrolled adults to improve their sexual functioning?

The goal of self-acceptance and the importance of learning about sex as an adult

The rights and responsibilities of monogamy

Sexual discrepancy and forced celibacy

Looking at the difference between “want” and “willing” to have sex

Understanding the different types of desire (spontaneous, responsive, contextual) and what is typical for each partner

How to overcome low sexual desire in relationships

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
The book: Making Nice with Naughty: An Intimacy Guide for the Rule-Following, Organized, Perfectionist, Practical, and Color-Within-The-Line Types by Dr. Thomas L. Murray Jr
Tom’s website: drtommurray.com
Dr. Tom Murray on Instagram
Dr. Tom Murray on TikTok
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Sex and Shame: An interview with Eliza Boquin, LMFT
Let’s Talk about Sex: An interview with Liz Dube, LMFT
What Therapists Should Know About Sexual Health, Monkey Pox, and the Echoes of the AIDS Epidemic: An Interview with Mallory Garrett, LMFT
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Sex Therapy with Perfectionists: An Interview with Dr. Tom Murray</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Tom Murray about sex therapy for clients with the overcontrolled temperament. We talk about how temperament can affect one’s sex life, what therapists often miss in conversations about sex, and what good sex therapy can look like for these clients. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>An Interview with Dr. Tom Murray</h2><p>Dr. Tom Murray, author, international trainer, educator, and couples and sex therapist-supervisor, is a widely sought-after expert in sexuality and intimate relationships. For 20+ years, Murray has worked with everyday folks to embrace their weirdness, shed labels and shame, lean into anxiety, and build better and stronger relationships. Murray has appeared in numerous venues, including the Huffington Post and The Daily Mail, as well as radio, television and podcasts, including the Practice of Being Seen and Shrink Rap Radio. Murray directs A Path to Wellness, a multidisciplinary practice providing sex therapy, couples counseling, and general psychotherapy. He authored "Making Nice with Naughty: An intimacy guide for the rule-following, organized, perfectionist, practical, and color-within-the-line types."</p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about how temperament can impact your sex life</h2><p>We reached out to Dr. Tom Murray to share with us about his new book, Making Nice with Naughty, and how therapists can understand how to help perfectionists (and other over-controlled types) can improve their sex life.</p><h3>What is the overcontrolled personality and how does it impact sex and sexuality?</h3><ul>
<li>Personality characteristics and mindset (introspective, fixed or fatalistic mindset)</li>
<li>Perfectionism, rigidity, and hypervigilance</li>
<li>Sexual deficits (low receptivity, avoidance of novel situations, need for ritual)</li>
<li>Typically choose monogamy as overarching rule for sexual relationships</li>
</ul><h3>The impact of trauma on those who are predisposed to the overcontrolled temperament</h3><ul>
<li>The complication of past trauma on current relationships</li>
<li>The challenge and the work of helping clients show up as the sexual being they would like to be</li>
</ul><h3>How can therapists help overcontrolled adults to improve their sexual functioning?</h3><ul>
<li>The goal of self-acceptance and the importance of learning about sex as an adult</li>
<li>The rights and responsibilities of monogamy</li>
<li>Sexual discrepancy and forced celibacy</li>
<li>Looking at the difference between “want” and “willing” to have sex</li>
<li>Understanding the different types of desire (spontaneous, responsive, contextual) and what is typical for each partner</li>
<li>How to overcome low sexual desire in relationships</li>
</ul><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>The book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Making-Nice-Naughty-Color-Within-Line-ebook/dp/B0BBDDFKNC/">Making Nice with Naughty: An Intimacy Guide for the Rule-Following, Organized, Perfectionist, Practical, and Color-Within-The-Line Types</a> by Dr. Thomas L. Murray Jr</p><p>Tom’s website: <a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://drtommurray.com&amp;sa=D&amp;source=calendar&amp;usd=2&amp;usg=AOvVaw3lCoI5opAeAlLrBWhk-qCn">drtommurray.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/drtommurray/">Dr. Tom Murray on Instagram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@realdrtommurray">Dr. Tom Murray on TikTok</a></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/sex-and-shame/">Sex and Shame: An interview with Eliza Boquin, LMFT</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/lets-talk-about-sex/">Let’s Talk about Sex: An interview with Liz Dube, LMFT</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/what-therapists-should-know-about-sexual-health-monkey-pox-and-the-echoes-of-the-aids-epidemic-an-interview-with-mallory-garrett-lmft/">What Therapists Should Know About Sexual Health, Monkey Pox, and the Echoes of the AIDS Epidemic: An Interview with Mallory Garrett, LMFT</a></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Actually is Therapy?</title>
      <description>What Actually is Therapy?
Curt and Katie chat about the confusing laws related to telehealth and other technologies that open up questions of how therapy is actually defined. We look at what is not therapy, what constitutes a therapy session, what differentiates therapy from coaching, and how therapists can navigate confusing laws related to texting, telehealth, and interstate communication with their clients. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about what therapy is and what it is not
Curt identified some laws that don’t quite work because what is considered therapy is changing. What time does therapy happen if you are texting? Where is it located? And what actually is therapy and needs to be held under the laws of the profession AND the laws regulating telehealth and technology?
Why does Curt want to fix the telehealth laws?

Rules surrounding knowing where your client is and safety depend on therapy happening concurrently.

New types of therapy (like texting and asynchronous messaging) don’t have the same parameters to be able to identify what is supposed to be documented in therapy sessions.

What is therapy and what is not therapy?

Therapy versus coaching

Therapy versus coping skills training

What is therapy versus what is therapeutic

Does the presence of a therapist make something therapy?

What about continuity of care or coping/coaching calls when someone is traveling?

Things that are called therapy and are not: retail therapy, conversion therapy

What is billable to insurance?

How do we differentiate what we do from non-therapists?

Deeper emotional work within psychological principles

Legal responsibilities of confidentiality

What is a therapy session?

Therapy sessions versus coaching calls

Therapists define what is a therapy session (according to CAMFT)

We need to make sure that we clarify with clients what therapy is with each of us

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Article from Stephen P. Becker – Wilderness Therapy: Ethical Considerations for Mental Health Professionals
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Rage and Client Self-Harm: An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT
It's the Lack of Thought That Counts: Ethical Decision-Making in Dual Relationships
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>What Actually is Therapy?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the confusing laws related to telehealth and other technologies that open up questions of how therapy is actually defined. We look at what is not therapy, what constitutes a therapy session, what differentiates therapy from coaching, and how therapists can navigate confusing laws related to texting, telehealth, and interstate communication with their clients. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Actually is Therapy?
Curt and Katie chat about the confusing laws related to telehealth and other technologies that open up questions of how therapy is actually defined. We look at what is not therapy, what constitutes a therapy session, what differentiates therapy from coaching, and how therapists can navigate confusing laws related to texting, telehealth, and interstate communication with their clients. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about what therapy is and what it is not
Curt identified some laws that don’t quite work because what is considered therapy is changing. What time does therapy happen if you are texting? Where is it located? And what actually is therapy and needs to be held under the laws of the profession AND the laws regulating telehealth and technology?
Why does Curt want to fix the telehealth laws?

Rules surrounding knowing where your client is and safety depend on therapy happening concurrently.

New types of therapy (like texting and asynchronous messaging) don’t have the same parameters to be able to identify what is supposed to be documented in therapy sessions.

What is therapy and what is not therapy?

Therapy versus coaching

Therapy versus coping skills training

What is therapy versus what is therapeutic

Does the presence of a therapist make something therapy?

What about continuity of care or coping/coaching calls when someone is traveling?

Things that are called therapy and are not: retail therapy, conversion therapy

What is billable to insurance?

How do we differentiate what we do from non-therapists?

Deeper emotional work within psychological principles

Legal responsibilities of confidentiality

What is a therapy session?

Therapy sessions versus coaching calls

Therapists define what is a therapy session (according to CAMFT)

We need to make sure that we clarify with clients what therapy is with each of us

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Article from Stephen P. Becker – Wilderness Therapy: Ethical Considerations for Mental Health Professionals
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Rage and Client Self-Harm: An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT
It's the Lack of Thought That Counts: Ethical Decision-Making in Dual Relationships
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What Actually is Therapy?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the confusing laws related to telehealth and other technologies that open up questions of how therapy is actually defined. We look at what is not therapy, what constitutes a therapy session, what differentiates therapy from coaching, and how therapists can navigate confusing laws related to texting, telehealth, and interstate communication with their clients. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about what therapy is and what it is not</h2><p>Curt identified some laws that don’t quite work because what is considered therapy is changing. What time does therapy happen if you are texting? Where is it located? And what actually is therapy and needs to be held under the laws of the profession AND the laws regulating telehealth and technology?</p><h3>Why does Curt want to fix the telehealth laws?</h3><ul>
<li>Rules surrounding knowing where your client is and safety depend on therapy happening concurrently.</li>
<li>New types of therapy (like texting and asynchronous messaging) don’t have the same parameters to be able to identify what is supposed to be documented in therapy sessions.</li>
</ul><h3>What is therapy and what is not therapy?</h3><ul>
<li>Therapy versus coaching</li>
<li>Therapy versus coping skills training</li>
<li>What is therapy versus what is therapeutic</li>
<li>Does the presence of a therapist make something therapy?</li>
<li>What about continuity of care or coping/coaching calls when someone is traveling?</li>
<li>Things that are called therapy and are not: retail therapy, conversion therapy</li>
<li>What is billable to insurance?</li>
</ul><h3>How do we differentiate what we do from non-therapists?</h3><ul>
<li>Deeper emotional work within psychological principles</li>
<li>Legal responsibilities of confidentiality</li>
</ul><h3>What is a therapy session?</h3><ul>
<li>Therapy sessions versus coaching calls</li>
<li>Therapists define what is a therapy session (according to CAMFT)</li>
<li>We need to make sure that we clarify with clients what therapy is with each of us</li>
</ul><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10566-009-9085-7">Article from Stephen P. Becker – Wilderness Therapy: Ethical Considerations for Mental Health Professionals</a></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/rage-and-client-self-harm/">Rage and Client Self-Harm: An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/its-the-lack-of-thought-that-counts-ethical-decision-making-in-dual-relationships/">It's the Lack of Thought That Counts: Ethical Decision-Making in Dual Relationships</a></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Am I Honoring My Personal Values OR Am I Discriminating? An exploration of ethics for modern therapists</title>
      <description>Am I Honoring My Personal Values OR Am I Discriminating? An exploration of ethics for modern therapists
Curt and Katie chat about what therapists should be considering when their strongly held personal values or moral beliefs conflict with a client’s demographics, lifestyle, or choices. We dig deeply into when it’s okay to make a “values-based referral” and when referring out is discrimination.  
This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore the difference between honoring our personal values and discrimination
Therapists are people who have their own identities, beliefs, values, and approaches to life. But what happens when those identities come into conflict with the clients that they serve? This CE podcourse explores the ethics behind therapist personal values, when personal values should dictate a client being referred to another treatment provider, and when that referral is actually discriminatory.
What is Julia Ward vs. Eastern Michigan University?

An Orthodox Christian, master’s student in counseling requested referring out a LGBTQ+ client

This student was dismissed from school because it was seen as discrimination and referrals were not allowed at that school

There was a summary judgment and an appeal, leading to further lack of clarity

The State of Tennessee has a law that allows therapists to deny services to clients

The law trying to overcome ethics codes

The ACA protested by moving their annual convention out of the state Tennessee

How do ethics codes handle the conflict between discrimination and holding to personal values?

Do no harm, be truthful, practice within your competence

Equity, fidelity and the call to not discriminate with a call to learn and expand competence with clients, and avoid abandoning clients

How do we decide whether we can or should refer out a client based on our firmly held beliefs?

Ethical decision-making and our responsibility based on our license

Sorting out client need, competence, and the benefit of the therapeutic relationship (i.e., common factors)

Referral is a last resort and should be based on client need (not therapist preference)

Advertising and branding for clients to self-select

What happens when clients disclose things later in treatment

The differences in the task for clinicians in private practice versus clients in organizations

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records.
Continuing Education Approvals:
You can verify CE approvals here: Continuing Education Information
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Saving Psychotherapy by Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD
*The full reference list can be found in our show notes at mtsgpodcast.com as well as on the course on our learning platform.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Link tree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Am I Honoring My Personal Values OR Am I Discriminating? An exploration of ethics for modern therapists</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about what therapists should be considering when their strongly held personal values or moral beliefs conflict with a client’s demographics, lifestyle, or choices. We dig deeply into when it’s okay to make a “values-based referral” and when referring out is discrimination.    This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Am I Honoring My Personal Values OR Am I Discriminating? An exploration of ethics for modern therapists
Curt and Katie chat about what therapists should be considering when their strongly held personal values or moral beliefs conflict with a client’s demographics, lifestyle, or choices. We dig deeply into when it’s okay to make a “values-based referral” and when referring out is discrimination.  
This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore the difference between honoring our personal values and discrimination
Therapists are people who have their own identities, beliefs, values, and approaches to life. But what happens when those identities come into conflict with the clients that they serve? This CE podcourse explores the ethics behind therapist personal values, when personal values should dictate a client being referred to another treatment provider, and when that referral is actually discriminatory.
What is Julia Ward vs. Eastern Michigan University?

An Orthodox Christian, master’s student in counseling requested referring out a LGBTQ+ client

This student was dismissed from school because it was seen as discrimination and referrals were not allowed at that school

There was a summary judgment and an appeal, leading to further lack of clarity

The State of Tennessee has a law that allows therapists to deny services to clients

The law trying to overcome ethics codes

The ACA protested by moving their annual convention out of the state Tennessee

How do ethics codes handle the conflict between discrimination and holding to personal values?

Do no harm, be truthful, practice within your competence

Equity, fidelity and the call to not discriminate with a call to learn and expand competence with clients, and avoid abandoning clients

How do we decide whether we can or should refer out a client based on our firmly held beliefs?

Ethical decision-making and our responsibility based on our license

Sorting out client need, competence, and the benefit of the therapeutic relationship (i.e., common factors)

Referral is a last resort and should be based on client need (not therapist preference)

Advertising and branding for clients to self-select

What happens when clients disclose things later in treatment

The differences in the task for clinicians in private practice versus clients in organizations

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records.
Continuing Education Approvals:
You can verify CE approvals here: Continuing Education Information
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Saving Psychotherapy by Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD
*The full reference list can be found in our show notes at mtsgpodcast.com as well as on the course on our learning platform.
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Link tree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Am I Honoring My Personal Values OR Am I Discriminating? An exploration of ethics for modern therapists</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about what therapists should be considering when their strongly held personal values or moral beliefs conflict with a client’s demographics, lifestyle, or choices. We dig deeply into when it’s okay to make a “values-based referral” and when referring out is discrimination.  </p><p>This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we explore the difference between honoring our personal values and discrimination</h2><p>Therapists are people who have their own identities, beliefs, values, and approaches to life. But what happens when those identities come into conflict with the clients that they serve? This CE podcourse explores the ethics behind therapist personal values, when personal values should dictate a client being referred to another treatment provider, and when that referral is actually discriminatory.</p><h3>What is Julia Ward vs. Eastern Michigan University?</h3><ul>
<li>An Orthodox Christian, master’s student in counseling requested referring out a LGBTQ+ client</li>
<li>This student was dismissed from school because it was seen as discrimination and referrals were not allowed at that school</li>
<li>There was a summary judgment and an appeal, leading to further lack of clarity</li>
</ul><h3>The State of Tennessee has a law that allows therapists to deny services to clients</h3><ul>
<li>The law trying to overcome ethics codes</li>
<li>The ACA protested by moving their annual convention out of the state Tennessee</li>
</ul><h3>How do ethics codes handle the conflict between discrimination and holding to personal values?</h3><ul>
<li>Do no harm, be truthful, practice within your competence</li>
<li>Equity, fidelity and the call to not discriminate with a call to learn and expand competence with clients, and avoid abandoning clients</li>
</ul><h3>How do we decide whether we can or should refer out a client based on our firmly held beliefs?</h3><ul>
<li>Ethical decision-making and our responsibility based on our license</li>
<li>Sorting out client need, competence, and the benefit of the therapeutic relationship (i.e., common factors)</li>
<li>Referral is a last resort and should be based on client need (not therapist preference)</li>
<li>Advertising and branding for clients to self-select</li>
<li>What happens when clients disclose things later in treatment</li>
<li>The differences in the task for clinicians in private practice versus clients in organizations</li>
</ul><h2><strong>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</strong></h2><p>Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a>, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records.</p><p><strong>Continuing Education Approvals:</strong></p><p>You can verify CE approvals here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a></p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.psychotherapynotes.com/saving-psychotherapy/">Saving Psychotherapy by Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD</a></p><p>*The full reference list can be found in our show notes at mtsgpodcast.com as well as on the course on <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">our learning platform</a>.</p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p>Link tree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Addressing Racism in Clinical Licensing Exams: An Interview with Ben Caldwell and Tony Rousmaniere </title>
      <description>Addressing Racism in Clinical Licensing Exams: An Interview with Ben Caldwell and Tony Rousmaniere
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ben Caldwell and Dr. Tony Rousmaniere about the problems with the Clinical Licensing exams for therapists. We discuss the recent report from ASWB on their pass rates as well as the concerns about the EPPP2 implementation, the poor predictive validity and utility of these licensing exams, and suggestions for what to do with our licensing processes given these concerns.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about recent data that licensing exams are racist
Friends of the show, Dr. Ben Caldwell and Dr. Tony Rousmaniere wrote a white paper in response to a recent report from the ASWB that shows their licensing exams appear to be racist. We wanted to talk with them about their calls to discontinue these exams.
How are the clinical exams racist?
·      The number one predictor of whether you pass the exam is your race
·      The structure of the exam seems to advantage those with more affinity to these types of tests (i.e., those who are educationally privileged)
·      There may also be content or language concerns leading to these disparities
What is the purpose of the clinical exams for therapists?
·      Said that it is to be an assessment of knowledge and training, consumer protection, etc.
·      Little predictive validity (of competence or consumer safety) for these tests
·      The test is an unfair hurdle for folks without academic privilege
·      There does not seem to be a need for this test (due to the rigor of training and supervised experience)
What would be better alternatives to requiring a clinical exam?
·      Alternate pathways that some states have taken
·      Addressing workforce shortages by allowing folks who have gotten through every other requirement (aside from the clinical exam) to be licensed
·      Just don’t require a clinical exam
What can therapists do to try to get rid of licensing exams?
·      Advocacy to state boards to not implement EPPP2
·      Other advocacy related to master’s level clinical exams
·      Organizations to #StopASWB and address the EPPP2
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
White Paper: Clinical Licensing Exams in Mental Health Care by Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD and Tony Rousmaniere, PsyD
ASWB Report on Social Work Licensing Exam Pass Rates
Very Bad Therapy
BenCaldwellLabs.com
SentioCC.org
Stop the Adoption of EPPP2 Website
ASWB: End Discriminatory Social Work Licensing Exams
A sample letter you can send to your licensing board will be on our show notes at mtsgpodcast.com.
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Fixing Mental Healthcare in America
Unlearning Very Bad Therapy
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage
Therapy Reimagined Homepage
Link tree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ben Caldwell and Dr. Tony Rousmaniere about the problems with the Clinical Licensing exams for therapists. We discuss the recent report from ASWB on their pass rates as well as the concerns about the EPPP2 implementation, the poor predictive validity and utility of these licensing exams, and suggestions for what to do with our licensing processes given these concerns. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Addressing Racism in Clinical Licensing Exams: An Interview with Ben Caldwell and Tony Rousmaniere
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ben Caldwell and Dr. Tony Rousmaniere about the problems with the Clinical Licensing exams for therapists. We discuss the recent report from ASWB on their pass rates as well as the concerns about the EPPP2 implementation, the poor predictive validity and utility of these licensing exams, and suggestions for what to do with our licensing processes given these concerns.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about recent data that licensing exams are racist
Friends of the show, Dr. Ben Caldwell and Dr. Tony Rousmaniere wrote a white paper in response to a recent report from the ASWB that shows their licensing exams appear to be racist. We wanted to talk with them about their calls to discontinue these exams.
How are the clinical exams racist?
·      The number one predictor of whether you pass the exam is your race
·      The structure of the exam seems to advantage those with more affinity to these types of tests (i.e., those who are educationally privileged)
·      There may also be content or language concerns leading to these disparities
What is the purpose of the clinical exams for therapists?
·      Said that it is to be an assessment of knowledge and training, consumer protection, etc.
·      Little predictive validity (of competence or consumer safety) for these tests
·      The test is an unfair hurdle for folks without academic privilege
·      There does not seem to be a need for this test (due to the rigor of training and supervised experience)
What would be better alternatives to requiring a clinical exam?
·      Alternate pathways that some states have taken
·      Addressing workforce shortages by allowing folks who have gotten through every other requirement (aside from the clinical exam) to be licensed
·      Just don’t require a clinical exam
What can therapists do to try to get rid of licensing exams?
·      Advocacy to state boards to not implement EPPP2
·      Other advocacy related to master’s level clinical exams
·      Organizations to #StopASWB and address the EPPP2
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
White Paper: Clinical Licensing Exams in Mental Health Care by Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD and Tony Rousmaniere, PsyD
ASWB Report on Social Work Licensing Exam Pass Rates
Very Bad Therapy
BenCaldwellLabs.com
SentioCC.org
Stop the Adoption of EPPP2 Website
ASWB: End Discriminatory Social Work Licensing Exams
A sample letter you can send to your licensing board will be on our show notes at mtsgpodcast.com.
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Fixing Mental Healthcare in America
Unlearning Very Bad Therapy
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage
Therapy Reimagined Homepage
Link tree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Addressing Racism in Clinical Licensing Exams: An Interview with Ben Caldwell and Tony Rousmaniere</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Ben Caldwell and Dr. Tony Rousmaniere about the problems with the Clinical Licensing exams for therapists. We discuss the recent report from ASWB on their pass rates as well as the concerns about the EPPP2 implementation, the poor predictive validity and utility of these licensing exams, and suggestions for what to do with our licensing processes given these concerns.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about recent data that licensing exams are racist</h2><p>Friends of the show, Dr. Ben Caldwell and Dr. Tony Rousmaniere wrote a white paper in response to a recent report from the ASWB that shows their licensing exams appear to be racist. We wanted to talk with them about their calls to discontinue these exams.</p><h3>How are the clinical exams racist?</h3><p>·      The number one predictor of whether you pass the exam is your race</p><p>·      The structure of the exam seems to advantage those with more affinity to these types of tests (i.e., those who are educationally privileged)</p><p>·      There may also be content or language concerns leading to these disparities</p><h3>What is the purpose of the clinical exams for therapists?</h3><p>·      Said that it is to be an assessment of knowledge and training, consumer protection, etc.</p><p>·      Little predictive validity (of competence or consumer safety) for these tests</p><p>·      The test is an unfair hurdle for folks without academic privilege</p><p>·      There does not seem to be a need for this test (due to the rigor of training and supervised experience)</p><h3>What would be better alternatives to requiring a clinical exam?</h3><p>·      Alternate pathways that some states have taken</p><p>·      Addressing workforce shortages by allowing folks who have gotten through every other requirement (aside from the clinical exam) to be licensed</p><p>·      Just don’t require a clinical exam</p><h3>What can therapists do to try to get rid of licensing exams?</h3><p>·      Advocacy to state boards to not implement EPPP2</p><p>·      Other advocacy related to master’s level clinical exams</p><p>·      Organizations to #StopASWB and address the EPPP2</p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.psychotherapynotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Clinical-Licensing-Exams-in-Mental-Health-Care-October-2022.pdf">White Paper: Clinical Licensing Exams in Mental Health Care by Benjamin E. Caldwell, PsyD and Tony Rousmaniere, PsyD</a></p><p><a href="https://www.aswb.org/aswb-releases-data-analysis-on-social-work-licensing-exam-pass-rates/">ASWB Report on Social Work Licensing Exam Pass Rates</a></p><p><a href="https://www.verybadtherapy.com/">Very Bad Therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://bencaldwelllabs.com/">BenCaldwellLabs.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.sentiocc.org/">SentioCC.org</a></p><p><a href="https://rallystarter.com/r/1320/stop-the-adoption-of-the-eppp2">Stop the Adoption of EPPP2 Website</a></p><p><a href="https://www.change.org/p/aswb-end-discriminatory-social-work-licensing-exams">ASWB: End Discriminatory Social Work Licensing Exams</a></p><p><em>A sample letter you can send to your licensing board will be on our show notes at mtsgpodcast.com.</em></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/fixing-mental-healthcare-in-america/">Fixing Mental Healthcare in America</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/unlearning-very-bad-therapy/">Unlearning Very Bad Therapy</a></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast/">Podcast Homepage</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/">Therapy Reimagined Homepage</a></p><p>Link tree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Private Practice Planning for the Future of Mental Healthcare: An Interview with Maureen Werrbach </title>
      <description>Private Practice Planning for the Future of Mental Healthcare: An Interview with Maureen Werrbach
Curt and Katie interview Maureen Werrbach of the Group Practice Exchange on upcoming trends for mental healthcare. We talk about what is predicted, how to prepare your private practice for success in 2023, and how to plan for unexpected changes to our profession.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Maureen Werrbach, LCPC, The Group Practice Exchange
Maureen Werrbach established The Group Practice Exchange after starting her private practice, Urban Wellness, and growing it into successful group practices in various locations.
Spending countless hours researching how to start a private practice (the legal and procedural steps) and then so many more hours learning how to grow it into a group (again trying to figure out the appropriate steps), she remembers wishing there was a place that she could go, or a book that she could read, that would explain not only the steps it would take to launch a group practice, but also discuss topics that relate to group practice ownership.
A degree in the social service field doesn’t offer any training on the business side of running a group practice! Maureen learned through trial and error what works and what doesn’t in running a counseling group practice. She enjoys helping others reach their full potential and feel confident in running their business.
In this podcast episode, we talk about upcoming trends in Mental Health and what it means for your therapy practice
We reached out to our friend Maureen Werrbach of the Group Practice Exchange about where our field is moving and how we can plan for success.
The way therapy is provided and paid for will be changing
·      Insurance: Fee for service versus value-based pricing
·      Large tech companies and one-stop shops
·      Ease of access and diminished costs via telehealth
What therapists can do to future-proof their practice
·      Strong niche and branding
·      Doing what we do best
·      Addressing fees, profit margins, hiring
·      Dedicate time to researching upcoming trends
·      Diversifying offerings
·      Determining the best fit for your business, your career, your employment
Special considerations for Group Practice Owners in 2023
·      The concerns related to large group therapist mills taking employees
·      Focus on people, culture, and innovation
·      Intentionality related to values, mission, vision
·      Avoiding divisiveness and conflict between employers and employees
·      The importance of transparency and clarity on how you’ve set up your practice
·      Pathways for employees to grow and creative employment opportunities
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
The Group Practice Exchange Membership
The Group Practice Exchange Facebook Group
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Maureen’s previous interview: Becoming a Group Practice Owner
Fixing Mental Healthcare in America
Beyond Reimagination: What is right (and wrong) with mental health apps
Post Pandemic Practice
All Things Group Therapy: An interview with Katie K. May, LPC
Online Therapy Apps
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage
Therapy Reimagined Homepage
Facebook
Twitter
Instagram
YouTube
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Private Practice Planning for the Future of Mental Healthcare: An Interview with Maureen Werrbach </itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Private Practice Planning for the Future of Mental Healthcare: An Interview with Maureen Werrbach
Curt and Katie interview Maureen Werrbach of the Group Practice Exchange on upcoming trends for mental healthcare. We talk about what is predicted, how to prepare your private practice for success in 2023, and how to plan for unexpected changes to our profession.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Maureen Werrbach, LCPC, The Group Practice Exchange
Maureen Werrbach established The Group Practice Exchange after starting her private practice, Urban Wellness, and growing it into successful group practices in various locations.
Spending countless hours researching how to start a private practice (the legal and procedural steps) and then so many more hours learning how to grow it into a group (again trying to figure out the appropriate steps), she remembers wishing there was a place that she could go, or a book that she could read, that would explain not only the steps it would take to launch a group practice, but also discuss topics that relate to group practice ownership.
A degree in the social service field doesn’t offer any training on the business side of running a group practice! Maureen learned through trial and error what works and what doesn’t in running a counseling group practice. She enjoys helping others reach their full potential and feel confident in running their business.
In this podcast episode, we talk about upcoming trends in Mental Health and what it means for your therapy practice
We reached out to our friend Maureen Werrbach of the Group Practice Exchange about where our field is moving and how we can plan for success.
The way therapy is provided and paid for will be changing
·      Insurance: Fee for service versus value-based pricing
·      Large tech companies and one-stop shops
·      Ease of access and diminished costs via telehealth
What therapists can do to future-proof their practice
·      Strong niche and branding
·      Doing what we do best
·      Addressing fees, profit margins, hiring
·      Dedicate time to researching upcoming trends
·      Diversifying offerings
·      Determining the best fit for your business, your career, your employment
Special considerations for Group Practice Owners in 2023
·      The concerns related to large group therapist mills taking employees
·      Focus on people, culture, and innovation
·      Intentionality related to values, mission, vision
·      Avoiding divisiveness and conflict between employers and employees
·      The importance of transparency and clarity on how you’ve set up your practice
·      Pathways for employees to grow and creative employment opportunities
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
The Group Practice Exchange Membership
The Group Practice Exchange Facebook Group
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Maureen’s previous interview: Becoming a Group Practice Owner
Fixing Mental Healthcare in America
Beyond Reimagination: What is right (and wrong) with mental health apps
Post Pandemic Practice
All Things Group Therapy: An interview with Katie K. May, LPC
Online Therapy Apps
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage
Therapy Reimagined Homepage
Facebook
Twitter
Instagram
YouTube
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Private Practice Planning for the Future of Mental Healthcare: An Interview with Maureen Werrbach</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Maureen Werrbach of the Group Practice Exchange on upcoming trends for mental healthcare. We talk about what is predicted, how to prepare your private practice for success in 2023, and how to plan for unexpected changes to our profession.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>An Interview with Maureen Werrbach, LCPC, The Group Practice Exchange</h2><p>Maureen Werrbach established The Group Practice Exchange after starting her private practice, Urban Wellness, and growing it into successful group practices in various locations.</p><p>Spending countless hours researching how to start a private practice (the legal and procedural steps) and then so many more hours learning how to grow it into a group (again trying to figure out the appropriate steps), she remembers wishing there was a place that she could go, or a book that she could read, that would explain not only the steps it would take to launch a group practice, but also discuss topics that relate to group practice ownership.</p><p>A degree in the social service field doesn’t offer any training on the business side of running a group practice! Maureen learned through trial and error what works and what doesn’t in running a counseling group practice. She enjoys helping others reach their full potential and feel confident in running their business.</p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about upcoming trends in Mental Health and what it means for your therapy practice</h2><p>We reached out to our friend Maureen Werrbach of the Group Practice Exchange about where our field is moving and how we can plan for success.</p><h3>The way therapy is provided and paid for will be changing</h3><p>·      Insurance: Fee for service versus value-based pricing</p><p>·      Large tech companies and one-stop shops</p><p>·      Ease of access and diminished costs via telehealth</p><h3>What therapists can do to future-proof their practice</h3><p>·      Strong niche and branding</p><p>·      Doing what we do best</p><p>·      Addressing fees, profit margins, hiring</p><p>·      Dedicate time to researching upcoming trends</p><p>·      Diversifying offerings</p><p>·      Determining the best fit for your business, your career, your employment</p><h3>Special considerations for Group Practice Owners in 2023</h3><p>·      The concerns related to large group therapist mills taking employees</p><p>·      Focus on people, culture, and innovation</p><p>·      Intentionality related to values, mission, vision</p><p>·      Avoiding divisiveness and conflict between employers and employees</p><p>·      The importance of transparency and clarity on how you’ve set up your practice</p><p>·      Pathways for employees to grow and creative employment opportunities</p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://members.thegrouppracticeexchange.com/">The Group Practice Exchange Membership</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/979967198747447">The Group Practice Exchange Facebook Group</a></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p>Maureen’s previous interview: <a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/becoming-a-group-practice-owner/">Becoming a Group Practice Owner</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/fixing-mental-healthcare-in-america/">Fixing Mental Healthcare in America</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/beyond-reimagination-improving-your-client-outcomes-by-understanding-what-big-tech-is-doing-right-and-wrong-with-mental-health-apps/">Beyond Reimagination: What is right (and wrong) with mental health apps</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/post-pandemic-practice/">Post Pandemic Practice</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/all-things-group-therapy/">All Things Group Therapy: An interview with Katie K. May, LPC</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/online-therapy-apps/">Online Therapy Apps</a></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast/">Podcast Homepage</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/">Therapy Reimagined Homepage</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">Facebook</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">Twitter</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">Instagram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7RQYR68jj81oGiv41ogFxQ/featured">YouTube</a></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Penny Wise and Pound Foolish: Thoughts on investing and getting paid as a therapist </title>
      <description>Penny Wise and Pound Foolish: Thoughts on investing and getting paid as a therapist 
Curt and Katie chat about money: considerations for investing and getting paid as a therapist.  We look at typical unpaid opportunities and how to decide whether to do them. We also talk about client care practices that may take time, but could keep clients.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about money mistakes that many therapists make
We talk a lot about making sure that therapists get paid, but thought it was worth talking about when therapists should invest in their business and when they may want to work for free.  
What are the lessons Curt and Katie learned around investing in their businesses?
·      Electronic Health Records/Practice Management systems are very helpful
·      Automation helps your business to run without you
·      Sometimes visibility is worth working for free
How do you decide if you should do something for your business?
“I gave a presentation, it's gotta be more than 10 years ago at this point, for a group of students. I think, like five people showed up… But I still get referrals from one of the people who came there. And it turned into a really wonderful relationship, because I sounded like I knew what I was talking about.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT
·      What are the practical benefits and challenges?
·      What are the other potential benefits (like enjoyment)?
·      What is the investment of time, money, and expertise?
·      What is the return on investment?
Specifics on deciding to take unpaid work
“There are elements of this where it's really looking at is the audience strong enough? Is there any money eventually? And do you actually want the referrals from the audience that you're going to be in front of? Because if all of those things are yes… I would consider – at least the first time out – doing some content creation (because I love content creation) without getting paid to see does it actually pan out. But you want to make sure you track that to determine: am I going to actually get anything from this this relationship and from this work that I'm doing?” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT
·      What new relationships will be developed?
·      Will you get visibility with the audience you’re seeking?
·      Will you obtain access to relevant learning?
·      Is the entity that is asking you legit and established?
·      Are there other forms of compensation (like photos or videos)?
·      Are you able to get clients from this work? (And what are new clients worth to you?)
Client care versus getting paid
“I don't think it's helpful, at least not for customer service purposes, to view your client as trying to take advantage of you.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT
·      Setting up appropriate boundaries and policies
·      Avoiding additional costs, if you can (i.e., setting fees in a private pay practice to include these extras)
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Why You Shouldn’t Just Do It All Yourself: An interview with Bibi Goldstein
Why You Shouldn't Sell Out to Better Help: An interview with Jeff Guenther
I Just Graduated, Now What? Career Advice for New Clinicians</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2023 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Penny Wise and Pound Foolish: Thoughts on investing and getting paid as a therapist </itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about money: considerations for investing and getting paid as a therapist.  We look at typical unpaid opportunities and how to decide whether to do them. We also talk about client care practices that may take time, but could keep clients.  </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Penny Wise and Pound Foolish: Thoughts on investing and getting paid as a therapist 
Curt and Katie chat about money: considerations for investing and getting paid as a therapist.  We look at typical unpaid opportunities and how to decide whether to do them. We also talk about client care practices that may take time, but could keep clients.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about money mistakes that many therapists make
We talk a lot about making sure that therapists get paid, but thought it was worth talking about when therapists should invest in their business and when they may want to work for free.  
What are the lessons Curt and Katie learned around investing in their businesses?
·      Electronic Health Records/Practice Management systems are very helpful
·      Automation helps your business to run without you
·      Sometimes visibility is worth working for free
How do you decide if you should do something for your business?
“I gave a presentation, it's gotta be more than 10 years ago at this point, for a group of students. I think, like five people showed up… But I still get referrals from one of the people who came there. And it turned into a really wonderful relationship, because I sounded like I knew what I was talking about.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT
·      What are the practical benefits and challenges?
·      What are the other potential benefits (like enjoyment)?
·      What is the investment of time, money, and expertise?
·      What is the return on investment?
Specifics on deciding to take unpaid work
“There are elements of this where it's really looking at is the audience strong enough? Is there any money eventually? And do you actually want the referrals from the audience that you're going to be in front of? Because if all of those things are yes… I would consider – at least the first time out – doing some content creation (because I love content creation) without getting paid to see does it actually pan out. But you want to make sure you track that to determine: am I going to actually get anything from this this relationship and from this work that I'm doing?” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT
·      What new relationships will be developed?
·      Will you get visibility with the audience you’re seeking?
·      Will you obtain access to relevant learning?
·      Is the entity that is asking you legit and established?
·      Are there other forms of compensation (like photos or videos)?
·      Are you able to get clients from this work? (And what are new clients worth to you?)
Client care versus getting paid
“I don't think it's helpful, at least not for customer service purposes, to view your client as trying to take advantage of you.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT
·      Setting up appropriate boundaries and policies
·      Avoiding additional costs, if you can (i.e., setting fees in a private pay practice to include these extras)
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Our Linktree: https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Why You Shouldn’t Just Do It All Yourself: An interview with Bibi Goldstein
Why You Shouldn't Sell Out to Better Help: An interview with Jeff Guenther
I Just Graduated, Now What? Career Advice for New Clinicians</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Penny Wise and Pound Foolish: Thoughts on investing and getting paid as a therapist </h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about money: considerations for investing and getting paid as a therapist.  We look at typical unpaid opportunities and how to decide whether to do them. We also talk about client care practices that may take time, but could keep clients.  </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about money mistakes that many therapists make</h2><p>We talk a lot about making sure that therapists get paid, but thought it was worth talking about when therapists should invest in their business and when they may want to work for free.  </p><h3>What are the lessons Curt and Katie learned around investing in their businesses?</h3><p>·      Electronic Health Records/Practice Management systems are very helpful</p><p>·      Automation helps your business to run without you</p><p>·      Sometimes visibility is worth working for free</p><h3>How do you decide if you should do something for your business?</h3><p>“I gave a presentation, it's gotta be more than 10 years ago at this point, for a group of students. I think, like five people showed up… But I still get referrals from one of the people who came there. And it turned into a really wonderful relationship, because I sounded like I knew what I was talking about.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><p>·      What are the practical benefits and challenges?</p><p>·      What are the other potential benefits (like enjoyment)?</p><p>·      What is the investment of time, money, and expertise?</p><p>·      What is the return on investment?</p><h3>Specifics on deciding to take unpaid work</h3><p>“There are elements of this where it's really looking at is the audience strong enough? Is there any money eventually? And do you actually want the referrals from the audience that you're going to be in front of? Because if all of those things are yes… I would consider – at least the first time out – doing some content creation (because I love content creation) without getting paid to see does it actually pan out. But you want to make sure you track that to determine: am I going to actually get anything from this this relationship and from this work that I'm doing?” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT</p><p>·      What new relationships will be developed?</p><p>·      Will you get visibility with the audience you’re seeking?</p><p>·      Will you obtain access to relevant learning?</p><p>·      Is the entity that is asking you legit and established?</p><p>·      Are there other forms of compensation (like photos or videos)?</p><p>·      Are you able to get clients from this work? (And what are new clients worth to you?)</p><h3>Client care versus getting paid</h3><p>“I don't think it's helpful, at least not for customer service purposes, to view your client as trying to take advantage of you.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT</p><p>·      Setting up appropriate boundaries and policies</p><p>·      Avoiding additional costs, if you can (i.e., setting fees in a private pay practice to include these extras)</p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>Our Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined">https://linktr.ee/therapyreimagined</a></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/why-you-shouldnt-just-do-it-all-yourself/">Why You Shouldn’t Just Do It All Yourself: An interview with Bibi Goldstein</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/why-you-shouldnt-sell-out-to-betterhelp/">Why You Shouldn't Sell Out to Better Help: An interview with Jeff Guenther</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/i-just-graduated-now-what-career-advice-for-new-mental-health-clinicians/">I Just Graduated, Now What? Career Advice for New Clinicians</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How to Manage Your Practice as a Traveling Therapist: An Interview with Kym Tolson, LCSW </title>
      <description>How to Manage Your Practice as a Traveling Therapist: An Interview with Kym Tolson, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Kym Tolson, the traveling therapist. We look at how a modern therapist can be a digital nomad, including what business logistics to consider as well as how to travel well.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about working as a therapist when traveling
We reached out to our friend Kym Tolson who lives and works as a digital nomad. 
“It's kind of like being on vacation every day.” – Kym Tolson, LCSW
What are the most important considerations when working as a digital nomad?
·      Checking the Wi-Fi before booking your accommodations
·      How long to stay in each place (Kym says about 2.5 weeks)
·      Finding a schedule that works and only takes small tweaks when you change time zones
·      Planning around the seasons and ideal locations
What are the business considerations for traveling therapists?
·      Consult with tax attorney and accountant, where to register your business
·      Reach out to boards for the state you are traveling to (to determine if you can practice within the state)
·      Considerations for business write offs and expenses
Managing work-life balance as a digital nomad
·      Finding the right times for work
·      Setting a schedule
·      Compartmentalize fun and work separately
What are the necessities when traveling as a digital nomad?
·      Specific creature comforts or life necessities (for Kym it’s pots/pans to manage Celiac disease)
·      Computer
·      Numerous Wi-Fi options (different carriers for cell-phone coverage and portable mobile hotspot)
·      Understanding of the impacts of mode of travel and type of accommodations
How do clients react to therapists who are on the road?
·      Decide on the level of transparency on traveling or location
·      Virtual background for continuity
·      Clients are usually pretty flexible with traveling therapist
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
www.thetravelingtherapist.com
www.privatepracticeinsurancebilling.com
Kym’s Facebook Group
 The Expert’s Guide to Becoming a Traveling Therapist Course coupon code for 25% off is MODERNTHERAPIST
Bill Like a Boss – Kym’s Insurance Billing Membership
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
How Can Therapists Actually Retire: An interview with David Frank
Partners of Therapists
Thriving Over Surviving – Growing a Practice Without Burning Out: An interview with Megan Gunnell, LMSW
Post Pandemic Practice
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage
Therapy Reimagined Homepage
Facebook
Twitter
Instagram
YouTube

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>How to Manage Your Practice as a Traveling Therapist: An Interview with Kym Tolson, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Kym Tolson, the traveling therapist. We look at how a modern therapist can be a digital nomad, including what business logistics to consider as well as how to travel well.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode, we talk about working as a therapist when traveling
We reached out to our friend Kym Tolson who lives and works as a digital nomad. 
“It's kind of like being on vacation every day.” – Kym Tolson, LCSW
What are the most important considerations when working as a digital nomad?
·      Checking the Wi-Fi before booking your accommodations
·      How long to stay in each place (Kym says about 2.5 weeks)
·      Finding a schedule that works and only takes small tweaks when you change time zones
·      Planning around the seasons and ideal locations
What are the business considerations for traveling therapists?
·      Consult with tax attorney and accountant, where to register your business
·      Reach out to boards for the state you are traveling to (to determine if you can practice within the state)
·      Considerations for business write offs and expenses
Managing work-life balance as a digital nomad
·      Finding the right times for work
·      Setting a schedule
·      Compartmentalize fun and work separately
What are the necessities when traveling as a digital nomad?
·      Specific creature comforts or life necessities (for Kym it’s pots/pans to manage Celiac disease)
·      Computer
·      Numerous Wi-Fi options (different carriers for cell-phone coverage and portable mobile hotspot)
·      Understanding of the impacts of mode of travel and type of accommodations
How do clients react to therapists who are on the road?
·      Decide on the level of transparency on traveling or location
·      Virtual background for continuity
·      Clients are usually pretty flexible with traveling therapist
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
www.thetravelingtherapist.com
www.privatepracticeinsurancebilling.com
Kym’s Facebook Group
 The Expert’s Guide to Becoming a Traveling Therapist Course coupon code for 25% off is MODERNTHERAPIST
Bill Like a Boss – Kym’s Insurance Billing Membership
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
How Can Therapists Actually Retire: An interview with David Frank
Partners of Therapists
Thriving Over Surviving – Growing a Practice Without Burning Out: An interview with Megan Gunnell, LMSW
Post Pandemic Practice
Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:
Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Podcast Homepage
Therapy Reimagined Homepage
Facebook
Twitter
Instagram
YouTube

Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>How to Manage Your Practice as a Traveling Therapist: An Interview with Kym Tolson, LCSW</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Kym Tolson, the traveling therapist. We look at how a modern therapist can be a digital nomad, including what business logistics to consider as well as how to travel well.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts">mtsgpodcast.com</a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about working as a therapist when traveling</h2><p>We reached out to our friend Kym Tolson who lives and works as a digital nomad. </p><p>“It's kind of like being on vacation every day.” – Kym Tolson, LCSW</p><h3>What are the most important considerations when working as a digital nomad?</h3><p>·      Checking the Wi-Fi before booking your accommodations</p><p>·      How long to stay in each place (Kym says about 2.5 weeks)</p><p>·      Finding a schedule that works and only takes small tweaks when you change time zones</p><p>·      Planning around the seasons and ideal locations</p><h3>What are the business considerations for traveling therapists?</h3><p>·      Consult with tax attorney and accountant, where to register your business</p><p>·      Reach out to boards for the state you are traveling to (to determine if you can practice within the state)</p><p>·      Considerations for business write offs and expenses</p><h3>Managing work-life balance as a digital nomad</h3><p>·      Finding the right times for work</p><p>·      Setting a schedule</p><p>·      Compartmentalize fun and work separately</p><h3>What are the necessities when traveling as a digital nomad?</h3><p>·      Specific creature comforts or life necessities (for Kym it’s pots/pans to manage Celiac disease)</p><p>·      Computer</p><p>·      Numerous Wi-Fi options (different carriers for cell-phone coverage and portable mobile hotspot)</p><p>·      Understanding of the impacts of mode of travel and type of accommodations</p><h3>How do clients react to therapists who are on the road?</h3><p>·      Decide on the level of transparency on traveling or location</p><p>·      Virtual background for continuity</p><p>·      Clients are usually pretty flexible with traveling therapist</p><h2>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</h2><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="http://www.thetravelingtherapist.com/">www.thetravelingtherapist.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.privatepracticeinsurancebilling.com/">www.privatepracticeinsurancebilling.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/917656575758714">Kym’s Facebook Group</a></p><p> <a href="https://katievernoy.krtra.com/t/hkO63SVLCJZa">The Expert’s Guide to Becoming a Traveling Therapist Course</a> coupon code for 25% off is MODERNTHERAPIST</p><p><a href="https://katievernoy.krtra.com/t/gc7kodBL5ldT">Bill Like a Boss – Kym’s Insurance Billing Membership</a></p><h3>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</h3><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/how-can-therapists-actually-retire/">How Can Therapists Actually Retire: An interview with David Frank</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/partners-of-therapists/">Partners of Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/thriving-over-surviving-growing-a-practice-without-burn-out/">Thriving Over Surviving – Growing a Practice Without Burning Out: An interview with Megan Gunnell, LMSW</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/post-pandemic-practice/">Post Pandemic Practice</a></p><h2>Stay in Touch with Curt, Katie, and the whole Therapy Reimagined #TherapyMovement:</h2><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast/">Podcast Homepage</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/">Therapy Reimagined Homepage</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">Facebook</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">Twitter</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">Instagram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7RQYR68jj81oGiv41ogFxQ/featured">YouTube</a></p><p><br></p><h2>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</h2><p>Voice Over by DW McCann<a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/"> https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Smarter than SMART: How therapists can improve goal-setting with clients</title>
      <description>Smarter than SMART: How therapists can improve goal-setting with clients
Curt and Katie chat about setting goals. We look at why goals are important to therapists, SMART goals (what they are, what works and what doesn’t), and how to move beyond SMART goals to more robust goal setting and behavior design. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how to strengthen your goal-setting skills
We're looking at SMART goals and how to make them better. AND Katie helps Curt with his goal setting!
Why is goal-setting important to therapists?
Therapeutic benefit, Ethical responsibility, Ability to achieve goals
What are SMART Goals? Do they work?
Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Relevant, Timebound; The benefits of effort or progress goals versus outcome goals, May need to add steps to create a more robust plan
How can you improve SMART goals?
Using the Grip on Life model, Digging deeper into the elements of SMART goals, Finding life skills that help to reach the goal
What is the key difference between setting goals and behavior design?
Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg, Motivation is fickle, Finding the smallest behavior change that can move you toward the goal, Create a habit, put it into something you’re already doing, and celebrate the accomplishment
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information
CAMFT CEPA: Therapy Reimagined is approved by the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists to sponsor continuing education for LMFTs, LPCCs, LCSWs, and LEPs (CAMFT CEPA provider #132270). Therapy Reimagined maintains responsibility for this program and its content. Courses meet the qualifications for the listed hours of continuing education credit for LMFTs, LCSWs, LPCCs, and/or LEPs as required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. We are working on additional provider approvals, but solely are able to provide CAMFT CEs at this time. Please check with your licensing body to ensure that they will accept this as an equivalent learning credit.
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Tiny Habits: The small changes that change everything by BJ Fogg, PhD
References mentioned in this continuing education podcast:
Bertelsen, P. &amp; Ozer, S. (2021). Grip on life as a possible antecedent for self-control beliefs interacts with well-being and perceived stress. Scandinavian Journal of Psychology, 62, 185–192.
Fogg, B. J. (2020). Tiny habits: the small changes that change everything. Boston, Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
*The full reference list can be found in the course on our learning platform.
 Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Structuring Self-Care
All Kinds of Burned Out
Thriving Over Surviving – Growing a Practice Without Burnout: An interview with Megan Gunnell, LMSW
Why You Shouldn’t Just Do It All Yourself: An interview with Bibi Goldstein
Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Smarter than SMART: How therapists can improve goal-setting with clients</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/9b5f4bd6-7cea-11ed-9c24-af0e0144e373/image/023074.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about setting goals. We look at why goals are important to therapists, SMART goals (what they are, what works and what doesn’t), and how to move beyond SMART goals to more robust goal setting and behavior design. This is a continuing education podcourse.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Smarter than SMART: How therapists can improve goal-setting with clients
Curt and Katie chat about setting goals. We look at why goals are important to therapists, SMART goals (what they are, what works and what doesn’t), and how to move beyond SMART goals to more robust goal setting and behavior design. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how to strengthen your goal-setting skills
We're looking at SMART goals and how to make them better. AND Katie helps Curt with his goal setting!
Why is goal-setting important to therapists?
Therapeutic benefit, Ethical responsibility, Ability to achieve goals
What are SMART Goals? Do they work?
Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Relevant, Timebound; The benefits of effort or progress goals versus outcome goals, May need to add steps to create a more robust plan
How can you improve SMART goals?
Using the Grip on Life model, Digging deeper into the elements of SMART goals, Finding life skills that help to reach the goal
What is the key difference between setting goals and behavior design?
Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg, Motivation is fickle, Finding the smallest behavior change that can move you toward the goal, Create a habit, put it into something you’re already doing, and celebrate the accomplishment
Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information
CAMFT CEPA: Therapy Reimagined is approved by the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists to sponsor continuing education for LMFTs, LPCCs, LCSWs, and LEPs (CAMFT CEPA provider #132270). Therapy Reimagined maintains responsibility for this program and its content. Courses meet the qualifications for the listed hours of continuing education credit for LMFTs, LCSWs, LPCCs, and/or LEPs as required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. We are working on additional provider approvals, but solely are able to provide CAMFT CEs at this time. Please check with your licensing body to ensure that they will accept this as an equivalent learning credit.
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Tiny Habits: The small changes that change everything by BJ Fogg, PhD
References mentioned in this continuing education podcast:
Bertelsen, P. &amp; Ozer, S. (2021). Grip on life as a possible antecedent for self-control beliefs interacts with well-being and perceived stress. Scandinavian Journal of Psychology, 62, 185–192.
Fogg, B. J. (2020). Tiny habits: the small changes that change everything. Boston, Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
*The full reference list can be found in the course on our learning platform.
 Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Structuring Self-Care
All Kinds of Burned Out
Thriving Over Surviving – Growing a Practice Without Burnout: An interview with Megan Gunnell, LMSW
Why You Shouldn’t Just Do It All Yourself: An interview with Bibi Goldstein
Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1><strong>Smarter than SMART: How therapists can improve goal-setting with clients</strong></h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about setting goals. We look at why goals are important to therapists, SMART goals (what they are, what works and what doesn’t), and how to move beyond SMART goals to more robust goal setting and behavior design. This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at </em><a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2><strong>In this podcast episode we talk about how to strengthen your goal-setting skills</strong></h2><p>We're looking at SMART goals and how to make them better. AND Katie helps Curt with his goal setting!</p><h3><strong>Why is goal-setting important to therapists?</strong></h3><p>Therapeutic benefit, Ethical responsibility, Ability to achieve goals</p><h3><strong>What are SMART Goals? Do they work?</strong></h3><p>Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Relevant, Timebound; The benefits of effort or progress goals versus outcome goals, May need to add steps to create a more robust plan</p><h3><strong>How can you improve SMART goals?</strong></h3><p>Using the Grip on Life model, Digging deeper into the elements of SMART goals, Finding life skills that help to reach the goal</p><h3><strong>What is the key difference between setting goals and behavior design?</strong></h3><p>Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg, Motivation is fickle, Finding the smallest behavior change that can move you toward the goal, Create a habit, put it into something you’re already doing, and celebrate the accomplishment</p><h2><strong>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</strong></h2><p>Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a>, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/">moderntherapistcommunity.com</a>.</p><p><strong>Continuing Education Approvals:</strong></p><p>When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a></p><p><strong>CAMFT CEPA: </strong>Therapy Reimagined is approved by the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists to sponsor continuing education for LMFTs, LPCCs, LCSWs, and LEPs (CAMFT CEPA provider #132270). Therapy Reimagined maintains responsibility for this program and its content. Courses meet the qualifications for the listed hours of continuing education credit for LMFTs, LCSWs, LPCCs, and/or LEPs as required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. We are working on additional provider approvals, but solely are able to provide CAMFT CEs at this time. Please check with your licensing body to ensure that they will accept this as an equivalent learning credit.</p><p><strong>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</strong></p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://tinyhabits.com/book/">Tiny Habits: The small changes that change everything by BJ Fogg, PhD</a></p><p><strong>References mentioned in this continuing education podcast:</strong></p><p>Bertelsen, P. &amp; Ozer, S. (2021). Grip on life as a possible antecedent for self-control beliefs interacts with well-being and perceived stress. Scandinavian Journal of Psychology, 62, 185–192.</p><p>Fogg, B. J. (2020). Tiny habits: the small changes that change everything. Boston, Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.</p><p>*The full reference list can be found in the course on <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">our learning platform</a>.</p><p> <strong>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</strong></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/structuring-self-care/">Structuring Self-Care</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/all-kinds-of-burned-out/">All Kinds of Burned Out</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/thriving-over-surviving-growing-a-practice-without-burn-out/">Thriving Over Surviving – Growing a Practice Without Burnout: An interview with Megan Gunnell, LMSW</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/why-you-shouldnt-just-do-it-all-yourself/">Why You Shouldn’t Just Do It All Yourself: An interview with Bibi Goldstein</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapy-for-executives-and-emerging-leaders/">Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders</a></p><h1><br></h1>]]>
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      <title>Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend</title>
      <description>Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend
Curt and Katie chat about the TikTok Mental Health and the self-diagnosis trend. We dig into what diagnosis is (and what is actually useful about diagnosis). We also explore the concerns with social media self-diagnosis as well as how we can support our clients with getting accurate assessment and treatment. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about self-diagnosis and the impact of social media
We have both heard about TikTok diagnoses in our practices and wanted to talk about how therapists might navigate this new trend. 
What are concerns with social media self-diagnosis?
“The point of having a professional be able to properly evaluate is looking through that more nuanced clinical eye in order to look at where the threshold is that actually meets diagnostic [criteria] versus actually just having some characteristics in common with [the diagnosis]. Somebody can be nervous, does not mean that they have anxiety… What is pathologizing normal feelings?” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Focusing in on small elements and then having that frame their full life experience

Seeking only confirmatory diagnosis versus allowing for differential diagnosis

Clinicians who are not doing full assessments to support clients who have self-diagnosed

Clients who do not need treatment taking slots from those who do need assessment and treatment

Lack of nuance in the social media content that doesn’t include information on differential diagnosis

Inaccurate treatments based on inaccurate self-diagnosis

Malingering and factitious disorder risk

Pathologizing normal feelings

Being inundated with so much information

Confirmatory bias

How to support clients who have sought diagnostic information on social media and google?
“What started the whole thing… clinicians under diagnosing, undervaluing client feedback, not asking all the right questions. And so, folks are feeling dissatisfied with what we're doing and heading to the interweb to understand better what it is that's going on.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Therapists need to listen to their clients, so they don’t feel the need to go elsewhere for information

Identify what is resonating for clients and explore what it means to them

Educate clients about differential diagnosis

Walk through their research (to listen and to help vet sources)

Take your client seriously and support them in getting the help they need

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      <itunes:title>Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the TikTok Mental Health and the self-diagnosis trend. We dig into what diagnosis is (and what is actually useful about diagnosis). We also explore the concerns with social media self-diagnosis as well as how we can support our clients with getting accurate assessment and treatment.  </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend
Curt and Katie chat about the TikTok Mental Health and the self-diagnosis trend. We dig into what diagnosis is (and what is actually useful about diagnosis). We also explore the concerns with social media self-diagnosis as well as how we can support our clients with getting accurate assessment and treatment. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about self-diagnosis and the impact of social media
We have both heard about TikTok diagnoses in our practices and wanted to talk about how therapists might navigate this new trend. 
What are concerns with social media self-diagnosis?
“The point of having a professional be able to properly evaluate is looking through that more nuanced clinical eye in order to look at where the threshold is that actually meets diagnostic [criteria] versus actually just having some characteristics in common with [the diagnosis]. Somebody can be nervous, does not mean that they have anxiety… What is pathologizing normal feelings?” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Focusing in on small elements and then having that frame their full life experience

Seeking only confirmatory diagnosis versus allowing for differential diagnosis

Clinicians who are not doing full assessments to support clients who have self-diagnosed

Clients who do not need treatment taking slots from those who do need assessment and treatment

Lack of nuance in the social media content that doesn’t include information on differential diagnosis

Inaccurate treatments based on inaccurate self-diagnosis

Malingering and factitious disorder risk

Pathologizing normal feelings

Being inundated with so much information

Confirmatory bias

How to support clients who have sought diagnostic information on social media and google?
“What started the whole thing… clinicians under diagnosing, undervaluing client feedback, not asking all the right questions. And so, folks are feeling dissatisfied with what we're doing and heading to the interweb to understand better what it is that's going on.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Therapists need to listen to their clients, so they don’t feel the need to go elsewhere for information

Identify what is resonating for clients and explore what it means to them

Educate clients about differential diagnosis

Walk through their research (to listen and to help vet sources)

Take your client seriously and support them in getting the help they need

 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Navigating the Social Media Self-Diagnosis Trend</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the TikTok Mental Health and the self-diagnosis trend. We dig into what diagnosis is (and what is actually useful about diagnosis). We also explore the concerns with social media self-diagnosis as well as how we can support our clients with getting accurate assessment and treatment. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>In this podcast episode we talk about self-diagnosis and the impact of social media</h2><p>We have both heard about TikTok diagnoses in our practices and wanted to talk about how therapists might navigate this new trend. </p><h2>What are concerns with social media self-diagnosis?</h2><p>“The point of having a professional be able to properly evaluate is looking through that more nuanced clinical eye in order to look at where the threshold is that actually meets diagnostic [criteria] versus actually just having some characteristics in common with [the diagnosis]. Somebody can be nervous, does not mean that they have anxiety… What is pathologizing normal feelings?” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><ul>
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<li>Seeking only confirmatory diagnosis versus allowing for differential diagnosis</li>
<li>Clinicians who are not doing full assessments to support clients who have self-diagnosed</li>
<li>Clients who do not need treatment taking slots from those who do need assessment and treatment</li>
<li>Lack of nuance in the social media content that doesn’t include information on differential diagnosis</li>
<li>Inaccurate treatments based on inaccurate self-diagnosis</li>
<li>Malingering and factitious disorder risk</li>
<li>Pathologizing normal feelings</li>
<li>Being inundated with so much information</li>
<li>Confirmatory bias</li>
</ul><h3>How to support clients who have sought diagnostic information on social media and google?</h3><p>“What started the whole thing… clinicians under diagnosing, undervaluing client feedback, not asking all the right questions. And so, folks are feeling dissatisfied with what we're doing and heading to the interweb to understand better what it is that's going on.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Therapists need to listen to their clients, so they don’t feel the need to go elsewhere for information</li>
<li>Identify what is resonating for clients and explore what it means to them</li>
<li>Educate clients about differential diagnosis</li>
<li>Walk through their research (to listen and to help vet sources)</li>
<li>Take your client seriously and support them in getting the help they need</li>
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      <title>What Therapists Should Know About Sexual Health, Monkey Pox, and the Echoes of the AIDS Epidemic: An Interview with Mallory Garrett, LMFT</title>
      <description>What Therapists Should Know About Sexual Health, Monkey Pox, and the Echoes of the AIDS Epidemic: An Interview with Mallory Garrett, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Mallory Garrett about sexual health as well as the current concerns related to Monkey Pox. We discuss what therapists usually get wrong when working with sexual health, what therapists need to know about STIs, as well as Monkey Pox. We talk about the relevant history of the HIV/AIDs epidemic and the community responses to Monkey Pox. We also look at how therapists can be most helpful to clients within our scope of practice. Resources to stay up to date with Monkey Pox and sexual health are also included in the show notes. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Mallory Garrett, LMFT
Mallory Garrett is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California and New York. She graduated with a BA in Comparative Literature from UCLA and an MS in Counseling from CSU-Northridge. She began working in the social services sector as a Resident Services Intern with a low-income housing corporation for people living with HIV/AIDS and other chronic health conditions. She continued working in this field during her traineeship and internships as she worked towards licensure. She loves speaking to therapists about destigmatizing HIV/AIDS and STIs and has co-facilitated a workshop through Simple Practice Learning. When not working she enjoys going to the theater and traveling.
In this podcast episode, we talk about sexual health and sexually transmitted infections (STIs)
We talk about sexual health broadly as well as the recent concerns about Monkey Pox and the historical context of HIV/AIDs. 
What do therapists need to know about sexual health, STIs, and Monkey Pox?

Monkey Pox is not technically a STI, but is primarily transmitted sexually in the US

The stigma and concerns of being ignored, especially from those who lived through the HIV/AIDS epidemic

Gay Rights and Sexual Liberation has relevance to these diseases

The extreme societal bias toward the gay community during that time, medical neglect

The emergence of Monkey Pox brought back the fears, stigma, and neglect</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Mallory Garrett about sexual health as well as the current concerns related to Monkey Pox. We discuss what therapists usually get wrong when working with sexual health, what therapists need to know about STIs, as well as Monkey Pox. We talk about the relevant history of the HIV/AIDs epidemic and the community responses to Monkey Pox. We also look at how therapists can be most helpful to clients within our scope of practice. Resources to stay up to date with Monkey Pox and sexual health are also included in the show notes.  </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Therapists Should Know About Sexual Health, Monkey Pox, and the Echoes of the AIDS Epidemic: An Interview with Mallory Garrett, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Mallory Garrett about sexual health as well as the current concerns related to Monkey Pox. We discuss what therapists usually get wrong when working with sexual health, what therapists need to know about STIs, as well as Monkey Pox. We talk about the relevant history of the HIV/AIDs epidemic and the community responses to Monkey Pox. We also look at how therapists can be most helpful to clients within our scope of practice. Resources to stay up to date with Monkey Pox and sexual health are also included in the show notes. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Mallory Garrett, LMFT
Mallory Garrett is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California and New York. She graduated with a BA in Comparative Literature from UCLA and an MS in Counseling from CSU-Northridge. She began working in the social services sector as a Resident Services Intern with a low-income housing corporation for people living with HIV/AIDS and other chronic health conditions. She continued working in this field during her traineeship and internships as she worked towards licensure. She loves speaking to therapists about destigmatizing HIV/AIDS and STIs and has co-facilitated a workshop through Simple Practice Learning. When not working she enjoys going to the theater and traveling.
In this podcast episode, we talk about sexual health and sexually transmitted infections (STIs)
We talk about sexual health broadly as well as the recent concerns about Monkey Pox and the historical context of HIV/AIDs. 
What do therapists need to know about sexual health, STIs, and Monkey Pox?

Monkey Pox is not technically a STI, but is primarily transmitted sexually in the US

The stigma and concerns of being ignored, especially from those who lived through the HIV/AIDS epidemic

Gay Rights and Sexual Liberation has relevance to these diseases

The extreme societal bias toward the gay community during that time, medical neglect

The emergence of Monkey Pox brought back the fears, stigma, and neglect</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>What Therapists Should Know About Sexual Health, Monkey Pox, and the Echoes of the AIDS Epidemic: An Interview with Mallory Garrett, LMFT</h1><p>Curt and Katie interview Mallory Garrett about sexual health as well as the current concerns related to Monkey Pox. We discuss what therapists usually get wrong when working with sexual health, what therapists need to know about STIs, as well as Monkey Pox. We talk about the relevant history of the HIV/AIDs epidemic and the community responses to Monkey Pox. We also look at how therapists can be most helpful to clients within our scope of practice. Resources to stay up to date with Monkey Pox and sexual health are also included in the show notes. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><h2>An Interview with Mallory Garrett, LMFT</h2><p>Mallory Garrett is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California and New York. She graduated with a BA in Comparative Literature from UCLA and an MS in Counseling from CSU-Northridge. She began working in the social services sector as a Resident Services Intern with a low-income housing corporation for people living with HIV/AIDS and other chronic health conditions. She continued working in this field during her traineeship and internships as she worked towards licensure. She loves speaking to therapists about destigmatizing HIV/AIDS and STIs and has co-facilitated a workshop through Simple Practice Learning. When not working she enjoys going to the theater and traveling.</p><h2>In this podcast episode, we talk about sexual health and sexually transmitted infections (STIs)</h2><p>We talk about sexual health broadly as well as the recent concerns about Monkey Pox and the historical context of HIV/AIDs. </p><h3>What do therapists need to know about sexual health, STIs, and Monkey Pox?</h3><ul>
<li>Monkey Pox is not technically a STI, but is primarily transmitted sexually in the US</li>
<li>The stigma and concerns of being ignored, especially from those who lived through the HIV/AIDS epidemic</li>
<li>Gay Rights and Sexual Liberation has relevance to these diseases</li>
<li>The extreme societal bias toward the gay community during that time, medical neglect</li>
<li>The emergence of Monkey Pox brought back the fears, stigma, and neglect</li>
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      <title>It’s the Lack of Thought That Counts: Ethical Decision Making in Dual Relationships</title>
      <description>It’s the Lack of Thought That Counts: Ethical Decision Making in Dual Relationships
Curt and Katie chat about dual relationships. We talk about the types of dual relationships, how often therapists get in trouble for these types of relationships, how to manage dual relationships, and the ethical decision making process to go through to decide whether to engage in a dual relationship. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about ethical decision making to navigate dual relationships
We take a deeper dive into the complex relationships that we can have with our clients, our supervisors and our supervisees.
What are dual relationships?

Therapists know a lot about a very specific dual relationship: having sex with your clients, which is not acceptable

There are many different types of potential dual relationships (we talk about the definitions of each type)

The different hats we may wear with clients and colleagues

What is a strong formal process for ethical decision making?

Pope and Vasquez have a 17 Step Process for ethical decision making

Deeply examining the question, the impact, and exploring any bias

Identifying and understanding relevant laws and ethics

Consultation, documentation, and evaluation

We walk through a specific dual relationship question: what happens if your client refers a friend and colleague to you? How do you decide whether to take the client or not?


For more information about the podcourse: learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about dual relationships. We talk about the types of dual relationships, how often therapists get in trouble for these types of relationships, how to manage dual relationships, and the ethical decision making process to go through to decide whether to engage in a dual relationship. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s the Lack of Thought That Counts: Ethical Decision Making in Dual Relationships
Curt and Katie chat about dual relationships. We talk about the types of dual relationships, how often therapists get in trouble for these types of relationships, how to manage dual relationships, and the ethical decision making process to go through to decide whether to engage in a dual relationship. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about ethical decision making to navigate dual relationships
We take a deeper dive into the complex relationships that we can have with our clients, our supervisors and our supervisees.
What are dual relationships?

Therapists know a lot about a very specific dual relationship: having sex with your clients, which is not acceptable

There are many different types of potential dual relationships (we talk about the definitions of each type)

The different hats we may wear with clients and colleagues

What is a strong formal process for ethical decision making?

Pope and Vasquez have a 17 Step Process for ethical decision making

Deeply examining the question, the impact, and exploring any bias

Identifying and understanding relevant laws and ethics

Consultation, documentation, and evaluation

We walk through a specific dual relationship question: what happens if your client refers a friend and colleague to you? How do you decide whether to take the client or not?


For more information about the podcourse: learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
 </itunes:summary>
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<li>Therapists know a lot about a very specific dual relationship: having sex with your clients, which is not acceptable</li>
<li>There are many different types of potential dual relationships (we talk about the definitions of each type)</li>
<li>The different hats we may wear with clients and colleagues</li>
</ul><h3>What is a strong formal process for ethical decision making?</h3><ul>
<li>Pope and Vasquez have a 17 Step Process for ethical decision making</li>
<li>Deeply examining the question, the impact, and exploring any bias</li>
<li>Identifying and understanding relevant laws and ethics</li>
<li>Consultation, documentation, and evaluation</li>
<li>We walk through a specific dual relationship question: what happens if your client refers a friend and colleague to you? How do you decide whether to take the client or not?</li>
</ul><p><br></p><p>For more information about the podcourse: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>How Can Therapists Help Couples Recover from Infidelity?: An Interview with Dr. Talal H. Alsaleem</title>
      <description>How Can Therapists Help Couples Recover from Infidelity?: An Interview with Dr. Talal H. Alsaleem
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Talal H. Alsaleem, Psy.D, LMFT about System Affair Recovery Treatment (SART) and how therapists can better address infidelity in treatment. We discuss what therapists usually get wrong when working with infidelity, the difference between typical couples counseling and affair recovery, and why infidelity happens. We also look at the SART Model as well as tactics and treatment teaming.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Dr. Talal H. Alsaleem, PsyD, LMFT
Award-winning marriage counselor and researcher, Dr. Talal H. Alsaleem is recognized as a leading expert in the field of infidelity counseling. He is the author of the acclaimed book, Infidelity: The Best Worst Thing that Could Happen to Your Marriage, and the founder of the Infidelity Counseling Center. His research interests and clinical work are focused on identifying the causes of infidelity and providing the best treatment for recovery from its impact. He developed Systematic Affair Recovery Therapy (SART) ™, a method of infidelity counseling that has helped hundreds of couples navigate the challenges of the healing journey from affairs. Dr. Alsaleem is an international lecturer and speaker. His engaging talks have helped many counselors broaden their understanding of infidelity and gain the necessary clinical tools to help their clients recover from affairs. Learn more at TalalAlsaleem.com.
In this podcast episode, we talk about Infidelity
We explore with Dr. Talal Alsaleem what good infidelity counseling can look like and what therapists often get wrong when approaching this type of therapy. 
What is the Systemic Affair Recovery Treatment (SART) Model?
“So in their quest to understand why the infidelity happened, we have to accept that the unfaithful is 100% responsible for the decision that they make for being unfaithful. So even in the worst case scenario, whether there was a huge relationship deficit, and you have the worst partner in the universe, that doesn't give you permission to cheat, you can take them to counseling, you can end the relationship before you cross those lines.” – Dr. Talal Alsaleem

Seven milestones with clinical objectives and interventions

Setting the stage for healing

Getting the narrative of the affair

Acknowledging the impact of the affair

Choosing a path of recovery (individual or within the relationship)

Creating an action plan

Implementation

Sustainability

Infidelity can be the “best worst thing” that happens because you directly address what has happened</description>
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      <itunes:summary>How Can Therapists Help Couples Recover from Infidelity?: An Interview with Dr. Talal H. Alsaleem
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Talal H. Alsaleem, Psy.D, LMFT about System Affair Recovery Treatment (SART) and how therapists can better address infidelity in treatment. We discuss what therapists usually get wrong when working with infidelity, the difference between typical couples counseling and affair recovery, and why infidelity happens. We also look at the SART Model as well as tactics and treatment teaming.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Dr. Talal H. Alsaleem, PsyD, LMFT
Award-winning marriage counselor and researcher, Dr. Talal H. Alsaleem is recognized as a leading expert in the field of infidelity counseling. He is the author of the acclaimed book, Infidelity: The Best Worst Thing that Could Happen to Your Marriage, and the founder of the Infidelity Counseling Center. His research interests and clinical work are focused on identifying the causes of infidelity and providing the best treatment for recovery from its impact. He developed Systematic Affair Recovery Therapy (SART) ™, a method of infidelity counseling that has helped hundreds of couples navigate the challenges of the healing journey from affairs. Dr. Alsaleem is an international lecturer and speaker. His engaging talks have helped many counselors broaden their understanding of infidelity and gain the necessary clinical tools to help their clients recover from affairs. Learn more at TalalAlsaleem.com.
In this podcast episode, we talk about Infidelity
We explore with Dr. Talal Alsaleem what good infidelity counseling can look like and what therapists often get wrong when approaching this type of therapy. 
What is the Systemic Affair Recovery Treatment (SART) Model?
“So in their quest to understand why the infidelity happened, we have to accept that the unfaithful is 100% responsible for the decision that they make for being unfaithful. So even in the worst case scenario, whether there was a huge relationship deficit, and you have the worst partner in the universe, that doesn't give you permission to cheat, you can take them to counseling, you can end the relationship before you cross those lines.” – Dr. Talal Alsaleem

Seven milestones with clinical objectives and interventions

Setting the stage for healing

Getting the narrative of the affair

Acknowledging the impact of the affair

Choosing a path of recovery (individual or within the relationship)

Creating an action plan

Implementation

Sustainability

Infidelity can be the “best worst thing” that happens because you directly address what has happened</itunes:summary>
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<li>Seven milestones with clinical objectives and interventions</li>
<li>Setting the stage for healing</li>
<li>Getting the narrative of the affair</li>
<li>Acknowledging the impact of the affair</li>
<li>Choosing a path of recovery (individual or within the relationship)</li>
<li>Creating an action plan</li>
<li>Implementation</li>
<li>Sustainability</li>
<li>Infidelity can be the “best worst thing” that happens because you directly address what has happened</li>
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      <title>Why Aren’t Men Becoming Therapists Anymore?</title>
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      <description>Why Aren’t Men Becoming Therapists Anymore?
Curt and Katie chat about the lack of male therapists and the decreasing number of male students in the profession. We look at current statistics and reported experiences of men in the field. We also dig into what needs to change to balance gender representation and increase the number of men becoming therapists.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about male therapists
Continuing forward within men’s health month, we are looking at the state of the profession for male therapists. 
Statistics on men in the mental health profession

Depending on license type, mental health professionals are between 60-90% female

Men and women have fairly equal parity on compensation (especially when looking at similar roles)

Men are less likely to seek out these jobs as the wages stagnate, the requirements become more onerous, and due to a lack of male representation and role models

What needs to change to balance gender representation within the mental health field?
“Men typically have privilege in other spaces… And yet I recognize in our field, that's not the case. And so, it's this weird, complex understanding of societal privilege, but not privilege within the field.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Understanding the difference between societal privilege versus professional privilege

Identifying why the number of men is dramatically decreasing within graduate programs and all stages of licensure

The impact of feminism on the conversations about the impact of white men on the field

The perception of “male bashing” and the need to nurture male voices within the profession

The challenge of identifying when men are being ignored or “soloed out”

The problem of stereotyping, ignoring, or isolating male therapists and students

Men being automatically pushed into leadership due to mentorship by male faculty and bias toward men as leaders

How do we get more men into the mental health profession?
“If we're identifying that men need to go and get mental health treatment, and there's no men to get it from, this then has the potential for reaching critical failure as a profession in being able to provide services.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Reaching critical failure in trying to provide services to men (if men no longer enter the profession)

Recruitment strategies for graduate programs

Making the profession sustainable for all individuals

Pushing back against wage stagnation due to feminization of the profession

Looking at retention and commitment for male therapists

The importance of representation across the mental health profession


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Clinical Therapist Demographics and Statistics In The US
Number of women vs men in grad programs: https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/12/datapoint
Men’s experiences in the field:
https://www.apa.org/gradpsych/2011/01/cover-men
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-021-01960-9
Faculty experiences of teaching male students: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-015-0473-1
Recruiting men into the field:  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259538918_A_Mixed_Methods_Study_of_Male_Recruitment_in_the_Counseling_Profession
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Why Aren’t Men Becoming Therapists Anymore? Curt and Katie chat about the lack of male therapists and the decreasing number of male students in the profession. We look at current statistics and reported experiences of men in the field. We also dig...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why Aren’t Men Becoming Therapists Anymore?
Curt and Katie chat about the lack of male therapists and the decreasing number of male students in the profession. We look at current statistics and reported experiences of men in the field. We also dig into what needs to change to balance gender representation and increase the number of men becoming therapists.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about male therapists
Continuing forward within men’s health month, we are looking at the state of the profession for male therapists. 
Statistics on men in the mental health profession

Depending on license type, mental health professionals are between 60-90% female

Men and women have fairly equal parity on compensation (especially when looking at similar roles)

Men are less likely to seek out these jobs as the wages stagnate, the requirements become more onerous, and due to a lack of male representation and role models

What needs to change to balance gender representation within the mental health field?
“Men typically have privilege in other spaces… And yet I recognize in our field, that's not the case. And so, it's this weird, complex understanding of societal privilege, but not privilege within the field.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Understanding the difference between societal privilege versus professional privilege

Identifying why the number of men is dramatically decreasing within graduate programs and all stages of licensure

The impact of feminism on the conversations about the impact of white men on the field

The perception of “male bashing” and the need to nurture male voices within the profession

The challenge of identifying when men are being ignored or “soloed out”

The problem of stereotyping, ignoring, or isolating male therapists and students

Men being automatically pushed into leadership due to mentorship by male faculty and bias toward men as leaders

How do we get more men into the mental health profession?
“If we're identifying that men need to go and get mental health treatment, and there's no men to get it from, this then has the potential for reaching critical failure as a profession in being able to provide services.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Reaching critical failure in trying to provide services to men (if men no longer enter the profession)

Recruitment strategies for graduate programs

Making the profession sustainable for all individuals

Pushing back against wage stagnation due to feminization of the profession

Looking at retention and commitment for male therapists

The importance of representation across the mental health profession


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Clinical Therapist Demographics and Statistics In The US
Number of women vs men in grad programs: https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/12/datapoint
Men’s experiences in the field:
https://www.apa.org/gradpsych/2011/01/cover-men
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-021-01960-9
Faculty experiences of teaching male students: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-015-0473-1
Recruiting men into the field:  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259538918_A_Mixed_Methods_Study_of_Male_Recruitment_in_the_Counseling_Profession
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Why Aren’t Men Becoming Therapists Anymore?</h1><p>Curt and Katie chat about the lack of male therapists and the decreasing number of male students in the profession. We look at current statistics and reported experiences of men in the field. We also dig into what needs to change to balance gender representation and increase the number of men becoming therapists.   </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about male therapists</p><p>Continuing forward within men’s health month, we are looking at the state of the profession for male therapists. </p><p>Statistics on men in the mental health profession</p><ul>
<li>Depending on license type, mental health professionals are between 60-90% female</li>
<li>Men and women have fairly equal parity on compensation (especially when looking at similar roles)</li>
<li>Men are less likely to seek out these jobs as the wages stagnate, the requirements become more onerous, and due to a lack of male representation and role models</li>
</ul><p>What needs to change to balance gender representation within the mental health field?</p><p>“Men typically have privilege in other spaces… And yet I recognize in our field, that's not the case. And so, it's this weird, complex understanding of societal privilege, but not privilege within the field.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Understanding the difference between societal privilege versus professional privilege</li>
<li>Identifying why the number of men is dramatically decreasing within graduate programs and all stages of licensure</li>
<li>The impact of feminism on the conversations about the impact of white men on the field</li>
<li>The perception of “male bashing” and the need to nurture male voices within the profession</li>
<li>The challenge of identifying when men are being ignored or “soloed out”</li>
<li>The problem of stereotyping, ignoring, or isolating male therapists and students</li>
<li>Men being automatically pushed into leadership due to mentorship by male faculty and bias toward men as leaders</li>
</ul><p>How do we get more men into the mental health profession?</p><p>“If we're identifying that men need to go and get mental health treatment, and there's no men to get it from, this then has the potential for reaching critical failure as a profession in being able to provide services.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Reaching critical failure in trying to provide services to men (if men no longer enter the profession)</li>
<li>Recruitment strategies for graduate programs</li>
<li>Making the profession sustainable for all individuals</li>
<li>Pushing back against wage stagnation due to feminization of the profession</li>
<li>Looking at retention and commitment for male therapists</li>
<li>The importance of representation across the mental health profession</li>
</ul><p><br></p><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.zippia.com/clinical-therapist-jobs/demographics/">Clinical Therapist Demographics and Statistics In The US</a></p><p>Number of women vs men in grad programs: <a href="https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/12/datapoint">https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/12/datapoint</a></p><p>Men’s experiences in the field:</p><p><a href="https://www.apa.org/gradpsych/2011/01/cover-men">https://www.apa.org/gradpsych/2011/01/cover-men</a></p><p><a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-021-01960-9">https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-021-01960-9</a></p><p>Faculty experiences of teaching male students: <a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-015-0473-1">https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-015-0473-1</a></p><p>Recruiting men into the field: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259538918_A_Mixed_Methods_Study_of_Male_Recruitment_in_the_Counseling_Profession"> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259538918_A_Mixed_Methods_Study_of_Male_Recruitment_in_the_Counseling_Profession</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Why Men Don’t Stay in Therapy</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/why-men-dont-stay-in-therapy</link>
      <description>Why Men Don’t Stay in Therapy
Curt and Katie chat about men’s mental health. We look at why men typically go to therapy, their experiences while in therapy, what therapists get wrong when working with men, and how therapists better support the needs of men seeking mental health treatment.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about men seeking therapy
For Men’s Health Awareness month, we want to explore men seeking mental health services.
Why do men typically go to therapy?

Others telling men to go to therapy

Career or relationship issues

Depression, which looks like irritability and hostility (externalized behaviors)

What is the experience of men in therapy?
“Some of this research [on men accessing mental healthcare] shows that while men are increasing in the numbers presenting for mental health treatment, they tend to drop out earlier than women and they tend to drop out at a lot faster rate than women. So that to me says that we as a field are doing something wrong, that we are not able to meet the needs of men. All of that great advice out of ‘hey, go and seek mental health treatment,’ is falling on people who are trying it out and finding bad experiences with it. “– Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Therapy seems to try to get men to emote like women

Invalidating masculine presentations and behaviors

Equating masculinity with toxic masculinity

Not feeling safe to express emotions beyond confidence, neutrality, or anger

How can therapists better serve men seeking therapy?

Understanding and honoring a range of masculinities (even within the same client)

Helping men to broaden their range of emotional expression

Problem-solving, solution-focused can be helpful for men who want to have a clearly defined goal to work toward

Collaboratively creating treatment goals

Identity work that supports self-definition of masculinity

What can therapists get wrong when working with men in therapy?
“There is such a broad array of understandings at this point of what masculinity and what ‘real men do’ that I think we need to be aware that whether it's traditional gender roles, or more current… there's some need for an understanding of where your client sits.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Framing masculinity and toxic masculinity solely as “bad”

Not digging more deeply into individual development around masculinity

Taking offense at their client’s gender identity or ignoring their own bias around “traditional gender roles”

How therapists characterize men’s presenting problems (assigning blame, like depression being seen as anger or hostility, men being described as violent rather than traumatized)

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Men’s mental health: Spaces and places that work for men
 Why it’s time to focus on masculinity in mental health training and clinical practice
Men’s Dropout From Mental Health Services: Results From a Survey of Australian Men Across the Life Span
Improving Mental Health Service Utilization Among Men: A Systematic Review and Synthesis of Behavior Change Techniques Within Interventions Targeting Help-Seeking
Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:
 The Fifty-Minute Hour
Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Why Men Don’t Stay in Therapy</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Why Men Don’t Stay in Therapy Curt and Katie chat about men’s mental health. We look at why men typically go to therapy, their experiences while in therapy, what therapists get wrong when working with men, and how therapists better support the...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why Men Don’t Stay in Therapy
Curt and Katie chat about men’s mental health. We look at why men typically go to therapy, their experiences while in therapy, what therapists get wrong when working with men, and how therapists better support the needs of men seeking mental health treatment.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about men seeking therapy
For Men’s Health Awareness month, we want to explore men seeking mental health services.
Why do men typically go to therapy?

Others telling men to go to therapy

Career or relationship issues

Depression, which looks like irritability and hostility (externalized behaviors)

What is the experience of men in therapy?
“Some of this research [on men accessing mental healthcare] shows that while men are increasing in the numbers presenting for mental health treatment, they tend to drop out earlier than women and they tend to drop out at a lot faster rate than women. So that to me says that we as a field are doing something wrong, that we are not able to meet the needs of men. All of that great advice out of ‘hey, go and seek mental health treatment,’ is falling on people who are trying it out and finding bad experiences with it. “– Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Therapy seems to try to get men to emote like women

Invalidating masculine presentations and behaviors

Equating masculinity with toxic masculinity

Not feeling safe to express emotions beyond confidence, neutrality, or anger

How can therapists better serve men seeking therapy?

Understanding and honoring a range of masculinities (even within the same client)

Helping men to broaden their range of emotional expression

Problem-solving, solution-focused can be helpful for men who want to have a clearly defined goal to work toward

Collaboratively creating treatment goals

Identity work that supports self-definition of masculinity

What can therapists get wrong when working with men in therapy?
“There is such a broad array of understandings at this point of what masculinity and what ‘real men do’ that I think we need to be aware that whether it's traditional gender roles, or more current… there's some need for an understanding of where your client sits.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Framing masculinity and toxic masculinity solely as “bad”

Not digging more deeply into individual development around masculinity

Taking offense at their client’s gender identity or ignoring their own bias around “traditional gender roles”

How therapists characterize men’s presenting problems (assigning blame, like depression being seen as anger or hostility, men being described as violent rather than traumatized)

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Men’s mental health: Spaces and places that work for men
 Why it’s time to focus on masculinity in mental health training and clinical practice
Men’s Dropout From Mental Health Services: Results From a Survey of Australian Men Across the Life Span
Improving Mental Health Service Utilization Among Men: A Systematic Review and Synthesis of Behavior Change Techniques Within Interventions Targeting Help-Seeking
Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:
 The Fifty-Minute Hour
Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Why Men Don’t Stay in Therapy</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about men’s mental health. We look at why men typically go to therapy, their experiences while in therapy, what therapists get wrong when working with men, and how therapists better support the needs of men seeking mental health treatment.   </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about men seeking therapy</p><p>For Men’s Health Awareness month, we want to explore men seeking mental health services.</p><p>Why do men typically go to therapy?</p><ul>
<li>Others telling men to go to therapy</li>
<li>Career or relationship issues</li>
<li>Depression, which looks like irritability and hostility (externalized behaviors)</li>
</ul><p>What is the experience of men in therapy?</p><p>“Some of this research [on men accessing mental healthcare] shows that while men are increasing in the numbers presenting for mental health treatment, they tend to drop out earlier than women and they tend to drop out at a lot faster rate than women. So that to me says that we as a field are doing something wrong, that we are not able to meet the needs of men. All of that great advice out of ‘hey, go and seek mental health treatment,’ is falling on people who are trying it out and finding bad experiences with it. “– Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Therapy seems to try to get men to emote like women</li>
<li>Invalidating masculine presentations and behaviors</li>
<li>Equating masculinity with toxic masculinity</li>
<li>Not feeling safe to express emotions beyond confidence, neutrality, or anger</li>
</ul><p>How can therapists better serve men seeking therapy?</p><ul>
<li>Understanding and honoring a range of masculinities (even within the same client)</li>
<li>Helping men to broaden their range of emotional expression</li>
<li>Problem-solving, solution-focused can be helpful for men who want to have a clearly defined goal to work toward</li>
<li>Collaboratively creating treatment goals</li>
<li>Identity work that supports self-definition of masculinity</li>
</ul><p>What can therapists get wrong when working with men in therapy?</p><p>“There is such a broad array of understandings at this point of what masculinity and what ‘real men do’ that I think we need to be aware that whether it's traditional gender roles, or more current… there's some need for an understanding of where your client sits.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Framing masculinity and toxic masculinity solely as “bad”</li>
<li>Not digging more deeply into individual development around masculinity</li>
<li>Taking offense at their client’s gender identity or ignoring their own bias around “traditional gender roles”</li>
<li>How therapists characterize men’s presenting problems (assigning blame, like depression being seen as anger or hostility, men being described as violent rather than traumatized)</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.cfp.ca/content/62/6/463.long">Men’s mental health: Spaces and places that work for men</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328139415_Why_it%27s_time_to_focus_on_masculinity_in_mental_health_training_and_clinical_practice"> Why it’s time to focus on masculinity in mental health training and clinical practice</a></p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/15579883211014776">Men’s Dropout From Mental Health Services: Results From a Survey of Australian Men Across the Life Span</a></p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1557988319857009">Improving Mental Health Service Utilization Among Men: A Systematic Review and Synthesis of Behavior Change Techniques Within Interventions Targeting Help-Seeking</a></p><p>Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultations-for-modern-therapists/"> The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What is Play Therapy?: An Interview with Ofra Obejas, LCSW</title>
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      <description>What is Play Therapy?: An Interview with Ofra Obejas, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Ofra Obejas, LCSW, RPT-S, about working with children in therapy. We look at what therapists often get wrong, important factors to understand, specialized training required (including play therapy), and what you actually do in therapy session with children. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Ofra Obejas, LCSW, Registered Play Therapist - Supervisor
Ofra Obejas, Registered Play Therapist - Supervisor level, is a professional player. She works with elementary- to middle-school aged children. She’s been called by some of her clients a “kid grownup.” (That’s her rapper name.) She’s taught at the University of San Diego Play Therapy program and presents webinars and courses on clinical topics related to children’s issues.
In this podcast episode, we talk about Play Therapy
We reached out to our friend, Ofra Obejas to talk with us about how to work with kiddos and what additional training is needed to work effectively with children.
What do therapists get wrong when working with children?

Treating children like mini-adults

Not understanding the skill involved in play therapy

What are important factors for therapists to understand when working with children?

Children have a different culture (i.e., the tooth fairy is real)

The therapist’s role as translator for what children are saying

Children will make you feel what they feel (e.g., powerlessness, never getting anything right)

The importance of showing feelings to children as a therapist (versus remaining a blank slate)

What do you do with children in therapy sessions?

Psychodrama and re-enacting situations

Therapists can use any theoretical orientation

Ways to interact with the child

Paying attention to transference and countertransference

Case conceptualization, including family therapy and work with parents

What specialized training is most effective for working with children?

There are specialized protocols for working with children with many different orientations

Identifying which orientation suits you

How to understand what is being reenacted and how to respond: Notice it, sit with it, make meaning of it; Observe it, name it, model how to cope with it

What boundaries should therapists set when working with children and families?

Unit of treatment (family, individual, who was showing up to the session?)

Treatment goals (what are we working on?)

What children are allowed to do in the session

Interactions with caregivers and the responsibilities caregivers have during sessions

What does online therapy look like with children?

The challenges with working with children online

Online sand tray, online dollhouse, online puppet theater

Creating a virtual play room

New trainings for VR therapy for children

Watching children play video games online

How has the pandemic impacted children?

This was dependent on how well parents were able to self-regulate and stay within the window of tolerance (was there someone who could help the child to regulate)

Lack of socialization and difficulty in having conversations


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! Ofra Obejas’ website: redondovillagecounseling.com
Ofra on YouTube
 UCSD - Play Therapy Program
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      <itunes:title>What is Play Therapy?: An Interview with Ofra Obejas, LCSW</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What is Play Therapy?: An Interview with Ofra Obejas, LCSW Curt and Katie interview Ofra Obejas, LCSW, RPT-S, about working with children in therapy. We look at what therapists often get wrong, important factors to understand, specialized training...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What is Play Therapy?: An Interview with Ofra Obejas, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Ofra Obejas, LCSW, RPT-S, about working with children in therapy. We look at what therapists often get wrong, important factors to understand, specialized training required (including play therapy), and what you actually do in therapy session with children. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Ofra Obejas, LCSW, Registered Play Therapist - Supervisor
Ofra Obejas, Registered Play Therapist - Supervisor level, is a professional player. She works with elementary- to middle-school aged children. She’s been called by some of her clients a “kid grownup.” (That’s her rapper name.) She’s taught at the University of San Diego Play Therapy program and presents webinars and courses on clinical topics related to children’s issues.
In this podcast episode, we talk about Play Therapy
We reached out to our friend, Ofra Obejas to talk with us about how to work with kiddos and what additional training is needed to work effectively with children.
What do therapists get wrong when working with children?

Treating children like mini-adults

Not understanding the skill involved in play therapy

What are important factors for therapists to understand when working with children?

Children have a different culture (i.e., the tooth fairy is real)

The therapist’s role as translator for what children are saying

Children will make you feel what they feel (e.g., powerlessness, never getting anything right)

The importance of showing feelings to children as a therapist (versus remaining a blank slate)

What do you do with children in therapy sessions?

Psychodrama and re-enacting situations

Therapists can use any theoretical orientation

Ways to interact with the child

Paying attention to transference and countertransference

Case conceptualization, including family therapy and work with parents

What specialized training is most effective for working with children?

There are specialized protocols for working with children with many different orientations

Identifying which orientation suits you

How to understand what is being reenacted and how to respond: Notice it, sit with it, make meaning of it; Observe it, name it, model how to cope with it

What boundaries should therapists set when working with children and families?

Unit of treatment (family, individual, who was showing up to the session?)

Treatment goals (what are we working on?)

What children are allowed to do in the session

Interactions with caregivers and the responsibilities caregivers have during sessions

What does online therapy look like with children?

The challenges with working with children online

Online sand tray, online dollhouse, online puppet theater

Creating a virtual play room

New trainings for VR therapy for children

Watching children play video games online

How has the pandemic impacted children?

This was dependent on how well parents were able to self-regulate and stay within the window of tolerance (was there someone who could help the child to regulate)

Lack of socialization and difficulty in having conversations


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! Ofra Obejas’ website: redondovillagecounseling.com
Ofra on YouTube
 UCSD - Play Therapy Program
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        <![CDATA[<p>What is Play Therapy?: An Interview with Ofra Obejas, LCSW</p><p>Curt and Katie interview Ofra Obejas, LCSW, RPT-S, about working with children in therapy. We look at what therapists often get wrong, important factors to understand, specialized training required (including play therapy), and what you actually do in therapy session with children. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>An Interview with Ofra Obejas, LCSW, Registered Play Therapist - Supervisor</p><p>Ofra Obejas, Registered Play Therapist - Supervisor level, is a professional player. She works with elementary- to middle-school aged children. She’s been called by some of her clients a “kid grownup.” (That’s her rapper name.) She’s taught at the University of San Diego Play Therapy program and presents webinars and courses on clinical topics related to children’s issues.</p><p>In this podcast episode, we talk about Play Therapy</p><p>We reached out to our friend, Ofra Obejas to talk with us about how to work with kiddos and what additional training is needed to work effectively with children.</p><p>What do therapists get wrong when working with children?</p><ul>
<li>Treating children like mini-adults</li>
<li>Not understanding the skill involved in play therapy</li>
</ul><p>What are important factors for therapists to understand when working with children?</p><ul>
<li>Children have a different culture (i.e., the tooth fairy is real)</li>
<li>The therapist’s role as translator for what children are saying</li>
<li>Children will make you feel what they feel (e.g., powerlessness, never getting anything right)</li>
<li>The importance of showing feelings to children as a therapist (versus remaining a blank slate)</li>
</ul><p>What do you do with children in therapy sessions?</p><ul>
<li>Psychodrama and re-enacting situations</li>
<li>Therapists can use any theoretical orientation</li>
<li>Ways to interact with the child</li>
<li>Paying attention to transference and countertransference</li>
<li>Case conceptualization, including family therapy and work with parents</li>
</ul><p>What specialized training is most effective for working with children?</p><ul>
<li>There are specialized protocols for working with children with many different orientations</li>
<li>Identifying which orientation suits you</li>
<li>How to understand what is being reenacted and how to respond: Notice it, sit with it, make meaning of it; Observe it, name it, model how to cope with it</li>
</ul><p>What boundaries should therapists set when working with children and families?</p><ul>
<li>Unit of treatment (family, individual, who was showing up to the session?)</li>
<li>Treatment goals (what are we working on?)</li>
<li>What children are allowed to do in the session</li>
<li>Interactions with caregivers and the responsibilities caregivers have during sessions</li>
</ul><p>What does online therapy look like with children?</p><ul>
<li>The challenges with working with children online</li>
<li>Online sand tray, online dollhouse, online puppet theater</li>
<li>Creating a virtual play room</li>
<li>New trainings for VR therapy for children</li>
<li>Watching children play video games online</li>
</ul><p>How has the pandemic impacted children?</p><ul>
<li>This was dependent on how well parents were able to self-regulate and stay within the window of tolerance (was there someone who could help the child to regulate)</li>
<li>Lack of socialization and difficulty in having conversations</li>
</ul><p><br></p><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! Ofra Obejas’ website: <a href="https://redondovillagecounseling.com/">redondovillagecounseling.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvrL1Kwjkpw">Ofra on YouTube</a></p><p><a href="https://extendedstudies.ucsd.edu/courses-and-programs/how-to-become-a-play-therapist"> UCSD - Play Therapy Program</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>How Therapists Can Really Help Kids Who Are Being Bullied</title>
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      <description>How Therapists Can Really Help Kids Who Are Being Bullied
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can support the targets of bullying. We explore what bullying actually is as well as what can be problematic in how it is typically addressed. We also discuss individual therapy strategies for kids who have been bullied. Curt and Katie also debate about whether the targets of bullying should change what makes them different to avoid getting bullied.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can effectively treat bullying in therapy
For Bullying Prevention month, we decided to dig into what bullying actually is and how therapists can treat bullying in therapy.
What is bullying actually?

The definition of bullying and how it is described currently (i.e., teasing versus bullying)

Target and aggressor (versus victim and bully) as more appropriate language to describe participants

Three essential elements of bullying: ongoing behavior, behavior is intended to be harmful, and there is a power differential between the aggressor and the target

The relevance of impact versus intention of behavior

Numerous types of power imbalances that can be present

Types: physical, verbal, social or covert, cyber bullying

What is problematic in how bullying is typically addressed?
“Aggressors have a more robust set of social skills. And it's being able to adapt more quickly to things that are socially changing, even in the moment. This also plays a role in the reporting on the people teasing them because the more socially adept kids are then better able to convince the adults around them. Oh, no, we were just playing. We were teasing back and forth.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Most bullying is not observed by adults

Not moving past holding space

Looking toward community interventions rather than individual

Lack of understanding of what cyber bullying actually looks like (when you haven’t grown up as a digital native)

Aggressors have a more robust set of social skills

Strategies for kids who have been bullied
“I think we also need to recognize that if we go too far in telling people not to be different, we are invalidating their identity. And if we don't go far enough, and we don't help them to be part of society, they may continue to get really harshly bullied, but either one is damaging.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Beyond ignoring (especially if there is an audience)

Understanding what the target’s response means to the aggressor

Not playing into what the aggressor is doing, escalating to forceful “stop,” seeking out a trusted adult (or multiple adults)

Debate on whether a target should shift their behavior and change what makes them different

Building confidence versus masking

Safety now versus identity development

Practicing responses to potential bullying statements in session

Including targets in the planning process with adults

The challenges with mediation within school settings (and the importance of follow up)

Systemic or prevention programs that also address bystanders

O
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Article: Parent-Assisted Social Skills Training to Improve Friendships in Teens with Autism Spectrum Disorders
Article: The 411 on Bullying
Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:
 The Fifty-Minute Hour
Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:subtitle>How Therapists Can Really Help Kids Who Are Being Bullied Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can support the targets of bullying. We explore what bullying actually is as well as what can be problematic in how it is typically addressed. We also...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Therapists Can Really Help Kids Who Are Being Bullied
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can support the targets of bullying. We explore what bullying actually is as well as what can be problematic in how it is typically addressed. We also discuss individual therapy strategies for kids who have been bullied. Curt and Katie also debate about whether the targets of bullying should change what makes them different to avoid getting bullied.   
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can effectively treat bullying in therapy
For Bullying Prevention month, we decided to dig into what bullying actually is and how therapists can treat bullying in therapy.
What is bullying actually?

The definition of bullying and how it is described currently (i.e., teasing versus bullying)

Target and aggressor (versus victim and bully) as more appropriate language to describe participants

Three essential elements of bullying: ongoing behavior, behavior is intended to be harmful, and there is a power differential between the aggressor and the target

The relevance of impact versus intention of behavior

Numerous types of power imbalances that can be present

Types: physical, verbal, social or covert, cyber bullying

What is problematic in how bullying is typically addressed?
“Aggressors have a more robust set of social skills. And it's being able to adapt more quickly to things that are socially changing, even in the moment. This also plays a role in the reporting on the people teasing them because the more socially adept kids are then better able to convince the adults around them. Oh, no, we were just playing. We were teasing back and forth.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Most bullying is not observed by adults

Not moving past holding space

Looking toward community interventions rather than individual

Lack of understanding of what cyber bullying actually looks like (when you haven’t grown up as a digital native)

Aggressors have a more robust set of social skills

Strategies for kids who have been bullied
“I think we also need to recognize that if we go too far in telling people not to be different, we are invalidating their identity. And if we don't go far enough, and we don't help them to be part of society, they may continue to get really harshly bullied, but either one is damaging.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Beyond ignoring (especially if there is an audience)

Understanding what the target’s response means to the aggressor

Not playing into what the aggressor is doing, escalating to forceful “stop,” seeking out a trusted adult (or multiple adults)

Debate on whether a target should shift their behavior and change what makes them different

Building confidence versus masking

Safety now versus identity development

Practicing responses to potential bullying statements in session

Including targets in the planning process with adults

The challenges with mediation within school settings (and the importance of follow up)

Systemic or prevention programs that also address bystanders

O
Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Article: Parent-Assisted Social Skills Training to Improve Friendships in Teens with Autism Spectrum Disorders
Article: The 411 on Bullying
Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:
 The Fifty-Minute Hour
Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>How Therapists Can Really Help Kids Who Are Being Bullied</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can support the targets of bullying. We explore what bullying actually is as well as what can be problematic in how it is typically addressed. We also discuss individual therapy strategies for kids who have been bullied. Curt and Katie also debate about whether the targets of bullying should change what makes them different to avoid getting bullied.   </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can effectively treat bullying in therapy</p><p>For Bullying Prevention month, we decided to dig into what bullying actually is and how therapists can treat bullying in therapy.</p><p>What is bullying actually?</p><ul>
<li>The definition of bullying and how it is described currently (i.e., teasing versus bullying)</li>
<li>Target and aggressor (versus victim and bully) as more appropriate language to describe participants</li>
<li>Three essential elements of bullying: ongoing behavior, behavior is intended to be harmful, and there is a power differential between the aggressor and the target</li>
<li>The relevance of impact versus intention of behavior</li>
<li>Numerous types of power imbalances that can be present</li>
<li>Types: physical, verbal, social or covert, cyber bullying</li>
</ul><p>What is problematic in how bullying is typically addressed?</p><p>“Aggressors have a more robust set of social skills. And it's being able to adapt more quickly to things that are socially changing, even in the moment. This also plays a role in the reporting on the people teasing them because the more socially adept kids are then better able to convince the adults around them. Oh, no, we were just playing. We were teasing back and forth.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Most bullying is not observed by adults</li>
<li>Not moving past holding space</li>
<li>Looking toward community interventions rather than individual</li>
<li>Lack of understanding of what cyber bullying actually looks like (when you haven’t grown up as a digital native)</li>
<li>Aggressors have a more robust set of social skills</li>
</ul><p>Strategies for kids who have been bullied</p><p>“I think we also need to recognize that if we go too far in telling people not to be different, we are invalidating their identity. And if we don't go far enough, and we don't help them to be part of society, they may continue to get really harshly bullied, but either one is damaging.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Beyond ignoring (especially if there is an audience)</li>
<li>Understanding what the target’s response means to the aggressor</li>
<li>Not playing into what the aggressor is doing, escalating to forceful “stop,” seeking out a trusted adult (or multiple adults)</li>
<li>Debate on whether a target should shift their behavior and change what makes them different</li>
<li>Building confidence versus masking</li>
<li>Safety now versus identity development</li>
<li>Practicing responses to potential bullying statements in session</li>
<li>Including targets in the planning process with adults</li>
<li>The challenges with mediation within school settings (and the importance of follow up)</li>
<li>Systemic or prevention programs that also address bystanders</li>
</ul><p>O</p><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>Article: <a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10803-008-0664-5">Parent-Assisted Social Skills Training to Improve Friendships in Teens with Autism Spectrum Disorders</a></p><p>Article: <a href="https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/grants/226235.pdf">The 411 on Bullying</a></p><p>Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultations-for-modern-therapists/"> The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Modern Therapists Should Know About Law Enforcement Mental Health: An Interview with Cyndi Doyle, LPC</title>
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      <description>What Modern Therapists Should Know About Law Enforcement Mental Health: An Interview with Cyndi Doyle, LPC
Curt and Katie interview Cyndi Doyle on the mental health of law enforcement officers. We look at how being a cop impacts their mental health as well as specific incidents and the chronic desensitization. We also explore the feelings in law enforcement related to calls to defund the police and how society views the cops. Content warning: potentially traumatic incidents (violence, death)
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Cyndi Doyle, LPC
Cyndi Doyle is a Licensed Professional Counselor, group practice co-owner, founder of Code4Couples®, podcaster, and author of Hold the Line: The Essential Guide to Protecting Your Law Enforcement Relationship. She has spoken nationally and internationally including at the International Association of Chiefs of Police Conferences (IACP), the FBI National Academy Association (FBINAA) Conference, keynoted at police spouse conferences throughout the country, and at trained various police departments. While much of her work focuses on first responders, Cyndi’s stories of embracing and wrestling with living her own bold and authentic life have resulted in her being a sought-after speaker for other mental health professionals. Her message of humanizing struggle, compassion, courage, and resilience has resulted in her speaking nationally and even keynoting at the 2020 Texas Counseling Association Professional Growth Conference. That same year, the American Counseling Association awarded her the Samuel Gladding Unsung Heroes Award for her work with first responders and contribution to the field of counseling.
In this podcast episode, we talk about Law Enforcement Mental Health
We reached out to our friend, Cyndi Doyle to explore a population of folks who we typically don’t think about as our patients: Law Enforcement Officers (LEO).
What should modern therapists know about the mental health of Law Enforcement Officers and their families?

Different dynamics than typical couples

The definition of cynicism

How training impacts the mental health of officers

Misinterpretation of control versus abuse

Over diagnosis of trauma

The negative impacts on police officers of the heightened scrutiny and criticism

Hypervigilance and the impact of cameras on police offers performing their jobs

The lack of support from the community (or the legislators or even law enforcement leadership) for officers

Lack of compassion satisfaction, considering quitting their job, PTSD

The impact on Law Enforcement Officer (LEO) families

Exploration of the calls to defund the police and fund other resources

Looking at the law enforcement response to defunding the police

Exploring community policing and how that could help decrease abuses

The cultural shifts and education happening at police departments

The potential for mental health resources being added to policing

When staffing is down, there is less time to recuperate and be prepared for work

Mental Health Concerns that bring law enforcement officers and their families into therapy

Stress, Anxiety, Depression, Addiction

Relationships, family and couple

Incident, critical incident, trauma

Desensitization to violent incidents, injuries, and death

The personalization in incidents that can cause more of a trauma response

The insufficient training to build resilience for law enforcement officers

The shifting culture that is now recognizing mental health as health, but the ongoing stigma for seeking support

Cynicism, lack of empathy, and bias in Law Enforcement

The mindset that narrows down to “everyone” behaves

Working to make officers more human, so they can see more good in the world

The importance of supporting the resilience and empathy within LEO (while recognizing that some of these things are not helpful “on the job”)

Cyndi Doyle.com</description>
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      <itunes:summary>What Modern Therapists Should Know About Law Enforcement Mental Health: An Interview with Cyndi Doyle, LPC
Curt and Katie interview Cyndi Doyle on the mental health of law enforcement officers. We look at how being a cop impacts their mental health as well as specific incidents and the chronic desensitization. We also explore the feelings in law enforcement related to calls to defund the police and how society views the cops. Content warning: potentially traumatic incidents (violence, death)
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Cyndi Doyle, LPC
Cyndi Doyle is a Licensed Professional Counselor, group practice co-owner, founder of Code4Couples®, podcaster, and author of Hold the Line: The Essential Guide to Protecting Your Law Enforcement Relationship. She has spoken nationally and internationally including at the International Association of Chiefs of Police Conferences (IACP), the FBI National Academy Association (FBINAA) Conference, keynoted at police spouse conferences throughout the country, and at trained various police departments. While much of her work focuses on first responders, Cyndi’s stories of embracing and wrestling with living her own bold and authentic life have resulted in her being a sought-after speaker for other mental health professionals. Her message of humanizing struggle, compassion, courage, and resilience has resulted in her speaking nationally and even keynoting at the 2020 Texas Counseling Association Professional Growth Conference. That same year, the American Counseling Association awarded her the Samuel Gladding Unsung Heroes Award for her work with first responders and contribution to the field of counseling.
In this podcast episode, we talk about Law Enforcement Mental Health
We reached out to our friend, Cyndi Doyle to explore a population of folks who we typically don’t think about as our patients: Law Enforcement Officers (LEO).
What should modern therapists know about the mental health of Law Enforcement Officers and their families?

Different dynamics than typical couples

The definition of cynicism

How training impacts the mental health of officers

Misinterpretation of control versus abuse

Over diagnosis of trauma

The negative impacts on police officers of the heightened scrutiny and criticism

Hypervigilance and the impact of cameras on police offers performing their jobs

The lack of support from the community (or the legislators or even law enforcement leadership) for officers

Lack of compassion satisfaction, considering quitting their job, PTSD

The impact on Law Enforcement Officer (LEO) families

Exploration of the calls to defund the police and fund other resources

Looking at the law enforcement response to defunding the police

Exploring community policing and how that could help decrease abuses

The cultural shifts and education happening at police departments

The potential for mental health resources being added to policing

When staffing is down, there is less time to recuperate and be prepared for work

Mental Health Concerns that bring law enforcement officers and their families into therapy

Stress, Anxiety, Depression, Addiction

Relationships, family and couple

Incident, critical incident, trauma

Desensitization to violent incidents, injuries, and death

The personalization in incidents that can cause more of a trauma response

The insufficient training to build resilience for law enforcement officers

The shifting culture that is now recognizing mental health as health, but the ongoing stigma for seeking support

Cynicism, lack of empathy, and bias in Law Enforcement

The mindset that narrows down to “everyone” behaves

Working to make officers more human, so they can see more good in the world

The importance of supporting the resilience and empathy within LEO (while recognizing that some of these things are not helpful “on the job”)

Cyndi Doyle.com</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What Modern Therapists Should Know About Law Enforcement Mental Health: An Interview with Cyndi Doyle, LPC</p><p>Curt and Katie interview Cyndi Doyle on the mental health of law enforcement officers. We look at how being a cop impacts their mental health as well as specific incidents and the chronic desensitization. We also explore the feelings in law enforcement related to calls to defund the police and how society views the cops. Content warning: potentially traumatic incidents (violence, death)</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>An Interview with Cyndi Doyle, LPC</p><p>Cyndi Doyle is a Licensed Professional Counselor, group practice co-owner, founder of Code4Couples®, podcaster, and author of Hold the Line: The Essential Guide to Protecting Your Law Enforcement Relationship. She has spoken nationally and internationally including at the International Association of Chiefs of Police Conferences (IACP), the FBI National Academy Association (FBINAA) Conference, keynoted at police spouse conferences throughout the country, and at trained various police departments. While much of her work focuses on first responders, Cyndi’s stories of embracing and wrestling with living her own bold and authentic life have resulted in her being a sought-after speaker for other mental health professionals. Her message of humanizing struggle, compassion, courage, and resilience has resulted in her speaking nationally and even keynoting at the 2020 Texas Counseling Association Professional Growth Conference. That same year, the American Counseling Association awarded her the Samuel Gladding Unsung Heroes Award for her work with first responders and contribution to the field of counseling.</p><p>In this podcast episode, we talk about Law Enforcement Mental Health</p><p>We reached out to our friend, Cyndi Doyle to explore a population of folks who we typically don’t think about as our patients: Law Enforcement Officers (LEO).</p><p>What should modern therapists know about the mental health of Law Enforcement Officers and their families?</p><ul>
<li>Different dynamics than typical couples</li>
<li>The definition of cynicism</li>
<li>How training impacts the mental health of officers</li>
<li>Misinterpretation of control versus abuse</li>
<li>Over diagnosis of trauma</li>
</ul><p>The negative impacts on police officers of the heightened scrutiny and criticism</p><ul>
<li>Hypervigilance and the impact of cameras on police offers performing their jobs</li>
<li>The lack of support from the community (or the legislators or even law enforcement leadership) for officers</li>
<li>Lack of compassion satisfaction, considering quitting their job, PTSD</li>
<li>The impact on Law Enforcement Officer (LEO) families</li>
</ul><p>Exploration of the calls to defund the police and fund other resources</p><ul>
<li>Looking at the law enforcement response to defunding the police</li>
<li>Exploring community policing and how that could help decrease abuses</li>
<li>The cultural shifts and education happening at police departments</li>
<li>The potential for mental health resources being added to policing</li>
<li>When staffing is down, there is less time to recuperate and be prepared for work</li>
</ul><p>Mental Health Concerns that bring law enforcement officers and their families into therapy</p><ul>
<li>Stress, Anxiety, Depression, Addiction</li>
<li>Relationships, family and couple</li>
<li>Incident, critical incident, trauma</li>
<li>Desensitization to violent incidents, injuries, and death</li>
<li>The personalization in incidents that can cause more of a trauma response</li>
<li>The insufficient training to build resilience for law enforcement officers</li>
<li>The shifting culture that is now recognizing mental health as health, but the ongoing stigma for seeking support</li>
</ul><p>Cynicism, lack of empathy, and bias in Law Enforcement</p><ul>
<li>The mindset that narrows down to “everyone” behaves</li>
<li>Working to make officers more human, so they can see more good in the world</li>
<li>The importance of supporting the resilience and empathy within LEO (while recognizing that some of these things are not helpful “on the job”)</li>
</ul><p><a href="https://cyndidoyle.com/">Cyndi Doyle.com</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Medical Assistance in Death (MAiD) in Canada: Mental Illness and Assisted Suicide</title>
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      <description>Medical Assistance in Death (MAiD) in Canada: Mental Illness and Assisted Suicide
Curt and Katie chat about assisted suicide related to an upcoming expansion of the MAiD laws in Canada to include mental illness. We discuss what these laws seems to say as well as how they might impact patients, medical providers, and therapists. We explore the moral and ethical questions as well as what other countries have done to put in further safeguards to protect patients and doctors.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the expansion of Medical Assistance in Death laws in Canada
We have been watching the MAiD laws in Canada that are soon going to include assistance in death for folks with mental illness. We talk about the law and the concerns we have related to the safeguards (or lack of safeguards).
What are the updates coming to the Medical Assistance in Death laws in Canada?

With the approval of 2 medical professionals and a 24-month waiting period (for psychological illness), individuals can get medication or an injection from a medical provider to end their lives

Requirements for application include chronic, “grievous and irremediable” conditions

Information on requirements are here:  Final Report of the Expert Panel on MAiD and Mental Illness


The differences in laws in other countries that seem to have more safeguards in place

What are the moral and ethical questions facing medical and mental health providers?
“Do we have the right – the moral right – as therapists, mental health professionals of any sort of background or license, to tell clients that they must live or that it is okay for them to end their life?” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

What responsibilities do mental health providers have to their clients related to end of life?

Who will be negatively impacted versus who will be positively impacted?

Who would qualify and who would seek out assistance in dying?

“I'm not worried that someone that's a little depressed is going to decide they want to die by suicide… I think it's more that there are going to be folks [diagnosed with serious mental illness who are receiving insufficient mental health care] … who really don't feel like they have options (and maybe they don't) and they choose to die by suicide versus advocating for stronger treatment.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

What is mental illness? Is it only what is in the ICD or DSM?

What are the impacts of these laws on physicians?

Concerns raised by First Nations groups in Canada


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Final Report of the Expert Panel on MAiD and Mental Illness
 NY Times: Is Choosing Death Too Easy in Canada?
 Medical Assistance in Dying in Canada: Too Much, Too Fast?
 Canadian and Dutch doctors’ roles in assistance in dying
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Part 1:  Risk Factors for Suicide: What therapists should know when treating teens and adults
Part 2:  What Therapists Should Actually Do for Suicidal Clients: Assessment, safety planning, and least intrusive intervention
 What's new in the DSM 5-T-R? An interview with Dr. Michael B. First
 When Clients Die: An interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT
 Therapists Struggling with Darkness
 Suicidal Therapists: An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW
 Therapist Suicide
Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:
 The Fifty-Minute Hour
Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>Medical Assistance in Death (MAiD) in Canada: Mental Illness and Assisted Suicide
Curt and Katie chat about assisted suicide related to an upcoming expansion of the MAiD laws in Canada to include mental illness. We discuss what these laws seems to say as well as how they might impact patients, medical providers, and therapists. We explore the moral and ethical questions as well as what other countries have done to put in further safeguards to protect patients and doctors.  
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the expansion of Medical Assistance in Death laws in Canada
We have been watching the MAiD laws in Canada that are soon going to include assistance in death for folks with mental illness. We talk about the law and the concerns we have related to the safeguards (or lack of safeguards).
What are the updates coming to the Medical Assistance in Death laws in Canada?

With the approval of 2 medical professionals and a 24-month waiting period (for psychological illness), individuals can get medication or an injection from a medical provider to end their lives

Requirements for application include chronic, “grievous and irremediable” conditions

Information on requirements are here:  Final Report of the Expert Panel on MAiD and Mental Illness


The differences in laws in other countries that seem to have more safeguards in place

What are the moral and ethical questions facing medical and mental health providers?
“Do we have the right – the moral right – as therapists, mental health professionals of any sort of background or license, to tell clients that they must live or that it is okay for them to end their life?” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

What responsibilities do mental health providers have to their clients related to end of life?

Who will be negatively impacted versus who will be positively impacted?

Who would qualify and who would seek out assistance in dying?

“I'm not worried that someone that's a little depressed is going to decide they want to die by suicide… I think it's more that there are going to be folks [diagnosed with serious mental illness who are receiving insufficient mental health care] … who really don't feel like they have options (and maybe they don't) and they choose to die by suicide versus advocating for stronger treatment.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

What is mental illness? Is it only what is in the ICD or DSM?

What are the impacts of these laws on physicians?

Concerns raised by First Nations groups in Canada


Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Final Report of the Expert Panel on MAiD and Mental Illness
 NY Times: Is Choosing Death Too Easy in Canada?
 Medical Assistance in Dying in Canada: Too Much, Too Fast?
 Canadian and Dutch doctors’ roles in assistance in dying
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
Part 1:  Risk Factors for Suicide: What therapists should know when treating teens and adults
Part 2:  What Therapists Should Actually Do for Suicidal Clients: Assessment, safety planning, and least intrusive intervention
 What's new in the DSM 5-T-R? An interview with Dr. Michael B. First
 When Clients Die: An interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT
 Therapists Struggling with Darkness
 Suicidal Therapists: An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW
 Therapist Suicide
Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:
 The Fifty-Minute Hour
Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Medical Assistance in Death (MAiD) in Canada: Mental Illness and Assisted Suicide</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about assisted suicide related to an upcoming expansion of the MAiD laws in Canada to include mental illness. We discuss what these laws seems to say as well as how they might impact patients, medical providers, and therapists. We explore the moral and ethical questions as well as what other countries have done to put in further safeguards to protect patients and doctors.  </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about the expansion of Medical Assistance in Death laws in Canada</p><p>We have been watching the MAiD laws in Canada that are soon going to include assistance in death for folks with mental illness. We talk about the law and the concerns we have related to the safeguards (or lack of safeguards).</p><p>What are the updates coming to the Medical Assistance in Death laws in Canada?</p><ul>
<li>With the approval of 2 medical professionals and a 24-month waiting period (for psychological illness), individuals can get medication or an injection from a medical provider to end their lives</li>
<li>Requirements for application include chronic, “grievous and irremediable” conditions</li>
<li>Information on requirements are here: <a href="https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/corporate/about-health-canada/public-engagement/external-advisory-bodies/expert-panel-maid-mental-illness/final-report-expert-panel-maid-mental-illness.html"> Final Report of the Expert Panel on MAiD and Mental Illness</a>
</li>
<li>The differences in laws in other countries that seem to have more safeguards in place</li>
</ul><p>What are the moral and ethical questions facing medical and mental health providers?</p><p>“Do we have the right – the moral right – as therapists, mental health professionals of any sort of background or license, to tell clients that they must live or that it is okay for them to end their life?” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>What responsibilities do mental health providers have to their clients related to end of life?</li>
<li>Who will be negatively impacted versus who will be positively impacted?</li>
<li>Who would qualify and who would seek out assistance in dying?</li>
</ul><p>“I'm not worried that someone that's a little depressed is going to decide they want to die by suicide… I think it's more that there are going to be folks [diagnosed with serious mental illness who are receiving insufficient mental health care] … who really don't feel like they have options (and maybe they don't) and they choose to die by suicide versus advocating for stronger treatment.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>What is mental illness? Is it only what is in the ICD or DSM?</li>
<li>What are the impacts of these laws on physicians?</li>
<li>Concerns raised by First Nations groups in Canada</li>
</ul><p><br></p><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/corporate/about-health-canada/public-engagement/external-advisory-bodies/expert-panel-maid-mental-illness/final-report-expert-panel-maid-mental-illness.html"> Final Report of the Expert Panel on MAiD and Mental Illness</a></p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/18/world/canada/medically-assisted-death.html"> NY Times: Is Choosing Death Too Easy in Canada?</a></p><p><a href="https://flashnews11.com/health/medicine/medical-assistance-in-dying-in-canada-too-much-too-fast/amp/"> Medical Assistance in Dying in Canada: Too Much, Too Fast?</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6964437/"> Canadian and Dutch doctors’ roles in assistance in dying</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</p><p>Part 1: <a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/moderntherapistproblems/risk-factors-for-suicide-what-therapists-should-know-when-treating-teens-and-adults/"> Risk Factors for Suicide: What therapists should know when treating teens and adults</a></p><p>Part 2: <a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/what-therapists-should-actually-do-for-suicidal-clients-assessment-safety-planning-and-least-intrusive-intervention/"> What Therapists Should Actually Do for Suicidal Clients: Assessment, safety planning, and least intrusive intervention</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/whats-new-in-the-dsm-5-tr-an-interview-with-dr-michael-b-first/"> What's new in the DSM 5-T-R? An interview with Dr. Michael B. First</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/when-clients-die/"> When Clients Die: An interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapists-struggling-with-darkness/"> Therapists Struggling with Darkness</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/suicidal-therapists/"> Suicidal Therapists: An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapist-suicide/"> Therapist Suicide</a></p><p>Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultations-for-modern-therapists/"> The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Therapists Should Actually Do for Suicidal Clients: Assessment, safety planning, and least intrusive intervention</title>
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      <description>What Therapists Should Actually Do for Suicidal Clients: Assessment, safety planning, and least intrusive intervention
Curt and Katie chat about suicide assessment, safety planning, and how to keep clients out of the hospital. We reviewed the Integrated Motivational Volitional Model for Suicide, we talked about what therapists should be assessing for in every session, what strong assessment looks like (and suggested suicide assessment protocols), and why the least restrictive environment is so important when you are designing interventions and safety planning. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about suicide assessment, safety planning, and intervention
We continue our conversation on suicide, progressing from risk factors (from last week’s episode) to how to assess and safety plan with the least intrusive interventions at the earliest stages. 
Review of the Suicide Model: Integrated Motivational Volitional Model by O’Connor and Kirtley
 
Continued to review the IMV model (graphic in the show notes at mtsgpodcast.com)
What should therapists assess for in every session, related to suicide?
“When clinicians are burnt out, when we have caseloads that are too big, when we aren't taking care of ourselves, we tend to [think], “Okay, this client is at a six, they can live at a six for a while,” which is absolutely true. And if they can [live with this level of suicidality], and they have the good factors that allow them to live there – great. It's just how close are they to that 7, 8, 9?” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Moderating motivational factors, which move clients from passive to more active suicidality (or the reverse)

Looking at what is keeping someone from being at risk for suicide (protective factors)

The importance of knowing our clients well before they move into the volitional phase

Understanding the clinician factors and putting structure around assessment

Assessment for Suicide
“Assessment is intervention.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

SAMHSA’s GATE protocol

Gather information using a structured assessment tool (Columbia Scale, LRAMP)

Looking at intention, means, plan as well as risk and protective factors

Moving into a safety plan

The importance of recognizing the human during the assessment (versus focusing only on the protocol or your liability)

Seeking supervision or consultation – don’t do this alone

The importance of using the least restrictive intervention for suicide
“There is a rupture in the therapeutic relationship when you are sending your client or facilitating a hospitalization against their will. It can save their lives …but that may not always be the case.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

The idea of “responsible” action

The range of options for keeping a client safe

Having a conversation with the client on how to avoid attempting suicide

The potential impacts of hospitalization, including trauma

The danger of hospitalizing someone who does not need this level of intervention

Additional intervention between sessions

The practicalities to set up your schedule and your practice to support your clients and your self

Additional risk factors (transition phases between providers)

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      <itunes:subtitle>What Therapists Should Actually Do for Suicidal Clients: Assessment, safety planning, and least intrusive intervention Curt and Katie chat about suicide assessment, safety planning, and how to keep clients out of the hospital. We reviewed the...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Therapists Should Actually Do for Suicidal Clients: Assessment, safety planning, and least intrusive intervention
Curt and Katie chat about suicide assessment, safety planning, and how to keep clients out of the hospital. We reviewed the Integrated Motivational Volitional Model for Suicide, we talked about what therapists should be assessing for in every session, what strong assessment looks like (and suggested suicide assessment protocols), and why the least restrictive environment is so important when you are designing interventions and safety planning. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about suicide assessment, safety planning, and intervention
We continue our conversation on suicide, progressing from risk factors (from last week’s episode) to how to assess and safety plan with the least intrusive interventions at the earliest stages. 
Review of the Suicide Model: Integrated Motivational Volitional Model by O’Connor and Kirtley
 
Continued to review the IMV model (graphic in the show notes at mtsgpodcast.com)
What should therapists assess for in every session, related to suicide?
“When clinicians are burnt out, when we have caseloads that are too big, when we aren't taking care of ourselves, we tend to [think], “Okay, this client is at a six, they can live at a six for a while,” which is absolutely true. And if they can [live with this level of suicidality], and they have the good factors that allow them to live there – great. It's just how close are they to that 7, 8, 9?” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Moderating motivational factors, which move clients from passive to more active suicidality (or the reverse)

Looking at what is keeping someone from being at risk for suicide (protective factors)

The importance of knowing our clients well before they move into the volitional phase

Understanding the clinician factors and putting structure around assessment

Assessment for Suicide
“Assessment is intervention.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

SAMHSA’s GATE protocol

Gather information using a structured assessment tool (Columbia Scale, LRAMP)

Looking at intention, means, plan as well as risk and protective factors

Moving into a safety plan

The importance of recognizing the human during the assessment (versus focusing only on the protocol or your liability)

Seeking supervision or consultation – don’t do this alone

The importance of using the least restrictive intervention for suicide
“There is a rupture in the therapeutic relationship when you are sending your client or facilitating a hospitalization against their will. It can save their lives …but that may not always be the case.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

The idea of “responsible” action

The range of options for keeping a client safe

Having a conversation with the client on how to avoid attempting suicide

The potential impacts of hospitalization, including trauma

The danger of hospitalizing someone who does not need this level of intervention

Additional intervention between sessions

The practicalities to set up your schedule and your practice to support your clients and your self

Additional risk factors (transition phases between providers)

 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What Therapists Should Actually Do for Suicidal Clients: Assessment, safety planning, and least intrusive intervention</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about suicide assessment, safety planning, and how to keep clients out of the hospital. We reviewed the Integrated Motivational Volitional Model for Suicide, we talked about what therapists should be assessing for in every session, what strong assessment looks like (and suggested suicide assessment protocols), and why the least restrictive environment is so important when you are designing interventions and safety planning. This is a <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">continuing education podcourse</a>.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about suicide assessment, safety planning, and intervention</p><p>We continue our conversation on suicide, progressing from risk factors (from last week’s episode) to how to assess and safety plan with the least intrusive interventions at the earliest stages. </p><p>Review of the Suicide Model: Integrated Motivational Volitional Model by O’Connor and Kirtley</p><p> </p><ul><li>Continued to review the IMV model (graphic in the show notes at mtsgpodcast.com)</li></ul><p>What should therapists assess for in every session, related to suicide?</p><p>“When clinicians are burnt out, when we have caseloads that are too big, when we aren't taking care of ourselves, we tend to [think], “Okay, this client is at a six, they can live at a six for a while,” which is absolutely true. And if they can [live with this level of suicidality], and they have the good factors that allow them to live there – great. It's just how close are they to that 7, 8, 9?” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Moderating motivational factors, which move clients from passive to more active suicidality (or the reverse)</li>
<li>Looking at what is keeping someone from being at risk for suicide (protective factors)</li>
<li>The importance of knowing our clients well before they move into the volitional phase</li>
<li>Understanding the clinician factors and putting structure around assessment</li>
</ul><p>Assessment for Suicide</p><p>“Assessment is intervention.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>SAMHSA’s GATE protocol</li>
<li>Gather information using a structured assessment tool (Columbia Scale, LRAMP)</li>
<li>Looking at intention, means, plan as well as risk and protective factors</li>
<li>Moving into a safety plan</li>
<li>The importance of recognizing the human during the assessment (versus focusing only on the protocol or your liability)</li>
<li>Seeking supervision or consultation – don’t do this alone</li>
</ul><p>The importance of using the least restrictive intervention for suicide</p><p>“There is a rupture in the therapeutic relationship when you are sending your client or facilitating a hospitalization against their will. It can save their lives …but that may not always be the case.” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>The idea of “responsible” action</li>
<li>The range of options for keeping a client safe</li>
<li>Having a conversation with the client on how to avoid attempting suicide</li>
<li>The potential impacts of hospitalization, including trauma</li>
<li>The danger of hospitalizing someone who does not need this level of intervention</li>
<li>Additional intervention between sessions</li>
<li>The practicalities to set up your schedule and your practice to support your clients and your self</li>
<li>Additional risk factors (transition phases between providers)</li>
</ul><p> </p>]]>
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      <description>Risk Factors for Suicide: What therapists should know when treating teens and adults
Curt and Katie chat about suicide risk factors. Suicide rates have been increasing across the nation and there is an increasing need for the mental health workforce to be prepared to assess and intervene with clients of all ages. We take an in-depth look at the risk and protective factors associated with suicidal ideology and behaviors in both teens and adults. We also lay the beginning foundations of a suicide model to help clinicians better understand and intervene with clients exhibiting suicidal thoughts. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore what makes someone more likely to attempt suicide
We’ve talked frequently about suicide, but thought it would be important, especially during Suicide Prevention Awareness Month, to go more deeply into the risk factors that make someone more likely to attempt and complete suicide. 
What are the highest risk factors for suicide?
“Anxiety Sensitivity… the fear of the feelings of being anxious… is even more so correlated with suicidal ideation and suicide attempts than depression is.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Defining acute, active suicidality (versus passive or chronic suicidality or non-suicidal self-Injury)

Going beyond the list of risk factors to how big of a risk each factor is for attempting or completing suicide

Exploring how impactful a previous attempt is on whether someone is likely to attempt of complete suicide

The importance of getting a complete history of suicidality and suicide attempts at intake

The impact of family members who have attempted or died by suicide

Alcohol and other substance use and abuse as an additive risk factor

Cooccurring mental disorders (eating disorders, psychosis and serious mental illness, depression, anxiety and anxiety sensitivity, personality disorders)

Child abuse history, especially folks with a history of sexual abuse history

Life transitions, especially unplanned and sudden life transitions

Owning a firearm makes you 50 times more likely to die by suicide

Racial differences in who is more likely to attempt or complete suicide

Living at a high elevation

What are additional risk factors for suicide specific to teens?

Early onset of mental illness

Environmental factors

Exposure to other suicides (social media, contagion)

Not being able to identify other options

Seeking control over their lives and lacking impulse control leading to suicide attempts

The importance of communication and the potential for a lack of communication

Bullying and lack of social support, without a way to escape due to social media and cell phones

What are protective factors when assessing for suicidality?
“Just because protective factors are present doesn't mean that they balance out risk factors [for suicide].”– Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Reasons for living, responsibility to others

Spirituality or attending a place of worship that teaches against suicide

Where you live based on cultural or societal factors

Having a children or child-rearing responsibilities, intact marriage

Strong social support, employment

Relationship with a therapist

 
Suicide Model: Integrated Motivational Volitional Model by O’Connor and Kirtley</description>
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      <itunes:title>Risk Factors for Suicide: What therapists should know when treating teens and adults</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Risk Factors for Suicide: What therapists should know when treating teens and adults Curt and Katie chat about suicide risk factors.  Suicide rates have been increasing across the nation and there is an increasing need for the mental health...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Risk Factors for Suicide: What therapists should know when treating teens and adults
Curt and Katie chat about suicide risk factors. Suicide rates have been increasing across the nation and there is an increasing need for the mental health workforce to be prepared to assess and intervene with clients of all ages. We take an in-depth look at the risk and protective factors associated with suicidal ideology and behaviors in both teens and adults. We also lay the beginning foundations of a suicide model to help clinicians better understand and intervene with clients exhibiting suicidal thoughts. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore what makes someone more likely to attempt suicide
We’ve talked frequently about suicide, but thought it would be important, especially during Suicide Prevention Awareness Month, to go more deeply into the risk factors that make someone more likely to attempt and complete suicide. 
What are the highest risk factors for suicide?
“Anxiety Sensitivity… the fear of the feelings of being anxious… is even more so correlated with suicidal ideation and suicide attempts than depression is.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Defining acute, active suicidality (versus passive or chronic suicidality or non-suicidal self-Injury)

Going beyond the list of risk factors to how big of a risk each factor is for attempting or completing suicide

Exploring how impactful a previous attempt is on whether someone is likely to attempt of complete suicide

The importance of getting a complete history of suicidality and suicide attempts at intake

The impact of family members who have attempted or died by suicide

Alcohol and other substance use and abuse as an additive risk factor

Cooccurring mental disorders (eating disorders, psychosis and serious mental illness, depression, anxiety and anxiety sensitivity, personality disorders)

Child abuse history, especially folks with a history of sexual abuse history

Life transitions, especially unplanned and sudden life transitions

Owning a firearm makes you 50 times more likely to die by suicide

Racial differences in who is more likely to attempt or complete suicide

Living at a high elevation

What are additional risk factors for suicide specific to teens?

Early onset of mental illness

Environmental factors

Exposure to other suicides (social media, contagion)

Not being able to identify other options

Seeking control over their lives and lacking impulse control leading to suicide attempts

The importance of communication and the potential for a lack of communication

Bullying and lack of social support, without a way to escape due to social media and cell phones

What are protective factors when assessing for suicidality?
“Just because protective factors are present doesn't mean that they balance out risk factors [for suicide].”– Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Reasons for living, responsibility to others

Spirituality or attending a place of worship that teaches against suicide

Where you live based on cultural or societal factors

Having a children or child-rearing responsibilities, intact marriage

Strong social support, employment

Relationship with a therapist

 
Suicide Model: Integrated Motivational Volitional Model by O’Connor and Kirtley</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Risk Factors for Suicide: What therapists should know when treating teens and adults</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about suicide risk factors. Suicide rates have been increasing across the nation and there is an increasing need for the mental health workforce to be prepared to assess and intervene with clients of all ages. We take an in-depth look at the risk and protective factors associated with suicidal ideology and behaviors in both teens and adults. We also lay the beginning foundations of a suicide model to help clinicians better understand and intervene with clients exhibiting suicidal thoughts. This is a <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">continuing education podcourse</a>.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we explore what makes someone more likely to attempt suicide</p><p>We’ve talked frequently about suicide, but thought it would be important, especially during Suicide Prevention Awareness Month, to go more deeply into the risk factors that make someone more likely to attempt and complete suicide. </p><p>What are the highest risk factors for suicide?</p><p>“Anxiety Sensitivity… the fear of the feelings of being anxious… is even more so correlated with suicidal ideation and suicide attempts than depression is.” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Defining acute, active suicidality (versus passive or chronic suicidality or non-suicidal self-Injury)</li>
<li>Going beyond the list of risk factors to how big of a risk each factor is for attempting or completing suicide</li>
<li>Exploring how impactful a previous attempt is on whether someone is likely to attempt of complete suicide</li>
<li>The importance of getting a complete history of suicidality and suicide attempts at intake</li>
<li>The impact of family members who have attempted or died by suicide</li>
<li>Alcohol and other substance use and abuse as an additive risk factor</li>
<li>Cooccurring mental disorders (eating disorders, psychosis and serious mental illness, depression, anxiety and anxiety sensitivity, personality disorders)</li>
<li>Child abuse history, especially folks with a history of sexual abuse history</li>
<li>Life transitions, especially unplanned and sudden life transitions</li>
<li>Owning a firearm makes you 50 times more likely to die by suicide</li>
<li>Racial differences in who is more likely to attempt or complete suicide</li>
<li>Living at a high elevation</li>
</ul><p>What are additional risk factors for suicide specific to teens?</p><ul>
<li>Early onset of mental illness</li>
<li>Environmental factors</li>
<li>Exposure to other suicides (social media, contagion)</li>
<li>Not being able to identify other options</li>
<li>Seeking control over their lives and lacking impulse control leading to suicide attempts</li>
<li>The importance of communication and the potential for a lack of communication</li>
<li>Bullying and lack of social support, without a way to escape due to social media and cell phones</li>
</ul><p>What are protective factors when assessing for suicidality?</p><p>“Just because protective factors are present doesn't mean that they balance out risk factors [for suicide].”– Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Reasons for living, responsibility to others</li>
<li>Spirituality or attending a place of worship that teaches against suicide</li>
<li>Where you live based on cultural or societal factors</li>
<li>Having a children or child-rearing responsibilities, intact marriage</li>
<li>Strong social support, employment</li>
<li>Relationship with a therapist</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Suicide Model: Integrated Motivational Volitional Model by O’Connor and Kirtley</p>]]>
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      <title>How Therapists Can Manage a Sedentary Job: An interview with Celina Caovan, DPT</title>
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Curt and Katie interview Celina Caovan about physical self-care for therapists. We talk about how to mitigate the impacts of a sedentary job as well as the benefits of physical therapy and consistent physical activity. We also look into what physical therapy is, how clients can advocate for it, and how therapists might collaborate to support the physical and mental health of their patients.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Celina Caovan, DPT
Celina Caovan received both her undergraduate degree and Doctorate of Physical Therapy degree from the University of Southern California. She has been practicing in an outpatient orthopedic setting in the South Bay in California for the last two years and is a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist.
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can take care of their bodies while working in a sedentary job
Many therapist friends of ours have described low back pain and challenges in maintaining physical health when much of the work we do is while sitting.
What should therapists know about physical activity and physical therapy?
“Physical therapists are trained movement experts… we can diagnose, we can treat using hands on skills, patient education, and then we prescribe individual exercise for a bunch of different injuries, the ultimate goal being to improve the way someone moves and emphasize injury prevention. And the cool thing about physical therapy: it can be an alternative to pain medication, in a society where they prescribe a lot of a lot of pain medication, and then surgery as well.” – Celina Caovan, DPT

There are a number of subspecialties in physical therapy to support all different elements of improving movement

The importance of moving outside of a sedentary job

US Department of Health guidelines on activity levels

What can therapists do to take care of themselves during the work week?

Getting out of the chair, some chair exercises

Stretching and gentle movements during the breaks between sessions

No drastic differences in activity from the work week to the weekend (i.e., avoid weekend warrior behavior, especially when extremely sedentary during the week_

Slowly increase activity and gradually increase cardio or resistance training

Stretching (static and dynamic), warming up, and cooling down

How can therapists think about physical therapy for their clients?
“Someone's physical and mental health – that’s interconnected… that mind body connection. And I think this would be a really great opportunity for us to create this interdisciplinary relationship where we can approach it from a physical and mental standpoint.” – Celina Caovan, DPT

Referrals and direct access to physical therapy

Psychoeducation and support for advocacy to obtain physical therapy

Chiropractors versus physical therapists

How physical and mental health therapists can collaborate to support patients

 Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!  Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans from the US Department of Health and Human Services
Beach Cities Orthopedics and Sports Medicine
Reach out to Celina Caovan, DPT: celinaDPT at gmail.com
Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:
 The Fifty-Minute Hour
Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>How Therapists Can Manage a Sedentary Job: An interview with Celina Caovan, DPT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>How Therapists Can Manage a Sedentary Job: An interview with Celina Caovan, DPT Curt and Katie interview Celina Caovan about physical self-care for therapists. We talk about how to mitigate the impacts of a sedentary job as well as the benefits of...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Therapists Can Manage a Sedentary Job: An interview with Celina Caovan, DPT
Curt and Katie interview Celina Caovan about physical self-care for therapists. We talk about how to mitigate the impacts of a sedentary job as well as the benefits of physical therapy and consistent physical activity. We also look into what physical therapy is, how clients can advocate for it, and how therapists might collaborate to support the physical and mental health of their patients.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Celina Caovan, DPT
Celina Caovan received both her undergraduate degree and Doctorate of Physical Therapy degree from the University of Southern California. She has been practicing in an outpatient orthopedic setting in the South Bay in California for the last two years and is a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist.
In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can take care of their bodies while working in a sedentary job
Many therapist friends of ours have described low back pain and challenges in maintaining physical health when much of the work we do is while sitting.
What should therapists know about physical activity and physical therapy?
“Physical therapists are trained movement experts… we can diagnose, we can treat using hands on skills, patient education, and then we prescribe individual exercise for a bunch of different injuries, the ultimate goal being to improve the way someone moves and emphasize injury prevention. And the cool thing about physical therapy: it can be an alternative to pain medication, in a society where they prescribe a lot of a lot of pain medication, and then surgery as well.” – Celina Caovan, DPT

There are a number of subspecialties in physical therapy to support all different elements of improving movement

The importance of moving outside of a sedentary job

US Department of Health guidelines on activity levels

What can therapists do to take care of themselves during the work week?

Getting out of the chair, some chair exercises

Stretching and gentle movements during the breaks between sessions

No drastic differences in activity from the work week to the weekend (i.e., avoid weekend warrior behavior, especially when extremely sedentary during the week_

Slowly increase activity and gradually increase cardio or resistance training

Stretching (static and dynamic), warming up, and cooling down

How can therapists think about physical therapy for their clients?
“Someone's physical and mental health – that’s interconnected… that mind body connection. And I think this would be a really great opportunity for us to create this interdisciplinary relationship where we can approach it from a physical and mental standpoint.” – Celina Caovan, DPT

Referrals and direct access to physical therapy

Psychoeducation and support for advocacy to obtain physical therapy

Chiropractors versus physical therapists

How physical and mental health therapists can collaborate to support patients

 Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!  Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans from the US Department of Health and Human Services
Beach Cities Orthopedics and Sports Medicine
Reach out to Celina Caovan, DPT: celinaDPT at gmail.com
Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:
 The Fifty-Minute Hour
Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano https://groomsymusic.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>How Therapists Can Manage a Sedentary Job: An interview with Celina Caovan, DPT</p><p>Curt and Katie interview Celina Caovan about physical self-care for therapists. We talk about how to mitigate the impacts of a sedentary job as well as the benefits of physical therapy and consistent physical activity. We also look into what physical therapy is, how clients can advocate for it, and how therapists might collaborate to support the physical and mental health of their patients.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>An Interview with Celina Caovan, DPT</p><p>Celina Caovan received both her undergraduate degree and Doctorate of Physical Therapy degree from the University of Southern California. She has been practicing in an outpatient orthopedic setting in the South Bay in California for the last two years and is a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist.</p><p>In this podcast episode, we talk about how therapists can take care of their bodies while working in a sedentary job</p><p>Many therapist friends of ours have described low back pain and challenges in maintaining physical health when much of the work we do is while sitting.</p><p>What should therapists know about physical activity and physical therapy?</p><p>“Physical therapists are trained movement experts… we can diagnose, we can treat using hands on skills, patient education, and then we prescribe individual exercise for a bunch of different injuries, the ultimate goal being to improve the way someone moves and emphasize injury prevention. And the cool thing about physical therapy: it can be an alternative to pain medication, in a society where they prescribe a lot of a lot of pain medication, and then surgery as well.” – Celina Caovan, DPT</p><ul>
<li>There are a number of subspecialties in physical therapy to support all different elements of improving movement</li>
<li>The importance of moving outside of a sedentary job</li>
<li>US Department of Health guidelines on activity levels</li>
</ul><p>What can therapists do to take care of themselves during the work week?</p><ul>
<li>Getting out of the chair, some chair exercises</li>
<li>Stretching and gentle movements during the breaks between sessions</li>
<li>No drastic differences in activity from the work week to the weekend (i.e., avoid weekend warrior behavior, especially when extremely sedentary during the week_</li>
<li>Slowly increase activity and gradually increase cardio or resistance training</li>
<li>Stretching (static and dynamic), warming up, and cooling down</li>
</ul><p>How can therapists think about physical therapy for their clients?</p><p>“Someone's physical and mental health – that’s interconnected… that mind body connection. And I think this would be a really great opportunity for us to create this interdisciplinary relationship where we can approach it from a physical and mental standpoint.” – Celina Caovan, DPT</p><ul>
<li>Referrals and direct access to physical therapy</li>
<li>Psychoeducation and support for advocacy to obtain physical therapy</li>
<li>Chiropractors versus physical therapists</li>
<li>How physical and mental health therapists can collaborate to support patients</li>
</ul><p> Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! <a href="https://health.gov/sites/default/files/2019-09/Physical_Activity_Guidelines_2nd_edition.pdf"> Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans from the US Department of Health and Human Services</a></p><p><a href="https://www.beachcitiesortho.com/therapy">Beach Cities Orthopedics and Sports Medicine</a></p><p>Reach out to Celina Caovan, DPT: celinaDPT <em>at</em> gmail.com</p><p>Consultation services with Curt Widhalm or Katie Vernoy:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultations-for-modern-therapists/"> The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Connect with the Modern Therapist Community:</p><p>Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</p><p>Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Creative Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="https://groomsymusic.com/">https://groomsymusic.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Therapists on the Hostage Negotiation Team and Supporting Police Work: An interview with Dr. Andy Young</title>
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      <description>Therapists on the Hostage Negotiation Team and Supporting Police Work: An interview with Dr. Andy Young
Curt and Katie interview Andy Young about hostage (crisis) negotiation and his work with SWAT and crisis negotiation in Lubbock, TX. Content warning: discussion of violence, suicide, and homicide. We talk about what therapists can do within police departments, the interplay between mental health and law enforcement, what that work looks like – especially when involved in crisis negotiation, and skills therapists need when working in these settings. We also look at trauma response and how it is handled when things go south.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Dr. Andy Young
Dr. Andy Young has been a Professor of Psychology and Counseling at Lubbock Christian University since 1996 and a negotiator and psychological consultant with the Lubbock Police Department’s SWAT team since 2000. He also heads LPD’s Victim Services Unit and is the director of the department’s Critical Incident Stress Management Team. He has been on the negotiating team at the Lubbock County Sheriff’s Office since 2008 and is on the team at the Texas Department of Public Safety (Texas Rangers, Special Operations, Region 5). He is the author of, “Fight or Flight: Negotiating Crisis on the Frontline” and “When Every Word Counts: An Insider’s View of Crisis Negotiations.” He was recently added as a third author for the 6th Edition of “Crisis Negotiations: Managing Critical Incidents and Hostage Situations in Law Enforcement and Corrections”.
In this podcast episode, we talk about the role therapists can play in crisis negotiation
There have been many calls to defund the police and create roles for mental health professionals in law enforcement. Dr. Andy Young has already been doing this for 20 years. We talked with him about what that experience looks like.
What can therapists do for law enforcement?

Crisis counseling

Hostage or Crisis Negotiation support (advising on the negotiation)

Psychiatric consultation

Predicting violence or suicide, assessing subjects’ mental health

What is the interplay between mental health and law enforcement?

Police officers get 40 hours of active listening and mental health

Officers started out a bit stand-offish, reported increased mental load due to needing to protect mental health professionals at the scene

Finding value in taking mental health out of scope of law enforcement

There is a huge importance in developing relationship with the officers

Specialized training needed that can support integrating mental health providers into law enforcement teams

What does work look like for therapists in law enforcement and crisis negotiation?

Coaching on communication

Assessing the situation and the subject

Strategizing interventions to de-escalate the situation

Provide context and reassurance to law enforcement professionals

Hostage Negotiation calls are typically once to twice a month (and not every month).

There are successful outcomes 97% of the time

How do these law enforcement and mental health providers handle things when they go south?

Crisis support

Critical Incident Stress Management

Mental health providers who are accepted within the law enforcement culture

The political, investigative and personal elements of a lethal force incident

Processing and debriefing within the team

What skills should therapists have to work with law enforcement and hostage negotiation?

Pragmatic and understanding the situation you’re in

Practical, knowing your own limits

Ability to manage emotional situations calmly

Navigating the extreme stakes out in the streets

Understanding law enforcement

The benefit of having a mental health provider on a hostage negotiation team

Training the team on mental health concerns

Improving “batting average” on successful outcomes

The importance of a well-trained team

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</description>
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      <itunes:summary>Therapists on the Hostage Negotiation Team and Supporting Police Work: An interview with Dr. Andy Young
Curt and Katie interview Andy Young about hostage (crisis) negotiation and his work with SWAT and crisis negotiation in Lubbock, TX. Content warning: discussion of violence, suicide, and homicide. We talk about what therapists can do within police departments, the interplay between mental health and law enforcement, what that work looks like – especially when involved in crisis negotiation, and skills therapists need when working in these settings. We also look at trauma response and how it is handled when things go south.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Dr. Andy Young
Dr. Andy Young has been a Professor of Psychology and Counseling at Lubbock Christian University since 1996 and a negotiator and psychological consultant with the Lubbock Police Department’s SWAT team since 2000. He also heads LPD’s Victim Services Unit and is the director of the department’s Critical Incident Stress Management Team. He has been on the negotiating team at the Lubbock County Sheriff’s Office since 2008 and is on the team at the Texas Department of Public Safety (Texas Rangers, Special Operations, Region 5). He is the author of, “Fight or Flight: Negotiating Crisis on the Frontline” and “When Every Word Counts: An Insider’s View of Crisis Negotiations.” He was recently added as a third author for the 6th Edition of “Crisis Negotiations: Managing Critical Incidents and Hostage Situations in Law Enforcement and Corrections”.
In this podcast episode, we talk about the role therapists can play in crisis negotiation
There have been many calls to defund the police and create roles for mental health professionals in law enforcement. Dr. Andy Young has already been doing this for 20 years. We talked with him about what that experience looks like.
What can therapists do for law enforcement?

Crisis counseling

Hostage or Crisis Negotiation support (advising on the negotiation)

Psychiatric consultation

Predicting violence or suicide, assessing subjects’ mental health

What is the interplay between mental health and law enforcement?

Police officers get 40 hours of active listening and mental health

Officers started out a bit stand-offish, reported increased mental load due to needing to protect mental health professionals at the scene

Finding value in taking mental health out of scope of law enforcement

There is a huge importance in developing relationship with the officers

Specialized training needed that can support integrating mental health providers into law enforcement teams

What does work look like for therapists in law enforcement and crisis negotiation?

Coaching on communication

Assessing the situation and the subject

Strategizing interventions to de-escalate the situation

Provide context and reassurance to law enforcement professionals

Hostage Negotiation calls are typically once to twice a month (and not every month).

There are successful outcomes 97% of the time

How do these law enforcement and mental health providers handle things when they go south?

Crisis support

Critical Incident Stress Management

Mental health providers who are accepted within the law enforcement culture

The political, investigative and personal elements of a lethal force incident

Processing and debriefing within the team

What skills should therapists have to work with law enforcement and hostage negotiation?

Pragmatic and understanding the situation you’re in

Practical, knowing your own limits

Ability to manage emotional situations calmly

Navigating the extreme stakes out in the streets

Understanding law enforcement

The benefit of having a mental health provider on a hostage negotiation team

Training the team on mental health concerns

Improving “batting average” on successful outcomes

The importance of a well-trained team

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</itunes:summary>
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<li>Crisis counseling</li>
<li>Hostage or Crisis Negotiation support (advising on the negotiation)</li>
<li>Psychiatric consultation</li>
<li>Predicting violence or suicide, assessing subjects’ mental health</li>
</ul><p>What is the interplay between mental health and law enforcement?</p><ul>
<li>Police officers get 40 hours of active listening and mental health</li>
<li>Officers started out a bit stand-offish, reported increased mental load due to needing to protect mental health professionals at the scene</li>
<li>Finding value in taking mental health out of scope of law enforcement</li>
<li>There is a huge importance in developing relationship with the officers</li>
<li>Specialized training needed that can support integrating mental health providers into law enforcement teams</li>
</ul><p>What does work look like for therapists in law enforcement and crisis negotiation?</p><ul>
<li>Coaching on communication</li>
<li>Assessing the situation and the subject</li>
<li>Strategizing interventions to de-escalate the situation</li>
<li>Provide context and reassurance to law enforcement professionals</li>
<li>Hostage Negotiation calls are typically once to twice a month (and not every month).</li>
<li>There are successful outcomes 97% of the time</li>
</ul><p>How do these law enforcement and mental health providers handle things when they go south?</p><ul>
<li>Crisis support</li>
<li>Critical Incident Stress Management</li>
<li>Mental health providers who are accepted within the law enforcement culture</li>
<li>The political, investigative and personal elements of a lethal force incident</li>
<li>Processing and debriefing within the team</li>
</ul><p>What skills should therapists have to work with law enforcement and hostage negotiation?</p><ul>
<li>Pragmatic and understanding the situation you’re in</li>
<li>Practical, knowing your own limits</li>
<li>Ability to manage emotional situations calmly</li>
<li>Navigating the extreme stakes out in the streets</li>
<li>Understanding law enforcement</li>
</ul><p>The benefit of having a mental health provider on a hostage negotiation team</p><ul>
<li>Training the team on mental health concerns</li>
<li>Improving “batting average” on successful outcomes</li>
<li>The importance of a well-trained team</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p>]]>
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      <title>Why Therapists Shouldn’t Be Taught Business in Grad School</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/why-therapists-shouldnt-be-taught-business-in-grad-school</link>
      <description>Why Therapists Shouldn’t Be Taught Business in Grad School
Curt and Katie debate whether graduate school programs for therapists should include business education. We look at the pros and cons for including business education for students, specifically identifying a mismatched developmental level, bloated curriculums, and underutilized career resources. We also look at the responsibility graduate schools have to their students to be employable or to be able to create a sustainable business. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about whether clinical grad programs should include business education
We have seen marketing that highlights that business isn’t taught in grad school (and have done a lot of it ourselves). We discuss whether it actually should be included.
What is already included in grad school for therapists?

A large number of clinical courses required for graduation

Career centers and other business resources may be available, but not used

What career or business resources should therapists get through graduate school?

Career centers with up-to-date relevant employment resources

Potentially an optional class or workshop for how to run a business

Why shouldn’t business education be added to clinical programs?
“The timing of it just isn't right. Like, yeah, these are ideas that can be introduced, but the practicalities of it, in my experience, just aren't developmentally where a lot of grad students are… I don't think that [teaching someone to run a business] at a developmental time when people aren't capable for it or aren't ready for it – or legally not allowed to put those things in place – it just ends up being so far off that it's not a practical sort of training thing.” – Curt Widhalm

Accreditation bodies don’t access for employability, so programs won’t focus their attention

The increasing number of credits required to become a therapist

Developmentally inappropriate timing for what therapists are able to do when they graduate

What would business education look like if it were included in graduate programs?
“I'm not ready to let the grad schools off the hook for their responsibility to students. I feel like they are responsible to students to adequately prepare them for the job.” – Katie Vernoy

Potentially lackluster participation due to overwhelm

The importance of introducing what clinicians will actually face

Seminar versus a full course

Orientation to job options and business basics

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Saving Psychotherapy by Dr. Ben Caldwell</description>
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      <itunes:title>Why Therapists Shouldn’t Be Taught Business in Grad School</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Why Therapists Shouldn’t Be Taught Business in Grad School Curt and Katie debate whether graduate school programs for therapists should include business education. We look at the pros and cons for including business education for students,...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why Therapists Shouldn’t Be Taught Business in Grad School
Curt and Katie debate whether graduate school programs for therapists should include business education. We look at the pros and cons for including business education for students, specifically identifying a mismatched developmental level, bloated curriculums, and underutilized career resources. We also look at the responsibility graduate schools have to their students to be employable or to be able to create a sustainable business. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about whether clinical grad programs should include business education
We have seen marketing that highlights that business isn’t taught in grad school (and have done a lot of it ourselves). We discuss whether it actually should be included.
What is already included in grad school for therapists?

A large number of clinical courses required for graduation

Career centers and other business resources may be available, but not used

What career or business resources should therapists get through graduate school?

Career centers with up-to-date relevant employment resources

Potentially an optional class or workshop for how to run a business

Why shouldn’t business education be added to clinical programs?
“The timing of it just isn't right. Like, yeah, these are ideas that can be introduced, but the practicalities of it, in my experience, just aren't developmentally where a lot of grad students are… I don't think that [teaching someone to run a business] at a developmental time when people aren't capable for it or aren't ready for it – or legally not allowed to put those things in place – it just ends up being so far off that it's not a practical sort of training thing.” – Curt Widhalm

Accreditation bodies don’t access for employability, so programs won’t focus their attention

The increasing number of credits required to become a therapist

Developmentally inappropriate timing for what therapists are able to do when they graduate

What would business education look like if it were included in graduate programs?
“I'm not ready to let the grad schools off the hook for their responsibility to students. I feel like they are responsible to students to adequately prepare them for the job.” – Katie Vernoy

Potentially lackluster participation due to overwhelm

The importance of introducing what clinicians will actually face

Seminar versus a full course

Orientation to job options and business basics

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Saving Psychotherapy by Dr. Ben Caldwell</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Why Therapists Shouldn’t Be Taught Business in Grad School</p><p>Curt and Katie debate whether graduate school programs for therapists should include business education. We look at the pros and cons for including business education for students, specifically identifying a mismatched developmental level, bloated curriculums, and underutilized career resources. We also look at the responsibility graduate schools have to their students to be employable or to be able to create a sustainable business. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about whether clinical grad programs should include business education</p><p>We have seen marketing that highlights that business isn’t taught in grad school (and have done a lot of it ourselves). We discuss whether it actually should be included.</p><p>What is already included in grad school for therapists?</p><ul>
<li>A large number of clinical courses required for graduation</li>
<li>Career centers and other business resources may be available, but not used</li>
</ul><p>What career or business resources should therapists get through graduate school?</p><ul>
<li>Career centers with up-to-date relevant employment resources</li>
<li>Potentially an optional class or workshop for how to run a business</li>
</ul><p>Why shouldn’t business education be added to clinical programs?</p><p>“The timing of it just isn't right. Like, yeah, these are ideas that can be introduced, but the practicalities of it, in my experience, just aren't developmentally where a lot of grad students are… I don't think that [teaching someone to run a business] at a developmental time when people aren't capable for it or aren't ready for it – or legally not allowed to put those things in place – it just ends up being so far off that it's not a practical sort of training thing.” – Curt Widhalm</p><ul>
<li>Accreditation bodies don’t access for employability, so programs won’t focus their attention</li>
<li>The increasing number of credits required to become a therapist</li>
<li>Developmentally inappropriate timing for what therapists are able to do when they graduate</li>
</ul><p>What would business education look like if it were included in graduate programs?</p><p>“I'm not ready to let the grad schools off the hook for their responsibility to students. I feel like they are responsible to students to adequately prepare them for the job.” – Katie Vernoy</p><ul>
<li>Potentially lackluster participation due to overwhelm</li>
<li>The importance of introducing what clinicians will actually face</li>
<li>Seminar versus a full course</li>
<li>Orientation to job options and business basics</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Saving-Psychotherapy-Therapists-Bring-Talking/dp/0988875969"> Saving Psychotherapy</a> by Dr. Ben Caldwell</p>]]>
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      <title>What Goes in Your Notes? Interstate therapy practice and documentation for clients considering abortion or gender affirming care</title>
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      <description>What Goes in Your Notes? Interstate therapy practice and documentation for clients considering abortion or gender affirming care
Curt and Katie chat about documentation and practice questions related to abortion or gender affirming care when providing therapy to folks in states where these types of medical care are banned or will be banned soon. We look at medical documentation privacy concerns (related to HIPAA and the 21st Century Cures Act), how therapists avoid “aiding and abetting” a client to get an abortion, what to include in your notes, and special considerations related to duty to warn and child abuse reporting. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore post-Roe documentation for therapists
We’ve heard a lot of questions about what therapists should do now that Roe has been overturned. We decided to dig into practice and documentation guidelines to help modern therapists navigate the changing times.
Medical documentation privacy concerns with interstate practice and the new abortion bans

HIPAA and the 21st Century Cures Act

The impact on clients who move from safe haven states to states with abortion bans

The impact of the Counseling Compact (and similar mental health compacts) and how many participating states have trigger laws to ban or limit abortion

Paying attention to jurisdictional differences and where the client lives

Who qualifies as a HIPAA covered entity?

Psychotherapy (Process) Notes versus Progress Notes

Psychotherapy notes are not defined the same and/or protected in every state

The impact of civil law suits on confidentiality of process notes

The huge challenge of information blocking and who may pass along your treatment information

Talk to an attorney or your professional organization when subpoenaed

How do you avoid “aiding and abetting” a client to get an abortion during mental health treatment?

Processing feelings and helping client to make their own decisions

Aiding and abetting can include telling them where to go, encouraging them to get an abortion, or providing practical support (like money or a ride)

How to provide resources without aiding and abetting

Self-empowerment and clients making their own decisions

Liability and risk in practice (check with your malpractice insurance)

Whether/how you let your clients know where you stand on the overturn of Roe v Wade

What do you include in your notes when talking about abortion and gender affirming care?

What is relevant to your treatment goals?

Documenting progress toward treatment goals

Creating a policy related to medical decision-making

Phrases that you can use to briefly describe what is happening in session

How much to document and the recommendation to be less specific in progress notes when discussing medical decisions

The special considerations related to duty to warn and child abuse reporting when talking about abortion and gender affirming care

No case law to guide us here

The difference between permissive versus required reporting

Vast differences across the states with all of the different pieces

HIPAA says that we should not report, but we will be impacted by state laws

Recommendations to pay attention to what is happening in the states where you practice and to identify advocacy opportunities to protect information, safe haven laws</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Goes in Your Notes? Interstate therapy practice and documentation for clients considering abortion or gender affirming care</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What Goes in Your Notes? Interstate therapy practice and documentation for clients considering abortion or gender affirming care Curt and Katie chat about documentation and practice questions related to abortion or gender affirming care when providing...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Goes in Your Notes? Interstate therapy practice and documentation for clients considering abortion or gender affirming care
Curt and Katie chat about documentation and practice questions related to abortion or gender affirming care when providing therapy to folks in states where these types of medical care are banned or will be banned soon. We look at medical documentation privacy concerns (related to HIPAA and the 21st Century Cures Act), how therapists avoid “aiding and abetting” a client to get an abortion, what to include in your notes, and special considerations related to duty to warn and child abuse reporting. This is a law and ethics continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore post-Roe documentation for therapists
We’ve heard a lot of questions about what therapists should do now that Roe has been overturned. We decided to dig into practice and documentation guidelines to help modern therapists navigate the changing times.
Medical documentation privacy concerns with interstate practice and the new abortion bans

HIPAA and the 21st Century Cures Act

The impact on clients who move from safe haven states to states with abortion bans

The impact of the Counseling Compact (and similar mental health compacts) and how many participating states have trigger laws to ban or limit abortion

Paying attention to jurisdictional differences and where the client lives

Who qualifies as a HIPAA covered entity?

Psychotherapy (Process) Notes versus Progress Notes

Psychotherapy notes are not defined the same and/or protected in every state

The impact of civil law suits on confidentiality of process notes

The huge challenge of information blocking and who may pass along your treatment information

Talk to an attorney or your professional organization when subpoenaed

How do you avoid “aiding and abetting” a client to get an abortion during mental health treatment?

Processing feelings and helping client to make their own decisions

Aiding and abetting can include telling them where to go, encouraging them to get an abortion, or providing practical support (like money or a ride)

How to provide resources without aiding and abetting

Self-empowerment and clients making their own decisions

Liability and risk in practice (check with your malpractice insurance)

Whether/how you let your clients know where you stand on the overturn of Roe v Wade

What do you include in your notes when talking about abortion and gender affirming care?

What is relevant to your treatment goals?

Documenting progress toward treatment goals

Creating a policy related to medical decision-making

Phrases that you can use to briefly describe what is happening in session

How much to document and the recommendation to be less specific in progress notes when discussing medical decisions

The special considerations related to duty to warn and child abuse reporting when talking about abortion and gender affirming care

No case law to guide us here

The difference between permissive versus required reporting

Vast differences across the states with all of the different pieces

HIPAA says that we should not report, but we will be impacted by state laws

Recommendations to pay attention to what is happening in the states where you practice and to identify advocacy opportunities to protect information, safe haven laws</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What Goes in Your Notes? Interstate therapy practice and documentation for clients considering abortion or gender affirming care</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about documentation and practice questions related to abortion or gender affirming care when providing therapy to folks in states where these types of medical care are banned or will be banned soon. We look at medical documentation privacy concerns (related to HIPAA and the 21st Century Cures Act), how therapists avoid “aiding and abetting” a client to get an abortion, what to include in your notes, and special considerations related to duty to warn and child abuse reporting. This is a law and ethics <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">continuing education podcourse</a>.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we explore post-Roe documentation for therapists</p><p>We’ve heard a lot of questions about what therapists should do now that Roe has been overturned. We decided to dig into practice and documentation guidelines to help modern therapists navigate the changing times.</p><p>Medical documentation privacy concerns with interstate practice and the new abortion bans</p><ul>
<li>HIPAA and the 21st Century Cures Act</li>
<li>The impact on clients who move from safe haven states to states with abortion bans</li>
<li>The impact of the Counseling Compact (and similar mental health compacts) and how many participating states have trigger laws to ban or limit abortion</li>
<li>Paying attention to jurisdictional differences and where the client lives</li>
<li>Who qualifies as a HIPAA covered entity?</li>
<li>Psychotherapy (Process) Notes versus Progress Notes</li>
<li>Psychotherapy notes are not defined the same and/or protected in every state</li>
<li>The impact of civil law suits on confidentiality of process notes</li>
<li>The huge challenge of information blocking and who may pass along your treatment information</li>
<li>Talk to an attorney or your professional organization when subpoenaed</li>
</ul><p>How do you avoid “aiding and abetting” a client to get an abortion during mental health treatment?</p><ul>
<li>Processing feelings and helping client to make their own decisions</li>
<li>Aiding and abetting can include telling them where to go, encouraging them to get an abortion, or providing practical support (like money or a ride)</li>
<li>How to provide resources without aiding and abetting</li>
<li>Self-empowerment and clients making their own decisions</li>
<li>Liability and risk in practice (check with your malpractice insurance)</li>
<li>Whether/how you let your clients know where you stand on the overturn of Roe v Wade</li>
</ul><p>What do you include in your notes when talking about abortion and gender affirming care?</p><ul>
<li>What is relevant to your treatment goals?</li>
<li>Documenting progress toward treatment goals</li>
<li>Creating a policy related to medical decision-making</li>
<li>Phrases that you can use to briefly describe what is happening in session</li>
<li>How much to document and the recommendation to be less specific in progress notes when discussing medical decisions</li>
</ul><p>The special considerations related to duty to warn and child abuse reporting when talking about abortion and gender affirming care</p><ul>
<li>No case law to guide us here</li>
<li>The difference between permissive versus required reporting</li>
<li>Vast differences across the states with all of the different pieces</li>
<li>HIPAA says that we should not report, but we will be impacted by state laws</li>
<li>Recommendations to pay attention to what is happening in the states where you practice and to identify advocacy opportunities to protect information, safe haven laws</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Speaking Up for Mental Health Awareness: An Interview with Metta World Peace</title>
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      <description>An Interview with Metta World Peace
Metta World Peace played professional basketball for 19 years. He won the NBA World Championship with the LA Lakers in June 2010 and received the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award – the NBA’s highest citizenship and community service honor – in April 2011. He was selected to the 2005-06 NBA’s All-Defensive Team, was voted by the media as 2003-04 NBA’s Defensive Player of the Year and was the only man with 271 steals in his first two seasons in the NBA, breaking Michael Jordan’s record. His autobiography, “No Malice: My Life in Basketball” was released in May 2018 with Triumph Publishing and a documentary on his life in basketball, “Ron Artest: The Quiet Storm” was released on Showtime in May 2019. World Peace is currently pursuing entrepreneurial projects including the XvsX Sports project he cofounded in 2017 and an NFT project, Meta Panda Club, to bring decentralized basketball community to the masses.
World Peace is also known as a prominent mental health advocate, pop culture personality, philanthropist, and media favorite. He raffled off his 2010 NBA World Championship Ring with the proceeds going to his nonprofit, Xcel University (now known as Artest University). The online ring raffle raised more than $650,000. Funds were donated to nonprofits in 5 cities that provide mental health therapists and mental health services to their communities, and to provide scholarships to underprivileged youth in the New York City area.
World Peace was part of the 13th season of ABC’s Dancing With The Stars, a contestant on CBS’s first edition of Celebrity Big Brother, as well as the CBS competition show, Beyond The Edge. He is active in entrepreneurial endeavors, serves as an advisor to several tech start ups, and seeks to help other basketball players who have aspirations for a pro career with his app and league, XvsX Sports. For more information, please visit https://www.xvsxsports.com/, https://metapandaclub.com/, and https://artestuniversity.org/.
Why did Metta World Peace start speaking about his mental health?

Metta shared his story growing up

The Crack Epidemic and the impact on his neighborhood

The challenges of incarceration, lack of education, and access to resources

Building a shell to protect yourself on the streets

What you learn and practice in the neighborhood he grew up in

The role of history and the impact of slavery on mental health of generations of Black people

The number of friends who are incarcerated

The role of “chemical imbalance” in the mental health landscape and the family members who have dealt with more serious mental illness

Metta’s desire to give back to the mental health community

How Metta World Peace is working to solve the problems that lead to poor mental health

The meaning of his name and why he changed it

Coming together with all types of people

Pushing back on separation and division or divisive statements

No guns or drugs allowed in my neighborhood

Challenging what has been defined as “life” in his neighborhood

The lack of connecting resources (like parks) in all neighborhoods

The importance of play and letting kids be kids

The challenges that Metta World Peace faces in putting forward his message

Describing self as emotional and colorful

Needing to boost his confidence

Mental health stigma before his first disclosure (thanking his therapist in 2010)

How people perceive Metta versus how he sees himself interacting in the world

Metta World Peace’s vision for the future

Everyone has access to mental healthcare

Everyone has a chance to have a good life

We try to understand each other and what motivates them, what they are going through

People coming together to improve society

Parenting and partnership training in schools

Putting parks in every neighborhood so kids can play, connect, and be kids</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Speaking Up for Mental Health Awareness: An Interview with Metta World Peace</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Speaking Up for Mental Health Awareness: An Interview with Metta World Peace Curt and Katie interview Metta World Peace about his efforts toward mental health advocacy, awareness, and access. We explore what led him to speak up, the challenges he’s...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An Interview with Metta World Peace
Metta World Peace played professional basketball for 19 years. He won the NBA World Championship with the LA Lakers in June 2010 and received the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award – the NBA’s highest citizenship and community service honor – in April 2011. He was selected to the 2005-06 NBA’s All-Defensive Team, was voted by the media as 2003-04 NBA’s Defensive Player of the Year and was the only man with 271 steals in his first two seasons in the NBA, breaking Michael Jordan’s record. His autobiography, “No Malice: My Life in Basketball” was released in May 2018 with Triumph Publishing and a documentary on his life in basketball, “Ron Artest: The Quiet Storm” was released on Showtime in May 2019. World Peace is currently pursuing entrepreneurial projects including the XvsX Sports project he cofounded in 2017 and an NFT project, Meta Panda Club, to bring decentralized basketball community to the masses.
World Peace is also known as a prominent mental health advocate, pop culture personality, philanthropist, and media favorite. He raffled off his 2010 NBA World Championship Ring with the proceeds going to his nonprofit, Xcel University (now known as Artest University). The online ring raffle raised more than $650,000. Funds were donated to nonprofits in 5 cities that provide mental health therapists and mental health services to their communities, and to provide scholarships to underprivileged youth in the New York City area.
World Peace was part of the 13th season of ABC’s Dancing With The Stars, a contestant on CBS’s first edition of Celebrity Big Brother, as well as the CBS competition show, Beyond The Edge. He is active in entrepreneurial endeavors, serves as an advisor to several tech start ups, and seeks to help other basketball players who have aspirations for a pro career with his app and league, XvsX Sports. For more information, please visit https://www.xvsxsports.com/, https://metapandaclub.com/, and https://artestuniversity.org/.
Why did Metta World Peace start speaking about his mental health?

Metta shared his story growing up

The Crack Epidemic and the impact on his neighborhood

The challenges of incarceration, lack of education, and access to resources

Building a shell to protect yourself on the streets

What you learn and practice in the neighborhood he grew up in

The role of history and the impact of slavery on mental health of generations of Black people

The number of friends who are incarcerated

The role of “chemical imbalance” in the mental health landscape and the family members who have dealt with more serious mental illness

Metta’s desire to give back to the mental health community

How Metta World Peace is working to solve the problems that lead to poor mental health

The meaning of his name and why he changed it

Coming together with all types of people

Pushing back on separation and division or divisive statements

No guns or drugs allowed in my neighborhood

Challenging what has been defined as “life” in his neighborhood

The lack of connecting resources (like parks) in all neighborhoods

The importance of play and letting kids be kids

The challenges that Metta World Peace faces in putting forward his message

Describing self as emotional and colorful

Needing to boost his confidence

Mental health stigma before his first disclosure (thanking his therapist in 2010)

How people perceive Metta versus how he sees himself interacting in the world

Metta World Peace’s vision for the future

Everyone has access to mental healthcare

Everyone has a chance to have a good life

We try to understand each other and what motivates them, what they are going through

People coming together to improve society

Parenting and partnership training in schools

Putting parks in every neighborhood so kids can play, connect, and be kids</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An Interview with Metta World Peace</p><p>Metta World Peace played professional basketball for 19 years. He won the NBA World Championship with the LA Lakers in June 2010 and received the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award – the NBA’s highest citizenship and community service honor – in April 2011. He was selected to the 2005-06 NBA’s All-Defensive Team, was voted by the media as 2003-04 NBA’s Defensive Player of the Year and was the only man with 271 steals in his first two seasons in the NBA, breaking Michael Jordan’s record. His autobiography, “No Malice: My Life in Basketball” was released in May 2018 with Triumph Publishing and a documentary on his life in basketball, “Ron Artest: The Quiet Storm” was released on Showtime in May 2019. World Peace is currently pursuing entrepreneurial projects including the XvsX Sports project he cofounded in 2017 and an NFT project, Meta Panda Club, to bring decentralized basketball community to the masses.</p><p>World Peace is also known as a prominent mental health advocate, pop culture personality, philanthropist, and media favorite. He raffled off his 2010 NBA World Championship Ring with the proceeds going to his nonprofit, Xcel University (now known as Artest University). The online ring raffle raised more than $650,000. Funds were donated to nonprofits in 5 cities that provide mental health therapists and mental health services to their communities, and to provide scholarships to underprivileged youth in the New York City area.</p><p>World Peace was part of the 13th season of ABC’s Dancing With The Stars, a contestant on CBS’s first edition of Celebrity Big Brother, as well as the CBS competition show, Beyond The Edge. He is active in entrepreneurial endeavors, serves as an advisor to several tech start ups, and seeks to help other basketball players who have aspirations for a pro career with his app and league, XvsX Sports. For more information, please visit <a href="https://www.xvsxsports.com/">https://www.xvsxsports.com/</a>, <a href="https://metapandaclub.com/">https://metapandaclub.com/</a>, and <a href="https://artestuniversity.org/">https://artestuniversity.org/.</a></p><p>Why did Metta World Peace start speaking about his mental health?</p><ul>
<li>Metta shared his story growing up</li>
<li>The Crack Epidemic and the impact on his neighborhood</li>
<li>The challenges of incarceration, lack of education, and access to resources</li>
<li>Building a shell to protect yourself on the streets</li>
<li>What you learn and practice in the neighborhood he grew up in</li>
<li>The role of history and the impact of slavery on mental health of generations of Black people</li>
<li>The number of friends who are incarcerated</li>
<li>The role of “chemical imbalance” in the mental health landscape and the family members who have dealt with more serious mental illness</li>
<li>Metta’s desire to give back to the mental health community</li>
</ul><p>How Metta World Peace is working to solve the problems that lead to poor mental health</p><ul>
<li>The meaning of his name and why he changed it</li>
<li>Coming together with all types of people</li>
<li>Pushing back on separation and division or divisive statements</li>
<li>No guns or drugs allowed in my neighborhood</li>
<li>Challenging what has been defined as “life” in his neighborhood</li>
<li>The lack of connecting resources (like parks) in all neighborhoods</li>
<li>The importance of play and letting kids be kids</li>
</ul><p>The challenges that Metta World Peace faces in putting forward his message</p><ul>
<li>Describing self as emotional and colorful</li>
<li>Needing to boost his confidence</li>
<li>Mental health stigma before his first disclosure (thanking his therapist in 2010)</li>
<li>How people perceive Metta versus how he sees himself interacting in the world</li>
</ul><p>Metta World Peace’s vision for the future</p><ul>
<li>Everyone has access to mental healthcare</li>
<li>Everyone has a chance to have a good life</li>
<li>We try to understand each other and what motivates them, what they are going through</li>
<li>People coming together to improve society</li>
<li>Parenting and partnership training in schools</li>
<li>Putting parks in every neighborhood so kids can play, connect, and be kids</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Infant and Early Childhood Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Barbara Stroud</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/infant-and-early-childhood-mental-health-an-interview-with-dr-barbara-stroud</link>
      <description>Infant and Early Childhood Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Barbara Stroud
An Interview with Dr. Barbara Stroud
Barbara Stroud, PhD, is a licensed psychologist with over three decades worth of culturally informed clinical practice in early childhood development and mental health. She is a founding organizer and the inaugural president (2017-2019) of the California Association for Infant Mental Health, a ZERO TO THREE Fellow, and holds prestigious endorsements as an Infant and Family Mental Health Specialist/Reflective Practice Facilitator Mentor. In 2018 Dr. Stroud was honored with the Bruce D. Perry Spirit of the Child Award. Embedded in all of her trainings and consultations are the activities of reflective practice, demonstrating cultural attunement, and holding a social justice lens in the work. Dr. Stroud’s book “How to Measure a Relationship” [published 2012] is improving infant mental health practices around the globe and is now available in Spanish. Her second book, an Amazon best seller, “Intentional Living: finding the inner peace to create successful relationships” walks the reader through a deeper understanding of how their brain influences relationships. Both volumes are currently available on Amazon. Additionally, Dr. Stroud is a contributing author to the text “Infant and early childhood mental health: Core concepts and clinical practice” edited by Kristie Brandt, Bruce Perry, Steve Seligman, &amp; Ed Tronick.
Dr. Stroud received her Ph.D. in Applied Developmental Psychology from Nova Southeastern University, and she has worked largely with children in urban communities with severe emotional disturbance.  Dr. Stroud’s professional career path has allowed her to work across service delivery silos supporting professionals in mental health, early intervention (part c), child welfare, early care and education, family court staff, primary care, and other arenas. She is highly regarded and has been a key player in the inception and implementation of cutting-edge service delivery to children Prenatal to five and their families; her innovative approaches have won national awards. More specifically, Dr. Stroud is a former preschool director, a non-public school administrator, director of infant mental health services and agency training coordinator. She has held an adjunct faculty position at California State Long Beach and maintained a faculty position in the Infant-Parent Mental Health Fellowship for 12 years. Currently, Dr. Stroud’s primary focus is professional training and private consultation from an anti-racist lens, with a focus on social justice, in the field of infant mental health. Dr. Stroud remains steadfast in her mission to ‘changing the world – one relationship at a time’.
What is infant and early childhood mental health?

Looking at big feelings and social and emotional development

The current brain science that is impacting infant and early childhood mental health

How adults impact infant developing brains

What are the basics that therapists should know when working with children under 5 years old?

The importance of dyadic therapy

Parent training

Social emotional developmental stages

The damage of punishment on the development of an authentic self

What infants need to love themselves, have healthy development

Infants want to be safe, seen, heard, and helped

Co-regulation and holding the big feeling with the child

The impacts of this work on adults

Transgenerational work – we treat the parent in the way that we would like the parent to treat the child

How to support parents in healing their own wounds

Therapy Interventions for infants and children under five years old

Play therapy is complex and advanced and requires training and supervision

Before children can think symbolically or have words, play is not effective

Attunement and attachment work</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Infant and Early Childhood Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Barbara Stroud</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Infant and Early Childhood Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Barbara Stroud Curt and Katie interview Dr. Barbara Stroud on infant and early childhood mental health. We explore what therapists need to know about working with very young children,...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Infant and Early Childhood Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Barbara Stroud
An Interview with Dr. Barbara Stroud
Barbara Stroud, PhD, is a licensed psychologist with over three decades worth of culturally informed clinical practice in early childhood development and mental health. She is a founding organizer and the inaugural president (2017-2019) of the California Association for Infant Mental Health, a ZERO TO THREE Fellow, and holds prestigious endorsements as an Infant and Family Mental Health Specialist/Reflective Practice Facilitator Mentor. In 2018 Dr. Stroud was honored with the Bruce D. Perry Spirit of the Child Award. Embedded in all of her trainings and consultations are the activities of reflective practice, demonstrating cultural attunement, and holding a social justice lens in the work. Dr. Stroud’s book “How to Measure a Relationship” [published 2012] is improving infant mental health practices around the globe and is now available in Spanish. Her second book, an Amazon best seller, “Intentional Living: finding the inner peace to create successful relationships” walks the reader through a deeper understanding of how their brain influences relationships. Both volumes are currently available on Amazon. Additionally, Dr. Stroud is a contributing author to the text “Infant and early childhood mental health: Core concepts and clinical practice” edited by Kristie Brandt, Bruce Perry, Steve Seligman, &amp; Ed Tronick.
Dr. Stroud received her Ph.D. in Applied Developmental Psychology from Nova Southeastern University, and she has worked largely with children in urban communities with severe emotional disturbance.  Dr. Stroud’s professional career path has allowed her to work across service delivery silos supporting professionals in mental health, early intervention (part c), child welfare, early care and education, family court staff, primary care, and other arenas. She is highly regarded and has been a key player in the inception and implementation of cutting-edge service delivery to children Prenatal to five and their families; her innovative approaches have won national awards. More specifically, Dr. Stroud is a former preschool director, a non-public school administrator, director of infant mental health services and agency training coordinator. She has held an adjunct faculty position at California State Long Beach and maintained a faculty position in the Infant-Parent Mental Health Fellowship for 12 years. Currently, Dr. Stroud’s primary focus is professional training and private consultation from an anti-racist lens, with a focus on social justice, in the field of infant mental health. Dr. Stroud remains steadfast in her mission to ‘changing the world – one relationship at a time’.
What is infant and early childhood mental health?

Looking at big feelings and social and emotional development

The current brain science that is impacting infant and early childhood mental health

How adults impact infant developing brains

What are the basics that therapists should know when working with children under 5 years old?

The importance of dyadic therapy

Parent training

Social emotional developmental stages

The damage of punishment on the development of an authentic self

What infants need to love themselves, have healthy development

Infants want to be safe, seen, heard, and helped

Co-regulation and holding the big feeling with the child

The impacts of this work on adults

Transgenerational work – we treat the parent in the way that we would like the parent to treat the child

How to support parents in healing their own wounds

Therapy Interventions for infants and children under five years old

Play therapy is complex and advanced and requires training and supervision

Before children can think symbolically or have words, play is not effective

Attunement and attachment work</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Infant and Early Childhood Mental Health: An Interview with Dr. Barbara Stroud</p><p>An Interview with Dr. Barbara Stroud</p><p>Barbara Stroud, PhD, is a licensed psychologist with over three decades worth of culturally informed clinical practice in early childhood development and mental health. She is a founding organizer and the inaugural president (2017-2019) of the California Association for Infant Mental Health, a ZERO TO THREE Fellow, and holds prestigious endorsements as an Infant and Family Mental Health Specialist/Reflective Practice Facilitator Mentor. In 2018 Dr. Stroud was honored with the Bruce D. Perry Spirit of the Child Award. Embedded in all of her trainings and consultations are the activities of reflective practice, demonstrating cultural attunement, and holding a social justice lens in the work. Dr. Stroud’s book “<em>How to Measure a Relationship</em>” [published 2012] is improving infant mental health practices around the globe and is now available in Spanish. Her second book, an Amazon best seller, “<em>Intentional Living: finding the inner peace to create successful relationships</em>” walks the reader through a deeper understanding of how their brain influences relationships. Both volumes are currently available on Amazon. Additionally, Dr. Stroud is a contributing author to the text “<em>Infant and early childhood mental health: Core concepts and clinical practice</em>” edited by Kristie Brandt, Bruce Perry, Steve Seligman, &amp; Ed Tronick.</p><p>Dr. Stroud received her Ph.D. in Applied Developmental Psychology from Nova Southeastern University, and she has worked largely with children in urban communities with severe emotional disturbance.  Dr. Stroud’s professional career path has allowed her to work across service delivery silos supporting professionals in mental health, early intervention (part c), child welfare, early care and education, family court staff, primary care, and other arenas. She is highly regarded and has been a key player in the inception and implementation of cutting-edge service delivery to children Prenatal to five and their families; her innovative approaches have won national awards. More specifically, Dr. Stroud is a former preschool director, a non-public school administrator, director of infant mental health services and agency training coordinator. She has held an adjunct faculty position at California State Long Beach and maintained a faculty position in the Infant-Parent Mental Health Fellowship for 12 years. Currently, Dr. Stroud’s primary focus is professional training and private consultation from an anti-racist lens, with a focus on social justice, in the field of infant mental health. Dr. Stroud remains steadfast in her mission to ‘<em>changing the world – one relationship at a time</em>’.</p><p>What is infant and early childhood mental health?</p><ul>
<li>Looking at big feelings and social and emotional development</li>
<li>The current brain science that is impacting infant and early childhood mental health</li>
<li>How adults impact infant developing brains</li>
</ul><p>What are the basics that therapists should know when working with children under 5 years old?</p><ul>
<li>The importance of dyadic therapy</li>
<li>Parent training</li>
<li>Social emotional developmental stages</li>
<li>The damage of punishment on the development of an authentic self</li>
</ul><p>What infants need to love themselves, have healthy development</p><ul>
<li>Infants want to be safe, seen, heard, and helped</li>
<li>Co-regulation and holding the big feeling with the child</li>
<li>The impacts of this work on adults</li>
<li>Transgenerational work – we treat the parent in the way that we would like the parent to treat the child</li>
<li>How to support parents in healing their own wounds</li>
</ul><p>Therapy Interventions for infants and children under five years old</p><ul>
<li>Play therapy is complex and advanced and requires training and supervision</li>
<li>Before children can think symbolically or have words, play is not effective</li>
<li>Attunement and attachment work</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>What Maslow Missed in his Hierarchy of Needs - The Native Self Actualization Model: An Interview with Dr. Sidney Stone Brown</title>
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      <description>What Maslow Missed in his Hierarchy of Needs - The Native Self Actualization Model: An Interview with Dr. Sidney Stone Brown
An Interview with Dr. Sidney Stone Brown, LPC
Sidney Stone Brown was born in Kalispell Montana, and is an enrolled member of the Blackfeet Indian Nation of Browning Montana. She was raised on / near her reservation until 1955, living in her great grandmother’s log house with her parents, great uncle, brother and older sisters. They had no running water or indoor toilets; the house was heated with oil and light by kerosene lanterns until 1950. Dr. Brown’s family relocated to Coos Bay Oregon when their reservation faced termination in 1955. Thereafter Dr. Brown attended west coast schools. She attended 30 different schools between first grade and graduation at Oregon State University in 1974.
Dr. Brown worked her way through college and was employed by her tribe as an employment counselor, where she met a resident psychologist working at the tribal Hospital and became interested in Psychology. Near completion of her master’s program she contracted with 1) the University of Minnesota developing community action teams for the Red Cliff Reservation, 2) a Lakota CAP agency in Rapid City South Dakota acting alcohol program director and 3) the University of Utah (Montana Wyoming) Alcohol Counselor Trainer and 4) became permanent employment as director of NARA 1974. The program was originally funded at $81,000 and in ten years was 1.2 million. NARA (1981) won a national recognition award for program excellence and it was noted at the presentation in New Orleans that the model (Native Self Actualization) she developed was the most innovative cross-cultural model ever submitted to the National Council on Alcoholism since the awards began in 1946.
She has served on many other non-profit boards, appointed a member of the (ADAMHA) Alcohol and Drug Abuse Mental Health Administration Minority Advisory Committee (1974-1976). She lobbied for Indian and minority services at the Oregon State Legislature subcommittees, and before the US Senate. she helped form the board and helped develop the certification criteria for NW Indian Alcohol Drug Counselor Certification Board.
In this podcast episode, we talk about The Native Self-Actualization Model
How has native teaching impacted psychology?

Erickson and Jung studied with different tribes

Maslow studied with the Blackfoot people before creating his Hierarchy of Needs

Maslow did not publish or acknowledge the work of the Blackfoot tribe

Maslow’s work was for corporations

What did Maslow find when studying Native people?

Most people were secure (versus the high percentage of folks in poverty on the East Coast)

He moved from behaviorist to humanist

Learned the way of life with the Blackfoot Tribe

What is the Native Self-Actualization Model?

Inverted Lodge or Teepee (turning Maslow’s hierarchy of needs upside down)

The inherent purpose or promise babies come into the world with

The philosophy of Indigenous People

The importance of culture and altruism

What has impacted Native mental health?

Clement Bear Chief’s concept of the holes torn through Native communities

The sexualization and objectification of Native women

The need for protection people, earth, animals

The story of the Blackfoot relationship with the buffalo

The commonality of the indigenous experience

Everything that was taken from Native people creating holes

How to incorporate indigenous practices and teachings to support mental health treatment

Important Takeaways

The importance of intergenerational knowledge

It is essential that indigenous wisdom and way of life survive

The power of altruism and reciprocity

We all are human beings and need to take care of each other</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Maslow Missed in his Hierarchy of Needs - The Native Self Actualization Model: An Interview with Dr. Sidney Stone Brown</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What Maslow Missed in his Hierarchy of Needs - The Native Self Actualization Model: An Interview with Dr. Sidney Stone Brown Curt and Katie interview Dr. Sidney Stone Brown on the Native Self-Actualization Model. We look at Abraham Maslow’s work,...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Maslow Missed in his Hierarchy of Needs - The Native Self Actualization Model: An Interview with Dr. Sidney Stone Brown
An Interview with Dr. Sidney Stone Brown, LPC
Sidney Stone Brown was born in Kalispell Montana, and is an enrolled member of the Blackfeet Indian Nation of Browning Montana. She was raised on / near her reservation until 1955, living in her great grandmother’s log house with her parents, great uncle, brother and older sisters. They had no running water or indoor toilets; the house was heated with oil and light by kerosene lanterns until 1950. Dr. Brown’s family relocated to Coos Bay Oregon when their reservation faced termination in 1955. Thereafter Dr. Brown attended west coast schools. She attended 30 different schools between first grade and graduation at Oregon State University in 1974.
Dr. Brown worked her way through college and was employed by her tribe as an employment counselor, where she met a resident psychologist working at the tribal Hospital and became interested in Psychology. Near completion of her master’s program she contracted with 1) the University of Minnesota developing community action teams for the Red Cliff Reservation, 2) a Lakota CAP agency in Rapid City South Dakota acting alcohol program director and 3) the University of Utah (Montana Wyoming) Alcohol Counselor Trainer and 4) became permanent employment as director of NARA 1974. The program was originally funded at $81,000 and in ten years was 1.2 million. NARA (1981) won a national recognition award for program excellence and it was noted at the presentation in New Orleans that the model (Native Self Actualization) she developed was the most innovative cross-cultural model ever submitted to the National Council on Alcoholism since the awards began in 1946.
She has served on many other non-profit boards, appointed a member of the (ADAMHA) Alcohol and Drug Abuse Mental Health Administration Minority Advisory Committee (1974-1976). She lobbied for Indian and minority services at the Oregon State Legislature subcommittees, and before the US Senate. she helped form the board and helped develop the certification criteria for NW Indian Alcohol Drug Counselor Certification Board.
In this podcast episode, we talk about The Native Self-Actualization Model
How has native teaching impacted psychology?

Erickson and Jung studied with different tribes

Maslow studied with the Blackfoot people before creating his Hierarchy of Needs

Maslow did not publish or acknowledge the work of the Blackfoot tribe

Maslow’s work was for corporations

What did Maslow find when studying Native people?

Most people were secure (versus the high percentage of folks in poverty on the East Coast)

He moved from behaviorist to humanist

Learned the way of life with the Blackfoot Tribe

What is the Native Self-Actualization Model?

Inverted Lodge or Teepee (turning Maslow’s hierarchy of needs upside down)

The inherent purpose or promise babies come into the world with

The philosophy of Indigenous People

The importance of culture and altruism

What has impacted Native mental health?

Clement Bear Chief’s concept of the holes torn through Native communities

The sexualization and objectification of Native women

The need for protection people, earth, animals

The story of the Blackfoot relationship with the buffalo

The commonality of the indigenous experience

Everything that was taken from Native people creating holes

How to incorporate indigenous practices and teachings to support mental health treatment

Important Takeaways

The importance of intergenerational knowledge

It is essential that indigenous wisdom and way of life survive

The power of altruism and reciprocity

We all are human beings and need to take care of each other</itunes:summary>
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<li>Erickson and Jung studied with different tribes</li>
<li>Maslow studied with the Blackfoot people before creating his Hierarchy of Needs</li>
<li>Maslow did not publish or acknowledge the work of the Blackfoot tribe</li>
<li>Maslow’s work was for corporations</li>
</ul><p>What did Maslow find when studying Native people?</p><ul>
<li>Most people were secure (versus the high percentage of folks in poverty on the East Coast)</li>
<li>He moved from behaviorist to humanist</li>
<li>Learned the way of life with the Blackfoot Tribe</li>
</ul><p>What is the Native Self-Actualization Model?</p><ul>
<li>Inverted Lodge or Teepee (turning Maslow’s hierarchy of needs upside down)</li>
<li>The inherent purpose or promise babies come into the world with</li>
<li>The philosophy of Indigenous People</li>
<li>The importance of culture and altruism</li>
</ul><p>What has impacted Native mental health?</p><ul>
<li>Clement Bear Chief’s concept of the holes torn through Native communities</li>
<li>The sexualization and objectification of Native women</li>
<li>The need for protection people, earth, animals</li>
<li>The story of the Blackfoot relationship with the buffalo</li>
<li>The commonality of the indigenous experience</li>
<li>Everything that was taken from Native people creating holes</li>
<li>How to incorporate indigenous practices and teachings to support mental health treatment</li>
</ul><p>Important Takeaways</p><ul>
<li>The importance of intergenerational knowledge</li>
<li>It is essential that indigenous wisdom and way of life survive</li>
<li>The power of altruism and reciprocity</li>
<li>We all are human beings and need to take care of each other</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>What Therapists Need to Know about Abortion and Termination for Medical Reasons: An Interview with Jane Armstrong</title>
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      <description>What Therapists Need to Know about Abortion and Termination for Medical Reasons: An Interview with Jane Armstrong
Curt and Katie interview Jane Armstrong, LCSW, a clinical social worker in Texas, about terminating a wanted pregnancy for medical reasons. We look at the impacts of the overturn of Roe v Wade on reproductive care. We also dig into what termination for medical reasons (TFMR) is, how society stigmatizes these parents, and what therapists can do to effectively support clients facing this decision and the outcome of TFMR.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Jane Armstrong, LCSW-S, PMH-C
Jane is a termination for medical reasons (TFMR) mom, native Texan, &amp; clinical social worker certified in perinatal mental health. Following the birth &amp; death of her first child, Frankie, through TFMR, Jane opened Both/And Therapy, PLLC to provide individual therapy &amp; support groups to other TFMR parents. These services aim to support clients through the unique barriers &amp; grief of ending a wanted pregnancy, particularly in the state of Texas where such care is no longer accessible. She’s passionate about building community, eliminating shame, &amp; honoring grief for TFMR families. 
In this podcast episode, we talk about Termination for Medical Reasons (TFMR)
In the wake of Roe v. Wade being overturned, we reached out to Jane Armstrong, LCSW-S, PMH-C who specializes in TFMR and is based out of Texas, a state with some of the biggest barriers to this type of medical, reproductive care.
What are the clinical impacts on individuals who are considering or who have had an abortion?

Trauma related to pregnancy as well as abortion

The differences between ending wanted and unwanted pregnancies

The shame – societal and internalized

What therapists can get wrong when interacting with the topic of abortion

Unexamined bias related to abortion

TFMR – is baby loss and TFMR parents are entitled to grief

Disenfranchised grief and traumatic loss

The impact of anti-abortion legislation on patients considering abortion and TFMR

Lack of access to all types of medical care

Logistics related to getting access to medical care

The emotional impact of continuing to carry a pregnancy when it is known that the baby will die

How late parents can find out about medical concerns that mean that TFMR is indicated

The lack of time to make a decision

What is Termination For Medical Reasons (TFMR)?

Terminating a pregnancy due to health issues with the pregnant person or with the baby

For the pregnant person: fatal Hyperemesis Gravidarum, requirement for treatment, mental health conditions

For the baby: 12 week genetic screenings or subsequent testing, scans, etc. can point out chromosomal abnormalities, neural tube deficits

How can therapists work with TFMR clients?

The conflict between the laws and a clinician’s own ethics

Make sure your clients know you will be a support resource to them

The importance of the client being able to tell their story

Recognizing that TFMR is typically not talked about and opening space for these clients

Trauma, grief, loss – sitting with the client with their hard stuff

Helping clients to make this impossible decision

Affirming parenthood and the challenge of the decision

Decision versus “choice” and the ways in which bias can enter the conversation about decision-making</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What Therapists Need to Know about Abortion and Termination for Medical Reasons: An Interview with Jane Armstrong Curt and Katie interview Jane Armstrong, LCSW, a clinical social worker in Texas, about terminating a wanted pregnancy for medical...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Therapists Need to Know about Abortion and Termination for Medical Reasons: An Interview with Jane Armstrong
Curt and Katie interview Jane Armstrong, LCSW, a clinical social worker in Texas, about terminating a wanted pregnancy for medical reasons. We look at the impacts of the overturn of Roe v Wade on reproductive care. We also dig into what termination for medical reasons (TFMR) is, how society stigmatizes these parents, and what therapists can do to effectively support clients facing this decision and the outcome of TFMR.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Jane Armstrong, LCSW-S, PMH-C
Jane is a termination for medical reasons (TFMR) mom, native Texan, &amp; clinical social worker certified in perinatal mental health. Following the birth &amp; death of her first child, Frankie, through TFMR, Jane opened Both/And Therapy, PLLC to provide individual therapy &amp; support groups to other TFMR parents. These services aim to support clients through the unique barriers &amp; grief of ending a wanted pregnancy, particularly in the state of Texas where such care is no longer accessible. She’s passionate about building community, eliminating shame, &amp; honoring grief for TFMR families. 
In this podcast episode, we talk about Termination for Medical Reasons (TFMR)
In the wake of Roe v. Wade being overturned, we reached out to Jane Armstrong, LCSW-S, PMH-C who specializes in TFMR and is based out of Texas, a state with some of the biggest barriers to this type of medical, reproductive care.
What are the clinical impacts on individuals who are considering or who have had an abortion?

Trauma related to pregnancy as well as abortion

The differences between ending wanted and unwanted pregnancies

The shame – societal and internalized

What therapists can get wrong when interacting with the topic of abortion

Unexamined bias related to abortion

TFMR – is baby loss and TFMR parents are entitled to grief

Disenfranchised grief and traumatic loss

The impact of anti-abortion legislation on patients considering abortion and TFMR

Lack of access to all types of medical care

Logistics related to getting access to medical care

The emotional impact of continuing to carry a pregnancy when it is known that the baby will die

How late parents can find out about medical concerns that mean that TFMR is indicated

The lack of time to make a decision

What is Termination For Medical Reasons (TFMR)?

Terminating a pregnancy due to health issues with the pregnant person or with the baby

For the pregnant person: fatal Hyperemesis Gravidarum, requirement for treatment, mental health conditions

For the baby: 12 week genetic screenings or subsequent testing, scans, etc. can point out chromosomal abnormalities, neural tube deficits

How can therapists work with TFMR clients?

The conflict between the laws and a clinician’s own ethics

Make sure your clients know you will be a support resource to them

The importance of the client being able to tell their story

Recognizing that TFMR is typically not talked about and opening space for these clients

Trauma, grief, loss – sitting with the client with their hard stuff

Helping clients to make this impossible decision

Affirming parenthood and the challenge of the decision

Decision versus “choice” and the ways in which bias can enter the conversation about decision-making</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What Therapists Need to Know about Abortion and Termination for Medical Reasons: An Interview with Jane Armstrong</p><p>Curt and Katie interview Jane Armstrong, LCSW, a clinical social worker in Texas, about terminating a wanted pregnancy for medical reasons. We look at the impacts of the overturn of Roe v Wade on reproductive care. We also dig into what termination for medical reasons (TFMR) is, how society stigmatizes these parents, and what therapists can do to effectively support clients facing this decision and the outcome of TFMR.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>An Interview with Jane Armstrong, LCSW-S, PMH-C</p><p>Jane is a termination for medical reasons (TFMR) mom, native Texan, &amp; clinical social worker certified in perinatal mental health. Following the birth &amp; death of her first child, Frankie, through TFMR, Jane opened Both/And Therapy, PLLC to provide individual therapy &amp; support groups to other TFMR parents. These services aim to support clients through the unique barriers &amp; grief of ending a wanted pregnancy, particularly in the state of Texas where such care is no longer accessible. She’s passionate about building community, eliminating shame, &amp; honoring grief for TFMR families. </p><p>In this podcast episode, we talk about Termination for Medical Reasons (TFMR)</p><p>In the wake of Roe v. Wade being overturned, we reached out to Jane Armstrong, LCSW-S, PMH-C who specializes in TFMR and is based out of Texas, a state with some of the biggest barriers to this type of medical, reproductive care.</p><p>What are the clinical impacts on individuals who are considering or who have had an abortion?</p><ul>
<li>Trauma related to pregnancy as well as abortion</li>
<li>The differences between ending wanted and unwanted pregnancies</li>
<li>The shame – societal and internalized</li>
</ul><p>What therapists can get wrong when interacting with the topic of abortion</p><ul>
<li>Unexamined bias related to abortion</li>
<li>TFMR – is baby loss and TFMR parents are entitled to grief</li>
<li>Disenfranchised grief and traumatic loss</li>
</ul><p>The impact of anti-abortion legislation on patients considering abortion and TFMR</p><ul>
<li>Lack of access to all types of medical care</li>
<li>Logistics related to getting access to medical care</li>
<li>The emotional impact of continuing to carry a pregnancy when it is known that the baby will die</li>
<li>How late parents can find out about medical concerns that mean that TFMR is indicated</li>
<li>The lack of time to make a decision</li>
</ul><p>What is Termination For Medical Reasons (TFMR)?</p><ul>
<li>Terminating a pregnancy due to health issues with the pregnant person or with the baby</li>
<li>For the pregnant person: fatal Hyperemesis Gravidarum, requirement for treatment, mental health conditions</li>
<li>For the baby: 12 week genetic screenings or subsequent testing, scans, etc. can point out chromosomal abnormalities, neural tube deficits</li>
</ul><p>How can therapists work with TFMR clients?</p><ul>
<li>The conflict between the laws and a clinician’s own ethics</li>
<li>Make sure your clients know you will be a support resource to them</li>
<li>The importance of the client being able to tell their story</li>
<li>Recognizing that TFMR is typically not talked about and opening space for these clients</li>
<li>Trauma, grief, loss – sitting with the client with their hard stuff</li>
<li>Helping clients to make this impossible decision</li>
<li>Affirming parenthood and the challenge of the decision</li>
<li>Decision versus “choice” and the ways in which bias can enter the conversation about decision-making</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapy-for-executives-and-emerging-leaders</link>
      <description>Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can support leaders. We look at optimal leadership, leadership identity development, barriers for emerging leaders, challenges that executives face, and how therapists can support these leaders. We explore specific interventions and career assessment questions. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore how therapists can help leaders
During times of turmoil - like a global pandemic, an unstable economy, and social unrest - we want to be able to rely on our leaders to help us weather the storm. We look to our employers, our legislators, and our community leaders to solve problems and remain calm. But who supports our leaders? It’s important for therapists to understand leadership and the unique challenges that leaders face, so they can help. Further, therapists must be available to provide support to emerging leaders who are coming from much more diverse backgrounds and perspectives who may need help navigating a system that doesn’t always accept them or align with their lived experiences. We talk about leader identity development and how leaders develop over time. We look at common barriers and challenges for leaders at all stages of development as well as suggested interventions to address these needs.
What do therapists get wrong when working with leaders?

Therapists don’t include career assessments and leadership assessment

Understanding the interrelation between work and mental health

Bias related to stereotypical leaders and not seeing leadership where it shows up outside of able-bodied, tall, white men

The calm, peaceful, work-life balance versus optimal performance and ambition

Cosigning on poor work behavior and overwork

What is good leadership?

Leadership can be taught and can be beneficial for every client

Concepts of leadership as a process and a position

Interdependent, collaborative

Servant Leadership

Transformational Leadership

What does leadership identity development look like?

The 6 stages of the model created by Komives, et al.

Moving from identifying leaders, understanding positional leadership, then moving to more of a process and interdependent relationship

How leadership identity development impacts adult clients

What impacts emerging leaders?

Identities, especially marginalized identities

Relationships with authority figures

Resources, privilege within typical leadership development opportunities during childhood and early adulthood

Relational trauma, boundaries, communication

Marginalized identities and stereotypes with no sure-fire way to perform acceptably

Lack of safety and empowerment

Career and Leadership Assessment

Leadership identity development stage

Current employment

Work/life balance

Role of work in client’s life and within family system

Therapists Working with Leaders

Life experience that therapists can draw upon

Identifying what you don’t know

Understand your own work trauma and leadership development

The CHAT Model (or Katie’s model: clarify, imagine, simplify, act)

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Hey modern therapists, we’re so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!
 Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can support leaders. We look at optimal leadership, leadership identity development, barriers for emerging leaders, challenges that executives face, and how...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can support leaders. We look at optimal leadership, leadership identity development, barriers for emerging leaders, challenges that executives face, and how therapists can support these leaders. We explore specific interventions and career assessment questions. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore how therapists can help leaders
During times of turmoil - like a global pandemic, an unstable economy, and social unrest - we want to be able to rely on our leaders to help us weather the storm. We look to our employers, our legislators, and our community leaders to solve problems and remain calm. But who supports our leaders? It’s important for therapists to understand leadership and the unique challenges that leaders face, so they can help. Further, therapists must be available to provide support to emerging leaders who are coming from much more diverse backgrounds and perspectives who may need help navigating a system that doesn’t always accept them or align with their lived experiences. We talk about leader identity development and how leaders develop over time. We look at common barriers and challenges for leaders at all stages of development as well as suggested interventions to address these needs.
What do therapists get wrong when working with leaders?

Therapists don’t include career assessments and leadership assessment

Understanding the interrelation between work and mental health

Bias related to stereotypical leaders and not seeing leadership where it shows up outside of able-bodied, tall, white men

The calm, peaceful, work-life balance versus optimal performance and ambition

Cosigning on poor work behavior and overwork

What is good leadership?

Leadership can be taught and can be beneficial for every client

Concepts of leadership as a process and a position

Interdependent, collaborative

Servant Leadership

Transformational Leadership

What does leadership identity development look like?

The 6 stages of the model created by Komives, et al.

Moving from identifying leaders, understanding positional leadership, then moving to more of a process and interdependent relationship

How leadership identity development impacts adult clients

What impacts emerging leaders?

Identities, especially marginalized identities

Relationships with authority figures

Resources, privilege within typical leadership development opportunities during childhood and early adulthood

Relational trauma, boundaries, communication

Marginalized identities and stereotypes with no sure-fire way to perform acceptably

Lack of safety and empowerment

Career and Leadership Assessment

Leadership identity development stage

Current employment

Work/life balance

Role of work in client’s life and within family system

Therapists Working with Leaders

Life experience that therapists can draw upon

Identifying what you don’t know

Understand your own work trauma and leadership development

The CHAT Model (or Katie’s model: clarify, imagine, simplify, act)

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Hey modern therapists, we’re so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!
 Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Therapy for Executives and Emerging Leaders</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can support leaders. We look at optimal leadership, leadership identity development, barriers for emerging leaders, challenges that executives face, and how therapists can support these leaders. We explore specific interventions and career assessment questions. This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we explore how therapists can help leaders</p><p>During times of turmoil - like a global pandemic, an unstable economy, and social unrest - we want to be able to rely on our leaders to help us weather the storm. We look to our employers, our legislators, and our community leaders to solve problems and remain calm. But who supports our leaders? It’s important for therapists to understand leadership and the unique challenges that leaders face, so they can help. Further, therapists must be available to provide support to emerging leaders who are coming from much more diverse backgrounds and perspectives who may need help navigating a system that doesn’t always accept them or align with their lived experiences. We talk about leader identity development and how leaders develop over time. We look at common barriers and challenges for leaders at all stages of development as well as suggested interventions to address these needs.</p><p>What do therapists get wrong when working with leaders?</p><ul>
<li>Therapists don’t include career assessments and leadership assessment</li>
<li>Understanding the interrelation between work and mental health</li>
<li>Bias related to stereotypical leaders and not seeing leadership where it shows up outside of able-bodied, tall, white men</li>
<li>The calm, peaceful, work-life balance versus optimal performance and ambition</li>
<li>Cosigning on poor work behavior and overwork</li>
</ul><p>What is good leadership?</p><ul>
<li>Leadership can be taught and can be beneficial for every client</li>
<li>Concepts of leadership as a process and a position</li>
<li>Interdependent, collaborative</li>
<li>Servant Leadership</li>
<li>Transformational Leadership</li>
</ul><p>What does leadership identity development look like?</p><ul>
<li>The 6 stages of the model created by Komives, et al.</li>
<li>Moving from identifying leaders, understanding positional leadership, then moving to more of a process and interdependent relationship</li>
<li>How leadership identity development impacts adult clients</li>
</ul><p>What impacts emerging leaders?</p><ul>
<li>Identities, especially marginalized identities</li>
<li>Relationships with authority figures</li>
<li>Resources, privilege within typical leadership development opportunities during childhood and early adulthood</li>
<li>Relational trauma, boundaries, communication</li>
<li>Marginalized identities and stereotypes with no sure-fire way to perform acceptably</li>
<li>Lack of safety and empowerment</li>
</ul><p>Career and Leadership Assessment</p><ul>
<li>Leadership identity development stage</li>
<li>Current employment</li>
<li>Work/life balance</li>
<li>Role of work in client’s life and within family system</li>
</ul><p>Therapists Working with Leaders</p><ul>
<li>Life experience that therapists can draw upon</li>
<li>Identifying what you don’t know</li>
<li>Understand your own work trauma and leadership development</li>
<li>The CHAT Model (or Katie’s model: clarify, imagine, simplify, act)</li>
</ul><p>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</p><p>Hey modern therapists, we’re so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!</p><p> Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a>, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.</p><p>You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com</a></p>]]>
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      <title>I Just Graduated, Now What? – Career Advice for New Mental Health Clinicians</title>
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      <description>I Just Graduated, Now What? – Career Advice for New Mental Health Clinicians
Curt and Katie discuss how clinicians can decide what types of jobs to pursue when they first graduate from their clinical program. We look at whether you should go into a community mental health organization or a private practice. We also dig into what you might want to consider when making these choices and looking for these jobs. Curt and Katie share their own perspective and experiences to help you consider many different options at this stage in your career.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about a new therapist’s career path 
We received a listener email asking advice for how to approach getting their first job after graduating. We decided to answer that listener and to address the question of how to start your career more broadly. 
Should you go into a community mental health organization or private practice?
“I'm of the philosophy that, especially if where you imagine yourself being is in private practice at some point, my recommendation is start doing that as soon as reasonably possible” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Considerations related to longer term goals

Practical and logistical factors related to compensation, benefits, and time

Clinical training and opportunities

What to consider when looking to join a group private practice
“When you are looking for a group practice, don’t look for something that’s just a duplication of a community mental health organization… there is a discernment that needs to happen to identify: is this actually preparing you for the private practice that you want to have in five years? Or is it a mill, where you're churning through insurance clients that don't align or… you're working for a fee that you wouldn't be able to sustain?” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Caseload and pay expectations

Training and supervision opportunities

What you are willing to do to obtain your own clients

Whether you will stay at an agency while building a caseload

What are the job options for therapists when they graduate?

The importance of informational interviews to understand the options

The benefits (and detriments) to different types of work settings

Community mental health versus private practice

Moving around and getting different experiences versus starting in a niche

Identifying what is right for you</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>I Just Graduated, Now What? – Career Advice for New Mental Health Clinicians Curt and Katie discuss how clinicians can decide what types of jobs to pursue when they first graduate from their clinical program. We look at whether you should go into a...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>I Just Graduated, Now What? – Career Advice for New Mental Health Clinicians
Curt and Katie discuss how clinicians can decide what types of jobs to pursue when they first graduate from their clinical program. We look at whether you should go into a community mental health organization or a private practice. We also dig into what you might want to consider when making these choices and looking for these jobs. Curt and Katie share their own perspective and experiences to help you consider many different options at this stage in your career.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about a new therapist’s career path 
We received a listener email asking advice for how to approach getting their first job after graduating. We decided to answer that listener and to address the question of how to start your career more broadly. 
Should you go into a community mental health organization or private practice?
“I'm of the philosophy that, especially if where you imagine yourself being is in private practice at some point, my recommendation is start doing that as soon as reasonably possible” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT

Considerations related to longer term goals

Practical and logistical factors related to compensation, benefits, and time

Clinical training and opportunities

What to consider when looking to join a group private practice
“When you are looking for a group practice, don’t look for something that’s just a duplication of a community mental health organization… there is a discernment that needs to happen to identify: is this actually preparing you for the private practice that you want to have in five years? Or is it a mill, where you're churning through insurance clients that don't align or… you're working for a fee that you wouldn't be able to sustain?” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT

Caseload and pay expectations

Training and supervision opportunities

What you are willing to do to obtain your own clients

Whether you will stay at an agency while building a caseload

What are the job options for therapists when they graduate?

The importance of informational interviews to understand the options

The benefits (and detriments) to different types of work settings

Community mental health versus private practice

Moving around and getting different experiences versus starting in a niche

Identifying what is right for you</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I Just Graduated, Now What? – Career Advice for New Mental Health Clinicians</p><p>Curt and Katie discuss how clinicians can decide what types of jobs to pursue when they first graduate from their clinical program. We look at whether you should go into a community mental health organization or a private practice. We also dig into what you might want to consider when making these choices and looking for these jobs. Curt and Katie share their own perspective and experiences to help you consider many different options at this stage in your career.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about a new therapist’s career path </p><p>We received a listener email asking advice for how to approach getting their first job after graduating. We decided to answer that listener and to address the question of how to start your career more broadly. </p><p>Should you go into a community mental health organization or private practice?</p><p>“I'm of the philosophy that, especially if where you imagine yourself being is in private practice at some point, my recommendation is start doing that as soon as reasonably possible” – Curt Widhalm, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Considerations related to longer term goals</li>
<li>Practical and logistical factors related to compensation, benefits, and time</li>
<li>Clinical training and opportunities</li>
</ul><p>What to consider when looking to join a group private practice</p><p>“When you are looking for a group practice, don’t look for something that’s just a duplication of a community mental health organization… there is a discernment that needs to happen to identify: is this actually preparing you for the private practice that you want to have in five years? Or is it a mill, where you're churning through insurance clients that don't align or… you're working for a fee that you wouldn't be able to sustain?” – Katie Vernoy, LMFT</p><ul>
<li>Caseload and pay expectations</li>
<li>Training and supervision opportunities</li>
<li>What you are willing to do to obtain your own clients</li>
<li>Whether you will stay at an agency while building a caseload</li>
</ul><p>What are the job options for therapists when they graduate?</p><ul>
<li>The importance of informational interviews to understand the options</li>
<li>The benefits (and detriments) to different types of work settings</li>
<li>Community mental health versus private practice</li>
<li>Moving around and getting different experiences versus starting in a niche</li>
<li>Identifying what is right for you</li>
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      <title>What Therapists Should Know about the Rollout of 988</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/what-therapists-should-know-about-the-rollout-of-988</link>
      <description>What Therapists Should Know about the Rollout of 988
Curt and Katie discuss the new suicide hotline, 988, that is set to roll out July 16, 2022. We talk about the legislation for 988 as well as what the primary concerns are for the launch. We explore the resources and infrastructure that is promised (but not ready) as well as ideas that might improve the success of this new initiative.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about what is already going wrong with the 988 roll out. 
We have been paying attention to the 988 roll out and are concerned by the lack of preparation and funding for its implementation. We talk about why we’re freaked out about the upcoming roll out.
What is 988?

Legislation (from 2020) makes the national suicide hotline easier to access, using the phone number 988 – set to launch on July 16, 2022

Crisis, Suicide, or Lifeline phone number

Replaces the previous numbers: 800-273-8255 (phone) or text to 741741

Connecting local resources to local callers

An entry point into the local crisis response system

Opportunities for call, text, or messaging support during times of crisis

What are the primary concerns with the launch of 988?

Lack of infrastructure (calls are being sent out of state or not being answered at all)

Lack of local resources to handle crisis response

Lack of funding to develop these resources (potentially NO funding for staff, text, chat)

Huge gaps in the crisis response system that will be exposed by increased access to this system

Challenges with training hotline workers, who are likely going to be volunteers

Inadequate training for inclusive services and linguistically responsive services.

Ideas to improve 988 and the United States Mental Healthcare program

Funding streams through Medicaid, combining forces with 911

Using the implementation to identifying gaps

RAND suggestions to coordinate with local organizations for strategic planning and identifying stable funding sources, needs assessments related to personnel

Advocacy at the state level to make sure state legislatures are making this work

Curt’s idea: have hotlines staffed with prelicensed or provisionally licensed folks (earning double hours toward licensure)

Advocacy at the federal level to increase funding across the whole country

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
SAMHSA 988 webpage
RAND Report: How to Transform the US Mental Health System
RAND Working Paper – Preparedness for 988 Throughout the United States: The New Mental Health Emergency Hotline
Find Your Legislators
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Fixing Mental Healthcare in America
 A Living Wage for Prelicensees
Episodes on Suicide</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Therapists Should Know about the Rollout of 988</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What Therapists Should Know about the Rollout of 988 Curt and Katie discuss the new suicide hotline, 988, that is set to roll out July 16, 2022. We talk about the legislation for 988 as well as what the primary concerns are for the launch. We explore...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Therapists Should Know about the Rollout of 988
Curt and Katie discuss the new suicide hotline, 988, that is set to roll out July 16, 2022. We talk about the legislation for 988 as well as what the primary concerns are for the launch. We explore the resources and infrastructure that is promised (but not ready) as well as ideas that might improve the success of this new initiative.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about what is already going wrong with the 988 roll out. 
We have been paying attention to the 988 roll out and are concerned by the lack of preparation and funding for its implementation. We talk about why we’re freaked out about the upcoming roll out.
What is 988?

Legislation (from 2020) makes the national suicide hotline easier to access, using the phone number 988 – set to launch on July 16, 2022

Crisis, Suicide, or Lifeline phone number

Replaces the previous numbers: 800-273-8255 (phone) or text to 741741

Connecting local resources to local callers

An entry point into the local crisis response system

Opportunities for call, text, or messaging support during times of crisis

What are the primary concerns with the launch of 988?

Lack of infrastructure (calls are being sent out of state or not being answered at all)

Lack of local resources to handle crisis response

Lack of funding to develop these resources (potentially NO funding for staff, text, chat)

Huge gaps in the crisis response system that will be exposed by increased access to this system

Challenges with training hotline workers, who are likely going to be volunteers

Inadequate training for inclusive services and linguistically responsive services.

Ideas to improve 988 and the United States Mental Healthcare program

Funding streams through Medicaid, combining forces with 911

Using the implementation to identifying gaps

RAND suggestions to coordinate with local organizations for strategic planning and identifying stable funding sources, needs assessments related to personnel

Advocacy at the state level to make sure state legislatures are making this work

Curt’s idea: have hotlines staffed with prelicensed or provisionally licensed folks (earning double hours toward licensure)

Advocacy at the federal level to increase funding across the whole country

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
SAMHSA 988 webpage
RAND Report: How to Transform the US Mental Health System
RAND Working Paper – Preparedness for 988 Throughout the United States: The New Mental Health Emergency Hotline
Find Your Legislators
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Fixing Mental Healthcare in America
 A Living Wage for Prelicensees
Episodes on Suicide</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What Therapists Should Know about the Rollout of 988</p><p>Curt and Katie discuss the new suicide hotline, 988, that is set to roll out July 16, 2022. We talk about the legislation for 988 as well as what the primary concerns are for the launch. We explore the resources and infrastructure that is promised (but not ready) as well as ideas that might improve the success of this new initiative.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about what is already going wrong with the 988 roll out. </p><p>We have been paying attention to the 988 roll out and are concerned by the lack of preparation and funding for its implementation. We talk about why we’re freaked out about the upcoming roll out.</p><p>What is 988?</p><ul>
<li>Legislation (from 2020) makes the national suicide hotline easier to access, using the phone number 988 – set to launch on July 16, 2022</li>
<li>Crisis, Suicide, or Lifeline phone number</li>
<li>Replaces the previous numbers: 800-273-8255 (phone) or text to 741741</li>
<li>Connecting local resources to local callers</li>
<li>An entry point into the local crisis response system</li>
<li>Opportunities for call, text, or messaging support during times of crisis</li>
</ul><p>What are the primary concerns with the launch of 988?</p><ul>
<li>Lack of infrastructure (calls are being sent out of state or not being answered at all)</li>
<li>Lack of local resources to handle crisis response</li>
<li>Lack of funding to develop these resources (potentially NO funding for staff, text, chat)</li>
<li>Huge gaps in the crisis response system that will be exposed by increased access to this system</li>
<li>Challenges with training hotline workers, who are likely going to be volunteers</li>
<li>Inadequate training for inclusive services and linguistically responsive services.</li>
</ul><p>Ideas to improve 988 and the United States Mental Healthcare program</p><ul>
<li>Funding streams through Medicaid, combining forces with 911</li>
<li>Using the implementation to identifying gaps</li>
<li>RAND suggestions to coordinate with local organizations for strategic planning and identifying stable funding sources, needs assessments related to personnel</li>
<li>Advocacy at the state level to make sure state legislatures are making this work</li>
<li>Curt’s idea: have hotlines staffed with prelicensed or provisionally licensed folks (earning double hours toward licensure)</li>
<li>Advocacy at the federal level to increase funding across the whole country</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/988">SAMHSA 988 webpage</a></p><p>RAND Report: <a href="https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA889-1.html">How to Transform the US Mental Health System</a></p><p><a href="https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA1955-1-v2.html">RAND Working Paper – Preparedness for 988 Throughout the United States: The New Mental Health Emergency Hotline</a></p><p><a href="https://openstates.org/find_your_legislator/">Find Your Legislators</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/fixing-mental-healthcare-in-america/"> Fixing Mental Healthcare in America</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/a-living-wage-for-prelicensees/"> A Living Wage for Prelicensees</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/topics/suicide/">Episodes on Suicide</a></p>]]>
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      <title>The Clinical Supervision Crisis for Early Career Therapists: An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-clinical-supervision-crisis-for-early-career-therapists-an-interview-with-dr-amy-parks</link>
      <description>The Clinical Supervision Crisis for Early Career Therapists: An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Amy Parks about the lack of resources for pre- and provisionally licensed mental health professionals to find a clinical supervisor. We discuss the current state of clinical supervision, the barriers for folks becoming clinical supervisors, what makes a good supervisor, navigating online supervision, and what licensed folks might consider when seeking consultation.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks, Founder of the Clinical Supervision Directory
Dr. Amy Fortney Parks brings with her over 30 years of experience working with children, adolescents and families as both an educator and psychologist. She is a passionate “BRAIN -ENTHUSIAST” and strives to help everyone she works with understand the brain science of communication, activation and relationships.
Dr. Parks has a Doctorate in Educational Psychology with a specialty in developmental neuroscience. She is a Child &amp; Adolescent Psychologist as well as the founder and Clinical Director of WISE Mind Solutions LLC and The Wise Family Counseling, Assessment &amp; Education in Virginia. She is also the founder of the Clinical Supervision Directory – a connection super-highway for supervision-seekers working towards licensure in counseling and social work across the US.
Dr. Parks serves as a Clinical Supervisor for Virginia LPC Residents, as well as Dominion Psychiatric Hospital. Additionally, she is an adjunct professor at George Washington University &amp; The Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Dr. Parks is a frequently sought-after parent coach and speaker for families and groups around the world. 
In this podcast episode, we talk about clinical supervision for modern therapists
We look at the gap in clinical supervision for prelicensed or provisionally licensed mental health professionals.
What is the state of clinical supervision for mental health professionals?

No consistent resources for newly graduated clinicians to find supervisors

Different state to state or area to area

Lack of supervisors and a lack of a mechanism to connect supervisors and supervisees

What are the barriers to folks becoming clinical supervisors?

Different standards in different states

Sometimes becoming a supervisor is too overwhelming, complicated, or too much responsibility

The need for advanced training in supervision

What makes a good supervisor?

Training

Diverse experience

Understanding the boundaries between supervision and counseling

Supervisor, consultant, teacher roles

Cultural humility, bias – looking at clients and supervisees

Navigating Online Supervision

Video supervision (rather than phone)

Have supervisees record (video) their sessions for feedback

Research shows that telesupervision is as effective as in person

Laws related to in-person versus virtual supervision

Supervision or Consultation After Licensure

The value of getting consultation after you’re licensed

The importance of a beginner’s mind

The challenges of finding good consultation

Finding the right match when seeking supervision or consultation</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Clinical Supervision Crisis for Early Career Therapists: An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>The Clinical Supervision Crisis for Early Career Therapists: An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks Curt and Katie interview Dr. Amy Parks about the lack of resources for pre- and provisionally licensed mental health professionals to find a clinical...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Clinical Supervision Crisis for Early Career Therapists: An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Amy Parks about the lack of resources for pre- and provisionally licensed mental health professionals to find a clinical supervisor. We discuss the current state of clinical supervision, the barriers for folks becoming clinical supervisors, what makes a good supervisor, navigating online supervision, and what licensed folks might consider when seeking consultation.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks, Founder of the Clinical Supervision Directory
Dr. Amy Fortney Parks brings with her over 30 years of experience working with children, adolescents and families as both an educator and psychologist. She is a passionate “BRAIN -ENTHUSIAST” and strives to help everyone she works with understand the brain science of communication, activation and relationships.
Dr. Parks has a Doctorate in Educational Psychology with a specialty in developmental neuroscience. She is a Child &amp; Adolescent Psychologist as well as the founder and Clinical Director of WISE Mind Solutions LLC and The Wise Family Counseling, Assessment &amp; Education in Virginia. She is also the founder of the Clinical Supervision Directory – a connection super-highway for supervision-seekers working towards licensure in counseling and social work across the US.
Dr. Parks serves as a Clinical Supervisor for Virginia LPC Residents, as well as Dominion Psychiatric Hospital. Additionally, she is an adjunct professor at George Washington University &amp; The Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Dr. Parks is a frequently sought-after parent coach and speaker for families and groups around the world. 
In this podcast episode, we talk about clinical supervision for modern therapists
We look at the gap in clinical supervision for prelicensed or provisionally licensed mental health professionals.
What is the state of clinical supervision for mental health professionals?

No consistent resources for newly graduated clinicians to find supervisors

Different state to state or area to area

Lack of supervisors and a lack of a mechanism to connect supervisors and supervisees

What are the barriers to folks becoming clinical supervisors?

Different standards in different states

Sometimes becoming a supervisor is too overwhelming, complicated, or too much responsibility

The need for advanced training in supervision

What makes a good supervisor?

Training

Diverse experience

Understanding the boundaries between supervision and counseling

Supervisor, consultant, teacher roles

Cultural humility, bias – looking at clients and supervisees

Navigating Online Supervision

Video supervision (rather than phone)

Have supervisees record (video) their sessions for feedback

Research shows that telesupervision is as effective as in person

Laws related to in-person versus virtual supervision

Supervision or Consultation After Licensure

The value of getting consultation after you’re licensed

The importance of a beginner’s mind

The challenges of finding good consultation

Finding the right match when seeking supervision or consultation</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Clinical Supervision Crisis for Early Career Therapists: An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks</p><p>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Amy Parks about the lack of resources for pre- and provisionally licensed mental health professionals to find a clinical supervisor. We discuss the current state of clinical supervision, the barriers for folks becoming clinical supervisors, what makes a good supervisor, navigating online supervision, and what licensed folks might consider when seeking consultation.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>An Interview with Dr. Amy Parks, Founder of the Clinical Supervision Directory</p><p>Dr. Amy Fortney Parks brings with her over 30 years of experience working with children, adolescents and families as both an educator and psychologist. She is a passionate “BRAIN -ENTHUSIAST” and strives to help everyone she works with understand the brain science of communication, activation and relationships.</p><p>Dr. Parks has a Doctorate in Educational Psychology with a specialty in developmental neuroscience. She is a Child &amp; Adolescent Psychologist as well as the founder and Clinical Director of WISE Mind Solutions LLC and The Wise Family Counseling, Assessment &amp; Education in Virginia. She is also the founder of the Clinical Supervision Directory – a connection super-highway for supervision-seekers working towards licensure in counseling and social work across the US.</p><p>Dr. Parks serves as a Clinical Supervisor for Virginia LPC Residents, as well as Dominion Psychiatric Hospital. Additionally, she is an adjunct professor at George Washington University &amp; The Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Dr. Parks is a frequently sought-after parent coach and speaker for families and groups around the world. </p><p>In this podcast episode, we talk about clinical supervision for modern therapists</p><p>We look at the gap in clinical supervision for prelicensed or provisionally licensed mental health professionals.</p><p>What is the state of clinical supervision for mental health professionals?</p><ul>
<li>No consistent resources for newly graduated clinicians to find supervisors</li>
<li>Different state to state or area to area</li>
<li>Lack of supervisors and a lack of a mechanism to connect supervisors and supervisees</li>
</ul><p>What are the barriers to folks becoming clinical supervisors?</p><ul>
<li>Different standards in different states</li>
<li>Sometimes becoming a supervisor is too overwhelming, complicated, or too much responsibility</li>
<li>The need for advanced training in supervision</li>
</ul><p>What makes a good supervisor?</p><ul>
<li>Training</li>
<li>Diverse experience</li>
<li>Understanding the boundaries between supervision and counseling</li>
<li>Supervisor, consultant, teacher roles</li>
<li>Cultural humility, bias – looking at clients and supervisees</li>
</ul><p>Navigating Online Supervision</p><ul>
<li>Video supervision (rather than phone)</li>
<li>Have supervisees record (video) their sessions for feedback</li>
<li>Research shows that telesupervision is as effective as in person</li>
<li>Laws related to in-person versus virtual supervision</li>
</ul><p>Supervision or Consultation After Licensure</p><ul>
<li>The value of getting consultation after you’re licensed</li>
<li>The importance of a beginner’s mind</li>
<li>The challenges of finding good consultation</li>
<li>Finding the right match when seeking supervision or consultation</li>
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      <title>What is Parental Alienation and How Can Therapists Successfully Treat it?</title>
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      <description>What is Parental Alienation and How Can Therapists Successfully Treat it?
Curt and Katie chat about a controversial topic: Parental Alienation. We look at what parental alienation is, the controversies and complexities surrounding this process, how to assess for parental alienation, and how to effectively treat the family system. We talk about how traditional therapy methods are inadequate and potentially harmful in these cases and what to do instead. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore Parental Alienation
We both have worked with families that 
What is Parental Alienation?

The impact a parent/guardian has over how a child interacts with another parent/guardian

Complex dynamic within a family where conflict is present

Breakdown of relationship based on behavior of alienating parent toward targeted parent

The Four Factor Model from Baker (2020)

How do you assess for Parental Alienation?

Challenges with correctly identifying this process/dynamic

Controversies and lack of recognition of Parental Alienation as a separate diagnosis from Parent-Child Relational Problem

Identifying what Parental Alienation is not

Clues that stories from kids are manufactured versus authentic stories of child abuse

The need for access to the full family system to obtain sufficient information

Exploring: What is alienating behavior? How does it work?

Effective Case Conceptualization and Treatment for Parental Alienation

The importance of a family systems approach

Involvement of government systems

Uncovering the generational or individual trauma for all members of the system

How to engage the tools available to advocate for important treatment elements to be in place

The importance of understanding scope and how to write recommendations to court

Preventing therapist shopping and treatment avoidance

Harmful recommendations that can hinder progress within these systems

Treatment teaming and avoiding isolation

Educating about Parental Alienation

Supporting the targeted parent to improve the relationship with the child

Working with alienating parent to prepare for improvement in child’s relationship with targeted parenting

Co-parenting and conflict resolution

Therapist communication with all members of the system

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Hey modern therapists, we’re so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!
 Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information</description>
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      <itunes:title>What is Parental Alienation and How Can Therapists Successfully Treat it?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What is Parental Alienation and How Can Therapists Successfully Treat it? Curt and Katie chat about a controversial topic: Parental Alienation. We look at what parental alienation is, the controversies and complexities surrounding this process, how to...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What is Parental Alienation and How Can Therapists Successfully Treat it?
Curt and Katie chat about a controversial topic: Parental Alienation. We look at what parental alienation is, the controversies and complexities surrounding this process, how to assess for parental alienation, and how to effectively treat the family system. We talk about how traditional therapy methods are inadequate and potentially harmful in these cases and what to do instead. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we explore Parental Alienation
We both have worked with families that 
What is Parental Alienation?

The impact a parent/guardian has over how a child interacts with another parent/guardian

Complex dynamic within a family where conflict is present

Breakdown of relationship based on behavior of alienating parent toward targeted parent

The Four Factor Model from Baker (2020)

How do you assess for Parental Alienation?

Challenges with correctly identifying this process/dynamic

Controversies and lack of recognition of Parental Alienation as a separate diagnosis from Parent-Child Relational Problem

Identifying what Parental Alienation is not

Clues that stories from kids are manufactured versus authentic stories of child abuse

The need for access to the full family system to obtain sufficient information

Exploring: What is alienating behavior? How does it work?

Effective Case Conceptualization and Treatment for Parental Alienation

The importance of a family systems approach

Involvement of government systems

Uncovering the generational or individual trauma for all members of the system

How to engage the tools available to advocate for important treatment elements to be in place

The importance of understanding scope and how to write recommendations to court

Preventing therapist shopping and treatment avoidance

Harmful recommendations that can hinder progress within these systems

Treatment teaming and avoiding isolation

Educating about Parental Alienation

Supporting the targeted parent to improve the relationship with the child

Working with alienating parent to prepare for improvement in child’s relationship with targeted parenting

Co-parenting and conflict resolution

Therapist communication with all members of the system

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Hey modern therapists, we’re so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!
 Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information</itunes:summary>
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<li>The impact a parent/guardian has over how a child interacts with another parent/guardian</li>
<li>Complex dynamic within a family where conflict is present</li>
<li>Breakdown of relationship based on behavior of alienating parent toward targeted parent</li>
<li>The Four Factor Model from Baker (2020)</li>
</ul><p>How do you assess for Parental Alienation?</p><ul>
<li>Challenges with correctly identifying this process/dynamic</li>
<li>Controversies and lack of recognition of Parental Alienation as a separate diagnosis from Parent-Child Relational Problem</li>
<li>Identifying what Parental Alienation is not</li>
<li>Clues that stories from kids are manufactured versus authentic stories of child abuse</li>
<li>The need for access to the full family system to obtain sufficient information</li>
<li>Exploring: What is alienating behavior? How does it work?</li>
</ul><p>Effective Case Conceptualization and Treatment for Parental Alienation</p><ul>
<li>The importance of a family systems approach</li>
<li>Involvement of government systems</li>
<li>Uncovering the generational or individual trauma for all members of the system</li>
<li>How to engage the tools available to advocate for important treatment elements to be in place</li>
<li>The importance of understanding scope and how to write recommendations to court</li>
<li>Preventing therapist shopping and treatment avoidance</li>
<li>Harmful recommendations that can hinder progress within these systems</li>
<li>Treatment teaming and avoiding isolation</li>
<li>Educating about Parental Alienation</li>
<li>Supporting the targeted parent to improve the relationship with the child</li>
<li>Working with alienating parent to prepare for improvement in child’s relationship with targeted parenting</li>
<li>Co-parenting and conflict resolution</li>
<li>Therapist communication with all members of the system</li>
</ul><p>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</p><p>Hey modern therapists, we’re so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!</p><p> Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a>, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.</p><p>You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a></p><p>Continuing Education Approvals:</p><p>When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a></p>]]>
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      <title>The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW</title>
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      <description>The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW
An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW
Jordan Held (he/him/his), LCSW is a Primary Therapist and Gender Specialist at Visions Adolescent Treatment Center. Prior to Visions, Jordan was a Therapist and Intake Coordinator at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles in the Center for Trans Youth Health and Development, the largest trans youth health clinic in the USA.
Jordan’s mental health practice centers around creating a trauma-informed and healing-centered space for both adolescents and their families. Jordan’s expertise is working with gender and sexual minority youth with complex histories of PTSD and trauma. Jordan speaks internationally about creating and supporting affirmative LGBTQ+ environments with an emphasis on informed consent and enhanced family communication. As a queer-identified, transgender man, Jordan brings an important dual perspective to his work as a mental health provider.
Prior to social work, Jordan worked extensively in secondary school education, with a decade of experience teaching, coaching, and developing health and wellness curricula. Jordan’s work focuses on gender violence prevention, diversity, equity, inclusion, and cultivating strength and belonging for teens. Jordan is on the Board of Directors of the Los Angeles LGBT Center, the Laurel Foundation, JQ International, and Mental Health America of Los Angeles. Jordan is also a long-time facilitator at Transforming Family, a support group for gender-diverse youth and their family.
 In this podcast episode, we talk about trans mental health
What is gender-affirmative care?

The way that “gender affirming care” is being taken out of context

What is actually happening, how it has been politicized

The misinformation related to what is available to children who are exploring their gender (i.e., parental consent and youth care)

The role of therapists versus the role of medical providers

Discussion of gender norms

Different types of transition for trans individuals

Social transition (name, pronouns, clothes, haircut)

Medical interventions that may start during puberty (i.e., puberty blockers, progesterone only birth control)

Cross sex hormones and surgeries (which actually require a long process)

States are very specific for what they require for gender care (as do insurance companies)

Conversations in therapy for trans youth

Gender journey

Meeting the kids where they’re at

Lying to get what they need

Letters and recommendations for surgery

The gender dysphoria diagnosis and sorting that out from depression, anxiety, etc.

Supporting trans youth with social transition and getting the support they need

The concerns with maladaptive coping skills available online

Positive resources for trans youth (scroll down to resources)

Identity and impacts

The Politicization of Trans Individuals

Jordan grew in privilege when he transitioned

Legislation

Schools removing conversations related to gender and sexuality

Play and sports being withheld from trans kids

Bias and how being trans is perceived

The actual numbers of trans folks who want to play sports or want to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity

Advice for trans kids and families where gender care is illegal, advice for therapists

Age limits and laws that don’t align with logic

Culture, privilege, and being trans

Increasing or decreasing privilege when one transitions

Getting used to the changed dynamic within society based on external experience

The complexity of the experience and the changing of the experience

The concept of “passing” and how it taps into bias</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW Curt and Katie interview Jordan Held, LCSW, about gender affirming care, trans mental health, the practicalities of transition (as well...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW
An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW
Jordan Held (he/him/his), LCSW is a Primary Therapist and Gender Specialist at Visions Adolescent Treatment Center. Prior to Visions, Jordan was a Therapist and Intake Coordinator at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles in the Center for Trans Youth Health and Development, the largest trans youth health clinic in the USA.
Jordan’s mental health practice centers around creating a trauma-informed and healing-centered space for both adolescents and their families. Jordan’s expertise is working with gender and sexual minority youth with complex histories of PTSD and trauma. Jordan speaks internationally about creating and supporting affirmative LGBTQ+ environments with an emphasis on informed consent and enhanced family communication. As a queer-identified, transgender man, Jordan brings an important dual perspective to his work as a mental health provider.
Prior to social work, Jordan worked extensively in secondary school education, with a decade of experience teaching, coaching, and developing health and wellness curricula. Jordan’s work focuses on gender violence prevention, diversity, equity, inclusion, and cultivating strength and belonging for teens. Jordan is on the Board of Directors of the Los Angeles LGBT Center, the Laurel Foundation, JQ International, and Mental Health America of Los Angeles. Jordan is also a long-time facilitator at Transforming Family, a support group for gender-diverse youth and their family.
 In this podcast episode, we talk about trans mental health
What is gender-affirmative care?

The way that “gender affirming care” is being taken out of context

What is actually happening, how it has been politicized

The misinformation related to what is available to children who are exploring their gender (i.e., parental consent and youth care)

The role of therapists versus the role of medical providers

Discussion of gender norms

Different types of transition for trans individuals

Social transition (name, pronouns, clothes, haircut)

Medical interventions that may start during puberty (i.e., puberty blockers, progesterone only birth control)

Cross sex hormones and surgeries (which actually require a long process)

States are very specific for what they require for gender care (as do insurance companies)

Conversations in therapy for trans youth

Gender journey

Meeting the kids where they’re at

Lying to get what they need

Letters and recommendations for surgery

The gender dysphoria diagnosis and sorting that out from depression, anxiety, etc.

Supporting trans youth with social transition and getting the support they need

The concerns with maladaptive coping skills available online

Positive resources for trans youth (scroll down to resources)

Identity and impacts

The Politicization of Trans Individuals

Jordan grew in privilege when he transitioned

Legislation

Schools removing conversations related to gender and sexuality

Play and sports being withheld from trans kids

Bias and how being trans is perceived

The actual numbers of trans folks who want to play sports or want to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity

Advice for trans kids and families where gender care is illegal, advice for therapists

Age limits and laws that don’t align with logic

Culture, privilege, and being trans

Increasing or decreasing privilege when one transitions

Getting used to the changed dynamic within society based on external experience

The complexity of the experience and the changing of the experience

The concept of “passing” and how it taps into bias</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Practicalities of Mental Health and Gender Affirming Care for Trans Youth: An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW</p><p>An Interview with Jordan Held, LCSW</p><p>Jordan Held (he/him/his), LCSW is a Primary Therapist and Gender Specialist at Visions Adolescent Treatment Center. Prior to Visions, Jordan was a Therapist and Intake Coordinator at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles in the Center for Trans Youth Health and Development, the largest trans youth health clinic in the USA.</p><p>Jordan’s mental health practice centers around creating a trauma-informed and healing-centered space for both adolescents and their families. Jordan’s expertise is working with gender and sexual minority youth with complex histories of PTSD and trauma. Jordan speaks internationally about creating and supporting affirmative LGBTQ+ environments with an emphasis on informed consent and enhanced family communication. As a queer-identified, transgender man, Jordan brings an important dual perspective to his work as a mental health provider.</p><p>Prior to social work, Jordan worked extensively in secondary school education, with a decade of experience teaching, coaching, and developing health and wellness curricula. Jordan’s work focuses on gender violence prevention, diversity, equity, inclusion, and cultivating strength and belonging for teens. Jordan is on the Board of Directors of the Los Angeles LGBT Center, the Laurel Foundation, JQ International, and Mental Health America of Los Angeles. Jordan is also a long-time facilitator at Transforming Family, a support group for gender-diverse youth and their family.</p><p> In this podcast episode, we talk about trans mental health</p><p>What is gender-affirmative care?</p><ul>
<li>The way that “gender affirming care” is being taken out of context</li>
<li>What is actually happening, how it has been politicized</li>
<li>The misinformation related to what is available to children who are exploring their gender (i.e., parental consent and youth care)</li>
<li>The role of therapists versus the role of medical providers</li>
<li>Discussion of gender norms</li>
</ul><p>Different types of transition for trans individuals</p><ul>
<li>Social transition (name, pronouns, clothes, haircut)</li>
<li>Medical interventions that may start during puberty (i.e., puberty blockers, progesterone only birth control)</li>
<li>Cross sex hormones and surgeries (which actually require a long process)</li>
<li>States are very specific for what they require for gender care (as do insurance companies)</li>
</ul><p>Conversations in therapy for trans youth</p><ul>
<li>Gender journey</li>
<li>Meeting the kids where they’re at</li>
<li>Lying to get what they need</li>
<li>Letters and recommendations for surgery</li>
<li>The gender dysphoria diagnosis and sorting that out from depression, anxiety, etc.</li>
<li>Supporting trans youth with social transition and getting the support they need</li>
<li>The concerns with maladaptive coping skills available online</li>
<li>Positive resources for trans youth (scroll down to resources)</li>
<li>Identity and impacts</li>
</ul><p>The Politicization of Trans Individuals</p><ul>
<li>Jordan grew in privilege when he transitioned</li>
<li>Legislation</li>
<li>Schools removing conversations related to gender and sexuality</li>
<li>Play and sports being withheld from trans kids</li>
<li>Bias and how being trans is perceived</li>
<li>The actual numbers of trans folks who want to play sports or want to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity</li>
<li>Advice for trans kids and families where gender care is illegal, advice for therapists</li>
<li>Age limits and laws that don’t align with logic</li>
</ul><p>Culture, privilege, and being trans</p><ul>
<li>Increasing or decreasing privilege when one transitions</li>
<li>Getting used to the changed dynamic within society based on external experience</li>
<li>The complexity of the experience and the changing of the experience</li>
<li>The concept of “passing” and how it taps into bias</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Portrayals of Mental Health and Therapy in the Media: An Interview with Danah Davis Williams, LMFT</title>
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      <description>Portrayals of Mental Health and Therapy in the Media: An Interview with Danah Davis Williams, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Danah Davis Williams, LMFT on the portrayals of mental health and therapy in the media. We explore responsible portrayals as well as the harmful practices that some writers and studios engage in. We also talk about the opportunities for modern therapists to have an impact on how diagnoses and mental health treatment are represented on film and television.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Danah Davis Williams, LMFT
Danah Davis Williams is a Licensed Psychotherapist, an Actor, a Psychological Creative Consultant, a Podcast Host and current Past President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT).
As a therapist, Danah is in private practice in Santa Barbara, California (California Coastal Counseling) where she specializes in helping people break destructive patterns of coping through the use of practical, evidenced-based coping skills and personal process. She is extensively trained in Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) and Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT).
As a consultant, Danah provides personalized psychological consultation for filmmakers, executives and creatives committed to socially responsible, captivating storytelling through authentic characterization of mental health, its treatment and interpersonal impact. She runs a psychological consulting business helping entertainment industry leaders ensure accurate representation of mental health: working with filmmakers, writers, execs, and high-profile actors from networks like FX, CBS, ABC, NBC, Freeform and MGM.
What does the media get wrong when portraying mental health and therapy?

Inaccurate portrayals of diagnoses

Manipulative or unethical therapists

The problems with “guilty pleasures” that include inaccurate or harmful portrayals

The opportunities for therapists to be creators and consultants

Translating clinical work into consulting and creating

Vulnerability when sharing journey as a therapist

Using skills from practice building to create opportunities as a creator

The process of consultation for scripts and what to consider when providing feedback

Ethical thoughts related to representations

How to build a network and consulting business

How the storytellers look at mental health and healing

The silver bullet that “heals” the client

Inaccurate portrayals of therapy or healing and the impact on clients

Ethics to consider (especially given you’re not acting within your profession with an ethical code)

The challenges of unscripted shows

Shows that get it right when it comes to mental health and treatment

This is us – Toby

Comprehensive and realistic, tapping into lived experience within actors and/or writers

The attempts to portray diversity and the experience of marginalized communities and their interaction in the mental health system

Diversifying Media and the Portrayals of Mental Health and Therapy

Ava Duvernay’s Array program

Michael B Jordan hiring students and mentoring the next generation

Decreasing stigma for folks who have not typically sought mental health services

How to advocate for accurate mental health portrayals in the media

Calling things out on social media that are good and things that are done poorly (or are harmful)

Content creation about shows you watch (like blogs, articles, etc.)

Discussing content in sessions to help process what folks are viewing or their own experience

Not watching or purchasing tickets to content that is harmful (not reinforcing “guilty pleasures”)</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Portrayals of Mental Health and Therapy in the Media: An Interview with Danah Davis Williams, LMFT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Portrayals of Mental Health and Therapy in the Media: An Interview with Danah Davis Williams, LMFT Curt and Katie interview Danah Davis Williams, LMFT on the portrayals of mental health and therapy in the media. We explore responsible portrayals as...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Portrayals of Mental Health and Therapy in the Media: An Interview with Danah Davis Williams, LMFT
Curt and Katie interview Danah Davis Williams, LMFT on the portrayals of mental health and therapy in the media. We explore responsible portrayals as well as the harmful practices that some writers and studios engage in. We also talk about the opportunities for modern therapists to have an impact on how diagnoses and mental health treatment are represented on film and television.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
An Interview with Danah Davis Williams, LMFT
Danah Davis Williams is a Licensed Psychotherapist, an Actor, a Psychological Creative Consultant, a Podcast Host and current Past President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT).
As a therapist, Danah is in private practice in Santa Barbara, California (California Coastal Counseling) where she specializes in helping people break destructive patterns of coping through the use of practical, evidenced-based coping skills and personal process. She is extensively trained in Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) and Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT).
As a consultant, Danah provides personalized psychological consultation for filmmakers, executives and creatives committed to socially responsible, captivating storytelling through authentic characterization of mental health, its treatment and interpersonal impact. She runs a psychological consulting business helping entertainment industry leaders ensure accurate representation of mental health: working with filmmakers, writers, execs, and high-profile actors from networks like FX, CBS, ABC, NBC, Freeform and MGM.
What does the media get wrong when portraying mental health and therapy?

Inaccurate portrayals of diagnoses

Manipulative or unethical therapists

The problems with “guilty pleasures” that include inaccurate or harmful portrayals

The opportunities for therapists to be creators and consultants

Translating clinical work into consulting and creating

Vulnerability when sharing journey as a therapist

Using skills from practice building to create opportunities as a creator

The process of consultation for scripts and what to consider when providing feedback

Ethical thoughts related to representations

How to build a network and consulting business

How the storytellers look at mental health and healing

The silver bullet that “heals” the client

Inaccurate portrayals of therapy or healing and the impact on clients

Ethics to consider (especially given you’re not acting within your profession with an ethical code)

The challenges of unscripted shows

Shows that get it right when it comes to mental health and treatment

This is us – Toby

Comprehensive and realistic, tapping into lived experience within actors and/or writers

The attempts to portray diversity and the experience of marginalized communities and their interaction in the mental health system

Diversifying Media and the Portrayals of Mental Health and Therapy

Ava Duvernay’s Array program

Michael B Jordan hiring students and mentoring the next generation

Decreasing stigma for folks who have not typically sought mental health services

How to advocate for accurate mental health portrayals in the media

Calling things out on social media that are good and things that are done poorly (or are harmful)

Content creation about shows you watch (like blogs, articles, etc.)

Discussing content in sessions to help process what folks are viewing or their own experience

Not watching or purchasing tickets to content that is harmful (not reinforcing “guilty pleasures”)</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Portrayals of Mental Health and Therapy in the Media: An Interview with Danah Davis Williams, LMFT</p><p>Curt and Katie interview Danah Davis Williams, LMFT on the portrayals of mental health and therapy in the media. We explore responsible portrayals as well as the harmful practices that some writers and studios engage in. We also talk about the opportunities for modern therapists to have an impact on how diagnoses and mental health treatment are represented on film and television.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>An Interview with Danah Davis Williams, LMFT</p><p>Danah Davis Williams is a Licensed Psychotherapist, an Actor, a Psychological Creative Consultant, a Podcast Host and current Past President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT).</p><p>As a therapist, Danah is in private practice in Santa Barbara, California (<a href="http://www.calcoastalcounseling.com/">California Coastal Counseling</a>) where she specializes in helping people break destructive patterns of coping through the use of practical, evidenced-based coping skills and personal process. She is extensively trained in Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) and Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT).</p><p>As a consultant, Danah provides personalized psychological consultation for filmmakers, executives and creatives committed to socially responsible, captivating storytelling through authentic characterization of mental health, its treatment and interpersonal impact. She runs a psychological consulting business helping entertainment industry leaders ensure accurate representation of mental health: working with filmmakers, writers, execs, and high-profile actors from networks like FX, CBS, ABC, NBC, Freeform and MGM.</p><p>What does the media get wrong when portraying mental health and therapy?</p><ul>
<li>Inaccurate portrayals of diagnoses</li>
<li>Manipulative or unethical therapists</li>
<li>The problems with “guilty pleasures” that include inaccurate or harmful portrayals</li>
</ul><p>The opportunities for therapists to be creators and consultants</p><ul>
<li>Translating clinical work into consulting and creating</li>
<li>Vulnerability when sharing journey as a therapist</li>
<li>Using skills from practice building to create opportunities as a creator</li>
<li>The process of consultation for scripts and what to consider when providing feedback</li>
<li>Ethical thoughts related to representations</li>
<li>How to build a network and consulting business</li>
</ul><p>How the storytellers look at mental health and healing</p><ul>
<li>The silver bullet that “heals” the client</li>
<li>Inaccurate portrayals of therapy or healing and the impact on clients</li>
<li>Ethics to consider (especially given you’re not acting within your profession with an ethical code)</li>
<li>The challenges of unscripted shows</li>
</ul><p>Shows that get it right when it comes to mental health and treatment</p><ul>
<li>This is us – Toby</li>
<li>Comprehensive and realistic, tapping into lived experience within actors and/or writers</li>
<li>The attempts to portray diversity and the experience of marginalized communities and their interaction in the mental health system</li>
</ul><p>Diversifying Media and the Portrayals of Mental Health and Therapy</p><ul>
<li>Ava Duvernay’s Array program</li>
<li>Michael B Jordan hiring students and mentoring the next generation</li>
<li>Decreasing stigma for folks who have not typically sought mental health services</li>
</ul><p>How to advocate for accurate mental health portrayals in the media</p><ul>
<li>Calling things out on social media that are good and things that are done poorly (or are harmful)</li>
<li>Content creation about shows you watch (like blogs, articles, etc.)</li>
<li>Discussing content in sessions to help process what folks are viewing or their own experience</li>
<li>Not watching or purchasing tickets to content that is harmful (not reinforcing “guilty pleasures”)</li>
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      <title>Beware of Scams Targeting Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/beware-of-scams-targeting-therapists</link>
      <description>Beware of Scams Targeting Therapists
Curt and Katie discuss common scams that specifically target therapists. We look at how to identify scams or sketchy business practices that can be very confusing as well as dangerous to clinicians. We also talk about how to protect yourself as well as solid business practices that you can implement to stave off some of these scammers. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about scams that target therapists
We have heard about a lot of scams in our careers. We figured it was time to do another “survival guide” episode on how to protect ourselves as therapists.
What are the most common scams targeting therapists?

Information used from popular therapist directories

Claiming to be a law enforcement professional, missed court date, or the IRS

Image copyright infringement

Businesses that target you to charge them for things that are free or with another company

Clients or people seeking therapy for family members and then overpay and ask for a refund

Text messages or emails with unsolicited links that can leave malware on your computer

Phishing schemes

Testing stolen credit cards or stolen identities

How can modern therapists protect ourselves from these scams?

Get into wise mind (avoid responding to false urgency)

Go through official channels (contact actual officials)

Contact an attorney if unsure

Understand how legal notices are properly delivered

Caution with financial systems and not allowing people to pay upfront

Requiring person seeking services to contact therapist

Cyber security trainings

Communicating appropriately and consistently

Holding to systems and boundaries

Make sure to share these scams with professional organizations, the official entity, or your licensing board

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Abundance Practice Building Article on Copyright Infringement
From Joe Borders: Currently Active Scams Targeting Therapists
 From APA: Protect your practice from scams targeting psychologists
 From APA: More reports surface of telephone scammers targeting psychologists
 From the SF Chronicle: ‘He held me hostage with no gun but with his words’: The phone scam gaslighting therapists
 From Counseling Today: Technology Tutor: Scams aimed at counselors
 From Psych Today: The Phone Scam That Targets Psychologists
 From CPH &amp; Associates: Scam Targeting Therapists: What You Need to Know
 From 10News.Com: The jury duty scam you should know about</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Beware of Scams Targeting Therapists</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Beware of Scams Targeting Therapists Curt and Katie discuss common scams that specifically target therapists. We look at how to identify scams or sketchy business practices that can be very confusing as well as dangerous to clinicians. We also talk...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Beware of Scams Targeting Therapists
Curt and Katie discuss common scams that specifically target therapists. We look at how to identify scams or sketchy business practices that can be very confusing as well as dangerous to clinicians. We also talk about how to protect yourself as well as solid business practices that you can implement to stave off some of these scammers. 
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about scams that target therapists
We have heard about a lot of scams in our careers. We figured it was time to do another “survival guide” episode on how to protect ourselves as therapists.
What are the most common scams targeting therapists?

Information used from popular therapist directories

Claiming to be a law enforcement professional, missed court date, or the IRS

Image copyright infringement

Businesses that target you to charge them for things that are free or with another company

Clients or people seeking therapy for family members and then overpay and ask for a refund

Text messages or emails with unsolicited links that can leave malware on your computer

Phishing schemes

Testing stolen credit cards or stolen identities

How can modern therapists protect ourselves from these scams?

Get into wise mind (avoid responding to false urgency)

Go through official channels (contact actual officials)

Contact an attorney if unsure

Understand how legal notices are properly delivered

Caution with financial systems and not allowing people to pay upfront

Requiring person seeking services to contact therapist

Cyber security trainings

Communicating appropriately and consistently

Holding to systems and boundaries

Make sure to share these scams with professional organizations, the official entity, or your licensing board

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Abundance Practice Building Article on Copyright Infringement
From Joe Borders: Currently Active Scams Targeting Therapists
 From APA: Protect your practice from scams targeting psychologists
 From APA: More reports surface of telephone scammers targeting psychologists
 From the SF Chronicle: ‘He held me hostage with no gun but with his words’: The phone scam gaslighting therapists
 From Counseling Today: Technology Tutor: Scams aimed at counselors
 From Psych Today: The Phone Scam That Targets Psychologists
 From CPH &amp; Associates: Scam Targeting Therapists: What You Need to Know
 From 10News.Com: The jury duty scam you should know about</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Beware of Scams Targeting Therapists</p><p>Curt and Katie discuss common scams that specifically target therapists. We look at how to identify scams or sketchy business practices that can be very confusing as well as dangerous to clinicians. We also talk about how to protect yourself as well as solid business practices that you can implement to stave off some of these scammers. </p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about scams that target therapists</p><p>We have heard about a lot of scams in our careers. We figured it was time to do another “survival guide” episode on how to protect ourselves as therapists.</p><p>What are the most common scams targeting therapists?</p><ul>
<li>Information used from popular therapist directories</li>
<li>Claiming to be a law enforcement professional, missed court date, or the IRS</li>
<li>Image copyright infringement</li>
<li>Businesses that target you to charge them for things that are free or with another company</li>
<li>Clients or people seeking therapy for family members and then overpay and ask for a refund</li>
<li>Text messages or emails with unsolicited links that can leave malware on your computer</li>
<li>Phishing schemes</li>
<li>Testing stolen credit cards or stolen identities</li>
</ul><p>How can modern therapists protect ourselves from these scams?</p><ul>
<li>Get into wise mind (avoid responding to false urgency)</li>
<li>Go through official channels (contact actual officials)</li>
<li>Contact an attorney if unsure</li>
<li>Understand how legal notices are properly delivered</li>
<li>Caution with financial systems and not allowing people to pay upfront</li>
<li>Requiring person seeking services to contact therapist</li>
<li>Cyber security trainings</li>
<li>Communicating appropriately and consistently</li>
<li>Holding to systems and boundaries</li>
<li>Make sure to share these scams with professional organizations, the official entity, or your licensing board</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://abundancepracticebuilding.com/marketing/sued-copyright-infringment/"> Abundance Practice Building Article on Copyright Infringement</a></p><p><a href="https://sacwellness.com/scams-targeting-therapists/">From Joe Borders: Currently Active Scams Targeting Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://www.apaservices.org/practice/business/hipaa/protect-telephone-scam"> From APA: Protect your practice from scams targeting psychologists</a></p><p><a href="https://www.apaservices.org/practice/business/technology/telephone-scammers"> From APA: More reports surface of telephone scammers targeting psychologists</a></p><p><a href="https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/phone-scam-therapists-16483251.php"> From the SF Chronicle: ‘He held me hostage with no gun but with his words’: The phone scam gaslighting therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://ct.counseling.org/2018/01/technology-tutor-scams-aimed-counselors/"> From Counseling Today: Technology Tutor: Scams aimed at counselors</a></p><p><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-fraud-crisis/202110/the-phone-scam-targets-psychologists"> From Psych Today: The Phone Scam That Targets Psychologists</a></p><p><a href="https://www.cphins.com/scam-targeting-therapist-what-you-need-to-know/"> From CPH &amp; Associates: Scam Targeting Therapists: What You Need to Know</a></p><p><a href="https://www.10news.com/news/national/the-jury-duty-scam-you-should-know-about"> From 10News.Com: The jury duty scam you should know about</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Beyond Reimagination: Improving your client outcomes by understanding what big tech is doing right (and wrong) with mental health apps</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/beyond-reimagination-improving-your-client-outcomes-by-understanding-what-big-tech-is-doing-right-and-wrong-with-mental-health-apps</link>
      <description>Beyond Reimagination: Improving your client outcomes by understanding what big tech is doing right (and wrong) with mental health apps
Curt and Katie chat about the big tech “disruptors” in the mental health space and what therapists can learn from their tactics to support clients. We look at who is using mental health apps, what mental health apps are getting right (and wrong), and how therapists can take what is working and work differently to more effectively serve our own clients. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Looking at the gaps in mental health treatment and how big tech is working to “fix” them

Exploring the goals from the Rand report on fixing mental healthcare in the United States

Mental Health apps (with many broad definitions)

Access to lots of different types of services and self-help

A one stop shop with a full range of services

Direct negotiation with insurance companies

The types of technology used in mental health apps and the risks and benefits of these advances

Algorithms

Geo location data

Complex payment structures

Outcomes and feedback

What mental health apps are doing well for clients

Getting clients into therapy much more quickly

Decreasing costs for consumers

Increasing flexibility and availability

Not requiring for things to happen in real time (asynchronous therapy)

What mental health apps are getting wrong

McDonaldization and commoditization

Proprietary treatment methods and incentives for specific worksheets or staying within the app

Misalignment between the goals of the client and the goals of the corporation

Self-driven, leading to folks to potentially getting insufficient resources

Individual versus community focus

Caseloads and potential for therapist income (as well as burnout and poor care)

Concerns about the additional risks that can happen with mental health apps

The apps are not bound by HIPAA, but instead the SEC

Data sharing and Alexa suggesting supplements to address client mental health concerns

Additional legal and ethical risks

Who is using app-based mental health services?

Therapy veterans are moving to apps

Access is not actually improved

The reasons that clients are moving from a traditional therapist to therapy apps

Outcomes across different types of apps and different types of clients

Niche apps are more effective than generalist apps

What we can do to move our therapist practices forward?
Using the benefits of technology to decrease friction for your clients accessing therapists

Increasing flexibility and creativity

Be a better therapist and understanding the digital therapeutic alliance

Paying attention to laws and ethics, scope of practice, and treatment planning

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Hey modern therapists, we’re so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!
 Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Beyond Reimagination: Improving your client outcomes by understanding what big tech is doing right (and wrong) with mental health apps</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/7a8a15c0-690e-11ed-9001-7f3551ebeeee/image/Episode_262.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Beyond Reimagination: Improving your client outcomes by understanding what big tech is doing right (and wrong) with mental health apps Curt and Katie chat about the big tech “disruptors” in the mental health space and what therapists can learn...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Beyond Reimagination: Improving your client outcomes by understanding what big tech is doing right (and wrong) with mental health apps
Curt and Katie chat about the big tech “disruptors” in the mental health space and what therapists can learn from their tactics to support clients. We look at who is using mental health apps, what mental health apps are getting right (and wrong), and how therapists can take what is working and work differently to more effectively serve our own clients. This is a continuing education podcourse.
Looking at the gaps in mental health treatment and how big tech is working to “fix” them

Exploring the goals from the Rand report on fixing mental healthcare in the United States

Mental Health apps (with many broad definitions)

Access to lots of different types of services and self-help

A one stop shop with a full range of services

Direct negotiation with insurance companies

The types of technology used in mental health apps and the risks and benefits of these advances

Algorithms

Geo location data

Complex payment structures

Outcomes and feedback

What mental health apps are doing well for clients

Getting clients into therapy much more quickly

Decreasing costs for consumers

Increasing flexibility and availability

Not requiring for things to happen in real time (asynchronous therapy)

What mental health apps are getting wrong

McDonaldization and commoditization

Proprietary treatment methods and incentives for specific worksheets or staying within the app

Misalignment between the goals of the client and the goals of the corporation

Self-driven, leading to folks to potentially getting insufficient resources

Individual versus community focus

Caseloads and potential for therapist income (as well as burnout and poor care)

Concerns about the additional risks that can happen with mental health apps

The apps are not bound by HIPAA, but instead the SEC

Data sharing and Alexa suggesting supplements to address client mental health concerns

Additional legal and ethical risks

Who is using app-based mental health services?

Therapy veterans are moving to apps

Access is not actually improved

The reasons that clients are moving from a traditional therapist to therapy apps

Outcomes across different types of apps and different types of clients

Niche apps are more effective than generalist apps

What we can do to move our therapist practices forward?
Using the benefits of technology to decrease friction for your clients accessing therapists

Increasing flexibility and creativity

Be a better therapist and understanding the digital therapeutic alliance

Paying attention to laws and ethics, scope of practice, and treatment planning

Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide
Hey modern therapists, we’re so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!
 Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.
You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse
Continuing Education Approvals:
When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: Continuing Education Information</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Beyond Reimagination: Improving your client outcomes by understanding what big tech is doing right (and wrong) with mental health apps</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the big tech “disruptors” in the mental health space and what therapists can learn from their tactics to support clients. We look at who is using mental health apps, what mental health apps are getting right (and wrong), and how therapists can take what is working and work differently to more effectively serve our own clients. This is a continuing education podcourse.</p><p>Looking at the gaps in mental health treatment and how big tech is working to “fix” them</p><ul>
<li>Exploring the goals from the Rand report on fixing mental healthcare in the United States</li>
<li>Mental Health apps (with many broad definitions)</li>
<li>Access to lots of different types of services and self-help</li>
<li>A one stop shop with a full range of services</li>
<li>Direct negotiation with insurance companies</li>
</ul><p>The types of technology used in mental health apps and the risks and benefits of these advances</p><ul>
<li>Algorithms</li>
<li>Geo location data</li>
<li>Complex payment structures</li>
<li>Outcomes and feedback</li>
</ul><p>What mental health apps are doing well for clients</p><ul>
<li>Getting clients into therapy much more quickly</li>
<li>Decreasing costs for consumers</li>
<li>Increasing flexibility and availability</li>
<li>Not requiring for things to happen in real time (asynchronous therapy)</li>
</ul><p>What mental health apps are getting wrong</p><ul>
<li>McDonaldization and commoditization</li>
<li>Proprietary treatment methods and incentives for specific worksheets or staying within the app</li>
<li>Misalignment between the goals of the client and the goals of the corporation</li>
<li>Self-driven, leading to folks to potentially getting insufficient resources</li>
<li>Individual versus community focus</li>
<li>Caseloads and potential for therapist income (as well as burnout and poor care)</li>
</ul><p>Concerns about the additional risks that can happen with mental health apps</p><ul>
<li>The apps are not bound by HIPAA, but instead the SEC</li>
<li>Data sharing and Alexa suggesting supplements to address client mental health concerns</li>
<li>Additional legal and ethical risks</li>
</ul><p>Who is using app-based mental health services?</p><ul>
<li>Therapy veterans are moving to apps</li>
<li>Access is not actually improved</li>
<li>The reasons that clients are moving from a traditional therapist to therapy apps</li>
<li>Outcomes across different types of apps and different types of clients</li>
<li>Niche apps are more effective than generalist apps</li>
</ul><p>What we can do to move our therapist practices forward?</p><p>Using the benefits of technology to decrease friction for your clients accessing therapists</p><ul>
<li>Increasing flexibility and creativity</li>
<li>Be a better therapist and understanding the digital therapeutic alliance</li>
<li>Paying attention to laws and ethics, scope of practice, and treatment planning</li>
</ul><p>Receive Continuing Education for this Episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</p><p>Hey modern therapists, we’re so excited to offer the opportunity for 1 unit of continuing education for this podcast episode – Therapy Reimagined is bringing you the Modern Therapist Learning Community!</p><p> Once you’ve listened to this episode, to get CE credit you just need to go to <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a>, register for your free profile, purchase this course, pass the post-test, and complete the evaluation! Once that’s all completed - you’ll get a CE certificate in your profile or you can download it for your records. For our current list of CE approvals, check out moderntherapistcommunity.com.</p><p>You can find this full course (including handouts and resources) here: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse</a></p><p>Continuing Education Approvals:</p><p>When we are airing this podcast episode, we have the following CE approval. Please check back as we add other approval bodies: <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/continuing-education">Continuing Education Information</a></p>]]>
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      <title>The Risks and Consequences of Failing to Report Child Abuse</title>
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      <description>The Risks and Consequences of Failing to Report Child Abuse
Curt and Katie discuss the CA Board of Behavioral Sciences case against Barbara Dixon, LMFT who failed to report child abuse for Gabriel Fernandez and Anthony Avalos who both subsequently died from abuse by caregivers. We look at what this therapist missed as well as appropriate child abuse reporting, including the nuance of when to report. CW: details of child abuse discussed.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the importance of child abuse reporting
We talk about the failure to report abuse by Barbara Dixon, LMFT that has recently been in the news related to the deaths of Gabriel Fernandez and Anthony Avalos.
The case related to the child abuse death of Gabriel Fernandez


Content Warning: Details of the case, including the actions taken (and not taken) by Barbara Dixon, LMFT

The decision-making process with child abuse reporting

Who is responsible to decide to report child abuse – the clinician or the supervisor?

When supervisors or agencies tell clinicians under supervision not to report child abuse report

The individual responsibility that each clinician holds

The myth that you’re working “under” your supervisor’s license

How do you decide whether you should report child abuse?

Clarity from child abuse reporting laws

Hesitation based on systemic response, the therapeutic relationship, and the paperwork hassle

Where there are gray areas and nuance

The consequences of failing to report child abuse or adequately document services or risks

Your agency or supervisor may not be held liable for your actions (especially if you don’t document what you did)

Incomplete documentation hurts – it doesn’t help you hide from liability

Appropriate Child Abuse Assessment and Reporting

Interviewing the child separately

Following up on what you’ve asked for

Understanding at what point it becomes our responsibility (i.e., having sufficient information)

Documenting each stage and make sure to appropriately close out treatment file when needed

Consultation and not making the decision on your own

Defining the injury and assess from there

Understanding normal childhood response to typical life events (and noting changes)

Navigating the gray areas in child abuse assessment

Looking at impact, intent, and injury

Using the context to help decide when there isn’t a definitive line

Adequately documenting, even when you aren’t sure you’re making the right decision, is important and necessary

Looking at what needs systemic intervention and what needs family therapy

Getting past the discomfort to report child abuse report

It is your responsibility

Taking a moment to understand the purpose of reporting

Reducing your own liability

Obtaining resources for families

Understanding the risk for families of systems getting involved

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Los Angeles Times Article: Counselor who didn’t report abuse of Gabriel Fernandez, Anthony Avalos put on 4-year probation
 Citation/Enforcement Decision on Barbara Dixon
 LA Times Article: Charges dismissed against social workers linked to Gabriel Fernandez’s killing
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Now Modern Therapists Have to Document Every F*cking Thing in Our Progress Notes?
 Do Therapists Curse in Session?
 Toxic Work Environments
 Giving and Getting Good Supervision
 Make Your Paperwork Meaningful: An interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey Hall
 Noteworthy Documentation: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT
 CYA for Court: An interview with Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW</description>
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      <itunes:summary>The Risks and Consequences of Failing to Report Child Abuse
Curt and Katie discuss the CA Board of Behavioral Sciences case against Barbara Dixon, LMFT who failed to report child abuse for Gabriel Fernandez and Anthony Avalos who both subsequently died from abuse by caregivers. We look at what this therapist missed as well as appropriate child abuse reporting, including the nuance of when to report. CW: details of child abuse discussed.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about the importance of child abuse reporting
We talk about the failure to report abuse by Barbara Dixon, LMFT that has recently been in the news related to the deaths of Gabriel Fernandez and Anthony Avalos.
The case related to the child abuse death of Gabriel Fernandez


Content Warning: Details of the case, including the actions taken (and not taken) by Barbara Dixon, LMFT

The decision-making process with child abuse reporting

Who is responsible to decide to report child abuse – the clinician or the supervisor?

When supervisors or agencies tell clinicians under supervision not to report child abuse report

The individual responsibility that each clinician holds

The myth that you’re working “under” your supervisor’s license

How do you decide whether you should report child abuse?

Clarity from child abuse reporting laws

Hesitation based on systemic response, the therapeutic relationship, and the paperwork hassle

Where there are gray areas and nuance

The consequences of failing to report child abuse or adequately document services or risks

Your agency or supervisor may not be held liable for your actions (especially if you don’t document what you did)

Incomplete documentation hurts – it doesn’t help you hide from liability

Appropriate Child Abuse Assessment and Reporting

Interviewing the child separately

Following up on what you’ve asked for

Understanding at what point it becomes our responsibility (i.e., having sufficient information)

Documenting each stage and make sure to appropriately close out treatment file when needed

Consultation and not making the decision on your own

Defining the injury and assess from there

Understanding normal childhood response to typical life events (and noting changes)

Navigating the gray areas in child abuse assessment

Looking at impact, intent, and injury

Using the context to help decide when there isn’t a definitive line

Adequately documenting, even when you aren’t sure you’re making the right decision, is important and necessary

Looking at what needs systemic intervention and what needs family therapy

Getting past the discomfort to report child abuse report

It is your responsibility

Taking a moment to understand the purpose of reporting

Reducing your own liability

Obtaining resources for families

Understanding the risk for families of systems getting involved

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Los Angeles Times Article: Counselor who didn’t report abuse of Gabriel Fernandez, Anthony Avalos put on 4-year probation
 Citation/Enforcement Decision on Barbara Dixon
 LA Times Article: Charges dismissed against social workers linked to Gabriel Fernandez’s killing
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Now Modern Therapists Have to Document Every F*cking Thing in Our Progress Notes?
 Do Therapists Curse in Session?
 Toxic Work Environments
 Giving and Getting Good Supervision
 Make Your Paperwork Meaningful: An interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey Hall
 Noteworthy Documentation: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT
 CYA for Court: An interview with Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW</itunes:summary>
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<em>Content Warning</em>: Details of the case, including the actions taken (and not taken) by Barbara Dixon, LMFT</li>
<li>The decision-making process with child abuse reporting</li>
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<li>When supervisors or agencies tell clinicians under supervision not to report child abuse report</li>
<li>The individual responsibility that each clinician holds</li>
<li>The myth that you’re working “under” your supervisor’s license</li>
</ul><p>How do you decide whether you should report child abuse?</p><ul>
<li>Clarity from child abuse reporting laws</li>
<li>Hesitation based on systemic response, the therapeutic relationship, and the paperwork hassle</li>
<li>Where there are gray areas and nuance</li>
</ul><p>The consequences of failing to report child abuse or adequately document services or risks</p><ul>
<li>Your agency or supervisor may not be held liable for your actions (especially if you don’t document what you did)</li>
<li>Incomplete documentation hurts – it doesn’t help you hide from liability</li>
</ul><p>Appropriate Child Abuse Assessment and Reporting</p><ul>
<li>Interviewing the child separately</li>
<li>Following up on what you’ve asked for</li>
<li>Understanding at what point it becomes our responsibility (i.e., having sufficient information)</li>
<li>Documenting each stage and make sure to appropriately close out treatment file when needed</li>
<li>Consultation and not making the decision on your own</li>
<li>Defining the injury and assess from there</li>
<li>Understanding normal childhood response to typical life events (and noting changes)</li>
</ul><p>Navigating the gray areas in child abuse assessment</p><ul>
<li>Looking at impact, intent, and injury</li>
<li>Using the context to help decide when there isn’t a definitive line</li>
<li>Adequately documenting, even when you aren’t sure you’re making the right decision, is important and necessary</li>
<li>Looking at what needs systemic intervention and what needs family therapy</li>
</ul><p>Getting past the discomfort to report child abuse report</p><ul>
<li>It is your responsibility</li>
<li>Taking a moment to understand the purpose of reporting</li>
<li>Reducing your own liability</li>
<li>Obtaining resources for families</li>
<li>Understanding the risk for families of systems getting involved</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-04-13/gabriel-fernandez-anthony-avalos-abuse-reporting-counselor-probation"> Los Angeles Times Article: Counselor who didn’t report abuse of Gabriel Fernandez, Anthony Avalos put on 4-year probation</a></p><p><a href="https://search.dca.ca.gov/details/2001/LMFT/90853/e65579b7c7113f0b06a0c1f299a6d80c#pr"> Citation/Enforcement Decision on Barbara Dixon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-15/charges-against-the-social-workers-linked-to-gabriel-fernandez-killing-will-be-dropped"> LA Times Article: Charges dismissed against social workers linked to Gabriel Fernandez’s killing</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/now-modern-therapists-need-to-document-every-fcking-thing-in-our-progress-notes/"> Now Modern Therapists Have to Document Every F*cking Thing in Our Progress Notes?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/do-therapists-curse-in-session/"> Do Therapists Curse in Session?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/toxic-work-environments/"> Toxic Work Environments</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/giving-and-getting-good-supervision/"> Giving and Getting Good Supervision</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/make-your-paperwork-meaningful/"> Make Your Paperwork Meaningful: An interview with Dr. Maelisa McCaffrey Hall</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/noteworthy-documentation/"> Noteworthy Documentation: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/cya-for-court/"> CYA for Court: An interview with Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Should Therapists Correct Clients?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/should-therapists-correct-clients</link>
      <description>Should Therapists Correct Clients?
Curt and Katie chat about whether therapists should correct clients who use offensive language. We look at what we should consider when addressing what clients say (including treatment goals and the relationship), how therapists can take care of themselves to be able to treat clients who hold a different worldview, and how (and when) therapists can address problematic language appropriately.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about whether therapists should call out their clients on words they find inappropriate
We decided to address the language that clients use in session and what to do when we find the language offensive or harmful.
Should therapists correct clients when they use language we find offensive or harmful?

Blank slate or “join your clients” approaches

Whether the language should be addressed when it doesn’t align with a client’s stated treatment goals

Showing up as a human and addressing the therapeutic relationship

Judgment or shaming that can happen with clients

What should therapists consider when addressing what clients say?

The relationship between the therapist and client

Relevance to clinical goals

The impact on trust in the therapeutic alliance

The importance of using the client’s language to affirm their experience

The power differential between therapist and client

How can therapists show up with clients who see the world differently than they do?

Addressing objectification of therapist’s identities

Assessing when therapists are centering their own experience versus responding to what is in the room

Using the relationship to process client’s perspective

What can therapists do to appropriately address problematic language with their clients?

Process what is being said before correcting specific words

Address within the relationship and within the treatment goals

Using our own coping skills to be able to navigate what our clients bring to session

Where social justice plays a role (and maybe shouldn’t)

Education and supporting the client’s whole development

Assessing the impact of these interventions (both positive and negative)

Assessing the harm in not pointing out bias or harmful language

 
 Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Therapist–Client Language Matching: Initial Promise as a Measure of Therapist–Client Relationship Quality
 Feedback Informed Treatment
 
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Do Therapists Curse in Session?
 How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically)
 How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically) part 1.5
 When is it Discrimination?
 Conspiracy Theories in Your Office</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Should Therapists Correct Clients?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Should Therapists Correct Clients?
Curt and Katie chat about whether therapists should correct clients who use offensive language. We look at what we should consider when addressing what clients say (including treatment goals and the relationship), how therapists can take care of themselves to be able to treat clients who hold a different worldview, and how (and when) therapists can address problematic language appropriately.
Transcripts for this episode will be available at mtsgpodcast.com!
In this podcast episode we talk about whether therapists should call out their clients on words they find inappropriate
We decided to address the language that clients use in session and what to do when we find the language offensive or harmful.
Should therapists correct clients when they use language we find offensive or harmful?

Blank slate or “join your clients” approaches

Whether the language should be addressed when it doesn’t align with a client’s stated treatment goals

Showing up as a human and addressing the therapeutic relationship

Judgment or shaming that can happen with clients

What should therapists consider when addressing what clients say?

The relationship between the therapist and client

Relevance to clinical goals

The impact on trust in the therapeutic alliance

The importance of using the client’s language to affirm their experience

The power differential between therapist and client

How can therapists show up with clients who see the world differently than they do?

Addressing objectification of therapist’s identities

Assessing when therapists are centering their own experience versus responding to what is in the room

Using the relationship to process client’s perspective

What can therapists do to appropriately address problematic language with their clients?

Process what is being said before correcting specific words

Address within the relationship and within the treatment goals

Using our own coping skills to be able to navigate what our clients bring to session

Where social justice plays a role (and maybe shouldn’t)

Education and supporting the client’s whole development

Assessing the impact of these interventions (both positive and negative)

Assessing the harm in not pointing out bias or harmful language

 
 Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Therapist–Client Language Matching: Initial Promise as a Measure of Therapist–Client Relationship Quality
 Feedback Informed Treatment
 
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Do Therapists Curse in Session?
 How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically)
 How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically) part 1.5
 When is it Discrimination?
 Conspiracy Theories in Your Office</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Should Therapists Correct Clients?</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about whether therapists should correct clients who use offensive language. We look at what we should consider when addressing what clients say (including treatment goals and the relationship), how therapists can take care of themselves to be able to treat clients who hold a different worldview, and how (and when) therapists can address problematic language appropriately.</p><p><em>Transcripts for this episode will be available at</em> <a href="https://bit.ly/mtsgtranscripts"><em>mtsgpodcast.com</em></a><em>!</em></p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about whether therapists should call out their clients on words they find inappropriate</p><p>We decided to address the language that clients use in session and what to do when we find the language offensive or harmful.</p><p>Should therapists correct clients when they use language we find offensive or harmful?</p><ul>
<li>Blank slate or “join your clients” approaches</li>
<li>Whether the language should be addressed when it doesn’t align with a client’s stated treatment goals</li>
<li>Showing up as a human and addressing the therapeutic relationship</li>
<li>Judgment or shaming that can happen with clients</li>
</ul><p>What should therapists consider when addressing what clients say?</p><ul>
<li>The relationship between the therapist and client</li>
<li>Relevance to clinical goals</li>
<li>The impact on trust in the therapeutic alliance</li>
<li>The importance of using the client’s language to affirm their experience</li>
<li>The power differential between therapist and client</li>
</ul><p>How can therapists show up with clients who see the world differently than they do?</p><ul>
<li>Addressing objectification of therapist’s identities</li>
<li>Assessing when therapists are centering their own experience versus responding to what is in the room</li>
<li>Using the relationship to process client’s perspective</li>
</ul><p>What can therapists do to appropriately address problematic language with their clients?</p><ul>
<li>Process what is being said before correcting specific words</li>
<li>Address within the relationship and within the treatment goals</li>
<li>Using our own coping skills to be able to navigate what our clients bring to session</li>
<li>Where social justice plays a role (and maybe shouldn’t)</li>
<li>Education and supporting the client’s whole development</li>
<li>Assessing the impact of these interventions (both positive and negative)</li>
<li>Assessing the harm in not pointing out bias or harmful language</li>
</ul><p> </p><p> Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6764769/">Therapist–Client Language Matching: Initial Promise as a Measure of Therapist–Client Relationship Quality</a></p><p><a href="https://www.scottdmiller.com/how-does-feedback-informed-treatment-work/"> Feedback Informed Treatment</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/do-therapists-curse-in-session/"> Do Therapists Curse in Session?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/how-to-fire-your-clients-ethically/"> How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically)</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/how-to-fire-your-clients-ethically-part-1-5/"> How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically) part 1.5</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/when-is-it-discrimination/"> When is it Discrimination?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/conspiracy-theories-in-your-office/"> Conspiracy Theories in Your Office</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Is the Counseling Compact Good for Therapists?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/is-the-counseling-compact-good-for-therapists</link>
      <description>Is the Counseling Compact Good for Therapists?
Curt and Katie chat about the brand-new Counseling Compact and what therapists may not know or understand about these interstate agreements. We explore the proposed benefits as well as the potential risks and complications like regulatory discrepancies and a lack of consumer protections. We also look at how big tech can benefit while individual clinicians may be left unable to compete in a larger market.
In this podcast episode we talk about the new Counseling Compact and Psypact
The counselors got their 10th state and officially have Counseling Compact to practice in other states. We thought it would be a good idea to talk about what that means (and what we might want to pay attention to).
What is the Counseling Compact?

Opportunities for practicing privileges (not licensure) in other states

The complexity of putting together these interstate compacts

Implementation and regulation hurdles

Scope of practice discrepancies and concerns

Law and Ethics practices across states

Benefits of Interstate Compacts for Mental Health Providers

Continuity of care

Ease of meeting with clients who are moving around the country

Bringing clinicians to areas where there is a workforce shortage

Potential Problems with the Counseling Compact

Not bringing more clinicians, if only states with workforce shortages join

Doesn’t solve the infrastructure problems (i.e., stable Wi-Fi) for rural areas that typically don’t have local therapists

The people who most benefit: the big tech companies like Better Help

The FBI is opposing this legislation due to lack of federal background checks

Lack of consumer protection or consistency in what consumers can expect from their therapist

Costs for the therapists to get practicing privileges

Large gigantic group practices and tech solutions will contract with insurance and leave smaller practices unable to compete and required to be private pay

Solving the Problems with the Counseling Compact

Overarching regulation and expectations at a national level

Federal bodies to oversee background checks and consumer protections

Expensive, time-intensive

We don’t have universal healthcare, so insurance parity will need to be addressed (and not just by big tech)

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Counseling Compact
Psypact
Very Bad Therapy Podcast
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Special Series: Fixing Mental Healthcare in America
 Fixing Mental Health in America: An interview with Dr. Nicole Eberhart, Senior Behavioral Scientist, and Dr. Ryan McBain, Policy Researcher, The RAND Corporation
 Online Therapy Apps
 Why You Shouldn’t Sell Out to Better Help
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      <pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Is the Counseling Compact Good for Therapists?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Is the Counseling Compact Good for Therapists? Curt and Katie chat about the brand-new Counseling Compact and what therapists may not know or understand about these interstate agreements. We explore the proposed benefits as well as the potential risks...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is the Counseling Compact Good for Therapists?
Curt and Katie chat about the brand-new Counseling Compact and what therapists may not know or understand about these interstate agreements. We explore the proposed benefits as well as the potential risks and complications like regulatory discrepancies and a lack of consumer protections. We also look at how big tech can benefit while individual clinicians may be left unable to compete in a larger market.
In this podcast episode we talk about the new Counseling Compact and Psypact
The counselors got their 10th state and officially have Counseling Compact to practice in other states. We thought it would be a good idea to talk about what that means (and what we might want to pay attention to).
What is the Counseling Compact?

Opportunities for practicing privileges (not licensure) in other states

The complexity of putting together these interstate compacts

Implementation and regulation hurdles

Scope of practice discrepancies and concerns

Law and Ethics practices across states

Benefits of Interstate Compacts for Mental Health Providers

Continuity of care

Ease of meeting with clients who are moving around the country

Bringing clinicians to areas where there is a workforce shortage

Potential Problems with the Counseling Compact

Not bringing more clinicians, if only states with workforce shortages join

Doesn’t solve the infrastructure problems (i.e., stable Wi-Fi) for rural areas that typically don’t have local therapists

The people who most benefit: the big tech companies like Better Help

The FBI is opposing this legislation due to lack of federal background checks

Lack of consumer protection or consistency in what consumers can expect from their therapist

Costs for the therapists to get practicing privileges

Large gigantic group practices and tech solutions will contract with insurance and leave smaller practices unable to compete and required to be private pay

Solving the Problems with the Counseling Compact

Overarching regulation and expectations at a national level

Federal bodies to oversee background checks and consumer protections

Expensive, time-intensive

We don’t have universal healthcare, so insurance parity will need to be addressed (and not just by big tech)

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Counseling Compact
Psypact
Very Bad Therapy Podcast
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Special Series: Fixing Mental Healthcare in America
 Fixing Mental Health in America: An interview with Dr. Nicole Eberhart, Senior Behavioral Scientist, and Dr. Ryan McBain, Policy Researcher, The RAND Corporation
 Online Therapy Apps
 Why You Shouldn’t Sell Out to Better Help
 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Is the Counseling Compact Good for Therapists?</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the brand-new Counseling Compact and what therapists may not know or understand about these interstate agreements. We explore the proposed benefits as well as the potential risks and complications like regulatory discrepancies and a lack of consumer protections. We also look at how big tech can benefit while individual clinicians may be left unable to compete in a larger market.</p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about the new Counseling Compact and Psypact</p><p>The counselors got their 10th state and officially have Counseling Compact to practice in other states. We thought it would be a good idea to talk about what that means (and what we might want to pay attention to).</p><p>What is the Counseling Compact?</p><ul>
<li>Opportunities for practicing privileges (not licensure) in other states</li>
<li>The complexity of putting together these interstate compacts</li>
<li>Implementation and regulation hurdles</li>
<li>Scope of practice discrepancies and concerns</li>
<li>Law and Ethics practices across states</li>
</ul><p>Benefits of Interstate Compacts for Mental Health Providers</p><ul>
<li>Continuity of care</li>
<li>Ease of meeting with clients who are moving around the country</li>
<li>Bringing clinicians to areas where there is a workforce shortage</li>
</ul><p>Potential Problems with the Counseling Compact</p><ul>
<li>Not bringing more clinicians, if only states with workforce shortages join</li>
<li>Doesn’t solve the infrastructure problems (i.e., stable Wi-Fi) for rural areas that typically don’t have local therapists</li>
<li>The people who most benefit: the big tech companies like Better Help</li>
<li>The FBI is opposing this legislation due to lack of federal background checks</li>
<li>Lack of consumer protection or consistency in what consumers can expect from their therapist</li>
<li>Costs for the therapists to get practicing privileges</li>
<li>Large gigantic group practices and tech solutions will contract with insurance and leave smaller practices unable to compete and required to be private pay</li>
</ul><p>Solving the Problems with the Counseling Compact</p><ul>
<li>Overarching regulation and expectations at a national level</li>
<li>Federal bodies to oversee background checks and consumer protections</li>
<li>Expensive, time-intensive</li>
<li>We don’t have universal healthcare, so insurance parity will need to be addressed (and not just by big tech)</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://counselingcompact.org/">Counseling Compact</a></p><p><a href="https://psypact.site-ym.com/">Psypact</a></p><p><a href="https://www.verybadtherapy.com/">Very Bad Therapy Podcast</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/topics/special-series-fixing-mental-healthcare-in-america/"> Special Series: Fixing Mental Healthcare in America</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/fixing-mental-healthcare-in-america/"> Fixing Mental Health in America: An interview with Dr. Nicole Eberhart, Senior Behavioral Scientist, and Dr. Ryan McBain, Policy Researcher, The RAND Corporation</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/online-therapy-apps/"> Online Therapy Apps</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/why-you-shouldnt-sell-out-to-betterhelp/"> Why You Shouldn’t Sell Out to Better Help</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Clinical Considerations When Working with Asian Immigrants, Refugees, and Dreamers: An Interview with Soo Jin Lee</title>
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      <description>Clinical Considerations When Working with Asian Immigrants, Refugees, and Dreamers: An Interview with Soo Jin Lee
Curt and Katie interview Soo Jin Lee, LMFT on the clinical implications of working with Asian American immigrants, refugees, and dreamers. We explore how best to assess these clients, specific clinical considerations related to the immigration experience (and legal status in the country), and ideas for working with these clients clinically. We also talk about the impact of societal views, media portrayals, and representation on AAPI clients.
An Interview with Soo Jin Lee, LMFT
Soo Jin Lee is a co-director of Yellow Chair Collective and co-founder of Entwine Community. She is a licensed marriage and family therapist in CA and has a special focus on training and consulting on Asian mental health related issues. She is passionate about assisting individuals find a sense of belonging and identity through reckoning of intersectional identity work and those that are navigating through difficult life changes.
 
In this podcast episode, we talk about what therapists should know about Asian American immigrants, refugees, and dreamers
In preparation for Asian American Pacific Islander Heritage month, we wanted to dig more deeply into specific issues relevant to the AAPI community that are often not discussed in grad school or therapist training programs.
What assessment questions should be included for AAPI immigrant clients?

How to assess and ask about the immigration story (including about whether someone is documented or undocumented)

The assumption of citizenship status during the assessment

Exploration of cultural values and family dynamics

The definitions for refugee, asylum seekers, immigrant, undocumented immigrant, dreamer

Looking at reasons behind coming to the United States as well as legal status in the country

 
What is the impact of societal views and media portrayals of Asians on AAPI clients?

The common stereotypes and the gap in the representation in the Asian diaspora

The typical portrayal of undocumented immigrants from Latin America, Mexico, etc.

Lack of representation in the media of the broad experience of being an undocumented immigrant or refugee

The misrepresentation of families being all documented or undocumented (it’s actually a mix of statuses)

Language, cultural and values differences between the generations

 
What are the unique clinical issues for refugees and undocumented immigrants?

The uncertainty of staying in the country

The hidden traumas and the fear of being kicked out

The lack of planning for the future

Education and financial barriers to pursuing the future

Trauma and PTSD are key elements, but sharing the story means that their survival is at risk

 
How do therapists more effectively work with refugees and undocumented immigrants in therapy?

The fear and risk involved in disclosure and the challenge of talking about identity

Exploring their story creatively, without nitpicking or having to interrogate or make them verbalize their story

The importance of building trust and building a safe space within therapy

Bringing the mainstream media into the session

Addressing fear and decision-making

Soo Jin Lee’s healing journey to become a therapist and advice for other dreamers </description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Clinical Considerations When Working with Asian Immigrants, Refugees, and Dreamers: An Interview with Soo Jin Lee</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Clinical Considerations When Working with Asian Immigrants, Refugees, and Dreamers: An Interview with Soo Jin Lee Curt and Katie interview Soo Jin Lee, LMFT on the clinical implications of working with Asian American immigrants, refugees, and...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Clinical Considerations When Working with Asian Immigrants, Refugees, and Dreamers: An Interview with Soo Jin Lee
Curt and Katie interview Soo Jin Lee, LMFT on the clinical implications of working with Asian American immigrants, refugees, and dreamers. We explore how best to assess these clients, specific clinical considerations related to the immigration experience (and legal status in the country), and ideas for working with these clients clinically. We also talk about the impact of societal views, media portrayals, and representation on AAPI clients.
An Interview with Soo Jin Lee, LMFT
Soo Jin Lee is a co-director of Yellow Chair Collective and co-founder of Entwine Community. She is a licensed marriage and family therapist in CA and has a special focus on training and consulting on Asian mental health related issues. She is passionate about assisting individuals find a sense of belonging and identity through reckoning of intersectional identity work and those that are navigating through difficult life changes.
 
In this podcast episode, we talk about what therapists should know about Asian American immigrants, refugees, and dreamers
In preparation for Asian American Pacific Islander Heritage month, we wanted to dig more deeply into specific issues relevant to the AAPI community that are often not discussed in grad school or therapist training programs.
What assessment questions should be included for AAPI immigrant clients?

How to assess and ask about the immigration story (including about whether someone is documented or undocumented)

The assumption of citizenship status during the assessment

Exploration of cultural values and family dynamics

The definitions for refugee, asylum seekers, immigrant, undocumented immigrant, dreamer

Looking at reasons behind coming to the United States as well as legal status in the country

 
What is the impact of societal views and media portrayals of Asians on AAPI clients?

The common stereotypes and the gap in the representation in the Asian diaspora

The typical portrayal of undocumented immigrants from Latin America, Mexico, etc.

Lack of representation in the media of the broad experience of being an undocumented immigrant or refugee

The misrepresentation of families being all documented or undocumented (it’s actually a mix of statuses)

Language, cultural and values differences between the generations

 
What are the unique clinical issues for refugees and undocumented immigrants?

The uncertainty of staying in the country

The hidden traumas and the fear of being kicked out

The lack of planning for the future

Education and financial barriers to pursuing the future

Trauma and PTSD are key elements, but sharing the story means that their survival is at risk

 
How do therapists more effectively work with refugees and undocumented immigrants in therapy?

The fear and risk involved in disclosure and the challenge of talking about identity

Exploring their story creatively, without nitpicking or having to interrogate or make them verbalize their story

The importance of building trust and building a safe space within therapy

Bringing the mainstream media into the session

Addressing fear and decision-making

Soo Jin Lee’s healing journey to become a therapist and advice for other dreamers </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Clinical Considerations When Working with Asian Immigrants, Refugees, and Dreamers: An Interview with Soo Jin Lee</p><p>Curt and Katie interview Soo Jin Lee, LMFT on the clinical implications of working with Asian American immigrants, refugees, and dreamers. We explore how best to assess these clients, specific clinical considerations related to the immigration experience (and legal status in the country), and ideas for working with these clients clinically. We also talk about the impact of societal views, media portrayals, and representation on AAPI clients.</p><p>An Interview with Soo Jin Lee, LMFT</p><p>Soo Jin Lee is a co-director of Yellow Chair Collective and co-founder of Entwine Community. She is a licensed marriage and family therapist in CA and has a special focus on training and consulting on Asian mental health related issues. She is passionate about assisting individuals find a sense of belonging and identity through reckoning of intersectional identity work and those that are navigating through difficult life changes.</p><p> </p><p>In this podcast episode, we talk about what therapists should know about Asian American immigrants, refugees, and dreamers</p><p>In preparation for Asian American Pacific Islander Heritage month, we wanted to dig more deeply into specific issues relevant to the AAPI community that are often not discussed in grad school or therapist training programs.</p><p>What assessment questions should be included for AAPI immigrant clients?</p><ul>
<li>How to assess and ask about the immigration story (including about whether someone is documented or undocumented)</li>
<li>The assumption of citizenship status during the assessment</li>
<li>Exploration of cultural values and family dynamics</li>
<li>The definitions for refugee, asylum seekers, immigrant, undocumented immigrant, dreamer</li>
<li>Looking at reasons behind coming to the United States as well as legal status in the country</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>What is the impact of societal views and media portrayals of Asians on AAPI clients?</p><ul>
<li>The common stereotypes and the gap in the representation in the Asian diaspora</li>
<li>The typical portrayal of undocumented immigrants from Latin America, Mexico, etc.</li>
<li>Lack of representation in the media of the broad experience of being an undocumented immigrant or refugee</li>
<li>The misrepresentation of families being all documented or undocumented (it’s actually a mix of statuses)</li>
<li>Language, cultural and values differences between the generations</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>What are the unique clinical issues for refugees and undocumented immigrants?</p><ul>
<li>The uncertainty of staying in the country</li>
<li>The hidden traumas and the fear of being kicked out</li>
<li>The lack of planning for the future</li>
<li>Education and financial barriers to pursuing the future</li>
<li>Trauma and PTSD are key elements, but sharing the story means that their survival is at risk</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>How do therapists more effectively work with refugees and undocumented immigrants in therapy?</p><ul>
<li>The fear and risk involved in disclosure and the challenge of talking about identity</li>
<li>Exploring their story creatively, without nitpicking or having to interrogate or make them verbalize their story</li>
<li>The importance of building trust and building a safe space within therapy</li>
<li>Bringing the mainstream media into the session</li>
<li>Addressing fear and decision-making</li>
<li>Soo Jin Lee’s healing journey to become a therapist and advice for other dreamers </li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Reflections on Content Creation and the Therapy Profession</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/reflections-on-content-creation-and-the-therapy-profession</link>
      <description>Reflections on Content Creation and the Therapy Profession
Curt and Katie chat about our principles and philosophies as they relate to the work we do, including podcast creation. We also reflect on the feedback we’ve received on episodes with large listenership as well as other typical responses we get to the work we do. Considering content creation as part of your business? This isn’t a how-to, but it certainly can give you things to consider before you dive in.
In this podcast episode we talk about how we put together the podcast
We’ve received a lot of feedback recently about our episodes and we wanted to talk about how we make decisions on what we talk about, who we interview, whether we call folks out on the podcast, and how we edit the episodes.
Our Philosophy and Principles for creating content for the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide

How to navigate the career as is (tools and strategies to survive in this field)

The importance of advocacy in moving forward with our field

How to strategically time advocacy for best effect

How we take in feedback and respond

Responding to Feedback from our Audience on our “What’s New in the DSM-5-TR?” Episode

The concern about the Autism diagnosis changes

Whether we should have called out Dr. Michael B. First and the impressions of what was said

Grappling with the tension between protecting our audience and getting our guests on record and/or advocating for change in the larger systems

How people can impact what becomes DSM 6 (and the efforts we are advocating for)

The feedback we received and how we sort through it and improve

The limits of our capacity

Our plans for additional interviews to address the changes

A Broader View of the Feedback We Receive on the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Podcast

The depth of the conversation and our ability to deepen conversations with additional episodes

Audience members anchoring on the title or episode artwork and not looking at the whole episode when pieces of the content resonate in a different way

Our Plan Going Forward with the Podcast

Advocacy, information, and focus on the profession

Not as much of a focus on business building, money mindset, and side hustles

Real conversations about the realities of working in this profession

Working to leave the profession better than we find it

 Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
The Therapy Reimagined Mission
Our Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 What’s New in the DSM-5-TR?
 A Living Wage for Prelicensees
 Mission Driven Work
 Therapists are Not Robots
 Why You Shouldn’t Sell Out to Better Help
 Advocacy in the Wake of Looming Healthcare Shortages</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Reflections on Content Creation and the Therapy Profession</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/7c40143c-690e-11ed-9001-076672fa8f1e/image/Episode_257.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Reflections on Content Creation and the Therapy Profession Curt and Katie chat about our principles and philosophies as they relate to the work we do, including podcast creation. We also reflect on the feedback we’ve received on episodes with large...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Reflections on Content Creation and the Therapy Profession
Curt and Katie chat about our principles and philosophies as they relate to the work we do, including podcast creation. We also reflect on the feedback we’ve received on episodes with large listenership as well as other typical responses we get to the work we do. Considering content creation as part of your business? This isn’t a how-to, but it certainly can give you things to consider before you dive in.
In this podcast episode we talk about how we put together the podcast
We’ve received a lot of feedback recently about our episodes and we wanted to talk about how we make decisions on what we talk about, who we interview, whether we call folks out on the podcast, and how we edit the episodes.
Our Philosophy and Principles for creating content for the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide

How to navigate the career as is (tools and strategies to survive in this field)

The importance of advocacy in moving forward with our field

How to strategically time advocacy for best effect

How we take in feedback and respond

Responding to Feedback from our Audience on our “What’s New in the DSM-5-TR?” Episode

The concern about the Autism diagnosis changes

Whether we should have called out Dr. Michael B. First and the impressions of what was said

Grappling with the tension between protecting our audience and getting our guests on record and/or advocating for change in the larger systems

How people can impact what becomes DSM 6 (and the efforts we are advocating for)

The feedback we received and how we sort through it and improve

The limits of our capacity

Our plans for additional interviews to address the changes

A Broader View of the Feedback We Receive on the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Podcast

The depth of the conversation and our ability to deepen conversations with additional episodes

Audience members anchoring on the title or episode artwork and not looking at the whole episode when pieces of the content resonate in a different way

Our Plan Going Forward with the Podcast

Advocacy, information, and focus on the profession

Not as much of a focus on business building, money mindset, and side hustles

Real conversations about the realities of working in this profession

Working to leave the profession better than we find it

 Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
The Therapy Reimagined Mission
Our Patreon
Buy Me A Coffee
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 What’s New in the DSM-5-TR?
 A Living Wage for Prelicensees
 Mission Driven Work
 Therapists are Not Robots
 Why You Shouldn’t Sell Out to Better Help
 Advocacy in the Wake of Looming Healthcare Shortages</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Reflections on Content Creation and the Therapy Profession</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about our principles and philosophies as they relate to the work we do, including podcast creation. We also reflect on the feedback we’ve received on episodes with large listenership as well as other typical responses we get to the work we do. Considering content creation as part of your business? This isn’t a how-to, but it certainly can give you things to consider before you dive in.</p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about how we put together the podcast</p><p>We’ve received a lot of feedback recently about our episodes and we wanted to talk about how we make decisions on what we talk about, who we interview, whether we call folks out on the podcast, and how we edit the episodes.</p><p>Our Philosophy and Principles for creating content for the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide</p><ul>
<li>How to navigate the career as is (tools and strategies to survive in this field)</li>
<li>The importance of advocacy in moving forward with our field</li>
<li>How to strategically time advocacy for best effect</li>
<li>How we take in feedback and respond</li>
</ul><p>Responding to Feedback from our Audience on our “What’s New in the DSM-5-TR?” Episode</p><ul>
<li>The concern about the Autism diagnosis changes</li>
<li>Whether we should have called out Dr. Michael B. First and the impressions of what was said</li>
<li>Grappling with the tension between protecting our audience and getting our guests on record and/or advocating for change in the larger systems</li>
<li>How people can impact what becomes DSM 6 (and the efforts we are advocating for)</li>
<li>The feedback we received and how we sort through it and improve</li>
<li>The limits of our capacity</li>
<li>Our plans for additional interviews to address the changes</li>
</ul><p>A Broader View of the Feedback We Receive on the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Podcast</p><ul>
<li>The depth of the conversation and our ability to deepen conversations with additional episodes</li>
<li>Audience members anchoring on the title or episode artwork and not looking at the whole episode when pieces of the content resonate in a different way</li>
</ul><p>Our Plan Going Forward with the Podcast</p><ul>
<li>Advocacy, information, and focus on the profession</li>
<li>Not as much of a focus on business building, money mindset, and side hustles</li>
<li>Real conversations about the realities of working in this profession</li>
<li>Working to leave the profession better than we find it</li>
</ul><p> Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/our-mission/">The Therapy Reimagined Mission</a></p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/mtsgpodcast">Our Patreon</a></p><p><a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist">Buy Me A Coffee</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/whats-new-in-the-dsm-5-tr-an-interview-with-dr-michael-b-first/"> What’s New in the DSM-5-TR?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/a-living-wage-for-prelicensees/"> A Living Wage for Prelicensees</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/mission-driven-work/"> Mission Driven Work</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapists-are-not-robots-how-we-can-show-humanity-in-the-room/"> Therapists are Not Robots</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/why-you-shouldnt-sell-out-to-betterhelp/"> Why You Shouldn’t Sell Out to Better Help</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/advocacy-in-the-wake-of-looming-mental-healthcare-workforce-shortages/"> Advocacy in the Wake of Looming Healthcare Shortages</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What is Eco Anxiety? An Interview with Dr. Thomas Doherty</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/what-is-eco-anxiety-an-interview-with-dr-thomas-doherty</link>
      <description>What is Eco Anxiety? An Interview with Dr. Thomas Doherty
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Thomas Doherty about Eco Anxiety. We look at the history of eco anxiety, what therapists should know about the environment, the concept of environmental identity, and how we can support clients with Eco Anxiety in therapy. We look at ways to bring these topics up with our clients as well as empower them to take action.
An Interview with Dr. Thomas J. Doherty
Thomas is a clinical and environmental psychologist based in Portland, Oregon, USA. His multiple publications on nature and mental health include the groundbreaking paper “The Psychological Impacts of Global Climate Change,” co-authored by Susan Clayton, cited over 700 times. Thomas is a fellow of the American Psychological Association (APA), Past President of the Society for Environmental, Population and Conservation Psychology, and Founding Editor of the academic journal Ecopsychology. Thomas was a member of the APA’s first Task Force on Global Climate Change and founded one of the first environmentally-focused certificate programs for mental health counselors in the US at Lewis &amp; Clark Graduate School. Thomas is originally from Buffalo, New York.
In this podcast episode we talk about what therapists should know about Eco Anxiety
In preparation for Earth Day, we wanted to understand more about Eco Anxiety and what therapists can do to support our clients and the planet.
What is Eco Anxiety?

The history of Eco Anxiety, including worry about the use of chemicals, climate change

The importance of words, personal experiences, how the client sees the world

The diagnoses that align with this area, the types of impacts on clients

What Should Therapists Know About the Environment?

Resources related to climate change

How to explore Environmental Identity

Understand our own Environmental Identity

The 3 basic psychological impacts from the environment (disaster, chronic, or ambient)

The benefits of nature and how people in all environments can access them

What is your Environmental Identity?

Relationship to the natural world

Significant experiences in the outdoors

The nuance of bringing these ideas up in Urban areas

What “nature” means to each of us

How Can We Support Clients with Eco Anxiety in Therapy?

Understanding the basics on the environment and climate change

Building capacity to be with these issues

Reeling in the anxiety, imagination

Understanding the waves of emotions and completing the anxiety cycle

Giving clients permission to talk about the environment and how to open up the conversations

Coping strategies specific to Eco Anxiety

Suggestions for activism and what clients can do to improve the environment

Helping clients to identify if they are doing enough

Where to find resources on environmental efforts

How therapists can employ climate awareness in their practices

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! Dr. Thomas Doherty's Practice Sustainable Self
Climate Change and Happiness Podcast
Dr. Thomas Doherty’s Consultation and Training Program on the Environment
 The Psychological Impacts of Global Climate Change by Thomas J. Doherty and Susan Clayton
 NY Times: Climate Change Enters the Therapy Room
Climate Psychology Alliance
Project Draw Down
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 What’s New in the DSM-5-TR with Dr. Michael B. First
 What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy part 1
 What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy part 2 (Law and Ethics)
 Shared Traumatic Experiences</description>
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      <itunes:title>What is Eco Anxiety? An Interview with Dr. Thomas Doherty</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What is Eco Anxiety? An Interview with Dr. Thomas Doherty Curt and Katie interview Dr. Thomas Doherty about Eco Anxiety. We look at the history of eco anxiety, what therapists should know about the environment, the concept of environmental...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What is Eco Anxiety? An Interview with Dr. Thomas Doherty
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Thomas Doherty about Eco Anxiety. We look at the history of eco anxiety, what therapists should know about the environment, the concept of environmental identity, and how we can support clients with Eco Anxiety in therapy. We look at ways to bring these topics up with our clients as well as empower them to take action.
An Interview with Dr. Thomas J. Doherty
Thomas is a clinical and environmental psychologist based in Portland, Oregon, USA. His multiple publications on nature and mental health include the groundbreaking paper “The Psychological Impacts of Global Climate Change,” co-authored by Susan Clayton, cited over 700 times. Thomas is a fellow of the American Psychological Association (APA), Past President of the Society for Environmental, Population and Conservation Psychology, and Founding Editor of the academic journal Ecopsychology. Thomas was a member of the APA’s first Task Force on Global Climate Change and founded one of the first environmentally-focused certificate programs for mental health counselors in the US at Lewis &amp; Clark Graduate School. Thomas is originally from Buffalo, New York.
In this podcast episode we talk about what therapists should know about Eco Anxiety
In preparation for Earth Day, we wanted to understand more about Eco Anxiety and what therapists can do to support our clients and the planet.
What is Eco Anxiety?

The history of Eco Anxiety, including worry about the use of chemicals, climate change

The importance of words, personal experiences, how the client sees the world

The diagnoses that align with this area, the types of impacts on clients

What Should Therapists Know About the Environment?

Resources related to climate change

How to explore Environmental Identity

Understand our own Environmental Identity

The 3 basic psychological impacts from the environment (disaster, chronic, or ambient)

The benefits of nature and how people in all environments can access them

What is your Environmental Identity?

Relationship to the natural world

Significant experiences in the outdoors

The nuance of bringing these ideas up in Urban areas

What “nature” means to each of us

How Can We Support Clients with Eco Anxiety in Therapy?

Understanding the basics on the environment and climate change

Building capacity to be with these issues

Reeling in the anxiety, imagination

Understanding the waves of emotions and completing the anxiety cycle

Giving clients permission to talk about the environment and how to open up the conversations

Coping strategies specific to Eco Anxiety

Suggestions for activism and what clients can do to improve the environment

Helping clients to identify if they are doing enough

Where to find resources on environmental efforts

How therapists can employ climate awareness in their practices

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! Dr. Thomas Doherty's Practice Sustainable Self
Climate Change and Happiness Podcast
Dr. Thomas Doherty’s Consultation and Training Program on the Environment
 The Psychological Impacts of Global Climate Change by Thomas J. Doherty and Susan Clayton
 NY Times: Climate Change Enters the Therapy Room
Climate Psychology Alliance
Project Draw Down
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 What’s New in the DSM-5-TR with Dr. Michael B. First
 What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy part 1
 What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy part 2 (Law and Ethics)
 Shared Traumatic Experiences</itunes:summary>
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<li>The history of Eco Anxiety, including worry about the use of chemicals, climate change</li>
<li>The importance of words, personal experiences, how the client sees the world</li>
<li>The diagnoses that align with this area, the types of impacts on clients</li>
</ul><p>What Should Therapists Know About the Environment?</p><ul>
<li>Resources related to climate change</li>
<li>How to explore Environmental Identity</li>
<li>Understand our own Environmental Identity</li>
<li>The 3 basic psychological impacts from the environment (disaster, chronic, or ambient)</li>
<li>The benefits of nature and how people in all environments can access them</li>
</ul><p>What is your Environmental Identity?</p><ul>
<li>Relationship to the natural world</li>
<li>Significant experiences in the outdoors</li>
<li>The nuance of bringing these ideas up in Urban areas</li>
<li>What “nature” means to each of us</li>
</ul><p>How Can We Support Clients with Eco Anxiety in Therapy?</p><ul>
<li>Understanding the basics on the environment and climate change</li>
<li>Building capacity to be with these issues</li>
<li>Reeling in the anxiety, imagination</li>
<li>Understanding the waves of emotions and completing the anxiety cycle</li>
<li>Giving clients permission to talk about the environment and how to open up the conversations</li>
<li>Coping strategies specific to Eco Anxiety</li>
<li>Suggestions for activism and what clients can do to improve the environment</li>
<li>Helping clients to identify if they are doing enough</li>
<li>Where to find resources on environmental efforts</li>
<li>How therapists can employ climate awareness in their practices</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! <a href="https://selfsustain.com/">Dr. Thomas Doherty's Practice Sustainable Self</a></p><p><a href="https://climatechangeandhappiness.com/">Climate Change and Happiness Podcast</a></p><p><a href="https://selfsustain.com/eco-and-climate-therapy-consultation/">Dr. Thomas Doherty’s Consultation and Training Program on the Environment</a></p><p><a href="https://www.teachgreenpsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Doherty-Clayton-2011-Psych-effects-of-climate-change.pdf"> The Psychological Impacts of Global Climate Change by Thomas J. Doherty and Susan Clayton</a></p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/06/health/climate-anxiety-therapy.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqYhkSlUbBSbVUNEjsh3BjvzOxbUgizr3KjiURCpTivgVDpKJ41aLZbZmY5F7-QWnc-J7Ee1lQu1unKgYNlZxSgKsr9yIwcRbeH5u8ce9Dm9ums-RAO59oTW1Zyzpd7Zzz-K1tU-Kamf6SeeIhy1aUQVvqZBud1is3GVZhfuWV74ohaQtmKspFZt4RjwfZSKVv_KOCxp2PdmObhi0-RBhEqgCGmmVxYjAnupGJAZCClvGT2d94nI8775fP9AROKX8L30wacWWwBenb8zIKWEC8O5QehM"> NY Times: Climate Change Enters the Therapy Room</a></p><p><a href="https://www.climatepsychologyalliance.org/">Climate Psychology Alliance</a></p><p><a href="https://drawdown.org/">Project Draw Down</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/whats-new-in-the-dsm-5-tr-an-interview-with-dr-michael-b-first/"> What’s New in the DSM-5-TR with Dr. Michael B. First</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/what-you-should-know-about-walk-and-talk-therapy-and-other-non-traditional-counseling-settings/"> What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy part 1</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/what-you-should-know-about-walk-and-talk-therapy-and-other-non-traditional-counseling-settings-part-2/"> What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy part 2 (Law and Ethics)</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/shared-traumatic-experiences/"> Shared Traumatic Experiences</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room</title>
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      <description>Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room
Curt and Katie discuss how big life events (a big diagnosis, a huge personal loss, injuries and medical conditions) can show up in the room. We explore how much humanity is okay to share with our clients. How do we decide what we tell our clients (and how do we manage their reactions)? We also look at how we take care of ourselves while also taking care of our clients. Therapists aren't robots, but we certainly need to be aware of our clients when life happens. 
In this podcast episode we talk about appropriate self-disclosure practices for modern therapists going through life events
As therapists it’s important that we hold a professional exterior during therapy. But can it be helpful to share with clients the big moments in our lives? How can we be human in the room?
What are some considerations for therapists when deciding to self-disclose?

Showing your humanity can help bond a client with the therapist.

Self-disclosure may be different for planned or unplanned life events and whether they come into the room or private/hidden and in the background of your life

Deciding when and whether to tell clients

Clients often will use the therapist as an example on how to handle big life events.

Not all settings are appropriate for therapist disclosure.

Clients do not have the same confidentiality requirements as therapists; if you self-disclose to a client, it could be known by others or other treatment team members.

In self-disclosing, the therapist will need to process the disclosure with the client.

Processing difficult personal material with multiple clients could be difficult for the therapist.

How much you disclose will depend on the client, but you might share more with a long-term client than a newer client.

Are there ethical considerations for therapists sharing about our lives?

There are no BBS outlined ethical considerations for sharing personal disclosures in therapy.

The therapeutic environment should encourage a client to question the therapist.

The therapeutic environment should encourage clients to participate in self-advocacy.

Remember that certain self-disclosures might be triggering for clients; be mindful of what you share with who.

Document all ruptures in relationships in your note and what you did to help heal the rupture.

Be mindful - clients could be retraumatized or try to care take after a therapist’s disclosure.

Not all clients need to know everything; know your population.

What should new counselors and therapists know?

Therapists are human! Life will continue to affect you even while working.

It is important for therapists to take time off when they need it.

Ruptures in the therapeutic relationship will happen; it’s all about how you handle it.

New counselors often want hard rules for how to act, but it gets easier with experience.

The most damage happens from not acknowledging or apologizing for ruptures.

When ruptures occur, be honest and accountable to your clients.

Sharing our human moments with clients can create a deeper and richer relationship.

Don’t forget you don’t have to do this alone – always consult if unsure on disclosures!

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!  Struggles of the Novice Counselor and Therapist by Thomas M. Skovholt and Michael H. Rønnestad
Abstract: Shared Trauma: The Therapist’s Increased Vulnerability by Dr. Karen W. Saakvitne</description>
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      <itunes:title>Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room Curt and Katie discuss how big life events (a big diagnosis, a huge personal loss, injuries and medical conditions) can show up in the room. We explore how much humanity is okay to share...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room
Curt and Katie discuss how big life events (a big diagnosis, a huge personal loss, injuries and medical conditions) can show up in the room. We explore how much humanity is okay to share with our clients. How do we decide what we tell our clients (and how do we manage their reactions)? We also look at how we take care of ourselves while also taking care of our clients. Therapists aren't robots, but we certainly need to be aware of our clients when life happens. 
In this podcast episode we talk about appropriate self-disclosure practices for modern therapists going through life events
As therapists it’s important that we hold a professional exterior during therapy. But can it be helpful to share with clients the big moments in our lives? How can we be human in the room?
What are some considerations for therapists when deciding to self-disclose?

Showing your humanity can help bond a client with the therapist.

Self-disclosure may be different for planned or unplanned life events and whether they come into the room or private/hidden and in the background of your life

Deciding when and whether to tell clients

Clients often will use the therapist as an example on how to handle big life events.

Not all settings are appropriate for therapist disclosure.

Clients do not have the same confidentiality requirements as therapists; if you self-disclose to a client, it could be known by others or other treatment team members.

In self-disclosing, the therapist will need to process the disclosure with the client.

Processing difficult personal material with multiple clients could be difficult for the therapist.

How much you disclose will depend on the client, but you might share more with a long-term client than a newer client.

Are there ethical considerations for therapists sharing about our lives?

There are no BBS outlined ethical considerations for sharing personal disclosures in therapy.

The therapeutic environment should encourage a client to question the therapist.

The therapeutic environment should encourage clients to participate in self-advocacy.

Remember that certain self-disclosures might be triggering for clients; be mindful of what you share with who.

Document all ruptures in relationships in your note and what you did to help heal the rupture.

Be mindful - clients could be retraumatized or try to care take after a therapist’s disclosure.

Not all clients need to know everything; know your population.

What should new counselors and therapists know?

Therapists are human! Life will continue to affect you even while working.

It is important for therapists to take time off when they need it.

Ruptures in the therapeutic relationship will happen; it’s all about how you handle it.

New counselors often want hard rules for how to act, but it gets easier with experience.

The most damage happens from not acknowledging or apologizing for ruptures.

When ruptures occur, be honest and accountable to your clients.

Sharing our human moments with clients can create a deeper and richer relationship.

Don’t forget you don’t have to do this alone – always consult if unsure on disclosures!

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!  Struggles of the Novice Counselor and Therapist by Thomas M. Skovholt and Michael H. Rønnestad
Abstract: Shared Trauma: The Therapist’s Increased Vulnerability by Dr. Karen W. Saakvitne</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Therapists Are Not Robots: How We Can Show Humanity in the Room</p><p>Curt and Katie discuss how big life events (a big diagnosis, a huge personal loss, injuries and medical conditions) can show up in the room. We explore how much humanity is okay to share with our clients. How do we decide what we tell our clients (and how do we manage their reactions)? We also look at how we take care of ourselves while also taking care of our clients. Therapists aren't robots, but we certainly need to be aware of our clients when life happens. </p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about appropriate self-disclosure practices for modern therapists going through life events</p><p>As therapists it’s important that we hold a professional exterior during therapy. But can it be helpful to share with clients the big moments in our lives? How can we be human in the room?</p><p>What are some considerations for therapists when deciding to self-disclose?</p><ul>
<li>Showing your humanity can help bond a client with the therapist.</li>
<li>Self-disclosure may be different for planned or unplanned life events and whether they come into the room or private/hidden and in the background of your life</li>
<li>Deciding when and whether to tell clients</li>
<li>Clients often will use the therapist as an example on how to handle big life events.</li>
<li>Not all settings are appropriate for therapist disclosure.</li>
<li>Clients do not have the same confidentiality requirements as therapists; if you self-disclose to a client, it could be known by others or other treatment team members.</li>
<li>In self-disclosing, the therapist will need to process the disclosure with the client.</li>
<li>Processing difficult personal material with multiple clients could be difficult for the therapist.</li>
<li>How much you disclose will depend on the client, but you might share more with a long-term client than a newer client.</li>
</ul><p>Are there ethical considerations for therapists sharing about our lives?</p><ul>
<li>There are no BBS outlined ethical considerations for sharing personal disclosures in therapy.</li>
<li>The therapeutic environment should encourage a client to question the therapist.</li>
<li>The therapeutic environment should encourage clients to participate in self-advocacy.</li>
<li>Remember that certain self-disclosures might be triggering for clients; be mindful of what you share with who.</li>
<li>Document all ruptures in relationships in your note and what you did to help heal the rupture.</li>
<li>Be mindful - clients could be retraumatized or try to care take after a therapist’s disclosure.</li>
<li>Not all clients need to know everything; know your population.</li>
</ul><p>What should new counselors and therapists know?</p><ul>
<li>Therapists are human! Life will continue to affect you even while working.</li>
<li>It is important for therapists to take time off when they need it.</li>
<li>Ruptures in the therapeutic relationship will happen; it’s all about how you handle it.</li>
<li>New counselors often want hard rules for how to act, but it gets easier with experience.</li>
<li>The most damage happens from not acknowledging or apologizing for ruptures.</li>
<li>When ruptures occur, be honest and accountable to your clients.</li>
<li>Sharing our human moments with clients can create a deeper and richer relationship.</li>
<li>Don’t forget you don’t have to do this alone – always consult if unsure on disclosures!</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! <a href="https://www.sv.uio.no/psi/personer/vit/emeritus/helgero/StrugglesJCD.pdf"> Struggles of the Novice Counselor and Therapist by Thomas M. Skovholt and Michael H. Rønnestad</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10481881209348678">Abstract: Shared Trauma: The Therapist’s Increased Vulnerability by Dr. Karen W. Saakvitne</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings – Part 2</title>
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      <description>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings – Part 2
Curt and Katie chat about non-traditional therapy settings like outdoor walk and talk therapy as well as home-based counseling. In the second of a two-part, continuing education podcourse series, we look at law and ethics, accessibility, informed consent, navigating confidentiality, dual relationships, and what therapist might want to consider before getting started.
In this continuing education podcast episode, we look at the laws and ethics related to non-traditional therapy settings
For our fourth CE-worthy podcourse, we’re looking at the laws and ethics of bringing therapy into non-traditional settings, including walk and talk therapy and home visits. We cover a lot of topics in this episode:
Debunking the hesitations of using non-traditional therapy settings

Minimizing liability and concerns related to these environments

Is it unethical to not consider these environments?

Access and payment, including insurance/managed health care concerns and fee setting

Unpredictability in the environment

Scheduling and permission for services

Business practices and systems that support this type of dynamic practice

Accessibility of walk &amp; talk and home-based therapies

Financial, physical or other types of accessibility (and navigating those)

Ways to make sure you clients can access the service and are prepared for the environment

Extending boundaries and the consequences of these situations

Documentation of any concerns that arise

Clinician comfort and preference, do no harm, and do good

Informed Consent for non-traditional therapies

Client choice and appropriateness, including informed opt-in (and opt out)

Health conditions, screening or attestation related to risk and liability

Clinician safety and how to talk with your client about these concerns

Cancellation policies and back up plans

Ability to terminate (both passively and actively)

Collaboration and communication

Confidentiality when you’re meeting outside of the therapy office

Managing the risks of the limits of confidentiality in these other settings

Collateral consent forms for additional members of the treatment

Release forms for others in the home

Co-creating the plan to manage these situations

Ideas for how to explain the relationship, if needed

Active and passive loss of confidentiality (and how to talk about these risks)

Boundaries versus confidentiality (for example where in someone’s home to meet)

Documentation and consultation

Dual Relationships that can happen during walk and talk or home-based therapies

Professional therapy never includes sex

Casual nature of the relationship in these settings and the threat of friendship vibes

Not all dual relationships are problematic

Host/guest dynamics as something to pay attention to, but not necessarily harmful

Navigating the potential medical needs of home-bound clients (helping and/or advocating for more help)

What therapists should assess before getting started

Liability and malpractice

Logistics and planning

Assessing client vs clinician benefit

Assessing competency for these types of services

Training, consultation, supervision, documentation</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings – Part 2</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings – Part 2 Curt and Katie chat about non-traditional therapy settings like outdoor walk and talk therapy as well as home-based counseling. In the second of...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings – Part 2
Curt and Katie chat about non-traditional therapy settings like outdoor walk and talk therapy as well as home-based counseling. In the second of a two-part, continuing education podcourse series, we look at law and ethics, accessibility, informed consent, navigating confidentiality, dual relationships, and what therapist might want to consider before getting started.
In this continuing education podcast episode, we look at the laws and ethics related to non-traditional therapy settings
For our fourth CE-worthy podcourse, we’re looking at the laws and ethics of bringing therapy into non-traditional settings, including walk and talk therapy and home visits. We cover a lot of topics in this episode:
Debunking the hesitations of using non-traditional therapy settings

Minimizing liability and concerns related to these environments

Is it unethical to not consider these environments?

Access and payment, including insurance/managed health care concerns and fee setting

Unpredictability in the environment

Scheduling and permission for services

Business practices and systems that support this type of dynamic practice

Accessibility of walk &amp; talk and home-based therapies

Financial, physical or other types of accessibility (and navigating those)

Ways to make sure you clients can access the service and are prepared for the environment

Extending boundaries and the consequences of these situations

Documentation of any concerns that arise

Clinician comfort and preference, do no harm, and do good

Informed Consent for non-traditional therapies

Client choice and appropriateness, including informed opt-in (and opt out)

Health conditions, screening or attestation related to risk and liability

Clinician safety and how to talk with your client about these concerns

Cancellation policies and back up plans

Ability to terminate (both passively and actively)

Collaboration and communication

Confidentiality when you’re meeting outside of the therapy office

Managing the risks of the limits of confidentiality in these other settings

Collateral consent forms for additional members of the treatment

Release forms for others in the home

Co-creating the plan to manage these situations

Ideas for how to explain the relationship, if needed

Active and passive loss of confidentiality (and how to talk about these risks)

Boundaries versus confidentiality (for example where in someone’s home to meet)

Documentation and consultation

Dual Relationships that can happen during walk and talk or home-based therapies

Professional therapy never includes sex

Casual nature of the relationship in these settings and the threat of friendship vibes

Not all dual relationships are problematic

Host/guest dynamics as something to pay attention to, but not necessarily harmful

Navigating the potential medical needs of home-bound clients (helping and/or advocating for more help)

What therapists should assess before getting started

Liability and malpractice

Logistics and planning

Assessing client vs clinician benefit

Assessing competency for these types of services

Training, consultation, supervision, documentation</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings – Part 2</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about non-traditional therapy settings like outdoor walk and talk therapy as well as home-based counseling. In the second of a two-part, continuing education podcourse series, we look at law and ethics, accessibility, informed consent, navigating confidentiality, dual relationships, and what therapist might want to consider before getting started.</p><p>In this <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">continuing education podcast episode</a>, we look at the laws and ethics related to non-traditional therapy settings</p><p>For our fourth CE-worthy podcourse, we’re looking at the laws and ethics of bringing therapy into non-traditional settings, including walk and talk therapy and home visits. We cover a lot of topics in this episode:</p><p>Debunking the hesitations of using non-traditional therapy settings</p><ul>
<li>Minimizing liability and concerns related to these environments</li>
<li>Is it unethical to not consider these environments?</li>
<li>Access and payment, including insurance/managed health care concerns and fee setting</li>
<li>Unpredictability in the environment</li>
<li>Scheduling and permission for services</li>
<li>Business practices and systems that support this type of dynamic practice</li>
</ul><p>Accessibility of walk &amp; talk and home-based therapies</p><ul>
<li>Financial, physical or other types of accessibility (and navigating those)</li>
<li>Ways to make sure you clients can access the service and are prepared for the environment</li>
<li>Extending boundaries and the consequences of these situations</li>
<li>Documentation of any concerns that arise</li>
<li>Clinician comfort and preference, do no harm, and do good</li>
</ul><p>Informed Consent for non-traditional therapies</p><ul>
<li>Client choice and appropriateness, including informed opt-in (and opt out)</li>
<li>Health conditions, screening or attestation related to risk and liability</li>
<li>Clinician safety and how to talk with your client about these concerns</li>
<li>Cancellation policies and back up plans</li>
<li>Ability to terminate (both passively and actively)</li>
<li>Collaboration and communication</li>
</ul><p>Confidentiality when you’re meeting outside of the therapy office</p><ul>
<li>Managing the risks of the limits of confidentiality in these other settings</li>
<li>Collateral consent forms for additional members of the treatment</li>
<li>Release forms for others in the home</li>
<li>Co-creating the plan to manage these situations</li>
<li>Ideas for how to explain the relationship, if needed</li>
<li>Active and passive loss of confidentiality (and how to talk about these risks)</li>
<li>Boundaries versus confidentiality (for example where in someone’s home to meet)</li>
<li>Documentation and consultation</li>
</ul><p>Dual Relationships that can happen during walk and talk or home-based therapies</p><ul>
<li>Professional therapy never includes sex</li>
<li>Casual nature of the relationship in these settings and the threat of friendship vibes</li>
<li>Not all dual relationships are problematic</li>
<li>Host/guest dynamics as something to pay attention to, but not necessarily harmful</li>
<li>Navigating the potential medical needs of home-bound clients (helping and/or advocating for more help)</li>
</ul><p>What therapists should assess before getting started</p><ul>
<li>Liability and malpractice</li>
<li>Logistics and planning</li>
<li>Assessing client vs clinician benefit</li>
<li>Assessing competency for these types of services</li>
<li>Training, consultation, supervision, documentation</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/what-you-should-know-about-walk-and-talk-therapy-and-other-non-traditional-counseling-settings</link>
      <description>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings
Curt and Katie chat about non-traditional therapy settings like outdoor walk and talk therapy as well as home-based counseling. In the first of a two-part, continuing education podcourse series, we look at the basics, including why therapists should consider these settings (and may not), clinical and cultural considerations, and best practices.
In this continuing education podcast episode, we look at non-traditional therapy settings
For our third CE-worthy podcourse, we’re looking at the basics of bringing therapy into non-traditional settings, including walk and talk therapy and home visits. We cover a lot of topics in this episode:
What are non-traditional therapy settings?

The focus of this episode is walk and talk and home-based therapy

Client’s locations like home, school, or work; community-based settings

Anything beyond the typical therapy office or telehealth settings are worthy of consideration

Creativity and collaboration in creating the space

How different the therapy can be when opening up more settings as possibilities

Why should therapists consider these non-traditional therapy settings?

Logistical considerations that can lead to these settings being the ideal choice (or only choice)

Clinical indications that walk and talk or home-based therapy is a better choice

The impact on changing settings on the therapeutic relationship and the therapeutic work

Specific modalities that are best served by client-centered spaces

Assessment, treatment teaming

How access, attendance, and attrition are impacted

The therapeutic impact of the settings and movement

What are the hesitations therapists have in considering alternative settings for therapy?

The challenges in creating systems and managing the logistics

Lack of alignment with the medical model

Lack of training and guidance

Legal and Ethical considerations (that will be talked about in next week’s episode)

What are the clinical and cultural considerations when doing therapy outside or in someone’s home?

Navigating the shifting relationship and boundaries

Cultural differences between therapist and client, and assumptions made about the relationship

The importance of leading the conversation about these relationships

Hospitality and others who may be present at a client’s home

The unusual space, the level of confidentiality, and emotional containment and depth of conversation

Treatment planning based on where you meet and how the client interacts with the space

The importance of the clinician holding the therapeutic space and attention

Creating the space and the contract for how therapy will happen

Cultural norms for the activities and for the client and family – more complexity to discuss

Clinical How-To for Non-traditional Settings

Assessment considerations

Client and clinician characteristics

Alignment with treatment goals and presenting concerns

Presenting issues can vary and assessment can be important

Initial assessment appointments and making the decision early in treatment

Treatment Formulation related to active versus passive interaction with the space

The importance of true informed consent and the dynamic nature of process contracting

Introducing predictability

Risk assessment

Knowing your scope and what types of professionals you might consider consulting</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings Curt and Katie chat about non-traditional therapy settings like outdoor walk and talk therapy as well as home-based counseling. In the first of a two-part,...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings
Curt and Katie chat about non-traditional therapy settings like outdoor walk and talk therapy as well as home-based counseling. In the first of a two-part, continuing education podcourse series, we look at the basics, including why therapists should consider these settings (and may not), clinical and cultural considerations, and best practices.
In this continuing education podcast episode, we look at non-traditional therapy settings
For our third CE-worthy podcourse, we’re looking at the basics of bringing therapy into non-traditional settings, including walk and talk therapy and home visits. We cover a lot of topics in this episode:
What are non-traditional therapy settings?

The focus of this episode is walk and talk and home-based therapy

Client’s locations like home, school, or work; community-based settings

Anything beyond the typical therapy office or telehealth settings are worthy of consideration

Creativity and collaboration in creating the space

How different the therapy can be when opening up more settings as possibilities

Why should therapists consider these non-traditional therapy settings?

Logistical considerations that can lead to these settings being the ideal choice (or only choice)

Clinical indications that walk and talk or home-based therapy is a better choice

The impact on changing settings on the therapeutic relationship and the therapeutic work

Specific modalities that are best served by client-centered spaces

Assessment, treatment teaming

How access, attendance, and attrition are impacted

The therapeutic impact of the settings and movement

What are the hesitations therapists have in considering alternative settings for therapy?

The challenges in creating systems and managing the logistics

Lack of alignment with the medical model

Lack of training and guidance

Legal and Ethical considerations (that will be talked about in next week’s episode)

What are the clinical and cultural considerations when doing therapy outside or in someone’s home?

Navigating the shifting relationship and boundaries

Cultural differences between therapist and client, and assumptions made about the relationship

The importance of leading the conversation about these relationships

Hospitality and others who may be present at a client’s home

The unusual space, the level of confidentiality, and emotional containment and depth of conversation

Treatment planning based on where you meet and how the client interacts with the space

The importance of the clinician holding the therapeutic space and attention

Creating the space and the contract for how therapy will happen

Cultural norms for the activities and for the client and family – more complexity to discuss

Clinical How-To for Non-traditional Settings

Assessment considerations

Client and clinician characteristics

Alignment with treatment goals and presenting concerns

Presenting issues can vary and assessment can be important

Initial assessment appointments and making the decision early in treatment

Treatment Formulation related to active versus passive interaction with the space

The importance of true informed consent and the dynamic nature of process contracting

Introducing predictability

Risk assessment

Knowing your scope and what types of professionals you might consider consulting</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What You Should Know About Walk and Talk Therapy and Other Non-Traditional Counseling Settings</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about non-traditional therapy settings like outdoor walk and talk therapy as well as home-based counseling. In the first of a two-part, continuing education podcourse series, we look at the basics, including why therapists should consider these settings (and may not), clinical and cultural considerations, and best practices.</p><p>In this <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">continuing education podcast episode</a>, we look at non-traditional therapy settings</p><p>For our third CE-worthy podcourse, we’re looking at the basics of bringing therapy into non-traditional settings, including walk and talk therapy and home visits. We cover a lot of topics in this episode:</p><p>What are non-traditional therapy settings?</p><ul>
<li>The focus of this episode is walk and talk and home-based therapy</li>
<li>Client’s locations like home, school, or work; community-based settings</li>
<li>Anything beyond the typical therapy office or telehealth settings are worthy of consideration</li>
<li>Creativity and collaboration in creating the space</li>
<li>How different the therapy can be when opening up more settings as possibilities</li>
</ul><p>Why should therapists consider these non-traditional therapy settings?</p><ul>
<li>Logistical considerations that can lead to these settings being the ideal choice (or only choice)</li>
<li>Clinical indications that walk and talk or home-based therapy is a better choice</li>
<li>The impact on changing settings on the therapeutic relationship and the therapeutic work</li>
<li>Specific modalities that are best served by client-centered spaces</li>
<li>Assessment, treatment teaming</li>
<li>How access, attendance, and attrition are impacted</li>
<li>The therapeutic impact of the settings and movement</li>
</ul><p>What are the hesitations therapists have in considering alternative settings for therapy?</p><ul>
<li>The challenges in creating systems and managing the logistics</li>
<li>Lack of alignment with the medical model</li>
<li>Lack of training and guidance</li>
<li>Legal and Ethical considerations (that will be talked about in next week’s episode)</li>
</ul><p>What are the clinical and cultural considerations when doing therapy outside or in someone’s home?</p><ul>
<li>Navigating the shifting relationship and boundaries</li>
<li>Cultural differences between therapist and client, and assumptions made about the relationship</li>
<li>The importance of leading the conversation about these relationships</li>
<li>Hospitality and others who may be present at a client’s home</li>
<li>The unusual space, the level of confidentiality, and emotional containment and depth of conversation</li>
<li>Treatment planning based on where you meet and how the client interacts with the space</li>
<li>The importance of the clinician holding the therapeutic space and attention</li>
<li>Creating the space and the contract for how therapy will happen</li>
<li>Cultural norms for the activities and for the client and family – more complexity to discuss</li>
</ul><p>Clinical How-To for Non-traditional Settings</p><ul>
<li>Assessment considerations</li>
<li>Client and clinician characteristics</li>
<li>Alignment with treatment goals and presenting concerns</li>
<li>Presenting issues can vary and assessment can be important</li>
<li>Initial assessment appointments and making the decision early in treatment</li>
<li>Treatment Formulation related to active versus passive interaction with the space</li>
<li>The importance of true informed consent and the dynamic nature of process contracting</li>
<li>Introducing predictability</li>
<li>Risk assessment</li>
<li>Knowing your scope and what types of professionals you might consider consulting</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Now Modern Therapists Need to Document Every F*cking Thing in Our Progress Notes?!?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/now-modern-therapists-need-to-document-every-fcking-thing-in-our-progress-notes</link>
      <description>Now Modern Therapists Need to Document Every F*cking Thing in Our Progress Notes?!?
Curt and Katie discuss a recent citation from the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) to a therapist for cursing while in session. We explore: How do we document ruptures during the therapy session? Is the BBS over-reaching by controlling what therapists document? What are the best practices for note taking? All of this and more in the episode.
In this podcast episode we talk about appropriate documentation practices for modern therapists
As therapists it’s important that we take accurate notes. But what is important to include in the notes, and how much should we really be documenting?
Wait – Is it alright to use curse words in session?

Therapists should be first and foremost aware of the client and their potential reaction.

Note the therapeutic relationship with the client, their history, and how the client empowers themself when making language selections.

If considering using casual language, consider the client’s vernacular.

Follow the client’s lead when it comes to their language in session, including cursing.

The BBS has no specific statute related to cursing or swearing.

What should modern therapists document in clinical notes?

It is important to document any bold interventions or ruptures in the therapeutic relationship and repair attempts for ruptures.

In note taking, it is important to follow the clinical loop: assessment, diagnosis, treatment plan, intervention, use of intervention, and the client’s reaction and progress.

Your notes will be a balance of covering your liability and creating notes that help you remember the session.

Therapists should consider documenting the use of any language that could be deemed not clinically appropriate, even positive statements like “I’m proud of you,” or “Yes, my dear.”

Does the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) outline what we should say in our notes?

In the 300-page PDF outlining the statutes for LPCCs, LMFTs, LCSWs, and Educational Psychologists, notes are only mentioned 10 times.

There is no mention in the statutes of what can be said and what can’t be said in notes.

Some agencies and institutions will stress writing very little to ensure protection from liability, but as this citation showcases, this might not be best practice.

The BBS wants to ensure the protection of clients and you might need to justify your words, just as you would justify the use of an intervention.

This is a reminder that the BBS can and do look at therapist’s notes.

Support The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide on Patreon!
If you love our content and would like to bring the conversations deeper, please support us on our Patreon. For as little as $2 per month we're able to bring you more content, exclusive offerings, and more opportunities to engage in our growing modern therapist community. These contributions help us to expand our offerings for continuing education events and a whole lot more. If you don't think you can make a monthly contribution – no worries – we also have a buy me a coffee profile for one-time donations support us at whatever level you can today it really helps us out. You can find us at patreon.com/mtsgpodcast or buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist. Thanks everyone.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2022 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Now Modern Therapists Need to Document Every F*cking Thing in Our Progress Notes?!?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/7dfdc558-690e-11ed-9001-4b1151220794/image/Episode_252.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Now Modern Therapists Need to Document Every F*cking Thing in Our Progress Notes?!? Curt and Katie discuss a recent citation from the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) to a therapist for cursing while in session. We explore: How do we...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Now Modern Therapists Need to Document Every F*cking Thing in Our Progress Notes?!?
Curt and Katie discuss a recent citation from the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) to a therapist for cursing while in session. We explore: How do we document ruptures during the therapy session? Is the BBS over-reaching by controlling what therapists document? What are the best practices for note taking? All of this and more in the episode.
In this podcast episode we talk about appropriate documentation practices for modern therapists
As therapists it’s important that we take accurate notes. But what is important to include in the notes, and how much should we really be documenting?
Wait – Is it alright to use curse words in session?

Therapists should be first and foremost aware of the client and their potential reaction.

Note the therapeutic relationship with the client, their history, and how the client empowers themself when making language selections.

If considering using casual language, consider the client’s vernacular.

Follow the client’s lead when it comes to their language in session, including cursing.

The BBS has no specific statute related to cursing or swearing.

What should modern therapists document in clinical notes?

It is important to document any bold interventions or ruptures in the therapeutic relationship and repair attempts for ruptures.

In note taking, it is important to follow the clinical loop: assessment, diagnosis, treatment plan, intervention, use of intervention, and the client’s reaction and progress.

Your notes will be a balance of covering your liability and creating notes that help you remember the session.

Therapists should consider documenting the use of any language that could be deemed not clinically appropriate, even positive statements like “I’m proud of you,” or “Yes, my dear.”

Does the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) outline what we should say in our notes?

In the 300-page PDF outlining the statutes for LPCCs, LMFTs, LCSWs, and Educational Psychologists, notes are only mentioned 10 times.

There is no mention in the statutes of what can be said and what can’t be said in notes.

Some agencies and institutions will stress writing very little to ensure protection from liability, but as this citation showcases, this might not be best practice.

The BBS wants to ensure the protection of clients and you might need to justify your words, just as you would justify the use of an intervention.

This is a reminder that the BBS can and do look at therapist’s notes.

Support The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide on Patreon!
If you love our content and would like to bring the conversations deeper, please support us on our Patreon. For as little as $2 per month we're able to bring you more content, exclusive offerings, and more opportunities to engage in our growing modern therapist community. These contributions help us to expand our offerings for continuing education events and a whole lot more. If you don't think you can make a monthly contribution – no worries – we also have a buy me a coffee profile for one-time donations support us at whatever level you can today it really helps us out. You can find us at patreon.com/mtsgpodcast or buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist. Thanks everyone.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Now Modern Therapists Need to Document Every F*cking Thing in Our Progress Notes?!?</p><p>Curt and Katie discuss a recent citation from the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) to a therapist for cursing while in session. We explore: How do we document ruptures during the therapy session? Is the BBS over-reaching by controlling what therapists document? What are the best practices for note taking? All of this and more in the episode.</p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about appropriate documentation practices for modern therapists</p><p>As therapists it’s important that we take accurate notes. But what is important to include in the notes, and how much should we really be documenting?</p><p>Wait – Is it alright to use curse words in session?</p><ul>
<li>Therapists should be first and foremost aware of the client and their potential reaction.</li>
<li>Note the therapeutic relationship with the client, their history, and how the client empowers themself when making language selections.</li>
<li>If considering using casual language, consider the client’s vernacular.</li>
<li>Follow the client’s lead when it comes to their language in session, including cursing.</li>
<li>The BBS has no specific statute related to cursing or swearing.</li>
</ul><p>What should modern therapists document in clinical notes?</p><ul>
<li>It is important to document any bold interventions or ruptures in the therapeutic relationship and repair attempts for ruptures.</li>
<li>In note taking, it is important to follow the clinical loop: assessment, diagnosis, treatment plan, intervention, use of intervention, and the client’s reaction and progress.</li>
<li>Your notes will be a balance of covering your liability and creating notes that help you remember the session.</li>
<li>Therapists should consider documenting the use of any language that could be deemed not clinically appropriate, even positive statements like “I’m proud of you,” or “Yes, my dear.”</li>
</ul><p>Does the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) outline what we should say in our notes?</p><ul>
<li>In the 300-page PDF outlining the statutes for LPCCs, LMFTs, LCSWs, and Educational Psychologists, notes are only mentioned 10 times.</li>
<li>There is no mention in the statutes of what can be said and what can’t be said in notes.</li>
<li>Some agencies and institutions will stress writing very little to ensure protection from liability, but as this citation showcases, this might not be best practice.</li>
<li>The BBS wants to ensure the protection of clients and you might need to justify your words, just as you would justify the use of an intervention.</li>
<li>This is a reminder that the BBS can and do look at therapist’s notes.</li>
</ul><p>Support The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide on Patreon!</p><p>If you love our content and would like to bring the conversations deeper, please support us on our Patreon. For as little as $2 per month we're able to bring you more content, exclusive offerings, and more opportunities to engage in our growing modern therapist community. These contributions help us to expand our offerings for continuing education events and a whole lot more. If you don't think you can make a monthly contribution – no worries – we also have a buy me a coffee profile for one-time donations support us at whatever level you can today it really helps us out. You can find us at patreon.com/mtsgpodcast or buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist. Thanks everyone.</p>]]>
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      <title>Do Therapists Curse in Session?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/do-therapists-curse-in-session</link>
      <description>Do Therapists Curse in Session?
Curt and Katie discuss a recent citation from the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) to a therapist for cursing while in session. We explore: Can therapists swear in session? Should they? Are there times when cursing is appropriate in session? Are therapists allowed to make errors without the fear of citation from their board? We explore these and more in this episode. 
In this podcast episode we talk about the ethics and responsibilities of cursing in session.
After hearing about the citation for a clinician who had cursed in session, we wanted to explore what is acceptable related to using curse words in session. We know as therapists that what we say matters, and now more than ever our choice of language matters. Who is allowed to curse in the therapy room? We tackle this question in depth:
Is swearing or cursing ever appropriate in session?

Both Curt and Katie swear in session when appropriate

Swearing in session can create a more authentic therapeutic rapport with some clients

Sometimes clients will ask for permission to swear in session

Follow the client’s lead when it comes to their language in session, including cursing

It is mostly important to reflect the client’s language without judgement

Clients might be looking for more humanity in their therapists

Therapists are people; curses can slip out when therapists feel depleted and without resource

Cursing based on your own humanity can cause therapeutic rupture and clinicians should be mindful of the therapeutic alliance and make repair attempts

What does the research show us about swearing?

Some research suggests that cursing out loud decreases pain

“Professional language” is often rooted in whiteness with a goal of excluding people of color

When not accurately reflecting a client’s language, you run the risk of editing them

Swearing speech is primarily meant to convey connotative or emotional meaning with emphasis

What do professional organizations say now about cursing in session?

The BBS recently cited a therapist for swearing in session as unprofessional language

Only one professional organization, The National Association of Social Workers, officially bars cursing in session – specifically derogatory language

Swearing speech is primarily meant to convey connotative or emotional meaning with emphasis

Therapists have a responsibility to make sure they are emotionally equipped to deal with clients

Is there an ideal language for therapists to use? … I caution against blanket rules. – Curt Widhalm

Slurs are never acceptable to use during session, especially when there are cultural differences between client and therapist

Considerations related to expressing your humanity, using curse words, and the clients you see

Ethically, we have guidelines of client beneficence and avoiding maleficence, meaning don’t harm the client

Technically cursing is allowed, but only with reason and while remembering that some folks are litigious

Support The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide on Patreon!
If you love our content and would like to bring the conversations deeper, please support us on our Patreon. For as little as $2 per month we're able to bring you more content, exclusive offerings, and more opportunities to engage in our growing modern therapist community. These contributions help us to expand our offerings for continuing education events and a whole lot more. If you don't think you can make a monthly contribution – no worries – we also have a buy me a coffee profile for one time donations support us at whatever level you can today it really helps us out. You can find us at patreon.com/mtsgpodcast or buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist. Thanks everyone.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Do Therapists Curse in Session?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Do Therapists Curse in Session? Curt and Katie discuss a recent citation from the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) to a therapist for cursing while in session. We explore: Can therapists swear in session? Should they? Are there times when...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Do Therapists Curse in Session?
Curt and Katie discuss a recent citation from the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) to a therapist for cursing while in session. We explore: Can therapists swear in session? Should they? Are there times when cursing is appropriate in session? Are therapists allowed to make errors without the fear of citation from their board? We explore these and more in this episode. 
In this podcast episode we talk about the ethics and responsibilities of cursing in session.
After hearing about the citation for a clinician who had cursed in session, we wanted to explore what is acceptable related to using curse words in session. We know as therapists that what we say matters, and now more than ever our choice of language matters. Who is allowed to curse in the therapy room? We tackle this question in depth:
Is swearing or cursing ever appropriate in session?

Both Curt and Katie swear in session when appropriate

Swearing in session can create a more authentic therapeutic rapport with some clients

Sometimes clients will ask for permission to swear in session

Follow the client’s lead when it comes to their language in session, including cursing

It is mostly important to reflect the client’s language without judgement

Clients might be looking for more humanity in their therapists

Therapists are people; curses can slip out when therapists feel depleted and without resource

Cursing based on your own humanity can cause therapeutic rupture and clinicians should be mindful of the therapeutic alliance and make repair attempts

What does the research show us about swearing?

Some research suggests that cursing out loud decreases pain

“Professional language” is often rooted in whiteness with a goal of excluding people of color

When not accurately reflecting a client’s language, you run the risk of editing them

Swearing speech is primarily meant to convey connotative or emotional meaning with emphasis

What do professional organizations say now about cursing in session?

The BBS recently cited a therapist for swearing in session as unprofessional language

Only one professional organization, The National Association of Social Workers, officially bars cursing in session – specifically derogatory language

Swearing speech is primarily meant to convey connotative or emotional meaning with emphasis

Therapists have a responsibility to make sure they are emotionally equipped to deal with clients

Is there an ideal language for therapists to use? … I caution against blanket rules. – Curt Widhalm

Slurs are never acceptable to use during session, especially when there are cultural differences between client and therapist

Considerations related to expressing your humanity, using curse words, and the clients you see

Ethically, we have guidelines of client beneficence and avoiding maleficence, meaning don’t harm the client

Technically cursing is allowed, but only with reason and while remembering that some folks are litigious

Support The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide on Patreon!
If you love our content and would like to bring the conversations deeper, please support us on our Patreon. For as little as $2 per month we're able to bring you more content, exclusive offerings, and more opportunities to engage in our growing modern therapist community. These contributions help us to expand our offerings for continuing education events and a whole lot more. If you don't think you can make a monthly contribution – no worries – we also have a buy me a coffee profile for one time donations support us at whatever level you can today it really helps us out. You can find us at patreon.com/mtsgpodcast or buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist. Thanks everyone.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Do Therapists Curse in Session?</p><p>Curt and Katie discuss a recent citation from the California Board of Behavioral Sciences (BBS) to a therapist for cursing while in session. We explore: Can therapists swear in session? Should they? Are there times when cursing is appropriate in session? Are therapists allowed to make errors without the fear of citation from their board? We explore these and more in this episode. </p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about the ethics and responsibilities of cursing in session.</p><p>After hearing about the citation for a clinician who had cursed in session, we wanted to explore what is acceptable related to using curse words in session. We know as therapists that what we say matters, and now more than ever our choice of language matters. Who is allowed to curse in the therapy room? We tackle this question in depth:</p><p>Is swearing or cursing ever appropriate in session?</p><ul>
<li>Both Curt and Katie swear in session when appropriate</li>
<li>Swearing in session can create a more authentic therapeutic rapport with some clients</li>
<li>Sometimes clients will ask for permission to swear in session</li>
<li>Follow the client’s lead when it comes to their language in session, including cursing</li>
<li>It is mostly important to reflect the client’s language without judgement</li>
<li>Clients might be looking for more humanity in their therapists</li>
<li>Therapists are people; curses can slip out when therapists feel depleted and without resource</li>
<li>Cursing based on your own humanity can cause therapeutic rupture and clinicians should be mindful of the therapeutic alliance and make repair attempts</li>
</ul><p>What does the research show us about swearing?</p><ul>
<li>Some research suggests that cursing out loud decreases pain</li>
<li>“Professional language” is often rooted in whiteness with a goal of excluding people of color</li>
<li>When not accurately reflecting a client’s language, you run the risk of editing them</li>
<li>Swearing speech is primarily meant to convey connotative or emotional meaning with emphasis</li>
</ul><p>What do professional organizations say now about cursing in session?</p><ul>
<li>The BBS recently cited a therapist for swearing in session as unprofessional language</li>
<li>Only one professional organization, The National Association of Social Workers, officially bars cursing in session – specifically derogatory language</li>
<li>Swearing speech is primarily meant to convey connotative or emotional meaning with emphasis</li>
<li>Therapists have a responsibility to make sure they are emotionally equipped to deal with clients</li>
</ul><p>Is there an ideal language for therapists to use? … I caution against blanket rules. – Curt Widhalm</p><ul>
<li>Slurs are never acceptable to use during session, especially when there are cultural differences between client and therapist</li>
<li>Considerations related to expressing your humanity, using curse words, and the clients you see</li>
<li>Ethically, we have guidelines of client beneficence and avoiding maleficence, meaning don’t harm the client</li>
<li>Technically cursing is allowed, but only with reason and while remembering that some folks are litigious</li>
</ul><p>Support The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide on Patreon!</p><p>If you love our content and would like to bring the conversations deeper, please support us on our Patreon. For as little as $2 per month we're able to bring you more content, exclusive offerings, and more opportunities to engage in our growing modern therapist community. These contributions help us to expand our offerings for continuing education events and a whole lot more. If you don't think you can make a monthly contribution – no worries – we also have a buy me a coffee profile for one time donations support us at whatever level you can today it really helps us out. You can find us at patreon.com/mtsgpodcast or buymeacoffee.com/moderntherapist. Thanks everyone.</p>]]>
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      <title>Thriving Over Surviving: Growing a Practice without Burn Out</title>
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      <description>Thriving Over Surviving: Growing a Practice without Burn Out
Curt and Katie interview Megan Gunnell, LMSW, coach, and Founder and Director of Thriving Well Institute. We explore: What changes are therapists facing as they grow their practice in the telehealth age? How do therapists scale their businesses and what should they be aware of? Can a therapist and their practice thrive, or does something have to give? All of this and more in the episode.
Interview with Megan Gunnell, LMSW and Founder &amp; Director of Thriving Well Institute
Megan Gunnell LMSW, is Founder and Director of Thriving Well Institute which aids therapist in building the private practices of their dreams. Megan offers a series of courses and individual coaching to aid therapists in expanding their private practices through building group therapy programs, building online courses, creating in person retreats, and even how to build a group practice. Megan teaches therapists how to build not only their practices but themselves up. Megan has been a practicing clinician for over 20 years working as an individual therapist in addition to her coaching and advisory work. Megan started her work as a music therapist, a passion which she still carries to this day. 
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can build their practices without burning out.
With the increase in telehealth therapy options, therapists are confronted with a unique problem. How does a therapist build their practice with so many therapeutic options out there, while simultaneously avoiding burn out? Curt and Katie connect with Megan Gunnell to discuss how therapists can make sure they, and their practices, thrive.
How can therapists’ network as telehealth therapists?

Your potential client base has now become the whole state.

Focus on designing your online real estate and increase your SEO.

Joining local Facebook groups of therapists can help expand your referral base.

Speak to specific client issues on your website that you specialize in.

Avoid template and more generalized language in websites and marketing material.

Make your website unique but clear in what you work with.

What is scaling and how does it avoid burn out?

For many therapists, caseloads have increased dramatically over the past couple years

Scaling is more about pivoting than it is creating passive income.

Looking to expand your practice into a group practice can help alleviate referral loads.

Some therapists can avoid burn out by diversifying their workload and reintegrating natural talents such as creativity.

Getting into community, especially with other therapists, is a great way to avoid burn out.

There is still a need for single-focus private practices.

What can therapists do to scale their businesses?

Be in tune with out motivated you are to scale your business; ask how committed am I?

Consistency is key.

Have a willingness to make mistakes and take risks.

Don’t be afraid of failing; use moments of failure to motivate you.

Be open to learning new things like tech, marketing, or automation.

Be realistic of your capacity to take on learning sometimes complicated or frustrating systems that might help your business.

Don’t be afraid of showing who you are as a person as you build out your practice.

It can be scary to expand your practice, and many therapists want assurance, but there is no one way to expand – it’s individual to your unique practice.

It can take support to expand your practice; reach out to your community for help.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Thriving Over Surviving: Growing a Practice without Burn Out. An interview Megan Gunnell.</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/7ea643a4-690e-11ed-9001-5790a8ac1886/image/Episode_250.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie interview Megan Gunnell, LMSW, coach, and Founder and Director of Thriving Well Institute.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Thriving Over Surviving: Growing a Practice without Burn Out
Curt and Katie interview Megan Gunnell, LMSW, coach, and Founder and Director of Thriving Well Institute. We explore: What changes are therapists facing as they grow their practice in the telehealth age? How do therapists scale their businesses and what should they be aware of? Can a therapist and their practice thrive, or does something have to give? All of this and more in the episode.
Interview with Megan Gunnell, LMSW and Founder &amp; Director of Thriving Well Institute
Megan Gunnell LMSW, is Founder and Director of Thriving Well Institute which aids therapist in building the private practices of their dreams. Megan offers a series of courses and individual coaching to aid therapists in expanding their private practices through building group therapy programs, building online courses, creating in person retreats, and even how to build a group practice. Megan teaches therapists how to build not only their practices but themselves up. Megan has been a practicing clinician for over 20 years working as an individual therapist in addition to her coaching and advisory work. Megan started her work as a music therapist, a passion which she still carries to this day. 
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can build their practices without burning out.
With the increase in telehealth therapy options, therapists are confronted with a unique problem. How does a therapist build their practice with so many therapeutic options out there, while simultaneously avoiding burn out? Curt and Katie connect with Megan Gunnell to discuss how therapists can make sure they, and their practices, thrive.
How can therapists’ network as telehealth therapists?

Your potential client base has now become the whole state.

Focus on designing your online real estate and increase your SEO.

Joining local Facebook groups of therapists can help expand your referral base.

Speak to specific client issues on your website that you specialize in.

Avoid template and more generalized language in websites and marketing material.

Make your website unique but clear in what you work with.

What is scaling and how does it avoid burn out?

For many therapists, caseloads have increased dramatically over the past couple years

Scaling is more about pivoting than it is creating passive income.

Looking to expand your practice into a group practice can help alleviate referral loads.

Some therapists can avoid burn out by diversifying their workload and reintegrating natural talents such as creativity.

Getting into community, especially with other therapists, is a great way to avoid burn out.

There is still a need for single-focus private practices.

What can therapists do to scale their businesses?

Be in tune with out motivated you are to scale your business; ask how committed am I?

Consistency is key.

Have a willingness to make mistakes and take risks.

Don’t be afraid of failing; use moments of failure to motivate you.

Be open to learning new things like tech, marketing, or automation.

Be realistic of your capacity to take on learning sometimes complicated or frustrating systems that might help your business.

Don’t be afraid of showing who you are as a person as you build out your practice.

It can be scary to expand your practice, and many therapists want assurance, but there is no one way to expand – it’s individual to your unique practice.

It can take support to expand your practice; reach out to your community for help.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thriving Over Surviving: Growing a Practice without Burn Out</p><p><em>Curt and Katie interview Megan Gunnell, LMSW, coach, and Founder and Director of Thriving Well Institute. We explore: What changes are therapists facing as they grow their practice in the telehealth age? How do therapists scale their businesses and what should they be aware of? Can a therapist and their practice thrive, or does something have to give? All of this and more in the episode.</em></p><p>Interview with Megan Gunnell, LMSW and Founder &amp; Director of Thriving Well Institute</p><p>Megan Gunnell LMSW, is Founder and Director of Thriving Well Institute which aids therapist in building the private practices of their dreams. Megan offers a series of courses and individual coaching to aid therapists in expanding their private practices through building group therapy programs, building online courses, creating in person retreats, and even how to build a group practice. Megan teaches therapists how to build not only their practices but themselves up. Megan has been a practicing clinician for over 20 years working as an individual therapist in addition to her coaching and advisory work. Megan started her work as a music therapist, a passion which she still carries to this day. </p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists can build their practices without burning out.</p><p>With the increase in telehealth therapy options, therapists are confronted with a unique problem. How does a therapist build their practice with so many therapeutic options out there, while simultaneously avoiding burn out? Curt and Katie connect with Megan Gunnell to discuss how therapists can make sure they, and their practices, thrive.</p><p>How can therapists’ network as telehealth therapists?</p><ul>
<li>Your potential client base has now become the whole state.</li>
<li>Focus on designing your online real estate and increase your SEO.</li>
<li>Joining local Facebook groups of therapists can help expand your referral base.</li>
<li>Speak to specific client issues on your website that you specialize in.</li>
<li>Avoid template and more generalized language in websites and marketing material.</li>
<li>Make your website unique but clear in what you work with.</li>
</ul><p>What is scaling and how does it avoid burn out?</p><ul>
<li>For many therapists, caseloads have increased dramatically over the past couple years</li>
<li>Scaling is more about pivoting than it is creating passive income.</li>
<li>Looking to expand your practice into a group practice can help alleviate referral loads.</li>
<li>Some therapists can avoid burn out by diversifying their workload and reintegrating natural talents such as creativity.</li>
<li>Getting into community, especially with other therapists, is a great way to avoid burn out.</li>
<li>There is still a need for single-focus private practices.</li>
</ul><p>What can therapists do to scale their businesses?</p><ul>
<li>Be in tune with out motivated you are to scale your business; ask how committed am I?</li>
<li>Consistency is key.</li>
<li>Have a willingness to make mistakes and take risks.</li>
<li>Don’t be afraid of failing; use moments of failure to motivate you.</li>
<li>Be open to learning new things like tech, marketing, or automation.</li>
<li>Be realistic of your capacity to take on learning sometimes complicated or frustrating systems that might help your business.</li>
<li>Don’t be afraid of showing who you are as a person as you build out your practice.</li>
<li>It can be scary to expand your practice, and many therapists want assurance, but there is no one way to expand – it’s individual to your unique practice.</li>
<li>It can take support to expand your practice; reach out to your community for help.</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>What’s New in the DSM-5-TR? An interview with Dr. Michael B. First</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/whats-new-in-the-dsm-5-tr-an-interview-with-dr-michael-b-first</link>
      <description>What’s New in the DSM-5-TR?
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Michael B. First, MD, editor and co-chair of the American Psychiatric Associations’ DSM-5 Text revision, coming out March 2022. We explore: What are the differences between a full update and a text revision? What changes have been made (and how were these changes decided)? What new diagnoses can we expect? Can clinicians continue to use the older DSM-5? How can clinicians advocate for changes in future versions of the DSM? All of this and more in the episode.
Interview with Dr. Michael B. First, MD
What changes have been made in the new DSM-5-TR?

Text revisions occur to avoid letting the text become stale while supporting ongoing updates.

New disorders, specifically Prolonged Grief Disorder, have been added.

New codes, modeled off symptom codes, created for documenting suicidality and non-suicidal self-injury with another diagnosis.

New categories of Unspecified Mood Disorder.

New Criteria set for Autism Spectrum Disorder which is more conservative.

How are cultural differences addressed in the DSM-5-TR?

Starting with DSM-IV, there has been a special committee created for culture and culture related issues

Hypothetically, the criteria sets should apply to everyone, but in the text, there is a section on Culture Related Features which is more specific.

The impact of the George Floyd protests inspired the creation of a new committee to look for systemic racism, lack of nuances, and prevalence issues within the DSM.

There are conflicting opinions if “transness” should be included in the DSM and if it’s even a mental disorder.

As the DSM is a diagnostic tool to code for insurance, the DSM takes the stance that the Gender Dysphoria diagnosis stay included so individuals can have access to medical intervention and treatment.

The Steering Committee for new diagnosis is small, but there is diversity.

Before a diagnosis is approved, it is posted for 45 days on the DSM website for all, including people with lived experience, to comment and advocate for diversity

What is the Process for Accepting New Diagnose?

The steering committee accepts proposals through the DSM portal for new diagnosis

Some diagnoses are qualified based on the United States’ continued use of ICD-10, whereas the ICD-11 is more progressive.

With Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, some of the criteria from the ICD have been incorporated into the DSM diagnosis of PTSD

Proposals are floated around often, but they often don’t have enough empirical research yet.

Proposals need to show a pool of patients who don’t fit other diagnoses, a gap in treatment, and a difference from other possible similar diagnoses.

New diagnoses will be approved on a continuum, making the electronic DSM-V-TR the most up to date resource.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What’s New in the DSM-5-TR? An interview with Dr. Michael B. First</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/7f072dc2-690e-11ed-9001-2730005e729c/image/Episode_249.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>What’s New in the DSM-5-TR? Curt and Katie interview Dr. Michael B. First, MD, editor and co-chair of the American Psychiatric Associations’ DSM-5 Text revision, coming out March 2022. We explore: What are the differences between a full update and...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What’s New in the DSM-5-TR?
Curt and Katie interview Dr. Michael B. First, MD, editor and co-chair of the American Psychiatric Associations’ DSM-5 Text revision, coming out March 2022. We explore: What are the differences between a full update and a text revision? What changes have been made (and how were these changes decided)? What new diagnoses can we expect? Can clinicians continue to use the older DSM-5? How can clinicians advocate for changes in future versions of the DSM? All of this and more in the episode.
Interview with Dr. Michael B. First, MD
What changes have been made in the new DSM-5-TR?

Text revisions occur to avoid letting the text become stale while supporting ongoing updates.

New disorders, specifically Prolonged Grief Disorder, have been added.

New codes, modeled off symptom codes, created for documenting suicidality and non-suicidal self-injury with another diagnosis.

New categories of Unspecified Mood Disorder.

New Criteria set for Autism Spectrum Disorder which is more conservative.

How are cultural differences addressed in the DSM-5-TR?

Starting with DSM-IV, there has been a special committee created for culture and culture related issues

Hypothetically, the criteria sets should apply to everyone, but in the text, there is a section on Culture Related Features which is more specific.

The impact of the George Floyd protests inspired the creation of a new committee to look for systemic racism, lack of nuances, and prevalence issues within the DSM.

There are conflicting opinions if “transness” should be included in the DSM and if it’s even a mental disorder.

As the DSM is a diagnostic tool to code for insurance, the DSM takes the stance that the Gender Dysphoria diagnosis stay included so individuals can have access to medical intervention and treatment.

The Steering Committee for new diagnosis is small, but there is diversity.

Before a diagnosis is approved, it is posted for 45 days on the DSM website for all, including people with lived experience, to comment and advocate for diversity

What is the Process for Accepting New Diagnose?

The steering committee accepts proposals through the DSM portal for new diagnosis

Some diagnoses are qualified based on the United States’ continued use of ICD-10, whereas the ICD-11 is more progressive.

With Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, some of the criteria from the ICD have been incorporated into the DSM diagnosis of PTSD

Proposals are floated around often, but they often don’t have enough empirical research yet.

Proposals need to show a pool of patients who don’t fit other diagnoses, a gap in treatment, and a difference from other possible similar diagnoses.

New diagnoses will be approved on a continuum, making the electronic DSM-V-TR the most up to date resource.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What’s New in the DSM-5-TR?</p><p><em>Curt and Katie interview Dr. Michael B. First, MD, editor and co-chair of the American Psychiatric Associations’ DSM-5 Text revision, coming out March 2022. We explore: What are the differences between a full update and a text revision? What changes have been made (and how were these changes decided)? What new diagnoses can we expect? Can clinicians continue to use the older DSM-5? How can clinicians advocate for changes in future versions of the DSM? All of this and more in the episode.</em></p><p>Interview with Dr. Michael B. First, MD</p><p>What changes have been made in the new DSM-5-TR?</p><ul>
<li>Text revisions occur to avoid letting the text become stale while supporting ongoing updates.</li>
<li>New disorders, specifically Prolonged Grief Disorder, have been added.</li>
<li>New codes, modeled off symptom codes, created for documenting suicidality and non-suicidal self-injury with another diagnosis.</li>
<li>New categories of Unspecified Mood Disorder.</li>
<li>New Criteria set for Autism Spectrum Disorder which is more conservative.</li>
</ul><p>How are cultural differences addressed in the DSM-5-TR?</p><ul>
<li>Starting with DSM-IV, there has been a special committee created for culture and culture related issues</li>
<li>Hypothetically, the criteria sets should apply to everyone, but in the text, there is a section on Culture Related Features which is more specific.</li>
<li>The impact of the George Floyd protests inspired the creation of a new committee to look for systemic racism, lack of nuances, and prevalence issues within the DSM.</li>
<li>There are conflicting opinions if “transness” should be included in the DSM and if it’s even a mental disorder.</li>
<li>As the DSM is a diagnostic tool to code for insurance, the DSM takes the stance that the Gender Dysphoria diagnosis stay included so individuals can have access to medical intervention and treatment.</li>
<li>The Steering Committee for new diagnosis is small, but there is diversity.</li>
<li>Before a diagnosis is approved, it is posted for 45 days on the DSM website for all, including people with lived experience, to comment and advocate for diversity</li>
</ul><p>What is the Process for Accepting New Diagnose?</p><ul>
<li>The steering committee accepts proposals through the DSM portal for new diagnosis</li>
<li>Some diagnoses are qualified based on the United States’ continued use of ICD-10, whereas the ICD-11 is more progressive.</li>
<li>With Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, some of the criteria from the ICD have been incorporated into the DSM diagnosis of PTSD</li>
<li>Proposals are floated around often, but they often don’t have enough empirical research yet.</li>
<li>Proposals need to show a pool of patients who don’t fit other diagnoses, a gap in treatment, and a difference from other possible similar diagnoses.</li>
<li>New diagnoses will be approved on a continuum, making the electronic DSM-V-TR the most up to date resource.</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>How Therapists Promote Diet Culture: An interview with Rachel Coleman</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/how-therapists-promote-diet-culture-an-interview-with-rachel-coleman</link>
      <description>How Therapists Promote Diet Culture: An interview with Rachel Coleman Curt and Katie speak with Rachel Coleman, LMFT, CEDS about what therapists should consider in working with clients who have eating disorders, the impact of society on body image, and how clinicians can increase their competency in an area many feel they are lacking. Why do so many clinicians feel under trained in treating eating disorders? How do societal views impact our client’s body image and what is the impact of diet culture? Does a lack of graduate education in eating disorders ethically impact our ability to treat eat disorders in a non-specialized practice? What’s missing from our understanding of eating disorders? All of this and more in the episode. Interview with Rachel Coleman, LMFT, CEDS
What do clinicians do when therapeutic interventions might trigger eating disorder behavior?

Many interventions call for physical activity that might trigger eating disorder behavior or feelings in clients.

If a client wants to participate in a physical activity intervention, consider their motivation.

Ensure that a client has multiple tools in their anxiety toolbox.

Be mindful if the modalities and treatment recommendations are based in fat phobia or weight stigma.

How can clinicians assess their clients for an eating disorder?

Eating disorders can present meeting full DSM-V criteria or, in many cases, seem at the “subclinical” or mildly clinical level.

Evaluate how your client feels about societal messaging and the impact it might have on them.

In assessing clients, look to determine the impact of behaviors and patterns on daily functioning. If client’s are sacrificing other values to focus on weight or body, it should be discussed.

How can clinicians increase their education in treating eating disorders?

Clinicians need to do their own work surrounding their bodies and internalized messaging.

Therapists should focus on learning about the complexities of eating disorders and the social justice movements that surround weight stigma and fat phobia.

Familiarize yourself with the ideas of body trust, body neutrality, and health at every size.

Many treatment centers offer free webinars to educate clinicians in eating disorder treatment.

What are the ethical and legal considerations in treating eating disorders in a non-specialized private practice?

Always get consultation.

Some clients might present with “subclinical” or mildly clinical levels of an eating disorder.

There is a difference between asking questions and treating the answers.

Clinicians should encourage clients to see a medical doctor when necessary.

Working with dieticians and medical doctors to create a holistic team, best serves the client.

Clinicians should be aware when to refer to a higher level of care.

Therapists should limit self-disclosures

How does Diet Culture impact our clients?

Diet culture is a mindset and system of theories we all exist in, that credits a person’s shape and size as the primary indicators of health and moral superiority.

When bodies don’t meet these “standards” of beauty as societally defined, they are often oppressed.

Messaging about dieting and our bodies is inescapable in our society, so it’s easy for subconscious beliefs about food and bodies to infiltrate sessions.

Therapists’ self-disclosures should be limited and focus on affirming client’s experience.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How Therapists Promote Diet Culture: An interview with Rachel Coleman</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>How Therapists Promote Diet Culture: An interview with Rachel Coleman Curt and Katie speak with Rachel Coleman, LMFT, CEDS about what therapists should consider in working with clients who have eating disorders, the impact of society on body image,...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Therapists Promote Diet Culture: An interview with Rachel Coleman Curt and Katie speak with Rachel Coleman, LMFT, CEDS about what therapists should consider in working with clients who have eating disorders, the impact of society on body image, and how clinicians can increase their competency in an area many feel they are lacking. Why do so many clinicians feel under trained in treating eating disorders? How do societal views impact our client’s body image and what is the impact of diet culture? Does a lack of graduate education in eating disorders ethically impact our ability to treat eat disorders in a non-specialized practice? What’s missing from our understanding of eating disorders? All of this and more in the episode. Interview with Rachel Coleman, LMFT, CEDS
What do clinicians do when therapeutic interventions might trigger eating disorder behavior?

Many interventions call for physical activity that might trigger eating disorder behavior or feelings in clients.

If a client wants to participate in a physical activity intervention, consider their motivation.

Ensure that a client has multiple tools in their anxiety toolbox.

Be mindful if the modalities and treatment recommendations are based in fat phobia or weight stigma.

How can clinicians assess their clients for an eating disorder?

Eating disorders can present meeting full DSM-V criteria or, in many cases, seem at the “subclinical” or mildly clinical level.

Evaluate how your client feels about societal messaging and the impact it might have on them.

In assessing clients, look to determine the impact of behaviors and patterns on daily functioning. If client’s are sacrificing other values to focus on weight or body, it should be discussed.

How can clinicians increase their education in treating eating disorders?

Clinicians need to do their own work surrounding their bodies and internalized messaging.

Therapists should focus on learning about the complexities of eating disorders and the social justice movements that surround weight stigma and fat phobia.

Familiarize yourself with the ideas of body trust, body neutrality, and health at every size.

Many treatment centers offer free webinars to educate clinicians in eating disorder treatment.

What are the ethical and legal considerations in treating eating disorders in a non-specialized private practice?

Always get consultation.

Some clients might present with “subclinical” or mildly clinical levels of an eating disorder.

There is a difference between asking questions and treating the answers.

Clinicians should encourage clients to see a medical doctor when necessary.

Working with dieticians and medical doctors to create a holistic team, best serves the client.

Clinicians should be aware when to refer to a higher level of care.

Therapists should limit self-disclosures

How does Diet Culture impact our clients?

Diet culture is a mindset and system of theories we all exist in, that credits a person’s shape and size as the primary indicators of health and moral superiority.

When bodies don’t meet these “standards” of beauty as societally defined, they are often oppressed.

Messaging about dieting and our bodies is inescapable in our society, so it’s easy for subconscious beliefs about food and bodies to infiltrate sessions.

Therapists’ self-disclosures should be limited and focus on affirming client’s experience.</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>How Therapists Promote Diet Culture: An interview with Rachel Coleman Curt and Katie speak with Rachel Coleman, LMFT, CEDS about what therapists should consider in working with clients who have eating disorders, the impact of society on body image, and how clinicians can increase their competency in an area many feel they are lacking. Why do so many clinicians feel under trained in treating eating disorders? How do societal views impact our client’s body image and what is the impact of diet culture? Does a lack of graduate education in eating disorders ethically impact our ability to treat eat disorders in a non-specialized practice? What’s missing from our understanding of eating disorders? All of this and more in the episode. Interview with Rachel Coleman, LMFT, CEDS</p><p>What do clinicians do when therapeutic interventions might trigger eating disorder behavior?</p><ul>
<li>Many interventions call for physical activity that might trigger eating disorder behavior or feelings in clients.</li>
<li>If a client wants to participate in a physical activity intervention, consider their motivation.</li>
<li>Ensure that a client has multiple tools in their anxiety toolbox.</li>
<li>Be mindful if the modalities and treatment recommendations are based in fat phobia or weight stigma.</li>
</ul><p>How can clinicians assess their clients for an eating disorder?</p><ul>
<li>Eating disorders can present meeting full DSM-V criteria or, in many cases, seem at the “subclinical” or mildly clinical level.</li>
<li>Evaluate how your client feels about societal messaging and the impact it might have on them.</li>
<li>In assessing clients, look to determine the impact of behaviors and patterns on daily functioning. If client’s are sacrificing other values to focus on weight or body, it should be discussed.</li>
</ul><p>How can clinicians increase their education in treating eating disorders?</p><ul>
<li>Clinicians need to do their own work surrounding their bodies and internalized messaging.</li>
<li>Therapists should focus on learning about the complexities of eating disorders and the social justice movements that surround weight stigma and fat phobia.</li>
<li>Familiarize yourself with the ideas of body trust, body neutrality, and health at every size.</li>
<li>Many treatment centers offer free webinars to educate clinicians in eating disorder treatment.</li>
</ul><p>What are the ethical and legal considerations in treating eating disorders in a non-specialized private practice?</p><ul>
<li>Always get consultation.</li>
<li>Some clients might present with “subclinical” or mildly clinical levels of an eating disorder.</li>
<li>There is a difference between asking questions and treating the answers.</li>
<li>Clinicians should encourage clients to see a medical doctor when necessary.</li>
<li>Working with dieticians and medical doctors to create a holistic team, best serves the client.</li>
<li>Clinicians should be aware when to refer to a higher level of care.</li>
<li>Therapists should limit self-disclosures</li>
</ul><p>How does Diet Culture impact our clients?</p><ul>
<li>Diet culture is a mindset and system of theories we all exist in, that credits a person’s shape and size as the primary indicators of health and moral superiority.</li>
<li>When bodies don’t meet these “standards” of beauty as societally defined, they are often oppressed.</li>
<li>Messaging about dieting and our bodies is inescapable in our society, so it’s easy for subconscious beliefs about food and bodies to infiltrate sessions.</li>
<li>Therapists’ self-disclosures should be limited and focus on affirming client’s experience.</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>What to Know When Providing Therapy for Elite Athletes</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/what-to-know-when-providing-therapy-for-elite-athletes</link>
      <description>What to Know When Providing Therapy for Elite Athletes
Curt and Katie chat about the specific competence required to work with elite athletes. We explore how elite athletes present (including diagnosis) as well as what treatment looks like for elite athletes. We also talk about the training cycles and periodization, developmental stages, and identity formation for competitive athletes. We also look at what healthy training environments include and how athletes can take care of their own well-being. 
In this podcast episode we look at what therapists need to know about working with elite athletes
For our second continuing education worthy podcast, we wanted to support therapists in understanding what they need to know (or know that they don’t know) about working with elite athletes.
The differences between being a fan and being competent to work with elite athletes

The types of competence needed to support athletes who are at an elite level

Sports psychology and other areas of specialty to support athletes

The stringent criteria to be called a sports psychologist

What diagnoses do athletes present with when they enter therapy?

Not necessarily anxiety, but it can be anxiety related or unrelated to sport

Diagnoses can be related to the sport due to body, substance, or changes in circumstances

Diagnoses can also be related to other elements of their life and transitions

What does treatment look like for elite athletes?

High school and college athletes are most likely the clients we’ll see

The integral nature of their team and who is best to be included in the treatment team

Logistics and scheduling due to games and practices, obtaining required consents

Training schedules, food information is relevant to therapeutic work

The different goals for elite athletes than for other folks who enjoy sports

Looking at in the moment frustrations versus a desire to leave the sport

Sports assessments to identify athletic coping skills

Helping athletes to make decisions for themselves and identify when it’s burnout and when it’s a mismatch

Understanding training cycles and the impact on athlete clients

Specific language that athletes may use

Periodization, micro, meso, and macro cycles in training

The importance of planned growth and rest as well as peaking at the right time

The focus of timing for everything

How injuries or changes in schedule (like with covid) can impact this timing and what that means for athletes

Developmental factors for young athletes

The focus of training for younger children as well as the investment phase for youth

Developing one’s identity as an athlete

What can positively impact and negatively impact the future commitment to sport

Other developmental factors related to being a teen interacting with these developmental elements

What a balanced life looks like for elite athletes

Who athletes spend time with, share their life with

The hobbies that complement the sport

Understanding how maintenance impacts the rest of the schedule

The factors that improve an athlete’s well-being

Myths related to the tangential benefits of being an elite athlete (i.e., I’ll get college paid for)

The importance of having a therapist who isn’t just a “fan”

The differences between team and individual sports

The competency needed related to understanding the sport to understand all of the dynamics

What good social systems around athletes have in common

The understanding of how each person in the athlete’s circle interacts with the goals

The culture created within the team and with the people around the athlete

Simone Biles and Naomi Osaka – a look at how they have been taking care of themselves

The transition out of being an elite athlete

Injury and unplanned retirement

Planning for an intentional retirement

Moving out of the athlete identity into something new</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What to Know When Providing Therapy for Elite Athletes</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What to Know When Providing Therapy for Elite Athletes Curt and Katie chat about the specific competence required to work with elite athletes. We explore how elite athletes present (including diagnosis) as well as what treatment looks like for elite...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What to Know When Providing Therapy for Elite Athletes
Curt and Katie chat about the specific competence required to work with elite athletes. We explore how elite athletes present (including diagnosis) as well as what treatment looks like for elite athletes. We also talk about the training cycles and periodization, developmental stages, and identity formation for competitive athletes. We also look at what healthy training environments include and how athletes can take care of their own well-being. 
In this podcast episode we look at what therapists need to know about working with elite athletes
For our second continuing education worthy podcast, we wanted to support therapists in understanding what they need to know (or know that they don’t know) about working with elite athletes.
The differences between being a fan and being competent to work with elite athletes

The types of competence needed to support athletes who are at an elite level

Sports psychology and other areas of specialty to support athletes

The stringent criteria to be called a sports psychologist

What diagnoses do athletes present with when they enter therapy?

Not necessarily anxiety, but it can be anxiety related or unrelated to sport

Diagnoses can be related to the sport due to body, substance, or changes in circumstances

Diagnoses can also be related to other elements of their life and transitions

What does treatment look like for elite athletes?

High school and college athletes are most likely the clients we’ll see

The integral nature of their team and who is best to be included in the treatment team

Logistics and scheduling due to games and practices, obtaining required consents

Training schedules, food information is relevant to therapeutic work

The different goals for elite athletes than for other folks who enjoy sports

Looking at in the moment frustrations versus a desire to leave the sport

Sports assessments to identify athletic coping skills

Helping athletes to make decisions for themselves and identify when it’s burnout and when it’s a mismatch

Understanding training cycles and the impact on athlete clients

Specific language that athletes may use

Periodization, micro, meso, and macro cycles in training

The importance of planned growth and rest as well as peaking at the right time

The focus of timing for everything

How injuries or changes in schedule (like with covid) can impact this timing and what that means for athletes

Developmental factors for young athletes

The focus of training for younger children as well as the investment phase for youth

Developing one’s identity as an athlete

What can positively impact and negatively impact the future commitment to sport

Other developmental factors related to being a teen interacting with these developmental elements

What a balanced life looks like for elite athletes

Who athletes spend time with, share their life with

The hobbies that complement the sport

Understanding how maintenance impacts the rest of the schedule

The factors that improve an athlete’s well-being

Myths related to the tangential benefits of being an elite athlete (i.e., I’ll get college paid for)

The importance of having a therapist who isn’t just a “fan”

The differences between team and individual sports

The competency needed related to understanding the sport to understand all of the dynamics

What good social systems around athletes have in common

The understanding of how each person in the athlete’s circle interacts with the goals

The culture created within the team and with the people around the athlete

Simone Biles and Naomi Osaka – a look at how they have been taking care of themselves

The transition out of being an elite athlete

Injury and unplanned retirement

Planning for an intentional retirement

Moving out of the athlete identity into something new</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What to Know When Providing Therapy for Elite Athletes</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the specific competence required to work with elite athletes. We explore how elite athletes present (including diagnosis) as well as what treatment looks like for elite athletes. We also talk about the training cycles and periodization, developmental stages, and identity formation for competitive athletes. We also look at what healthy training environments include and how athletes can take care of their own well-being. </p><p>In this podcast episode we look at what therapists need to know about working with elite athletes</p><p>For our second <a href="https://learn.moderntherapistcommunity.com/pages/podcourse">continuing education worthy podcast</a>, we wanted to support therapists in understanding what they need to know (or know that they don’t know) about working with elite athletes.</p><p>The differences between being a fan and being competent to work with elite athletes</p><ul>
<li>The types of competence needed to support athletes who are at an elite level</li>
<li>Sports psychology and other areas of specialty to support athletes</li>
<li>The stringent criteria to be called a sports psychologist</li>
</ul><p>What diagnoses do athletes present with when they enter therapy?</p><ul>
<li>Not necessarily anxiety, but it can be anxiety related or unrelated to sport</li>
<li>Diagnoses can be related to the sport due to body, substance, or changes in circumstances</li>
<li>Diagnoses can also be related to other elements of their life and transitions</li>
</ul><p>What does treatment look like for elite athletes?</p><ul>
<li>High school and college athletes are most likely the clients we’ll see</li>
<li>The integral nature of their team and who is best to be included in the treatment team</li>
<li>Logistics and scheduling due to games and practices, obtaining required consents</li>
<li>Training schedules, food information is relevant to therapeutic work</li>
<li>The different goals for elite athletes than for other folks who enjoy sports</li>
<li>Looking at in the moment frustrations versus a desire to leave the sport</li>
<li>Sports assessments to identify athletic coping skills</li>
<li>Helping athletes to make decisions for themselves and identify when it’s burnout and when it’s a mismatch</li>
</ul><p>Understanding training cycles and the impact on athlete clients</p><ul>
<li>Specific language that athletes may use</li>
<li>Periodization, micro, meso, and macro cycles in training</li>
<li>The importance of planned growth and rest as well as peaking at the right time</li>
<li>The focus of timing for everything</li>
<li>How injuries or changes in schedule (like with covid) can impact this timing and what that means for athletes</li>
</ul><p>Developmental factors for young athletes</p><ul>
<li>The focus of training for younger children as well as the investment phase for youth</li>
<li>Developing one’s identity as an athlete</li>
<li>What can positively impact and negatively impact the future commitment to sport</li>
<li>Other developmental factors related to being a teen interacting with these developmental elements</li>
</ul><p>What a balanced life looks like for elite athletes</p><ul>
<li>Who athletes spend time with, share their life with</li>
<li>The hobbies that complement the sport</li>
<li>Understanding how maintenance impacts the rest of the schedule</li>
</ul><p>The factors that improve an athlete’s well-being</p><ul>
<li>Myths related to the tangential benefits of being an elite athlete (i.e., I’ll get college paid for)</li>
<li>The importance of having a therapist who isn’t just a “fan”</li>
<li>The differences between team and individual sports</li>
<li>The competency needed related to understanding the sport to understand all of the dynamics</li>
<li>What good social systems around athletes have in common</li>
<li>The understanding of how each person in the athlete’s circle interacts with the goals</li>
<li>The culture created within the team and with the people around the athlete</li>
<li>Simone Biles and Naomi Osaka – a look at how they have been taking care of themselves</li>
</ul><p>The transition out of being an elite athlete</p><ul>
<li>Injury and unplanned retirement</li>
<li>Planning for an intentional retirement</li>
<li>Moving out of the athlete identity into something new</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Antiracist Practices in the Room: An Interview with Dr. Allen Lipscomb</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/antiracist-practices-in-the-room-an-interview-with-dr-allen-lipscomb</link>
      <description>Antiracist Practices in the Room: An Interview with Dr. Allen Lipscomb
Curt and Katie speak with Dr. Allen Lipscomb, PsyD, LCSW about what therapists should consider in working with Black clients, common mistakes, and implementing anti-racist procedures into practice. What can therapists do better? Where is graduate education lacking? How do we respect and explore our Black client’s narratives? Who can work with Black clients? How can therapists help clients heal from race-based trauma?
How can we do better with our Black male clients?

Black male grief shows up in different ways than other client’s grief might show up.

When assessing Black males for psychosis or conspiracy theories, ensure that you look at the context of their lived experience before determining psychosis

The traumatic experiences of racialization, trauma, and mistreatment that many Black people can sound like lead to thoughts that might sound psychotic to an uneducated clinician.

Listen to the client’s narratives. Question what the themes and patterns are and if the thought is maladaptive to their functioning and well-being.

Utilize FIDO: frequency, intensity, duration and onset in questioning clients

If a clinician is unsure if a thought is a conspiracy or legitimate threat, assess for how the client’s community is responding to the client’s narrative

Ask clients how the session was for them. How was it for you to meet with me? Acknowledge your cultural limitations and create an invitation for the client to let you know when you can do better.

Be mindful, Black male clients might be minimizing their experiences to be “less threatening.” This is the cultural congruency dichotomy that clients often have to take to avoid further potential trauma.

What does it mean to be antiracist?

Clients might be resistant to bringing up a clinician’s whiteness in the space.

Black clients might not think that a white clinician has the capability or desire to talk about race. It is the responsibility of the clinician to actively establish the openness of the space to discuss race and the client’s lived experience.

This should be a continuous conversation that is led by therapists, to make the topic open until it feels naturally open.

It’s affirming to have someone who is white in a position of power to say to me – hey I recognize we’re racially different and we could have a different experience how that shows up in this space.

You can catch moments where anti-racist action could’ve been taken or acknowledged in the next session, if missed during a session.

The need to revamp our graduate programs to be anti-oppressive and anti-racist

How to show up as an ally in the room, without centering your own experience

What is Dr. Allen Lipscomb’s BRuH Method?

The BRuH Method, or BAT, stands for BRuH Approach to Therapy.

BRuH stands for Bonding through Recognition to promote Understanding in Healing when providing therapeutic services to Black men specifically.

The approach is modeled off of other therapeutic approaches like CBT and DBT

Phases include: Bonding Phase, Recognition Phase, Understanding Phase, Healing Phase

The clinician is always doing aspects of the various phases throughout the course of treatment

This is not an evidence-based practice but an honoring based practice

The evidence of efficacy in this practice comes when you see your clients continuously returning to receive more sessions, from the feedback they give you, and the improvements in day-to-day life.

Who can work with Black male clients?

There can be an urge for white therapists to refer clients of color, especially Black men, to Black clinicians

These referrals are unnecessary. A therapist of any background, if holding the space correctly and connecting with the client’s felt experience, can work with a client of color, specifically Black men.

It’s important to be mindful that questions asked to clients are not investigative or for the purpose of educating the therapist.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Antiracist Practices in the Room: An Interview with Dr. Allen Lipscomb</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/80082fc8-690e-11ed-9001-6742295929ee/image/Episode_246.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Antiracist Practices in the Room: An Interview with Dr. Allen Lipscomb Curt and Katie speak with Dr. Allen Lipscomb, PsyD, LCSW about what therapists should consider in working with Black clients, common mistakes, and implementing anti-racist...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Antiracist Practices in the Room: An Interview with Dr. Allen Lipscomb
Curt and Katie speak with Dr. Allen Lipscomb, PsyD, LCSW about what therapists should consider in working with Black clients, common mistakes, and implementing anti-racist procedures into practice. What can therapists do better? Where is graduate education lacking? How do we respect and explore our Black client’s narratives? Who can work with Black clients? How can therapists help clients heal from race-based trauma?
How can we do better with our Black male clients?

Black male grief shows up in different ways than other client’s grief might show up.

When assessing Black males for psychosis or conspiracy theories, ensure that you look at the context of their lived experience before determining psychosis

The traumatic experiences of racialization, trauma, and mistreatment that many Black people can sound like lead to thoughts that might sound psychotic to an uneducated clinician.

Listen to the client’s narratives. Question what the themes and patterns are and if the thought is maladaptive to their functioning and well-being.

Utilize FIDO: frequency, intensity, duration and onset in questioning clients

If a clinician is unsure if a thought is a conspiracy or legitimate threat, assess for how the client’s community is responding to the client’s narrative

Ask clients how the session was for them. How was it for you to meet with me? Acknowledge your cultural limitations and create an invitation for the client to let you know when you can do better.

Be mindful, Black male clients might be minimizing their experiences to be “less threatening.” This is the cultural congruency dichotomy that clients often have to take to avoid further potential trauma.

What does it mean to be antiracist?

Clients might be resistant to bringing up a clinician’s whiteness in the space.

Black clients might not think that a white clinician has the capability or desire to talk about race. It is the responsibility of the clinician to actively establish the openness of the space to discuss race and the client’s lived experience.

This should be a continuous conversation that is led by therapists, to make the topic open until it feels naturally open.

It’s affirming to have someone who is white in a position of power to say to me – hey I recognize we’re racially different and we could have a different experience how that shows up in this space.

You can catch moments where anti-racist action could’ve been taken or acknowledged in the next session, if missed during a session.

The need to revamp our graduate programs to be anti-oppressive and anti-racist

How to show up as an ally in the room, without centering your own experience

What is Dr. Allen Lipscomb’s BRuH Method?

The BRuH Method, or BAT, stands for BRuH Approach to Therapy.

BRuH stands for Bonding through Recognition to promote Understanding in Healing when providing therapeutic services to Black men specifically.

The approach is modeled off of other therapeutic approaches like CBT and DBT

Phases include: Bonding Phase, Recognition Phase, Understanding Phase, Healing Phase

The clinician is always doing aspects of the various phases throughout the course of treatment

This is not an evidence-based practice but an honoring based practice

The evidence of efficacy in this practice comes when you see your clients continuously returning to receive more sessions, from the feedback they give you, and the improvements in day-to-day life.

Who can work with Black male clients?

There can be an urge for white therapists to refer clients of color, especially Black men, to Black clinicians

These referrals are unnecessary. A therapist of any background, if holding the space correctly and connecting with the client’s felt experience, can work with a client of color, specifically Black men.

It’s important to be mindful that questions asked to clients are not investigative or for the purpose of educating the therapist.</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Antiracist Practices in the Room: An Interview with Dr. Allen Lipscomb</p><p>Curt and Katie speak with Dr. Allen Lipscomb, PsyD, LCSW about what therapists should consider in working with Black clients, common mistakes, and implementing anti-racist procedures into practice. What can therapists do better? Where is graduate education lacking? How do we respect and explore our Black client’s narratives? Who can work with Black clients? How can therapists help clients heal from race-based trauma?</p><p>How can we do better with our Black male clients?</p><ul>
<li>Black male grief shows up in different ways than other client’s grief might show up.</li>
<li>When assessing Black males for psychosis or conspiracy theories, ensure that you look at the context of their lived experience before determining psychosis</li>
<li>The traumatic experiences of racialization, trauma, and mistreatment that many Black people can sound like lead to thoughts that might sound psychotic to an uneducated clinician.</li>
<li>Listen to the client’s narratives. Question what the themes and patterns are and if the thought is maladaptive to their functioning and well-being.</li>
<li>Utilize FIDO: frequency, intensity, duration and onset in questioning clients</li>
<li>If a clinician is unsure if a thought is a conspiracy or legitimate threat, assess for how the client’s community is responding to the client’s narrative</li>
<li>Ask clients how the session was for them. How was it for you to meet with me? Acknowledge your cultural limitations and create an invitation for the client to let you know when you can do better.</li>
<li>Be mindful, Black male clients might be minimizing their experiences to be “less threatening.” This is the cultural congruency dichotomy that clients often have to take to avoid further potential trauma.</li>
</ul><p>What does it mean to be antiracist?</p><ul>
<li>Clients might be resistant to bringing up a clinician’s whiteness in the space.</li>
<li>Black clients might not think that a white clinician has the capability or desire to talk about race. It is the responsibility of the clinician to actively establish the openness of the space to discuss race and the client’s lived experience.</li>
<li>This should be a continuous conversation that is led by therapists, to make the topic open until it feels naturally open.</li>
<li>It’s affirming to have someone who is white in a position of power to say to me – hey I recognize we’re racially different and we could have a different experience how that shows up in this space.</li>
<li>You can catch moments where anti-racist action could’ve been taken or acknowledged in the next session, if missed during a session.</li>
<li>The need to revamp our graduate programs to be anti-oppressive and anti-racist</li>
<li>How to show up as an ally in the room, without centering your own experience</li>
</ul><p>What is Dr. Allen Lipscomb’s BRuH Method?</p><ul>
<li>The BRuH Method, or BAT, stands for BRuH Approach to Therapy.</li>
<li>BRuH stands for Bonding through Recognition to promote Understanding in Healing when providing therapeutic services to Black men specifically.</li>
<li>The approach is modeled off of other therapeutic approaches like CBT and DBT</li>
<li>Phases include: Bonding Phase, Recognition Phase, Understanding Phase, Healing Phase</li>
<li>The clinician is always doing aspects of the various phases throughout the course of treatment</li>
<li>This is not an evidence-based practice but an honoring based practice</li>
<li>The evidence of efficacy in this practice comes when you see your clients continuously returning to receive more sessions, from the feedback they give you, and the improvements in day-to-day life.</li>
</ul><p>Who can work with Black male clients?</p><ul>
<li>There can be an urge for white therapists to refer clients of color, especially Black men, to Black clinicians</li>
<li>These referrals are unnecessary. A therapist of any background, if holding the space correctly and connecting with the client’s felt experience, can work with a client of color, specifically Black men.</li>
<li>It’s important to be mindful that questions asked to clients are not investigative or for the purpose of educating the therapist.</li>
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      <title>What Can Therapists Say About Celebrities? The ethics of public statements</title>
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      <description>What Can Therapists Say About Celebrities? The ethics of public statements
Curt and Katie chat about whether therapists should make public statements and diagnose public figures. This is our first continuing education eligible podcast, discussing the ethics of speaking out about the mental health of people in the public eye. We explore the origins of the Goldwater rule, a group of psychiatrists who purposefully broke it, and how masters level organizations address this concern. We also provide you with some ideas about how you can make this decision for yourself.
In this podcast episode we look at the ethics of modern therapists diagnosing public figures
For our first continuing education worthy podcast, we wanted to address something that is becoming more and more prevalent in our field: therapists speaking out about the mental health of public figures.
What is the Goldwater Rule?

The history of the Goldwater Rule

The impact of DSM II (and the update to DSM III)

The original intention of the rule versus the current interpretation of the Goldwater Rule

Fears from the American Psychiatric Association that seems to have driven the development of (and on-going commitment to) this rule

How the Goldwater Rule (and Similar Ethical Principles) Have Shifted Over Time

Perspective from one of the original framers of the Goldwater Rule

Moving from teleological to deontological interpretations

How the internet and social media has changed the landscape

The American Psychiatric Association expanding their commitment to the Goldwater Rule, stating reasons psychiatrists should not assess

The Goldwater “Caveat” or “Principle” versus Goldwater “Rule” or even Goldwater “Doctrine”

Beyond diagnosis to restricting any comment on the behavior or mental health of a public figure

The stance on this ethic from American Psychological Association and the large Masters Level Organizations (AAMFT, ACA, NASW, and CAMFT, for example)

The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump – the Public Diagnosis of an American President

The group of psychiatrists who pushed back on the Goldwater Rule

The Duty to Warn – does it apply here?

What are the challenges of accurately diagnosing Trump?

Where expertise is helpful (and how the public can water down diagnosis)

Current Guidelines for Modern Therapists

Whether diagnosis is required for a duty to warn

The tactic of putting forward information without drawing conclusions (and why we don’t like this strategy)

Specific guidance from the professional organizations on what therapists can and cannot do

Taking special care in how one decides what they say about an individual in public settings

Using one’s professional judgement and special care

Cautions When Using Your Professional Judgment

The potential harm of discussing diagnosis on social media

Bias, cultural factors, and other information that could make an inaccurate or harmful diagnosis

Mental health stigma and other concerns related to diagnostic language (ICD-10, DSM-V)

Speaking outside of your professional expertise

Questions to ask yourself before making a public statement</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Can Therapists Say About Celebrities? The ethics of public statements</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What Can Therapists Say About Celebrities? The ethics of public statements Curt and Katie chat about whether therapists should make public statements and diagnose public figures. This is our first continuing education eligible podcast, discussing the...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What Can Therapists Say About Celebrities? The ethics of public statements
Curt and Katie chat about whether therapists should make public statements and diagnose public figures. This is our first continuing education eligible podcast, discussing the ethics of speaking out about the mental health of people in the public eye. We explore the origins of the Goldwater rule, a group of psychiatrists who purposefully broke it, and how masters level organizations address this concern. We also provide you with some ideas about how you can make this decision for yourself.
In this podcast episode we look at the ethics of modern therapists diagnosing public figures
For our first continuing education worthy podcast, we wanted to address something that is becoming more and more prevalent in our field: therapists speaking out about the mental health of public figures.
What is the Goldwater Rule?

The history of the Goldwater Rule

The impact of DSM II (and the update to DSM III)

The original intention of the rule versus the current interpretation of the Goldwater Rule

Fears from the American Psychiatric Association that seems to have driven the development of (and on-going commitment to) this rule

How the Goldwater Rule (and Similar Ethical Principles) Have Shifted Over Time

Perspective from one of the original framers of the Goldwater Rule

Moving from teleological to deontological interpretations

How the internet and social media has changed the landscape

The American Psychiatric Association expanding their commitment to the Goldwater Rule, stating reasons psychiatrists should not assess

The Goldwater “Caveat” or “Principle” versus Goldwater “Rule” or even Goldwater “Doctrine”

Beyond diagnosis to restricting any comment on the behavior or mental health of a public figure

The stance on this ethic from American Psychological Association and the large Masters Level Organizations (AAMFT, ACA, NASW, and CAMFT, for example)

The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump – the Public Diagnosis of an American President

The group of psychiatrists who pushed back on the Goldwater Rule

The Duty to Warn – does it apply here?

What are the challenges of accurately diagnosing Trump?

Where expertise is helpful (and how the public can water down diagnosis)

Current Guidelines for Modern Therapists

Whether diagnosis is required for a duty to warn

The tactic of putting forward information without drawing conclusions (and why we don’t like this strategy)

Specific guidance from the professional organizations on what therapists can and cannot do

Taking special care in how one decides what they say about an individual in public settings

Using one’s professional judgement and special care

Cautions When Using Your Professional Judgment

The potential harm of discussing diagnosis on social media

Bias, cultural factors, and other information that could make an inaccurate or harmful diagnosis

Mental health stigma and other concerns related to diagnostic language (ICD-10, DSM-V)

Speaking outside of your professional expertise

Questions to ask yourself before making a public statement</itunes:summary>
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<li>The history of the Goldwater Rule</li>
<li>The impact of DSM II (and the update to DSM III)</li>
<li>The original intention of the rule versus the current interpretation of the Goldwater Rule</li>
<li>Fears from the American Psychiatric Association that seems to have driven the development of (and on-going commitment to) this rule</li>
</ul><p>How the Goldwater Rule (and Similar Ethical Principles) Have Shifted Over Time</p><ul>
<li>Perspective from one of the original framers of the Goldwater Rule</li>
<li>Moving from teleological to deontological interpretations</li>
<li>How the internet and social media has changed the landscape</li>
<li>The American Psychiatric Association expanding their commitment to the Goldwater Rule, stating reasons psychiatrists should not assess</li>
<li>The Goldwater “Caveat” or “Principle” versus Goldwater “Rule” or even Goldwater “Doctrine”</li>
<li>Beyond diagnosis to restricting any comment on the behavior or mental health of a public figure</li>
<li>The stance on this ethic from American Psychological Association and the large Masters Level Organizations (AAMFT, ACA, NASW, and CAMFT, for example)</li>
</ul><p>The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump – the Public Diagnosis of an American President</p><ul>
<li>The group of psychiatrists who pushed back on the Goldwater Rule</li>
<li>The Duty to Warn – does it apply here?</li>
<li>What are the challenges of accurately diagnosing Trump?</li>
<li>Where expertise is helpful (and how the public can water down diagnosis)</li>
</ul><p>Current Guidelines for Modern Therapists</p><ul>
<li>Whether diagnosis is required for a duty to warn</li>
<li>The tactic of putting forward information without drawing conclusions (and why we don’t like this strategy)</li>
<li>Specific guidance from the professional organizations on what therapists can and cannot do</li>
<li>Taking special care in how one decides what they say about an individual in public settings</li>
<li>Using one’s professional judgement and special care</li>
</ul><p>Cautions When Using Your Professional Judgment</p><ul>
<li>The potential harm of discussing diagnosis on social media</li>
<li>Bias, cultural factors, and other information that could make an inaccurate or harmful diagnosis</li>
<li>Mental health stigma and other concerns related to diagnostic language (ICD-10, DSM-V)</li>
<li>Speaking outside of your professional expertise</li>
<li>Questions to ask yourself before making a public statement</li>
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      <title>Working with Trans Clients: Trans Resilience and Gender Euphoria</title>
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      <description>Working with Trans Clients: Trans Resilience and Gender Euphoria
An interview with Beck Gee-Cohen, MA CADC-II, about how therapists can be better clinicians for trans people. Curt and Katie talk to Beck about gender identity (and why every therapist should do their own work around gender), historical perspectives on masculinity and femininity, the concepts of trans resilience and gender euphoria, the real problems with the DSM diagnosis of gender dysphoria and considerations for providing therapy to trans clients. 
Interview with Beck Gee-Cohen MA CADC-II Director of LGBTQ+ Programming
In this podcast episode we talk about trans mental health
We invited Beck Gee-Cohen, MA CADC-II to come talk with us about providing therapy for trans individuals.
Modern therapists need to keep learning when working with trans clients

Getting pronouns correct is a basic expectation at this point

Finding the balance between focusing on a client’s trans identity and other elements of their identity and experience

Understanding trans identity 101 is a basic level of knowledge that all therapists should have

What you do need to learn from your trans clients

Therapists need to do their own work around gender

The work that therapists must do around gender

The role that society plays in defining gender and the binary

The privilege cis folks have in not being asked to assess/address their gender

“Women’s” and “men’s” issues

Societal expectations related to gender

The history of gender expression and how what is acceptable has shifted

Cultural and generational differences related to gender

 The Concept of Trans Resilience

The tendency to focus on the pain of being trans

The bias and hate that trans folks face, and how they continue to show up

The importance of celebrating who you are as a trans person

“You’re so brave” doesn’t see the full picture

How hard it is to show up – and what it means that trans folks continue to do so

Moving away from just focusing on gender dysphoria versus looking at gender euphoria

 
Gender Dysphoria versus Gender Euphoria and the problems with the DSM

How the DSM is used for the medical needs of trans folks

The problem with assigning the diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria to an individual

Internalized gender dysphoria (it is not my dysphoria, it is the dysphoria of the people around me about my gender)

Playing around with gender shouldn’t be a diagnosis, it is so culturally bound

Trans individuals have to know what to report so they can get hormones (i.e., they may have to lie about being dysphoric in order to “check the boxes”)

The problem with gatekeeping and the hope that trans folks being in work groups to help shift these guidelines

 
Better Therapy for Trans Clients

Therapeutic alliance is the most important

How therapists can appropriately use vulnerability when a client comes out as trans

The likelihood of someone coming out initially versus after trust is built and how to handle it

Sharing the therapeutic process and how you will learn and educate yourself

The problem of signaling that you are capable of working with LGBTQ+ people when you are not trained

Awareness of how being trans impacts the client in front of you

When the client is coming into therapy due to their gender identity

Understanding the back story and how someone identified that “something is different”

Looking at what they want to do next (which may be very little or a full plan on how they handle being trans).</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Working with Trans Clients: Trans Resilience and Gender Euphoria</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Working with Trans Clients: Trans Resilience and Gender Euphoria An interview with Beck Gee-Cohen, MA CADC-II, about how therapists can be better clinicians for trans people. Curt and Katie talk to Beck about gender identity (and why every therapist...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Working with Trans Clients: Trans Resilience and Gender Euphoria
An interview with Beck Gee-Cohen, MA CADC-II, about how therapists can be better clinicians for trans people. Curt and Katie talk to Beck about gender identity (and why every therapist should do their own work around gender), historical perspectives on masculinity and femininity, the concepts of trans resilience and gender euphoria, the real problems with the DSM diagnosis of gender dysphoria and considerations for providing therapy to trans clients. 
Interview with Beck Gee-Cohen MA CADC-II Director of LGBTQ+ Programming
In this podcast episode we talk about trans mental health
We invited Beck Gee-Cohen, MA CADC-II to come talk with us about providing therapy for trans individuals.
Modern therapists need to keep learning when working with trans clients

Getting pronouns correct is a basic expectation at this point

Finding the balance between focusing on a client’s trans identity and other elements of their identity and experience

Understanding trans identity 101 is a basic level of knowledge that all therapists should have

What you do need to learn from your trans clients

Therapists need to do their own work around gender

The work that therapists must do around gender

The role that society plays in defining gender and the binary

The privilege cis folks have in not being asked to assess/address their gender

“Women’s” and “men’s” issues

Societal expectations related to gender

The history of gender expression and how what is acceptable has shifted

Cultural and generational differences related to gender

 The Concept of Trans Resilience

The tendency to focus on the pain of being trans

The bias and hate that trans folks face, and how they continue to show up

The importance of celebrating who you are as a trans person

“You’re so brave” doesn’t see the full picture

How hard it is to show up – and what it means that trans folks continue to do so

Moving away from just focusing on gender dysphoria versus looking at gender euphoria

 
Gender Dysphoria versus Gender Euphoria and the problems with the DSM

How the DSM is used for the medical needs of trans folks

The problem with assigning the diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria to an individual

Internalized gender dysphoria (it is not my dysphoria, it is the dysphoria of the people around me about my gender)

Playing around with gender shouldn’t be a diagnosis, it is so culturally bound

Trans individuals have to know what to report so they can get hormones (i.e., they may have to lie about being dysphoric in order to “check the boxes”)

The problem with gatekeeping and the hope that trans folks being in work groups to help shift these guidelines

 
Better Therapy for Trans Clients

Therapeutic alliance is the most important

How therapists can appropriately use vulnerability when a client comes out as trans

The likelihood of someone coming out initially versus after trust is built and how to handle it

Sharing the therapeutic process and how you will learn and educate yourself

The problem of signaling that you are capable of working with LGBTQ+ people when you are not trained

Awareness of how being trans impacts the client in front of you

When the client is coming into therapy due to their gender identity

Understanding the back story and how someone identified that “something is different”

Looking at what they want to do next (which may be very little or a full plan on how they handle being trans).</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Working with Trans Clients: Trans Resilience and Gender Euphoria</p><p>An interview with Beck Gee-Cohen, MA CADC-II, about how therapists can be better clinicians for trans people. Curt and Katie talk to Beck about gender identity (and why every therapist should do their own work around gender), historical perspectives on masculinity and femininity, the concepts of trans resilience and gender euphoria, the real problems with the DSM diagnosis of gender dysphoria and considerations for providing therapy to trans clients. </p><p>Interview with Beck Gee-Cohen MA CADC-II Director of LGBTQ+ Programming</p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about trans mental health</p><p>We invited Beck Gee-Cohen, MA CADC-II to come talk with us about providing therapy for trans individuals.</p><p>Modern therapists need to keep learning when working with trans clients</p><ul>
<li>Getting pronouns correct is a basic expectation at this point</li>
<li>Finding the balance between focusing on a client’s trans identity and other elements of their identity and experience</li>
<li>Understanding trans identity 101 is a basic level of knowledge that all therapists should have</li>
<li>What you do need to learn from your trans clients</li>
<li>Therapists need to do their own work around gender</li>
</ul><p>The work that therapists must do around gender</p><ul>
<li>The role that society plays in defining gender and the binary</li>
<li>The privilege cis folks have in not being asked to assess/address their gender</li>
<li>“Women’s” and “men’s” issues</li>
<li>Societal expectations related to gender</li>
<li>The history of gender expression and how what is acceptable has shifted</li>
<li>Cultural and generational differences related to gender</li>
</ul><p> The Concept of Trans Resilience</p><ul>
<li>The tendency to focus on the pain of being trans</li>
<li>The bias and hate that trans folks face, and how they continue to show up</li>
<li>The importance of celebrating who you are as a trans person</li>
<li>“You’re so brave” doesn’t see the full picture</li>
<li>How hard it is to show up – and what it means that trans folks continue to do so</li>
<li>Moving away from just focusing on gender dysphoria versus looking at gender euphoria</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Gender Dysphoria versus Gender Euphoria and the problems with the DSM</p><ul>
<li>How the DSM is used for the medical needs of trans folks</li>
<li>The problem with assigning the diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria to an individual</li>
<li>Internalized gender dysphoria (it is not my dysphoria, it is the dysphoria of the people around me about my gender)</li>
<li>Playing around with gender shouldn’t be a diagnosis, it is so culturally bound</li>
<li>Trans individuals have to know what to report so they can get hormones (i.e., they may have to lie about being dysphoric in order to “check the boxes”)</li>
<li>The problem with gatekeeping and the hope that trans folks being in work groups to help shift these guidelines</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Better Therapy for Trans Clients</p><ul>
<li>Therapeutic alliance is the most important</li>
<li>How therapists can appropriately use vulnerability when a client comes out as trans</li>
<li>The likelihood of someone coming out initially versus after trust is built and how to handle it</li>
<li>Sharing the therapeutic process and how you will learn and educate yourself</li>
<li>The problem of signaling that you are capable of working with LGBTQ+ people when you are not trained</li>
<li>Awareness of how being trans impacts the client in front of you</li>
<li>When the client is coming into therapy due to their gender identity</li>
<li>Understanding the back story and how someone identified that “something is different”</li>
<li>Looking at what they want to do next (which may be very little or a full plan on how they handle being trans).</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Who’s in the Room? Siri, Alexa, and Confidentiality</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/whos-in-the-room-siri-alexa-and-confidentiality</link>
      <description>Who’s in the Room? Siri, Alexa, and Confidentiality
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can maintain confidentiality in a world of AI assistants and smart devices. What duty do clinicians have to inform clients? How can we balance confidentiality with the reality of how commonly these devices are involved in therapy? Can telehealth therapy be completely confidential and data secure? We discuss our shift in clinical responsibility, best practices, and how we can minimize exposure of clinical data to ensure the confidentiality our clients expect and deserve.
In this podcast episode we talk about something therapists might not consider: smart devices and AI assistants
We received a couple of requests to talk about the impact of smart devices on confidentiality and their compliance with HIPAA within a therapeutic environment. We tackle this question in depth:
What are best practices for protecting client confidentiality with smart devices?

Turning off the phone, or placing the phone on “airplane mode”

Warning clients about their own smart devices and confidentiality risks

The ethical responsibilities to inform about limits of confidentiality and take precautions

It’s all about giving clients choice and information

What should therapists consider when smart devices and AI assistants are in the room?
 – Curt Widhalm

Whistle-blower reports on how often these devices are actually listening

Turning off your phone is a lot cheaper than identity theft

Consider your contacts, geolocation, and Wi-Fi connection

Some of this, as we progress into a more technological world, might be unavoidable

How do Alexa and Siri impact HIPAA compliance for therapists?

The importance of end-to-end encryption for all HIPAA activities (and your smart device may not be compliant)

The cost of HIPAA violations if identity theft can be traced back

Understand the risks you are taking, do what you can, and remember no one is perfect

What can modern therapists do with their smart devices?

GPS location services can be left on for a safety reason, emergency services use GPS location

Adjusting settings for voice activation, data sharing, when apps are running, locations, etc.

Turning off and airplane mode are also options

Always let the client know the limits of confidentiality

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Psychotherapy in Ontario: How Confidential is my Therapy? By Beth Mares, Registered Psychotherapist The Privacy Problem with Digital Assistants by Kaveh Waddell
Hey Siri and Alexa: Let's Talk Privacy Practices by Elizabeth Weise, USA Today
Patient and Consumer Safety Risks When Using Conversational Assistants for Medical Information: An Observational Study of Siri, Alexa, and Google Assistant, 2018
Hey Siri: Did you Break Confidentiality, or did I? By Nicole M. Arcuri Sanders, Counseling Today
Alexa, Siri, Google Assistant Not HIPAA Compliant, Psychiatry Advisor
Hey Alexa, are you HIPAA compliant? 2018
Person-Centered Tech
 </description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Who’s in the Room? Siri, Alexa, and Confidentiality </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Who’s in the Room? Siri, Alexa, and Confidentiality Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can maintain confidentiality in a world of AI assistants and smart devices. What duty do clinicians have to inform clients? How can we balance...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Who’s in the Room? Siri, Alexa, and Confidentiality
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can maintain confidentiality in a world of AI assistants and smart devices. What duty do clinicians have to inform clients? How can we balance confidentiality with the reality of how commonly these devices are involved in therapy? Can telehealth therapy be completely confidential and data secure? We discuss our shift in clinical responsibility, best practices, and how we can minimize exposure of clinical data to ensure the confidentiality our clients expect and deserve.
In this podcast episode we talk about something therapists might not consider: smart devices and AI assistants
We received a couple of requests to talk about the impact of smart devices on confidentiality and their compliance with HIPAA within a therapeutic environment. We tackle this question in depth:
What are best practices for protecting client confidentiality with smart devices?

Turning off the phone, or placing the phone on “airplane mode”

Warning clients about their own smart devices and confidentiality risks

The ethical responsibilities to inform about limits of confidentiality and take precautions

It’s all about giving clients choice and information

What should therapists consider when smart devices and AI assistants are in the room?
 – Curt Widhalm

Whistle-blower reports on how often these devices are actually listening

Turning off your phone is a lot cheaper than identity theft

Consider your contacts, geolocation, and Wi-Fi connection

Some of this, as we progress into a more technological world, might be unavoidable

How do Alexa and Siri impact HIPAA compliance for therapists?

The importance of end-to-end encryption for all HIPAA activities (and your smart device may not be compliant)

The cost of HIPAA violations if identity theft can be traced back

Understand the risks you are taking, do what you can, and remember no one is perfect

What can modern therapists do with their smart devices?

GPS location services can be left on for a safety reason, emergency services use GPS location

Adjusting settings for voice activation, data sharing, when apps are running, locations, etc.

Turning off and airplane mode are also options

Always let the client know the limits of confidentiality

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Psychotherapy in Ontario: How Confidential is my Therapy? By Beth Mares, Registered Psychotherapist The Privacy Problem with Digital Assistants by Kaveh Waddell
Hey Siri and Alexa: Let's Talk Privacy Practices by Elizabeth Weise, USA Today
Patient and Consumer Safety Risks When Using Conversational Assistants for Medical Information: An Observational Study of Siri, Alexa, and Google Assistant, 2018
Hey Siri: Did you Break Confidentiality, or did I? By Nicole M. Arcuri Sanders, Counseling Today
Alexa, Siri, Google Assistant Not HIPAA Compliant, Psychiatry Advisor
Hey Alexa, are you HIPAA compliant? 2018
Person-Centered Tech
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        <![CDATA[<p>Who’s in the Room? Siri, Alexa, and Confidentiality</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can maintain confidentiality in a world of AI assistants and smart devices. What duty do clinicians have to inform clients? How can we balance confidentiality with the reality of how commonly these devices are involved in therapy? Can telehealth therapy be completely confidential and data secure? We discuss our shift in clinical responsibility, best practices, and how we can minimize exposure of clinical data to ensure the confidentiality our clients expect and deserve.</p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about something therapists might not consider: smart devices and AI assistants</p><p>We received a couple of requests to talk about the impact of smart devices on confidentiality and their compliance with HIPAA within a therapeutic environment. We tackle this question in depth:</p><p>What are best practices for protecting client confidentiality with smart devices?</p><ul>
<li>Turning off the phone, or placing the phone on “airplane mode”</li>
<li>Warning clients about their own smart devices and confidentiality risks</li>
<li>The ethical responsibilities to inform about limits of confidentiality and take precautions</li>
<li>It’s all about giving clients choice and information</li>
</ul><p>What should therapists consider when smart devices and AI assistants are in the room?</p><p> – Curt Widhalm</p><ul>
<li>Whistle-blower reports on how often these devices are actually listening</li>
<li>Turning off your phone is a lot cheaper than identity theft</li>
<li>Consider your contacts, geolocation, and Wi-Fi connection</li>
<li>Some of this, as we progress into a more technological world, might be unavoidable</li>
</ul><p>How do Alexa and Siri impact HIPAA compliance for therapists?</p><ul>
<li>The importance of end-to-end encryption for all HIPAA activities (and your smart device may not be compliant)</li>
<li>The cost of HIPAA violations if identity theft can be traced back</li>
<li>Understand the risks you are taking, do what you can, and remember no one is perfect</li>
</ul><p>What can modern therapists do with their smart devices?</p><ul>
<li>GPS location services can be left on for a safety reason, emergency services use GPS location</li>
<li>Adjusting settings for voice activation, data sharing, when apps are running, locations, etc.</li>
<li>Turning off and airplane mode are also options</li>
<li>Always let the client know the limits of confidentiality</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.therapytorontotherapist.ca/therapy_confidentiality.htm">Psychotherapy in Ontario: How Confidential is my Therapy? By Beth Mares, Registered Psychotherapist</a> <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/the-privacy-problem-with-digital-assistants/483950/">The Privacy Problem with Digital Assistants by Kaveh Waddell</a></p><p><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/03/02/voice-privacy-computers-listening-rsa-echo-siri-hey-google-cortana/81134864/">Hey Siri and Alexa: Let's Talk Privacy Practices by Elizabeth Weise, USA Today</a></p><p><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30181110/">Patient and Consumer Safety Risks When Using Conversational Assistants for Medical Information: An Observational Study of Siri, Alexa, and Google Assistant, 2018</a></p><p><a href="https://ct.counseling.org/2020/01/hey-siri-did-you-break-confidentiality-or-did-i/">Hey Siri: Did you Break Confidentiality, or did I? By Nicole M. Arcuri Sanders, Counseling Today</a></p><p><a href="https://www.psychiatryadvisor.com/home/practice-management/alexa-siri-google-assistant-not-hipaa-compliant/">Alexa, Siri, Google Assistant Not HIPAA Compliant, Psychiatry Advisor</a></p><p><a href="https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/hey-alexa-are-you-hipaa-compliant">Hey Alexa, are you HIPAA compliant? 2018</a></p><p><a href="https://personcenteredtech.com/">Person-Centered Tech</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>How to Understand and Treat Psychosis</title>
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      <description>How to Understand and Treat Psychosis: An interview with Maggie Mullen, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Maggie Mullen, LCSW, a national trainer on culturally responsive, evidence-based care for psychotic spectrum disorders. We talk with Maggie about their anti-racist and disability justice framework of psychosis, understanding psychosis on a spectrum, what to do when psychosis enters the treatment picture, assessment of psychosis, and treatment using Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). We also talk about how society defines “normal” and pathology, exploring cultural differences in these definitions.
Interview with Maggie Mullen, LCSW
In this podcast episode we talk about looking at psychosis differently
Maggie Mullen’s anti-racist and disability justice framework of psychosis

Maggie came from a community organizing background

Inequity and lack of resources for people who experience chronic psychosis

The focus on medication rather than other forms of treatment for psychosis

BIPOC individuals being shot by police when psychosis shows up in a public space

“Psychotic spectrum” versus the segregation of psychosis as “other”
“We are often the least prepared to deal with our most acute clients”

The continued segregation of psychotic disorders

Cultural considerations when determining what is psychosis or other types of experiences

The lack of inclusion of psychosis in the research

Psychosis is not “other” but is actually a spectrum of behaviors and are very common

The symptoms of psychosis are not constant, they fluctuate for every individual

The importance of following the model and voices of the disability justice movement

Including education on the treatment for psychosis, rather than allowing therapists to opt out

Folks with psychosis are often not included in the research, which needs to change

What to do when psychosis comes into the treatment picture for our clients

We need more training on psychosis to feel confident

Normalizing the experience of psychosis

Helping to make peace with psychotic symptoms (i.e., making friends with the voices) to decrease distress

Looking at treatments beyond medication

How to identify psychosis and assess for impact and impairment

The myth that all elements of psychosis are distressing and bad

Why Maggie Mullen is using Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) to treat psychosis
“People with psychosis deal with emotion dysregulation, actually more so than the average person…that's where we know DBT is really effective”

We frequently underestimate the ability to help folks with psychosis

Using DBT skills for emotion regulation concerns that frequently come up in psychosis

Psychosis and PTSD oftentimes occur together and aren’t always diagnosed

Trauma can influence the onset of psychosis AND psychosis can be traumatic

Maggie’s pilot program with DBT for psychosis

The concrete and straight forward nature of DBT skills make them very accessible

Understanding psychosis differently, including the cultural differences of what is “normal”

How to identify what is “real” and what is psychosis

How do you define what is normal for someone?

What do we decide what we pathologize?

Breaking up the binary of normal or not normal – reframing as “experience”

The importance of understanding what is negatively impacting the client and how to keep clients safe

Take the lead of your client and trust that they know themselves best

The tension between taking the lead of the client and mandates and requirements as a therapist

The Dialectical Behavior Therapy Skills Workbook for Psychosis by Maggie Mullen, LCSW

Maggie wrote a book to democratize DBT skills

Using DBT, but making the skills more concrete and accessible </description>
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      <itunes:summary>How to Understand and Treat Psychosis: An interview with Maggie Mullen, LCSW
Curt and Katie interview Maggie Mullen, LCSW, a national trainer on culturally responsive, evidence-based care for psychotic spectrum disorders. We talk with Maggie about their anti-racist and disability justice framework of psychosis, understanding psychosis on a spectrum, what to do when psychosis enters the treatment picture, assessment of psychosis, and treatment using Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). We also talk about how society defines “normal” and pathology, exploring cultural differences in these definitions.
Interview with Maggie Mullen, LCSW
In this podcast episode we talk about looking at psychosis differently
Maggie Mullen’s anti-racist and disability justice framework of psychosis

Maggie came from a community organizing background

Inequity and lack of resources for people who experience chronic psychosis

The focus on medication rather than other forms of treatment for psychosis

BIPOC individuals being shot by police when psychosis shows up in a public space

“Psychotic spectrum” versus the segregation of psychosis as “other”
“We are often the least prepared to deal with our most acute clients”

The continued segregation of psychotic disorders

Cultural considerations when determining what is psychosis or other types of experiences

The lack of inclusion of psychosis in the research

Psychosis is not “other” but is actually a spectrum of behaviors and are very common

The symptoms of psychosis are not constant, they fluctuate for every individual

The importance of following the model and voices of the disability justice movement

Including education on the treatment for psychosis, rather than allowing therapists to opt out

Folks with psychosis are often not included in the research, which needs to change

What to do when psychosis comes into the treatment picture for our clients

We need more training on psychosis to feel confident

Normalizing the experience of psychosis

Helping to make peace with psychotic symptoms (i.e., making friends with the voices) to decrease distress

Looking at treatments beyond medication

How to identify psychosis and assess for impact and impairment

The myth that all elements of psychosis are distressing and bad

Why Maggie Mullen is using Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) to treat psychosis
“People with psychosis deal with emotion dysregulation, actually more so than the average person…that's where we know DBT is really effective”

We frequently underestimate the ability to help folks with psychosis

Using DBT skills for emotion regulation concerns that frequently come up in psychosis

Psychosis and PTSD oftentimes occur together and aren’t always diagnosed

Trauma can influence the onset of psychosis AND psychosis can be traumatic

Maggie’s pilot program with DBT for psychosis

The concrete and straight forward nature of DBT skills make them very accessible

Understanding psychosis differently, including the cultural differences of what is “normal”

How to identify what is “real” and what is psychosis

How do you define what is normal for someone?

What do we decide what we pathologize?

Breaking up the binary of normal or not normal – reframing as “experience”

The importance of understanding what is negatively impacting the client and how to keep clients safe

Take the lead of your client and trust that they know themselves best

The tension between taking the lead of the client and mandates and requirements as a therapist

The Dialectical Behavior Therapy Skills Workbook for Psychosis by Maggie Mullen, LCSW

Maggie wrote a book to democratize DBT skills

Using DBT, but making the skills more concrete and accessible </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>How to Understand and Treat Psychosis: An interview with Maggie Mullen, LCSW</p><p>Curt and Katie interview Maggie Mullen, LCSW, a national trainer on culturally responsive, evidence-based care for psychotic spectrum disorders. We talk with Maggie about their anti-racist and disability justice framework of psychosis, understanding psychosis on a spectrum, what to do when psychosis enters the treatment picture, assessment of psychosis, and treatment using Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). We also talk about how society defines “normal” and pathology, exploring cultural differences in these definitions.</p><p>Interview with Maggie Mullen, LCSW</p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about looking at psychosis differently</p><p>Maggie Mullen’s anti-racist and disability justice framework of psychosis</p><ul>
<li>Maggie came from a community organizing background</li>
<li>Inequity and lack of resources for people who experience chronic psychosis</li>
<li>The focus on medication rather than other forms of treatment for psychosis</li>
<li>BIPOC individuals being shot by police when psychosis shows up in a public space</li>
</ul><p>“Psychotic spectrum” versus the segregation of psychosis as “other”</p><p>“We are often the least prepared to deal with our most acute clients”</p><ul>
<li>The continued segregation of psychotic disorders</li>
<li>Cultural considerations when determining what is psychosis or other types of experiences</li>
<li>The lack of inclusion of psychosis in the research</li>
<li>Psychosis is not “other” but is actually a spectrum of behaviors and are very common</li>
<li>The symptoms of psychosis are not constant, they fluctuate for every individual</li>
<li>The importance of following the model and voices of the disability justice movement</li>
<li>Including education on the treatment for psychosis, rather than allowing therapists to opt out</li>
<li>Folks with psychosis are often not included in the research, which needs to change</li>
</ul><p>What to do when psychosis comes into the treatment picture for our clients</p><ul>
<li>We need more training on psychosis to feel confident</li>
<li>Normalizing the experience of psychosis</li>
<li>Helping to make peace with psychotic symptoms (i.e., making friends with the voices) to decrease distress</li>
<li>Looking at treatments beyond medication</li>
<li>How to identify psychosis and assess for impact and impairment</li>
<li>The myth that all elements of psychosis are distressing and bad</li>
</ul><p>Why Maggie Mullen is using Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) to treat psychosis</p><p>“People with psychosis deal with emotion dysregulation, actually more so than the average person…that's where we know DBT is really effective”</p><ul>
<li>We frequently underestimate the ability to help folks with psychosis</li>
<li>Using DBT skills for emotion regulation concerns that frequently come up in psychosis</li>
<li>Psychosis and PTSD oftentimes occur together and aren’t always diagnosed</li>
<li>Trauma can influence the onset of psychosis AND psychosis can be traumatic</li>
<li>Maggie’s pilot program with DBT for psychosis</li>
<li>The concrete and straight forward nature of DBT skills make them very accessible</li>
</ul><p>Understanding psychosis differently, including the cultural differences of what is “normal”</p><ul>
<li>How to identify what is “real” and what is psychosis</li>
<li>How do you define what is normal for someone?</li>
<li>What do we decide what we pathologize?</li>
<li>Breaking up the binary of normal or not normal – reframing as “experience”</li>
<li>The importance of understanding what is negatively impacting the client and how to keep clients safe</li>
<li>Take the lead of your client and trust that they know themselves best</li>
<li>The tension between taking the lead of the client and mandates and requirements as a therapist</li>
</ul><p>The Dialectical Behavior Therapy Skills Workbook for Psychosis by Maggie Mullen, LCSW</p><ul>
<li>Maggie wrote a book to democratize DBT skills</li>
<li>Using DBT, but making the skills more concrete and accessible </li>
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      <title>Which Theoretical Orientation Should You Choose?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/which-theoretical-orientation-should-you-choose</link>
      <description>Which Theoretical Orientation Should You Choose?
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists typically select their clinical theoretical orientation for treatment. We look at the different elements of theoretical orientation (including case conceptualization, treatment interventions, and common factors), what impacts our choices, the importance of having a variety of clinical models to draw from, the types of practices that focus on only one clinical theory, and suggestions about how to approach choosing your theories for treatment, including some helpful assessments.
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists pick their theoretical orientation
We received a couple of requests to talk about clinical theoretical orientation and how Curt and Katie chose their own. We tackle this question in depth:
Choosing a clinical theoretical orientation

The problem with the term “eclectic” when describing a clinical orientation

How Curt and Katie each define their clinical orientations

“Multi-modal” therapy

The different elements of clinical orientations

Case conceptualization

Treatment interventions

Common Factors and what actually makes therapy work

What impacts which theoretical orientation we choose as therapists

Clinical supervision

Training

Personal values and alignment with a theoretical orientation

Common sense (what makes sense to you logically)

Choosing interventions that you like

The importance of having a variety of clinical theories that you can draw from

Comprehensive understanding is required to be able to apply and know when not to apply a clinical orientation

Avoid fitting a client’s presentation into your one clinical orientation

Deliberate, intentional use of different orientations

Why some therapy practices operate with a single clinical model

Comprehensive Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) therapists run their practices and their lives with DBT principals

Going deeply into a very specific theory (like DBT, EMDR, EFT, etc.) while you learn it

Researchers are more likely to be singularly focused on one theory

Suggestions on How to Approach Choosing Your Clinical Theoretical Orientation

Obtain a comprehensive understanding of the theoretical orientation

Understand the theory behind the interventions

Recognizing when to use a very specific theory or when you can be more “eclectic” in your approach

Deciding how fluid you’d like to be with your theoretical orientation

Find what gels with you and do more of that

The ability to pretty dramatically shift your theoretical orientation later in your career

Instruments for Choosing a Theoretical Orientation

 Theoretical Orientation Scale (Smith, 2010)

Counselor Theoretical Position Scale

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Institute for Creative Mindfulness
Very Bad Therapy Podcast
Petko, Kendrick and Young (2016): Selecting a Theory of Counseling: What influences a counseling student to choose?
What is the Best Type of Therapy Elimination Game
 The Practice of Multimodal Therapy by Arnold A. Lazarus
Poznanski and McClennan (2007): Measuring Counsellor Theoretical Orientation
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Unlearning Very Bad Therapy
 Interview with Dr. Diane Gehart: An Incomplete List of Everything Wrong with Therapist Education
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      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2022 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Which Theoretical Orientation Should You Choose?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Which Theoretical Orientation Should You Choose? Curt and Katie chat about how therapists typically select their clinical theoretical orientation for treatment. We look at the different elements of theoretical orientation (including case...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Which Theoretical Orientation Should You Choose?
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists typically select their clinical theoretical orientation for treatment. We look at the different elements of theoretical orientation (including case conceptualization, treatment interventions, and common factors), what impacts our choices, the importance of having a variety of clinical models to draw from, the types of practices that focus on only one clinical theory, and suggestions about how to approach choosing your theories for treatment, including some helpful assessments.
In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists pick their theoretical orientation
We received a couple of requests to talk about clinical theoretical orientation and how Curt and Katie chose their own. We tackle this question in depth:
Choosing a clinical theoretical orientation

The problem with the term “eclectic” when describing a clinical orientation

How Curt and Katie each define their clinical orientations

“Multi-modal” therapy

The different elements of clinical orientations

Case conceptualization

Treatment interventions

Common Factors and what actually makes therapy work

What impacts which theoretical orientation we choose as therapists

Clinical supervision

Training

Personal values and alignment with a theoretical orientation

Common sense (what makes sense to you logically)

Choosing interventions that you like

The importance of having a variety of clinical theories that you can draw from

Comprehensive understanding is required to be able to apply and know when not to apply a clinical orientation

Avoid fitting a client’s presentation into your one clinical orientation

Deliberate, intentional use of different orientations

Why some therapy practices operate with a single clinical model

Comprehensive Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) therapists run their practices and their lives with DBT principals

Going deeply into a very specific theory (like DBT, EMDR, EFT, etc.) while you learn it

Researchers are more likely to be singularly focused on one theory

Suggestions on How to Approach Choosing Your Clinical Theoretical Orientation

Obtain a comprehensive understanding of the theoretical orientation

Understand the theory behind the interventions

Recognizing when to use a very specific theory or when you can be more “eclectic” in your approach

Deciding how fluid you’d like to be with your theoretical orientation

Find what gels with you and do more of that

The ability to pretty dramatically shift your theoretical orientation later in your career

Instruments for Choosing a Theoretical Orientation

 Theoretical Orientation Scale (Smith, 2010)

Counselor Theoretical Position Scale

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Institute for Creative Mindfulness
Very Bad Therapy Podcast
Petko, Kendrick and Young (2016): Selecting a Theory of Counseling: What influences a counseling student to choose?
What is the Best Type of Therapy Elimination Game
 The Practice of Multimodal Therapy by Arnold A. Lazarus
Poznanski and McClennan (2007): Measuring Counsellor Theoretical Orientation
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Unlearning Very Bad Therapy
 Interview with Dr. Diane Gehart: An Incomplete List of Everything Wrong with Therapist Education
 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Which Theoretical Orientation Should You Choose?</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists typically select their clinical theoretical orientation for treatment. We look at the different elements of theoretical orientation (including case conceptualization, treatment interventions, and common factors), what impacts our choices, the importance of having a variety of clinical models to draw from, the types of practices that focus on only one clinical theory, and suggestions about how to approach choosing your theories for treatment, including some helpful assessments.</p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about how therapists pick their theoretical orientation</p><p>We received a couple of requests to talk about clinical theoretical orientation and how Curt and Katie chose their own. We tackle this question in depth:</p><p>Choosing a clinical theoretical orientation</p><ul>
<li>The problem with the term “eclectic” when describing a clinical orientation</li>
<li>How Curt and Katie each define their clinical orientations</li>
<li>“Multi-modal” therapy</li>
</ul><p>The different elements of clinical orientations</p><ul>
<li>Case conceptualization</li>
<li>Treatment interventions</li>
<li>Common Factors and what actually makes therapy work</li>
</ul><p>What impacts which theoretical orientation we choose as therapists</p><ul>
<li>Clinical supervision</li>
<li>Training</li>
<li>Personal values and alignment with a theoretical orientation</li>
<li>Common sense (what makes sense to you logically)</li>
<li>Choosing interventions that you like</li>
</ul><p>The importance of having a variety of clinical theories that you can draw from</p><ul>
<li>Comprehensive understanding is required to be able to apply and know when not to apply a clinical orientation</li>
<li>Avoid fitting a client’s presentation into your one clinical orientation</li>
<li>Deliberate, intentional use of different orientations</li>
</ul><p>Why some therapy practices operate with a single clinical model</p><ul>
<li>Comprehensive Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) therapists run their practices and their lives with DBT principals</li>
<li>Going deeply into a very specific theory (like DBT, EMDR, EFT, etc.) while you learn it</li>
<li>Researchers are more likely to be singularly focused on one theory</li>
</ul><p>Suggestions on How to Approach Choosing Your Clinical Theoretical Orientation</p><ul>
<li>Obtain a comprehensive understanding of the theoretical orientation</li>
<li>Understand the theory behind the interventions</li>
<li>Recognizing when to use a very specific theory or when you can be more “eclectic” in your approach</li>
<li>Deciding how fluid you’d like to be with your theoretical orientation</li>
<li>Find what gels with you and do more of that</li>
<li>The ability to pretty dramatically shift your theoretical orientation later in your career</li>
</ul><p>Instruments for Choosing a Theoretical Orientation</p><ul>
<li><a href="https://study.sagepub.com/system/files/Theoretical%20Orientation%20Scale%20Online_0.pdf"> Theoretical Orientation Scale (Smith, 2010)</a></li>
<li>Counselor Theoretical Position Scale</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com/">Institute for Creative Mindfulness</a></p><p><a href="https://www.verybadtherapy.com/">Very Bad Therapy Podcast</a></p><p>Petko, Kendrick and Young (2016): <a href="https://www.hrpub.org/download/20161230/UJP6-19407729.pdf">Selecting a Theory of Counseling: What influences a counseling student to choose?</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/278259739520294/videos/184048952834167">What is the Best Type of Therapy Elimination Game</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Practice-Multimodal-Therapy-Arnold-Lazarus/dp/0070368139"> The Practice of Multimodal Therapy by Arnold A. Lazarus</a></p><p>Poznanski and McClennan (2007): <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09515079908254103">Measuring Counsellor Theoretical Orientation</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/unlearning-very-bad-therapy/"> Unlearning Very Bad Therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/an-incomplete-list-of-everything-wrong-with-therapist-education/"> Interview with Dr. Diane Gehart: An Incomplete List of Everything Wrong with Therapist Education</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>The January 2022 Surprise of Good Faith Estimates Requirements</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-january-2022-surprise-of-good-faith-estimates-requirements</link>
      <description>The January 2022 Surprise of Good Faith Estimates Requirements
Curt and Katie chat about the No Surprises Act, specifically how to navigate the requirement for clinicians to provide Good Faith Estimates to clients. We talk about the impact of Good Faith Estimates on the intake process, potential complications when providing these estimates to your patients, and suggestions for how to simplify and systemize this requirement.    
In this episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide we talk about the No Surprises Act and the Good Faith Estimate Requirement
When we heard about the planned implementation of these new requirements, we decided to dive into the legislation and articles from professional associations to understand what we actually need to do starting January 1, 2022.
What is the No Surprises Act and the Good Faith Estimate (GFE) Requirement?

The goal of the No Surprises legislation is to avoid surprising patients with large medical bills

There are benefits and challenges with the requirement to provide good faith estimates to our clients

The Good Faith Estimate requirement is to provide the estimated cost of services (fee times number of sessions) at the beginning of treatment (if asked) and at least annually, if needed

How will the Good Faith Estimate Requirement impact the Intake Process for Therapy?

We are required to determine whether someone is hoping to get insurance reimbursement

We must communicate the ability to obtain a written good faith estimate from providers

We are required to estimate the number of sessions and total cost of treatment

We talk about when you may need to provide a new good faith estimate (and explain changes)

We provided a suggestion to start with a GFE for the intake session and then provide a second GFE after that initial session

Potential Complications Curt and Katie see for Therapists Providing Good Faith Estimates

The requirement for diagnosis very early in treatment

The requirement for a diagnosis written on paper – both for folks who don’t know or have not asked before, as well as for folks who do not want a written diagnosis

Concerns related to putting forward the total cost of therapy for the year

The elements of bureaucracy that could negatively impact the therapeutic relationship

The No Surprises Act legislation isn’t finalized and may have additional components or changes

Our Suggestions to Systematize the Good Faith Estimate (GFE) Requirement for Therapists

Consider coordinating the timeline for updating GFEs, treatment plans, frequency of sessions, progress in treatment, and a reassessment of the sliding scale

Think through how you talk about diagnosis and treatment planning ahead of time

The idea to create some sort of mechanism for folks to either decline a GFE or to request an oral versus paper GFE

Use recommended language to create your notice for your office as well as on your website

Create your own template to simplify the process, including a boiler plate GFE for your intake

Create a template for GFEs for on-going treatment

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
APA Article:  New Billing Disclosure Requirements Take Effect in 2022
 Suggested Notification Language for Good Faith Estimates
 Template for a Good Faith Estimate
 Good Faith Estimate Legislation Language from the No Surprises Act
Federal Register:  Requirements Related to Surprise Billing; Part II
CMS.gov:  Requirements Related to Surprise Billing; Part II, Interim Final Rule with comment period
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Should Private Practice Therapists Take Insurance?
 Make your Paperwork Meaningful</description>
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      <itunes:title>The January 2022 Surprise of Good Faith Estimates Requirements</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>The January 2022 Surprise of Good Faith Estimates Requirements Curt and Katie chat about the No Surprises Act, specifically how to navigate the requirement for clinicians to provide Good Faith Estimates to clients. We talk about the impact of Good...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The January 2022 Surprise of Good Faith Estimates Requirements
Curt and Katie chat about the No Surprises Act, specifically how to navigate the requirement for clinicians to provide Good Faith Estimates to clients. We talk about the impact of Good Faith Estimates on the intake process, potential complications when providing these estimates to your patients, and suggestions for how to simplify and systemize this requirement.    
In this episode of the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide we talk about the No Surprises Act and the Good Faith Estimate Requirement
When we heard about the planned implementation of these new requirements, we decided to dive into the legislation and articles from professional associations to understand what we actually need to do starting January 1, 2022.
What is the No Surprises Act and the Good Faith Estimate (GFE) Requirement?

The goal of the No Surprises legislation is to avoid surprising patients with large medical bills

There are benefits and challenges with the requirement to provide good faith estimates to our clients

The Good Faith Estimate requirement is to provide the estimated cost of services (fee times number of sessions) at the beginning of treatment (if asked) and at least annually, if needed

How will the Good Faith Estimate Requirement impact the Intake Process for Therapy?

We are required to determine whether someone is hoping to get insurance reimbursement

We must communicate the ability to obtain a written good faith estimate from providers

We are required to estimate the number of sessions and total cost of treatment

We talk about when you may need to provide a new good faith estimate (and explain changes)

We provided a suggestion to start with a GFE for the intake session and then provide a second GFE after that initial session

Potential Complications Curt and Katie see for Therapists Providing Good Faith Estimates

The requirement for diagnosis very early in treatment

The requirement for a diagnosis written on paper – both for folks who don’t know or have not asked before, as well as for folks who do not want a written diagnosis

Concerns related to putting forward the total cost of therapy for the year

The elements of bureaucracy that could negatively impact the therapeutic relationship

The No Surprises Act legislation isn’t finalized and may have additional components or changes

Our Suggestions to Systematize the Good Faith Estimate (GFE) Requirement for Therapists

Consider coordinating the timeline for updating GFEs, treatment plans, frequency of sessions, progress in treatment, and a reassessment of the sliding scale

Think through how you talk about diagnosis and treatment planning ahead of time

The idea to create some sort of mechanism for folks to either decline a GFE or to request an oral versus paper GFE

Use recommended language to create your notice for your office as well as on your website

Create your own template to simplify the process, including a boiler plate GFE for your intake

Create a template for GFEs for on-going treatment

Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
APA Article:  New Billing Disclosure Requirements Take Effect in 2022
 Suggested Notification Language for Good Faith Estimates
 Template for a Good Faith Estimate
 Good Faith Estimate Legislation Language from the No Surprises Act
Federal Register:  Requirements Related to Surprise Billing; Part II
CMS.gov:  Requirements Related to Surprise Billing; Part II, Interim Final Rule with comment period
Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:
 Should Private Practice Therapists Take Insurance?
 Make your Paperwork Meaningful</itunes:summary>
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<li>The goal of the No Surprises legislation is to avoid surprising patients with large medical bills</li>
<li>There are benefits and challenges with the requirement to provide good faith estimates to our clients</li>
<li>The Good Faith Estimate requirement is to provide the estimated cost of services (fee times number of sessions) at the beginning of treatment (if asked) and at least annually, if needed</li>
</ul><p>How will the Good Faith Estimate Requirement impact the Intake Process for Therapy?</p><ul>
<li>We are required to determine whether someone is hoping to get insurance reimbursement</li>
<li>We must communicate the ability to obtain a written good faith estimate from providers</li>
<li>We are required to estimate the number of sessions and total cost of treatment</li>
<li>We talk about when you may need to provide a new good faith estimate (and explain changes)</li>
<li>We provided a suggestion to start with a GFE for the intake session and then provide a second GFE after that initial session</li>
</ul><p>Potential Complications Curt and Katie see for Therapists Providing Good Faith Estimates</p><ul>
<li>The requirement for diagnosis very early in treatment</li>
<li>The requirement for a diagnosis written on paper – both for folks who don’t know or have not asked before, as well as for folks who do not want a written diagnosis</li>
<li>Concerns related to putting forward the total cost of therapy for the year</li>
<li>The elements of bureaucracy that could negatively impact the therapeutic relationship</li>
<li>The No Surprises Act legislation isn’t finalized and may have additional components or changes</li>
</ul><p>Our Suggestions to Systematize the Good Faith Estimate (GFE) Requirement for Therapists</p><ul>
<li>Consider coordinating the timeline for updating GFEs, treatment plans, frequency of sessions, progress in treatment, and a reassessment of the sliding scale</li>
<li>Think through how you talk about diagnosis and treatment planning ahead of time</li>
<li>The idea to create some sort of mechanism for folks to either decline a GFE or to request an oral versus paper GFE</li>
<li>Use recommended language to create your notice for your office as well as on your website</li>
<li>Create your own template to simplify the process, including a boiler plate GFE for your intake</li>
<li>Create a template for GFEs for on-going treatment</li>
</ul><p>Resources for Modern Therapists mentioned in this Podcast Episode:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>APA Article: <a href="https://www.apaservices.org/practice/legal/managed/billing-disclosure-requirements"> New Billing Disclosure Requirements Take Effect in 2022</a></p><p><a href="https://www.apaservices.org/practice/legal/managed/good-faith-estimate-notice.pdf"> Suggested Notification Language for Good Faith Estimates</a></p><p><a href="https://www.apaservices.org/practice/legal/managed/good-faith-estimate-template.pdf"> Template for a Good Faith Estimate</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-45/subtitle-A/subchapter-B/part-149/subpart-G/section-149.610"> Good Faith Estimate Legislation Language from the No Surprises Act</a></p><p>Federal Register: <a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/10/07/2021-21441/requirements-related-to-surprise-billing-part-ii"> Requirements Related to Surprise Billing; Part II</a></p><p>CMS.gov: <a href="https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/fact-sheets/requirements-related-surprise-billing-part-ii-interim-final-rule-comment-period"> Requirements Related to Surprise Billing; Part II, Interim Final Rule with comment period</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes of MTSG Podcast:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/should-private-practice-therapists-take-insurance/"> Should Private Practice Therapists Take Insurance?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/make-your-paperwork-meaningful/"> Make your Paperwork Meaningful</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How Can Therapists Actually Retire?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/how-can-therapists-actually-retire</link>
      <description>How Can Therapists Actually Retire? - An interview with David Frank, financial planner for therapists
Curt and Katie talk with David about managing finances, including student loan debt and retirement. We look at when to start saving, what to do when you’re starting to save for retirement later in life, and how much is too much to save. David also shares his concept of a Money Date and how you should start looking at your financial picture. He also talks about financial planning and when to seek a professional for support.
Interview with David Frank, Turning Point Financial Life Planning
In this podcast episode we talk about: Managing Personal and Professional Finances

How perfectionism can get in the way of saving

The importance of “just getting started” in saving for retirement

Saving money is a practice, not something you figure out once

Why it is important to save money as soon as you can

Navigating Student Loan Debt

Student loan debt and how overwhelming it is to look at these debts

The desire to pay off this debt as quickly as possible

David’s advice to save at least one time your annual income before aggressively paying off your student loan debt

The comparison of interest rates on your debt versus returns on investing money

Retirement and Investing in your Future “Starting to save and invest young is such great advice… and… it’s advice for time travelers”

For younger folks, the advice is to save as soon as possible

What to do if you are closer to retirement age and you haven’t started saving for retirement

How to determine when you can retire

“No one does this money thing perfectly, even if we start out of the gate pretty strong.”

What to do when life happens and you have to start over

David’s own story of having to start over

Societal fear due to 2008 and the Great Recession

David Frank’s Concept of “Money Dates”

Reserve time each week to look at your money

Start understanding how much you need to save

Idea: go to the Social Security Administration Website to see what you’re entitled to in social security

How Much Money to Save

The money mindset concerns that can get in the way of saving (or even looking at) your money

How much money is too much money to save?

Emergency funds and the feeling of safety and security

The risks of saving too much money

Quality of life questions when you are underspending

Online tools to identify what you need in retirement, so you know when you’ve saved enough

Actual numbers of what to save for retirement and what you can spend now

Financial Planning – When and why to seek help with your money

The complexity of the decisions related to paying debt versus investing

The number of options available to each person when making decisions on our money

Get feedback on how well you are doing on your practice financials and saving for retirement

Risk planning, financial planning, estate and incapacity planning

The importance of understanding your values when you look at how to spend your money

Financial planning when you don’t have a lot of money

Choosing what you sacrifice when you decide to invest in shiny objects

The problem of “shoulds” and getting financial advice from other therapists</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How Can Therapists Actually Retire? - An interview with David Frank</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with David Frank, financial planner for therapists</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How Can Therapists Actually Retire? - An interview with David Frank, financial planner for therapists
Curt and Katie talk with David about managing finances, including student loan debt and retirement. We look at when to start saving, what to do when you’re starting to save for retirement later in life, and how much is too much to save. David also shares his concept of a Money Date and how you should start looking at your financial picture. He also talks about financial planning and when to seek a professional for support.
Interview with David Frank, Turning Point Financial Life Planning
In this podcast episode we talk about: Managing Personal and Professional Finances

How perfectionism can get in the way of saving

The importance of “just getting started” in saving for retirement

Saving money is a practice, not something you figure out once

Why it is important to save money as soon as you can

Navigating Student Loan Debt

Student loan debt and how overwhelming it is to look at these debts

The desire to pay off this debt as quickly as possible

David’s advice to save at least one time your annual income before aggressively paying off your student loan debt

The comparison of interest rates on your debt versus returns on investing money

Retirement and Investing in your Future “Starting to save and invest young is such great advice… and… it’s advice for time travelers”

For younger folks, the advice is to save as soon as possible

What to do if you are closer to retirement age and you haven’t started saving for retirement

How to determine when you can retire

“No one does this money thing perfectly, even if we start out of the gate pretty strong.”

What to do when life happens and you have to start over

David’s own story of having to start over

Societal fear due to 2008 and the Great Recession

David Frank’s Concept of “Money Dates”

Reserve time each week to look at your money

Start understanding how much you need to save

Idea: go to the Social Security Administration Website to see what you’re entitled to in social security

How Much Money to Save

The money mindset concerns that can get in the way of saving (or even looking at) your money

How much money is too much money to save?

Emergency funds and the feeling of safety and security

The risks of saving too much money

Quality of life questions when you are underspending

Online tools to identify what you need in retirement, so you know when you’ve saved enough

Actual numbers of what to save for retirement and what you can spend now

Financial Planning – When and why to seek help with your money

The complexity of the decisions related to paying debt versus investing

The number of options available to each person when making decisions on our money

Get feedback on how well you are doing on your practice financials and saving for retirement

Risk planning, financial planning, estate and incapacity planning

The importance of understanding your values when you look at how to spend your money

Financial planning when you don’t have a lot of money

Choosing what you sacrifice when you decide to invest in shiny objects

The problem of “shoulds” and getting financial advice from other therapists</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>How Can Therapists Actually Retire? - An interview with David Frank, financial planner for therapists</p><p>Curt and Katie talk with David about managing finances, including student loan debt and retirement. We look at when to start saving, what to do when you’re starting to save for retirement later in life, and how much is too much to save. David also shares his concept of a Money Date and how you should start looking at your financial picture. He also talks about financial planning and when to seek a professional for support.</p><p>Interview with David Frank, Turning Point Financial Life Planning</p><p>In this podcast episode we talk about: Managing Personal and Professional Finances</p><ul>
<li>How perfectionism can get in the way of saving</li>
<li>The importance of “just getting started” in saving for retirement</li>
<li>Saving money is a practice, not something you figure out once</li>
<li>Why it is important to save money as soon as you can</li>
</ul><p>Navigating Student Loan Debt</p><ul>
<li>Student loan debt and how overwhelming it is to look at these debts</li>
<li>The desire to pay off this debt as quickly as possible</li>
<li>David’s advice to save at least one time your annual income before aggressively paying off your student loan debt</li>
<li>The comparison of interest rates on your debt versus returns on investing money</li>
</ul><p>Retirement and Investing in your Future “Starting to save and invest young is such great advice… and… it’s advice for time travelers”</p><ul>
<li>For younger folks, the advice is to save as soon as possible</li>
<li>What to do if you are closer to retirement age and you haven’t started saving for retirement</li>
<li>How to determine when you can retire</li>
</ul><p>“No one does this money thing perfectly, even if we start out of the gate pretty strong.”</p><ul>
<li>What to do when life happens and you have to start over</li>
<li>David’s own story of having to start over</li>
<li>Societal fear due to 2008 and the Great Recession</li>
</ul><p>David Frank’s Concept of “Money Dates”</p><ul>
<li>Reserve time each week to look at your money</li>
<li>Start understanding how much you need to save</li>
<li>Idea: go to the Social Security Administration Website to see what you’re entitled to in social security</li>
</ul><p>How Much Money to Save</p><ul>
<li>The money mindset concerns that can get in the way of saving (or even looking at) your money</li>
<li>How much money is too much money to save?</li>
<li>Emergency funds and the feeling of safety and security</li>
<li>The risks of saving too much money</li>
<li>Quality of life questions when you are underspending</li>
<li>Online tools to identify what you need in retirement, so you know when you’ve saved enough</li>
<li>Actual numbers of what to save for retirement and what you can spend now</li>
</ul><p>Financial Planning – When and why to seek help with your money</p><ul>
<li>The complexity of the decisions related to paying debt versus investing</li>
<li>The number of options available to each person when making decisions on our money</li>
<li>Get feedback on how well you are doing on your practice financials and saving for retirement</li>
<li>Risk planning, financial planning, estate and incapacity planning</li>
<li>The importance of understanding your values when you look at how to spend your money</li>
<li>Financial planning when you don’t have a lot of money</li>
<li>Choosing what you sacrifice when you decide to invest in shiny objects</li>
<li>The problem of “shoulds” and getting financial advice from other therapists</li>
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      <title>Should Private Practice Therapists Take Insurance?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/should-private-practice-therapists-take-insurance</link>
      <description>Should Private Practice Therapists Take Insurance?
Curt and Katie chat about the latest data from SimplePractice on private practice clinicians billing insurance. We explore the most common set up for clinicians (a hybrid insurance/private pay practice) as well as how therapists bill insurance, the disparity between private pay fees and insurance rates (and how different these disparities are across the United States), how strategies for growing private practices are affected by who is paying, and how to set yourself up for a successful hybrid insurance practice.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Demystifying the most Common CPT Codes E-Book from SimplePractice

Looking at the most common make up of therapists’ private practices (hybrid: insurance and private pay)

The theories about whether to take insurance of not

The process of starting a practice (credentialing timeline, marketing, etc.)

The benefits of being on an insurance panel (e.g., nearly 100% close rate)

The income differences for clinicians at different stages of practice development

The average number of appointments per week by type of practice (insurance, hybrid, or private pay) and what that means for your income

How well insurance reimburses in different states (and comparing these rates to typical private pay fees)

Financial considerations when looking at the insurance rates you will get in your area

How to set up your practice if you choose to take insurance

The most frequently billed CPT code (as well as others to consider)

The controversy around 90837 and how to make sure you get paid

Different strategies to build a sustainable business with an insurance or hybrid private practice

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Demystifying the Most Commonly Used CPT® Codes for Mental Health
 
Relevant Episodes:
 Busting Insurance Myths
 Make Your Paperwork Meaningful
 Noteworthy Documentation
 Negotiating Sliding Scale
 Special Interview: Open Path Psychotherapy Collective
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Should Private Practice Therapists Take Insurance?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Should Private Practice Therapists Take Insurance? Curt and Katie chat about the latest data from SimplePractice on private practice clinicians billing insurance. We explore the most common set up for clinicians (a hybrid insurance/private pay...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Should Private Practice Therapists Take Insurance?
Curt and Katie chat about the latest data from SimplePractice on private practice clinicians billing insurance. We explore the most common set up for clinicians (a hybrid insurance/private pay practice) as well as how therapists bill insurance, the disparity between private pay fees and insurance rates (and how different these disparities are across the United States), how strategies for growing private practices are affected by who is paying, and how to set yourself up for a successful hybrid insurance practice.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Demystifying the most Common CPT Codes E-Book from SimplePractice

Looking at the most common make up of therapists’ private practices (hybrid: insurance and private pay)

The theories about whether to take insurance of not

The process of starting a practice (credentialing timeline, marketing, etc.)

The benefits of being on an insurance panel (e.g., nearly 100% close rate)

The income differences for clinicians at different stages of practice development

The average number of appointments per week by type of practice (insurance, hybrid, or private pay) and what that means for your income

How well insurance reimburses in different states (and comparing these rates to typical private pay fees)

Financial considerations when looking at the insurance rates you will get in your area

How to set up your practice if you choose to take insurance

The most frequently billed CPT code (as well as others to consider)

The controversy around 90837 and how to make sure you get paid

Different strategies to build a sustainable business with an insurance or hybrid private practice

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Demystifying the Most Commonly Used CPT® Codes for Mental Health
 
Relevant Episodes:
 Busting Insurance Myths
 Make Your Paperwork Meaningful
 Noteworthy Documentation
 Negotiating Sliding Scale
 Special Interview: Open Path Psychotherapy Collective
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Should Private Practice Therapists Take Insurance?</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the latest data from SimplePractice on private practice clinicians billing insurance. We explore the most common set up for clinicians (a hybrid insurance/private pay practice) as well as how therapists bill insurance, the disparity between private pay fees and insurance rates (and how different these disparities are across the United States), how strategies for growing private practices are affected by who is paying, and how to set yourself up for a successful hybrid insurance practice.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Demystifying the most Common CPT Codes E-Book from SimplePractice</li>
<li>Looking at the most common make up of therapists’ private practices (hybrid: insurance and private pay)</li>
<li>The theories about whether to take insurance of not</li>
<li>The process of starting a practice (credentialing timeline, marketing, etc.)</li>
<li>The benefits of being on an insurance panel (e.g., nearly 100% close rate)</li>
<li>The income differences for clinicians at different stages of practice development</li>
<li>The average number of appointments per week by type of practice (insurance, hybrid, or private pay) and what that means for your income</li>
<li>How well insurance reimburses in different states (and comparing these rates to typical private pay fees)</li>
<li>Financial considerations when looking at the insurance rates you will get in your area</li>
<li>How to set up your practice if you choose to take insurance</li>
<li>The most frequently billed CPT code (as well as others to consider)</li>
<li>The controversy around 90837 and how to make sure you get paid</li>
<li>Different strategies to build a sustainable business with an insurance or hybrid private practice</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.verybadtherapy.com/episodes/episode-22-a-clinic-on-unprofessionalism-with-katie-vernoy-lmft?rq=katie%20vernoy"> Demystifying the Most Commonly Used CPT® Codes for Mental Health</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/busting-insurance-myths/"> Busting Insurance Myths</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/make-your-paperwork-meaningful/"> Make Your Paperwork Meaningful</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/noteworthy-documentation/"> Noteworthy Documentation</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/negotiating-sliding-scale/"> Negotiating Sliding Scale</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/open-path-psychotherapy-collective/"> Special Interview: Open Path Psychotherapy Collective</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p> Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p>]]>
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      <title>When Clients Have to Manage Their Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/when-clients-have-to-manage-their-therapists</link>
      <description>When Clients Have to Manage Their Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about the work (or mental load) therapists often give to clients that is really ours. We talk about requiring our clients to do things that are not helpful to treatment like: manage our time, do excessive paperwork, negotiate through our money stuff, be guinea pigs, or teach us about their culture or other differences. We also look at the impact of these abdications of responsibility on the therapeutic relationship and the clinical work.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

When we give more work to clients (that isn’t really good therapy)

The mental load or emotional labor that therapists can unwittingly add for clients

Time management and the impact of poor practices on clients

Being late, managing the shape of the session, scheduling

The difference between being authentic and being irresponsible

The care you show when managing rescheduling and the impact on the relationship

What can come up, especially related to attachment wounds

The problem when you consistently forget to get back to your clients

Paperwork as a burden on clients, especially when clinicians don’t read the paperwork

The message you give when you don’t follow up on a client’s homework

When outcome measures feel like paperwork that is solely for the benefit of the therapist, rather than something that feels relevant to the client

Feedback Informed Treatment (FIT) poorly implemented

Delayed billing, not providing superbills timely

Allowing a balance to accrue

The power dynamic and power imbalance when clients owe therapists a sizable amount

The labor we’re giving to our clients when don’t have structure on payment (sliding scale fees and payment plans)

How our own money stuff might come into these conversations

Adding new theories or trying new interventions on clients without a strong clinical rationale

The danger to the client’s trust in the process if we throw new interventions in each week

The mental load of asking our clients to teach about their own experience or navigating therapist bias

Identifying a lack of fit or when treatment is over (rather than forcing our clients to do so)

Own our humanness and set ourselves up for success

Why this work sometimes gets handed to clients (rigidity, therapy culture)</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>When Clients Have to Manage Their Therapists</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>When Clients Have to Manage Their Therapists Curt and Katie chat about the work (or mental load) therapists often give to clients that is really ours. We talk about requiring our clients to do things that are not helpful to treatment like: manage our...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>When Clients Have to Manage Their Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about the work (or mental load) therapists often give to clients that is really ours. We talk about requiring our clients to do things that are not helpful to treatment like: manage our time, do excessive paperwork, negotiate through our money stuff, be guinea pigs, or teach us about their culture or other differences. We also look at the impact of these abdications of responsibility on the therapeutic relationship and the clinical work.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

When we give more work to clients (that isn’t really good therapy)

The mental load or emotional labor that therapists can unwittingly add for clients

Time management and the impact of poor practices on clients

Being late, managing the shape of the session, scheduling

The difference between being authentic and being irresponsible

The care you show when managing rescheduling and the impact on the relationship

What can come up, especially related to attachment wounds

The problem when you consistently forget to get back to your clients

Paperwork as a burden on clients, especially when clinicians don’t read the paperwork

The message you give when you don’t follow up on a client’s homework

When outcome measures feel like paperwork that is solely for the benefit of the therapist, rather than something that feels relevant to the client

Feedback Informed Treatment (FIT) poorly implemented

Delayed billing, not providing superbills timely

Allowing a balance to accrue

The power dynamic and power imbalance when clients owe therapists a sizable amount

The labor we’re giving to our clients when don’t have structure on payment (sliding scale fees and payment plans)

How our own money stuff might come into these conversations

Adding new theories or trying new interventions on clients without a strong clinical rationale

The danger to the client’s trust in the process if we throw new interventions in each week

The mental load of asking our clients to teach about their own experience or navigating therapist bias

Identifying a lack of fit or when treatment is over (rather than forcing our clients to do so)

Own our humanness and set ourselves up for success

Why this work sometimes gets handed to clients (rigidity, therapy culture)</itunes:summary>
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<li>When we give more work to clients (that isn’t really good therapy)</li>
<li>The mental load or emotional labor that therapists can unwittingly add for clients</li>
<li>Time management and the impact of poor practices on clients</li>
<li>Being late, managing the shape of the session, scheduling</li>
<li>The difference between being authentic and being irresponsible</li>
<li>The care you show when managing rescheduling and the impact on the relationship</li>
<li>What can come up, especially related to attachment wounds</li>
<li>The problem when you consistently forget to get back to your clients</li>
<li>Paperwork as a burden on clients, especially when clinicians don’t read the paperwork</li>
<li>The message you give when you don’t follow up on a client’s homework</li>
<li>When outcome measures feel like paperwork that is solely for the benefit of the therapist, rather than something that feels relevant to the client</li>
<li>Feedback Informed Treatment (FIT) poorly implemented</li>
<li>Delayed billing, not providing superbills timely</li>
<li>Allowing a balance to accrue</li>
<li>The power dynamic and power imbalance when clients owe therapists a sizable amount</li>
<li>The labor we’re giving to our clients when don’t have structure on payment (sliding scale fees and payment plans)</li>
<li>How our own money stuff might come into these conversations</li>
<li>Adding new theories or trying new interventions on clients without a strong clinical rationale</li>
<li>The danger to the client’s trust in the process if we throw new interventions in each week</li>
<li>The mental load of asking our clients to teach about their own experience or navigating therapist bias</li>
<li>Identifying a lack of fit or when treatment is over (rather than forcing our clients to do so)</li>
<li>Own our humanness and set ourselves up for success</li>
<li>Why this work sometimes gets handed to clients (rigidity, therapy culture)</li>
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      <title>How to Be Accessible Beyond the Sliding Scale</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/how-to-be-accessible-beyond-the-sliding-scale</link>
      <description>How to Be Accessible Beyond the Sliding Scale
An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, about how therapy can be accessible (and not just financially). Curt and Katie chat with Lindsay about capitalism versus money exchange, the social enterprise model, and how therapists can make a good living without feeling like greedy capitalists. We also explore the many different types of accessibility and the importance of setting your fees based on your needs and values rather than as a mechanism to single-handedly fix the broken system or to meet an artificial money goal.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, Mind Money Balance
Lindsay Bryan-Podvin (she/her) is a biracial financial therapist, speaker, and author of the book "The Financial Anxiety Solution." In her therapy practice, Mind Money Balance, she uses shame-free financial therapy to help people get their minds and money in balance. She's expanded her services to help private practice therapists with their money mindset, sustainable pricing, and authentic marketing so they can include financial self-care in their work. She lives with her partner and their dog on the traditional land of the Fox, Peoria, Potawatomi, and Anishinabewaki peoples also known as Michigan.
In this episode we talk about:

How therapy can be more accessible (and not just monetarily)

The money “shit” that gets in the way of us thinking about other options for accessibility

Decreasing stigma and the notion that therapy is by and for white folks

Are we making our practices accessible for all sorts of folks?

ADA compliance, supporting neurodivergent and disabled folks

Cultural competence, the ability to apply that in sessions with clients who are different than us

Being embedded in our communities

Taking therapy out of the shadows

The challenges in getting out and having a larger voice

How accessibility is intertwined with therapist visibility

How to become part of your community in effective and impactful ways

Financial ways to make your practice more accessible beyond sliding scale

Social Enterprise Model: intersection of what you do well, what values you stand for, and what can you get paid well to do

Feeling like a greedy capitalist

What it means to be paid well

How to think about setting your fees

Fee-setting based on what you need to survive and thrive (not capitalist principles)

The problem with “know your worth”

The big cognitive shift required to move from community mental health pricing and work-life balance, fees

Tying money to quality of life, not specific monetary goals

Getting to “enough” not more and more

Capitalism versus money exchange

The wealth of knowledge we have as therapists (and how therapists take it for granted and/or devalue it)

Sharing your knowledge as a mechanism of accessibility to your whole community

To practice self-care, you have to be able to afford it</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How to Be Accessible Beyond the Sliding Scale: An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How to Be Accessible Beyond the Sliding Scale
An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, about how therapy can be accessible (and not just financially). Curt and Katie chat with Lindsay about capitalism versus money exchange, the social enterprise model, and how therapists can make a good living without feeling like greedy capitalists. We also explore the many different types of accessibility and the importance of setting your fees based on your needs and values rather than as a mechanism to single-handedly fix the broken system or to meet an artificial money goal.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, Mind Money Balance
Lindsay Bryan-Podvin (she/her) is a biracial financial therapist, speaker, and author of the book "The Financial Anxiety Solution." In her therapy practice, Mind Money Balance, she uses shame-free financial therapy to help people get their minds and money in balance. She's expanded her services to help private practice therapists with their money mindset, sustainable pricing, and authentic marketing so they can include financial self-care in their work. She lives with her partner and their dog on the traditional land of the Fox, Peoria, Potawatomi, and Anishinabewaki peoples also known as Michigan.
In this episode we talk about:

How therapy can be more accessible (and not just monetarily)

The money “shit” that gets in the way of us thinking about other options for accessibility

Decreasing stigma and the notion that therapy is by and for white folks

Are we making our practices accessible for all sorts of folks?

ADA compliance, supporting neurodivergent and disabled folks

Cultural competence, the ability to apply that in sessions with clients who are different than us

Being embedded in our communities

Taking therapy out of the shadows

The challenges in getting out and having a larger voice

How accessibility is intertwined with therapist visibility

How to become part of your community in effective and impactful ways

Financial ways to make your practice more accessible beyond sliding scale

Social Enterprise Model: intersection of what you do well, what values you stand for, and what can you get paid well to do

Feeling like a greedy capitalist

What it means to be paid well

How to think about setting your fees

Fee-setting based on what you need to survive and thrive (not capitalist principles)

The problem with “know your worth”

The big cognitive shift required to move from community mental health pricing and work-life balance, fees

Tying money to quality of life, not specific monetary goals

Getting to “enough” not more and more

Capitalism versus money exchange

The wealth of knowledge we have as therapists (and how therapists take it for granted and/or devalue it)

Sharing your knowledge as a mechanism of accessibility to your whole community

To practice self-care, you have to be able to afford it</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>How to Be Accessible Beyond the Sliding Scale</p><p>An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, about how therapy can be accessible (and not just financially). Curt and Katie chat with Lindsay about capitalism versus money exchange, the social enterprise model, and how therapists can make a good living without feeling like greedy capitalists. We also explore the many different types of accessibility and the importance of setting your fees based on your needs and values rather than as a mechanism to single-handedly fix the broken system or to meet an artificial money goal.   </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, Mind Money Balance</p><p>Lindsay Bryan-Podvin (she/her) is a biracial financial therapist, speaker, and author of the book "The Financial Anxiety Solution." In her therapy practice, Mind Money Balance, she uses shame-free financial therapy to help people get their minds and money in balance. She's expanded her services to help private practice therapists with their money mindset, sustainable pricing, and authentic marketing so they can include financial self-care in their work. She lives with her partner and their dog on the traditional land of the Fox, Peoria, Potawatomi, and Anishinabewaki peoples also known as Michigan.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How therapy can be more accessible (and not just monetarily)</li>
<li>The money “shit” that gets in the way of us thinking about other options for accessibility</li>
<li>Decreasing stigma and the notion that therapy is by and for white folks</li>
<li>Are we making our practices accessible for all sorts of folks?</li>
<li>ADA compliance, supporting neurodivergent and disabled folks</li>
<li>Cultural competence, the ability to apply that in sessions with clients who are different than us</li>
<li>Being embedded in our communities</li>
<li>Taking therapy out of the shadows</li>
<li>The challenges in getting out and having a larger voice</li>
<li>How accessibility is intertwined with therapist visibility</li>
<li>How to become part of your community in effective and impactful ways</li>
<li>Financial ways to make your practice more accessible beyond sliding scale</li>
<li>Social Enterprise Model: intersection of what you do well, what values you stand for, and what can you get paid well to do</li>
<li>Feeling like a greedy capitalist</li>
<li>What it means to be paid well</li>
<li>How to think about setting your fees</li>
<li>Fee-setting based on what you need to survive and thrive (not capitalist principles)</li>
<li>The problem with “know your worth”</li>
<li>The big cognitive shift required to move from community mental health pricing and work-life balance, fees</li>
<li>Tying money to quality of life, not specific monetary goals</li>
<li>Getting to “enough” not more and more</li>
<li>Capitalism versus money exchange</li>
<li>The wealth of knowledge we have as therapists (and how therapists take it for granted and/or devalue it)</li>
<li>Sharing your knowledge as a mechanism of accessibility to your whole community</li>
<li>To practice self-care, you have to be able to afford it</li>
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      <title>Peer Support Specialists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/peer-support-specialists</link>
      <description>Peer Support Specialists
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Kemisha Fields, MSW, Amparo Ostojic, MPA, and Jeff Kashou, LMFT
Kemisha Fields, MSW: Kemisha Fields was born and raised in South Los Angeles, CA. As a former foster youth, she has taken a professional interest in the commitment to serving the needs of children and families as a Children’s Social Worker working in Dependency Investigations. She has studied many modalities to bring healing to those in need. Kemisha is a life, long learner inspired by the abundance of opportunities available to enrich the lives of the people she serves. She earned her Bachelor of Science Degree in Psychology from the University of Phoenix. She received her Master of Social Work degree from the University of Southern California. Currently, Kemisha is a Doctoral Student of Business Administration with an emphasis in organizational leadership.
Jeff Kashou, LMFT: Jeff Kashou, LMFT is a manager of clinical product and service design for a mental health tech company that provides telemedicine to those with serious mental illness. Previously, he ran a county mental health program where he helped develop the role fo peers for adolescent programs county-wide and collaborated with peers to create management practices to support their professional development. In this position, Jeff developed a practice guideline for the utilization of peers in behavioral health settings for the County of Orange. Jeff has also served on the Board of Directors for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, where he helped lead the association to support the field of Marriage and Family Therapy and those with mental health issues. He consults as experts in mental health for television productions, to ensure the accurate and helpful portrayal of mental illness and treatment in the media. Most recently, Jeff and his wife Sheila wrote a children's book, The Proudest Color, that helps children of color cope with racism that will be on shelves this Fall.
In this episode we talk about:

What a peer support specialist is, how they work

What peers can uniquely bring

The hiring process, qualifications, and what that means for individuals seeking these jobs

The difference in perspective that peer and parent partners can bring to treatment teams

The importance of lived experience

Comparing holistic versus medical model treatment

The medical model and the recovery model complement each other

The importance of advocacy for individuals (with the support of the peer support specialist)

How peer support specialists are best integrated into treatment teams and programs

The potential problems when the peer support specialist role is not understood

How someone can become a Peer Support Specialist

Certification and standardization of the peer support specialist role

SB803 – CA certification for Peer Support Specialists Legislation

Ideal training for these professionals

How best to collaborate with a peer support specialist

What it is like to implement one of these programs

The challenges of hiring a peer support specialist

Exploring whether there are systems in place to support peer support specialists with their unique needs

The recommendation for a tool kit and a consultant to support programs in implementing best practices

The Recovery Model and peer support specialists in practice

Multidisciplinary teams may have pre-existing bias and prejudice against folks with lived experience, the role of stigma in the interactions</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Peer Support Specialists: An interview with Kemisha Fields, MSW, Amparo Ostojic, MPA, and Jeff Kashou, LMFT </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Kemisha Fields, MSW, Amparo Ostojic, MPA, and Jeff Kashou, LMFT </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Peer Support Specialists
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Kemisha Fields, MSW, Amparo Ostojic, MPA, and Jeff Kashou, LMFT
Kemisha Fields, MSW: Kemisha Fields was born and raised in South Los Angeles, CA. As a former foster youth, she has taken a professional interest in the commitment to serving the needs of children and families as a Children’s Social Worker working in Dependency Investigations. She has studied many modalities to bring healing to those in need. Kemisha is a life, long learner inspired by the abundance of opportunities available to enrich the lives of the people she serves. She earned her Bachelor of Science Degree in Psychology from the University of Phoenix. She received her Master of Social Work degree from the University of Southern California. Currently, Kemisha is a Doctoral Student of Business Administration with an emphasis in organizational leadership.
Jeff Kashou, LMFT: Jeff Kashou, LMFT is a manager of clinical product and service design for a mental health tech company that provides telemedicine to those with serious mental illness. Previously, he ran a county mental health program where he helped develop the role fo peers for adolescent programs county-wide and collaborated with peers to create management practices to support their professional development. In this position, Jeff developed a practice guideline for the utilization of peers in behavioral health settings for the County of Orange. Jeff has also served on the Board of Directors for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, where he helped lead the association to support the field of Marriage and Family Therapy and those with mental health issues. He consults as experts in mental health for television productions, to ensure the accurate and helpful portrayal of mental illness and treatment in the media. Most recently, Jeff and his wife Sheila wrote a children's book, The Proudest Color, that helps children of color cope with racism that will be on shelves this Fall.
In this episode we talk about:

What a peer support specialist is, how they work

What peers can uniquely bring

The hiring process, qualifications, and what that means for individuals seeking these jobs

The difference in perspective that peer and parent partners can bring to treatment teams

The importance of lived experience

Comparing holistic versus medical model treatment

The medical model and the recovery model complement each other

The importance of advocacy for individuals (with the support of the peer support specialist)

How peer support specialists are best integrated into treatment teams and programs

The potential problems when the peer support specialist role is not understood

How someone can become a Peer Support Specialist

Certification and standardization of the peer support specialist role

SB803 – CA certification for Peer Support Specialists Legislation

Ideal training for these professionals

How best to collaborate with a peer support specialist

What it is like to implement one of these programs

The challenges of hiring a peer support specialist

Exploring whether there are systems in place to support peer support specialists with their unique needs

The recommendation for a tool kit and a consultant to support programs in implementing best practices

The Recovery Model and peer support specialists in practice

Multidisciplinary teams may have pre-existing bias and prejudice against folks with lived experience, the role of stigma in the interactions</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Peer Support Specialists</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Kemisha Fields, MSW, Amparo Ostojic, MPA, and Jeff Kashou, LMFT</p><p>Kemisha Fields, MSW: Kemisha Fields was born and raised in South Los Angeles, CA. As a former foster youth, she has taken a professional interest in the commitment to serving the needs of children and families as a Children’s Social Worker working in Dependency Investigations. She has studied many modalities to bring healing to those in need. Kemisha is a life, long learner inspired by the abundance of opportunities available to enrich the lives of the people she serves. She earned her Bachelor of Science Degree in Psychology from the University of Phoenix. She received her Master of Social Work degree from the University of Southern California. Currently, Kemisha is a Doctoral Student of Business Administration with an emphasis in organizational leadership.</p><p>Jeff Kashou, LMFT: Jeff Kashou, LMFT is a manager of clinical product and service design for a mental health tech company that provides telemedicine to those with serious mental illness. Previously, he ran a county mental health program where he helped develop the role fo peers for adolescent programs county-wide and collaborated with peers to create management practices to support their professional development. In this position, Jeff developed a practice guideline for the utilization of peers in behavioral health settings for the County of Orange. Jeff has also served on the Board of Directors for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, where he helped lead the association to support the field of Marriage and Family Therapy and those with mental health issues. He consults as experts in mental health for television productions, to ensure the accurate and helpful portrayal of mental illness and treatment in the media. Most recently, Jeff and his wife Sheila wrote a children's book, The Proudest Color, that helps children of color cope with racism that will be on shelves this Fall.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>What a peer support specialist is, how they work</li>
<li>What peers can uniquely bring</li>
<li>The hiring process, qualifications, and what that means for individuals seeking these jobs</li>
<li>The difference in perspective that peer and parent partners can bring to treatment teams</li>
<li>The importance of lived experience</li>
<li>Comparing holistic versus medical model treatment</li>
<li>The medical model and the recovery model complement each other</li>
<li>The importance of advocacy for individuals (with the support of the peer support specialist)</li>
<li>How peer support specialists are best integrated into treatment teams and programs</li>
<li>The potential problems when the peer support specialist role is not understood</li>
<li>How someone can become a Peer Support Specialist</li>
<li>Certification and standardization of the peer support specialist role</li>
<li>SB803 – CA certification for Peer Support Specialists Legislation</li>
<li>Ideal training for these professionals</li>
<li>How best to collaborate with a peer support specialist</li>
<li>What it is like to implement one of these programs</li>
<li>The challenges of hiring a peer support specialist</li>
<li>Exploring whether there are systems in place to support peer support specialists with their unique needs</li>
<li>The recommendation for a tool kit and a consultant to support programs in implementing best practices</li>
<li>The Recovery Model and peer support specialists in practice</li>
<li>Multidisciplinary teams may have pre-existing bias and prejudice against folks with lived experience, the role of stigma in the interactions</li>
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      <title>Is Your Practice Ready for Paid Digital Marketing?</title>
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      <description>Is Your Practice Ready for Paid Digital Marketing?
An interview with John Sanders, owner of RevKey, about Google and Social Media Ads. Curt and Katie talk with John about the importance of a solid website, effective sales process, and metrics when considering paid digital advertising. We also explore what to expect when you create Google or Facebook Ads. We also talk about why you may want to outsource this and the financial risks for getting this marketing wrong.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with John Sanders, RevKey
John is an expert in paid search, specifically, Google Ads (which used to be called Google AdWords). He holds a BBA and MBA, and he has put this education to work in a variety of positions in the marketing field, including inside sales, purchasing, E-Commerce, and marketing management. Once he found Google Ads, John was hooked. He enjoys helping businesses generate leads through Google Ads that will help their companies grow, and he has partnered with businesses in a range of professions, including medical offices, B2B companies, and national product brands. John can help your business achieve its full potential.
In this episode we talk about:

Google Ads and other digital advertising (social media for example)

The mistakes folks make in purchasing digital ads, typical pitfalls

Specific to Google Search Ads: why not to use smart or dynamic ads

Keywords and negative keywords

The importance of tracking your results and what results you’re looking for

The difference between social media and Google ads

What a good ad looks like and what page it goes to

What’s needed on a website before starting Google Ads (sufficient, relevant content and pages)

Service pages and the specificity of the search

How social media ads work (e.g., Facebook and Instagram)

Building an audience within social media to target with your ads

The value of an ideal client or niche when using social media ads

Social media is more of a branding exercise than Google Ads

Facebook has a lot of specific rules for advertising

What return on investment you should expect, the goal of placing ads

How to assess what is not working

Looking through the full sales cycle to determine where to improve efforts (including answering your phone)

The technical savvy that is needed to run and assess these ads

The usefulness of Google analytics

Determining DIY versus hiring out advertising

How to outsource paid digital advertising

How to determine the average value of a client

Advantage of paid digital advertising versus Search Engine Optimization (SEO)

The potential to lose money if this is done wrong

The benefit if it is set up properly

Setting up a multitier marketing plan including Google Ads and SEO </description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Is Your Practice Ready for Paid Digital Marketing? An interview with John Sanders</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with John Sanders, owner of RevKey</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is Your Practice Ready for Paid Digital Marketing?
An interview with John Sanders, owner of RevKey, about Google and Social Media Ads. Curt and Katie talk with John about the importance of a solid website, effective sales process, and metrics when considering paid digital advertising. We also explore what to expect when you create Google or Facebook Ads. We also talk about why you may want to outsource this and the financial risks for getting this marketing wrong.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with John Sanders, RevKey
John is an expert in paid search, specifically, Google Ads (which used to be called Google AdWords). He holds a BBA and MBA, and he has put this education to work in a variety of positions in the marketing field, including inside sales, purchasing, E-Commerce, and marketing management. Once he found Google Ads, John was hooked. He enjoys helping businesses generate leads through Google Ads that will help their companies grow, and he has partnered with businesses in a range of professions, including medical offices, B2B companies, and national product brands. John can help your business achieve its full potential.
In this episode we talk about:

Google Ads and other digital advertising (social media for example)

The mistakes folks make in purchasing digital ads, typical pitfalls

Specific to Google Search Ads: why not to use smart or dynamic ads

Keywords and negative keywords

The importance of tracking your results and what results you’re looking for

The difference between social media and Google ads

What a good ad looks like and what page it goes to

What’s needed on a website before starting Google Ads (sufficient, relevant content and pages)

Service pages and the specificity of the search

How social media ads work (e.g., Facebook and Instagram)

Building an audience within social media to target with your ads

The value of an ideal client or niche when using social media ads

Social media is more of a branding exercise than Google Ads

Facebook has a lot of specific rules for advertising

What return on investment you should expect, the goal of placing ads

How to assess what is not working

Looking through the full sales cycle to determine where to improve efforts (including answering your phone)

The technical savvy that is needed to run and assess these ads

The usefulness of Google analytics

Determining DIY versus hiring out advertising

How to outsource paid digital advertising

How to determine the average value of a client

Advantage of paid digital advertising versus Search Engine Optimization (SEO)

The potential to lose money if this is done wrong

The benefit if it is set up properly

Setting up a multitier marketing plan including Google Ads and SEO </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Is Your Practice Ready for Paid Digital Marketing?</p><p>An interview with John Sanders, owner of RevKey, about Google and Social Media Ads. Curt and Katie talk with John about the importance of a solid website, effective sales process, and metrics when considering paid digital advertising. We also explore what to expect when you create Google or Facebook Ads. We also talk about why you may want to outsource this and the financial risks for getting this marketing wrong.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with John Sanders, RevKey</p><p>John is an expert in paid search, specifically, Google Ads (which used to be called Google AdWords). He holds a BBA and MBA, and he has put this education to work in a variety of positions in the marketing field, including inside sales, purchasing, E-Commerce, and marketing management. Once he found Google Ads, John was hooked. He enjoys helping businesses generate leads through Google Ads that will help their companies grow, and he has partnered with businesses in a range of professions, including medical offices, B2B companies, and national product brands. John can help your business achieve its full potential.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Google Ads and other digital advertising (social media for example)</li>
<li>The mistakes folks make in purchasing digital ads, typical pitfalls</li>
<li>Specific to Google Search Ads: why not to use smart or dynamic ads</li>
<li>Keywords and negative keywords</li>
<li>The importance of tracking your results and what results you’re looking for</li>
<li>The difference between social media and Google ads</li>
<li>What a good ad looks like and what page it goes to</li>
<li>What’s needed on a website before starting Google Ads (sufficient, relevant content and pages)</li>
<li>Service pages and the specificity of the search</li>
<li>How social media ads work (e.g., Facebook and Instagram)</li>
<li>Building an audience within social media to target with your ads</li>
<li>The value of an ideal client or niche when using social media ads</li>
<li>Social media is more of a branding exercise than Google Ads</li>
<li>Facebook has a lot of specific rules for advertising</li>
<li>What return on investment you should expect, the goal of placing ads</li>
<li>How to assess what is not working</li>
<li>Looking through the full sales cycle to determine where to improve efforts (including answering your phone)</li>
<li>The technical savvy that is needed to run and assess these ads</li>
<li>The usefulness of Google analytics</li>
<li>Determining DIY versus hiring out advertising</li>
<li>How to outsource paid digital advertising</li>
<li>How to determine the average value of a client</li>
<li>Advantage of paid digital advertising versus Search Engine Optimization (SEO)</li>
<li>The potential to lose money if this is done wrong</li>
<li>The benefit if it is set up properly</li>
<li>Setting up a multitier marketing plan including Google Ads and SEO </li>
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      <title>Conspiracy Theories in Your Office</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/conspiracy-theories-in-your-office</link>
      <description>Conspiracy Theories in Your Office
Curt and Katie chat about clients who bring conspiracy theories into therapy. We talk about differentiating between psychosis and believing in conspiracy theories, the characteristics of folks who may be likely to subscribe to these theories, and the importance of the relationship in working with these folks. We also look at steps we would like professional organizations to take to support clinicians.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How to handle when clients bring conspiracy theories into your office

Distinguishing between delusions, shared psychosis, and conspiracy theories

Reality testing, obsessive research, and other factors that may distinguish between psychosis and conspiracy theory

The impact of internet research and social media algorithms

The characteristics of folks who are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories

How fear of uncertainty, lack of trust can play into this dynamic

Societal impacts like advertising certainty

The different responsibility that therapists have when someone brings in a conspiracy theory

Hesitation in addressing these theories both in the room and at the professional org level

The continuum of engagement with conspiracy theories (from “entertainment” to going down the rabbit hole)

The level of investment in the theory, groups forming around these theories, and cults

The risk factors and legal/ethical responsibilities related to harm

Allen Lipscomb’s BRUH modality (Bonding Recognition Understanding and Healing)

The problem with direct challenging

The importance of identifying is it a conspiracy theory or is someone actually out to get you, especially with clients who are in traditionally marginalized communities

Building trust within the relationship through deep understanding of the client’s experiences

Societal measures that can help (like deplatforming leaders of the theories)

Starting from compassion and curiosity; managing reactions

Exploring the nuance of challenging irrational fears versus conspiracy theories

Seeking common ground and identifying impacts

The call to action to professional organizations for guidance and taking a stance (and the understanding of why they balk at doing so)</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Conspiracy Theories in Your Office</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Conspiracy Theories in Your Office Curt and Katie chat about clients who bring conspiracy theories into therapy. We talk about differentiating between psychosis and believing in conspiracy theories, the characteristics of folks who may be likely to...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Conspiracy Theories in Your Office
Curt and Katie chat about clients who bring conspiracy theories into therapy. We talk about differentiating between psychosis and believing in conspiracy theories, the characteristics of folks who may be likely to subscribe to these theories, and the importance of the relationship in working with these folks. We also look at steps we would like professional organizations to take to support clinicians.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How to handle when clients bring conspiracy theories into your office

Distinguishing between delusions, shared psychosis, and conspiracy theories

Reality testing, obsessive research, and other factors that may distinguish between psychosis and conspiracy theory

The impact of internet research and social media algorithms

The characteristics of folks who are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories

How fear of uncertainty, lack of trust can play into this dynamic

Societal impacts like advertising certainty

The different responsibility that therapists have when someone brings in a conspiracy theory

Hesitation in addressing these theories both in the room and at the professional org level

The continuum of engagement with conspiracy theories (from “entertainment” to going down the rabbit hole)

The level of investment in the theory, groups forming around these theories, and cults

The risk factors and legal/ethical responsibilities related to harm

Allen Lipscomb’s BRUH modality (Bonding Recognition Understanding and Healing)

The problem with direct challenging

The importance of identifying is it a conspiracy theory or is someone actually out to get you, especially with clients who are in traditionally marginalized communities

Building trust within the relationship through deep understanding of the client’s experiences

Societal measures that can help (like deplatforming leaders of the theories)

Starting from compassion and curiosity; managing reactions

Exploring the nuance of challenging irrational fears versus conspiracy theories

Seeking common ground and identifying impacts

The call to action to professional organizations for guidance and taking a stance (and the understanding of why they balk at doing so)</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Conspiracy Theories in Your Office</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about clients who bring conspiracy theories into therapy. We talk about differentiating between psychosis and believing in conspiracy theories, the characteristics of folks who may be likely to subscribe to these theories, and the importance of the relationship in working with these folks. We also look at steps we would like professional organizations to take to support clinicians.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How to handle when clients bring conspiracy theories into your office</li>
<li>Distinguishing between delusions, shared psychosis, and conspiracy theories</li>
<li>Reality testing, obsessive research, and other factors that may distinguish between psychosis and conspiracy theory</li>
<li>The impact of internet research and social media algorithms</li>
<li>The characteristics of folks who are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories</li>
<li>How fear of uncertainty, lack of trust can play into this dynamic</li>
<li>Societal impacts like advertising certainty</li>
<li>The different responsibility that therapists have when someone brings in a conspiracy theory</li>
<li>Hesitation in addressing these theories both in the room and at the professional org level</li>
<li>The continuum of engagement with conspiracy theories (from “entertainment” to going down the rabbit hole)</li>
<li>The level of investment in the theory, groups forming around these theories, and cults</li>
<li>The risk factors and legal/ethical responsibilities related to harm</li>
<li>Allen Lipscomb’s BRUH modality (Bonding Recognition Understanding and Healing)</li>
<li>The problem with direct challenging</li>
<li>The importance of identifying is it a conspiracy theory or is someone actually out to get you, especially with clients who are in traditionally marginalized communities</li>
<li>Building trust within the relationship through deep understanding of the client’s experiences</li>
<li>Societal measures that can help (like deplatforming leaders of the theories)</li>
<li>Starting from compassion and curiosity; managing reactions</li>
<li>Exploring the nuance of challenging irrational fears versus conspiracy theories</li>
<li>Seeking common ground and identifying impacts</li>
<li>The call to action to professional organizations for guidance and taking a stance (and the understanding of why they balk at doing so)</li>
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      <title>Therapists Shaming Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapists-shaming-therapists</link>
      <description>Therapists Shaming Therapists
An interview with Katie Read about therapists shaming each other when they raise their fees or start playing bigger. Curt and Katie talk with Katie about the puritanical culture within the therapist community that leads to group think, public shaming, and milquetoast messaging to mitigate their fear that anything different will be attacked. We look at reasons behind this (jealousy, guilt, shame, and moralism) as well as what therapists can do to step outside of this culture to create more success. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Katie Read, LMFT, Six Figure Flagship
Katie takes lessons from her nearly-20 successful years in the field to help clinicians grow...then OUTgrow...their practices.
Immediately upon licensure, Katie was made Director of a large Transitional Aged Youth program in Oakland, CA. Later, she was recruited to Direct one of Sacramento’s largest Wraparound Programs, and from there she moved into the role of Director of Clinical Supervision, personally supervising 40+ interns towards licensure.
Concurrently, Katie had private practices in multiple cities, taught graduate psychology students, and wrote and created therapist training materials.
Katie is also a special needs mom and loves helping other moms tune into their own intuition and lead their best-possible lives by taking the sometimes-scary leap into following what’s best for them, deep down.
She is the creator of:
The Clinician to Coach® Academy,
The Clini-Coach® Certification,
and the Six-Figure Flagship™ Program.
She’s a little bit obsessed with helping therapists get profitable doing the creative, out-of-the-box, authentic work you're called to do!
In this episode we talk about:

How therapists are treating each other

The concept of trolling, piling on, shame

The Article in the Atlantic – New Puritans – and the concept of the illiberal left

How identity plays a role and the group dynamics within therapist Facebook groups

The shaming related to increasing your fees

Katie Read’s origin story as an on the street social work

The value placed on sacrifice and avoiding guilt for the difference in privilege when working with clients who are impoverished

Socially-prescribed perfectionism, self-imposed perfectionism

The fine line about what is acceptable to charge or make as a therapist

Cancel culture and the lack of allowance for errors

Echo chambers, factions, and exclusion

The fear of dissenting opinions

The low context of the internet paired with the high context nature of a therapist’s job

Milquetoast messaging to avoid getting attacked

Dialing down authenticity to fit into what is acceptable

Challenging our financial mindset

Cultural and societal factors that frame us as cheap labor

The seeming requirement for therapists to suffer in order to understand our clients

The reality of therapists as business owners

Therapist guilt for “earning money”

Feminized professions and the expectation of doing things out the goodness of our hearts

Rapidly changing social rules versus entrenchment in what has been

How this identity shift is spilling over into real life

Jealousy, guilt, and shame, and moralism

The best therapists have the worst impostor syndrome

How to navigate when you’re a therapist going against the grain

The importance of every therapist doing their own money mindset work</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapists Shaming Therapists: An interview with Katie Read</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Katie Read </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Therapists Shaming Therapists
An interview with Katie Read about therapists shaming each other when they raise their fees or start playing bigger. Curt and Katie talk with Katie about the puritanical culture within the therapist community that leads to group think, public shaming, and milquetoast messaging to mitigate their fear that anything different will be attacked. We look at reasons behind this (jealousy, guilt, shame, and moralism) as well as what therapists can do to step outside of this culture to create more success. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Katie Read, LMFT, Six Figure Flagship
Katie takes lessons from her nearly-20 successful years in the field to help clinicians grow...then OUTgrow...their practices.
Immediately upon licensure, Katie was made Director of a large Transitional Aged Youth program in Oakland, CA. Later, she was recruited to Direct one of Sacramento’s largest Wraparound Programs, and from there she moved into the role of Director of Clinical Supervision, personally supervising 40+ interns towards licensure.
Concurrently, Katie had private practices in multiple cities, taught graduate psychology students, and wrote and created therapist training materials.
Katie is also a special needs mom and loves helping other moms tune into their own intuition and lead their best-possible lives by taking the sometimes-scary leap into following what’s best for them, deep down.
She is the creator of:
The Clinician to Coach® Academy,
The Clini-Coach® Certification,
and the Six-Figure Flagship™ Program.
She’s a little bit obsessed with helping therapists get profitable doing the creative, out-of-the-box, authentic work you're called to do!
In this episode we talk about:

How therapists are treating each other

The concept of trolling, piling on, shame

The Article in the Atlantic – New Puritans – and the concept of the illiberal left

How identity plays a role and the group dynamics within therapist Facebook groups

The shaming related to increasing your fees

Katie Read’s origin story as an on the street social work

The value placed on sacrifice and avoiding guilt for the difference in privilege when working with clients who are impoverished

Socially-prescribed perfectionism, self-imposed perfectionism

The fine line about what is acceptable to charge or make as a therapist

Cancel culture and the lack of allowance for errors

Echo chambers, factions, and exclusion

The fear of dissenting opinions

The low context of the internet paired with the high context nature of a therapist’s job

Milquetoast messaging to avoid getting attacked

Dialing down authenticity to fit into what is acceptable

Challenging our financial mindset

Cultural and societal factors that frame us as cheap labor

The seeming requirement for therapists to suffer in order to understand our clients

The reality of therapists as business owners

Therapist guilt for “earning money”

Feminized professions and the expectation of doing things out the goodness of our hearts

Rapidly changing social rules versus entrenchment in what has been

How this identity shift is spilling over into real life

Jealousy, guilt, and shame, and moralism

The best therapists have the worst impostor syndrome

How to navigate when you’re a therapist going against the grain

The importance of every therapist doing their own money mindset work</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Therapists Shaming Therapists</p><p>An interview with Katie Read about therapists shaming each other when they raise their fees or start playing bigger. Curt and Katie talk with Katie about the puritanical culture within the therapist community that leads to group think, public shaming, and milquetoast messaging to mitigate their fear that anything different will be attacked. We look at reasons behind this (jealousy, guilt, shame, and moralism) as well as what therapists can do to step outside of this culture to create more success. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Katie Read, LMFT, Six Figure Flagship</p><p>Katie takes lessons from her nearly-20 successful years in the field to help clinicians grow...then OUTgrow...their practices.</p><p>Immediately upon licensure, Katie was made Director of a large Transitional Aged Youth program in Oakland, CA. Later, she was recruited to Direct one of Sacramento’s largest Wraparound Programs, and from there she moved into the role of Director of Clinical Supervision, personally supervising 40+ interns towards licensure.</p><p>Concurrently, Katie had private practices in multiple cities, taught graduate psychology students, and wrote and created therapist training materials.</p><p>Katie is also a special needs mom and loves helping other moms tune into their own intuition and lead their best-possible lives by taking the sometimes-scary leap into following what’s best for them, deep down.</p><p>She is the creator of:</p><p>The Clinician to Coach® Academy,</p><p>The Clini-Coach® Certification,</p><p>and the Six-Figure Flagship™ Program.</p><p>She’s a little bit obsessed with helping therapists get profitable doing the creative, out-of-the-box, authentic work you're called to do!</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How therapists are treating each other</li>
<li>The concept of trolling, piling on, shame</li>
<li>The Article in the Atlantic – New Puritans – and the concept of the illiberal left</li>
<li>How identity plays a role and the group dynamics within therapist Facebook groups</li>
<li>The shaming related to increasing your fees</li>
<li>Katie Read’s origin story as an on the street social work</li>
<li>The value placed on sacrifice and avoiding guilt for the difference in privilege when working with clients who are impoverished</li>
<li>Socially-prescribed perfectionism, self-imposed perfectionism</li>
<li>The fine line about what is acceptable to charge or make as a therapist</li>
<li>Cancel culture and the lack of allowance for errors</li>
<li>Echo chambers, factions, and exclusion</li>
<li>The fear of dissenting opinions</li>
<li>The low context of the internet paired with the high context nature of a therapist’s job</li>
<li>Milquetoast messaging to avoid getting attacked</li>
<li>Dialing down authenticity to fit into what is acceptable</li>
<li>Challenging our financial mindset</li>
<li>Cultural and societal factors that frame us as cheap labor</li>
<li>The seeming requirement for therapists to suffer in order to understand our clients</li>
<li>The reality of therapists as business owners</li>
<li>Therapist guilt for “earning money”</li>
<li>Feminized professions and the expectation of doing things out the goodness of our hearts</li>
<li>Rapidly changing social rules versus entrenchment in what has been</li>
<li>How this identity shift is spilling over into real life</li>
<li>Jealousy, guilt, and shame, and moralism</li>
<li>The best therapists have the worst impostor syndrome</li>
<li>How to navigate when you’re a therapist going against the grain</li>
<li>The importance of every therapist doing their own money mindset work</li>
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      <title>Advocacy in the Wake of Looming Mental Healthcare Workforce Shortages</title>
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      <description>Advocacy in the Wake of Looming Mental Healthcare Workforce Shortages
Curt and Katie chat about the looming (and current) mental health workforce shortages. We talk about the exodus of mental health providers, legislation and proposed bills that seek to address these shortages, and what modern therapists can do to advocate for the needed changes. We also talk about inadequate or harmful strategies (like cheering, scholarships, and subway sandwiches) that are often implemented by agencies and legislatures. We provide individual and collective calls to action. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Recent data that shows that there will be huge workforce shortages in coming years

The difficulty for folks in accessing mental health services in all sectors

The reasons that mental health workers are leaving the profession

High caseloads, higher acuity

Systemic burnout, jaded supervisors

The inadequate “support” of mental health workers with subway sandwiches, cheering heroes

Legislation that has gone through to support healthcare workers in receiving mental health

Legislation that funds hiring more workers

Bills addressing scholarships to increase folks going to school for mental health

The problem with scholarship bills versus loan forgiveness bills

Bills working to decrease wait times for those seeking services

Creating and filling in mental health treatment needs with paraprofessionals, peer counselors

Navigating funding and worker shortages with new treatment planning

The challenge in “steeling our hearts” to make choices in how we work and who we work for

Both individual and systemic action that we can take to address these issues

A request for the National Guard to come in and staff residential treatment centers

The importance of taking action now to get involved in legislative advocacy</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Advocacy in the Wake of Looming Mental Healthcare Workforce Shortages</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Advocacy in the Wake of Looming Mental Healthcare Workforce Shortages Curt and Katie chat about the looming (and current) mental health workforce shortages. We talk about the exodus of mental health providers, legislation and proposed bills that seek...</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Advocacy in the Wake of Looming Mental Healthcare Workforce Shortages
Curt and Katie chat about the looming (and current) mental health workforce shortages. We talk about the exodus of mental health providers, legislation and proposed bills that seek to address these shortages, and what modern therapists can do to advocate for the needed changes. We also talk about inadequate or harmful strategies (like cheering, scholarships, and subway sandwiches) that are often implemented by agencies and legislatures. We provide individual and collective calls to action. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Recent data that shows that there will be huge workforce shortages in coming years

The difficulty for folks in accessing mental health services in all sectors

The reasons that mental health workers are leaving the profession

High caseloads, higher acuity

Systemic burnout, jaded supervisors

The inadequate “support” of mental health workers with subway sandwiches, cheering heroes

Legislation that has gone through to support healthcare workers in receiving mental health

Legislation that funds hiring more workers

Bills addressing scholarships to increase folks going to school for mental health

The problem with scholarship bills versus loan forgiveness bills

Bills working to decrease wait times for those seeking services

Creating and filling in mental health treatment needs with paraprofessionals, peer counselors

Navigating funding and worker shortages with new treatment planning

The challenge in “steeling our hearts” to make choices in how we work and who we work for

Both individual and systemic action that we can take to address these issues

A request for the National Guard to come in and staff residential treatment centers

The importance of taking action now to get involved in legislative advocacy</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Advocacy in the Wake of Looming Mental Healthcare Workforce Shortages</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the looming (and current) mental health workforce shortages. We talk about the exodus of mental health providers, legislation and proposed bills that seek to address these shortages, and what modern therapists can do to advocate for the needed changes. We also talk about inadequate or harmful strategies (like cheering, scholarships, and subway sandwiches) that are often implemented by agencies and legislatures. We provide individual and collective calls to action. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Recent data that shows that there will be huge workforce shortages in coming years</li>
<li>The difficulty for folks in accessing mental health services in all sectors</li>
<li>The reasons that mental health workers are leaving the profession</li>
<li>High caseloads, higher acuity</li>
<li>Systemic burnout, jaded supervisors</li>
<li>The inadequate “support” of mental health workers with subway sandwiches, cheering heroes</li>
<li>Legislation that has gone through to support healthcare workers in receiving mental health</li>
<li>Legislation that funds hiring more workers</li>
<li>Bills addressing scholarships to increase folks going to school for mental health</li>
<li>The problem with scholarship bills versus loan forgiveness bills</li>
<li>Bills working to decrease wait times for those seeking services</li>
<li>Creating and filling in mental health treatment needs with paraprofessionals, peer counselors</li>
<li>Navigating funding and worker shortages with new treatment planning</li>
<li>The challenge in “steeling our hearts” to make choices in how we work and who we work for</li>
<li>Both individual and systemic action that we can take to address these issues</li>
<li>A request for the National Guard to come in and staff residential treatment centers</li>
<li>The importance of taking action now to get involved in legislative advocacy</li>
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      <title>Waiving Goodbye to Telehealth Progress</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/waiving-goodbye-to-telehealth-progress</link>
      <description>Waiving Goodbye to Telehealth Progress
An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT about the impacts of rolling back the covid telehealth waivers. Curt and Katie talk with Ben about how the expiration of emergency orders will impact the profession. As a case study, we talk through how the California professional boards and associations are navigating these challenges, including looking at disciplinary action that has caused alarm (although we don’t think it should). We also talk about calls to action to get involved now, so you can shape future policy on telehealth, tele-supervision, and remote work.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT
Dr. Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#42723) and the Continuing Education Director for SimplePractice Learning. He currently serves as adjunct faculty for California State University Northridge in Los Angeles. He has taught at the graduate level for more than 15 years, primarily in Law and Ethics, and has written and trained extensively on ethical applications in mental health care. In addition to serving a three-year term on the AAMFT Ethics Committee, Dr. Caldwell served as the Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for AAMFT-California for 10 years. He served as Editor for the User’s Guide to the 2015 AAMFT Code of Ethics and is the author for several books, including Saving Psychotherapy and Basics of California Law for LMFTS, LPCCs, and LCSWs.
In this episode we talk about:

As a case study: the California Board of Behavioral Sciences rolling back covid waivers and losing the progress made during the pandemic

The emergency orders - covid waivers - that are expiring related to telehealth, tele-supervision

The specifics of remote supervision when emergency orders are rescinded. Looking at permanent legislation concerns as well as the best-case timeline for when remote supervision can come back

The concerns about moving backward and losing all progress made during the pandemic related to electronic and telehealth efforts

The short-sightedness of requiring an in-person meeting when starting telehealth or tele-supervision

Disciplinary action case regarding remote supervision and a prelicensed individual working from home – but there’s so much more nuance than that

Current legislation related to where mental health employees can work (which is actually quite flexible in CA)

Equity and access issues related to not allowing clinicians to provide mental health from home

On-going responsibilities for supervisors to ensure confidentiality and data security

The requirements that supervisors have regardless of where supervisees are working

Calls to Action to attend Board meetings for your licensing board, so you can be informed and help to shape future policy.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Waiving Goodbye to Telehealth Progress: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Waiving Goodbye to Telehealth Progress
An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT about the impacts of rolling back the covid telehealth waivers. Curt and Katie talk with Ben about how the expiration of emergency orders will impact the profession. As a case study, we talk through how the California professional boards and associations are navigating these challenges, including looking at disciplinary action that has caused alarm (although we don’t think it should). We also talk about calls to action to get involved now, so you can shape future policy on telehealth, tele-supervision, and remote work.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT
Dr. Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#42723) and the Continuing Education Director for SimplePractice Learning. He currently serves as adjunct faculty for California State University Northridge in Los Angeles. He has taught at the graduate level for more than 15 years, primarily in Law and Ethics, and has written and trained extensively on ethical applications in mental health care. In addition to serving a three-year term on the AAMFT Ethics Committee, Dr. Caldwell served as the Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for AAMFT-California for 10 years. He served as Editor for the User’s Guide to the 2015 AAMFT Code of Ethics and is the author for several books, including Saving Psychotherapy and Basics of California Law for LMFTS, LPCCs, and LCSWs.
In this episode we talk about:

As a case study: the California Board of Behavioral Sciences rolling back covid waivers and losing the progress made during the pandemic

The emergency orders - covid waivers - that are expiring related to telehealth, tele-supervision

The specifics of remote supervision when emergency orders are rescinded. Looking at permanent legislation concerns as well as the best-case timeline for when remote supervision can come back

The concerns about moving backward and losing all progress made during the pandemic related to electronic and telehealth efforts

The short-sightedness of requiring an in-person meeting when starting telehealth or tele-supervision

Disciplinary action case regarding remote supervision and a prelicensed individual working from home – but there’s so much more nuance than that

Current legislation related to where mental health employees can work (which is actually quite flexible in CA)

Equity and access issues related to not allowing clinicians to provide mental health from home

On-going responsibilities for supervisors to ensure confidentiality and data security

The requirements that supervisors have regardless of where supervisees are working

Calls to Action to attend Board meetings for your licensing board, so you can be informed and help to shape future policy.</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Waiving Goodbye to Telehealth Progress</p><p>An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT about the impacts of rolling back the covid telehealth waivers. Curt and Katie talk with Ben about how the expiration of emergency orders will impact the profession. As a case study, we talk through how the California professional boards and associations are navigating these challenges, including looking at disciplinary action that has caused alarm (although we don’t think it should). We also talk about calls to action to get involved now, so you can shape future policy on telehealth, tele-supervision, and remote work.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT</p><p>Dr. Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#42723) and the Continuing Education Director for SimplePractice Learning. He currently serves as adjunct faculty for California State University Northridge in Los Angeles. He has taught at the graduate level for more than 15 years, primarily in Law and Ethics, and has written and trained extensively on ethical applications in mental health care. In addition to serving a three-year term on the AAMFT Ethics Committee, Dr. Caldwell served as the Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for AAMFT-California for 10 years. He served as Editor for the User’s Guide to the 2015 AAMFT Code of Ethics and is the author for several books, including Saving Psychotherapy and Basics of California Law for LMFTS, LPCCs, and LCSWs.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>As a case study: the California Board of Behavioral Sciences rolling back covid waivers and losing the progress made during the pandemic</li>
<li>The emergency orders - covid waivers - that are expiring related to telehealth, tele-supervision</li>
<li>The specifics of remote supervision when emergency orders are rescinded. Looking at permanent legislation concerns as well as the best-case timeline for when remote supervision can come back</li>
<li>The concerns about moving backward and losing all progress made during the pandemic related to electronic and telehealth efforts</li>
<li>The short-sightedness of requiring an in-person meeting when starting telehealth or tele-supervision</li>
<li>Disciplinary action case regarding remote supervision and a prelicensed individual working from home – but there’s so much more nuance than that</li>
<li>Current legislation related to where mental health employees can work (which is actually quite flexible in CA)</li>
<li>Equity and access issues related to not allowing clinicians to provide mental health from home</li>
<li>On-going responsibilities for supervisors to ensure confidentiality and data security</li>
<li>The requirements that supervisors have regardless of where supervisees are working</li>
<li>Calls to Action to attend Board meetings for your licensing board, so you can be informed and help to shape future policy.</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Reimagining Therapy Reimagined</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/reimagining-therapy-reimagined</link>
      <description>Reimagining Therapy Reimagined
Curt and Katie chat about their decision to step back from the Therapy Reimagined Conference and what they will be focusing their energy on moving forward. We explore how we came to this decision and the importance of examining what is working in your business practice. We also talk about how other Modern Therapists can get involved in the Therapy Reimagined movement.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Taking a step back and looking at what the mission for Therapy Reimagined is.

Why we decided to take a step back from the Therapy Reimagined Conference.

What we will be focusing our energy on in place of the conference.

How and what you can begin advocating for to help improve the field.

Factors that get in the way of advocacy.

Ways to get involved with Therapy Reimagined.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Reimagining Therapy Reimagined</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about their decision to step back from the Therapy Reimagined Conference and what they will be focusing their energy on moving forward.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Reimagining Therapy Reimagined
Curt and Katie chat about their decision to step back from the Therapy Reimagined Conference and what they will be focusing their energy on moving forward. We explore how we came to this decision and the importance of examining what is working in your business practice. We also talk about how other Modern Therapists can get involved in the Therapy Reimagined movement.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Taking a step back and looking at what the mission for Therapy Reimagined is.

Why we decided to take a step back from the Therapy Reimagined Conference.

What we will be focusing our energy on in place of the conference.

How and what you can begin advocating for to help improve the field.

Factors that get in the way of advocacy.

Ways to get involved with Therapy Reimagined.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Reimagining Therapy Reimagined</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about their decision to step back from the Therapy Reimagined Conference and what they will be focusing their energy on moving forward. We explore how we came to this decision and the importance of examining what is working in your business practice. We also talk about how other Modern Therapists can get involved in the Therapy Reimagined movement.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Taking a step back and looking at what the mission for Therapy Reimagined is.</li>
<li>Why we decided to take a step back from the Therapy Reimagined Conference.</li>
<li>What we will be focusing our energy on in place of the conference.</li>
<li>How and what you can begin advocating for to help improve the field.</li>
<li>Factors that get in the way of advocacy.</li>
<li>Ways to get involved with Therapy Reimagined.</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <itunes:duration>1684</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Why You Shouldn’t Just Do it All Yourself</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/why-you-shouldnt-just-do-it-all-yourself</link>
      <description>Why You Shouldn’t Just Do it All Yourself
An interview with Bibi Goldstein, on how clinicians can grow their business by assessing what they can automate, delegate, or eliminate. We explore the importance of getting rid of the tasks you don’t enjoy doing and benefit of creating more time for things you do enjoy (including getting some rest!). We also talk about how to balance spending money to outsource responsibilities in order to make revenue. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Bibi Goldstein, Founder of Buying Time, LLC
Buying Time, LLC founder, Bibi Goldstein is a time management and systems expert, speaker, co-author of Get Organized Today, Navigating Entrepreneurship and Business Success with Ease, where she provides information on establishing systems in every size business. She is an Infusionsoft Certified Partner and works with many entrepreneurs to automate and systemize their businesses in order to maximize their time. Her team proudly launched www.virtualassistantsuniversity.com in 2021 to provide an opportunity for the millions of people finding themselves needing alternatives to a traditional work environment due to the pandemic.
She is an active member of her business community in the South Bay. Bibi is current chair for the South Bay Women’s Conference, Board Member at the Manhattan Beach Chamber of Commerce, Community Chair/Board Member at the Redondo Beach Chamber of Commerce, Advisory Board Member for Walk With Sally, a mentoring program and Past President and current Vice President of the South Bay Business Women’s Association, she served as a committee member and past chair for the Manhattan Beach Women In Business, past President of the Kiwanis Club of Manhattan Beach, and a member of the 2011 class of Leadership Redondo.
Bibi has strong lifelong ties to the South Bay community, she lives in Redondo Beach with her husband Mark and has a daughter Julie who is a hairstylist and a local entrepreneur.
 
In this episode we talk about:

Who Bibi Goldstein is and what she puts out in the world.

What people, specifically healers, get wrong in scaling their businesses.

How clinicians can figure out what to outsource for their business and what to manage themselves.

Understanding how to balance what outsourcing will cost you and how much it will make you.

Important things new clinicians should know about scaling their business and action steps they can take now.

The things clinicians should not outsource.

How clinicians can do a quick assessment of what they need to automate, delegate, or eliminate.

Understanding the importance of rest and doing the things you enjoy to help grow your practice.

Getting over not wanting to outsource because of anxiety about how “bad” you’ve been doing it thus far.

What Buying Time and Virtual Assistant University are all about.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Why You Shouldn’t Just Do it All Yourself</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/85eedbb2-690e-11ed-9001-f33454c73cae/image/Episode_228.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Bibi Goldstein, on how clinicians can grow their business by assessing what they can automate, delegate, or eliminate. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why You Shouldn’t Just Do it All Yourself
An interview with Bibi Goldstein, on how clinicians can grow their business by assessing what they can automate, delegate, or eliminate. We explore the importance of getting rid of the tasks you don’t enjoy doing and benefit of creating more time for things you do enjoy (including getting some rest!). We also talk about how to balance spending money to outsource responsibilities in order to make revenue. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Bibi Goldstein, Founder of Buying Time, LLC
Buying Time, LLC founder, Bibi Goldstein is a time management and systems expert, speaker, co-author of Get Organized Today, Navigating Entrepreneurship and Business Success with Ease, where she provides information on establishing systems in every size business. She is an Infusionsoft Certified Partner and works with many entrepreneurs to automate and systemize their businesses in order to maximize their time. Her team proudly launched www.virtualassistantsuniversity.com in 2021 to provide an opportunity for the millions of people finding themselves needing alternatives to a traditional work environment due to the pandemic.
She is an active member of her business community in the South Bay. Bibi is current chair for the South Bay Women’s Conference, Board Member at the Manhattan Beach Chamber of Commerce, Community Chair/Board Member at the Redondo Beach Chamber of Commerce, Advisory Board Member for Walk With Sally, a mentoring program and Past President and current Vice President of the South Bay Business Women’s Association, she served as a committee member and past chair for the Manhattan Beach Women In Business, past President of the Kiwanis Club of Manhattan Beach, and a member of the 2011 class of Leadership Redondo.
Bibi has strong lifelong ties to the South Bay community, she lives in Redondo Beach with her husband Mark and has a daughter Julie who is a hairstylist and a local entrepreneur.
 
In this episode we talk about:

Who Bibi Goldstein is and what she puts out in the world.

What people, specifically healers, get wrong in scaling their businesses.

How clinicians can figure out what to outsource for their business and what to manage themselves.

Understanding how to balance what outsourcing will cost you and how much it will make you.

Important things new clinicians should know about scaling their business and action steps they can take now.

The things clinicians should not outsource.

How clinicians can do a quick assessment of what they need to automate, delegate, or eliminate.

Understanding the importance of rest and doing the things you enjoy to help grow your practice.

Getting over not wanting to outsource because of anxiety about how “bad” you’ve been doing it thus far.

What Buying Time and Virtual Assistant University are all about.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Why You Shouldn’t Just Do it All Yourself</p><p>An interview with Bibi Goldstein, on how clinicians can grow their business by assessing what they can automate, delegate, or eliminate. We explore the importance of getting rid of the tasks you don’t enjoy doing and benefit of creating more time for things you do enjoy (including getting some rest!). We also talk about how to balance spending money to outsource responsibilities in order to make revenue. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p> </p><p>Interview with Bibi Goldstein, Founder of Buying Time, LLC</p><p>Buying Time, LLC founder, Bibi Goldstein is a time management and systems expert, speaker, co-author of Get Organized Today, Navigating Entrepreneurship and Business Success with Ease, where she provides information on establishing systems in every size business. She is an Infusionsoft Certified Partner and works with many entrepreneurs to automate and systemize their businesses in order to maximize their time. Her team proudly launched www.virtualassistantsuniversity.com in 2021 to provide an opportunity for the millions of people finding themselves needing alternatives to a traditional work environment due to the pandemic.</p><p>She is an active member of her business community in the South Bay. Bibi is current chair for the South Bay Women’s Conference, Board Member at the Manhattan Beach Chamber of Commerce, Community Chair/Board Member at the Redondo Beach Chamber of Commerce, Advisory Board Member for Walk With Sally, a mentoring program and Past President and current Vice President of the South Bay Business Women’s Association, she served as a committee member and past chair for the Manhattan Beach Women In Business, past President of the Kiwanis Club of Manhattan Beach, and a member of the 2011 class of Leadership Redondo.</p><p>Bibi has strong lifelong ties to the South Bay community, she lives in Redondo Beach with her husband Mark and has a daughter Julie who is a hairstylist and a local entrepreneur.</p><p> </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Who Bibi Goldstein is and what she puts out in the world.</li>
<li>What people, specifically healers, get wrong in scaling their businesses.</li>
<li>How clinicians can figure out what to outsource for their business and what to manage themselves.</li>
<li>Understanding how to balance what outsourcing will cost you and how much it will make you.</li>
<li>Important things new clinicians should know about scaling their business and action steps they can take now.</li>
<li>The things clinicians should not outsource.</li>
<li>How clinicians can do a quick assessment of what they need to automate, delegate, or eliminate.</li>
<li>Understanding the importance of rest and doing the things you enjoy to help grow your practice.</li>
<li>Getting over not wanting to outsource because of anxiety about how “bad” you’ve been doing it thus far.</li>
<li>What Buying Time and Virtual Assistant University are all about.</li>
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      <title>The Return of Why Therapists Quit</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-return-of-why-therapists-quit</link>
      <description>The Return of Why Therapists Quit
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can maintain joy in their practice when they begin to feel burned out. We explore different ways to incorporate self-care into your life and practice, including making future plans and developing your whole identity. We also talk about how privilege impacts therapists’ ability to engage in self-care and career opportunities.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Discussion of why Katie has not quit the field.

Fighting burnout by focusing on what brings you joy in your practice (the Marie Kondo approach).

The importance of self-care and incorporating new hobbies/interests into your life.

Assessing the distinction between “not great days” and a “not great workplace”.

Considering privilege in the ability for therapists to engage in self-care as well as career opportunities.

The impact COVID has had on therapist’s being able to participate in self-care.

Learning how to incorporate time to make plans for future career goals.

How to notice burnout and sacrificial helping.

The importance of fostering all aspects of your identity (because you are not your job).

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Marie Kondo
Steven Covey's Big Rocks
Relevant Episodes:
 Why Therapists Quit
 Why Therapists Quit Part 2
 Burnout or Depression
 We Can’t Help Ourselves
 Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists
 The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists
 Negotiating Sliding Scale
 Overcoming Your Poverty Mindset
 Career Trekking with MTSG
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Return of Why Therapists Quit</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can maintain joy in their practice when they begin to feel burned out. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The Return of Why Therapists Quit
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can maintain joy in their practice when they begin to feel burned out. We explore different ways to incorporate self-care into your life and practice, including making future plans and developing your whole identity. We also talk about how privilege impacts therapists’ ability to engage in self-care and career opportunities.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Discussion of why Katie has not quit the field.

Fighting burnout by focusing on what brings you joy in your practice (the Marie Kondo approach).

The importance of self-care and incorporating new hobbies/interests into your life.

Assessing the distinction between “not great days” and a “not great workplace”.

Considering privilege in the ability for therapists to engage in self-care as well as career opportunities.

The impact COVID has had on therapist’s being able to participate in self-care.

Learning how to incorporate time to make plans for future career goals.

How to notice burnout and sacrificial helping.

The importance of fostering all aspects of your identity (because you are not your job).

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Marie Kondo
Steven Covey's Big Rocks
Relevant Episodes:
 Why Therapists Quit
 Why Therapists Quit Part 2
 Burnout or Depression
 We Can’t Help Ourselves
 Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists
 The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists
 Negotiating Sliding Scale
 Overcoming Your Poverty Mindset
 Career Trekking with MTSG
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Return of Why Therapists Quit</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists can maintain joy in their practice when they begin to feel burned out. We explore different ways to incorporate self-care into your life and practice, including making future plans and developing your whole identity. We also talk about how privilege impacts therapists’ ability to engage in self-care and career opportunities.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Discussion of why Katie has not quit the field.</li>
<li>Fighting burnout by focusing on what brings you joy in your practice (the Marie Kondo approach).</li>
<li>The importance of self-care and incorporating new hobbies/interests into your life.</li>
<li>Assessing the distinction between “not great days” and a “not great workplace”.</li>
<li>Considering privilege in the ability for therapists to engage in self-care as well as career opportunities.</li>
<li>The impact COVID has had on therapist’s being able to participate in self-care.</li>
<li>Learning how to incorporate time to make plans for future career goals.</li>
<li>How to notice burnout and sacrificial helping.</li>
<li>The importance of fostering all aspects of your identity (because you are not your job).</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://konmari.com/">Marie Kondo</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV3gMTOEWt8">Steven Covey's Big Rocks</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/why-therapists-quit/"> Why Therapists Quit</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/why-therapists-quit-part-2/"> Why Therapists Quit Part 2</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/burnout-or-depression/"> Burnout or Depression</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/we-cant-help-ourselves/"> We Can’t Help Ourselves</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/quarantine-self-care-for-therapists/"> Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/quarantine-self-care-for-therapists/"> The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/negotiating-sliding-scale/"> Negotiating Sliding Scale</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/overcoming-your-poverty-mindset/"> Overcoming Your Poverty Mindset</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/career-trekking-with-mtsg/"> Career Trekking with MTSG</a></p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically) Part 1.5</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/how-to-fire-your-clients-ethically-part-15</link>
      <description>Episode 226: How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically) Part 1.5
Curt and Katie chat about different therapist-client mismatches and how to manage them. We explore how to balance dealing with discomfort in therapy and seeking consultation with knowing when and how to refer out clients. We also talk about how to incorporate ideas of redefining and decolonizing therapy.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How to manage situations when the client having a clinical need that the therapist does not feel capable to treat.

Different kinds of therapist-client mismatches.

Cultural considerations in therapist-client matching and incorporating ideas of redefining and decolonizing therapy.

How to refer out clients when there is a mismatch and what to do if the client doesn’t want to be referred out.

What to do when you have different ideologies than your clients.

The benefit of sitting with discomfort when you disagree with your client and knowing when to seek consultation.

How to support clients when they aren’t aware that a different therapeutic style (e.g., direct vs. indirect) may be beneficial to them.

The importance of reviewing treatment plans with client (even when not required).

Revisiting how to address therapy interfering behaviors and how to appropriately terminate with clients when necessary.

Barriers in referring clients out.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically) Part 1.5</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about different therapist-client mismatches and how to manage them. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Episode 226: How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically) Part 1.5
Curt and Katie chat about different therapist-client mismatches and how to manage them. We explore how to balance dealing with discomfort in therapy and seeking consultation with knowing when and how to refer out clients. We also talk about how to incorporate ideas of redefining and decolonizing therapy.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How to manage situations when the client having a clinical need that the therapist does not feel capable to treat.

Different kinds of therapist-client mismatches.

Cultural considerations in therapist-client matching and incorporating ideas of redefining and decolonizing therapy.

How to refer out clients when there is a mismatch and what to do if the client doesn’t want to be referred out.

What to do when you have different ideologies than your clients.

The benefit of sitting with discomfort when you disagree with your client and knowing when to seek consultation.

How to support clients when they aren’t aware that a different therapeutic style (e.g., direct vs. indirect) may be beneficial to them.

The importance of reviewing treatment plans with client (even when not required).

Revisiting how to address therapy interfering behaviors and how to appropriately terminate with clients when necessary.

Barriers in referring clients out.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Episode 226: How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically) Part 1.5</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about different therapist-client mismatches and how to manage them. We explore how to balance dealing with discomfort in therapy and seeking consultation with knowing when and how to refer out clients. We also talk about how to incorporate ideas of redefining and decolonizing therapy.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How to manage situations when the client having a clinical need that the therapist does not feel capable to treat.</li>
<li>Different kinds of therapist-client mismatches.</li>
<li>Cultural considerations in therapist-client matching and incorporating ideas of redefining and decolonizing therapy.</li>
<li>How to refer out clients when there is a mismatch and what to do if the client doesn’t want to be referred out.</li>
<li>What to do when you have different ideologies than your clients.</li>
<li>The benefit of sitting with discomfort when you disagree with your client and knowing when to seek consultation.</li>
<li>How to support clients when they aren’t aware that a different therapeutic style (e.g., direct vs. indirect) may be beneficial to them.</li>
<li>The importance of reviewing treatment plans with client (even when not required).</li>
<li>Revisiting how to address therapy interfering behaviors and how to appropriately terminate with clients when necessary.</li>
<li>Barriers in referring clients out.</li>
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      <title>What to do When Clients Get in Their Own Way</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/what-to-do-when-clients-get-in-their-own-way</link>
      <description>What to do When Clients Get in Their Own Way
Curt and Katie chat about what therapy interfering behaviors (TIBs) are and how to address them in therapy. We explore the balance between reducing barriers for clients while also holding them accountable for their behavior. We also talk about how to identify if it is the therapist or the client engaging in a TIB.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

What therapy interfering behaviors (TIBs) are and how TIBs show up in the therapy room.

How to address TIBs in therapy (we may disagree a little here).

The balance between reducing barriers for clients and holding them accountable.

If you should still have session when a client shows up late.

Using appropriate self-disclosure to address TIBs.

Should you fire clients for TIBs?

When therapists engage in TIBs.

How to evaluate if it’s a client TIB or therapist TIB.

Managing imposter syndrome when a client becomes hostile because the therapist cannot provide what the client wants.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What to do When Clients Get in Their Own Way</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about what therapy interfering behaviors (TIBs) are and how to address them in therapy. We explore the balance between reducing barriers for clients while also holding them accountable for their behavior. We also talk about how to iden</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What to do When Clients Get in Their Own Way
Curt and Katie chat about what therapy interfering behaviors (TIBs) are and how to address them in therapy. We explore the balance between reducing barriers for clients while also holding them accountable for their behavior. We also talk about how to identify if it is the therapist or the client engaging in a TIB.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

What therapy interfering behaviors (TIBs) are and how TIBs show up in the therapy room.

How to address TIBs in therapy (we may disagree a little here).

The balance between reducing barriers for clients and holding them accountable.

If you should still have session when a client shows up late.

Using appropriate self-disclosure to address TIBs.

Should you fire clients for TIBs?

When therapists engage in TIBs.

How to evaluate if it’s a client TIB or therapist TIB.

Managing imposter syndrome when a client becomes hostile because the therapist cannot provide what the client wants.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What to do When Clients Get in Their Own Way</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about what therapy interfering behaviors (TIBs) are and how to address them in therapy. We explore the balance between reducing barriers for clients while also holding them accountable for their behavior. We also talk about how to identify if it is the therapist or the client engaging in a TIB.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>What therapy interfering behaviors (TIBs) are and how TIBs show up in the therapy room.</li>
<li>How to address TIBs in therapy (we may disagree a little here).</li>
<li>The balance between reducing barriers for clients and holding them accountable.</li>
<li>If you should still have session when a client shows up late.</li>
<li>Using appropriate self-disclosure to address TIBs.</li>
<li>Should you fire clients for TIBs?</li>
<li>When therapists engage in TIBs.</li>
<li>How to evaluate if it’s a client TIB or therapist TIB.</li>
<li>Managing imposter syndrome when a client becomes hostile because the therapist cannot provide what the client wants.</li>
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      <title>Are You Even Trauma-Informed?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/are-you-even-trauma-informed</link>
      <description>Episode 224: Are You Even Trauma-Informed?
An interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C, on trauma-informed care, including what it looks like in practice. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about the barriers clients face when trying to find a good trauma therapist and how trauma therapists can advertise in a trauma-informed way. We also explore how COVID is impacting trauma treatment and tips for providing virtual trauma therapy.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Laura Reagan LCSW-C,
Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is an integrative trauma therapist, clinical supervisor, consultant and coach. Since 2015 she has hosted Therapy Chat Podcast, where she interviews therapists, authors, researchers and other experts about psychotherapy, trauma, attachment, creativity, mindfulness, relationships and self compassion. In 2021 she launched a new podcast entitled Trauma Chat for anyone who is curious about what trauma is, how it shows up in our lives and how to find the right kind of help for your specific experience. She is the founder of Trauma Therapist Network, a website providing information and resources on trauma and a membership community for therapists. Learn more at www.traumatherapistnetwork.com.
 In this episode we talk about:

Who Laura Reagan is and what she puts out in the world.

What therapists get wrong with trauma-informed care in regard to advertising.

How trauma therapists can be trauma-informed in their advertising.

Factors that make it difficult for clients to find a good trauma therapist.

What is trauma and what is trauma therapy?

How COVID is playing a role in trauma treatment.

Tips on how to provide effective virtual trauma therapy.

What therapists can do to support clients that do not have an ideal virtual environment.

If therapists should obtain more trauma training due to the impact of COVID.

Considerations therapists can make when deciding to specialize in trauma.

 
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      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Are You Even Trauma-Informed?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C, on trauma-informed care, including what it looks like in practice.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Episode 224: Are You Even Trauma-Informed?
An interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C, on trauma-informed care, including what it looks like in practice. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about the barriers clients face when trying to find a good trauma therapist and how trauma therapists can advertise in a trauma-informed way. We also explore how COVID is impacting trauma treatment and tips for providing virtual trauma therapy.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Laura Reagan LCSW-C,
Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is an integrative trauma therapist, clinical supervisor, consultant and coach. Since 2015 she has hosted Therapy Chat Podcast, where she interviews therapists, authors, researchers and other experts about psychotherapy, trauma, attachment, creativity, mindfulness, relationships and self compassion. In 2021 she launched a new podcast entitled Trauma Chat for anyone who is curious about what trauma is, how it shows up in our lives and how to find the right kind of help for your specific experience. She is the founder of Trauma Therapist Network, a website providing information and resources on trauma and a membership community for therapists. Learn more at www.traumatherapistnetwork.com.
 In this episode we talk about:

Who Laura Reagan is and what she puts out in the world.

What therapists get wrong with trauma-informed care in regard to advertising.

How trauma therapists can be trauma-informed in their advertising.

Factors that make it difficult for clients to find a good trauma therapist.

What is trauma and what is trauma therapy?

How COVID is playing a role in trauma treatment.

Tips on how to provide effective virtual trauma therapy.

What therapists can do to support clients that do not have an ideal virtual environment.

If therapists should obtain more trauma training due to the impact of COVID.

Considerations therapists can make when deciding to specialize in trauma.

 
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        <![CDATA[<p>Episode 224: Are You Even Trauma-Informed?</p><p>An interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C, on trauma-informed care, including what it looks like in practice. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about the barriers clients face when trying to find a good trauma therapist and how trauma therapists can advertise in a trauma-informed way. We also explore how COVID is impacting trauma treatment and tips for providing virtual trauma therapy.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p> </p><p>Interview with Laura Reagan LCSW-C,</p><p>Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is an integrative trauma therapist, clinical supervisor, consultant and coach. Since 2015 she has hosted Therapy Chat Podcast, where she interviews therapists, authors, researchers and other experts about psychotherapy, trauma, attachment, creativity, mindfulness, relationships and self compassion. In 2021 she launched a new podcast entitled Trauma Chat for anyone who is curious about what trauma is, how it shows up in our lives and how to find the right kind of help for your specific experience. She is the founder of Trauma Therapist Network, a website providing information and resources on trauma and a membership community for therapists. Learn more at www.traumatherapistnetwork.com.</p><p> In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Who Laura Reagan is and what she puts out in the world.</li>
<li>What therapists get wrong with trauma-informed care in regard to advertising.</li>
<li>How trauma therapists can be trauma-informed in their advertising.</li>
<li>Factors that make it difficult for clients to find a good trauma therapist.</li>
<li>What is trauma and what is trauma therapy?</li>
<li>How COVID is playing a role in trauma treatment.</li>
<li>Tips on how to provide effective virtual trauma therapy.</li>
<li>What therapists can do to support clients that do not have an ideal virtual environment.</li>
<li>If therapists should obtain more trauma training due to the impact of COVID.</li>
<li>Considerations therapists can make when deciding to specialize in trauma.</li>
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      <description>The Balance Between Boundaries and Humanity
An interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D, on what it means to redefine therapy and how therapists can incorporate this idea into their practice. Curt and Katie talk with Jamie about the importance of therapists being vulnerable both with clients and publicly about their own mental health struggles to reduce the mental health stigma. We also explore factors that keep therapists from being vulnerable as well as other therapeutic and cultural considerations when doing so.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D,
Dr. Jamie Marich (she/they) is a clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, TEDx speaker, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. Jamie maintains a private practice and online education operations in her home base of Warren, OH. Marich is the founder of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness approach to expressive arts therapy. Marich is the author of several books, including EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client (2011), Trauma and the Twelve Steps: A Complete Guide for Recovery Enhancement (2012), Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors, and Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015). NALGAP: The Association of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Addiction Professionals and Their Allies awarded Jamie with their esteemed President’s Award in 2015 for her work as an LGBT advocate. The EMDR International Association (EMDRIA) granted Jamie the 2019 Advocacy in EMDR Award for her using her public platform in media and in the addiction field to advance awareness about EMDR therapy. Marich is in long-term addiction recovery and is actively living with a Dissociative Disorder.
In this episode we talk about:

Who Jamie Marich is and what she puts out in the world.

The story behind #RedefineTherapy.

A look at what needs to be redefined in therapy and why.

Discussion about balancing the art and science of therapy to allow for more flexibility within our field.

Factors that contribute to clinicians rigidly adhering to evidenced based practices.

How clinicians can make changes at a societal level to redefine therapy.

The importance of clinicians being vulnerable and sharing their own struggles with mental health.

An exploration of the balance between being authentic/vulnerable with clients and setting appropriate boundaries.

Cultural considerations in redefining therapy.

What keeps therapist from being vulnerable in therapy.

Using a both/and approach to merge how therapy has been done in the past and how it will be done in the future as therapy continues to be redefined and reimagined.</description>
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      <itunes:summary>The Balance Between Boundaries and Humanity
An interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D, on what it means to redefine therapy and how therapists can incorporate this idea into their practice. Curt and Katie talk with Jamie about the importance of therapists being vulnerable both with clients and publicly about their own mental health struggles to reduce the mental health stigma. We also explore factors that keep therapists from being vulnerable as well as other therapeutic and cultural considerations when doing so.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D,
Dr. Jamie Marich (she/they) is a clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, TEDx speaker, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. Jamie maintains a private practice and online education operations in her home base of Warren, OH. Marich is the founder of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness approach to expressive arts therapy. Marich is the author of several books, including EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client (2011), Trauma and the Twelve Steps: A Complete Guide for Recovery Enhancement (2012), Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors, and Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015). NALGAP: The Association of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Addiction Professionals and Their Allies awarded Jamie with their esteemed President’s Award in 2015 for her work as an LGBT advocate. The EMDR International Association (EMDRIA) granted Jamie the 2019 Advocacy in EMDR Award for her using her public platform in media and in the addiction field to advance awareness about EMDR therapy. Marich is in long-term addiction recovery and is actively living with a Dissociative Disorder.
In this episode we talk about:

Who Jamie Marich is and what she puts out in the world.

The story behind #RedefineTherapy.

A look at what needs to be redefined in therapy and why.

Discussion about balancing the art and science of therapy to allow for more flexibility within our field.

Factors that contribute to clinicians rigidly adhering to evidenced based practices.

How clinicians can make changes at a societal level to redefine therapy.

The importance of clinicians being vulnerable and sharing their own struggles with mental health.

An exploration of the balance between being authentic/vulnerable with clients and setting appropriate boundaries.

Cultural considerations in redefining therapy.

What keeps therapist from being vulnerable in therapy.

Using a both/and approach to merge how therapy has been done in the past and how it will be done in the future as therapy continues to be redefined and reimagined.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Balance Between Boundaries and Humanity</p><p>An interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D, on what it means to redefine therapy and how therapists can incorporate this idea into their practice. Curt and Katie talk with Jamie about the importance of therapists being vulnerable both with clients and publicly about their own mental health struggles to reduce the mental health stigma. We also explore factors that keep therapists from being vulnerable as well as other therapeutic and cultural considerations when doing so.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p> </p><p>Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D,</p><p>Dr. Jamie Marich (she/they) is a clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, TEDx speaker, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. Jamie maintains a private practice and online education operations in her home base of Warren, OH. Marich is the founder of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness approach to expressive arts therapy. Marich is the author of several books, including EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client (2011), Trauma and the Twelve Steps: A Complete Guide for Recovery Enhancement (2012), Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors, and Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015). NALGAP: The Association of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Addiction Professionals and Their Allies awarded Jamie with their esteemed President’s Award in 2015 for her work as an LGBT advocate. The EMDR International Association (EMDRIA) granted Jamie the 2019 Advocacy in EMDR Award for her using her public platform in media and in the addiction field to advance awareness about EMDR therapy. Marich is in long-term addiction recovery and is actively living with a Dissociative Disorder.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Who Jamie Marich is and what she puts out in the world.</li>
<li>The story behind #RedefineTherapy.</li>
<li>A look at what needs to be redefined in therapy and why.</li>
<li>Discussion about balancing the art and science of therapy to allow for more flexibility within our field.</li>
<li>Factors that contribute to clinicians rigidly adhering to evidenced based practices.</li>
<li>How clinicians can make changes at a societal level to redefine therapy.</li>
<li>The importance of clinicians being vulnerable and sharing their own struggles with mental health.</li>
<li>An exploration of the balance between being authentic/vulnerable with clients and setting appropriate boundaries.</li>
<li>Cultural considerations in redefining therapy.</li>
<li>What keeps therapist from being vulnerable in therapy.</li>
<li>Using a both/and approach to merge how therapy has been done in the past and how it will be done in the future as therapy continues to be redefined and reimagined.</li>
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      <title>Understanding the Psychological Impacts of Leaving Afghanistan, Part 2: Afghan Americans</title>
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      <description>Understanding the Psychological Impacts of Leaving Afghanistan, Part 2: Afghan Americans
An interview with Sara Stanizai, LMFT, on how Afghan Americans are responding as the US leaves Afghanistan. Curt and Katie talk with Sara about her experience as an Afghan American therapist, looking at the misconceptions, lack of knowledge, and bias that can harm Afghan American clients. We look at clinical best practices for immigrants to the US, as well as some of the history and cultural norms of the country, the uniqueness of the experience, and the importance of finding primary sources to understand what is really going on. Sara also shares ideas for what we can do to support the Afghan people in Afghanistan and the diaspora at this time.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Sara Stanizai, LMFT
Sara Stanizai, LMFT (she/her) is a licensed therapist, clinical supervisor, and the owner of Prospect Therapy, a queer- and trans-affirming therapy practice based in Long Beach, CA, with a special focus on serving first-generation American and immigrant communities. A queer first-gen herself, Sara’s clinical and professional work focuses on serving the Afghan diaspora, specifically, fellow Afghan-American women, and bicultural communities in general. She runs a weekly Afghan-American women's group and will be offering this free of charge in the coming weeks to meet the mental health needs of her community. 
In this episode we talk about:

Sara’s experience being an Afghan American, especially since 9/11; as well as her response to the US withdrawal from Afghanistan

Afghan Americans: the displaced among the displaced

The real issues that folks in Afghanistan are facing, separate from the perspective of western cultural and the differences in the Afghan American experience

Historical context for Afghanistan and the memories of Afghan Americans that shape their views: Culture, art, progressive, beautiful, diverse

Not feeling Afghan enough or American enough

The value of hospitality and how Afghanistan will always welcome Afghan Americans

How Islam intertwines (but is not equivalent) to the Afghan culture

Modesty and values and the bias toward Muslim women who wear headscarves

Bias and misperceptions that can negatively impact clients

The complexity of Islam and how it can be perceived both as beautiful and nature-loving as well as dangerous and militant

The challenge to identity being an Afghan American

The danger of pity coming into the therapy room

The importance and nuance of educating yourself outside of the therapy room, while also encouraging the client of sharing their own experience. Not: What does this mean? Instead: What does this mean to you?

The Afghan culture requires offering 3 times before determining that the answer is no

Collectivism and the importance of family

Impact of intergenerational trauma and military involvement in a home country

Seeking out primary sources, with a focus on Afghan voices as the experience is truly unique

Avoid sensationalized headlines and images

Challenging what has been “truth” especially when looking at these sensationalized stories

Ways of healing and clinical practice that are better aligned to these clients

Prayer and healing within safe community spaces

Considerations on scheduling session around prayer time and understanding fasting

The lack of language for what is being experienced

Offering connection, even when you don’t know what to say

The focus on trying to get family and friends out of Afghanistan, constantly watching the news

Ideas for what you can do to support the people of Afghanistan

The importance of legal support, translation services, and advocacy at this time

The support group for Afghan women that Sara runs</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:summary>Understanding the Psychological Impacts of Leaving Afghanistan, Part 2: Afghan Americans
An interview with Sara Stanizai, LMFT, on how Afghan Americans are responding as the US leaves Afghanistan. Curt and Katie talk with Sara about her experience as an Afghan American therapist, looking at the misconceptions, lack of knowledge, and bias that can harm Afghan American clients. We look at clinical best practices for immigrants to the US, as well as some of the history and cultural norms of the country, the uniqueness of the experience, and the importance of finding primary sources to understand what is really going on. Sara also shares ideas for what we can do to support the Afghan people in Afghanistan and the diaspora at this time.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Sara Stanizai, LMFT
Sara Stanizai, LMFT (she/her) is a licensed therapist, clinical supervisor, and the owner of Prospect Therapy, a queer- and trans-affirming therapy practice based in Long Beach, CA, with a special focus on serving first-generation American and immigrant communities. A queer first-gen herself, Sara’s clinical and professional work focuses on serving the Afghan diaspora, specifically, fellow Afghan-American women, and bicultural communities in general. She runs a weekly Afghan-American women's group and will be offering this free of charge in the coming weeks to meet the mental health needs of her community. 
In this episode we talk about:

Sara’s experience being an Afghan American, especially since 9/11; as well as her response to the US withdrawal from Afghanistan

Afghan Americans: the displaced among the displaced

The real issues that folks in Afghanistan are facing, separate from the perspective of western cultural and the differences in the Afghan American experience

Historical context for Afghanistan and the memories of Afghan Americans that shape their views: Culture, art, progressive, beautiful, diverse

Not feeling Afghan enough or American enough

The value of hospitality and how Afghanistan will always welcome Afghan Americans

How Islam intertwines (but is not equivalent) to the Afghan culture

Modesty and values and the bias toward Muslim women who wear headscarves

Bias and misperceptions that can negatively impact clients

The complexity of Islam and how it can be perceived both as beautiful and nature-loving as well as dangerous and militant

The challenge to identity being an Afghan American

The danger of pity coming into the therapy room

The importance and nuance of educating yourself outside of the therapy room, while also encouraging the client of sharing their own experience. Not: What does this mean? Instead: What does this mean to you?

The Afghan culture requires offering 3 times before determining that the answer is no

Collectivism and the importance of family

Impact of intergenerational trauma and military involvement in a home country

Seeking out primary sources, with a focus on Afghan voices as the experience is truly unique

Avoid sensationalized headlines and images

Challenging what has been “truth” especially when looking at these sensationalized stories

Ways of healing and clinical practice that are better aligned to these clients

Prayer and healing within safe community spaces

Considerations on scheduling session around prayer time and understanding fasting

The lack of language for what is being experienced

Offering connection, even when you don’t know what to say

The focus on trying to get family and friends out of Afghanistan, constantly watching the news

Ideas for what you can do to support the people of Afghanistan

The importance of legal support, translation services, and advocacy at this time

The support group for Afghan women that Sara runs</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Understanding the Psychological Impacts of Leaving Afghanistan, Part 2: Afghan Americans</p><p>An interview with Sara Stanizai, LMFT, on how Afghan Americans are responding as the US leaves Afghanistan. Curt and Katie talk with Sara about her experience as an Afghan American therapist, looking at the misconceptions, lack of knowledge, and bias that can harm Afghan American clients. We look at clinical best practices for immigrants to the US, as well as some of the history and cultural norms of the country, the uniqueness of the experience, and the importance of finding primary sources to understand what is really going on. Sara also shares ideas for what we can do to support the Afghan people in Afghanistan and the diaspora at this time.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Sara Stanizai, LMFT</p><p>Sara Stanizai, LMFT (she/her) is a licensed therapist, clinical supervisor, and the owner of Prospect Therapy, a queer- and trans-affirming therapy practice based in Long Beach, CA, with a special focus on serving first-generation American and immigrant communities. A queer first-gen herself, Sara’s clinical and professional work focuses on serving the Afghan diaspora, specifically, fellow Afghan-American women, and bicultural communities in general. She runs a weekly Afghan-American women's group and will be offering this free of charge in the coming weeks to meet the mental health needs of her community. </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Sara’s experience being an Afghan American, especially since 9/11; as well as her response to the US withdrawal from Afghanistan</li>
<li>Afghan Americans: the displaced among the displaced</li>
<li>The real issues that folks in Afghanistan are facing, separate from the perspective of western cultural and the differences in the Afghan American experience</li>
<li>Historical context for Afghanistan and the memories of Afghan Americans that shape their views: Culture, art, progressive, beautiful, diverse</li>
<li>Not feeling Afghan enough or American enough</li>
<li>The value of hospitality and how Afghanistan will always welcome Afghan Americans</li>
<li>How Islam intertwines (but is not equivalent) to the Afghan culture</li>
<li>Modesty and values and the bias toward Muslim women who wear headscarves</li>
<li>Bias and misperceptions that can negatively impact clients</li>
<li>The complexity of Islam and how it can be perceived both as beautiful and nature-loving as well as dangerous and militant</li>
<li>The challenge to identity being an Afghan American</li>
<li>The danger of pity coming into the therapy room</li>
<li>The importance and nuance of educating yourself outside of the therapy room, while also encouraging the client of sharing their own experience. Not: What does this mean? Instead: What does this mean to you?</li>
<li>The Afghan culture requires offering 3 times before determining that the answer is no</li>
<li>Collectivism and the importance of family</li>
<li>Impact of intergenerational trauma and military involvement in a home country</li>
<li>Seeking out primary sources, with a focus on Afghan voices as the experience is truly unique</li>
<li>Avoid sensationalized headlines and images</li>
<li>Challenging what has been “truth” especially when looking at these sensationalized stories</li>
<li>Ways of healing and clinical practice that are better aligned to these clients</li>
<li>Prayer and healing within safe community spaces</li>
<li>Considerations on scheduling session around prayer time and understanding fasting</li>
<li>The lack of language for what is being experienced</li>
<li>Offering connection, even when you don’t know what to say</li>
<li>The focus on trying to get family and friends out of Afghanistan, constantly watching the news</li>
<li>Ideas for what you can do to support the people of Afghanistan</li>
<li>The importance of legal support, translation services, and advocacy at this time</li>
<li>The support group for Afghan women that Sara runs</li>
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      <description>Understanding the Psychological Impacts of Leaving Afghanistan, Part 1: Military Veterans
An interview with Rob Bates, SFC IN USA ret., MA, LMHC, on how veterans may be responding to the US leaving Afghanistan after 20 years at war. Curt and Katie talk with Rob about his service in the military and how it has impacted his view on therapy and being a therapist. He explains how he typically works with veterans, decreasing perfectionism and shifting dehumanization to self-compassion. We also look at the unique experiences of US Veterans who have served in Afghanistan and how therapists can support these individuals more effectively during this time.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Rob Bates, SFC IN USA ret., MA, LMHC, MHP, DCR
From Rob: We can all use a little help now and then. I bring a diverse skill set of life and counseling experience. I grew up with a tumultuous household in a small community. I joined the military at a young age and have lived and worked throughout the world. I have had my own family, raising children weathering many successes and failures in the process. I continue to experience counseling as a client working with the emotions of my past and present to improve my future. My personal experience in therapy enhances my great respect for my clients' vulnerability in our sessions. I am a fellow traveler in life, as my clients learn and grow so do I.
As a soldier I spent 20 years living and working throughout the conflict regions of the world as a combat infantryman. Starting as a young Airborne Ranger with the 2nd Battalion of the 75th Regiment and finishing my career as a senior leader in the 2nd Battalion 1rst Infantry Regiment of the 2nd Infantry Division. I have experienced combat in the First Iraq War, Bosnia, Kosovo, Second Iraq War, and Afghanistan. I am proud of my service and my work wherever I have been asked to go by my country.
In this episode we talk about:

Rob’s experiences in the military and afterwards that led to his becoming a therapist for vets

The different language that therapists speak from military personnel

The unique skill sets, knowledge, concerns that therapists should have or be aware of when working with military members and vets

How military members live in a zero-defect environment and how therapists can consider working with vets to decrease this mindset when returning to civilian life

The bias and judgment that can negatively impact work with folks in the military, especially around life and death decisions

The importance of military clients understanding therapist’s ability to manage secondary traumatization

Typical responses to the decision around the drawdown in Afghanistan after the peace agreement as well as the very recent chaotic evacuation

The moral injury related to walking away from Afghanistan

The relationships that were developed between US military personnel and Afghan military personnel and civilians and how “abandoning” them to the danger of the Taliban is impacting veterans and those who are evacuating

The impact of social media and commentary on perception and meaning-making

The ethical and moral decision-making that is happening at all levels

The process of dehumanization during wartime, creating psychological safety during combat

The complicated grief that is further complicated by the US leaving Afghanistan and the complex trauma and survivor’s guilt

The importance of helping veterans to develop self-compassion

Identity issues that may be challenged with the withdrawal from Afghanistan

A fuller picture of service in Afghanistan (including humanitarian missions)

What may happen when the news cycle shifts to the next big news story

Creating new purpose and meaning to mitigate tendency toward suicidality</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Part 1: Military Veterans - An interview with Rob Bates, SFC IN USA ret., MA, LMHC</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Understanding the Psychological Impacts of Leaving Afghanistan, Part 1: Military Veterans
An interview with Rob Bates, SFC IN USA ret., MA, LMHC, on how veterans may be responding to the US leaving Afghanistan after 20 years at war. Curt and Katie talk with Rob about his service in the military and how it has impacted his view on therapy and being a therapist. He explains how he typically works with veterans, decreasing perfectionism and shifting dehumanization to self-compassion. We also look at the unique experiences of US Veterans who have served in Afghanistan and how therapists can support these individuals more effectively during this time.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Rob Bates, SFC IN USA ret., MA, LMHC, MHP, DCR
From Rob: We can all use a little help now and then. I bring a diverse skill set of life and counseling experience. I grew up with a tumultuous household in a small community. I joined the military at a young age and have lived and worked throughout the world. I have had my own family, raising children weathering many successes and failures in the process. I continue to experience counseling as a client working with the emotions of my past and present to improve my future. My personal experience in therapy enhances my great respect for my clients' vulnerability in our sessions. I am a fellow traveler in life, as my clients learn and grow so do I.
As a soldier I spent 20 years living and working throughout the conflict regions of the world as a combat infantryman. Starting as a young Airborne Ranger with the 2nd Battalion of the 75th Regiment and finishing my career as a senior leader in the 2nd Battalion 1rst Infantry Regiment of the 2nd Infantry Division. I have experienced combat in the First Iraq War, Bosnia, Kosovo, Second Iraq War, and Afghanistan. I am proud of my service and my work wherever I have been asked to go by my country.
In this episode we talk about:

Rob’s experiences in the military and afterwards that led to his becoming a therapist for vets

The different language that therapists speak from military personnel

The unique skill sets, knowledge, concerns that therapists should have or be aware of when working with military members and vets

How military members live in a zero-defect environment and how therapists can consider working with vets to decrease this mindset when returning to civilian life

The bias and judgment that can negatively impact work with folks in the military, especially around life and death decisions

The importance of military clients understanding therapist’s ability to manage secondary traumatization

Typical responses to the decision around the drawdown in Afghanistan after the peace agreement as well as the very recent chaotic evacuation

The moral injury related to walking away from Afghanistan

The relationships that were developed between US military personnel and Afghan military personnel and civilians and how “abandoning” them to the danger of the Taliban is impacting veterans and those who are evacuating

The impact of social media and commentary on perception and meaning-making

The ethical and moral decision-making that is happening at all levels

The process of dehumanization during wartime, creating psychological safety during combat

The complicated grief that is further complicated by the US leaving Afghanistan and the complex trauma and survivor’s guilt

The importance of helping veterans to develop self-compassion

Identity issues that may be challenged with the withdrawal from Afghanistan

A fuller picture of service in Afghanistan (including humanitarian missions)

What may happen when the news cycle shifts to the next big news story

Creating new purpose and meaning to mitigate tendency toward suicidality</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Understanding the Psychological Impacts of Leaving Afghanistan, Part 1: Military Veterans</p><p>An interview with Rob Bates, SFC IN USA ret., MA, LMHC, on how veterans may be responding to the US leaving Afghanistan after 20 years at war. Curt and Katie talk with Rob about his service in the military and how it has impacted his view on therapy and being a therapist. He explains how he typically works with veterans, decreasing perfectionism and shifting dehumanization to self-compassion. We also look at the unique experiences of US Veterans who have served in Afghanistan and how therapists can support these individuals more effectively during this time.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Rob Bates, SFC IN USA ret., MA, LMHC, MHP, DCR</p><p>From Rob: We can all use a little help now and then. I bring a diverse skill set of life and counseling experience. I grew up with a tumultuous household in a small community. I joined the military at a young age and have lived and worked throughout the world. I have had my own family, raising children weathering many successes and failures in the process. I continue to experience counseling as a client working with the emotions of my past and present to improve my future. My personal experience in therapy enhances my great respect for my clients' vulnerability in our sessions. I am a fellow traveler in life, as my clients learn and grow so do I.</p><p>As a soldier I spent 20 years living and working throughout the conflict regions of the world as a combat infantryman. Starting as a young Airborne Ranger with the 2nd Battalion of the 75th Regiment and finishing my career as a senior leader in the 2nd Battalion 1rst Infantry Regiment of the 2nd Infantry Division. I have experienced combat in the First Iraq War, Bosnia, Kosovo, Second Iraq War, and Afghanistan. I am proud of my service and my work wherever I have been asked to go by my country.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Rob’s experiences in the military and afterwards that led to his becoming a therapist for vets</li>
<li>The different language that therapists speak from military personnel</li>
<li>The unique skill sets, knowledge, concerns that therapists should have or be aware of when working with military members and vets</li>
<li>How military members live in a zero-defect environment and how therapists can consider working with vets to decrease this mindset when returning to civilian life</li>
<li>The bias and judgment that can negatively impact work with folks in the military, especially around life and death decisions</li>
<li>The importance of military clients understanding therapist’s ability to manage secondary traumatization</li>
<li>Typical responses to the decision around the drawdown in Afghanistan after the peace agreement as well as the very recent chaotic evacuation</li>
<li>The moral injury related to walking away from Afghanistan</li>
<li>The relationships that were developed between US military personnel and Afghan military personnel and civilians and how “abandoning” them to the danger of the Taliban is impacting veterans and those who are evacuating</li>
<li>The impact of social media and commentary on perception and meaning-making</li>
<li>The ethical and moral decision-making that is happening at all levels</li>
<li>The process of dehumanization during wartime, creating psychological safety during combat</li>
<li>The complicated grief that is further complicated by the US leaving Afghanistan and the complex trauma and survivor’s guilt</li>
<li>The importance of helping veterans to develop self-compassion</li>
<li>Identity issues that may be challenged with the withdrawal from Afghanistan</li>
<li>A fuller picture of service in Afghanistan (including humanitarian missions)</li>
<li>What may happen when the news cycle shifts to the next big news story</li>
<li>Creating new purpose and meaning to mitigate tendency toward suicidality</li>
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      <title>What the Grief Just Happened?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/what-the-grief-just-happened</link>
      <description>What the Grief Just Happened?
An interview with Sonya Lott, Ph.D, on how COVID has impacted our experience of grief. Curt and Katie talk with Sonya about the types of grief people are experiencing and how people have been coping thus far. We explore what prolonged grief is and the risk factors that contribute to it as well as tips to support clients. We also talk about the need for therapists to be informed on grief processes and the importance of meeting clients where they are. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Sonya Lott, Ph.D, Founder of CEMPSYCH, LLC
Sonya Lott has a Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from Temple University. She been licensed as a psychologist in PA since 1991. Since 2020, she has been licensed to provide telepsychology in more than 16 states through the Association of State and Provincial Psychology Board’s (ASPPB) PSYPACT program. She maintains a private online practice devoted to helping individuals transform their experiences of traumatic and prolonged grief. She is trained in Complicated Grief Therapy (CGT), an evidence-based treatment for prolonged grief and is also a certified brainspotting practitioner. She is also the founder of CEMPSYCH, LLC, which offers continuing education in multicultural psychology to mental health professionals. CEMPSYCH, LLC is approved as a sponsor by the APA to provide continuing education to psychologists.
 
In this episode we talk about:

Who Sonya Lott is and what she puts out in the world.

Looking at how COVID has impacted our experience of grief (i.e., death and non-death losses).

How the uncertainty COVID created has added to our difficulty in acknowledging losses in our lives.

Discussion of how clinicians can help their clients (and themselves) recognize and process their grief.

Examining how losses to previous COVID, attachment styles, and other risk factors have influenced the way people manage their grief.

Defining prolonged grief and recognizing when it is a problem, while making cultural considerations.

Factors that have contributed to people developing prolonged grief (e.g., isolation, previous mental health challenges, etc).

What clinicians can expect to see from clients as we move into the next phase of our lives.

The need for clinicians to be able to differentiate from grief, prolonged grief, and major depression and address each accordingly.

Recognizing that the grief people are experiencing is inherently traumatic and integrating this into treatment.

Tips for clinicians to help clients who are stuck.

Being a grief informed therapist (knowing there are no stages to grief).

The importance of meeting people where they at to help them process their grief.

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Dr. Sonya Lott Website
CEMPSYCH LLC
Relevant Episodes:
 Death, Dying, and Grief
 Compassion Fatigue
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What the Grief Just Happened?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Sonya Lott, Ph.D, on how COVID has impacted our experience of grief. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>What the Grief Just Happened?
An interview with Sonya Lott, Ph.D, on how COVID has impacted our experience of grief. Curt and Katie talk with Sonya about the types of grief people are experiencing and how people have been coping thus far. We explore what prolonged grief is and the risk factors that contribute to it as well as tips to support clients. We also talk about the need for therapists to be informed on grief processes and the importance of meeting clients where they are. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Sonya Lott, Ph.D, Founder of CEMPSYCH, LLC
Sonya Lott has a Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from Temple University. She been licensed as a psychologist in PA since 1991. Since 2020, she has been licensed to provide telepsychology in more than 16 states through the Association of State and Provincial Psychology Board’s (ASPPB) PSYPACT program. She maintains a private online practice devoted to helping individuals transform their experiences of traumatic and prolonged grief. She is trained in Complicated Grief Therapy (CGT), an evidence-based treatment for prolonged grief and is also a certified brainspotting practitioner. She is also the founder of CEMPSYCH, LLC, which offers continuing education in multicultural psychology to mental health professionals. CEMPSYCH, LLC is approved as a sponsor by the APA to provide continuing education to psychologists.
 
In this episode we talk about:

Who Sonya Lott is and what she puts out in the world.

Looking at how COVID has impacted our experience of grief (i.e., death and non-death losses).

How the uncertainty COVID created has added to our difficulty in acknowledging losses in our lives.

Discussion of how clinicians can help their clients (and themselves) recognize and process their grief.

Examining how losses to previous COVID, attachment styles, and other risk factors have influenced the way people manage their grief.

Defining prolonged grief and recognizing when it is a problem, while making cultural considerations.

Factors that have contributed to people developing prolonged grief (e.g., isolation, previous mental health challenges, etc).

What clinicians can expect to see from clients as we move into the next phase of our lives.

The need for clinicians to be able to differentiate from grief, prolonged grief, and major depression and address each accordingly.

Recognizing that the grief people are experiencing is inherently traumatic and integrating this into treatment.

Tips for clinicians to help clients who are stuck.

Being a grief informed therapist (knowing there are no stages to grief).

The importance of meeting people where they at to help them process their grief.

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Dr. Sonya Lott Website
CEMPSYCH LLC
Relevant Episodes:
 Death, Dying, and Grief
 Compassion Fatigue
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What the Grief Just Happened?</p><p>An interview with Sonya Lott, Ph.D, on how COVID has impacted our experience of grief. Curt and Katie talk with Sonya about the types of grief people are experiencing and how people have been coping thus far. We explore what prolonged grief is and the risk factors that contribute to it as well as tips to support clients. We also talk about the need for therapists to be informed on grief processes and the importance of meeting clients where they are. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p> </p><p>Interview with Sonya Lott, Ph.D, Founder of CEMPSYCH, LLC</p><p>Sonya Lott has a Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from Temple University. She been licensed as a psychologist in PA since 1991. Since 2020, she has been licensed to provide telepsychology in more than 16 states through the Association of State and Provincial Psychology Board’s (ASPPB) PSYPACT program. She maintains a private online practice devoted to helping individuals transform their experiences of traumatic and prolonged grief. She is trained in Complicated Grief Therapy (CGT), an evidence-based treatment for prolonged grief and is also a certified brainspotting practitioner. She is also the founder of CEMPSYCH, LLC, which offers continuing education in multicultural psychology to mental health professionals. CEMPSYCH, LLC is approved as a sponsor by the APA to provide continuing education to psychologists.</p><p> </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Who Sonya Lott is and what she puts out in the world.</li>
<li>Looking at how COVID has impacted our experience of grief (i.e., death and non-death losses).</li>
<li>How the uncertainty COVID created has added to our difficulty in acknowledging losses in our lives.</li>
<li>Discussion of how clinicians can help their clients (and themselves) recognize and process their grief.</li>
<li>Examining how losses to previous COVID, attachment styles, and other risk factors have influenced the way people manage their grief.</li>
<li>Defining prolonged grief and recognizing when it is a problem, while making cultural considerations.</li>
<li>Factors that have contributed to people developing prolonged grief (e.g., isolation, previous mental health challenges, etc).</li>
<li>What clinicians can expect to see from clients as we move into the next phase of our lives.</li>
<li>The need for clinicians to be able to differentiate from grief, prolonged grief, and major depression and address each accordingly.</li>
<li>Recognizing that the grief people are experiencing is inherently traumatic and integrating this into treatment.</li>
<li>Tips for clinicians to help clients who are stuck.</li>
<li>Being a grief informed therapist (knowing there are no stages to grief).</li>
<li>The importance of meeting people where they at to help them process their grief.</li>
</ul><p> Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://drsonyalott.com/">Dr. Sonya Lott Website</a></p><p>CEMPSYCH <a href="https://cempsych.com/">LLC</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/death-dying-and-grief/"> Death, Dying, and Grief</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/compassion-fatigue/"> Compassion Fatigue</a></p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 219: Asian American Mental Health</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/episode-219-asian-american-mental-health</link>
      <description>Asian American Mental Health
An interview with Linda Yoon, LCSW, on specific mental health needs of Asian American clients. Curt and Katie talk with Linda about what therapists often get wrong when working with Asian clients and colleagues. We explore the model minority myth, fetishization of Asian women, and the complexity of the heterogeneous group that falls under the term “Asian American.” We also talk about steps therapists can take to better support Asian American people. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Linda Yoon, LCSW, Founder and Co-Director of Yellow Chair Collective
Linda is the founder and the co-director of Yellow Chair Collective, a multicultural psychotherapy group with a special focus on Asian mental health. Linda has over 10 years of experience in the field of social work and mental health. Before starting Yellow Chair Collective, she worked in residential and outpatient mental health clinics, domestic and intimate relationship violence programs, and affordable and inclusive housing services, often serving Asian and Asian Pacific Islanders and the immigrant/refugee population.
Linda is passionate about community outreach and provides workshops on social and mental health topics including diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), cultural sensitivity, parenting, self and community care, family violence, refugee/immigrant issues, and Asian American mental health. Her work has been featured in the LA Times, KXN, CBS Radio, KPBS, Al Dia Politics, and Crushing the Myth. Linda also has been a panelist for KQED Forum, NPR Podcast, and USC Center for Health Journalism speaking about Asian Mental Health needs during the pandemic and anti-Asian hate crime surge. Linda is also an active committee member of NASW-CA Asian Pacific Islander Council - Southern California.
In this episode we talk about:

Why Asian American Mental Health is so important

What therapists are getting wrong when working with Asian clients and colleagues

The Model Minority myth, bias and stereotypes

The lack of understanding of who Asian Americans are (and the heterogeneity of this group – there’s over 20 Asian countries with different languages and characteristics)

Self-gaslighting, dismissal of Asian American racism experiences

Accurate assessment and important questions to ask

Looking at different immigration stories, languages spoken, what culture they relate to if their families come from more than one culture

The barriers Asian Americans face in seeking mental health treatment

The different perspective on mental health and the understanding of body and mind

Collectivism and the impact on an individual seeking mental health services

How different generations may perceive mental health treatment

Culturally and linguistically appropriate services

The potential missing data due to Asian Americans not reporting to or trusting the census

The current spotlight on Asian hate and racism, and the history of violence against Asian people

Common microaggressions

The importance of educating oneself and avoiding assumptions, the value of consultation

Ways to help with antiracism relevant to Asian Americans

Questions to ask yourself to support Asian clients and colleagues</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Episode 219: Asian American Mental Health</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Linda Yoon, LCSW, on specific mental health needs of Asian American clients. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Asian American Mental Health
An interview with Linda Yoon, LCSW, on specific mental health needs of Asian American clients. Curt and Katie talk with Linda about what therapists often get wrong when working with Asian clients and colleagues. We explore the model minority myth, fetishization of Asian women, and the complexity of the heterogeneous group that falls under the term “Asian American.” We also talk about steps therapists can take to better support Asian American people. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Linda Yoon, LCSW, Founder and Co-Director of Yellow Chair Collective
Linda is the founder and the co-director of Yellow Chair Collective, a multicultural psychotherapy group with a special focus on Asian mental health. Linda has over 10 years of experience in the field of social work and mental health. Before starting Yellow Chair Collective, she worked in residential and outpatient mental health clinics, domestic and intimate relationship violence programs, and affordable and inclusive housing services, often serving Asian and Asian Pacific Islanders and the immigrant/refugee population.
Linda is passionate about community outreach and provides workshops on social and mental health topics including diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), cultural sensitivity, parenting, self and community care, family violence, refugee/immigrant issues, and Asian American mental health. Her work has been featured in the LA Times, KXN, CBS Radio, KPBS, Al Dia Politics, and Crushing the Myth. Linda also has been a panelist for KQED Forum, NPR Podcast, and USC Center for Health Journalism speaking about Asian Mental Health needs during the pandemic and anti-Asian hate crime surge. Linda is also an active committee member of NASW-CA Asian Pacific Islander Council - Southern California.
In this episode we talk about:

Why Asian American Mental Health is so important

What therapists are getting wrong when working with Asian clients and colleagues

The Model Minority myth, bias and stereotypes

The lack of understanding of who Asian Americans are (and the heterogeneity of this group – there’s over 20 Asian countries with different languages and characteristics)

Self-gaslighting, dismissal of Asian American racism experiences

Accurate assessment and important questions to ask

Looking at different immigration stories, languages spoken, what culture they relate to if their families come from more than one culture

The barriers Asian Americans face in seeking mental health treatment

The different perspective on mental health and the understanding of body and mind

Collectivism and the impact on an individual seeking mental health services

How different generations may perceive mental health treatment

Culturally and linguistically appropriate services

The potential missing data due to Asian Americans not reporting to or trusting the census

The current spotlight on Asian hate and racism, and the history of violence against Asian people

Common microaggressions

The importance of educating oneself and avoiding assumptions, the value of consultation

Ways to help with antiracism relevant to Asian Americans

Questions to ask yourself to support Asian clients and colleagues</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Asian American Mental Health</p><p>An interview with Linda Yoon, LCSW, on specific mental health needs of Asian American clients. Curt and Katie talk with Linda about what therapists often get wrong when working with Asian clients and colleagues. We explore the model minority myth, fetishization of Asian women, and the complexity of the heterogeneous group that falls under the term “Asian American.” We also talk about steps therapists can take to better support Asian American people. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Linda Yoon, LCSW, Founder and Co-Director of Yellow Chair Collective</p><p>Linda is the founder and the co-director of Yellow Chair Collective, a multicultural psychotherapy group with a special focus on Asian mental health. Linda has over 10 years of experience in the field of social work and mental health. Before starting Yellow Chair Collective, she worked in residential and outpatient mental health clinics, domestic and intimate relationship violence programs, and affordable and inclusive housing services, often serving Asian and Asian Pacific Islanders and the immigrant/refugee population.</p><p>Linda is passionate about community outreach and provides workshops on social and mental health topics including diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), cultural sensitivity, parenting, self and community care, family violence, refugee/immigrant issues, and Asian American mental health. Her work has been featured in the LA Times, KXN, CBS Radio, KPBS, Al Dia Politics, and Crushing the Myth. Linda also has been a panelist for KQED Forum, NPR Podcast, and USC Center for Health Journalism speaking about Asian Mental Health needs during the pandemic and anti-Asian hate crime surge. Linda is also an active committee member of NASW-CA Asian Pacific Islander Council - Southern California.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Why Asian American Mental Health is so important</li>
<li>What therapists are getting wrong when working with Asian clients and colleagues</li>
<li>The Model Minority myth, bias and stereotypes</li>
<li>The lack of understanding of who Asian Americans are (and the heterogeneity of this group – there’s over 20 Asian countries with different languages and characteristics)</li>
<li>Self-gaslighting, dismissal of Asian American racism experiences</li>
<li>Accurate assessment and important questions to ask</li>
<li>Looking at different immigration stories, languages spoken, what culture they relate to if their families come from more than one culture</li>
<li>The barriers Asian Americans face in seeking mental health treatment</li>
<li>The different perspective on mental health and the understanding of body and mind</li>
<li>Collectivism and the impact on an individual seeking mental health services</li>
<li>How different generations may perceive mental health treatment</li>
<li>Culturally and linguistically appropriate services</li>
<li>The potential missing data due to Asian Americans not reporting to or trusting the census</li>
<li>The current spotlight on Asian hate and racism, and the history of violence against Asian people</li>
<li>Common microaggressions</li>
<li>The importance of educating oneself and avoiding assumptions, the value of consultation</li>
<li>Ways to help with antiracism relevant to Asian Americans</li>
<li>Questions to ask yourself to support Asian clients and colleagues</li>
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      <title>How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically)</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/how-to-fire-your-clients-ethically</link>
      <description>How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically)
Curt and Katie chat about how to appropriately terminate with clients when icky situations arise. We explore how therapists can develop an ethical decision-making process to protect themselves against possible complaints to ethics boards. We also talk about how privilege plays a role in icky terminations and how therapists can work to balance their safety and self-care with their responsibilities.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How ethics are discussed in social media groups (ethical concerns vs. I don’t like this)

When we can terminate with clients, why can we do it, when we cannot terminate with clients, and what our responsibilities are in these situations.

How therapist’s personal feelings can influence premature terminations and the problems this can lead to (e.g., client abandonment, continuity of care).

Feelings that arise for both the therapist and client when icky terminations happen.

How ethics committees think about complaints and disciplinary actions.

Developing an ethical decision-making process that demonstrates professionalism.

Explore how therapists are held to a higher standard than the general public.

Discuss how privilege (or lack thereof) impacts perceptions professionalism.

How to maintain professional standards when your safety is at risk.

Developing plans for possible icky terminations.

We look at how many therapists are actually reported to ethics boards and how this information is unhelpful.

Managing racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. comments in session and taking care of yourself.

Explore how the structure of ethics committees create barriers to therapists being their authentic self, while also needing these committees to protect the field.

Balancing therapist safety and self-care with therapist responsibilities.

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 CPH Article: Duty to the Patient – Termination of Treatment and Understanding Your Patient
Relevant Episodes:
 Therapist Safety
 Managing Vicarious Trauma
 Bad Business Practices
 Ending Therapy
 Noteworthy Documentation
 Irrational Ethics
 That’s Unethical
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how to appropriately terminate with clients when icky situations arise.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically)
Curt and Katie chat about how to appropriately terminate with clients when icky situations arise. We explore how therapists can develop an ethical decision-making process to protect themselves against possible complaints to ethics boards. We also talk about how privilege plays a role in icky terminations and how therapists can work to balance their safety and self-care with their responsibilities.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How ethics are discussed in social media groups (ethical concerns vs. I don’t like this)

When we can terminate with clients, why can we do it, when we cannot terminate with clients, and what our responsibilities are in these situations.

How therapist’s personal feelings can influence premature terminations and the problems this can lead to (e.g., client abandonment, continuity of care).

Feelings that arise for both the therapist and client when icky terminations happen.

How ethics committees think about complaints and disciplinary actions.

Developing an ethical decision-making process that demonstrates professionalism.

Explore how therapists are held to a higher standard than the general public.

Discuss how privilege (or lack thereof) impacts perceptions professionalism.

How to maintain professional standards when your safety is at risk.

Developing plans for possible icky terminations.

We look at how many therapists are actually reported to ethics boards and how this information is unhelpful.

Managing racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. comments in session and taking care of yourself.

Explore how the structure of ethics committees create barriers to therapists being their authentic self, while also needing these committees to protect the field.

Balancing therapist safety and self-care with therapist responsibilities.

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 CPH Article: Duty to the Patient – Termination of Treatment and Understanding Your Patient
Relevant Episodes:
 Therapist Safety
 Managing Vicarious Trauma
 Bad Business Practices
 Ending Therapy
 Noteworthy Documentation
 Irrational Ethics
 That’s Unethical
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>How to Fire Your Clients (Ethically)</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how to appropriately terminate with clients when icky situations arise. We explore how therapists can develop an ethical decision-making process to protect themselves against possible complaints to ethics boards. We also talk about how privilege plays a role in icky terminations and how therapists can work to balance their safety and self-care with their responsibilities.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How ethics are discussed in social media groups (ethical concerns vs. I don’t like this)</li>
<li>When we can terminate with clients, why can we do it, when we cannot terminate with clients, and what our responsibilities are in these situations.</li>
<li>How therapist’s personal feelings can influence premature terminations and the problems this can lead to (e.g., client abandonment, continuity of care).</li>
<li>Feelings that arise for both the therapist and client when icky terminations happen.</li>
<li>How ethics committees think about complaints and disciplinary actions.</li>
<li>Developing an ethical decision-making process that demonstrates professionalism.</li>
<li>Explore how therapists are held to a higher standard than the general public.</li>
<li>Discuss how privilege (or lack thereof) impacts perceptions professionalism.</li>
<li>How to maintain professional standards when your safety is at risk.</li>
<li>Developing plans for possible icky terminations.</li>
<li>We look at how many therapists are actually reported to ethics boards and how this information is unhelpful.</li>
<li>Managing racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. comments in session and taking care of yourself.</li>
<li>Explore how the structure of ethics committees create barriers to therapists being their authentic self, while also needing these committees to protect the field.</li>
<li>Balancing therapist safety and self-care with therapist responsibilities.</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.cphins.com/termination-and-referral-when-does-the-duty-to-the-patient-end/"> CPH Article: Duty to the Patient – Termination of Treatment and Understanding Your Patient</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapist-safety/"> Therapist Safety</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/managing-vicarious-trauma/"> Managing Vicarious Trauma</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/bad-business-practices/"> Bad Business Practices</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/ending-therapy/"> Ending Therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/noteworthy-documentation/"> Noteworthy Documentation</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/irrational-ethics/"> Irrational Ethics</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/thats-unethical/"> That’s Unethical</a></p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021</a></p><p> Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How to Overcome Impostor Syndrome to Leave Your Agency Job</title>
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      <description>How to Overcome Impostor Syndrome to Leave Your Agency Job
An interview with Patrick Casale, LCMHC, LCAS, about how impostor syndrome and other barriers can get in the way of therapists moving forward into private practice. Curt and Katie talk with Patrick about what it takes to make the leap from negative work situations and become a “therapist wizard.” We also look at lots of creative ideas on how to step into fear to confront impostor syndrome as well as how to build a private practice that’s right for you. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Patrick Casale, MA, LCMHC, LCAS
Patrick currently works as a private practice coach and strategist and private practice owner. He lives in Asheville NC with his wife Ariel and two dogs, Hudson and Hazel. He’s worked in the helping profession since 2008. In the last 12 years, he’s worked in several different arenas in community mental health. From a qualified professional to the program director, he found himself constantly being promoted to middle management roles where he was able to see both sides of the coin. It was hard watching his staff work so hard for so little while trying to appease the powers that be who typically were out of touch with day-to-day operations. He has worked full time as a private practice therapist for the last three years. In those three years, he’s traveled to 8 different countries, taken lots of vacations, grown his business to a point where it feels easy and routine, and has helped other therapists in the area do the same.
In this episode we talk about:

The ideas around impostor syndrome and how it impacts therapists

Common mistakes therapists make when moving from community mental health to private practice

How therapists can consistently negatively evaluate their own competence

Entrepreneurial anxiety and missteps based on lack of confidence

The early messages and attachment issues that impact self-esteem, perception of competence

Embracing fear to move forward, accepting that mistakes are inevitable

Vulnerability and authenticity, perfectionism

Taking power back through making impostor syndrome playful

Looking at how different identities are impacted by “impostor syndrome”

Conflicting and negative messages that therapists get

Entitlement and pessimism from more seasoned clinicians

Abundance versus scarcity mindset

How to become a therapist wizard

Moving from an agency to private practice

The danger of staying in an agency when you’re at the point of no return

The lack of specific numbers or exact instructions on when you should make the leap

The importance of networking when building a private practice

Ideas for overcoming anxiety and still move forward on starting your private practice

The importance of having an exit plan and steps in place

Making decisions on what is needed versus what is desired, what values can be considered

The goals that are possible once you move into your own private practice

Creativity in how you set up your practice

Understanding what you need to set yourself up for success

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
https://casalecoaching.com/
Patrick’s All Things Private Practice Facebook group</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How to Overcome Impostor Syndrome to Leave Your Agency Job: An interview with Patrick Casale</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Patrick Casale, LCMHC, LCAS</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>How to Overcome Impostor Syndrome to Leave Your Agency Job
An interview with Patrick Casale, LCMHC, LCAS, about how impostor syndrome and other barriers can get in the way of therapists moving forward into private practice. Curt and Katie talk with Patrick about what it takes to make the leap from negative work situations and become a “therapist wizard.” We also look at lots of creative ideas on how to step into fear to confront impostor syndrome as well as how to build a private practice that’s right for you. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Patrick Casale, MA, LCMHC, LCAS
Patrick currently works as a private practice coach and strategist and private practice owner. He lives in Asheville NC with his wife Ariel and two dogs, Hudson and Hazel. He’s worked in the helping profession since 2008. In the last 12 years, he’s worked in several different arenas in community mental health. From a qualified professional to the program director, he found himself constantly being promoted to middle management roles where he was able to see both sides of the coin. It was hard watching his staff work so hard for so little while trying to appease the powers that be who typically were out of touch with day-to-day operations. He has worked full time as a private practice therapist for the last three years. In those three years, he’s traveled to 8 different countries, taken lots of vacations, grown his business to a point where it feels easy and routine, and has helped other therapists in the area do the same.
In this episode we talk about:

The ideas around impostor syndrome and how it impacts therapists

Common mistakes therapists make when moving from community mental health to private practice

How therapists can consistently negatively evaluate their own competence

Entrepreneurial anxiety and missteps based on lack of confidence

The early messages and attachment issues that impact self-esteem, perception of competence

Embracing fear to move forward, accepting that mistakes are inevitable

Vulnerability and authenticity, perfectionism

Taking power back through making impostor syndrome playful

Looking at how different identities are impacted by “impostor syndrome”

Conflicting and negative messages that therapists get

Entitlement and pessimism from more seasoned clinicians

Abundance versus scarcity mindset

How to become a therapist wizard

Moving from an agency to private practice

The danger of staying in an agency when you’re at the point of no return

The lack of specific numbers or exact instructions on when you should make the leap

The importance of networking when building a private practice

Ideas for overcoming anxiety and still move forward on starting your private practice

The importance of having an exit plan and steps in place

Making decisions on what is needed versus what is desired, what values can be considered

The goals that are possible once you move into your own private practice

Creativity in how you set up your practice

Understanding what you need to set yourself up for success

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
https://casalecoaching.com/
Patrick’s All Things Private Practice Facebook group</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>How to Overcome Impostor Syndrome to Leave Your Agency Job</p><p>An interview with Patrick Casale, LCMHC, LCAS, about how impostor syndrome and other barriers can get in the way of therapists moving forward into private practice. Curt and Katie talk with Patrick about what it takes to make the leap from negative work situations and become a “therapist wizard.” We also look at lots of creative ideas on how to step into fear to confront impostor syndrome as well as how to build a private practice that’s right for you. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Patrick Casale, MA, LCMHC, LCAS</p><p>Patrick currently works as a private practice coach and strategist and private practice owner. He lives in Asheville NC with his wife Ariel and two dogs, Hudson and Hazel. He’s worked in the helping profession since 2008. In the last 12 years, he’s worked in several different arenas in community mental health. From a qualified professional to the program director, he found himself constantly being promoted to middle management roles where he was able to see both sides of the coin. It was hard watching his staff work so hard for so little while trying to appease the powers that be who typically were out of touch with day-to-day operations. He has worked full time as a private practice therapist for the last three years. In those three years, he’s traveled to 8 different countries, taken lots of vacations, grown his business to a point where it feels easy and routine, and has helped other therapists in the area do the same.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The ideas around impostor syndrome and how it impacts therapists</li>
<li>Common mistakes therapists make when moving from community mental health to private practice</li>
<li>How therapists can consistently negatively evaluate their own competence</li>
<li>Entrepreneurial anxiety and missteps based on lack of confidence</li>
<li>The early messages and attachment issues that impact self-esteem, perception of competence</li>
<li>Embracing fear to move forward, accepting that mistakes are inevitable</li>
<li>Vulnerability and authenticity, perfectionism</li>
<li>Taking power back through making impostor syndrome playful</li>
<li>Looking at how different identities are impacted by “impostor syndrome”</li>
<li>Conflicting and negative messages that therapists get</li>
<li>Entitlement and pessimism from more seasoned clinicians</li>
<li>Abundance versus scarcity mindset</li>
<li>How to become a therapist wizard</li>
<li>Moving from an agency to private practice</li>
<li>The danger of staying in an agency when you’re at the point of no return</li>
<li>The lack of specific numbers or exact instructions on when you should make the leap</li>
<li>The importance of networking when building a private practice</li>
<li>Ideas for overcoming anxiety and still move forward on starting your private practice</li>
<li>The importance of having an exit plan and steps in place</li>
<li>Making decisions on what is needed versus what is desired, what values can be considered</li>
<li>The goals that are possible once you move into your own private practice</li>
<li>Creativity in how you set up your practice</li>
<li>Understanding what you need to set yourself up for success</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://casalecoaching.com/">https://casalecoaching.com/</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/privatepracticebuilding">Patrick’s All Things Private Practice Facebook group</a></p>]]>
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      <title>An Incomplete List of Everything Wrong with Therapist Education</title>
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      <description>An Incomplete List of Everything Wrong with Therapist Education
An interview with Diane Gehart, LMFT, on what works in therapy and where the field is headed. Curt and Katie talk with Diane about the overwhelming amount of information new therapists must learn in school and how this impacts their confidence. We also explore how the field is moving towards synthesizing theories and how this will impact future clinicians.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Diane Gehart, LMFT
Diane Gehart, Ph.D. is Professor in the Marriage and Family Therapy and Counseling Programs at California State University, Northridge and has a private practice in Agoura Hills, California. She has authored several professional books including Mindfulness for Chocolate Lovers: A Lighthearted Way to Stress Less and Savor More Each Day, Mindfulness and Acceptance in Couple and Family Therapy Mastering Competencies in Family Therapy, Theory and Treatment Planning in Counseling and Psychotherapy.
In this episode we talk about:

Who Diane Gehart is and what she has (and continues) to contribute to the field.

Diane discusses what is wrong with therapist education and how it impacts newer therapists.

How we can help students feel more confident when they enter the field, while still providing a good education.

The abundance of theories students need to learn in graduate school and how the future of the field will be synthesis of theories.

How the synthesis of theories will impact testing for licensure.

Diane discusses how focusing on client outcomes and finding quality training can support confidence in new clinicians.

How cultural considerations can be included in the synthesis of theories.

Using the client’s reality/perspective to make therapy work, rather than focusing on interventions.

Explore how different parts of the field (e.g., clinicians, researchers, educators) contribute to what is wrong with therapist education.

The need for synthesized information to be more widely available to make more competent therapists.

Balancing helping clinicians to feel more confident while also encouraging them to be self-motivated to learn.

What are the best things clinicians can do right now to improve their confidence?

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Diane Gehart
Therapy That Works
Mastering Competencies
Mindfulness at Our Schools
Diane on YouTube</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>An Incomplete List of Everything Wrong with Therapist Education: An Interview Diane Gehart</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Diane Gehart, LMFT, on what works in therapy and where the field is headed. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An Incomplete List of Everything Wrong with Therapist Education
An interview with Diane Gehart, LMFT, on what works in therapy and where the field is headed. Curt and Katie talk with Diane about the overwhelming amount of information new therapists must learn in school and how this impacts their confidence. We also explore how the field is moving towards synthesizing theories and how this will impact future clinicians.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Diane Gehart, LMFT
Diane Gehart, Ph.D. is Professor in the Marriage and Family Therapy and Counseling Programs at California State University, Northridge and has a private practice in Agoura Hills, California. She has authored several professional books including Mindfulness for Chocolate Lovers: A Lighthearted Way to Stress Less and Savor More Each Day, Mindfulness and Acceptance in Couple and Family Therapy Mastering Competencies in Family Therapy, Theory and Treatment Planning in Counseling and Psychotherapy.
In this episode we talk about:

Who Diane Gehart is and what she has (and continues) to contribute to the field.

Diane discusses what is wrong with therapist education and how it impacts newer therapists.

How we can help students feel more confident when they enter the field, while still providing a good education.

The abundance of theories students need to learn in graduate school and how the future of the field will be synthesis of theories.

How the synthesis of theories will impact testing for licensure.

Diane discusses how focusing on client outcomes and finding quality training can support confidence in new clinicians.

How cultural considerations can be included in the synthesis of theories.

Using the client’s reality/perspective to make therapy work, rather than focusing on interventions.

Explore how different parts of the field (e.g., clinicians, researchers, educators) contribute to what is wrong with therapist education.

The need for synthesized information to be more widely available to make more competent therapists.

Balancing helping clinicians to feel more confident while also encouraging them to be self-motivated to learn.

What are the best things clinicians can do right now to improve their confidence?

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Diane Gehart
Therapy That Works
Mastering Competencies
Mindfulness at Our Schools
Diane on YouTube</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An Incomplete List of Everything Wrong with Therapist Education</p><p>An interview with Diane Gehart, LMFT, on what works in therapy and where the field is headed. Curt and Katie talk with Diane about the overwhelming amount of information new therapists must learn in school and how this impacts their confidence. We also explore how the field is moving towards synthesizing theories and how this will impact future clinicians.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p> </p><p>Interview with Diane Gehart, LMFT</p><p>Diane Gehart, Ph.D. is Professor in the Marriage and Family Therapy and Counseling Programs at California State University, Northridge and has a private practice in Agoura Hills, California. She has authored several professional books including Mindfulness for Chocolate Lovers: A Lighthearted Way to Stress Less and Savor More Each Day, Mindfulness and Acceptance in Couple and Family Therapy Mastering Competencies in Family Therapy, Theory and Treatment Planning in Counseling and Psychotherapy.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Who Diane Gehart is and what she has (and continues) to contribute to the field.</li>
<li>Diane discusses what is wrong with therapist education and how it impacts newer therapists.</li>
<li>How we can help students feel more confident when they enter the field, while still providing a good education.</li>
<li>The abundance of theories students need to learn in graduate school and how the future of the field will be synthesis of theories.</li>
<li>How the synthesis of theories will impact testing for licensure.</li>
<li>Diane discusses how focusing on client outcomes and finding quality training can support confidence in new clinicians.</li>
<li>How cultural considerations can be included in the synthesis of theories.</li>
<li>Using the client’s reality/perspective to make therapy work, rather than focusing on interventions.</li>
<li>Explore how different parts of the field (e.g., clinicians, researchers, educators) contribute to what is wrong with therapist education.</li>
<li>The need for synthesized information to be more widely available to make more competent therapists.</li>
<li>Balancing helping clinicians to feel more confident while also encouraging them to be self-motivated to learn.</li>
<li>What are the best things clinicians can do right now to improve their confidence?</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="dianegehart.com">Diane Gehart</a></p><p><a href="https://www.therapythatworksinstitute.com/">Therapy That Works</a></p><p><a href="https://masteringcompetencies.com/">Mastering Competencies</a></p><p><a href="mindfulschool.net">Mindfulness at Our Schools</a></p><p><a href="youtube.com/c/DianeRGehartPhD">Diane on YouTube</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Psychiatric Crises in the Emergency Room</title>
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      <description>Psychiatric Crises in the Emergency Room
Interview with Kesy Yoon, LMHC and James McMahill, LMFT
Kesy Yoon, LMHC: As a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC), I am dedicated to helping my clients understand who they are and how they fit into the world around them. Over the past six years, I have worked in a variety of mental health settings with individuals from all walks of life. Currently, I work with clients struggling with anxiety, perfectionism, trauma, and major life transitions. Over the course of my career, I have developed a specialty in working with the Asian American Pacific Islander (AAPI) 1st generation population. My work in this area is informed by my own personal experience with navigating the differences between an American upbringing and traditional Asian values. I enjoy working with AAPI clients to identify solutions to improve quality of life while honoring important cultural values and needs. Therapy is dynamic and my style is centered upon empowerment and hope. I show up as a human first, therapist second. As a counselor, I believe that every individual is a unique and complicated being; therefore, I do not have one uniform approach. I draw inspiration from several evidence-based modalities such as EMDR, Solution Focused Therapy and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I am also trained in the EMDR modality and I am currently in the process of EMDR Certification.
James McMahill, LMFT: I am an LMFT in CA and MN specializing in crisis care for those struggling with psychosis, severe depression, PTSD and suicidality. The majority of my clinical experience has been in crisis work and includes all ages, from children and adolescents in inpatient, TAY and adults in county outpatient clinics, and as a member of a Geri Psyche urgent response team. While in San Diego, I was the Program Director for Heartland Wellness Recovery Center, a county outpatient program serving SPMI clients in East County, San Diego. Currently, I am a team member for a CRT (Crisis Response Team) in Carver County, MN, and spend much of my clinical time in Emergency Rooms or responding to community or Law Enforcement mental health crises. I may also be commonly found co moderating Therapists in Private Practice (TIPP) on Facebook, with my wife Namrata.
In this episode we talk about:

Continuing our special series on Fixing Mental Healthcare in America

How emergency rooms become a part of the mental health system

The role of emergency rooms as the first door for folks with a mental health crisis

It can be a catchall and revolving door for some with longer term mental health concerns

The challenges and overwhelm when someone comes into the ER

The goals that emergency rooms can have when someone comes in with a psychiatric crisis

The differences in ERs (whether they have psychiatric facilities or whether they transfer to other facilities)

The challenges in placing clients in psychiatric inpatient care

The revolving door – developing relationships and losing hope

Potential legislation changes that could increase time for care

Conflicting goals at different levels of the hospital and the hot potato syndrome

Training of the emergency room staff, medical staff, law enforcement, fire services

The criminogenic interpretation of behavior that can hinder law enforcement and seeing a patient as someone needing help

The importance of patience in managing psychiatric crises

Interacting with Law Enforcement in these situations</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Psychiatric Crises in the Emergency Room</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Special Series: Fixing Mental Healthcare in America</itunes:subtitle>
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Interview with Kesy Yoon, LMHC and James McMahill, LMFT
Kesy Yoon, LMHC: As a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC), I am dedicated to helping my clients understand who they are and how they fit into the world around them. Over the past six years, I have worked in a variety of mental health settings with individuals from all walks of life. Currently, I work with clients struggling with anxiety, perfectionism, trauma, and major life transitions. Over the course of my career, I have developed a specialty in working with the Asian American Pacific Islander (AAPI) 1st generation population. My work in this area is informed by my own personal experience with navigating the differences between an American upbringing and traditional Asian values. I enjoy working with AAPI clients to identify solutions to improve quality of life while honoring important cultural values and needs. Therapy is dynamic and my style is centered upon empowerment and hope. I show up as a human first, therapist second. As a counselor, I believe that every individual is a unique and complicated being; therefore, I do not have one uniform approach. I draw inspiration from several evidence-based modalities such as EMDR, Solution Focused Therapy and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I am also trained in the EMDR modality and I am currently in the process of EMDR Certification.
James McMahill, LMFT: I am an LMFT in CA and MN specializing in crisis care for those struggling with psychosis, severe depression, PTSD and suicidality. The majority of my clinical experience has been in crisis work and includes all ages, from children and adolescents in inpatient, TAY and adults in county outpatient clinics, and as a member of a Geri Psyche urgent response team. While in San Diego, I was the Program Director for Heartland Wellness Recovery Center, a county outpatient program serving SPMI clients in East County, San Diego. Currently, I am a team member for a CRT (Crisis Response Team) in Carver County, MN, and spend much of my clinical time in Emergency Rooms or responding to community or Law Enforcement mental health crises. I may also be commonly found co moderating Therapists in Private Practice (TIPP) on Facebook, with my wife Namrata.
In this episode we talk about:

Continuing our special series on Fixing Mental Healthcare in America

How emergency rooms become a part of the mental health system

The role of emergency rooms as the first door for folks with a mental health crisis

It can be a catchall and revolving door for some with longer term mental health concerns

The challenges and overwhelm when someone comes into the ER

The goals that emergency rooms can have when someone comes in with a psychiatric crisis

The differences in ERs (whether they have psychiatric facilities or whether they transfer to other facilities)

The challenges in placing clients in psychiatric inpatient care

The revolving door – developing relationships and losing hope

Potential legislation changes that could increase time for care

Conflicting goals at different levels of the hospital and the hot potato syndrome

Training of the emergency room staff, medical staff, law enforcement, fire services

The criminogenic interpretation of behavior that can hinder law enforcement and seeing a patient as someone needing help

The importance of patience in managing psychiatric crises

Interacting with Law Enforcement in these situations</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Psychiatric Crises in the Emergency Room</p><p>Interview with Kesy Yoon, LMHC and James McMahill, LMFT</p><p>Kesy Yoon, LMHC: As a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC), I am dedicated to helping my clients understand who they are and how they fit into the world around them. Over the past six years, I have worked in a variety of mental health settings with individuals from all walks of life. Currently, I work with clients struggling with anxiety, perfectionism, trauma, and major life transitions. Over the course of my career, I have developed a specialty in working with the Asian American Pacific Islander (AAPI) 1st generation population. My work in this area is informed by my own personal experience with navigating the differences between an American upbringing and traditional Asian values. I enjoy working with AAPI clients to identify solutions to improve quality of life while honoring important cultural values and needs. Therapy is dynamic and my style is centered upon empowerment and hope. I show up as a human first, therapist second. As a counselor, I believe that every individual is a unique and complicated being; therefore, I do not have one uniform approach. I draw inspiration from several evidence-based modalities such as EMDR, Solution Focused Therapy and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I am also trained in the EMDR modality and I am currently in the process of EMDR Certification.</p><p>James McMahill, LMFT: I am an LMFT in CA and MN specializing in crisis care for those struggling with psychosis, severe depression, PTSD and suicidality. The majority of my clinical experience has been in crisis work and includes all ages, from children and adolescents in inpatient, TAY and adults in county outpatient clinics, and as a member of a Geri Psyche urgent response team. While in San Diego, I was the Program Director for Heartland Wellness Recovery Center, a county outpatient program serving SPMI clients in East County, San Diego. Currently, I am a team member for a CRT (Crisis Response Team) in Carver County, MN, and spend much of my clinical time in Emergency Rooms or responding to community or Law Enforcement mental health crises. I may also be commonly found co moderating Therapists in Private Practice (TIPP) on Facebook, with my wife Namrata.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Continuing our special series on Fixing Mental Healthcare in America</li>
<li>How emergency rooms become a part of the mental health system</li>
<li>The role of emergency rooms as the first door for folks with a mental health crisis</li>
<li>It can be a catchall and revolving door for some with longer term mental health concerns</li>
<li>The challenges and overwhelm when someone comes into the ER</li>
<li>The goals that emergency rooms can have when someone comes in with a psychiatric crisis</li>
<li>The differences in ERs (whether they have psychiatric facilities or whether they transfer to other facilities)</li>
<li>The challenges in placing clients in psychiatric inpatient care</li>
<li>The revolving door – developing relationships and losing hope</li>
<li>Potential legislation changes that could increase time for care</li>
<li>Conflicting goals at different levels of the hospital and the hot potato syndrome</li>
<li>Training of the emergency room staff, medical staff, law enforcement, fire services</li>
<li>The criminogenic interpretation of behavior that can hinder law enforcement and seeing a patient as someone needing help</li>
<li>The importance of patience in managing psychiatric crises</li>
<li>Interacting with Law Enforcement in these situations</li>
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      <title>Why YOU Shouldn’t Sell Out to BetterHelp</title>
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An interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC from TherapyDen about the ins and outs of affiliate partnerships. Curt and Katie talk with Jeff about the offer he received from BetterHelp and why he turned it down – taking some time to discuss the therapist businesses and influencers who have chosen this partnership and the subsequent backlash from the online therapist communities. We look at how these types of partnerships can be formed, what you should consider when you are approached to collaborate with another company, and how much money it would take for us to sell out.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC, TherapyDen
Jeff Guenther, LPC, is a therapist in Portland, OR. He has been in private practice since 2005 and currently leads workshops on how health and wellness practitioners can build their digital brand and attract more clients online. Jeff is the creator and owner of two highly ranked healthcare directory sites, Portland Therapy Center and TherapyDen. 
In this episode we talk about:

Jeff’s TherapyDen story – why/how he started it and the different types of partnerships and other business arrangements that he’s been approached with

How to sift out what is being offered and whether a partnership is beneficial or harmful

The salesy approaches that Jeff just does not respond to

The common origin stories and connections made with tech startups

Why Brighter Vision and others have gotten so much backlash when they partnered with BetterHelp

The movement from the online therapists’ groups to respond to Brighter Vision and the resulting discontinuation of the partnership with BetterHelp

The importance of taking care of the individuals in the profession

The corporate focus on commoditization of therapy

The different ways that companies like BetterHelp may be making money off of therapy clients and therapists (e.g., data mining)

BetterHelp’s plan to take over therapist directories and all of the entry points for therapy

The consequences of BetterHelp’s success and how they are changing the expectations

Ideas about larger provider networks that can be done well to support therapists and clients

The specifics of Jeff’s offer from BetterHelp and why he turned it down

The morals and values questions that come up when facing one of these offers

The practical reasons not to take these kinds of deals, no matter the money involved

The importance of being able to stand behind your partners

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
TherapyDen
Create a Free Therapist Profile on TherapyDen
Contact Jeff: hello@therapyden.com
Swoon Podcast and Jeff's TherapyDen Blog</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Why YOU Shouldn’t Sell Out to BetterHelp: An interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC from TherapyDen </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC from TherapyDen</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why YOU Shouldn’t Sell Out to BetterHelp
An interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC from TherapyDen about the ins and outs of affiliate partnerships. Curt and Katie talk with Jeff about the offer he received from BetterHelp and why he turned it down – taking some time to discuss the therapist businesses and influencers who have chosen this partnership and the subsequent backlash from the online therapist communities. We look at how these types of partnerships can be formed, what you should consider when you are approached to collaborate with another company, and how much money it would take for us to sell out.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC, TherapyDen
Jeff Guenther, LPC, is a therapist in Portland, OR. He has been in private practice since 2005 and currently leads workshops on how health and wellness practitioners can build their digital brand and attract more clients online. Jeff is the creator and owner of two highly ranked healthcare directory sites, Portland Therapy Center and TherapyDen. 
In this episode we talk about:

Jeff’s TherapyDen story – why/how he started it and the different types of partnerships and other business arrangements that he’s been approached with

How to sift out what is being offered and whether a partnership is beneficial or harmful

The salesy approaches that Jeff just does not respond to

The common origin stories and connections made with tech startups

Why Brighter Vision and others have gotten so much backlash when they partnered with BetterHelp

The movement from the online therapists’ groups to respond to Brighter Vision and the resulting discontinuation of the partnership with BetterHelp

The importance of taking care of the individuals in the profession

The corporate focus on commoditization of therapy

The different ways that companies like BetterHelp may be making money off of therapy clients and therapists (e.g., data mining)

BetterHelp’s plan to take over therapist directories and all of the entry points for therapy

The consequences of BetterHelp’s success and how they are changing the expectations

Ideas about larger provider networks that can be done well to support therapists and clients

The specifics of Jeff’s offer from BetterHelp and why he turned it down

The morals and values questions that come up when facing one of these offers

The practical reasons not to take these kinds of deals, no matter the money involved

The importance of being able to stand behind your partners

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
TherapyDen
Create a Free Therapist Profile on TherapyDen
Contact Jeff: hello@therapyden.com
Swoon Podcast and Jeff's TherapyDen Blog</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Why YOU Shouldn’t Sell Out to BetterHelp</p><p>An interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC from TherapyDen about the ins and outs of affiliate partnerships. Curt and Katie talk with Jeff about the offer he received from BetterHelp and why he turned it down – taking some time to discuss the therapist businesses and influencers who have chosen this partnership and the subsequent backlash from the online therapist communities. We look at how these types of partnerships can be formed, what you should consider when you are approached to collaborate with another company, and how much money it would take for us to sell out.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC, TherapyDen</p><p>Jeff Guenther, LPC, is a therapist in Portland, OR. He has been in private practice since 2005 and currently leads workshops on how health and wellness practitioners can build their digital brand and attract more clients online. Jeff is the creator and owner of two highly ranked healthcare directory sites, Portland Therapy Center and TherapyDen. </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Jeff’s TherapyDen story – why/how he started it and the different types of partnerships and other business arrangements that he’s been approached with</li>
<li>How to sift out what is being offered and whether a partnership is beneficial or harmful</li>
<li>The salesy approaches that Jeff just does not respond to</li>
<li>The common origin stories and connections made with tech startups</li>
<li>Why Brighter Vision and others have gotten so much backlash when they partnered with BetterHelp</li>
<li>The movement from the online therapists’ groups to respond to Brighter Vision and the resulting discontinuation of the partnership with BetterHelp</li>
<li>The importance of taking care of the individuals in the profession</li>
<li>The corporate focus on commoditization of therapy</li>
<li>The different ways that companies like BetterHelp may be making money off of therapy clients and therapists (e.g., data mining)</li>
<li>BetterHelp’s plan to take over therapist directories and all of the entry points for therapy</li>
<li>The consequences of BetterHelp’s success and how they are changing the expectations</li>
<li>Ideas about larger provider networks that can be done well to support therapists and clients</li>
<li>The specifics of Jeff’s offer from BetterHelp and why he turned it down</li>
<li>The morals and values questions that come up when facing one of these offers</li>
<li>The practical reasons not to take these kinds of deals, no matter the money involved</li>
<li>The importance of being able to stand behind your partners</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.therapyden.com/">TherapyDen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.therapyden.com/signin">Create a Free Therapist Profile on TherapyDen</a></p><p>Contact Jeff: <a href="mailto:hello@therapyden.com">hello@therapyden.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.therapyden.com/blog">Swoon Podcast and Jeff's TherapyDen Blog</a></p>]]>
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      <title>The State of the Profession in a COVID World</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-state-of-the-profession-in-a-covid-world</link>
      <description>The State of the Profession in a COVID World
Curt and Katie chat about the current state of the Mental Health Profession. We give our opinion on a recent report from SimplePractice, looking at what they included as well as what we think is missing. We explore how COVID has impacted burnout rates and give action steps professionals can take to support each other as we continue to move forward as a field. We also talk about barriers in our field and what is coming next.
This is the Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, a series of special episodes to help modern therapists navigate products and services specifically designed for therapists and their clients. We dig deeply into the companies, the people, and the products and services so you can make smart decisions in building your practice and serving your clients.
In this episode we talk about:

0:53: What do Curt and Katie think about the report? And how do demographics and length of time in the field impact how long clinicians stay in the profession?

2:27: Who feels burned out the most and what are action steps professionals can take to help each other with this problem?

7:44: How do financial burdens and parental burnout impact a clinician’s ability to work in this field?

10:50: How do insurance regulations create barriers for clinicians and clients?

15:38: How has COVID impacted use of technology in the field and accessibility to care?

18:55: Who are the therapists in the field and who are they working with (demographics)?

23:18: How do social justice issues impact burnout rates?

24:56: What comes next for our profession?.


Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
State of the Mental Health Profession: Impact of COVID-19
Teletherapy Good Enough Therapy For A Crisis…and Beyond!
 </description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The State of the Profession in a COVID World</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the current state of the Mental Health Profession. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>The State of the Profession in a COVID World
Curt and Katie chat about the current state of the Mental Health Profession. We give our opinion on a recent report from SimplePractice, looking at what they included as well as what we think is missing. We explore how COVID has impacted burnout rates and give action steps professionals can take to support each other as we continue to move forward as a field. We also talk about barriers in our field and what is coming next.
This is the Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, a series of special episodes to help modern therapists navigate products and services specifically designed for therapists and their clients. We dig deeply into the companies, the people, and the products and services so you can make smart decisions in building your practice and serving your clients.
In this episode we talk about:

0:53: What do Curt and Katie think about the report? And how do demographics and length of time in the field impact how long clinicians stay in the profession?

2:27: Who feels burned out the most and what are action steps professionals can take to help each other with this problem?

7:44: How do financial burdens and parental burnout impact a clinician’s ability to work in this field?

10:50: How do insurance regulations create barriers for clinicians and clients?

15:38: How has COVID impacted use of technology in the field and accessibility to care?

18:55: Who are the therapists in the field and who are they working with (demographics)?

23:18: How do social justice issues impact burnout rates?

24:56: What comes next for our profession?.


Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
State of the Mental Health Profession: Impact of COVID-19
Teletherapy Good Enough Therapy For A Crisis…and Beyond!
 </itunes:summary>
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<li>0:53: What do Curt and Katie think about the report? And how do demographics and length of time in the field impact how long clinicians stay in the profession?</li>
<li>2:27: Who feels burned out the most and what are action steps professionals can take to help each other with this problem?</li>
<li>7:44: How do financial burdens and parental burnout impact a clinician’s ability to work in this field?</li>
<li>10:50: How do insurance regulations create barriers for clinicians and clients?</li>
<li>15:38: How has COVID impacted use of technology in the field and accessibility to care?</li>
<li>18:55: Who are the therapists in the field and who are they working with (demographics)?</li>
<li>23:18: How do social justice issues impact burnout rates?</li>
<li>24:56: What comes next for our profession?<em>.</em>
</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://ter.li/stateofprofessionTR">State of the Mental Health Profession: Impact of COVID-19</a></p><p><a href="http://www.camft.org/Portals/0/PDFs/teletherapy.pdf">Teletherapy Good Enough Therapy For A Crisis…and Beyond!</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on SimplePractice</title>
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      <description>Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on SimplePractice
Curt and Katie talk with Howard Spector, CEO and Diana Stepner, VP of Product for SimplePractice. We look at how SimplePractice has been envisioned, the company values, and the details of the product, so you can decide if SimplePractice is the Practice Management System for your private practice.
This is the Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, a series of special episodes to help modern therapists navigate products and services specifically designed for therapists and their clients. We dig deeply into the companies, the people, and the products and services so you can make smart decisions in building your practice and serving your clients.
 
Interview with Howard Spector, CEO and Diana Stepner, VP of Product, SimplePractice
Howard is the CEO and Co-founder of SimplePractice. Howard has over 20 years of experience in the information technology industry. He is proud to have earned his MA in Counseling Psychology with an emphasis in Depth Psychology at Pacifica Graduate Institute.
Diana joined SimplePractice from Pearson where she was the VP of Innovative Learning Solutions, a portfolio of products that provide value anytime, anywhere for learners by increasing confidence &amp; outcomes associated with a specific learning activity or skill. Previously Diana headed up Future Technologies and Innovation Partnerships at Pearson. She also worked in Emerging Media at Razorfish and User Experience at Salesforce.com. In addition, Diana led Product Management in Western Europe for Monster Worldwide. She has a MIMS from UC Berkeley and an MBA from Boston University. When not doing Product, Diana can be found exercising, listening to podcasts, nutrition / health / wellness, and travel (someday). She lives in San Francisco with her husband and attack puppy.
 In this episode we talk about: Interview with Howard Spector, CEO, SimplePractice

2:12: How did the vision for SimplePractice (SP) come into being?

4:17: What is the trajectory for SimplePractice?

6:25: How does SP take in feedback and remain true to their principles and values from which it began?

9:12: What is SP’s response to feedback about customer service?

15:31: How does the team atmosphere and culture play out for customers?

19:41: How does SimplePractice support Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion?

22:12: What is in the future for SP?

23:18: What is Howard most proud for about SP?

25:10: What does Howard want everyone considering SP for their practice management system need to know?

Interview with Diana Stepner, VP of Product, SimplePractice

26:32: What does it look like when someone signs up for SimplePractice?

28:54: What are the strongest elements of SimplePractice?

30:24: What are SP’s paperwork customization features?

34:04: What is the professional website feature?

35:07: What is Monarch?

38:01 What are some areas SimplePractice is looking to improve?

40:17: How has SP taken suggestions from the community and incorporated them into SimplePractice?

41:56: Who is SimplePractice NOT right for?

44:35: What is coming up next for SimplePractice’s development?

45:54: How do you sign up for SimplePractice? (includes information on our special offer)

46:19: How would you recommend people investigating if SimplePractice is a good fit for them?

Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of SimplePractice

47:31: Who would we recommend SimplePractice for?

52:05: Who we think would not be a good match for SimplePractice</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Special Episode: Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on SimplePractice</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>bonus</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk with Howard Spector, CEO and Diana Stepner, VP of Product for SimplePractice</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on SimplePractice
Curt and Katie talk with Howard Spector, CEO and Diana Stepner, VP of Product for SimplePractice. We look at how SimplePractice has been envisioned, the company values, and the details of the product, so you can decide if SimplePractice is the Practice Management System for your private practice.
This is the Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, a series of special episodes to help modern therapists navigate products and services specifically designed for therapists and their clients. We dig deeply into the companies, the people, and the products and services so you can make smart decisions in building your practice and serving your clients.
 
Interview with Howard Spector, CEO and Diana Stepner, VP of Product, SimplePractice
Howard is the CEO and Co-founder of SimplePractice. Howard has over 20 years of experience in the information technology industry. He is proud to have earned his MA in Counseling Psychology with an emphasis in Depth Psychology at Pacifica Graduate Institute.
Diana joined SimplePractice from Pearson where she was the VP of Innovative Learning Solutions, a portfolio of products that provide value anytime, anywhere for learners by increasing confidence &amp; outcomes associated with a specific learning activity or skill. Previously Diana headed up Future Technologies and Innovation Partnerships at Pearson. She also worked in Emerging Media at Razorfish and User Experience at Salesforce.com. In addition, Diana led Product Management in Western Europe for Monster Worldwide. She has a MIMS from UC Berkeley and an MBA from Boston University. When not doing Product, Diana can be found exercising, listening to podcasts, nutrition / health / wellness, and travel (someday). She lives in San Francisco with her husband and attack puppy.
 In this episode we talk about: Interview with Howard Spector, CEO, SimplePractice

2:12: How did the vision for SimplePractice (SP) come into being?

4:17: What is the trajectory for SimplePractice?

6:25: How does SP take in feedback and remain true to their principles and values from which it began?

9:12: What is SP’s response to feedback about customer service?

15:31: How does the team atmosphere and culture play out for customers?

19:41: How does SimplePractice support Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion?

22:12: What is in the future for SP?

23:18: What is Howard most proud for about SP?

25:10: What does Howard want everyone considering SP for their practice management system need to know?

Interview with Diana Stepner, VP of Product, SimplePractice

26:32: What does it look like when someone signs up for SimplePractice?

28:54: What are the strongest elements of SimplePractice?

30:24: What are SP’s paperwork customization features?

34:04: What is the professional website feature?

35:07: What is Monarch?

38:01 What are some areas SimplePractice is looking to improve?

40:17: How has SP taken suggestions from the community and incorporated them into SimplePractice?

41:56: Who is SimplePractice NOT right for?

44:35: What is coming up next for SimplePractice’s development?

45:54: How do you sign up for SimplePractice? (includes information on our special offer)

46:19: How would you recommend people investigating if SimplePractice is a good fit for them?

Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of SimplePractice

47:31: Who would we recommend SimplePractice for?

52:05: Who we think would not be a good match for SimplePractice</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Modern Therapist’s Consumer Guide on SimplePractice</p><p>Curt and Katie talk with Howard Spector, CEO and Diana Stepner, VP of Product for SimplePractice. We look at how SimplePractice has been envisioned, the company values, and the details of the product, so you can decide if SimplePractice is the Practice Management System for your private practice.</p><p>This is the Modern Therapist Consumer Guide, a series of special episodes to help modern therapists navigate products and services specifically designed for therapists and their clients. We dig deeply into the companies, the people, and the products and services so you can make smart decisions in building your practice and serving your clients.</p><p> </p><p>Interview with Howard Spector, CEO and Diana Stepner, VP of Product, SimplePractice</p><p>Howard is the CEO and Co-founder of SimplePractice. Howard has over 20 years of experience in the information technology industry. He is proud to have earned his MA in Counseling Psychology with an emphasis in Depth Psychology at Pacifica Graduate Institute.</p><p>Diana joined SimplePractice from Pearson where she was the VP of Innovative Learning Solutions, a portfolio of products that provide value anytime, anywhere for learners by increasing confidence &amp; outcomes associated with a specific learning activity or skill. Previously Diana headed up Future Technologies and Innovation Partnerships at Pearson. She also worked in Emerging Media at Razorfish and User Experience at Salesforce.com. In addition, Diana led Product Management in Western Europe for Monster Worldwide. She has a MIMS from UC Berkeley and an MBA from Boston University. When not doing Product, Diana can be found exercising, listening to podcasts, nutrition / health / wellness, and travel (someday). She lives in San Francisco with her husband and attack puppy.</p><p> In this episode we talk about: Interview with Howard Spector, CEO, SimplePractice</p><ul>
<li>2:12: How did the vision for SimplePractice (SP) come into being?</li>
<li>4:17: What is the trajectory for SimplePractice?</li>
<li>6:25: How does SP take in feedback and remain true to their principles and values from which it began?</li>
<li>9:12: What is SP’s response to feedback about customer service?</li>
<li>15:31: How does the team atmosphere and culture play out for customers?</li>
<li>19:41: How does SimplePractice support Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion?</li>
<li>22:12: What is in the future for SP?</li>
<li>23:18: What is Howard most proud for about SP?</li>
<li>25:10: What does Howard want everyone considering SP for their practice management system need to know?</li>
</ul><p>Interview with Diana Stepner, VP of Product, SimplePractice</p><ul>
<li>26:32: What does it look like when someone signs up for SimplePractice?</li>
<li>28:54: What are the strongest elements of SimplePractice?</li>
<li>30:24: What are SP’s paperwork customization features?</li>
<li>34:04: What is the professional website feature?</li>
<li>35:07: What is Monarch?</li>
<li>38:01 What are some areas SimplePractice is looking to improve?</li>
<li>40:17: How has SP taken suggestions from the community and incorporated them into SimplePractice?</li>
<li>41:56: Who is SimplePractice NOT right for?</li>
<li>44:35: What is coming up next for SimplePractice’s development?</li>
<li>45:54: How do you sign up for SimplePractice? (includes information on our special offer)</li>
<li>46:19: How would you recommend people investigating if SimplePractice is a good fit for them?</li>
</ul><p>Curt and Katie Chat – Our review of SimplePractice</p><ul>
<li>47:31: Who would we recommend SimplePractice for?</li>
<li>52:05: Who we think would not be a good match for SimplePractice</li>
</ul><p><br></p>]]>
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      <title>Being a Therapist on Both Sides of the Couch</title>
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      <description>Being a Therapist on Both Sides of the Couch
An interview with Rwenshaun Miller, LCMHC, where he shares what therapists get wrong when understanding the client perspective and how to genuinely connect with clients. Curt and Katie chat with Rwenshaun about tough questions on racial bias in diagnosing and the impact of systemic structures in Black and brown communities. They also discuss a vision for an ideal mental health system and suggestions for how to start advocating for change.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Rwenshaun Miller, MA, LCMHC, NCC
Rwenshaun Miller is an accomplished author, motivational speaker, counselor, consultant and philanthropist who has dedicated his life and career to, not only reshaping the negative connotations often associated with mental health, but also directly impacting the lives of those living with mental health challenges. Of all his accolades and roles, Mr. Miller proudly first serves as a Mental Health Change Agent. As a result, Mr. Miller has globally impacted the lives of many through his awareness efforts.
Mr. Miller’s relentless passion and commitment derived from his personal experience living with Bipolar Disorder. Through his journey, Mr. Miller initially encountered similar challenges many face, including that of acceptance of a mental health diagnosis. Eventually, Mr. Miller decided to not allow this diagnosis to define and debilitate him realizing that Bipolar Disorder is not what defines who he is. Thus, he embarked on a path to help uplift, empower, encourage and teach others who live with mental health challenges how to “thrive” in life.
In this episode we talk about:

Rwenshaun’s story of encountering systemic barriers while facing his own mental health challenges and how he uses his experience as a client to inform his work as a therapist as well as educate other therapists.

Looking at “both sides of the couch” and bridging the differences between what we learn as clients and what we are taught to do as therapists.

Discussion of what therapists do wrong when it comes to understanding the client perspective.

The utility of diagnosing as well as problems with treating someone like a diagnosis (impact on self-perspective, living up to the diagnosis, etc.)

Examining how inherent white bias shows up in diagnosing and how to consider environmental factors when conceptualizing a client’s behavior.

Exploration of how systemic structures impact the mental health of BIPOC youth and the need to challenge the systems that hold these individuals back.

Looking at ways to step outside the box of conventional therapy techniques to meet client’s where they are at and connect with them as a person (engaging clients in video games, basketball, yoga, etc.).

Discussion of how to set the stage for therapy to ensure it is comfortable for the therapist and client.

Exploration of how the stigma of mental health has changed in BIPOC communities and what is needed to change systemically to continue reducing the stigma.

Envisioning an ideal for how therapists and systemic structures can support the mental health needs of society, along with examining current barriers and how work to reduce them.

The importance of advocating for preventative care to improve mental health care. 

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Rwenshaun’s website
Eustress Inc.
Eustressin Journal
Injured Reserve: A Black Man's Playbook To Manage Being Sidelined By Mental Illness
 Twitter: @Rwenshaun
Facebook: Rwenshaun Miller
Instagram: @Rwenshaun</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Being a Therapist on Both Sides of the Couch: An interview with Rwenshaun Miller, LCMHC</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Rwenshaun Miller, LCMHC</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Being a Therapist on Both Sides of the Couch
An interview with Rwenshaun Miller, LCMHC, where he shares what therapists get wrong when understanding the client perspective and how to genuinely connect with clients. Curt and Katie chat with Rwenshaun about tough questions on racial bias in diagnosing and the impact of systemic structures in Black and brown communities. They also discuss a vision for an ideal mental health system and suggestions for how to start advocating for change.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Rwenshaun Miller, MA, LCMHC, NCC
Rwenshaun Miller is an accomplished author, motivational speaker, counselor, consultant and philanthropist who has dedicated his life and career to, not only reshaping the negative connotations often associated with mental health, but also directly impacting the lives of those living with mental health challenges. Of all his accolades and roles, Mr. Miller proudly first serves as a Mental Health Change Agent. As a result, Mr. Miller has globally impacted the lives of many through his awareness efforts.
Mr. Miller’s relentless passion and commitment derived from his personal experience living with Bipolar Disorder. Through his journey, Mr. Miller initially encountered similar challenges many face, including that of acceptance of a mental health diagnosis. Eventually, Mr. Miller decided to not allow this diagnosis to define and debilitate him realizing that Bipolar Disorder is not what defines who he is. Thus, he embarked on a path to help uplift, empower, encourage and teach others who live with mental health challenges how to “thrive” in life.
In this episode we talk about:

Rwenshaun’s story of encountering systemic barriers while facing his own mental health challenges and how he uses his experience as a client to inform his work as a therapist as well as educate other therapists.

Looking at “both sides of the couch” and bridging the differences between what we learn as clients and what we are taught to do as therapists.

Discussion of what therapists do wrong when it comes to understanding the client perspective.

The utility of diagnosing as well as problems with treating someone like a diagnosis (impact on self-perspective, living up to the diagnosis, etc.)

Examining how inherent white bias shows up in diagnosing and how to consider environmental factors when conceptualizing a client’s behavior.

Exploration of how systemic structures impact the mental health of BIPOC youth and the need to challenge the systems that hold these individuals back.

Looking at ways to step outside the box of conventional therapy techniques to meet client’s where they are at and connect with them as a person (engaging clients in video games, basketball, yoga, etc.).

Discussion of how to set the stage for therapy to ensure it is comfortable for the therapist and client.

Exploration of how the stigma of mental health has changed in BIPOC communities and what is needed to change systemically to continue reducing the stigma.

Envisioning an ideal for how therapists and systemic structures can support the mental health needs of society, along with examining current barriers and how work to reduce them.

The importance of advocating for preventative care to improve mental health care. 

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Rwenshaun’s website
Eustress Inc.
Eustressin Journal
Injured Reserve: A Black Man's Playbook To Manage Being Sidelined By Mental Illness
 Twitter: @Rwenshaun
Facebook: Rwenshaun Miller
Instagram: @Rwenshaun</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Being a Therapist on Both Sides of the Couch</p><p>An interview with Rwenshaun Miller, LCMHC, where he shares what therapists get wrong when understanding the client perspective and how to genuinely connect with clients. Curt and Katie chat with Rwenshaun about tough questions on racial bias in diagnosing and the impact of systemic structures in Black and brown communities. They also discuss a vision for an ideal mental health system and suggestions for how to start advocating for change.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Rwenshaun Miller, MA, LCMHC, NCC</p><p>Rwenshaun Miller is an accomplished author, motivational speaker, counselor, consultant and philanthropist who has dedicated his life and career to, not only reshaping the negative connotations often associated with mental health, but also directly impacting the lives of those living with mental health challenges. Of all his accolades and roles, Mr. Miller proudly first serves as a Mental Health Change Agent. As a result, Mr. Miller has globally impacted the lives of many through his awareness efforts.</p><p>Mr. Miller’s relentless passion and commitment derived from his personal experience living with Bipolar Disorder. Through his journey, Mr. Miller initially encountered similar challenges many face, including that of acceptance of a mental health diagnosis. Eventually, Mr. Miller decided to not allow this diagnosis to define and debilitate him realizing that Bipolar Disorder is not what defines who he is. Thus, he embarked on a path to help uplift, empower, encourage and teach others who live with mental health challenges how to “thrive” in life.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Rwenshaun’s story of encountering systemic barriers while facing his own mental health challenges and how he uses his experience as a client to inform his work as a therapist as well as educate other therapists.</li>
<li>Looking at “both sides of the couch” and bridging the differences between what we learn as clients and what we are taught to do as therapists.</li>
<li>Discussion of what therapists do wrong when it comes to understanding the client perspective.</li>
<li>The utility of diagnosing as well as problems with treating someone like a diagnosis (impact on self-perspective, living up to the diagnosis, etc.)</li>
<li>Examining how inherent white bias shows up in diagnosing and how to consider environmental factors when conceptualizing a client’s behavior.</li>
<li>Exploration of how systemic structures impact the mental health of BIPOC youth and the need to challenge the systems that hold these individuals back.</li>
<li>Looking at ways to step outside the box of conventional therapy techniques to meet client’s where they are at and connect with them as a person (engaging clients in video games, basketball, yoga, etc.).</li>
<li>Discussion of how to set the stage for therapy to ensure it is comfortable for the therapist and client.</li>
<li>Exploration of how the stigma of mental health has changed in BIPOC communities and what is needed to change systemically to continue reducing the stigma.</li>
<li>Envisioning an ideal for how therapists and systemic structures can support the mental health needs of society, along with examining current barriers and how work to reduce them.</li>
<li>The importance of advocating for preventative care to improve mental health care. </li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.rwenshaun.com/">Rwenshaun’s website</a></p><p><a href="https://www.eustressinc.org/">Eustress Inc.</a></p><p><a href="https://www.rwenshaun.com/shop/journal">Eustressin Journal</a></p><p><a href="https://www.rwenshaun.com/injuredreserve">Injured Reserve: A Black Man's Playbook To Manage Being Sidelined By Mental Illness</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/Rwenshaun?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor"> Twitter: @Rwenshaun</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/rwenshaun">Facebook: Rwenshaun Miller</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/rwenshaun/?hl=en">Instagram: @Rwenshaun</a></p>]]>
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      <title>At Least 3 Reasons Continuing Education Sucks (Usually)</title>
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      <description>At Least 3 Reasons Continuing Education Sucks
Curt and Katie chat about why continuing education is usually pretty ineffective. We dig into a listener question related to repackaged, introductory level, uninspiring presentations. We look at the systemic concerns related to CE standards as well as the difficulty balancing high quality education with affordability. We explore research that shows that continuing education (especially when it is solely didactic) does not impact client outcomes. We also share ideas to improve continuing education for the next generation of clinicians.      
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The problems with continuing education rules and what that means for the types of education modern therapists often can find

The ways in which presenters repackage others’ material

Continuing education is not proven to improve client outcomes

CE standards that limit the innovation and interactive capability

How most CE is very general and appropriate for all levels of clinicians (not solely intermediate to advanced therapists)

The type of didactic training that might be impactful or effective (but may not be CE worthy)

The problem with not having practical applications involved in presentations

Learning, practicing and then doing

Why effective continuing education is expensive and whether they make a difference in being better therapists

Deliberate practice and the effectiveness of spending time outside of session (and training) practicing skills

Practice-based evidence (measuring how well our clients are doing) and why this is the strongest way to do better work

The importance of giving accurate feedback to CE providers

The acknowledgement and acceptance within the system that CE doesn’t really work – and the push back and reasons why people within the system don’t want to fix it

Assessing competence and engagement in training (pros and cons)

The balance between accessibility and accountability

The shelf-life of graduate education and the need for continuing education

Our vision related to continuing education and learning

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 The Cycle of Excellence by Tony Rousmaniere
Dr. Joy DeGruy
Why TED Talks don't change people's behaviors: Tom Asacker at TEDxCambridge 2014
 Scott Miller, PhD: Deliberate Practice
Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT – Ben Caldwell Labs
Articles:
 Impact of Formal Continuing Medical Education
 Does Professional Training Make a Therapist More Effective?</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>At Least 3 Reasons Continuing Education Sucks (Usually)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about why continuing education is usually pretty ineffective</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>At Least 3 Reasons Continuing Education Sucks
Curt and Katie chat about why continuing education is usually pretty ineffective. We dig into a listener question related to repackaged, introductory level, uninspiring presentations. We look at the systemic concerns related to CE standards as well as the difficulty balancing high quality education with affordability. We explore research that shows that continuing education (especially when it is solely didactic) does not impact client outcomes. We also share ideas to improve continuing education for the next generation of clinicians.      
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The problems with continuing education rules and what that means for the types of education modern therapists often can find

The ways in which presenters repackage others’ material

Continuing education is not proven to improve client outcomes

CE standards that limit the innovation and interactive capability

How most CE is very general and appropriate for all levels of clinicians (not solely intermediate to advanced therapists)

The type of didactic training that might be impactful or effective (but may not be CE worthy)

The problem with not having practical applications involved in presentations

Learning, practicing and then doing

Why effective continuing education is expensive and whether they make a difference in being better therapists

Deliberate practice and the effectiveness of spending time outside of session (and training) practicing skills

Practice-based evidence (measuring how well our clients are doing) and why this is the strongest way to do better work

The importance of giving accurate feedback to CE providers

The acknowledgement and acceptance within the system that CE doesn’t really work – and the push back and reasons why people within the system don’t want to fix it

Assessing competence and engagement in training (pros and cons)

The balance between accessibility and accountability

The shelf-life of graduate education and the need for continuing education

Our vision related to continuing education and learning

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 The Cycle of Excellence by Tony Rousmaniere
Dr. Joy DeGruy
Why TED Talks don't change people's behaviors: Tom Asacker at TEDxCambridge 2014
 Scott Miller, PhD: Deliberate Practice
Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT – Ben Caldwell Labs
Articles:
 Impact of Formal Continuing Medical Education
 Does Professional Training Make a Therapist More Effective?</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>At Least 3 Reasons Continuing Education Sucks</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about why continuing education is usually pretty ineffective. We dig into a listener question related to repackaged, introductory level, uninspiring presentations. We look at the systemic concerns related to CE standards as well as the difficulty balancing high quality education with affordability. We explore research that shows that continuing education (especially when it is solely didactic) does not impact client outcomes. We also share ideas to improve continuing education for the next generation of clinicians.      </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The problems with continuing education rules and what that means for the types of education modern therapists often can find</li>
<li>The ways in which presenters repackage others’ material</li>
<li>Continuing education is not proven to improve client outcomes</li>
<li>CE standards that limit the innovation and interactive capability</li>
<li>How most CE is very general and appropriate for all levels of clinicians (not solely intermediate to advanced therapists)</li>
<li>The type of didactic training that might be impactful or effective (but may not be CE worthy)</li>
<li>The problem with not having practical applications involved in presentations</li>
<li>Learning, practicing and then doing</li>
<li>Why effective continuing education is expensive and whether they make a difference in being better therapists</li>
<li>Deliberate practice and the effectiveness of spending time outside of session (and training) practicing skills</li>
<li>Practice-based evidence (measuring how well our clients are doing) and why this is the strongest way to do better work</li>
<li>The importance of giving accurate feedback to CE providers</li>
<li>The acknowledgement and acceptance within the system that CE doesn’t really work – and the push back and reasons why people within the system don’t want to fix it</li>
<li>Assessing competence and engagement in training (pros and cons)</li>
<li>The balance between accessibility and accountability</li>
<li>The shelf-life of graduate education and the need for continuing education</li>
<li>Our vision related to continuing education and learning</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Cycle-Excellence-Deliberate-Practice-Supervision/dp/1119165563"> The Cycle of Excellence</a> by Tony Rousmaniere</p><p><a href="https://www.joydegruy.com/">Dr. Joy DeGruy</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0jTZ-GP0N4">Why TED Talks don't change people's behaviors: Tom Asacker at TEDxCambridge 2014</a></p><p><a href="https://www.scottdmiller.com/better-results-using-deliberate-practice-to-improve-your-therapeutic-effectiveness/"> Scott Miller, PhD: Deliberate Practice</a></p><p><a href="https://bencaldwelllabs.com/">Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT – Ben Caldwell Labs</a></p><p>Articles:</p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anne-Taylor-Vaisey/publication/251314119_Impact_of_Formal_Continuing_Medical_Education/links/54ef35d80cf2432ba65627e8/Impact-of-Formal-Continuing-Medical-Education.pdf"> Impact of Formal Continuing Medical Education</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jeffrey-Berman-3/publication/19261008_Does_Professional_Training_Make_a_Therapist_More_Effective/links/00463529dc24d7caf3000000/Does-Professional-Training-Make-a-Therapist-More-Effective.pdf"> Does Professional Training Make a Therapist More Effective?</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How to Stay in Your Lane  to Support Diversity and Inclusion</title>
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      <description>How to Stay in Your Lane to Support Diversity and Inclusion
An interview with Dr. Joy Cox, PhD, on tapping into the strength of community and genuine relationships to understand and address systemic oppression. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Joy about intersectionality, the harmful stories we can tell ourselves about people who are different from us, and what we can do to best support diversity and inclusion in all the spaces we inhabit. We also address why it is important to do some of this work privately (rather than working it out publicly through statements on social media).
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Joy Cox, PhD
Dr. Joy Cox is a body justice advocate using her skill set in research and leadership to foster social change through the promotion of fat acceptance and diversity and inclusion. With 37 years living as a fat, Black cisgendered woman and 7+ years of professional experience under her belt, Dr. Cox draws on her own experiences and skill set to amplify the voices of those most marginalized in society, bringing attention to matters of intersectionality addressing race, body size, accessibility, and “health.”
Joy has been featured on several podcasts and media productions such as Food Pysch with Christy Harrison, Nalgona Positivity Pride with Gloria Lucas, Fat Women of Color with Ivy Felicia, and Huffington Post’s piece, “Everything You Know About Obesity is Wrong.” She also just authored her first book, Fat Girls in Black Bodies: Creating Communities of Our Own. She is the voice of an overcomer, looking to propel others into a place of freedom designed by their desires.
In this episode we talk about:

What Dr. Joy is putting out into the world

Intersectionality and bias, stigma

How to take an intersectional approach

The importance of genuine relationships in understanding others

Discussing the panel discussion in the conference when addressing learning about others

The harm of putting work on individuals with lived experience

Why and when you should pay for expert consultation

The challenge of googling to learn (when it works and when to seek expert guidance)

The importance of saying no when someone is asking you to become a spokesperson

The exponential impact of intersectionality of marginalized identities

How intersectional identities compound to create narratives

Anything that is heavily stigmatized in society – racism is not far behind it

Knowledge without learning to implement

Why you should find your lane and move accordingly

How to identify what you can and should do to support inclusion

The importance of identifying where to do the work, it doesn’t have to be public

Why individuals need to learn themselves, understand their heart, and identify who they are

Getting it right is better than getting it fast

Having the important conversations and checking in with the people who matter

The unreasonable expectation to have an opinion on everything

The benefits of community with each person staying in their lane

Creating community that includes all people and the strength that provides

Pushing back on the idea that everyone has to be able to do all of the roles

We need to change how we think and we need to change how we feel to uncover more space than we knew was available for all people

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Dr. Joy Cox's Website
Jabbie App
Dr. Joy on Instagram: FreshOutTheCocoon
Dr. Joy on Twitter
Dr. Joy's Book: Fat Girls in Black Bodies Creating a New Space of Belonging
The Care Bear Stare</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How to Stay in Your Lane  to Support Diversity and Inclusion: An interview with Dr. Joy Cox, PhD</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>How to Stay in Your Lane to Support Diversity and Inclusion
An interview with Dr. Joy Cox, PhD, on tapping into the strength of community and genuine relationships to understand and address systemic oppression. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Joy about intersectionality, the harmful stories we can tell ourselves about people who are different from us, and what we can do to best support diversity and inclusion in all the spaces we inhabit. We also address why it is important to do some of this work privately (rather than working it out publicly through statements on social media).
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Joy Cox, PhD
Dr. Joy Cox is a body justice advocate using her skill set in research and leadership to foster social change through the promotion of fat acceptance and diversity and inclusion. With 37 years living as a fat, Black cisgendered woman and 7+ years of professional experience under her belt, Dr. Cox draws on her own experiences and skill set to amplify the voices of those most marginalized in society, bringing attention to matters of intersectionality addressing race, body size, accessibility, and “health.”
Joy has been featured on several podcasts and media productions such as Food Pysch with Christy Harrison, Nalgona Positivity Pride with Gloria Lucas, Fat Women of Color with Ivy Felicia, and Huffington Post’s piece, “Everything You Know About Obesity is Wrong.” She also just authored her first book, Fat Girls in Black Bodies: Creating Communities of Our Own. She is the voice of an overcomer, looking to propel others into a place of freedom designed by their desires.
In this episode we talk about:

What Dr. Joy is putting out into the world

Intersectionality and bias, stigma

How to take an intersectional approach

The importance of genuine relationships in understanding others

Discussing the panel discussion in the conference when addressing learning about others

The harm of putting work on individuals with lived experience

Why and when you should pay for expert consultation

The challenge of googling to learn (when it works and when to seek expert guidance)

The importance of saying no when someone is asking you to become a spokesperson

The exponential impact of intersectionality of marginalized identities

How intersectional identities compound to create narratives

Anything that is heavily stigmatized in society – racism is not far behind it

Knowledge without learning to implement

Why you should find your lane and move accordingly

How to identify what you can and should do to support inclusion

The importance of identifying where to do the work, it doesn’t have to be public

Why individuals need to learn themselves, understand their heart, and identify who they are

Getting it right is better than getting it fast

Having the important conversations and checking in with the people who matter

The unreasonable expectation to have an opinion on everything

The benefits of community with each person staying in their lane

Creating community that includes all people and the strength that provides

Pushing back on the idea that everyone has to be able to do all of the roles

We need to change how we think and we need to change how we feel to uncover more space than we knew was available for all people

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Dr. Joy Cox's Website
Jabbie App
Dr. Joy on Instagram: FreshOutTheCocoon
Dr. Joy on Twitter
Dr. Joy's Book: Fat Girls in Black Bodies Creating a New Space of Belonging
The Care Bear Stare</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>How to Stay in Your Lane to Support Diversity and Inclusion</p><p>An interview with Dr. Joy Cox, PhD, on tapping into the strength of community and genuine relationships to understand and address systemic oppression. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Joy about intersectionality, the harmful stories we can tell ourselves about people who are different from us, and what we can do to best support diversity and inclusion in all the spaces we inhabit. We also address why it is important to do some of this work privately (rather than working it out publicly through statements on social media).</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Joy Cox, PhD</p><p>Dr. Joy Cox is a body justice advocate using her skill set in research and leadership to foster social change through the promotion of fat acceptance and diversity and inclusion. With 37 years living as a fat, Black cisgendered woman and 7+ years of professional experience under her belt, Dr. Cox draws on her own experiences and skill set to amplify the voices of those most marginalized in society, bringing attention to matters of intersectionality addressing race, body size, accessibility, and “health.”</p><p>Joy has been featured on several podcasts and media productions such as Food Pysch with Christy Harrison, Nalgona Positivity Pride with Gloria Lucas, Fat Women of Color with Ivy Felicia, and Huffington Post’s piece, “Everything You Know About Obesity is Wrong.” She also just authored her first book, Fat Girls in Black Bodies: Creating Communities of Our Own. She is the voice of an overcomer, looking to propel others into a place of freedom designed by their desires.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>What Dr. Joy is putting out into the world</li>
<li>Intersectionality and bias, stigma</li>
<li>How to take an intersectional approach</li>
<li>The importance of genuine relationships in understanding others</li>
<li>Discussing the panel discussion in the conference when addressing learning about others</li>
<li>The harm of putting work on individuals with lived experience</li>
<li>Why and when you should pay for expert consultation</li>
<li>The challenge of googling to learn (when it works and when to seek expert guidance)</li>
<li>The importance of saying no when someone is asking you to become a spokesperson</li>
<li>The exponential impact of intersectionality of marginalized identities</li>
<li>How intersectional identities compound to create narratives</li>
<li>Anything that is heavily stigmatized in society – racism is not far behind it</li>
<li>Knowledge without learning to implement</li>
<li>Why you should find your lane and move accordingly</li>
<li>How to identify what you can and should do to support inclusion</li>
<li>The importance of identifying where to do the work, it doesn’t have to be public</li>
<li>Why individuals need to learn themselves, understand their heart, and identify who they are</li>
<li>Getting it right is better than getting it fast</li>
<li>Having the important conversations and checking in with the people who matter</li>
<li>The unreasonable expectation to have an opinion on everything</li>
<li>The benefits of community with each person staying in their lane</li>
<li>Creating community that includes all people and the strength that provides</li>
<li>Pushing back on the idea that everyone has to be able to do all of the roles</li>
<li>We need to change how we think and we need to change how we feel to uncover more space than we knew was available for all people</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.drjoycox.com/">Dr. Joy Cox's Website</a></p><p><a href="https://www.getjabbie.com/">Jabbie App</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/freshoutthecocoon/">Dr. Joy on Instagram: FreshOutTheCocoon</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/drjoycox">Dr. Joy on Twitter</a></p><p><a href="https://www.drjoycox.com/the-book">Dr. Joy's Book: Fat Girls in Black Bodies Creating a New Space of Belonging</a></p><p><a href="https://media.giphy.com/media/11z8mwhw0jxQiI/giphy.gif">The Care Bear Stare</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Why You Should Stop Trying to Convince Clients to Change</title>
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      <description>Why You Should Stop Trying to Convince Clients to Change
An interview with Hillary Bolter, LCSW, on Motivational Interviewing. Curt and Katie chat with Hillary about what MI really is, what therapists often get wrong when supporting clients in making changes, and the importance of how therapists show up for this evidence-based model.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Hillary Bolter, MSW, LCSW, LCAS
Hillary is one of those folks that inherently thinks they have great ideas and solutions for people upon first encounter (Enneagram 1!). She’s ready to jump in and FIX! When she began her MI learning process, she realized just how essential MI was going to be for her energy, effectiveness, and longevity in the helping profession!
She has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2011. She is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker &amp; Addiction Therapist and absolutely delights in helping individuals, groups, and organizations learn the essential skills of Motivational Interviewing. She has worked as a helping professional for 20 years, ranging from working in wilderness therapy to community mental health, providing in home &amp; school-based services, as a therapist with specialties including working with anxiety, trauma, addiction, and veterans.
In this episode we talk about:

Motivational Interviewing (MI) is simple but not easy

The righting reflex – the tendency for therapists to try to persuade toward change

The differences between MI and the stages of change

What does “using MI” really mean?

The spirit of MI – the attitude we bring to our clients – empathy, collaboration, evocation, acceptance and compassion

OARS skills: open-ended questions, affirmations, reflections, and summaries

Change talk – the more people talk about change, the more likely they are to change

Focusing on why people would like to change

When we focus on why TO change, clients may argue against change (voicing the ambivalence)

How therapists may want to navigate changes that feel urgent (unsafe behaviors, for example)

Three styles of communication: following, guiding, directing

The ways to move from directing or educating back into a more collaborative stance

Why MI isn’t more widely used

The ways that MI skills could intermingle with other theoretical orientation

The idea around walking with your clients

Looking at the myth that motivational interviewing is manipulative

How to assess whether the change is in the client’s best interest

The focusing process as a way to ensure client participation

Motivational Interviewing is a communication technique

Distinguishing between the motivations that drive the change – focusing on the best interest of the client is the only one that really is MI

The importance of experiential training for MI

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Hillary’s website: bolterconsulting.com
Special offer: use “MTSG” for 10% off a foundations of MI course

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hillarybolter/
 Hillary's Facebook Group
Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT)</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Why You Should Stop Trying to Convince Clients to Change: An interview with Hillary Bolter, LCSW</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Hillary Bolter, LCSW, on Motivational Interviewing</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why You Should Stop Trying to Convince Clients to Change
An interview with Hillary Bolter, LCSW, on Motivational Interviewing. Curt and Katie chat with Hillary about what MI really is, what therapists often get wrong when supporting clients in making changes, and the importance of how therapists show up for this evidence-based model.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Hillary Bolter, MSW, LCSW, LCAS
Hillary is one of those folks that inherently thinks they have great ideas and solutions for people upon first encounter (Enneagram 1!). She’s ready to jump in and FIX! When she began her MI learning process, she realized just how essential MI was going to be for her energy, effectiveness, and longevity in the helping profession!
She has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2011. She is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker &amp; Addiction Therapist and absolutely delights in helping individuals, groups, and organizations learn the essential skills of Motivational Interviewing. She has worked as a helping professional for 20 years, ranging from working in wilderness therapy to community mental health, providing in home &amp; school-based services, as a therapist with specialties including working with anxiety, trauma, addiction, and veterans.
In this episode we talk about:

Motivational Interviewing (MI) is simple but not easy

The righting reflex – the tendency for therapists to try to persuade toward change

The differences between MI and the stages of change

What does “using MI” really mean?

The spirit of MI – the attitude we bring to our clients – empathy, collaboration, evocation, acceptance and compassion

OARS skills: open-ended questions, affirmations, reflections, and summaries

Change talk – the more people talk about change, the more likely they are to change

Focusing on why people would like to change

When we focus on why TO change, clients may argue against change (voicing the ambivalence)

How therapists may want to navigate changes that feel urgent (unsafe behaviors, for example)

Three styles of communication: following, guiding, directing

The ways to move from directing or educating back into a more collaborative stance

Why MI isn’t more widely used

The ways that MI skills could intermingle with other theoretical orientation

The idea around walking with your clients

Looking at the myth that motivational interviewing is manipulative

How to assess whether the change is in the client’s best interest

The focusing process as a way to ensure client participation

Motivational Interviewing is a communication technique

Distinguishing between the motivations that drive the change – focusing on the best interest of the client is the only one that really is MI

The importance of experiential training for MI

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Hillary’s website: bolterconsulting.com
Special offer: use “MTSG” for 10% off a foundations of MI course

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hillarybolter/
 Hillary's Facebook Group
Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT)</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Why You Should Stop Trying to Convince Clients to Change</p><p>An interview with Hillary Bolter, LCSW, on Motivational Interviewing. Curt and Katie chat with Hillary about what MI really is, what therapists often get wrong when supporting clients in making changes, and the importance of how therapists show up for this evidence-based model.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Hillary Bolter, MSW, LCSW, LCAS</p><p>Hillary is one of those folks that inherently thinks they have great ideas and solutions for people upon first encounter (Enneagram 1!). She’s ready to jump in and FIX! When she began her MI learning process, she realized just how essential MI was going to be for her energy, effectiveness, and longevity in the helping profession!</p><p>She has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2011. She is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker &amp; Addiction Therapist and absolutely delights in helping individuals, groups, and organizations learn the essential skills of Motivational Interviewing. She has worked as a helping professional for 20 years, ranging from working in wilderness therapy to community mental health, providing in home &amp; school-based services, as a therapist with specialties including working with anxiety, trauma, addiction, and veterans.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Motivational Interviewing (MI) is simple but not easy</li>
<li>The righting reflex – the tendency for therapists to try to persuade toward change</li>
<li>The differences between MI and the stages of change</li>
<li>What does “using MI” really mean?</li>
<li>The spirit of MI – the attitude we bring to our clients – empathy, collaboration, evocation, acceptance and compassion</li>
<li>OARS skills: open-ended questions, affirmations, reflections, and summaries</li>
<li>Change talk – the more people talk about change, the more likely they are to change</li>
<li>Focusing on why people would like to change</li>
<li>When we focus on why TO change, clients may argue against change (voicing the ambivalence)</li>
<li>How therapists may want to navigate changes that feel urgent (unsafe behaviors, for example)</li>
<li>Three styles of communication: following, guiding, directing</li>
<li>The ways to move from directing or educating back into a more collaborative stance</li>
<li>Why MI isn’t more widely used</li>
<li>The ways that MI skills could intermingle with other theoretical orientation</li>
<li>The idea around walking with your clients</li>
<li>Looking at the myth that motivational interviewing is manipulative</li>
<li>How to assess whether the change is in the client’s best interest</li>
<li>The focusing process as a way to ensure client participation</li>
<li>Motivational Interviewing is a communication technique</li>
<li>Distinguishing between the motivations that drive the change – focusing on the best interest of the client is the only one that really is MI</li>
<li>The importance of experiential training for MI</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>Hillary’s website: <a href="https://www.bolterconsulting.com/">bolterconsulting.com</a></p><ul><li>Special offer: use “MTSG” for 10% off a <a href="https://bolterconsulting.kartra.com/page/foundations">foundations of MI course</a>
</li></ul><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/hillarybolter/">https://www.instagram.com/hillarybolter/</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/MotivationalInterviewingBolterConsulting"> Hillary's Facebook Group</a></p><p><a href="https://motivationalinterviewing.org/">Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT)</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Post Pandemic Practice</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/post-pandemic-practice</link>
      <description>Post Pandemic Practice
Curt and Katie chat about what our practices can look like post pandemic. We explore the creativity that the pandemic has inspired and what the clinical and business implications might be for continuing in flexible modalities. We talk about logistics, clinical evaluation, and ethics related to the options available for the clients. We also talk about how to take care of yourself while taking care of clients.     
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How creativity can be used in practice

Different options for therapy (telehealth, outdoor/walk and talk, in-person, concierge)

The logistical challenges of having different options for your clients (different locations, different modalities, etc.)

The flexibility required during the pandemic and how to adjust schedules after returning

The benefits of having so many options

Boundaries and flexibility needed to manage a multimodal practice

The importance of communication and teamwork

The benefits of this flexibility to clinicians

The considerations of cost and charging different fees, and rationale for how you set fees

The clinical benefits and challenges for different modalities

The necessary documentation of rationale

Clinical considerations for in-person sessions

Some CYA advice

The importance of taking this time to deliberately design the practice you want

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 APA Article - COVID-19: When is it OK to provide more in-person services?
Outdoor therapy: Jennifer Deacon, MBACP
Leadership article – Checklist for Post Pandemic Reentry</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Post Pandemic Practice</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about opportunities to build the practice you want</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Post Pandemic Practice
Curt and Katie chat about what our practices can look like post pandemic. We explore the creativity that the pandemic has inspired and what the clinical and business implications might be for continuing in flexible modalities. We talk about logistics, clinical evaluation, and ethics related to the options available for the clients. We also talk about how to take care of yourself while taking care of clients.     
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How creativity can be used in practice

Different options for therapy (telehealth, outdoor/walk and talk, in-person, concierge)

The logistical challenges of having different options for your clients (different locations, different modalities, etc.)

The flexibility required during the pandemic and how to adjust schedules after returning

The benefits of having so many options

Boundaries and flexibility needed to manage a multimodal practice

The importance of communication and teamwork

The benefits of this flexibility to clinicians

The considerations of cost and charging different fees, and rationale for how you set fees

The clinical benefits and challenges for different modalities

The necessary documentation of rationale

Clinical considerations for in-person sessions

Some CYA advice

The importance of taking this time to deliberately design the practice you want

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 APA Article - COVID-19: When is it OK to provide more in-person services?
Outdoor therapy: Jennifer Deacon, MBACP
Leadership article – Checklist for Post Pandemic Reentry</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Post Pandemic Practice</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about what our practices can look like post pandemic. We explore the creativity that the pandemic has inspired and what the clinical and business implications might be for continuing in flexible modalities. We talk about logistics, clinical evaluation, and ethics related to the options available for the clients. We also talk about how to take care of yourself while taking care of clients.     </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How creativity can be used in practice</li>
<li>Different options for therapy (telehealth, outdoor/walk and talk, in-person, concierge)</li>
<li>The logistical challenges of having different options for your clients (different locations, different modalities, etc.)</li>
<li>The flexibility required during the pandemic and how to adjust schedules after returning</li>
<li>The benefits of having so many options</li>
<li>Boundaries and flexibility needed to manage a multimodal practice</li>
<li>The importance of communication and teamwork</li>
<li>The benefits of this flexibility to clinicians</li>
<li>The considerations of cost and charging different fees, and rationale for how you set fees</li>
<li>The clinical benefits and challenges for different modalities</li>
<li>The necessary documentation of rationale</li>
<li>Clinical considerations for in-person sessions</li>
<li>Some CYA advice</li>
<li>The importance of taking this time to deliberately design the practice you want</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.apaservices.org/practice/news/in-person-services-covid-19?_ga=2.205396304.1932840514.1620886065-1549362054.1617832508"> APA Article - COVID-19: When is it OK to provide more in-person services?</a></p><p><a href="https://www.yournature.org.uk/">Outdoor therapy: Jennifer Deacon, MBACP</a></p><p><a href="https://eblingroup.com/blog/checklist-for-post-pandemic-reentry/">Leadership article – Checklist for Post Pandemic Reentry</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy</title>
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      <description>Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy
An interview with Dr. Craig Heacock, M.D., about innovative treatments in psychiatry. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Heacock about psychedelic-assisted therapy – looking at efficacy, safety, and risks for these promising treatments (ketamine, psilocybin, and MDMA) for depression and trauma. We also discuss the debate about medicalization versus legalization of these substances. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Craig Heacock, M.D.
Dr. Craig Heacock is an adolescent/adult psychiatrist and addiction specialist in Colorado as well as the co-producer and host of the psychiatric storytelling podcast Back from the Abyss. He was a therapist in the Phase 3 trial of MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy for PTSD and has particular interest in the use of ketamine and other psychedelics to treat severe mood disorders and PTSD. He is a graduate of the University of New Mexico School of Medicine and did his psychiatry training at Brown University.
In this episode we talk about:

The innovations in psychedelic-assisted therapy

Why it is so hard to find a good psychiatrist, especially one that goes beyond med checks

How psychiatry is changing, as well as how little has changed in medication since 1994

Treatment-resistant may mean deep-seated trauma

Definitions of psychedelics, psychedelic-assisted treatment

Ketamine, MDMA, psilocybin

Efficacy for treatment with ketamine, MDMA, psilocybin for trauma and depression

The speed of building trust and moving into the working phase with these treatments

Safety concerns and side effects with ketamine, psilocybin, and MDMA

Boundaries and safety for therapists (as well as clients) during these treatments

The vulnerability during these treatments

Self-assessment for mental health providers whether they should work in this space

The importance of doing your own psychedelic treatment before being a therapist in this work

Client-perceptions of clinicians doing their own psychedelic work (or publicly owning their story)

The increasing acceptance of these types of treatments – the treatments becoming more mainstream

Psilocybin – in trials for FDA approval for trauma treatment, but may be legalized before it is medicalized and used for treatment

Medicalization versus legalization conversation

The problems with medical THC (including making symptoms worse and psychotic breaks)

Micro-dosing efficacy and risks and whether they should be managed by a doctor

The importance of assessing sleep and substance use/abuse

Abyss stories – how Dr. Heacock started telling these stories and the power of these stories


Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Craig Heacock, MD Website
Back from the Abyss Podcast
Interview with Lisa Ling
Laura Northrup Inside Eyes Podcast
 Article: Self-admitted psychedelic use and association with psychedelic culture harm perceptions of researchers’ scientific integrit</description>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Craig Heacock, M.D.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy
An interview with Dr. Craig Heacock, M.D., about innovative treatments in psychiatry. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Heacock about psychedelic-assisted therapy – looking at efficacy, safety, and risks for these promising treatments (ketamine, psilocybin, and MDMA) for depression and trauma. We also discuss the debate about medicalization versus legalization of these substances. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Craig Heacock, M.D.
Dr. Craig Heacock is an adolescent/adult psychiatrist and addiction specialist in Colorado as well as the co-producer and host of the psychiatric storytelling podcast Back from the Abyss. He was a therapist in the Phase 3 trial of MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy for PTSD and has particular interest in the use of ketamine and other psychedelics to treat severe mood disorders and PTSD. He is a graduate of the University of New Mexico School of Medicine and did his psychiatry training at Brown University.
In this episode we talk about:

The innovations in psychedelic-assisted therapy

Why it is so hard to find a good psychiatrist, especially one that goes beyond med checks

How psychiatry is changing, as well as how little has changed in medication since 1994

Treatment-resistant may mean deep-seated trauma

Definitions of psychedelics, psychedelic-assisted treatment

Ketamine, MDMA, psilocybin

Efficacy for treatment with ketamine, MDMA, psilocybin for trauma and depression

The speed of building trust and moving into the working phase with these treatments

Safety concerns and side effects with ketamine, psilocybin, and MDMA

Boundaries and safety for therapists (as well as clients) during these treatments

The vulnerability during these treatments

Self-assessment for mental health providers whether they should work in this space

The importance of doing your own psychedelic treatment before being a therapist in this work

Client-perceptions of clinicians doing their own psychedelic work (or publicly owning their story)

The increasing acceptance of these types of treatments – the treatments becoming more mainstream

Psilocybin – in trials for FDA approval for trauma treatment, but may be legalized before it is medicalized and used for treatment

Medicalization versus legalization conversation

The problems with medical THC (including making symptoms worse and psychotic breaks)

Micro-dosing efficacy and risks and whether they should be managed by a doctor

The importance of assessing sleep and substance use/abuse

Abyss stories – how Dr. Heacock started telling these stories and the power of these stories


Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Craig Heacock, MD Website
Back from the Abyss Podcast
Interview with Lisa Ling
Laura Northrup Inside Eyes Podcast
 Article: Self-admitted psychedelic use and association with psychedelic culture harm perceptions of researchers’ scientific integrit</itunes:summary>
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<li>The innovations in psychedelic-assisted therapy</li>
<li>Why it is so hard to find a good psychiatrist, especially one that goes beyond med checks</li>
<li>How psychiatry is changing, as well as how little has changed in medication since 1994</li>
<li>Treatment-resistant may mean deep-seated trauma</li>
<li>Definitions of psychedelics, psychedelic-assisted treatment</li>
<li>Ketamine, MDMA, psilocybin</li>
<li>Efficacy for treatment with ketamine, MDMA, psilocybin for trauma and depression</li>
<li>The speed of building trust and moving into the working phase with these treatments</li>
<li>Safety concerns and side effects with ketamine, psilocybin, and MDMA</li>
<li>Boundaries and safety for therapists (as well as clients) during these treatments</li>
<li>The vulnerability during these treatments</li>
<li>Self-assessment for mental health providers whether they should work in this space</li>
<li>The importance of doing your own psychedelic treatment before being a therapist in this work</li>
<li>Client-perceptions of clinicians doing their own psychedelic work (or publicly owning their story)</li>
<li>The increasing acceptance of these types of treatments – the treatments becoming more mainstream</li>
<li>Psilocybin – in trials for FDA approval for trauma treatment, but may be legalized before it is medicalized and used for treatment</li>
<li>Medicalization versus legalization conversation</li>
<li>The problems with medical THC (including making symptoms worse and psychotic breaks)</li>
<li>Micro-dosing efficacy and risks and whether they should be managed by a doctor</li>
<li>The importance of assessing sleep and substance use/abuse</li>
<li>Abyss stories – how Dr. Heacock started telling these stories and the power of these stories</li>
</ul><p><br></p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.craigheacockmd.com/">Craig Heacock, MD Website</a></p><p><a href="https://www.craigheacockmd.com/podcast-page/">Back from the Abyss Podcast</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/100044400190537/videos/1045304602633206">Interview with Lisa Ling</a></p><p><a href="https://www.lauramaenorthrup.com/inside-eyes-podcast">Laura Northrup Inside Eyes Podcast</a></p><p><a href="https://www.psypost.org/2021/02/self-admitted-psychedelic-use-and-association-with-psychedelic-culture-harm-perception-of-researchers-scientific-integrity-59545"> Article: Self-admitted psychedelic use and association with psychedelic culture harm perceptions of researchers’ scientific integrit</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Serious Mental Illness and Homelessness</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/serious-mental-illness-and-homelessness</link>
      <description>Serious Mental Illness and Homelessness
An interview with California State Senator Henry Stern and Dr. Curley Bonds, Chief Medical Officer for Los Angeles County Department of Mental Health about legislation and programmatic changes needed to better serve highly vulnerable individuals. Curt and Katie talk with both Senator Stern and Dr. Bonds about the limitations of Laura’s Law and the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act as well as the hope for stronger, more collaborative mental health initiatives for individuals grappling with serious mental illness and homelessness. We talk about the practical funding and workforce concerns as well as how to fix them while also supporting mental health professionals. 
Curley L. Bonds, M.D., oversees all clinical practices for the Los Angeles Country Department of Mental Health (LACDMH) as well as the full range of programs that function to engage and stabilize clients by bringing them into the Department’s community-based system of care.
In this episode we talk about:

Continuing our special series on Fixing Mental Healthcare in America

What the ideal mental health care can look like for individuals with serious mental illness, substance abuse treatment, and navigating homelessness

The siloed nature of services at present

The importance of consistent engagement and familiarity

Recovery-oriented and person-centered care

The importance of self-directed care

Wraparound services

The importance of engaging people with lived experience

Culturally responsive services

The current laws protect autonomy without the means to support people without capacity

The bureaucracy that is keeping people from getting the services they need

Changes to Laura’s Law and LPS Act that are needed to better serve individuals with grave disability or require conservatorship

Engagement, rights, and how to better serve individuals

Assisted Outpatient Treatment – how it can be best utilized and most effective

The ability to shift things through budget and regulatory changes

The understanding that current caseloads that are too high and the need to add resources

Alternatives to long term conservatorship

The willingness to invest in services and solutions

Balancing the tension between self-advocacy/self-determination versus providing care

Mental Health Advanced Directives as a tool to help with making these decisions

Who can and should be at the table in making these decisions

The desire to invest in people to provide services

Whether to invest and how to assess efficacy

The problem of the fragmented systems and communication about mental health advanced directives

The importance of education for people needing and providing care on the options

Looking at the benefits and “selling” the positive elements of assisted treatment

Letting clinicians do clinical work – why that’s important and ideas of how to make it work

Tracking outcomes effectively while diminishing bureaucracy

Looking at the most effective goals and outcomes for clients

Looking at unfunded mandates and how to support therapists and clients to get services without so much paper pushing and complicated outcomes

Having service providers at the table to create the programs effectively

Results-driven metrics and payment (the pros and cons)

Addressing policy and stigma

Looking at the problems with the current process for services and conservatorship

Ideas for redirecting funding and working in collaboration with law enforcement

How to take part in these efforts and weigh in on legislation, especially early in the process

Our reflections on the interviews and the next steps</description>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with California State Senator Henry Stern (D-Los Angeles) and Dr. Curley Bonds, Chief Medical Officer for Los Angeles County Department of Mental Health</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Serious Mental Illness and Homelessness
An interview with California State Senator Henry Stern and Dr. Curley Bonds, Chief Medical Officer for Los Angeles County Department of Mental Health about legislation and programmatic changes needed to better serve highly vulnerable individuals. Curt and Katie talk with both Senator Stern and Dr. Bonds about the limitations of Laura’s Law and the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act as well as the hope for stronger, more collaborative mental health initiatives for individuals grappling with serious mental illness and homelessness. We talk about the practical funding and workforce concerns as well as how to fix them while also supporting mental health professionals. 
Curley L. Bonds, M.D., oversees all clinical practices for the Los Angeles Country Department of Mental Health (LACDMH) as well as the full range of programs that function to engage and stabilize clients by bringing them into the Department’s community-based system of care.
In this episode we talk about:

Continuing our special series on Fixing Mental Healthcare in America

What the ideal mental health care can look like for individuals with serious mental illness, substance abuse treatment, and navigating homelessness

The siloed nature of services at present

The importance of consistent engagement and familiarity

Recovery-oriented and person-centered care

The importance of self-directed care

Wraparound services

The importance of engaging people with lived experience

Culturally responsive services

The current laws protect autonomy without the means to support people without capacity

The bureaucracy that is keeping people from getting the services they need

Changes to Laura’s Law and LPS Act that are needed to better serve individuals with grave disability or require conservatorship

Engagement, rights, and how to better serve individuals

Assisted Outpatient Treatment – how it can be best utilized and most effective

The ability to shift things through budget and regulatory changes

The understanding that current caseloads that are too high and the need to add resources

Alternatives to long term conservatorship

The willingness to invest in services and solutions

Balancing the tension between self-advocacy/self-determination versus providing care

Mental Health Advanced Directives as a tool to help with making these decisions

Who can and should be at the table in making these decisions

The desire to invest in people to provide services

Whether to invest and how to assess efficacy

The problem of the fragmented systems and communication about mental health advanced directives

The importance of education for people needing and providing care on the options

Looking at the benefits and “selling” the positive elements of assisted treatment

Letting clinicians do clinical work – why that’s important and ideas of how to make it work

Tracking outcomes effectively while diminishing bureaucracy

Looking at the most effective goals and outcomes for clients

Looking at unfunded mandates and how to support therapists and clients to get services without so much paper pushing and complicated outcomes

Having service providers at the table to create the programs effectively

Results-driven metrics and payment (the pros and cons)

Addressing policy and stigma

Looking at the problems with the current process for services and conservatorship

Ideas for redirecting funding and working in collaboration with law enforcement

How to take part in these efforts and weigh in on legislation, especially early in the process

Our reflections on the interviews and the next steps</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Serious Mental Illness and Homelessness</p><p>An interview with California State Senator Henry Stern and Dr. Curley Bonds, Chief Medical Officer for Los Angeles County Department of Mental Health about legislation and programmatic changes needed to better serve highly vulnerable individuals. Curt and Katie talk with both Senator Stern and Dr. Bonds about the limitations of Laura’s Law and the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act as well as the hope for stronger, more collaborative mental health initiatives for individuals grappling with serious mental illness and homelessness. We talk about the practical funding and workforce concerns as well as how to fix them while also supporting mental health professionals. </p><p>Curley L. Bonds, M.D., oversees all clinical practices for the Los Angeles Country Department of Mental Health (LACDMH) as well as the full range of programs that function to engage and stabilize clients by bringing them into the Department’s community-based system of care.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Continuing our special series on Fixing Mental Healthcare in America</li>
<li>What the ideal mental health care can look like for individuals with serious mental illness, substance abuse treatment, and navigating homelessness</li>
<li>The siloed nature of services at present</li>
<li>The importance of consistent engagement and familiarity</li>
<li>Recovery-oriented and person-centered care</li>
<li>The importance of self-directed care</li>
<li>Wraparound services</li>
<li>The importance of engaging people with lived experience</li>
<li>Culturally responsive services</li>
<li>The current laws protect autonomy without the means to support people without capacity</li>
<li>The bureaucracy that is keeping people from getting the services they need</li>
<li>Changes to Laura’s Law and LPS Act that are needed to better serve individuals with grave disability or require conservatorship</li>
<li>Engagement, rights, and how to better serve individuals</li>
<li>Assisted Outpatient Treatment – how it can be best utilized and most effective</li>
<li>The ability to shift things through budget and regulatory changes</li>
<li>The understanding that current caseloads that are too high and the need to add resources</li>
<li>Alternatives to long term conservatorship</li>
<li>The willingness to invest in services and solutions</li>
<li>Balancing the tension between self-advocacy/self-determination versus providing care</li>
<li>Mental Health Advanced Directives as a tool to help with making these decisions</li>
<li>Who can and should be at the table in making these decisions</li>
<li>The desire to invest in people to provide services</li>
<li>Whether to invest and how to assess efficacy</li>
<li>The problem of the fragmented systems and communication about mental health advanced directives</li>
<li>The importance of education for people needing and providing care on the options</li>
<li>Looking at the benefits and “selling” the positive elements of assisted treatment</li>
<li>Letting clinicians do clinical work – why that’s important and ideas of how to make it work</li>
<li>Tracking outcomes effectively while diminishing bureaucracy</li>
<li>Looking at the most effective goals and outcomes for clients</li>
<li>Looking at unfunded mandates and how to support therapists and clients to get services without so much paper pushing and complicated outcomes</li>
<li>Having service providers at the table to create the programs effectively</li>
<li>Results-driven metrics and payment (the pros and cons)</li>
<li>Addressing policy and stigma</li>
<li>Looking at the problems with the current process for services and conservatorship</li>
<li>Ideas for redirecting funding and working in collaboration with law enforcement</li>
<li>How to take part in these efforts and weigh in on legislation, especially early in the process</li>
<li>Our reflections on the interviews and the next steps</li>
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      <title>Fixing Mental Healthcare in America</title>
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An interview with Dr. Nicole Eberhart and Dr. Ryan McBain from the RAND Corporation. Curt and Katie kick of their special series related to the problems and potential solutions in the mental healthcare system. We interview Drs. Eberhart and McBain about the study they authored related to the structural concerns in the mental health system as it is currently built and their recommendations for solutions and best practices going forward.
Nicole Eberhart, PhD is a Senior Behavioral Scientist at the RAND Corporation and a licensed clinical psychologist whose research and evaluation focuses on mental health. She has expertise in health program evaluation, prevention and early intervention, health services and systems, and innovative care models including those that integrate primary and behavioral health care. Dr. Eberhart been evaluating mental health programs and policies in California and nationally for over a decade.
Ryan K. McBain is a policy researcher at the RAND Corporation. He focuses on the design and evaluation of health policies and programs meant to reach vulnerable populations—including those coping with mental health conditions, HIV/AIDS, homelessness, and poverty. To achieve this, McBain has utilized a wide range of methodologies, including econometric approaches for quasi-experimental analysis, cost-effectiveness analysis, and decision analytic models, as well as key informant interviews and focus group discussions. Internationally, McBain has worked with the World Bank, World Health Organization, Harvard University and Partners In Health, where he has focused on evaluating mental health, HIV, and primary care service delivery systems, primarily in sub-Saharan Africa and Haiti. McBain holds a Ph.D. and M.P.H. in global health with concentrations in health economics and health policy analysis from Harvard University, as well as a B.A. in psychology from Gordon College and Oxford University in the United Kingdom.
In this episode we talk about:

Introducing our new series on Fixing Mental Healthcare in America

RAND corporation report on the mental health system

Structural issues in the current mental health system

Work force issues, lack of professionals, poor distribution across communities

Payment issues – Mental Health providers are not paid as well as other medical providers

The problem of fee for service, government insurance programs, and private pay

Culture problem – historical lack of value of mental health, stigma and de-prioritization of mental health

Lack of educational programs for mental health, lack of consistent, effective crisis response

The idea of increasing wages for entry level positions

Peer Support Specialists as another way to expand mental health workforce

The importance of lived experience and the professionalization of the peer support specialist profession (for example certification)

The idea of paying for value rather than paying for services

Focusing on prevention rather than costly emergency services

The need for legislators to make changes

The costs of not fixing the mental healthcare system

An evidence-based continuum of care

Taking a big picture approach (looking at the cost for services and the cost for society)</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Fixing Mental Healthcare in America: An interview with Dr. Ryan McBain and Dr. Nicole Eberhart from the RAND Corporation</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/8e7e5870-690e-11ed-9001-4766827c6263/image/Episode_205.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Nicole Eberhart and Dr. Ryan McBain from the RAND Corporation</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Fixing Mental Healthcare in America
An interview with Dr. Nicole Eberhart and Dr. Ryan McBain from the RAND Corporation. Curt and Katie kick of their special series related to the problems and potential solutions in the mental healthcare system. We interview Drs. Eberhart and McBain about the study they authored related to the structural concerns in the mental health system as it is currently built and their recommendations for solutions and best practices going forward.
Nicole Eberhart, PhD is a Senior Behavioral Scientist at the RAND Corporation and a licensed clinical psychologist whose research and evaluation focuses on mental health. She has expertise in health program evaluation, prevention and early intervention, health services and systems, and innovative care models including those that integrate primary and behavioral health care. Dr. Eberhart been evaluating mental health programs and policies in California and nationally for over a decade.
Ryan K. McBain is a policy researcher at the RAND Corporation. He focuses on the design and evaluation of health policies and programs meant to reach vulnerable populations—including those coping with mental health conditions, HIV/AIDS, homelessness, and poverty. To achieve this, McBain has utilized a wide range of methodologies, including econometric approaches for quasi-experimental analysis, cost-effectiveness analysis, and decision analytic models, as well as key informant interviews and focus group discussions. Internationally, McBain has worked with the World Bank, World Health Organization, Harvard University and Partners In Health, where he has focused on evaluating mental health, HIV, and primary care service delivery systems, primarily in sub-Saharan Africa and Haiti. McBain holds a Ph.D. and M.P.H. in global health with concentrations in health economics and health policy analysis from Harvard University, as well as a B.A. in psychology from Gordon College and Oxford University in the United Kingdom.
In this episode we talk about:

Introducing our new series on Fixing Mental Healthcare in America

RAND corporation report on the mental health system

Structural issues in the current mental health system

Work force issues, lack of professionals, poor distribution across communities

Payment issues – Mental Health providers are not paid as well as other medical providers

The problem of fee for service, government insurance programs, and private pay

Culture problem – historical lack of value of mental health, stigma and de-prioritization of mental health

Lack of educational programs for mental health, lack of consistent, effective crisis response

The idea of increasing wages for entry level positions

Peer Support Specialists as another way to expand mental health workforce

The importance of lived experience and the professionalization of the peer support specialist profession (for example certification)

The idea of paying for value rather than paying for services

Focusing on prevention rather than costly emergency services

The need for legislators to make changes

The costs of not fixing the mental healthcare system

An evidence-based continuum of care

Taking a big picture approach (looking at the cost for services and the cost for society)</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Fixing Mental Healthcare in America</p><p>An interview with Dr. Nicole Eberhart and Dr. Ryan McBain from the RAND Corporation. Curt and Katie kick of their special series related to the problems and potential solutions in the mental healthcare system. We interview Drs. Eberhart and McBain about the study they authored related to the structural concerns in the mental health system as it is currently built and their recommendations for solutions and best practices going forward.</p><p>Nicole Eberhart, PhD is a Senior Behavioral Scientist at the RAND Corporation and a licensed clinical psychologist whose research and evaluation focuses on mental health. She has expertise in health program evaluation, prevention and early intervention, health services and systems, and innovative care models including those that integrate primary and behavioral health care. Dr. Eberhart been evaluating mental health programs and policies in California and nationally for over a decade.</p><p>Ryan K. McBain is a policy researcher at the RAND Corporation. He focuses on the design and evaluation of health policies and programs meant to reach vulnerable populations—including those coping with mental health conditions, HIV/AIDS, homelessness, and poverty. To achieve this, McBain has utilized a wide range of methodologies, including econometric approaches for quasi-experimental analysis, cost-effectiveness analysis, and decision analytic models, as well as key informant interviews and focus group discussions. Internationally, McBain has worked with the World Bank, World Health Organization, Harvard University and Partners In Health, where he has focused on evaluating mental health, HIV, and primary care service delivery systems, primarily in sub-Saharan Africa and Haiti. McBain holds a Ph.D. and M.P.H. in global health with concentrations in health economics and health policy analysis from Harvard University, as well as a B.A. in psychology from Gordon College and Oxford University in the United Kingdom.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Introducing our new series on Fixing Mental Healthcare in America</li>
<li>RAND corporation report on the mental health system</li>
<li>Structural issues in the current mental health system</li>
<li>Work force issues, lack of professionals, poor distribution across communities</li>
<li>Payment issues – Mental Health providers are not paid as well as other medical providers</li>
<li>The problem of fee for service, government insurance programs, and private pay</li>
<li>Culture problem – historical lack of value of mental health, stigma and de-prioritization of mental health</li>
<li>Lack of educational programs for mental health, lack of consistent, effective crisis response</li>
<li>The idea of increasing wages for entry level positions</li>
<li>Peer Support Specialists as another way to expand mental health workforce</li>
<li>The importance of lived experience and the professionalization of the peer support specialist profession (for example certification)</li>
<li>The idea of paying for value rather than paying for services</li>
<li>Focusing on prevention rather than costly emergency services</li>
<li>The need for legislators to make changes</li>
<li>The costs of not fixing the mental healthcare system</li>
<li>An evidence-based continuum of care</li>
<li>Taking a big picture approach (looking at the cost for services and the cost for society)</li>
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      <title>It’s NOT a Chemical Imbalance </title>
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An interview with Dr. Kristen Syme on the situational and cultural impacts on depression. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Syme about the role anthropology can play in helping to challenge long held assumptions in psychology. We look at conceptualizations for depression and suicidality and how the over focus (in the Western world) on the individual as the agent for mental health and wellness. We talk about how the chemical imbalance model doesn’t hold up as well as better explanations for depression and suicidality.  
In this episode we talk about:

Syme’s research and how she is working to challenging assumptions

The lack of attention on networks and systems and an over-focus on “the self” as an agent for mental health and wellness

How psychological pain is signaling us that there are things in our environment that are unhealthy for us

Depression and psychological pain are not just within us, but also around us

What is wrong with the idea of “chemical imbalance” model

Adversity causes depression

The problem of saying “there’s a pill for that”

The work case for depression research

Ethical issues related to medicating away depression or psychological pain

How non-western cultures address psychological pain

There is “not a direct translation for depression in any other language” – Kristen Syme

The internal idea of the imbalance of black bile that leads directly through the ages to the concept of imbalance of serotonin

How other cultures talk about depression and situations, with more refined, specific language

How our language creates our reality around depression and how broadly we define it

How common depression (as broadly defined) is in the modern world

The lack of evidence for a “chemical imbalance”

How big pharma has impacted the conceptualization of depression

The inadequacy of treatment based on this conceptualization

The causes of suicidality: sexual assault, forced marriages, abuse

The problem of trivializing “seeking attention”

The tendency of coming up with “the theory”

Looking at how people might be better served by the mental health system

The importance of creativity and novelty in identifying better treatment

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Article: Mental health is biological health: Why tackling “diseases of the mind” is an imperative for biological anthropology in the 21st century
Dr. Kristen Syme on Twitter
 Dr. Kristen Syme on Google Scholar
 
Relevant Episodes:
 Burnout or Depression
 Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
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Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s NOT a Chemical Imbalance
An interview with Dr. Kristen Syme on the situational and cultural impacts on depression. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Syme about the role anthropology can play in helping to challenge long held assumptions in psychology. We look at conceptualizations for depression and suicidality and how the over focus (in the Western world) on the individual as the agent for mental health and wellness. We talk about how the chemical imbalance model doesn’t hold up as well as better explanations for depression and suicidality.  
In this episode we talk about:

Syme’s research and how she is working to challenging assumptions

The lack of attention on networks and systems and an over-focus on “the self” as an agent for mental health and wellness

How psychological pain is signaling us that there are things in our environment that are unhealthy for us

Depression and psychological pain are not just within us, but also around us

What is wrong with the idea of “chemical imbalance” model

Adversity causes depression

The problem of saying “there’s a pill for that”

The work case for depression research

Ethical issues related to medicating away depression or psychological pain

How non-western cultures address psychological pain

There is “not a direct translation for depression in any other language” – Kristen Syme

The internal idea of the imbalance of black bile that leads directly through the ages to the concept of imbalance of serotonin

How other cultures talk about depression and situations, with more refined, specific language

How our language creates our reality around depression and how broadly we define it

How common depression (as broadly defined) is in the modern world

The lack of evidence for a “chemical imbalance”

How big pharma has impacted the conceptualization of depression

The inadequacy of treatment based on this conceptualization

The causes of suicidality: sexual assault, forced marriages, abuse

The problem of trivializing “seeking attention”

The tendency of coming up with “the theory”

Looking at how people might be better served by the mental health system

The importance of creativity and novelty in identifying better treatment

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Article: Mental health is biological health: Why tackling “diseases of the mind” is an imperative for biological anthropology in the 21st century
Dr. Kristen Syme on Twitter
 Dr. Kristen Syme on Google Scholar
 
Relevant Episodes:
 Burnout or Depression
 Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s NOT a Chemical Imbalance</p><p>An interview with Dr. Kristen Syme on the situational and cultural impacts on depression. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Syme about the role anthropology can play in helping to challenge long held assumptions in psychology. We look at conceptualizations for depression and suicidality and how the over focus (in the Western world) on the individual as the agent for mental health and wellness. We talk about how the chemical imbalance model doesn’t hold up as well as better explanations for depression and suicidality.  </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Syme’s research and how she is working to challenging assumptions</li>
<li>The lack of attention on networks and systems and an over-focus on “the self” as an agent for mental health and wellness</li>
<li>How psychological pain is signaling us that there are things in our environment that are unhealthy for us</li>
<li>Depression and psychological pain are not just within us, but also around us</li>
<li>What is wrong with the idea of “chemical imbalance” model</li>
<li>Adversity causes depression</li>
<li>The problem of saying “there’s a pill for that”</li>
<li>The work case for depression research</li>
<li>Ethical issues related to medicating away depression or psychological pain</li>
<li>How non-western cultures address psychological pain</li>
<li>There is “not a direct translation for depression in any other language” – Kristen Syme</li>
<li>The internal idea of the imbalance of black bile that leads directly through the ages to the concept of imbalance of serotonin</li>
<li>How other cultures talk about depression and situations, with more refined, specific language</li>
<li>How our language creates our reality around depression and how broadly we define it</li>
<li>How common depression (as broadly defined) is in the modern world</li>
<li>The lack of evidence for a “chemical imbalance”</li>
<li>How big pharma has impacted the conceptualization of depression</li>
<li>The inadequacy of treatment based on this conceptualization</li>
<li>The causes of suicidality: sexual assault, forced marriages, abuse</li>
<li>The problem of trivializing “seeking attention”</li>
<li>The tendency of coming up with “the theory”</li>
<li>Looking at how people might be better served by the mental health system</li>
<li>The importance of creativity and novelty in identifying better treatment</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>Article: <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.23965">Mental health is biological health: Why tackling “diseases of the mind” is an imperative for biological anthropology in the 21st century</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/kristensyme">Dr. Kristen Syme on Twitter</a></p><p><a href="https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=T2nb-v4AAAAJ&amp;hl=en&amp;oi=ao"> Dr. Kristen Syme on Google Scholar</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/burnout-or-depression/"> Burnout or Depression</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/is-therapy-an-opiate-of-the-masses/"> Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Partners of Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/partners-of-therapists</link>
      <description>Partners of Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about how our job and training can impact our partners. We look at the benefits like emotional intelligence, resilience, and perspective. We also look at the challenges therapists and their partners face when trying to navigate being in relationship while one partner is navigating this career. Suggestions about how to navigate conversations and confidentiality as well as possibilities for improving relationships are discussed.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The impact of being a therapist on long-term relationships/partnerships

The insight into people and relationships that can be a benefit of partnering with a therapist

Expecting that the therapist will be the expert or do the emotional lifting

The concern that therapists overanalyze their relationships (don’t therapize me!)

Therapists breaking down characters in movies and books and ruining things for our partners

Positive communication and being able to navigate challenging conversations

The desire to talk about the relationship more frequently than our partners

The potential of differences when you start a relationship as a therapist or whether you start prior to becoming a therapist

Using our training to do what “successful couples” do

What might be different if one were to approach dating or starting relationships later

The challenge of not being able to talk about work at the end of the day (confidentiality)

Specific parameters around how to talk about one’s day (process versus content)

When partners aren’t part of our field, they don’t understand how our field works or what our job entails

The difficulty of processing trauma, countertransference, empathy fatigue

Gaps in the relationships with our partners related to partners not being able to process and handle challenging material

The challenge of leaving work at work, being able to relate to other people at the end of the day

The impact of the pandemic on childcare and balance of parenting and coparenting

Therapist dissociation and self-care

When our profession is overtaxed and we are overtaxed, our partners and kids can get pushed to the side

What therapists’ partners might need to be successful in these relationships

The lack of resources and resilience during the pandemic

The difficulty those who are in relationships with therapists understanding that they are human and that we are not always able to cope.

How our knowledge and resourcefulness can help with us taking care of ourselves and meeting the needs of our partners

The gratitude and love that we can share with our partners when we see how things go wrong

Our capacity to have challenging conversations to improve relationships

Emotional intelligence and perspective, self-awareness

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Our Facebook Group
Relevant Episodes:
 Dating as a Therapist
 Therapy with an Audience
 Off Duty Therapist
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <itunes:title>Partners of Therapists</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Partners of Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about how our job and training can impact our partners. We look at the benefits like emotional intelligence, resilience, and perspective. We also look at the challenges therapists and their partners face when trying to navigate being in relationship while one partner is navigating this career. Suggestions about how to navigate conversations and confidentiality as well as possibilities for improving relationships are discussed.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The impact of being a therapist on long-term relationships/partnerships

The insight into people and relationships that can be a benefit of partnering with a therapist

Expecting that the therapist will be the expert or do the emotional lifting

The concern that therapists overanalyze their relationships (don’t therapize me!)

Therapists breaking down characters in movies and books and ruining things for our partners

Positive communication and being able to navigate challenging conversations

The desire to talk about the relationship more frequently than our partners

The potential of differences when you start a relationship as a therapist or whether you start prior to becoming a therapist

Using our training to do what “successful couples” do

What might be different if one were to approach dating or starting relationships later

The challenge of not being able to talk about work at the end of the day (confidentiality)

Specific parameters around how to talk about one’s day (process versus content)

When partners aren’t part of our field, they don’t understand how our field works or what our job entails

The difficulty of processing trauma, countertransference, empathy fatigue

Gaps in the relationships with our partners related to partners not being able to process and handle challenging material

The challenge of leaving work at work, being able to relate to other people at the end of the day

The impact of the pandemic on childcare and balance of parenting and coparenting

Therapist dissociation and self-care

When our profession is overtaxed and we are overtaxed, our partners and kids can get pushed to the side

What therapists’ partners might need to be successful in these relationships

The lack of resources and resilience during the pandemic

The difficulty those who are in relationships with therapists understanding that they are human and that we are not always able to cope.

How our knowledge and resourcefulness can help with us taking care of ourselves and meeting the needs of our partners

The gratitude and love that we can share with our partners when we see how things go wrong

Our capacity to have challenging conversations to improve relationships

Emotional intelligence and perspective, self-awareness

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Our Facebook Group
Relevant Episodes:
 Dating as a Therapist
 Therapy with an Audience
 Off Duty Therapist
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>Partners of Therapists</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how our job and training can impact our partners. We look at the benefits like emotional intelligence, resilience, and perspective. We also look at the challenges therapists and their partners face when trying to navigate being in relationship while one partner is navigating this career. Suggestions about how to navigate conversations and confidentiality as well as possibilities for improving relationships are discussed.    </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The impact of being a therapist on long-term relationships/partnerships</li>
<li>The insight into people and relationships that can be a benefit of partnering with a therapist</li>
<li>Expecting that the therapist will be the expert or do the emotional lifting</li>
<li>The concern that therapists overanalyze their relationships (don’t therapize me!)</li>
<li>Therapists breaking down characters in movies and books and ruining things for our partners</li>
<li>Positive communication and being able to navigate challenging conversations</li>
<li>The desire to talk about the relationship more frequently than our partners</li>
<li>The potential of differences when you start a relationship as a therapist or whether you start prior to becoming a therapist</li>
<li>Using our training to do what “successful couples” do</li>
<li>What might be different if one were to approach dating or starting relationships later</li>
<li>The challenge of not being able to talk about work at the end of the day (confidentiality)</li>
<li>Specific parameters around how to talk about one’s day (process versus content)</li>
<li>When partners aren’t part of our field, they don’t understand how our field works or what our job entails</li>
<li>The difficulty of processing trauma, countertransference, empathy fatigue</li>
<li>Gaps in the relationships with our partners related to partners not being able to process and handle challenging material</li>
<li>The challenge of leaving work at work, being able to relate to other people at the end of the day</li>
<li>The impact of the pandemic on childcare and balance of parenting and coparenting</li>
<li>Therapist dissociation and self-care</li>
<li>When our profession is overtaxed and we are overtaxed, our partners and kids can get pushed to the side</li>
<li>What therapists’ partners might need to be successful in these relationships</li>
<li>The lack of resources and resilience during the pandemic</li>
<li>The difficulty those who are in relationships with therapists understanding that they are human and that we are not always able to cope.</li>
<li>How our knowledge and resourcefulness can help with us taking care of ourselves and meeting the needs of our partners</li>
<li>The gratitude and love that we can share with our partners when we see how things go wrong</li>
<li>Our capacity to have challenging conversations to improve relationships</li>
<li>Emotional intelligence and perspective, self-awareness</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">Our Facebook Group</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/dating-as-a-therapist/"> Dating as a Therapist</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapy-with-an-audience/"> Therapy with an Audience</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/off-duty-therapist/"> Off Duty Therapist</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021</a></p><p> Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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An interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT, about how to support bilingual, bicultural therapists. Curt and Katie talk with Adriana about her experiences as a clinician as well as her perception of the systemic concerns that bilingual/bicultural therapists face. We also dig into common work challenges for these clinicians, the ethical and competency concerns monolingual supervisors face, and specific action steps for individuals and organizations to increase the quality of supervision and training for these clinicians.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT (She/Her/Ella)
Adriana Rodriguez (She/Her/Ella) is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, she obtained a BA in Sociology from Sacramento State and a MA in Counseling Psychology from the University of San Francisco. Adriana is a bilingual, queer, Salvadorian immigrant woman who is passionate about destigmatizing mental health. Adriana’s lens is intersectional, she is passionate about understanding how intergenerational trauma compounded with personal trauma impacts the mental health of first-generation adult children of immigrants and QTBIPOC. Adriana works with individuals and dyads in private practice in Sacramento, CA.
In this episode we talk about:

Adriana’s story as a bilingual, bicultural therapist who immigrated from El Salvador

Experiences of immigration, learning English, and trauma

Criticism, bias, and navigating a different culture

The impacts of uninformed supervision on bilingual or monolingual clients

The requirement to build one’s own tools (i.e., translating documents)

What is getting lost in translation – linguistic, cultural, etc.

The importance of understanding context

The power differential within the clinical supervision

How do I level the playing field and share the power?

Sharing knowledge (rather than seeing the supervisor as the only person who has knowledge in the relationship)

Acknowledging and talking about differences

Ethical concerns and supervisor responsibility

The systemic challenges that bilingual clinicians can face in getting hired or promoted

The need for greater diversity in leadership roles

The idea of “first generation everything”

The make up of the job for bilingual clinicians

Survivor guilt – immigrating, learning English, education, and making it professionally

The identification and desire to empower clients that remind you of yourself, your family members

The exploitation of that desire by agencies who do not have sufficient bilingual clinicians

How frequently bilingual clinicians have large caseloads and not sufficient compensation or matching or curating of caseloads

The risk for burnout for these clinicians

The complexity of translation

The need for more research around the impacts of monolingual supervisors providing supervision on bilingual clinicians (as well as the impacts on monolingual or bilingual clients)

The constant need for self-awareness and re-examining your bias

Making sure to understand the differences between personality and culture

Adjusting case conceptualization, looking at the triad of supervisor-clinician-client</description>
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      <itunes:title>Bilingual Supervision: An interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Bilingual Supervision
An interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT, about how to support bilingual, bicultural therapists. Curt and Katie talk with Adriana about her experiences as a clinician as well as her perception of the systemic concerns that bilingual/bicultural therapists face. We also dig into common work challenges for these clinicians, the ethical and competency concerns monolingual supervisors face, and specific action steps for individuals and organizations to increase the quality of supervision and training for these clinicians.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT (She/Her/Ella)
Adriana Rodriguez (She/Her/Ella) is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, she obtained a BA in Sociology from Sacramento State and a MA in Counseling Psychology from the University of San Francisco. Adriana is a bilingual, queer, Salvadorian immigrant woman who is passionate about destigmatizing mental health. Adriana’s lens is intersectional, she is passionate about understanding how intergenerational trauma compounded with personal trauma impacts the mental health of first-generation adult children of immigrants and QTBIPOC. Adriana works with individuals and dyads in private practice in Sacramento, CA.
In this episode we talk about:

Adriana’s story as a bilingual, bicultural therapist who immigrated from El Salvador

Experiences of immigration, learning English, and trauma

Criticism, bias, and navigating a different culture

The impacts of uninformed supervision on bilingual or monolingual clients

The requirement to build one’s own tools (i.e., translating documents)

What is getting lost in translation – linguistic, cultural, etc.

The importance of understanding context

The power differential within the clinical supervision

How do I level the playing field and share the power?

Sharing knowledge (rather than seeing the supervisor as the only person who has knowledge in the relationship)

Acknowledging and talking about differences

Ethical concerns and supervisor responsibility

The systemic challenges that bilingual clinicians can face in getting hired or promoted

The need for greater diversity in leadership roles

The idea of “first generation everything”

The make up of the job for bilingual clinicians

Survivor guilt – immigrating, learning English, education, and making it professionally

The identification and desire to empower clients that remind you of yourself, your family members

The exploitation of that desire by agencies who do not have sufficient bilingual clinicians

How frequently bilingual clinicians have large caseloads and not sufficient compensation or matching or curating of caseloads

The risk for burnout for these clinicians

The complexity of translation

The need for more research around the impacts of monolingual supervisors providing supervision on bilingual clinicians (as well as the impacts on monolingual or bilingual clients)

The constant need for self-awareness and re-examining your bias

Making sure to understand the differences between personality and culture

Adjusting case conceptualization, looking at the triad of supervisor-clinician-client</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bilingual Supervision</p><p>An interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT, about how to support bilingual, bicultural therapists. Curt and Katie talk with Adriana about her experiences as a clinician as well as her perception of the systemic concerns that bilingual/bicultural therapists face. We also dig into common work challenges for these clinicians, the ethical and competency concerns monolingual supervisors face, and specific action steps for individuals and organizations to increase the quality of supervision and training for these clinicians.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Adriana Rodriguez, LMFT (She/Her/Ella)</p><p>Adriana Rodriguez (She/Her/Ella) is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, she obtained a BA in Sociology from Sacramento State and a MA in Counseling Psychology from the University of San Francisco. Adriana is a bilingual, queer, Salvadorian immigrant woman who is passionate about destigmatizing mental health. Adriana’s lens is intersectional, she is passionate about understanding how intergenerational trauma compounded with personal trauma impacts the mental health of first-generation adult children of immigrants and QTBIPOC. Adriana works with individuals and dyads in private practice in Sacramento, CA.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Adriana’s story as a bilingual, bicultural therapist who immigrated from El Salvador</li>
<li>Experiences of immigration, learning English, and trauma</li>
<li>Criticism, bias, and navigating a different culture</li>
<li>The impacts of uninformed supervision on bilingual or monolingual clients</li>
<li>The requirement to build one’s own tools (i.e., translating documents)</li>
<li>What is getting lost in translation – linguistic, cultural, etc.</li>
<li>The importance of understanding context</li>
<li>The power differential within the clinical supervision</li>
<li>How do I level the playing field and share the power?</li>
<li>Sharing knowledge (rather than seeing the supervisor as the only person who has knowledge in the relationship)</li>
<li>Acknowledging and talking about differences</li>
<li>Ethical concerns and supervisor responsibility</li>
<li>The systemic challenges that bilingual clinicians can face in getting hired or promoted</li>
<li>The need for greater diversity in leadership roles</li>
<li>The idea of “first generation everything”</li>
<li>The make up of the job for bilingual clinicians</li>
<li>Survivor guilt – immigrating, learning English, education, and making it professionally</li>
<li>The identification and desire to empower clients that remind you of yourself, your family members</li>
<li>The exploitation of that desire by agencies who do not have sufficient bilingual clinicians</li>
<li>How frequently bilingual clinicians have large caseloads and not sufficient compensation or matching or curating of caseloads</li>
<li>The risk for burnout for these clinicians</li>
<li>The complexity of translation</li>
<li>The need for more research around the impacts of monolingual supervisors providing supervision on bilingual clinicians (as well as the impacts on monolingual or bilingual clients)</li>
<li>The constant need for self-awareness and re-examining your bias</li>
<li>Making sure to understand the differences between personality and culture</li>
<li>Adjusting case conceptualization, looking at the triad of supervisor-clinician-client</li>
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      <title>Therapy with an Audience</title>
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      <description>Therapy with an Audience
An interview with Doug Friedman, LCSW, the host of Your Mental Breakdown, on why he chose to record therapy sessions for his podcast. Curt and Katie talk with Doug about the logistics and benefits of publicly providing therapy. We also look at how podcasting can decrease stigma and open up flexibility to learn as a therapist (rather than rigidly holding to a modality or to an expert status that doesn’t allow for mistakes).
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Doug Friedman, LCSW
Doug Friedman is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in private practice in Los Angeles. He has spent nearly 20 years working with adults, adolescents and families with issues ranging from depression and anxiety to substance abuse, bipolar disorder and PTSD. He has supervised programs in community mental health settings and he continues to provide clinical supervision to therapists in his private group practice, Clear Mind Full Heart. Doug is the creator and co-host of the mental health/entertainment podcast, Your Mental Breakdown.
Doug received a Masters in Social Work from The Catholic University of America and a BA in Study of Religion from UCLA. Before becoming a psychotherapist, Doug worked for a music management company that oversaw bands like Nirvana, Foo Fighters, Beastie Boys, and Bonnie Raitt. Doug is also the artist and songwriter behind all the music heard on the podcast, Your Mental Breakdown.
In this episode we talk about:

Doug’s mission of normalizing therapy and decreasing mental health stigma

The importance of learning as a therapist and exploring mistakes or alternatives

The experience of being a therapist on a public-facing podcast

Why Doug doesn’t hold a modality sacred

How therapy serves the client as a focus for treatment

The logistics of setting up the podcast (laws, ethics, etc.)

Navigating the relationship with the client on the podcast (dual relationships, confidentiality)

The benefit of recording sessions and reviewing them later

Exploration of opportunities and different choices that we can make in the room

Cohost rapport and trust, inquiry, love, disagreement, calling out

The comfort level in being recorded for a podcast: shifting from one on one to a public audience

Creating a system to keep the work of making the podcast sustainable

Being vulnerable and authentic as a value

Being an expert does not mean having the right answer in the room, but knowing how to find the answer and seek additional advice

How other clients respond to Doug’s podcast

The possibility of the public persona and “fame”</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapy with an Audience: An interview with Doug Friedman, LCSW</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Doug Friedman, LCSW, host of Your Mental Breakdown</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Therapy with an Audience
An interview with Doug Friedman, LCSW, the host of Your Mental Breakdown, on why he chose to record therapy sessions for his podcast. Curt and Katie talk with Doug about the logistics and benefits of publicly providing therapy. We also look at how podcasting can decrease stigma and open up flexibility to learn as a therapist (rather than rigidly holding to a modality or to an expert status that doesn’t allow for mistakes).
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Doug Friedman, LCSW
Doug Friedman is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in private practice in Los Angeles. He has spent nearly 20 years working with adults, adolescents and families with issues ranging from depression and anxiety to substance abuse, bipolar disorder and PTSD. He has supervised programs in community mental health settings and he continues to provide clinical supervision to therapists in his private group practice, Clear Mind Full Heart. Doug is the creator and co-host of the mental health/entertainment podcast, Your Mental Breakdown.
Doug received a Masters in Social Work from The Catholic University of America and a BA in Study of Religion from UCLA. Before becoming a psychotherapist, Doug worked for a music management company that oversaw bands like Nirvana, Foo Fighters, Beastie Boys, and Bonnie Raitt. Doug is also the artist and songwriter behind all the music heard on the podcast, Your Mental Breakdown.
In this episode we talk about:

Doug’s mission of normalizing therapy and decreasing mental health stigma

The importance of learning as a therapist and exploring mistakes or alternatives

The experience of being a therapist on a public-facing podcast

Why Doug doesn’t hold a modality sacred

How therapy serves the client as a focus for treatment

The logistics of setting up the podcast (laws, ethics, etc.)

Navigating the relationship with the client on the podcast (dual relationships, confidentiality)

The benefit of recording sessions and reviewing them later

Exploration of opportunities and different choices that we can make in the room

Cohost rapport and trust, inquiry, love, disagreement, calling out

The comfort level in being recorded for a podcast: shifting from one on one to a public audience

Creating a system to keep the work of making the podcast sustainable

Being vulnerable and authentic as a value

Being an expert does not mean having the right answer in the room, but knowing how to find the answer and seek additional advice

How other clients respond to Doug’s podcast

The possibility of the public persona and “fame”</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Therapy with an Audience</p><p>An interview with Doug Friedman, LCSW, the host of Your Mental Breakdown, on why he chose to record therapy sessions for his podcast. Curt and Katie talk with Doug about the logistics and benefits of publicly providing therapy. We also look at how podcasting can decrease stigma and open up flexibility to learn as a therapist (rather than rigidly holding to a modality or to an expert status that doesn’t allow for mistakes).</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Doug Friedman, LCSW</p><p>Doug Friedman is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in private practice in Los Angeles. He has spent nearly 20 years working with adults, adolescents and families with issues ranging from depression and anxiety to substance abuse, bipolar disorder and PTSD. He has supervised programs in community mental health settings and he continues to provide clinical supervision to therapists in his private group practice, Clear Mind Full Heart. Doug is the creator and co-host of the mental health/entertainment podcast, <a href="https://www.yourmentalbreakdown.com/">Your Mental Breakdown</a>.</p><p>Doug received a Masters in Social Work from The Catholic University of America and a BA in Study of Religion from UCLA. Before becoming a psychotherapist, Doug worked for a music management company that oversaw bands like Nirvana, Foo Fighters, Beastie Boys, and Bonnie Raitt. Doug is also the artist and songwriter behind all the music heard on the podcast, Your Mental Breakdown.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Doug’s mission of normalizing therapy and decreasing mental health stigma</li>
<li>The importance of learning as a therapist and exploring mistakes or alternatives</li>
<li>The experience of being a therapist on a public-facing podcast</li>
<li>Why Doug doesn’t hold a modality sacred</li>
<li>How therapy serves the client as a focus for treatment</li>
<li>The logistics of setting up the podcast (laws, ethics, etc.)</li>
<li>Navigating the relationship with the client on the podcast (dual relationships, confidentiality)</li>
<li>The benefit of recording sessions and reviewing them later</li>
<li>Exploration of opportunities and different choices that we can make in the room</li>
<li>Cohost rapport and trust, inquiry, love, disagreement, calling out</li>
<li>The comfort level in being recorded for a podcast: shifting from one on one to a public audience</li>
<li>Creating a system to keep the work of making the podcast sustainable</li>
<li>Being vulnerable and authentic as a value</li>
<li>Being an expert does not mean having the right answer in the room, but knowing how to find the answer and seek additional advice</li>
<li>How other clients respond to Doug’s podcast</li>
<li>The possibility of the public persona and “fame”</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 200</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/episode-200</link>
      <description>Episode 200: Mail Bag!
Curt and Katie reflect on 200 episodes, answer questions and respond to feedback from listeners. We explore the tension between making a good living and providing affordable mental health care to consumers. We dig into paying prelicensed individuals, antitrust concerns, training centers, ethics codes, app therapy, setting fees, and therapist career trajectories.        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Celebrating 200 episodes!

Question about how to make money and help to provide affordable access to clients

Systemic challenges and the phases of change to the system

Individual responsibility and the problems of this individual responsibility to therapists

The way in which we can take action to make our careers more sustainable, while also advocating for change

The debate about unpaid internships, training centers, and free labor (which is against the law)

Online App Therapy – whether it is hurting the field and gaslighting therapists

Sliding scale, setting fees, and why therapists’ rates vary so widely

Why people don’t stay therapists, feel the need to become a thought leader

Reflections on 200 episodes

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 CAMFT’s statement on Paying Prelicensees as a Best Practice
Department of Labor Statement on Internship Programs
 Robert Casares Jr. (2020): Embracing the Podcast Era: Trends, Opportunities, &amp; Implications for Counselors, Journal of Creativity in Mental Health, DOI: 10.1080/15401383.2020.1816865</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Episode 200: Mail Bag</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Mail Bag</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Episode 200: Mail Bag!
Curt and Katie reflect on 200 episodes, answer questions and respond to feedback from listeners. We explore the tension between making a good living and providing affordable mental health care to consumers. We dig into paying prelicensed individuals, antitrust concerns, training centers, ethics codes, app therapy, setting fees, and therapist career trajectories.        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Celebrating 200 episodes!

Question about how to make money and help to provide affordable access to clients

Systemic challenges and the phases of change to the system

Individual responsibility and the problems of this individual responsibility to therapists

The way in which we can take action to make our careers more sustainable, while also advocating for change

The debate about unpaid internships, training centers, and free labor (which is against the law)

Online App Therapy – whether it is hurting the field and gaslighting therapists

Sliding scale, setting fees, and why therapists’ rates vary so widely

Why people don’t stay therapists, feel the need to become a thought leader

Reflections on 200 episodes

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 CAMFT’s statement on Paying Prelicensees as a Best Practice
Department of Labor Statement on Internship Programs
 Robert Casares Jr. (2020): Embracing the Podcast Era: Trends, Opportunities, &amp; Implications for Counselors, Journal of Creativity in Mental Health, DOI: 10.1080/15401383.2020.1816865</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Episode 200: Mail Bag!</p><p>Curt and Katie reflect on 200 episodes, answer questions and respond to feedback from listeners. We explore the tension between making a good living and providing affordable mental health care to consumers. We dig into paying prelicensed individuals, antitrust concerns, training centers, ethics codes, app therapy, setting fees, and therapist career trajectories.        </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Celebrating 200 episodes!</li>
<li>Question about how to make money and help to provide affordable access to clients</li>
<li>Systemic challenges and the phases of change to the system</li>
<li>Individual responsibility and the problems of this individual responsibility to therapists</li>
<li>The way in which we can take action to make our careers more sustainable, while also advocating for change</li>
<li>The debate about unpaid internships, training centers, and free labor (which is against the law)</li>
<li>Online App Therapy – whether it is hurting the field and gaslighting therapists</li>
<li>Sliding scale, setting fees, and why therapists’ rates vary so widely</li>
<li>Why people don’t stay therapists, feel the need to become a thought leader</li>
<li>Reflections on 200 episodes</li>
</ul><p> Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.camft.org/Membership/About-Us/Association-Documents/Statement-on-Paying-Associates"> CAMFT’s statement on Paying Prelicensees as a Best Practice</a></p><p><a href="https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/71-flsa-internships">Department of Labor Statement on Internship Programs</a></p><ol><li><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15401383.2020.1816865"> Robert Casares Jr. (2020): Embracing the Podcast Era: Trends, Opportunities, &amp; Implications for Counselors, Journal of Creativity in Mental Health, DOI: 10.1080/15401383.2020.1816865</a></li></ol>]]>
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      <title>Why Therapists Quit Part 2</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/why-therapists-quit-part-2</link>
      <description>Why Therapists Quit Part 2
Curt and Katie chat about the response from listeners to our episode on why therapists quit. We look at the differences in responses (those who felt angry and those who felt validated) as well as our reasons for doubling down. We also dig into the differences between pessimism and realism, pairing our realistic take on the current problems with a call to action that aspires to change the systemic problems we’ve started to outline.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Responding to listener feedback on  Why Therapists Quit


The critical feedback we received related to the “negative tone” we put forward

The positive feedback from listeners who felt seen

The different stages of individuals’ careers and how they responded

Assessing whether we are doing the profession a disservice by speaking the truth of our experiences and the problems we see in the profession

How the knowledge of the information that this job is hard can impact the relationships with our clients, consultees, supervisees, etc.

“Saving Psychotherapy” by Dr. Ben Caldwell

The individual responsibility that clinicians are taking for systemic issues

The problem when we don’t understand the system before we’re deep into the career

The expectation that therapists must be good all of the time – which is unrealistic

How we’re looking for ways to improve the therapy system, the mental health profession, etc.

The responsibility we feel to help change

How critical it is to frame the problem before you can solve

Why it is important to opt in to a job, warts and all

The problem of idealizing the profession

Our plan for a new series that talks about the state of mental health care

Differentiating between realism and pessimism

The values systems for therapists that can be challenged by the system

The response from therapists who may be more pessimistic than Curt and Katie are at this time

A call to action to reach critical mass in order to make a change

The people who don’t make it into the profession for many different reasons

The shifts in the smaller systems (improving work environments)

Whether our clients listen and what they might think about what we’re talking about

Our responsibility in our role in this podcast, to make the profession better

How we’ll be moving forward in an upcoming series, looking for solutions</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Why Therapists Quit Part 2</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the response from listeners </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why Therapists Quit Part 2
Curt and Katie chat about the response from listeners to our episode on why therapists quit. We look at the differences in responses (those who felt angry and those who felt validated) as well as our reasons for doubling down. We also dig into the differences between pessimism and realism, pairing our realistic take on the current problems with a call to action that aspires to change the systemic problems we’ve started to outline.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Responding to listener feedback on  Why Therapists Quit


The critical feedback we received related to the “negative tone” we put forward

The positive feedback from listeners who felt seen

The different stages of individuals’ careers and how they responded

Assessing whether we are doing the profession a disservice by speaking the truth of our experiences and the problems we see in the profession

How the knowledge of the information that this job is hard can impact the relationships with our clients, consultees, supervisees, etc.

“Saving Psychotherapy” by Dr. Ben Caldwell

The individual responsibility that clinicians are taking for systemic issues

The problem when we don’t understand the system before we’re deep into the career

The expectation that therapists must be good all of the time – which is unrealistic

How we’re looking for ways to improve the therapy system, the mental health profession, etc.

The responsibility we feel to help change

How critical it is to frame the problem before you can solve

Why it is important to opt in to a job, warts and all

The problem of idealizing the profession

Our plan for a new series that talks about the state of mental health care

Differentiating between realism and pessimism

The values systems for therapists that can be challenged by the system

The response from therapists who may be more pessimistic than Curt and Katie are at this time

A call to action to reach critical mass in order to make a change

The people who don’t make it into the profession for many different reasons

The shifts in the smaller systems (improving work environments)

Whether our clients listen and what they might think about what we’re talking about

Our responsibility in our role in this podcast, to make the profession better

How we’ll be moving forward in an upcoming series, looking for solutions</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Why Therapists Quit Part 2</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the response from listeners to our episode on why therapists quit. We look at the differences in responses (those who felt angry and those who felt validated) as well as our reasons for doubling down. We also dig into the differences between pessimism and realism, pairing our realistic take on the current problems with a call to action that aspires to change the systemic problems we’ve started to outline.    </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Responding to listener feedback on <a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/why-therapists-quit/"> Why Therapists Quit</a>
</li>
<li>The critical feedback we received related to the “negative tone” we put forward</li>
<li>The positive feedback from listeners who felt seen</li>
<li>The different stages of individuals’ careers and how they responded</li>
<li>Assessing whether we are doing the profession a disservice by speaking the truth of our experiences and the problems we see in the profession</li>
<li>How the knowledge of the information that this job is hard can impact the relationships with our clients, consultees, supervisees, etc.</li>
<li>“Saving Psychotherapy” by Dr. Ben Caldwell</li>
<li>The individual responsibility that clinicians are taking for systemic issues</li>
<li>The problem when we don’t understand the system before we’re deep into the career</li>
<li>The expectation that therapists must be good all of the time – which is unrealistic</li>
<li>How we’re looking for ways to improve the therapy system, the mental health profession, etc.</li>
<li>The responsibility we feel to help change</li>
<li>How critical it is to frame the problem before you can solve</li>
<li>Why it is important to opt in to a job, warts and all</li>
<li>The problem of idealizing the profession</li>
<li>Our plan for a new series that talks about the state of mental health care</li>
<li>Differentiating between realism and pessimism</li>
<li>The values systems for therapists that can be challenged by the system</li>
<li>The response from therapists who may be more pessimistic than Curt and Katie are at this time</li>
<li>A call to action to reach critical mass in order to make a change</li>
<li>The people who don’t make it into the profession for many different reasons</li>
<li>The shifts in the smaller systems (improving work environments)</li>
<li>Whether our clients listen and what they might think about what we’re talking about</li>
<li>Our responsibility in our role in this podcast, to make the profession better</li>
<li>How we’ll be moving forward in an upcoming series, looking for solutions</li>
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      <title>Infertility and Pregnancy Loss</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/infertility-and-pregnancy-loss</link>
      <description>Infertility and Pregnancy Loss
An interview with Tracy Gilmour-Nimoy, LMFT, on understanding infertility as well as pregnancy and infant loss. Curt and Katie interview Tracy, a certified perinatal mental health professional, on what the medical and mental health professions often miss related to reproductive health and pregnancy. We dig into the basics and common mistakes as well as the harm caused when therapists are uninformed. We explore trauma, grief, and the invisibility of these common struggles faced by some who want to have children. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Tracy Gilmour-Nimoy, LMFT and Certified Perinatal Mental Health Professional
Tracy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified Perinatal Mental Health Professional. She has a group practice in San Diego, CA, where she specializes in working with individuals who have experiences of trauma, depression, anxiety, reproductive mental health, perinatal mental health, maternal mental health, paternal mental health, grief, loss, life transitions, and relational challenges, to name a few. In addition to her love of mental health, Tracy is an avid reader and writer. Her articles have appeared on her mental health blog and other public forums, such as Scary Mommy. She writes about varying mental health topics, as well as her personal experiences of infant loss, grief, and trauma. To learn more about Tracy, connect with her on Instagram @TGNtherapy
In this episode we talk about:

What we missed in our episode about navigating pregnancy

How hidden infertility and pregnancy loss is in society, how the conversation is taboo

The lack of trauma-informed care within the medical field

The problems of assumptions around fertility and whether people want children

The way that common questions can be triggering and traumatizing

How dismissive of the grief people are when it deals with infant and pregnancy loss

The rose-tinted lenses that hurt women during the whole process of getting pregnant and having a baby

How hidden it is and how little discussed are all the stages of women’s development

The gaps in therapist training related to infertility and pregnancy/infant loss

The focus on the baby versus the parent

Ideas for advocacy within the educational and medical systems

The discomfort with sitting with these types of experiences and losses

The tendency of people wanting to fix it and move forward without accounting for loss and recognizing when it cannot be fixed

The shadow losses and losses of an absence

Holding space for grief and loss, for how horrible it is

What therapists need to know about infertility

The importance of understanding the medical terminology, the financial burden, the emotional implications of the fertility process

The internal focus on how the body works and what to do for your body

The identity aspects related to motherhood or not becoming a mother

What therapists need to know about pregnancy and infancy loss

The perception of the death of their child

Traditions to honor the child who didn’t come home

The importance of remembering dates for individuals who have infant and pregnancy loss

Acknowledging loss, using language or names that are relevant

Honoring how they view their parental status after a loss</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Tracy Gilmour-Nimoy, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
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An interview with Tracy Gilmour-Nimoy, LMFT, on understanding infertility as well as pregnancy and infant loss. Curt and Katie interview Tracy, a certified perinatal mental health professional, on what the medical and mental health professions often miss related to reproductive health and pregnancy. We dig into the basics and common mistakes as well as the harm caused when therapists are uninformed. We explore trauma, grief, and the invisibility of these common struggles faced by some who want to have children. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Tracy Gilmour-Nimoy, LMFT and Certified Perinatal Mental Health Professional
Tracy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified Perinatal Mental Health Professional. She has a group practice in San Diego, CA, where she specializes in working with individuals who have experiences of trauma, depression, anxiety, reproductive mental health, perinatal mental health, maternal mental health, paternal mental health, grief, loss, life transitions, and relational challenges, to name a few. In addition to her love of mental health, Tracy is an avid reader and writer. Her articles have appeared on her mental health blog and other public forums, such as Scary Mommy. She writes about varying mental health topics, as well as her personal experiences of infant loss, grief, and trauma. To learn more about Tracy, connect with her on Instagram @TGNtherapy
In this episode we talk about:

What we missed in our episode about navigating pregnancy

How hidden infertility and pregnancy loss is in society, how the conversation is taboo

The lack of trauma-informed care within the medical field

The problems of assumptions around fertility and whether people want children

The way that common questions can be triggering and traumatizing

How dismissive of the grief people are when it deals with infant and pregnancy loss

The rose-tinted lenses that hurt women during the whole process of getting pregnant and having a baby

How hidden it is and how little discussed are all the stages of women’s development

The gaps in therapist training related to infertility and pregnancy/infant loss

The focus on the baby versus the parent

Ideas for advocacy within the educational and medical systems

The discomfort with sitting with these types of experiences and losses

The tendency of people wanting to fix it and move forward without accounting for loss and recognizing when it cannot be fixed

The shadow losses and losses of an absence

Holding space for grief and loss, for how horrible it is

What therapists need to know about infertility

The importance of understanding the medical terminology, the financial burden, the emotional implications of the fertility process

The internal focus on how the body works and what to do for your body

The identity aspects related to motherhood or not becoming a mother

What therapists need to know about pregnancy and infancy loss

The perception of the death of their child

Traditions to honor the child who didn’t come home

The importance of remembering dates for individuals who have infant and pregnancy loss

Acknowledging loss, using language or names that are relevant

Honoring how they view their parental status after a loss</itunes:summary>
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<li>What we missed in our episode about navigating pregnancy</li>
<li>How hidden infertility and pregnancy loss is in society, how the conversation is taboo</li>
<li>The lack of trauma-informed care within the medical field</li>
<li>The problems of assumptions around fertility and whether people want children</li>
<li>The way that common questions can be triggering and traumatizing</li>
<li>How dismissive of the grief people are when it deals with infant and pregnancy loss</li>
<li>The rose-tinted lenses that hurt women during the whole process of getting pregnant and having a baby</li>
<li>How hidden it is and how little discussed are all the stages of women’s development</li>
<li>The gaps in therapist training related to infertility and pregnancy/infant loss</li>
<li>The focus on the baby versus the parent</li>
<li>Ideas for advocacy within the educational and medical systems</li>
<li>The discomfort with sitting with these types of experiences and losses</li>
<li>The tendency of people wanting to fix it and move forward without accounting for loss and recognizing when it cannot be fixed</li>
<li>The shadow losses and losses of an absence</li>
<li>Holding space for grief and loss, for how horrible it is</li>
<li>What therapists need to know about infertility</li>
<li>The importance of understanding the medical terminology, the financial burden, the emotional implications of the fertility process</li>
<li>The internal focus on how the body works and what to do for your body</li>
<li>The identity aspects related to motherhood or not becoming a mother</li>
<li>What therapists need to know about pregnancy and infancy loss</li>
<li>The perception of the death of their child</li>
<li>Traditions to honor the child who didn’t come home</li>
<li>The importance of remembering dates for individuals who have infant and pregnancy loss</li>
<li>Acknowledging loss, using language or names that are relevant</li>
<li>Honoring how they view their parental status after a loss</li>
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      <title>Why Therapists Quit</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/why-therapists-quit</link>
      <description>Why Therapists Quit
Curt and Katie chat about the systemic reasons that therapists leave the profession. We look at the work environment, the infrastructure of community mental health, as well as the frequent ways that therapists set up their own private practices. We also identify changes on a systems level as well as calls to actions for individuals who would like to continue as a therapist.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Challenges in the mental health system leading to therapists quitting the profession

Why therapists don’t stay therapists when they wanted to stay therapists

Obstacles and lack of opportunities

The lack of quality of supervision or inadequate training for other elements of the job

The lack of research on therapist workforce issues

Not a lot of empathy for therapists as we “chose” to do this

Caseload sizes, the weight of carrying the challenges of many people

Niche fatigue and hearing the same story over and over

The challenge of holding the hope for clients and communities

The heaviness and the boredom of hearing so many similar conversations

The full workload including paperwork and other consultations, case management and advocacy

Who is drawn to the work, the desire for deep and meaningful work, and the problems of the bureaucratic system in providing meaningful work

The training doesn’t match the actual job

The status quo and inertia in the work, while at the same time that all the changes that happen in the other pieces of the profession

Productivity standards and billing, differences in philosophy

Systemic problems with under and unpaid services and requirements

What we’re asking from the professional organizations and the challenges that professional organizations may have in advocating for these types of systemic changes

What could actually move forward in legislation

The issues related to antitrust

People are more concerned about our patients than about therapists

Why clinicians in all settings (including community mental health, private practice, etc.)

The sameness of the workload when you’re in private practice

The isolation as a therapist

Increased demands with higher demand, less delineated work/life balance

The appeal of a job where you can just show up

The weight we carry as business owners, including decision-making and responsibility to generate income

The benefit of diversifying your caseload

Calls to action: advocating for quality workplaces, finding peer support, setting boundaries for yourself throughout your professional journey, what we can do if enough of us make these changes

The time is now to address mental health systemic problems – shining a light on how we are well-situated, making sure we are paid, and sharing messages to support the community</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Why Therapists Quit</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the reasons therapists leave the profession</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Why Therapists Quit
Curt and Katie chat about the systemic reasons that therapists leave the profession. We look at the work environment, the infrastructure of community mental health, as well as the frequent ways that therapists set up their own private practices. We also identify changes on a systems level as well as calls to actions for individuals who would like to continue as a therapist.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Challenges in the mental health system leading to therapists quitting the profession

Why therapists don’t stay therapists when they wanted to stay therapists

Obstacles and lack of opportunities

The lack of quality of supervision or inadequate training for other elements of the job

The lack of research on therapist workforce issues

Not a lot of empathy for therapists as we “chose” to do this

Caseload sizes, the weight of carrying the challenges of many people

Niche fatigue and hearing the same story over and over

The challenge of holding the hope for clients and communities

The heaviness and the boredom of hearing so many similar conversations

The full workload including paperwork and other consultations, case management and advocacy

Who is drawn to the work, the desire for deep and meaningful work, and the problems of the bureaucratic system in providing meaningful work

The training doesn’t match the actual job

The status quo and inertia in the work, while at the same time that all the changes that happen in the other pieces of the profession

Productivity standards and billing, differences in philosophy

Systemic problems with under and unpaid services and requirements

What we’re asking from the professional organizations and the challenges that professional organizations may have in advocating for these types of systemic changes

What could actually move forward in legislation

The issues related to antitrust

People are more concerned about our patients than about therapists

Why clinicians in all settings (including community mental health, private practice, etc.)

The sameness of the workload when you’re in private practice

The isolation as a therapist

Increased demands with higher demand, less delineated work/life balance

The appeal of a job where you can just show up

The weight we carry as business owners, including decision-making and responsibility to generate income

The benefit of diversifying your caseload

Calls to action: advocating for quality workplaces, finding peer support, setting boundaries for yourself throughout your professional journey, what we can do if enough of us make these changes

The time is now to address mental health systemic problems – shining a light on how we are well-situated, making sure we are paid, and sharing messages to support the community</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Why Therapists Quit</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the systemic reasons that therapists leave the profession. We look at the work environment, the infrastructure of community mental health, as well as the frequent ways that therapists set up their own private practices. We also identify changes on a systems level as well as calls to actions for individuals who would like to continue as a therapist.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Challenges in the mental health system leading to therapists quitting the profession</li>
<li>Why therapists don’t stay therapists when they wanted to stay therapists</li>
<li>Obstacles and lack of opportunities</li>
<li>The lack of quality of supervision or inadequate training for other elements of the job</li>
<li>The lack of research on therapist workforce issues</li>
<li>Not a lot of empathy for therapists as we “chose” to do this</li>
<li>Caseload sizes, the weight of carrying the challenges of many people</li>
<li>Niche fatigue and hearing the same story over and over</li>
<li>The challenge of holding the hope for clients and communities</li>
<li>The heaviness and the boredom of hearing so many similar conversations</li>
<li>The full workload including paperwork and other consultations, case management and advocacy</li>
<li>Who is drawn to the work, the desire for deep and meaningful work, and the problems of the bureaucratic system in providing meaningful work</li>
<li>The training doesn’t match the actual job</li>
<li>The status quo and inertia in the work, while at the same time that all the changes that happen in the other pieces of the profession</li>
<li>Productivity standards and billing, differences in philosophy</li>
<li>Systemic problems with under and unpaid services and requirements</li>
<li>What we’re asking from the professional organizations and the challenges that professional organizations may have in advocating for these types of systemic changes</li>
<li>What could actually move forward in legislation</li>
<li>The issues related to antitrust</li>
<li>People are more concerned about our patients than about therapists</li>
<li>Why clinicians in all settings (including community mental health, private practice, etc.)</li>
<li>The sameness of the workload when you’re in private practice</li>
<li>The isolation as a therapist</li>
<li>Increased demands with higher demand, less delineated work/life balance</li>
<li>The appeal of a job where you can just show up</li>
<li>The weight we carry as business owners, including decision-making and responsibility to generate income</li>
<li>The benefit of diversifying your caseload</li>
<li>Calls to action: advocating for quality workplaces, finding peer support, setting boundaries for yourself throughout your professional journey, what we can do if enough of us make these changes</li>
<li>The time is now to address mental health systemic problems – shining a light on how we are well-situated, making sure we are paid, and sharing messages to support the community</li>
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      <title>Mental Health Entrepreneurship</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/mental-health-entrepreneurship</link>
      <description>Mental Health Entrepreneurship
An interview with Lawrence E. Shapiro, Ph.D. about lessons learned through serial entrepreneurship. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Shapiro about how to identify whether your idea for a product or service is good, the importance of solving a problem, and what business models are strongest for therapists. He also talks with us about why we shouldn’t fall in love with our products, why we shouldn't expect to make money writing books, and why building apps don’t make sense. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Lawrence E. Shapiro, PhD
Lawrence E. Shapiro is an internationally known psychologist, recognized for his innovative and practical approach to helping people with mental health problems. Dr Shapiro has written more than 75 books and developed more than 100 therapeutic board and card games. His work has been published in 28 languages.
Dr. Shapiro has developed a broad understanding of mental health problems in various professional positions as a teacher of emotionally disturbed teens, a school psychologist, a Director at the National Children’s Center in Washington D.C., and in private practice in Washington DC and Philadelphia.
Dr. Shapiro is also considered a pioneer in using technology to address mental health problems. He has developed a number of apps for mobile devices, including an award-winning app to help prevent suicide among military personnel. He is the Founder and President of Between Sessions Resources, a company that develops clinical software for therapists and counselors and publishes therapeutic homework that professionals give to their clients to accelerate their growth.
Dr. Shapiro’s books include:
For Parents: How to Raise a Child with a High EQ: A Parents’ Guide to Emotional Intelligence; The Secret Language of Children; The Baby Emergency Handbook
For Kids and Teens: The ADHD Workbook for Kids; I’m Not Bad, I’m Just Mad, Stopping the Pain: A Workbook for Teens Who Cut and Self-Injure
For Adults: Overcoming Depression, The Panic Disorder Workbook, Taking Care of Your Mental Health During the COVID-19 Pandemic
Dr. Shapiro is a frequent media guest, and has appeared on CNN, NPR, The Today Show, and many other national and local outlets.
In this episode we talk about:

Shapiro’s forays into entrepreneurship and alternate revenue streams

The importance of getting used to making mistakes

The lack of follow through that leave ideas as ideas (and not businesses or products)

The need to actually be solving a problem, not pursuing an interest

Finding something that has value to other people

Writing books and self-publishing

The goal for self-publishing a book (it’s not the profit)

A book as a business card

Strongest business models

The need for on-going work and learning as an entrepreneur

Protecting your work (copywriting, registered copywriting, trademarking)

Ideas are just ideas and may not actually need protecting

The perspective of improving on what others have done, rather than coming up with a unique idea or doing what has “never been done before”

An iterative process to find your product, incremental innovation

Leveraging the success of others

How to learn what to do, following the recipe of what is worked

Selling a business and moving onto the next idea

Different places that people can shine – ideas, implementation, marketing

The benefit of having partners to have different skill sets

Marketing as building your platform and audience

Why Dr. Shapiro advocates for email marketing

The concept of a sales funnel and adding value along the way</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Mental Health Entrepreneurship: An interview with Lawrence E. Shapiro, Ph.D.</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/9146fd50-690e-11ed-9001-03f6f836ab66/image/Episode_196.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Lawrence E. Shapiro, Ph.D. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Mental Health Entrepreneurship
An interview with Lawrence E. Shapiro, Ph.D. about lessons learned through serial entrepreneurship. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Shapiro about how to identify whether your idea for a product or service is good, the importance of solving a problem, and what business models are strongest for therapists. He also talks with us about why we shouldn’t fall in love with our products, why we shouldn't expect to make money writing books, and why building apps don’t make sense. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Lawrence E. Shapiro, PhD
Lawrence E. Shapiro is an internationally known psychologist, recognized for his innovative and practical approach to helping people with mental health problems. Dr Shapiro has written more than 75 books and developed more than 100 therapeutic board and card games. His work has been published in 28 languages.
Dr. Shapiro has developed a broad understanding of mental health problems in various professional positions as a teacher of emotionally disturbed teens, a school psychologist, a Director at the National Children’s Center in Washington D.C., and in private practice in Washington DC and Philadelphia.
Dr. Shapiro is also considered a pioneer in using technology to address mental health problems. He has developed a number of apps for mobile devices, including an award-winning app to help prevent suicide among military personnel. He is the Founder and President of Between Sessions Resources, a company that develops clinical software for therapists and counselors and publishes therapeutic homework that professionals give to their clients to accelerate their growth.
Dr. Shapiro’s books include:
For Parents: How to Raise a Child with a High EQ: A Parents’ Guide to Emotional Intelligence; The Secret Language of Children; The Baby Emergency Handbook
For Kids and Teens: The ADHD Workbook for Kids; I’m Not Bad, I’m Just Mad, Stopping the Pain: A Workbook for Teens Who Cut and Self-Injure
For Adults: Overcoming Depression, The Panic Disorder Workbook, Taking Care of Your Mental Health During the COVID-19 Pandemic
Dr. Shapiro is a frequent media guest, and has appeared on CNN, NPR, The Today Show, and many other national and local outlets.
In this episode we talk about:

Shapiro’s forays into entrepreneurship and alternate revenue streams

The importance of getting used to making mistakes

The lack of follow through that leave ideas as ideas (and not businesses or products)

The need to actually be solving a problem, not pursuing an interest

Finding something that has value to other people

Writing books and self-publishing

The goal for self-publishing a book (it’s not the profit)

A book as a business card

Strongest business models

The need for on-going work and learning as an entrepreneur

Protecting your work (copywriting, registered copywriting, trademarking)

Ideas are just ideas and may not actually need protecting

The perspective of improving on what others have done, rather than coming up with a unique idea or doing what has “never been done before”

An iterative process to find your product, incremental innovation

Leveraging the success of others

How to learn what to do, following the recipe of what is worked

Selling a business and moving onto the next idea

Different places that people can shine – ideas, implementation, marketing

The benefit of having partners to have different skill sets

Marketing as building your platform and audience

Why Dr. Shapiro advocates for email marketing

The concept of a sales funnel and adding value along the way</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Mental Health Entrepreneurship</p><p>An interview with Lawrence E. Shapiro, Ph.D. about lessons learned through serial entrepreneurship. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Shapiro about how to identify whether your idea for a product or service is good, the importance of solving a problem, and what business models are strongest for therapists. He also talks with us about why we shouldn’t fall in love with our products, why we shouldn't expect to make money writing books, and why building apps don’t make sense. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Lawrence E. Shapiro, PhD</p><p>Lawrence E. Shapiro is an internationally known psychologist, recognized for his innovative and practical approach to helping people with mental health problems. Dr Shapiro has written more than 75 books and developed more than 100 therapeutic board and card games. His work has been published in 28 languages.</p><p>Dr. Shapiro has developed a broad understanding of mental health problems in various professional positions as a teacher of emotionally disturbed teens, a school psychologist, a Director at the National Children’s Center in Washington D.C., and in private practice in Washington DC and Philadelphia.</p><p>Dr. Shapiro is also considered a pioneer in using technology to address mental health problems. He has developed a number of apps for mobile devices, including an award-winning app to help prevent suicide among military personnel. He is the Founder and President of Between Sessions Resources, a company that develops clinical software for therapists and counselors and publishes therapeutic homework that professionals give to their clients to accelerate their growth.</p><p>Dr. Shapiro’s books include:</p><p>For Parents: How to Raise a Child with a High EQ: A Parents’ Guide to Emotional Intelligence; The Secret Language of Children; The Baby Emergency Handbook</p><p>For Kids and Teens: The ADHD Workbook for Kids; I’m Not Bad, I’m Just Mad, Stopping the Pain: A Workbook for Teens Who Cut and Self-Injure</p><p>For Adults: Overcoming Depression, The Panic Disorder Workbook, Taking Care of Your Mental Health During the COVID-19 Pandemic</p><p>Dr. Shapiro is a frequent media guest, and has appeared on CNN, NPR, The Today Show, and many other national and local outlets.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Shapiro’s forays into entrepreneurship and alternate revenue streams</li>
<li>The importance of getting used to making mistakes</li>
<li>The lack of follow through that leave ideas as ideas (and not businesses or products)</li>
<li>The need to actually be solving a problem, not pursuing an interest</li>
<li>Finding something that has value to other people</li>
<li>Writing books and self-publishing</li>
<li>The goal for self-publishing a book (it’s not the profit)</li>
<li>A book as a business card</li>
<li>Strongest business models</li>
<li>The need for on-going work and learning as an entrepreneur</li>
<li>Protecting your work (copywriting, registered copywriting, trademarking)</li>
<li>Ideas are just ideas and may not actually need protecting</li>
<li>The perspective of improving on what others have done, rather than coming up with a unique idea or doing what has “never been done before”</li>
<li>An iterative process to find your product, incremental innovation</li>
<li>Leveraging the success of others</li>
<li>How to learn what to do, following the recipe of what is worked</li>
<li>Selling a business and moving onto the next idea</li>
<li>Different places that people can shine – ideas, implementation, marketing</li>
<li>The benefit of having partners to have different skill sets</li>
<li>Marketing as building your platform and audience</li>
<li>Why Dr. Shapiro advocates for email marketing</li>
<li>The concept of a sales funnel and adding value along the way</li>
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      <title>Negotiating Sliding Scale</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/negotiating-sliding-scale</link>
      <description>Negotiating Sliding Scale
Curt and Katie chat about the pros and cons of sliding your fee for therapy services. We look at the theories around fee-setting, sliding fee scales, and conversations around money. We discuss what actually makes a difference in determining if clients are invested and will benefit from your services. We also dig into the laws, ethics, and practicalities if you choose to offer sliding scale in your practice. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Feedback from our conversation with Tiffany McLain

Clinical theories on how fee impacts the clinical relationship

The different ways that people enter into therapy, different financial situations, etc.

A more nuanced conversation about sliding scale fee

Freud’s views on having direct conversations with clients on fee

How clinical orientation can impact how therapists view fee-setting

The idea that fee must be set at an “uncomfortable enough” that clients invest in therapy

How fee paid impacts attending the last session

Different types of investments that might impact how much people benefit of treatment

Practical ways to assess what fee would be in the sweet spot for sliding scale (e.g., written out scale, financials, etc.)

Do therapists show up differently for clients who pay more or less?

How fees average out among larger caseloads

Incorporating outcome measures and practice-based evidence to assess whether you are showing up differently for clients who pay more or less

Mythology around what we have to do and what is best to do

Laws and ethics, practical considerations

Usual and Customary fees

Advertised fees

Philosophy related to how you set your fees

The impact of insurance on our profession related to sliding scale

Ethical codes on fee setting related to services provided and client ability to pay

Models of subsidy for mental health services

The need for a standard justification

The risks for insurance fraud related to fee-setting and accepting copays

The ability to adjust usual and customary fee as needed as long as it doesn’t violate state law

What we have to do and what the softer, virtue ethics might recommend

The importance of accurate billing and justification

The tension between the equity argument and the practicalities of business

Are you unfairly treating clients who are paying less?

The need for pro bono work, but not sliding scale work

The need for clinician-led discussions and opt-in from the client

Check your insurance contracts, advertise your fees correctly, written basis for a range of fees

Options for sliding scale

Other models for addressing access

How to create a sliding scale practically

Why you need to identify what you need to make on average per session

Moving your sliding scale or pro bono work outside of your practice

Our recommendations for Open Path Psychotherapy Collective and Give an Hour</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Negotiating Sliding Scale</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the pros and cons of sliding your fee for therapy services</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Negotiating Sliding Scale
Curt and Katie chat about the pros and cons of sliding your fee for therapy services. We look at the theories around fee-setting, sliding fee scales, and conversations around money. We discuss what actually makes a difference in determining if clients are invested and will benefit from your services. We also dig into the laws, ethics, and practicalities if you choose to offer sliding scale in your practice. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Feedback from our conversation with Tiffany McLain

Clinical theories on how fee impacts the clinical relationship

The different ways that people enter into therapy, different financial situations, etc.

A more nuanced conversation about sliding scale fee

Freud’s views on having direct conversations with clients on fee

How clinical orientation can impact how therapists view fee-setting

The idea that fee must be set at an “uncomfortable enough” that clients invest in therapy

How fee paid impacts attending the last session

Different types of investments that might impact how much people benefit of treatment

Practical ways to assess what fee would be in the sweet spot for sliding scale (e.g., written out scale, financials, etc.)

Do therapists show up differently for clients who pay more or less?

How fees average out among larger caseloads

Incorporating outcome measures and practice-based evidence to assess whether you are showing up differently for clients who pay more or less

Mythology around what we have to do and what is best to do

Laws and ethics, practical considerations

Usual and Customary fees

Advertised fees

Philosophy related to how you set your fees

The impact of insurance on our profession related to sliding scale

Ethical codes on fee setting related to services provided and client ability to pay

Models of subsidy for mental health services

The need for a standard justification

The risks for insurance fraud related to fee-setting and accepting copays

The ability to adjust usual and customary fee as needed as long as it doesn’t violate state law

What we have to do and what the softer, virtue ethics might recommend

The importance of accurate billing and justification

The tension between the equity argument and the practicalities of business

Are you unfairly treating clients who are paying less?

The need for pro bono work, but not sliding scale work

The need for clinician-led discussions and opt-in from the client

Check your insurance contracts, advertise your fees correctly, written basis for a range of fees

Options for sliding scale

Other models for addressing access

How to create a sliding scale practically

Why you need to identify what you need to make on average per session

Moving your sliding scale or pro bono work outside of your practice

Our recommendations for Open Path Psychotherapy Collective and Give an Hour</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Negotiating Sliding Scale</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the pros and cons of sliding your fee for therapy services. We look at the theories around fee-setting, sliding fee scales, and conversations around money. We discuss what actually makes a difference in determining if clients are invested and will benefit from your services. We also dig into the laws, ethics, and practicalities if you choose to offer sliding scale in your practice. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Feedback from our conversation with Tiffany McLain</li>
<li>Clinical theories on how fee impacts the clinical relationship</li>
<li>The different ways that people enter into therapy, different financial situations, etc.</li>
<li>A more nuanced conversation about sliding scale fee</li>
<li>Freud’s views on having direct conversations with clients on fee</li>
<li>How clinical orientation can impact how therapists view fee-setting</li>
<li>The idea that fee must be set at an “uncomfortable enough” that clients invest in therapy</li>
<li>How fee paid impacts attending the last session</li>
<li>Different types of investments that might impact how much people benefit of treatment</li>
<li>Practical ways to assess what fee would be in the sweet spot for sliding scale (e.g., written out scale, financials, etc.)</li>
<li>Do therapists show up differently for clients who pay more or less?</li>
<li>How fees average out among larger caseloads</li>
<li>Incorporating outcome measures and practice-based evidence to assess whether you are showing up differently for clients who pay more or less</li>
<li>Mythology around what we have to do and what is best to do</li>
<li>Laws and ethics, practical considerations</li>
<li>Usual and Customary fees</li>
<li>Advertised fees</li>
<li>Philosophy related to how you set your fees</li>
<li>The impact of insurance on our profession related to sliding scale</li>
<li>Ethical codes on fee setting related to services provided and client ability to pay</li>
<li>Models of subsidy for mental health services</li>
<li>The need for a standard justification</li>
<li>The risks for insurance fraud related to fee-setting and accepting copays</li>
<li>The ability to adjust usual and customary fee as needed as long as it doesn’t violate state law</li>
<li>What we have to do and what the softer, virtue ethics might recommend</li>
<li>The importance of accurate billing and justification</li>
<li>The tension between the equity argument and the practicalities of business</li>
<li>Are you unfairly treating clients who are paying less?</li>
<li>The need for pro bono work, but not sliding scale work</li>
<li>The need for clinician-led discussions and opt-in from the client</li>
<li>Check your insurance contracts, advertise your fees correctly, written basis for a range of fees</li>
<li>Options for sliding scale</li>
<li>Other models for addressing access</li>
<li>How to create a sliding scale practically</li>
<li>Why you need to identify what you need to make on average per session</li>
<li>Moving your sliding scale or pro bono work outside of your practice</li>
<li>Our recommendations for Open Path Psychotherapy Collective and Give an Hour</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Invisible and Scrutinized</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/invisible-and-scrutinized</link>
      <description>Invisible and Scrutinized
An interview with Dr. Sheila Modir on racial trauma and identity within the Middle Eastern North African (MENA) population. Curt and Katie talk with Sheila about how MENA individuals are impacted by racial profiling, prejudice, and the lack of data on the MENA community. We also explore typical coping strategies as well as how therapists can support MENA clients.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Sheila Modir
Dr. Sheila Modir is a pediatric psychologist at Children’s Hospital of Orange County (CHOC). She obtained a combined doctoral degree in Clinical, Counseling, and School Psychology at the University of California, Santa Barbara and her master’s degree in social welfare at UCLA. Prior to coming to CHOC, Dr. Modir completed her doctoral internship at the UCLA Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior where she worked at the UCLA Stress, Trauma, and Resilience Clinic. Her research interests include racial trauma and understanding risk and resilience factors in the context of trauma, and she has presented at conferences and published articles on this topic. Most recently, she has written a children’s book (coming fall 2021) called The Proudest Color, which is a timely and sensitive introduction to race, racism, and racial pride for children.
In this episode we talk about:

MENA (Middle Eastern and North African) clients

The common mistake of assuming that all MENA clients are Muslim

A lack of data on immigration and the demographics of these clients

The lack of clinical research and education on MENA clients

An invisible community that is greatly scrutinized due to profiling

The layers of racial trauma

Bronson Brenner’s ecological model: Sociopolitical discrimination, Institutional discrimination, Relational discrimination due to “cultural ignorance”

The consistent portrayal of MENA individuals as terrorists, the Middle East as war-torn

MENA individuals called terrorists versus white individuals called “lone wolves” who are “mentally ill”

The impact of how the insurrection in January is viewed as “white terrorism”

What influences racism and bias against MENA clients

The typical coping strategies for MENA clients related to racial trauma

Resignation, cowering, “getting used to it” leading to depression and anxiety

Coping strategies, including education and being a cultural representative

The contrast between the Asian American community pushing back against the “model minority” while MENA clients are aspiring to be a model minority

The importance of identification of MENA individuals on the census

How the Muslim Ban has impacted MENA individuals’ relationship with the government

Clients minimizing, denying, not disclosing racial trauma

The thirst for appropriate and accurate information on culture

The benefit of affinity groups

How non-MENA therapists can best support MENA clients

The nuance of asking a MENA client to educate you as a therapist

Collectivist culture and how it shows up in the room, how it can be complicated

The challenge of cultural sensitivity when there is little research

A call to action regarding research and education</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Invisible and Scrutinized: An interview with Dr. Sheila Modir</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Sheila Modir on Racial Trauma within the MENA community</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Invisible and Scrutinized
An interview with Dr. Sheila Modir on racial trauma and identity within the Middle Eastern North African (MENA) population. Curt and Katie talk with Sheila about how MENA individuals are impacted by racial profiling, prejudice, and the lack of data on the MENA community. We also explore typical coping strategies as well as how therapists can support MENA clients.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Sheila Modir
Dr. Sheila Modir is a pediatric psychologist at Children’s Hospital of Orange County (CHOC). She obtained a combined doctoral degree in Clinical, Counseling, and School Psychology at the University of California, Santa Barbara and her master’s degree in social welfare at UCLA. Prior to coming to CHOC, Dr. Modir completed her doctoral internship at the UCLA Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior where she worked at the UCLA Stress, Trauma, and Resilience Clinic. Her research interests include racial trauma and understanding risk and resilience factors in the context of trauma, and she has presented at conferences and published articles on this topic. Most recently, she has written a children’s book (coming fall 2021) called The Proudest Color, which is a timely and sensitive introduction to race, racism, and racial pride for children.
In this episode we talk about:

MENA (Middle Eastern and North African) clients

The common mistake of assuming that all MENA clients are Muslim

A lack of data on immigration and the demographics of these clients

The lack of clinical research and education on MENA clients

An invisible community that is greatly scrutinized due to profiling

The layers of racial trauma

Bronson Brenner’s ecological model: Sociopolitical discrimination, Institutional discrimination, Relational discrimination due to “cultural ignorance”

The consistent portrayal of MENA individuals as terrorists, the Middle East as war-torn

MENA individuals called terrorists versus white individuals called “lone wolves” who are “mentally ill”

The impact of how the insurrection in January is viewed as “white terrorism”

What influences racism and bias against MENA clients

The typical coping strategies for MENA clients related to racial trauma

Resignation, cowering, “getting used to it” leading to depression and anxiety

Coping strategies, including education and being a cultural representative

The contrast between the Asian American community pushing back against the “model minority” while MENA clients are aspiring to be a model minority

The importance of identification of MENA individuals on the census

How the Muslim Ban has impacted MENA individuals’ relationship with the government

Clients minimizing, denying, not disclosing racial trauma

The thirst for appropriate and accurate information on culture

The benefit of affinity groups

How non-MENA therapists can best support MENA clients

The nuance of asking a MENA client to educate you as a therapist

Collectivist culture and how it shows up in the room, how it can be complicated

The challenge of cultural sensitivity when there is little research

A call to action regarding research and education</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Invisible and Scrutinized</p><p>An interview with Dr. Sheila Modir on racial trauma and identity within the Middle Eastern North African (MENA) population. Curt and Katie talk with Sheila about how MENA individuals are impacted by racial profiling, prejudice, and the lack of data on the MENA community. We also explore typical coping strategies as well as how therapists can support MENA clients.    </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Sheila Modir</p><p>Dr. Sheila Modir is a pediatric psychologist at Children’s Hospital of Orange County (CHOC). She obtained a combined doctoral degree in Clinical, Counseling, and School Psychology at the University of California, Santa Barbara and her master’s degree in social welfare at UCLA. Prior to coming to CHOC, Dr. Modir completed her doctoral internship at the UCLA Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior where she worked at the UCLA Stress, Trauma, and Resilience Clinic. Her research interests include racial trauma and understanding risk and resilience factors in the context of trauma, and she has presented at conferences and published articles on this topic. Most recently, she has written a children’s book (coming fall 2021) called The Proudest Color, which is a timely and sensitive introduction to race, racism, and racial pride for children.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>MENA (Middle Eastern and North African) clients</li>
<li>The common mistake of assuming that all MENA clients are Muslim</li>
<li>A lack of data on immigration and the demographics of these clients</li>
<li>The lack of clinical research and education on MENA clients</li>
<li>An invisible community that is greatly scrutinized due to profiling</li>
<li>The layers of racial trauma</li>
<li>Bronson Brenner’s ecological model: Sociopolitical discrimination, Institutional discrimination, Relational discrimination due to “cultural ignorance”</li>
<li>The consistent portrayal of MENA individuals as terrorists, the Middle East as war-torn</li>
<li>MENA individuals called terrorists versus white individuals called “lone wolves” who are “mentally ill”</li>
<li>The impact of how the insurrection in January is viewed as “white terrorism”</li>
<li>What influences racism and bias against MENA clients</li>
<li>The typical coping strategies for MENA clients related to racial trauma</li>
<li>Resignation, cowering, “getting used to it” leading to depression and anxiety</li>
<li>Coping strategies, including education and being a cultural representative</li>
<li>The contrast between the Asian American community pushing back against the “model minority” while MENA clients are aspiring to be a model minority</li>
<li>The importance of identification of MENA individuals on the census</li>
<li>How the Muslim Ban has impacted MENA individuals’ relationship with the government</li>
<li>Clients minimizing, denying, not disclosing racial trauma</li>
<li>The thirst for appropriate and accurate information on culture</li>
<li>The benefit of affinity groups</li>
<li>How non-MENA therapists can best support MENA clients</li>
<li>The nuance of asking a MENA client to educate you as a therapist</li>
<li>Collectivist culture and how it shows up in the room, how it can be complicated</li>
<li>The challenge of cultural sensitivity when there is little research</li>
<li>A call to action regarding research and education</li>
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      <title>Understanding Polyamory</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/understanding-polyamory</link>
      <description>Understanding Polyamory
An interview with Dana McNeil, LMFT, about polyamory and ethical non-monogamy. Curt and Katie talk with Dana about the basics that every therapist should understand about polyamory. We cover some of the vocabulary, the values and perspectives within the polyamory community, as well as the biases many therapists hold and what therapists often get wrong when working with polyamorous clients. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dana McNeil Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Co-Founder of Confident Couples Therapist
Dana McNeil is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and is the founder The Relationship Place, a group practice located in San Diego, California. Dana’s practice specializes in couples’ therapy and utilizes an evidence-based type of couples’ therapy which is known as the Gottman Method. Dana is a certified Gottman Method therapist and Bringing Home Baby instructor. Dana’s practice works with all types of relationship issues from pre-marital counseling, dealing with the aftermath of extramarital affairs, partners working through addiction recovery, military deployed families, parents of special needs children, LGBTQ, and polyamorous clients.
Dana has been featured on many relationship podcasts and in publications such as the Business Insider, Authority Magazine, Eat This-Not That, Parade, Oprah Living, Martha Stewart Living, Ladders, AARP, and is the resident relationship expert on the Cox Communications show “I Do.”
Dana is also the co-founder of Confident Couples Therapist, a consultation and training program. She and her partner Nancy Ryan teach the tips and techniques to build a successful cash pay practice working with couples.
In this episode we talk about:

Polyamory and ethical non-monogamy (ENM)

The faulty assumption that therapists don’t have skills to work with polyamorous clients

The complexity of the non-monogamous relationships

Jealousy versus compersion

Metamour, Polycule, and new relationship energy

The goals and aspirations within the polyamorous community

The underlying reasons for entering into polyamorous relationships

The poly identity and lifestyle

Typical biases therapists hold related to ethical non-monogamy

The difference between boundaries and rules and agreements

The negative tone that can express bias to client

Dana’s use of the Gottman method with ENM clients

The reality of how ENM relationships – emotional and practical logistics

The importance of transparency, clear communication within these relationships

Considerations related to when members of the polycule are parents, who and how they are introduced to children

Sex, fluid bonding, protection and testing

Swingers have sex as sport, open relationships are sexual, poly relationships may be for love and romance and not sex

The stigma and misunderstanding that these individuals may face</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Understanding Polyamory: An interview with Dana McNeil, LMFT</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dana McNeil, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Understanding Polyamory
An interview with Dana McNeil, LMFT, about polyamory and ethical non-monogamy. Curt and Katie talk with Dana about the basics that every therapist should understand about polyamory. We cover some of the vocabulary, the values and perspectives within the polyamory community, as well as the biases many therapists hold and what therapists often get wrong when working with polyamorous clients. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dana McNeil Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Co-Founder of Confident Couples Therapist
Dana McNeil is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and is the founder The Relationship Place, a group practice located in San Diego, California. Dana’s practice specializes in couples’ therapy and utilizes an evidence-based type of couples’ therapy which is known as the Gottman Method. Dana is a certified Gottman Method therapist and Bringing Home Baby instructor. Dana’s practice works with all types of relationship issues from pre-marital counseling, dealing with the aftermath of extramarital affairs, partners working through addiction recovery, military deployed families, parents of special needs children, LGBTQ, and polyamorous clients.
Dana has been featured on many relationship podcasts and in publications such as the Business Insider, Authority Magazine, Eat This-Not That, Parade, Oprah Living, Martha Stewart Living, Ladders, AARP, and is the resident relationship expert on the Cox Communications show “I Do.”
Dana is also the co-founder of Confident Couples Therapist, a consultation and training program. She and her partner Nancy Ryan teach the tips and techniques to build a successful cash pay practice working with couples.
In this episode we talk about:

Polyamory and ethical non-monogamy (ENM)

The faulty assumption that therapists don’t have skills to work with polyamorous clients

The complexity of the non-monogamous relationships

Jealousy versus compersion

Metamour, Polycule, and new relationship energy

The goals and aspirations within the polyamorous community

The underlying reasons for entering into polyamorous relationships

The poly identity and lifestyle

Typical biases therapists hold related to ethical non-monogamy

The difference between boundaries and rules and agreements

The negative tone that can express bias to client

Dana’s use of the Gottman method with ENM clients

The reality of how ENM relationships – emotional and practical logistics

The importance of transparency, clear communication within these relationships

Considerations related to when members of the polycule are parents, who and how they are introduced to children

Sex, fluid bonding, protection and testing

Swingers have sex as sport, open relationships are sexual, poly relationships may be for love and romance and not sex

The stigma and misunderstanding that these individuals may face</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Understanding Polyamory</p><p>An interview with Dana McNeil, LMFT, about polyamory and ethical non-monogamy. Curt and Katie talk with Dana about the basics that every therapist should understand about polyamory. We cover some of the vocabulary, the values and perspectives within the polyamory community, as well as the biases many therapists hold and what therapists often get wrong when working with polyamorous clients. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dana McNeil Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Co-Founder of Confident Couples Therapist</p><p>Dana McNeil is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and is the founder The Relationship Place, a group practice located in San Diego, California. Dana’s practice specializes in couples’ therapy and utilizes an evidence-based type of couples’ therapy which is known as the Gottman Method. Dana is a certified Gottman Method therapist and Bringing Home Baby instructor. Dana’s practice works with all types of relationship issues from pre-marital counseling, dealing with the aftermath of extramarital affairs, partners working through addiction recovery, military deployed families, parents of special needs children, LGBTQ, and polyamorous clients.</p><p>Dana has been featured on many relationship podcasts and in publications such as the Business Insider, Authority Magazine, Eat This-Not That, Parade, Oprah Living, Martha Stewart Living, Ladders, AARP, and is the resident relationship expert on the Cox Communications show “I Do.”</p><p>Dana is also the co-founder of Confident Couples Therapist, a consultation and training program. She and her partner Nancy Ryan teach the tips and techniques to build a successful cash pay practice working with couples.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Polyamory and ethical non-monogamy (ENM)</li>
<li>The faulty assumption that therapists don’t have skills to work with polyamorous clients</li>
<li>The complexity of the non-monogamous relationships</li>
<li>Jealousy versus compersion</li>
<li>Metamour, Polycule, and new relationship energy</li>
<li>The goals and aspirations within the polyamorous community</li>
<li>The underlying reasons for entering into polyamorous relationships</li>
<li>The poly identity and lifestyle</li>
<li>Typical biases therapists hold related to ethical non-monogamy</li>
<li>The difference between boundaries and rules and agreements</li>
<li>The negative tone that can express bias to client</li>
<li>Dana’s use of the Gottman method with ENM clients</li>
<li>The reality of how ENM relationships – emotional and practical logistics</li>
<li>The importance of transparency, clear communication within these relationships</li>
<li>Considerations related to when members of the polycule are parents, who and how they are introduced to children</li>
<li>Sex, fluid bonding, protection and testing</li>
<li>Swingers have sex as sport, open relationships are sexual, poly relationships may be for love and romance and not sex</li>
<li>The stigma and misunderstanding that these individuals may face</li>
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      <title>Overcoming Your Poverty Mindset</title>
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      <description>Overcoming Your Poverty Mindset
An interview with Tiffany McLain about how therapists deserve to make a good living and often do not. Curt and Katie interview Tiffany regarding her perspectives related to how sliding scale fees can perpetuate racist and classist systems, the problem with therapists sacrificing themselves and acting as saviors, and the impact you can make if you amass wealth and seek luxury. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Tiffany McLain, LMFT
Tiffany McLain, LMFT is a therapist &amp; consultant whose mantra is, “Full fees are the new black.” Via her program, The Lean In. MAKE BANK. Academy, she helps therapists ethically earn 30 to 50% more per month while seeing fewer clients by showing them how to think about and directly address fees in a clinically appropriate manner.
In this episode we talk about:

Tiffany’s Lean In Make Bank Academy

How current events are impacting therapists making money

The belief system that we are hurting clients by charging them

Why therapists are so susceptible to these messages

How women and minorities are external reinforced to sacrifice ourselves

The stigma of building wealth, living life more fully, seeking luxury

Grappling with raising fees, with people needing help

The internal dialogue that comes in when trying to raise fees

How luxury has been sustained on the backs of others

The misguided attempt to fix the system through self-sacrifice

What the cost is when you self-sacrificing

The problem with Saviorism

How a sliding scale can encourage racism and classism

Negating self-efficacy and fostering dependency, through lowering our fees

Sliding scale = subsidizing our client’s treatment

Tiffany’s experience with a sliding scale therapist

How gratitude for a therapist sliding their fee can lead to clients hiding themselves, not fully showing up or engaging in treatment effectively

The value issue related to people asking for a sliding fee or balking at paying the full fee

How these issues may come in at the beginning of a therapist’s career

Talking about your fee as a clinical intervention

Unconscious dynamics that keep us from acting on what we know re: setting fees and money

Money is a representation of the therapist’s need and desire

Processing emotional reactions to fee changes with clients. For example: “When I raise my fees, it hurts you” without collapsing, lowering the fee, or losing boundaries

The challenge of looking at financial capacity for individuals

The idea that we do not have to take care of individuals who cannot afford our fee in order to create access – and ideas of how we can increase impact once we’ve had the ability to create financial stability and wealth

The benefit to society of women gaining wealth, with the ability to make a bigger impact

The importance of setting your fee appropriately from the beginning</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Overcoming Your Poverty Mindset: An interview with Tiffany McLain</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Tiffany McLain</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Overcoming Your Poverty Mindset
An interview with Tiffany McLain about how therapists deserve to make a good living and often do not. Curt and Katie interview Tiffany regarding her perspectives related to how sliding scale fees can perpetuate racist and classist systems, the problem with therapists sacrificing themselves and acting as saviors, and the impact you can make if you amass wealth and seek luxury. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Tiffany McLain, LMFT
Tiffany McLain, LMFT is a therapist &amp; consultant whose mantra is, “Full fees are the new black.” Via her program, The Lean In. MAKE BANK. Academy, she helps therapists ethically earn 30 to 50% more per month while seeing fewer clients by showing them how to think about and directly address fees in a clinically appropriate manner.
In this episode we talk about:

Tiffany’s Lean In Make Bank Academy

How current events are impacting therapists making money

The belief system that we are hurting clients by charging them

Why therapists are so susceptible to these messages

How women and minorities are external reinforced to sacrifice ourselves

The stigma of building wealth, living life more fully, seeking luxury

Grappling with raising fees, with people needing help

The internal dialogue that comes in when trying to raise fees

How luxury has been sustained on the backs of others

The misguided attempt to fix the system through self-sacrifice

What the cost is when you self-sacrificing

The problem with Saviorism

How a sliding scale can encourage racism and classism

Negating self-efficacy and fostering dependency, through lowering our fees

Sliding scale = subsidizing our client’s treatment

Tiffany’s experience with a sliding scale therapist

How gratitude for a therapist sliding their fee can lead to clients hiding themselves, not fully showing up or engaging in treatment effectively

The value issue related to people asking for a sliding fee or balking at paying the full fee

How these issues may come in at the beginning of a therapist’s career

Talking about your fee as a clinical intervention

Unconscious dynamics that keep us from acting on what we know re: setting fees and money

Money is a representation of the therapist’s need and desire

Processing emotional reactions to fee changes with clients. For example: “When I raise my fees, it hurts you” without collapsing, lowering the fee, or losing boundaries

The challenge of looking at financial capacity for individuals

The idea that we do not have to take care of individuals who cannot afford our fee in order to create access – and ideas of how we can increase impact once we’ve had the ability to create financial stability and wealth

The benefit to society of women gaining wealth, with the ability to make a bigger impact

The importance of setting your fee appropriately from the beginning</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Overcoming Your Poverty Mindset</p><p>An interview with Tiffany McLain about how therapists deserve to make a good living and often do not. Curt and Katie interview Tiffany regarding her perspectives related to how sliding scale fees can perpetuate racist and classist systems, the problem with therapists sacrificing themselves and acting as saviors, and the impact you can make if you amass wealth and seek luxury. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Tiffany McLain, LMFT</p><p>Tiffany McLain, LMFT is a therapist &amp; consultant whose mantra is, “Full fees are the new black.” Via her program, The Lean In. MAKE BANK. Academy, she helps therapists ethically earn 30 to 50% more per month while seeing fewer clients by showing them how to think about and directly address fees in a clinically appropriate manner.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Tiffany’s Lean In Make Bank Academy</li>
<li>How current events are impacting therapists making money</li>
<li>The belief system that we are hurting clients by charging them</li>
<li>Why therapists are so susceptible to these messages</li>
<li>How women and minorities are external reinforced to sacrifice ourselves</li>
<li>The stigma of building wealth, living life more fully, seeking luxury</li>
<li>Grappling with raising fees, with people needing help</li>
<li>The internal dialogue that comes in when trying to raise fees</li>
<li>How luxury has been sustained on the backs of others</li>
<li>The misguided attempt to fix the system through self-sacrifice</li>
<li>What the cost is when you self-sacrificing</li>
<li>The problem with Saviorism</li>
<li>How a sliding scale can encourage racism and classism</li>
<li>Negating self-efficacy and fostering dependency, through lowering our fees</li>
<li>Sliding scale = subsidizing our client’s treatment</li>
<li>Tiffany’s experience with a sliding scale therapist</li>
<li>How gratitude for a therapist sliding their fee can lead to clients hiding themselves, not fully showing up or engaging in treatment effectively</li>
<li>The value issue related to people asking for a sliding fee or balking at paying the full fee</li>
<li>How these issues may come in at the beginning of a therapist’s career</li>
<li>Talking about your fee as a clinical intervention</li>
<li>Unconscious dynamics that keep us from acting on what we know re: setting fees and money</li>
<li>Money is a representation of the therapist’s need and desire</li>
<li>Processing emotional reactions to fee changes with clients. For example: “When I raise my fees, it hurts you” without collapsing, lowering the fee, or losing boundaries</li>
<li>The challenge of looking at financial capacity for individuals</li>
<li>The idea that we do not have to take care of individuals who cannot afford our fee in order to create access – and ideas of how we can increase impact once we’ve had the ability to create financial stability and wealth</li>
<li>The benefit to society of women gaining wealth, with the ability to make a bigger impact</li>
<li>The importance of setting your fee appropriately from the beginning</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Navigating Pregnancy as a Therapist</title>
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      <description>Navigating Pregnancy as a Therapist
An interview with Emily Sanders, LMFT about how to navigate being a therapist while pregnant. Curt and Katie talk with Emily about when and how to disclose to clients, what it means to integrate the pregnancy into the clinical work, the transference and the richness that is available in the clinical work. We also look at practical, business, and clinical logistics for pregnant therapists (with a couple of thoughts for therapists with pregnant partners).        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Emily Sanders, LMFT
Emily Sanders is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in the state of California who works in a solo private practice in Orange County seeing individuals and couples. Her areas of focus are anxiety, perfectionism, attachment wounds, and relationship issues. In addition to her 8+ years of clinical practice, Emily has taught Human Development and Advanced Counseling at Life Pacific University, speaks for retreats and workshops, and contributed to leadership health and readiness assessment teams. Of all the roles she plays, she most loves being wife to her husband, Michael, of 13 years and mother to their three children Liv, Ellis, and Arlin.
In this episode we talk about:

The challenges facing therapists when navigating pregnancy

Whether or not to hide pregnancies as long as you can

How to integrate the pregnancy into the clinical work

The fear of bringing your parenting journey into the work

Navigating client infertility while pregnant

The individual differences that could impact disclosure, transference and the clinical work

Considerations for when and how to disclose to each client

Themes of abandonment that can come up

Desires that clients can express related to wanting to be your partner or your baby

The connection clients may feel and what they can witness, the curiosity they can experience

Assessing the level of self-disclosure

Seeking the stories related to considerations related to parenting and the parenting journey

Integrating self into the room as a whole person therapist

Planning for taking time away from your practice

The business considerations (including finances)

Clinical coverage and whether clients return to you after a maternity leave

Idea for notifying clients when the baby is born

The importance of looking put together when you return and challenging the notion that you might be fragile

Transference when you return

Looking at the timing of how long you can be gone (financial consideration)

The fear that people will decide on their leave based on financial concerns

Opportunities afforded when you are going to be out for maternity

Business considerations to make sure you’ve addressed prior to maternity leave

The logistics of breast feeding when you return to work

Considerations when your partner is pregnant

Logistic versus comfort-seeking questions you can get from clients both before and after pregnancy</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Navigating Pregnancy as a Therapist: An interview with Emily Sanders, LMFT </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Emily Sanders, LMFT </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Navigating Pregnancy as a Therapist
An interview with Emily Sanders, LMFT about how to navigate being a therapist while pregnant. Curt and Katie talk with Emily about when and how to disclose to clients, what it means to integrate the pregnancy into the clinical work, the transference and the richness that is available in the clinical work. We also look at practical, business, and clinical logistics for pregnant therapists (with a couple of thoughts for therapists with pregnant partners).        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Emily Sanders, LMFT
Emily Sanders is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in the state of California who works in a solo private practice in Orange County seeing individuals and couples. Her areas of focus are anxiety, perfectionism, attachment wounds, and relationship issues. In addition to her 8+ years of clinical practice, Emily has taught Human Development and Advanced Counseling at Life Pacific University, speaks for retreats and workshops, and contributed to leadership health and readiness assessment teams. Of all the roles she plays, she most loves being wife to her husband, Michael, of 13 years and mother to their three children Liv, Ellis, and Arlin.
In this episode we talk about:

The challenges facing therapists when navigating pregnancy

Whether or not to hide pregnancies as long as you can

How to integrate the pregnancy into the clinical work

The fear of bringing your parenting journey into the work

Navigating client infertility while pregnant

The individual differences that could impact disclosure, transference and the clinical work

Considerations for when and how to disclose to each client

Themes of abandonment that can come up

Desires that clients can express related to wanting to be your partner or your baby

The connection clients may feel and what they can witness, the curiosity they can experience

Assessing the level of self-disclosure

Seeking the stories related to considerations related to parenting and the parenting journey

Integrating self into the room as a whole person therapist

Planning for taking time away from your practice

The business considerations (including finances)

Clinical coverage and whether clients return to you after a maternity leave

Idea for notifying clients when the baby is born

The importance of looking put together when you return and challenging the notion that you might be fragile

Transference when you return

Looking at the timing of how long you can be gone (financial consideration)

The fear that people will decide on their leave based on financial concerns

Opportunities afforded when you are going to be out for maternity

Business considerations to make sure you’ve addressed prior to maternity leave

The logistics of breast feeding when you return to work

Considerations when your partner is pregnant

Logistic versus comfort-seeking questions you can get from clients both before and after pregnancy</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Navigating Pregnancy as a Therapist</p><p>An interview with Emily Sanders, LMFT about how to navigate being a therapist while pregnant. Curt and Katie talk with Emily about when and how to disclose to clients, what it means to integrate the pregnancy into the clinical work, the transference and the richness that is available in the clinical work. We also look at practical, business, and clinical logistics for pregnant therapists (with a couple of thoughts for therapists with pregnant partners).        </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Emily Sanders, LMFT</p><p>Emily Sanders is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in the state of California who works in a solo private practice in Orange County seeing individuals and couples. Her areas of focus are anxiety, perfectionism, attachment wounds, and relationship issues. In addition to her 8+ years of clinical practice, Emily has taught Human Development and Advanced Counseling at Life Pacific University, speaks for retreats and workshops, and contributed to leadership health and readiness assessment teams. Of all the roles she plays, she most loves being wife to her husband, Michael, of 13 years and mother to their three children Liv, Ellis, and Arlin.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The challenges facing therapists when navigating pregnancy</li>
<li>Whether or not to hide pregnancies as long as you can</li>
<li>How to integrate the pregnancy into the clinical work</li>
<li>The fear of bringing your parenting journey into the work</li>
<li>Navigating client infertility while pregnant</li>
<li>The individual differences that could impact disclosure, transference and the clinical work</li>
<li>Considerations for when and how to disclose to each client</li>
<li>Themes of abandonment that can come up</li>
<li>Desires that clients can express related to wanting to be your partner or your baby</li>
<li>The connection clients may feel and what they can witness, the curiosity they can experience</li>
<li>Assessing the level of self-disclosure</li>
<li>Seeking the stories related to considerations related to parenting and the parenting journey</li>
<li>Integrating self into the room as a whole person therapist</li>
<li>Planning for taking time away from your practice</li>
<li>The business considerations (including finances)</li>
<li>Clinical coverage and whether clients return to you after a maternity leave</li>
<li>Idea for notifying clients when the baby is born</li>
<li>The importance of looking put together when you return and challenging the notion that you might be fragile</li>
<li>Transference when you return</li>
<li>Looking at the timing of how long you can be gone (financial consideration)</li>
<li>The fear that people will decide on their leave based on financial concerns</li>
<li>Opportunities afforded when you are going to be out for maternity</li>
<li>Business considerations to make sure you’ve addressed prior to maternity leave</li>
<li>The logistics of breast feeding when you return to work</li>
<li>Considerations when your partner is pregnant</li>
<li>Logistic versus comfort-seeking questions you can get from clients both before and after pregnancy</li>
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      <title>White Terrorism and Therapy</title>
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      <description>White Terrorism and Therapy
Curt and Katie chat about the attack on the US Capitol by radicalized Trump supporters. We talk about the role therapists play in addressing white supremacist terrorism, how to support clients in responding to a domestic terror attack, and what therapy looks like for clients who are impacted by Trump supporters or radical rhetoric. We also talk about the challenge of finding compassion, the need for thoughtful communication, and ideas about how to move forward.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

White Supremacy Terrorism, Domestic Terrorism, and the definition of Terrorism

The evolving threat of White Supremacy

Our responses to the domestic terrorism activity, the insurrection at the Capitol

Processing the event in real time during sessions, with clients with double screen

The lack of definition in the role of therapists during this time

Thoughts related to people connecting violence to mental illness

QAnon, other groups and the need to understand what they are, the signs

The different types of clients coming into our office and how to support them

Dealing with the “white stuff” like white apathy, being further removed from the events

Susceptibility to political reactionism

Trauma around safety, responses to the lack of equity, vulnerability, marginalization

The importance of opening conversations and allowing clients to fully express their experience

Supporting clients who have been pushed away from Trump supporters among family or friends

Self-Identity versus Family-Identity

Responding to divisive messages

The complexity of interacting with someone who has been radicalized

The need for community and connection to shift the culture

What to do when a client who is in the process of being radicalized enters your therapy office

The harm of “what about-ism”

Risk factors for radicalization

Conversations beyond Tarasoff and safety planning

Desire for connection, attachment needs

Simplicity of radicalized rhetoric and the goal to dig deeper into underlying needs and goal

The possibility of therapy as a counter to the division

Societal change, needed messaging, taking care of disenfranchised folks

We are pro-human

The need for compassionate communication

Making things real to people who are disconnected and have the option to opt out, so they choose and can re-engage in the societal change that is needed

A reminder to take care of yourselves as therapists during this time </description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>White Terrorism and Therapy</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the attack on the US Capitol by radicalized Trump supporters</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>White Terrorism and Therapy
Curt and Katie chat about the attack on the US Capitol by radicalized Trump supporters. We talk about the role therapists play in addressing white supremacist terrorism, how to support clients in responding to a domestic terror attack, and what therapy looks like for clients who are impacted by Trump supporters or radical rhetoric. We also talk about the challenge of finding compassion, the need for thoughtful communication, and ideas about how to move forward.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

White Supremacy Terrorism, Domestic Terrorism, and the definition of Terrorism

The evolving threat of White Supremacy

Our responses to the domestic terrorism activity, the insurrection at the Capitol

Processing the event in real time during sessions, with clients with double screen

The lack of definition in the role of therapists during this time

Thoughts related to people connecting violence to mental illness

QAnon, other groups and the need to understand what they are, the signs

The different types of clients coming into our office and how to support them

Dealing with the “white stuff” like white apathy, being further removed from the events

Susceptibility to political reactionism

Trauma around safety, responses to the lack of equity, vulnerability, marginalization

The importance of opening conversations and allowing clients to fully express their experience

Supporting clients who have been pushed away from Trump supporters among family or friends

Self-Identity versus Family-Identity

Responding to divisive messages

The complexity of interacting with someone who has been radicalized

The need for community and connection to shift the culture

What to do when a client who is in the process of being radicalized enters your therapy office

The harm of “what about-ism”

Risk factors for radicalization

Conversations beyond Tarasoff and safety planning

Desire for connection, attachment needs

Simplicity of radicalized rhetoric and the goal to dig deeper into underlying needs and goal

The possibility of therapy as a counter to the division

Societal change, needed messaging, taking care of disenfranchised folks

We are pro-human

The need for compassionate communication

Making things real to people who are disconnected and have the option to opt out, so they choose and can re-engage in the societal change that is needed

A reminder to take care of yourselves as therapists during this time </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>White Terrorism and Therapy</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the attack on the US Capitol by radicalized Trump supporters. We talk about the role therapists play in addressing white supremacist terrorism, how to support clients in responding to a domestic terror attack, and what therapy looks like for clients who are impacted by Trump supporters or radical rhetoric. We also talk about the challenge of finding compassion, the need for thoughtful communication, and ideas about how to move forward.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>White Supremacy Terrorism, Domestic Terrorism, and the definition of Terrorism</li>
<li>The evolving threat of White Supremacy</li>
<li>Our responses to the domestic terrorism activity, the insurrection at the Capitol</li>
<li>Processing the event in real time during sessions, with clients with double screen</li>
<li>The lack of definition in the role of therapists during this time</li>
<li>Thoughts related to people connecting violence to mental illness</li>
<li>QAnon, other groups and the need to understand what they are, the signs</li>
<li>The different types of clients coming into our office and how to support them</li>
<li>Dealing with the “white stuff” like white apathy, being further removed from the events</li>
<li>Susceptibility to political reactionism</li>
<li>Trauma around safety, responses to the lack of equity, vulnerability, marginalization</li>
<li>The importance of opening conversations and allowing clients to fully express their experience</li>
<li>Supporting clients who have been pushed away from Trump supporters among family or friends</li>
<li>Self-Identity versus Family-Identity</li>
<li>Responding to divisive messages</li>
<li>The complexity of interacting with someone who has been radicalized</li>
<li>The need for community and connection to shift the culture</li>
<li>What to do when a client who is in the process of being radicalized enters your therapy office</li>
<li>The harm of “what about-ism”</li>
<li>Risk factors for radicalization</li>
<li>Conversations beyond Tarasoff and safety planning</li>
<li>Desire for connection, attachment needs</li>
<li>Simplicity of radicalized rhetoric and the goal to dig deeper into underlying needs and goal</li>
<li>The possibility of therapy as a counter to the division</li>
<li>Societal change, needed messaging, taking care of disenfranchised folks</li>
<li>We are pro-human</li>
<li>The need for compassionate communication</li>
<li>Making things real to people who are disconnected and have the option to opt out, so they choose and can re-engage in the societal change that is needed</li>
<li>A reminder to take care of yourselves as therapists during this time </li>
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      <title>Taking a Shot at Vaccinations</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/taking-a-shot-at-vaccinations</link>
      <description>Taking a Shot at Vaccinations
Curt and Katie chat about Covid vaccinations and how that will impact your work as a therapist. We look at who can be required to get a vaccine, what accommodations can be made for people who do not want to (or cannot) get vaccinated, and the clinical implications of the vaccine conversation coming into the therapy room.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Laws and ethics related to requiring vaccinations for clients and employees

Vaccine exemptions and who/how they need to be honored

The best practices of encouraging

Accommodations for people who are not vaccinated

The complexities of following the health advice

Different considerations for employees and employers

What the implications are for requiring clients to get vaccines

The challenges of talking with clients about vaccines

Other options related to telehealth, masks, timelines for vaccines

When you may need to refer out

Strategies for working with insurance in the transition

What to do when you’re working at an agency

Implications for mental health access

Protecting yourself and managing your own risk

Clinical Implications of the vaccine and how to talk with your clients

Respecting the different reasons why people may be hesitant or refuse to get vaccinated

The cultural differences relevant to interaction with the medical system

The power differential and clinical ramifications

Helping clients making decisions around vaccination

Scope of practice and medical decision-making

The challenge to physical health being out of our scope of practice

The importance of having adequate knowledge of the science of the vaccines and the health decisions that clients often make

Where ethics come in – forcing our clients to follow “science” is unethical

Navigating the power differential

Additional considerations that we were not able to talk about</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Taking a Shot at Vaccinations</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how Covid vaccines will impact your work as a therapist</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Taking a Shot at Vaccinations
Curt and Katie chat about Covid vaccinations and how that will impact your work as a therapist. We look at who can be required to get a vaccine, what accommodations can be made for people who do not want to (or cannot) get vaccinated, and the clinical implications of the vaccine conversation coming into the therapy room.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Laws and ethics related to requiring vaccinations for clients and employees

Vaccine exemptions and who/how they need to be honored

The best practices of encouraging

Accommodations for people who are not vaccinated

The complexities of following the health advice

Different considerations for employees and employers

What the implications are for requiring clients to get vaccines

The challenges of talking with clients about vaccines

Other options related to telehealth, masks, timelines for vaccines

When you may need to refer out

Strategies for working with insurance in the transition

What to do when you’re working at an agency

Implications for mental health access

Protecting yourself and managing your own risk

Clinical Implications of the vaccine and how to talk with your clients

Respecting the different reasons why people may be hesitant or refuse to get vaccinated

The cultural differences relevant to interaction with the medical system

The power differential and clinical ramifications

Helping clients making decisions around vaccination

Scope of practice and medical decision-making

The challenge to physical health being out of our scope of practice

The importance of having adequate knowledge of the science of the vaccines and the health decisions that clients often make

Where ethics come in – forcing our clients to follow “science” is unethical

Navigating the power differential

Additional considerations that we were not able to talk about</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Taking a Shot at Vaccinations</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about Covid vaccinations and how that will impact your work as a therapist. We look at who can be required to get a vaccine, what accommodations can be made for people who do not want to (or cannot) get vaccinated, and the clinical implications of the vaccine conversation coming into the therapy room.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Laws and ethics related to requiring vaccinations for clients and employees</li>
<li>Vaccine exemptions and who/how they need to be honored</li>
<li>The best practices of encouraging</li>
<li>Accommodations for people who are not vaccinated</li>
<li>The complexities of following the health advice</li>
<li>Different considerations for employees and employers</li>
<li>What the implications are for requiring clients to get vaccines</li>
<li>The challenges of talking with clients about vaccines</li>
<li>Other options related to telehealth, masks, timelines for vaccines</li>
<li>When you may need to refer out</li>
<li>Strategies for working with insurance in the transition</li>
<li>What to do when you’re working at an agency</li>
<li>Implications for mental health access</li>
<li>Protecting yourself and managing your own risk</li>
<li>Clinical Implications of the vaccine and how to talk with your clients</li>
<li>Respecting the different reasons why people may be hesitant or refuse to get vaccinated</li>
<li>The cultural differences relevant to interaction with the medical system</li>
<li>The power differential and clinical ramifications</li>
<li>Helping clients making decisions around vaccination</li>
<li>Scope of practice and medical decision-making</li>
<li>The challenge to physical health being out of our scope of practice</li>
<li>The importance of having adequate knowledge of the science of the vaccines and the health decisions that clients often make</li>
<li>Where ethics come in – forcing our clients to follow “science” is unethical</li>
<li>Navigating the power differential</li>
<li>Additional considerations that we were not able to talk about</li>
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      <title>You Do NOT Have to Be a Thought Leader</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/you-do-not-have-to-be-a-thought-leader</link>
      <description>You Don’t Have to Be A Thought Leader
Curt and Katie chat about the latest pressures on therapists to become “thought leaders.” We look at how thought leadership is defined, what it typically is trying to solve, and other options therapists can take if they aren’t ready to be in the spotlight, start a side hustle, or leave the profession.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The definitions of thought leader

Why you must earn the title of thought leader

Thought leadership as content marketing

Repackaging content, predicting the future, or sharing a brand-new perspective

The role of luck in thought leadership

The importance of doing “you” whether you choose to use thought leadership or not

The option to be a therapist in private practice without doing thought leadership as your form of content marketing

Assessing values, skills, and energy in your decision whether you focus on thought leadership

Challenging the notion that you have to leave the career if you’re burned out

The ability to have hobbies and not monetizing everything

Other options to address burnout or financial needs or lack of meaning in your work

The myth of passive income and thought leadership as a mechanism to a better life

The idea of fixing your business as an alternative

The focus on the thoughts as the strongest, most aligned type of thought leadership

Force of personality and Cult-like leadership

Take an uncomfortable look at where you’re at to determine what you can do going forward

Identifying a path forward that doesn’t get you stuck (stepping outside of shoulds)

How to assess what is missing or what you’d like to get rid of

The concept of self-leadership</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2021 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>You Do NOT Have to Be a Thought Leader</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about thought leadership for therapists</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>You Don’t Have to Be A Thought Leader
Curt and Katie chat about the latest pressures on therapists to become “thought leaders.” We look at how thought leadership is defined, what it typically is trying to solve, and other options therapists can take if they aren’t ready to be in the spotlight, start a side hustle, or leave the profession.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The definitions of thought leader

Why you must earn the title of thought leader

Thought leadership as content marketing

Repackaging content, predicting the future, or sharing a brand-new perspective

The role of luck in thought leadership

The importance of doing “you” whether you choose to use thought leadership or not

The option to be a therapist in private practice without doing thought leadership as your form of content marketing

Assessing values, skills, and energy in your decision whether you focus on thought leadership

Challenging the notion that you have to leave the career if you’re burned out

The ability to have hobbies and not monetizing everything

Other options to address burnout or financial needs or lack of meaning in your work

The myth of passive income and thought leadership as a mechanism to a better life

The idea of fixing your business as an alternative

The focus on the thoughts as the strongest, most aligned type of thought leadership

Force of personality and Cult-like leadership

Take an uncomfortable look at where you’re at to determine what you can do going forward

Identifying a path forward that doesn’t get you stuck (stepping outside of shoulds)

How to assess what is missing or what you’d like to get rid of

The concept of self-leadership</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>You Don’t Have to Be A Thought Leader</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the latest pressures on therapists to become “thought leaders.” We look at how thought leadership is defined, what it typically is trying to solve, and other options therapists can take if they aren’t ready to be in the spotlight, start a side hustle, or leave the profession.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The definitions of thought leader</li>
<li>Why you must earn the title of thought leader</li>
<li>Thought leadership as content marketing</li>
<li>Repackaging content, predicting the future, or sharing a brand-new perspective</li>
<li>The role of luck in thought leadership</li>
<li>The importance of doing “you” whether you choose to use thought leadership or not</li>
<li>The option to be a therapist in private practice without doing thought leadership as your form of content marketing</li>
<li>Assessing values, skills, and energy in your decision whether you focus on thought leadership</li>
<li>Challenging the notion that you have to leave the career if you’re burned out</li>
<li>The ability to have hobbies and not monetizing everything</li>
<li>Other options to address burnout or financial needs or lack of meaning in your work</li>
<li>The myth of passive income and thought leadership as a mechanism to a better life</li>
<li>The idea of fixing your business as an alternative</li>
<li>The focus on the thoughts as the strongest, most aligned type of thought leadership</li>
<li>Force of personality and Cult-like leadership</li>
<li>Take an uncomfortable look at where you’re at to determine what you can do going forward</li>
<li>Identifying a path forward that doesn’t get you stuck (stepping outside of shoulds)</li>
<li>How to assess what is missing or what you’d like to get rid of</li>
<li>The concept of self-leadership</li>
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      <title>Malpractice is No Joke</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/malpractice-is-no-joke</link>
      <description>Malpractice is No Joke
An interview with Rachel Warners of CPH &amp; Associates on the ins and outs of liability insurance. Curt and Katie talk with Rachel about some myths related to therapist liability, the best practices in getting (and keeping yourself) insured. We also talk about the types of claims and the services that are covered when you’re insured. We look at how you can best protect yourself from malpractice claims and what the most common complaints (and consequences) are.       
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Rachel Warners, CPH &amp; Associates
Rachel Warners is the Director of Operations at CPH &amp; Associates, a leading provider of Professional Liability Insurance for mental health provider. Having been with CPH for 10 years, she understands the importance and unique nature of a therapists work and is proud to partner with them in protecting their career.
In this episode we talk about:

Why you need liability insurance

The benefit of keeping liability insurance continuously through your whole career

Why you may need a policy while working as a W-2 with an employer who is covering you

Debunking some myths about your liability

The problem with letting your policy lapse or having a gap in coverage

The benefits of continuously coverage (especially if you’d like to get credentialed with insurance)

The types of services you’re entitled to when you’re covered

The ability consult when you get subpoenaed

Common board complaints and lawsuits, like practicing outside the scope of licensure, negligent supervision, boundary and dual relationship issues, custody conflicts, unprofessional conduct

When you are not covered, even when you have insurance

The consequences of having a board complaint whether the complaint is dismissed or not (and how to navigate reporting this to your insurance carrier, etc)

How often complaints are founded or unfounded

The cost of protecting yourself from complaints

Other types of insurance you may want to consider as a practice owner (general liability - slip and fall, personal property coverage, cyber liability)

Insuring your corporate name

The importance of protecting yourself and using insurance to cover costs of handling your defense or the required steps to repair what is broken

The ways that you can avoid liability, including accessing the resources availability to you

Considerations for Telehealth

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
CPH &amp; Associates: www.cphins.com
CPH phone line: 312-987-9823 | 800-875-1911
Articles on Avoiding Liability
Relevant Episodes:
 Toxic Work Environments
 Joining Your Association
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Malpractice is No Joke</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Rachel Warners of CPH &amp; Associates</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Malpractice is No Joke
An interview with Rachel Warners of CPH &amp; Associates on the ins and outs of liability insurance. Curt and Katie talk with Rachel about some myths related to therapist liability, the best practices in getting (and keeping yourself) insured. We also talk about the types of claims and the services that are covered when you’re insured. We look at how you can best protect yourself from malpractice claims and what the most common complaints (and consequences) are.       
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Rachel Warners, CPH &amp; Associates
Rachel Warners is the Director of Operations at CPH &amp; Associates, a leading provider of Professional Liability Insurance for mental health provider. Having been with CPH for 10 years, she understands the importance and unique nature of a therapists work and is proud to partner with them in protecting their career.
In this episode we talk about:

Why you need liability insurance

The benefit of keeping liability insurance continuously through your whole career

Why you may need a policy while working as a W-2 with an employer who is covering you

Debunking some myths about your liability

The problem with letting your policy lapse or having a gap in coverage

The benefits of continuously coverage (especially if you’d like to get credentialed with insurance)

The types of services you’re entitled to when you’re covered

The ability consult when you get subpoenaed

Common board complaints and lawsuits, like practicing outside the scope of licensure, negligent supervision, boundary and dual relationship issues, custody conflicts, unprofessional conduct

When you are not covered, even when you have insurance

The consequences of having a board complaint whether the complaint is dismissed or not (and how to navigate reporting this to your insurance carrier, etc)

How often complaints are founded or unfounded

The cost of protecting yourself from complaints

Other types of insurance you may want to consider as a practice owner (general liability - slip and fall, personal property coverage, cyber liability)

Insuring your corporate name

The importance of protecting yourself and using insurance to cover costs of handling your defense or the required steps to repair what is broken

The ways that you can avoid liability, including accessing the resources availability to you

Considerations for Telehealth

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
CPH &amp; Associates: www.cphins.com
CPH phone line: 312-987-9823 | 800-875-1911
Articles on Avoiding Liability
Relevant Episodes:
 Toxic Work Environments
 Joining Your Association
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Malpractice is No Joke</p><p>An interview with Rachel Warners of CPH &amp; Associates on the ins and outs of liability insurance. Curt and Katie talk with Rachel about some myths related to therapist liability, the best practices in getting (and keeping yourself) insured. We also talk about the types of claims and the services that are covered when you’re insured. We look at how you can best protect yourself from malpractice claims and what the most common complaints (and consequences) are.       </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Rachel Warners, CPH &amp; Associates</p><p>Rachel Warners is the Director of Operations at CPH &amp; Associates, a leading provider of Professional Liability Insurance for mental health provider. Having been with CPH for 10 years, she understands the importance and unique nature of a therapists work and is proud to partner with them in protecting their career.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Why you need liability insurance</li>
<li>The benefit of keeping liability insurance continuously through your whole career</li>
<li>Why you may need a policy while working as a W-2 with an employer who is covering you</li>
<li>Debunking some myths about your liability</li>
<li>The problem with letting your policy lapse or having a gap in coverage</li>
<li>The benefits of continuously coverage (especially if you’d like to get credentialed with insurance)</li>
<li>The types of services you’re entitled to when you’re covered</li>
<li>The ability consult when you get subpoenaed</li>
<li>Common board complaints and lawsuits, like practicing outside the scope of licensure, negligent supervision, boundary and dual relationship issues, custody conflicts, unprofessional conduct</li>
<li>When you are not covered, even when you have insurance</li>
<li>The consequences of having a board complaint whether the complaint is dismissed or not (and how to navigate reporting this to your insurance carrier, etc)</li>
<li>How often complaints are founded or unfounded</li>
<li>The cost of protecting yourself from complaints</li>
<li>Other types of insurance you may want to consider as a practice owner (general liability - slip and fall, personal property coverage, cyber liability)</li>
<li>Insuring your corporate name</li>
<li>The importance of protecting yourself and using insurance to cover costs of handling your defense or the required steps to repair what is broken</li>
<li>The ways that you can avoid liability, including accessing the resources availability to you</li>
<li>Considerations for Telehealth</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>CPH &amp; Associates: <a href="http://www.cphins.com">www.cphins.com</a></p><p>CPH phone line: 312-987-9823 | 800-875-1911</p><p><a href="https://www.cphins.com/category/mental-health/">Articles on Avoiding Liability</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/toxic-work-environments/"> Toxic Work Environments</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/joining-your-association/"> Joining Your Association</a></p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences</a></p><p> Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Marketing with Empathy</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/marketing-with-empathy</link>
      <description>Marketing with Empathy
An interview with Kat Love, on the hurdles therapists face when marketing their practices. Curt and Katie talk with Kat about how to develop relationships with referral sources on social media, advice on writing website copy, and the great importance of knowing yourself (and processing some of your stuff) when making a marketing plan. We also talk about some data you’ll want to review to adjust your planning and writing prompts to help get you started.     
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Kat Love
Therapists helped Kat heal from childhood sexual abuse, so now they specialize in helping therapists with their marketing. From helping you find the words to write to implementing the marketing strategies you need, Kat helps therapists get more clients, more referrals, and start making an impact. Check out Kat’s services that help with copywriting for therapists and marketing and business coaching for therapists.
In this episode we talk about:

The hurdles that therapists have to jump over to market their practice

How mindset blocks keep therapists from creating a marketing plan

The confusion and overwhelm in the DIY marketing space

When you don’t know how to execute your marketing plan

The problem of doing too many social media channels at once

How to network on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter

Building relationships with people on social media

You can even do cold outreach and warm up the relationship within the digital world

The importance of doing things that align with your natural talents and interests

The type of data you should be looking at to adjust your marketing plan

Ideas for how to market based on who you are

Advice on writing website copy

How journaling and blocking out time for self-discovery can move you past your blocks

Understanding what works for you

Vulnerability and self-awareness required for building a business and a website

Your website isn’t about you

What you may need to process before you can get your marketing on point

The key things that need to come through in website copy

Speaking to clients’ pain points so they feel seen

Writing about the benefits of therapy in general as well as specifically with you

Listening to your clients and asking your family and friends to understand how you show up as a helper, listener, and therapist

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
katlove.com
empathycopy.com
Group Practice Owner’s Summit
Relevant Episodes:
 Clinical Marketing
 The Brand Called You
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Marketing with Empathy: An interview with Kat Love</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Marketing with Empathy
An interview with Kat Love, on the hurdles therapists face when marketing their practices. Curt and Katie talk with Kat about how to develop relationships with referral sources on social media, advice on writing website copy, and the great importance of knowing yourself (and processing some of your stuff) when making a marketing plan. We also talk about some data you’ll want to review to adjust your planning and writing prompts to help get you started.     
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Kat Love
Therapists helped Kat heal from childhood sexual abuse, so now they specialize in helping therapists with their marketing. From helping you find the words to write to implementing the marketing strategies you need, Kat helps therapists get more clients, more referrals, and start making an impact. Check out Kat’s services that help with copywriting for therapists and marketing and business coaching for therapists.
In this episode we talk about:

The hurdles that therapists have to jump over to market their practice

How mindset blocks keep therapists from creating a marketing plan

The confusion and overwhelm in the DIY marketing space

When you don’t know how to execute your marketing plan

The problem of doing too many social media channels at once

How to network on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter

Building relationships with people on social media

You can even do cold outreach and warm up the relationship within the digital world

The importance of doing things that align with your natural talents and interests

The type of data you should be looking at to adjust your marketing plan

Ideas for how to market based on who you are

Advice on writing website copy

How journaling and blocking out time for self-discovery can move you past your blocks

Understanding what works for you

Vulnerability and self-awareness required for building a business and a website

Your website isn’t about you

What you may need to process before you can get your marketing on point

The key things that need to come through in website copy

Speaking to clients’ pain points so they feel seen

Writing about the benefits of therapy in general as well as specifically with you

Listening to your clients and asking your family and friends to understand how you show up as a helper, listener, and therapist

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
katlove.com
empathycopy.com
Group Practice Owner’s Summit
Relevant Episodes:
 Clinical Marketing
 The Brand Called You
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>The hurdles that therapists have to jump over to market their practice</li>
<li>How mindset blocks keep therapists from creating a marketing plan</li>
<li>The confusion and overwhelm in the DIY marketing space</li>
<li>When you don’t know how to execute your marketing plan</li>
<li>The problem of doing too many social media channels at once</li>
<li>How to network on Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter</li>
<li>Building relationships with people on social media</li>
<li>You can even do cold outreach and warm up the relationship within the digital world</li>
<li>The importance of doing things that align with your natural talents and interests</li>
<li>The type of data you should be looking at to adjust your marketing plan</li>
<li>Ideas for how to market based on who you are</li>
<li>Advice on writing website copy</li>
<li>How journaling and blocking out time for self-discovery can move you past your blocks</li>
<li>Understanding what works for you</li>
<li>Vulnerability and self-awareness required for building a business and a website</li>
<li>Your website isn’t about you</li>
<li>What you may need to process before you can get your marketing on point</li>
<li>The key things that need to come through in website copy</li>
<li>Speaking to clients’ pain points so they feel seen</li>
<li>Writing about the benefits of therapy in general as well as specifically with you</li>
<li>Listening to your clients and asking your family and friends to understand how you show up as a helper, listener, and therapist</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="http://katlove.com/">katlove.com</a></p><p><a href="http://empathycopy.com/">empathycopy.com</a></p><p><a href="https://grouppracticebuilders.com/summit-2021/">Group Practice Owner’s Summit</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/clinical-marketing/"> Clinical Marketing</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/the-brand-called-you/"> The Brand Called You</a></p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences</a></p><p> Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Don’t Take Tax Advice from Therapists</title>
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      <description>Don’t Take Tax Advice from Therapists
An interview with Julie Herres of GreenOak Accounting on why you shouldn’t take tax advice from random therapists in a Facebook Group. Curt and Katie talk with Julie about common mistakes therapists make while trying to do their own bookkeeping and accounting, a new way to look at expenses, what is (and is not) tax deductible, what business entity you might consider, and why the picture is extra complex right now, meaning expert advice is especially important.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Julie Herres, GreenOak Accounting
Julie Herres is an accountant and the owner of GreenOak Accounting. Her firm provides accounting, bookkeeping &amp; tax services to private practice owners throughout the United States. Their mission is for every practice to be profitable! Julie and her team have worked with hundreds of private practice owners, so they are uniquely positioned to be a trusted advisor to clients. Julie also hosts the Therapy For Your Money Podcast, where she talks about all things money &amp; finance for private practice.
In this episode we talk about:

The common mistake of not saving enough for taxes

Bookkeeping mistakes

How to look at your numbers, what numbers you should know about

Expenses that may be outsized for your need

Problem-solving for when your numbers are out of whack

The importance of planning and having a conversation with an expert

Being a good steward of the money that is coming into your therapy business

What you can do proactively to plan for your business and taxes

What you can do to clean up your books and then plan ahead going forward

The value of basic budgeting and forecasting, even for 2021

Uncertainty and luck can be navigated

Covid expenses and plans for investing in growth

What you can still do to address 2020 taxes (including quarterly tax payments)

What to spend money on when you have extra money at the end of the year

The possibility of maximizing retirement accounts, etc.

What you can do into 2021 that still impact 2020 taxes

The need for really good advice based on the complexity of income, loans, etc.

Which experts to go to for advice, which to go to implement your plan

The danger of taking tax advice from a FB group and other questionable advice

Personal expenses are not typically tax deductible (therapy, clothes, makeup, etc.)

What you can deduct related to gifts

Marketing expenses and usual and necessary expenses for business.

Different business entities and some of the things to consider when deciding (spoiler alert: get advice because these things are so complex and depend on your full financial picture

Things to consider in becoming a corporation and who to get help from

How to prepare for changes (or potential changes) expected for 2021

The way in which having an accountant can support you in staying abreast of what you need to know as a business owner

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Julie’s website: GreenOak Accounting
Therapy for Your Money Podcast
Free tax planning checklist: greenoakaccounting.com/tax
Relevant Episodes:
 The 4-1-1 on your 401K
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Don’t Take Tax Advice from Therapists: An interview with Julie Herres </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Julie Herres of GreenOak Accounting</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Don’t Take Tax Advice from Therapists
An interview with Julie Herres of GreenOak Accounting on why you shouldn’t take tax advice from random therapists in a Facebook Group. Curt and Katie talk with Julie about common mistakes therapists make while trying to do their own bookkeeping and accounting, a new way to look at expenses, what is (and is not) tax deductible, what business entity you might consider, and why the picture is extra complex right now, meaning expert advice is especially important.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Julie Herres, GreenOak Accounting
Julie Herres is an accountant and the owner of GreenOak Accounting. Her firm provides accounting, bookkeeping &amp; tax services to private practice owners throughout the United States. Their mission is for every practice to be profitable! Julie and her team have worked with hundreds of private practice owners, so they are uniquely positioned to be a trusted advisor to clients. Julie also hosts the Therapy For Your Money Podcast, where she talks about all things money &amp; finance for private practice.
In this episode we talk about:

The common mistake of not saving enough for taxes

Bookkeeping mistakes

How to look at your numbers, what numbers you should know about

Expenses that may be outsized for your need

Problem-solving for when your numbers are out of whack

The importance of planning and having a conversation with an expert

Being a good steward of the money that is coming into your therapy business

What you can do proactively to plan for your business and taxes

What you can do to clean up your books and then plan ahead going forward

The value of basic budgeting and forecasting, even for 2021

Uncertainty and luck can be navigated

Covid expenses and plans for investing in growth

What you can still do to address 2020 taxes (including quarterly tax payments)

What to spend money on when you have extra money at the end of the year

The possibility of maximizing retirement accounts, etc.

What you can do into 2021 that still impact 2020 taxes

The need for really good advice based on the complexity of income, loans, etc.

Which experts to go to for advice, which to go to implement your plan

The danger of taking tax advice from a FB group and other questionable advice

Personal expenses are not typically tax deductible (therapy, clothes, makeup, etc.)

What you can deduct related to gifts

Marketing expenses and usual and necessary expenses for business.

Different business entities and some of the things to consider when deciding (spoiler alert: get advice because these things are so complex and depend on your full financial picture

Things to consider in becoming a corporation and who to get help from

How to prepare for changes (or potential changes) expected for 2021

The way in which having an accountant can support you in staying abreast of what you need to know as a business owner

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Julie’s website: GreenOak Accounting
Therapy for Your Money Podcast
Free tax planning checklist: greenoakaccounting.com/tax
Relevant Episodes:
 The 4-1-1 on your 401K
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Don’t Take Tax Advice from Therapists</p><p>An interview with Julie Herres of GreenOak Accounting on why you shouldn’t take tax advice from random therapists in a Facebook Group. Curt and Katie talk with Julie about common mistakes therapists make while trying to do their own bookkeeping and accounting, a new way to look at expenses, what is (and is not) tax deductible, what business entity you might consider, and why the picture is extra complex right now, meaning expert advice is especially important.   </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Julie Herres, GreenOak Accounting</p><p>Julie Herres is an accountant and the owner of GreenOak Accounting. Her firm provides accounting, bookkeeping &amp; tax services to private practice owners throughout the United States. Their mission is for every practice to be profitable! Julie and her team have worked with hundreds of private practice owners, so they are uniquely positioned to be a trusted advisor to clients. Julie also hosts the Therapy For Your Money Podcast, where she talks about all things money &amp; finance for private practice.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The common mistake of not saving enough for taxes</li>
<li>Bookkeeping mistakes</li>
<li>How to look at your numbers, what numbers you should know about</li>
<li>Expenses that may be outsized for your need</li>
<li>Problem-solving for when your numbers are out of whack</li>
<li>The importance of planning and having a conversation with an expert</li>
<li>Being a good steward of the money that is coming into your therapy business</li>
<li>What you can do proactively to plan for your business and taxes</li>
<li>What you can do to clean up your books and then plan ahead going forward</li>
<li>The value of basic budgeting and forecasting, even for 2021</li>
<li>Uncertainty and luck can be navigated</li>
<li>Covid expenses and plans for investing in growth</li>
<li>What you can still do to address 2020 taxes (including quarterly tax payments)</li>
<li>What to spend money on when you have extra money at the end of the year</li>
<li>The possibility of maximizing retirement accounts, etc.</li>
<li>What you can do into 2021 that still impact 2020 taxes</li>
<li>The need for really good advice based on the complexity of income, loans, etc.</li>
<li>Which experts to go to for advice, which to go to implement your plan</li>
<li>The danger of taking tax advice from a FB group and other questionable advice</li>
<li>Personal expenses are not typically tax deductible (therapy, clothes, makeup, etc.)</li>
<li>What you can deduct related to gifts</li>
<li>Marketing expenses and usual and necessary expenses for business.</li>
<li>Different business entities and some of the things to consider when deciding (spoiler alert: get advice because these things are so complex and depend on your full financial picture</li>
<li>Things to consider in becoming a corporation and who to get help from</li>
<li>How to prepare for changes (or potential changes) expected for 2021</li>
<li>The way in which having an accountant can support you in staying abreast of what you need to know as a business owner</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p>Julie’s website: <a href="https://www.greenoakaccounting.com/">GreenOak Accounting</a></p><p><a href="https://www.therapyforyourmoney.com/">Therapy for Your Money Podcast</a></p><p>Free tax planning checklist: <a href="https://www.greenoakaccounting.com/tax">greenoakaccounting.com/tax</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/the-4-1-1-on-your-401k/"> The 4-1-1 on your 401K</a></p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences</a></p><p> Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Therapists Struggling with Darkness</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapists-struggling-with-darkness</link>
      <description>Therapists Struggling with Darkness
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists are struggling during the pandemic. We looked at how client material impacts therapists. We also explored unique risk factors and protective factors. We talked about the stigma for therapists to admit that something is not okay as well as the tendency to move that conversation out of the public space (just go to therapy). We have some ideas about how we can better take care of ourselves and each other.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How we are struggling during the pandemic

Sitting with client’s darkness and how that impacts therapists even before the pandemic

The impact client material can have on therapists

The stigma around therapists having mental health concerns

Anxiety contagion, energy drain of working with depression

Impacts on libido, mood, suicidality

Unique risk factors for therapists

Risk factors for suicidality

The heaviness and suicidality that can enter thought processes

The shame and the simplification when therapy is the only suggestion

“We deal with some heavy shit.”

Taking the conversation about therapists struggles out of the social space (“go to therapy”)

The lack of research about therapists as a workforce, the client impact on therapist, or therapists as clients

Therapists as human beings in both private and public ways

The feeling of being stuck and not being able to talk about it when you’re a therapist

How legal and ethical concerns play a part

Having a job, having people around you can be protective factors

Isolation and lack of social support

Boundary issues, vagueness to keep others at bay

How therapists support each other (and the importance of social support)

The danger of feeling trapped, especially if you’re isolated

Practices to incorporate to reinforce resilience

How we consume information and how the people around you are perceiving the news can impact you

Self-assessment of risk factors, identification of protective factors

What actually helps when someone is struggling

The group responsibility as well as our individual responsibilities

How to manage community care without overburdening yourself

The importance of assessing capacity to support and give to our colleagues and friends

Creating reinforcements and structure for regular support

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Signing up for our newsletter
Relevant Episodes:
 Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists
 Therapist Suicide
 Suicidal Therapists
 Therapists in Therapy
 Toxic Work Environments
 The Mental Load of Therapists
 Structuring Self-Care
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the unique risk factors (including client material) that impact therapists</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Therapists Struggling with Darkness
Curt and Katie chat about how therapists are struggling during the pandemic. We looked at how client material impacts therapists. We also explored unique risk factors and protective factors. We talked about the stigma for therapists to admit that something is not okay as well as the tendency to move that conversation out of the public space (just go to therapy). We have some ideas about how we can better take care of ourselves and each other.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How we are struggling during the pandemic

Sitting with client’s darkness and how that impacts therapists even before the pandemic

The impact client material can have on therapists

The stigma around therapists having mental health concerns

Anxiety contagion, energy drain of working with depression

Impacts on libido, mood, suicidality

Unique risk factors for therapists

Risk factors for suicidality

The heaviness and suicidality that can enter thought processes

The shame and the simplification when therapy is the only suggestion

“We deal with some heavy shit.”

Taking the conversation about therapists struggles out of the social space (“go to therapy”)

The lack of research about therapists as a workforce, the client impact on therapist, or therapists as clients

Therapists as human beings in both private and public ways

The feeling of being stuck and not being able to talk about it when you’re a therapist

How legal and ethical concerns play a part

Having a job, having people around you can be protective factors

Isolation and lack of social support

Boundary issues, vagueness to keep others at bay

How therapists support each other (and the importance of social support)

The danger of feeling trapped, especially if you’re isolated

Practices to incorporate to reinforce resilience

How we consume information and how the people around you are perceiving the news can impact you

Self-assessment of risk factors, identification of protective factors

What actually helps when someone is struggling

The group responsibility as well as our individual responsibilities

How to manage community care without overburdening yourself

The importance of assessing capacity to support and give to our colleagues and friends

Creating reinforcements and structure for regular support

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Signing up for our newsletter
Relevant Episodes:
 Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists
 Therapist Suicide
 Suicidal Therapists
 Therapists in Therapy
 Toxic Work Environments
 The Mental Load of Therapists
 Structuring Self-Care
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>Therapists Struggling with Darkness</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists are struggling during the pandemic. We looked at how client material impacts therapists. We also explored unique risk factors and protective factors. We talked about the stigma for therapists to admit that something is not okay as well as the tendency to move that conversation out of the public space (just go to therapy). We have some ideas about how we can better take care of ourselves and each other.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How we are struggling during the pandemic</li>
<li>Sitting with client’s darkness and how that impacts therapists even before the pandemic</li>
<li>The impact client material can have on therapists</li>
<li>The stigma around therapists having mental health concerns</li>
<li>Anxiety contagion, energy drain of working with depression</li>
<li>Impacts on libido, mood, suicidality</li>
<li>Unique risk factors for therapists</li>
<li>Risk factors for suicidality</li>
<li>The heaviness and suicidality that can enter thought processes</li>
<li>The shame and the simplification when therapy is the only suggestion</li>
<li>“We deal with some heavy shit.”</li>
<li>Taking the conversation about therapists struggles out of the social space (“go to therapy”)</li>
<li>The lack of research about therapists as a workforce, the client impact on therapist, or therapists as clients</li>
<li>Therapists as human beings in both private and public ways</li>
<li>The feeling of being stuck and not being able to talk about it when you’re a therapist</li>
<li>How legal and ethical concerns play a part</li>
<li>Having a job, having people around you can be protective factors</li>
<li>Isolation and lack of social support</li>
<li>Boundary issues, vagueness to keep others at bay</li>
<li>How therapists support each other (and the importance of social support)</li>
<li>The danger of feeling trapped, especially if you’re isolated</li>
<li>Practices to incorporate to reinforce resilience</li>
<li>How we consume information and how the people around you are perceiving the news can impact you</li>
<li>Self-assessment of risk factors, identification of protective factors</li>
<li>What actually helps when someone is struggling</li>
<li>The group responsibility as well as our individual responsibilities</li>
<li>How to manage community care without overburdening yourself</li>
<li>The importance of assessing capacity to support and give to our colleagues and friends</li>
<li>Creating reinforcements and structure for regular support</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-survival-guide-podcast/"> Signing up for our newsletter</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/quarantine-self-care-for-therapists/"> Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapist-suicide/"> Therapist Suicide</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/suicidal-therapists/"> Suicidal Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/therapists-in-therapy/"> Therapists in Therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/toxic-work-environments/"> Toxic Work Environments</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/the-mental-load-of-therapists/"> The Mental Load of Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapist-podcast/structuring-self-care/"> Structuring Self-Care</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2021</a></p><p> Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Noteworthy Documentation</title>
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      <description>Noteworthy Documentation
An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT about some basic documentation information as well as updates relevant to the 21st Century Cures Act. Curt and Katie talk with Ben about what to consider when writing your notes including what to include and what should not be included. We look at who can see your progress notes as well as other considerations related to records requests and confidentiality.      
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT
Dr. Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#42723) and the Education and Director for SimplePractice Learning. He currently serves as adjunct faculty for California State University Northridge in Los Angeles. He has taught at the graduate level for more than 15 years, primarily in Law and Ethics, and has written and trained extensively on ethical applications in mental health care. In addition to serving a three-year term on the AAMFT Ethics Committee, Dr. Caldwell served as the Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for AAMFT-California for 10 years. He served as Editor for the Users Guide to the 2015 AAMFT Code of Ethics and is the author for several books, including Saving Psychotherapy and Basics of California Law for LMFTS, LPCCs, and LCSWs.
In this episode we talk about:

Documentation as our favorite thing ever

Excitement about Ben breaking the record on number of interviews on this podcast

What needs to go into your documentation

Accurate, adequate, and timely

Standard of care

How much information to put into your notes

Who is the audience for your documentation

Who might request records

The importance documentation in continuity of care

Where to put client quotes

The difference between progress and process or psychotherapy notes

What can be subpoenaed (including psychotherapy notes)

How much information you include based on what is advisable to protect self

The benefit of doing documentation for yourself as well as for treatment efficacy

The 21st Century Cures Act – Open Notes (deadline now extended through April 2021)

Optional certification process that requires clients to have access to all the information in their chart without charging them)

Most mental health providers have no changes required from this change

Most private practice EHRs are not on these systems

Hospitals may have this requirement, but individual practitioners are not responsible for the mechanism to provide documentation to clients

How to make sure you’re ready for clients to see your documentation

The communication is going on for people who are required to comply with this open notes mandate, including how to access information and who to contact with questions

In most states, clients have a fundamental right to request their records

Confidentiality and access to records for family members, especially parents of minor children

Conversations to have at the beginning of treatment in these situations regarding what will be included in the chart (and what will not be put into the chart)

What not to include in your chart (specifically written reports from child abuse reports)

A debate of who owns the record – who can see them is different from who owns them</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Noteworthy Documentation: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell on clinical documentation basics and the 21st Century Cures Act</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Noteworthy Documentation
An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT about some basic documentation information as well as updates relevant to the 21st Century Cures Act. Curt and Katie talk with Ben about what to consider when writing your notes including what to include and what should not be included. We look at who can see your progress notes as well as other considerations related to records requests and confidentiality.      
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT
Dr. Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#42723) and the Education and Director for SimplePractice Learning. He currently serves as adjunct faculty for California State University Northridge in Los Angeles. He has taught at the graduate level for more than 15 years, primarily in Law and Ethics, and has written and trained extensively on ethical applications in mental health care. In addition to serving a three-year term on the AAMFT Ethics Committee, Dr. Caldwell served as the Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for AAMFT-California for 10 years. He served as Editor for the Users Guide to the 2015 AAMFT Code of Ethics and is the author for several books, including Saving Psychotherapy and Basics of California Law for LMFTS, LPCCs, and LCSWs.
In this episode we talk about:

Documentation as our favorite thing ever

Excitement about Ben breaking the record on number of interviews on this podcast

What needs to go into your documentation

Accurate, adequate, and timely

Standard of care

How much information to put into your notes

Who is the audience for your documentation

Who might request records

The importance documentation in continuity of care

Where to put client quotes

The difference between progress and process or psychotherapy notes

What can be subpoenaed (including psychotherapy notes)

How much information you include based on what is advisable to protect self

The benefit of doing documentation for yourself as well as for treatment efficacy

The 21st Century Cures Act – Open Notes (deadline now extended through April 2021)

Optional certification process that requires clients to have access to all the information in their chart without charging them)

Most mental health providers have no changes required from this change

Most private practice EHRs are not on these systems

Hospitals may have this requirement, but individual practitioners are not responsible for the mechanism to provide documentation to clients

How to make sure you’re ready for clients to see your documentation

The communication is going on for people who are required to comply with this open notes mandate, including how to access information and who to contact with questions

In most states, clients have a fundamental right to request their records

Confidentiality and access to records for family members, especially parents of minor children

Conversations to have at the beginning of treatment in these situations regarding what will be included in the chart (and what will not be put into the chart)

What not to include in your chart (specifically written reports from child abuse reports)

A debate of who owns the record – who can see them is different from who owns them</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Noteworthy Documentation</p><p>An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT about some basic documentation information as well as updates relevant to the 21st Century Cures Act. Curt and Katie talk with Ben about what to consider when writing your notes including what to include and what should not be included. We look at who can see your progress notes as well as other considerations related to records requests and confidentiality.      </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT</p><p>Dr. Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#42723) and the Education and Director for SimplePractice Learning. He currently serves as adjunct faculty for California State University Northridge in Los Angeles. He has taught at the graduate level for more than 15 years, primarily in Law and Ethics, and has written and trained extensively on ethical applications in mental health care. In addition to serving a three-year term on the AAMFT Ethics Committee, Dr. Caldwell served as the Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for AAMFT-California for 10 years. He served as Editor for the Users Guide to the 2015 AAMFT Code of Ethics and is the author for several books, including Saving Psychotherapy and Basics of California Law for LMFTS, LPCCs, and LCSWs.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Documentation as our favorite thing ever</li>
<li>Excitement about Ben breaking the record on number of interviews on this podcast</li>
<li>What needs to go into your documentation</li>
<li>Accurate, adequate, and timely</li>
<li>Standard of care</li>
<li>How much information to put into your notes</li>
<li>Who is the audience for your documentation</li>
<li>Who might request records</li>
<li>The importance documentation in continuity of care</li>
<li>Where to put client quotes</li>
<li>The difference between progress and process or psychotherapy notes</li>
<li>What can be subpoenaed (including psychotherapy notes)</li>
<li>How much information you include based on what is advisable to protect self</li>
<li>The benefit of doing documentation for yourself as well as for treatment efficacy</li>
<li>The 21st Century Cures Act – Open Notes (deadline now extended through April 2021)</li>
<li>Optional certification process that requires clients to have access to all the information in their chart without charging them)</li>
<li>Most mental health providers have no changes required from this change</li>
<li>Most private practice EHRs are not on these systems</li>
<li>Hospitals may have this requirement, but individual practitioners are not responsible for the mechanism to provide documentation to clients</li>
<li>How to make sure you’re ready for clients to see your documentation</li>
<li>The communication is going on for people who are required to comply with this open notes mandate, including how to access information and who to contact with questions</li>
<li>In most states, clients have a fundamental right to request their records</li>
<li>Confidentiality and access to records for family members, especially parents of minor children</li>
<li>Conversations to have at the beginning of treatment in these situations regarding what will be included in the chart (and what will not be put into the chart)</li>
<li>What not to include in your chart (specifically written reports from child abuse reports)</li>
<li>A debate of who owns the record – who can see them is different from who owns them</li>
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      <title>Grad Programs Moving Online</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/grad-programs-moving-online</link>
      <description>Grad Programs Moving Online
Curt and Katie chat about the quick move to online learning when the pandemic hit. We talk about the challenges with virtual platforms – what has worked and what has not. We look at the decisions related to starting or continuing therapist education at this time. We also talk about the opportunities that have been gained and ideas for students and professors on how to more effectively approach online graduate programs.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Graduate programs for therapists moving online during the pandemic

The education one applied for is vastly different from what you’re getting right now

The rapid shift to online education and lack of deliberate choices to shift how to teach

Synchronous and asynchronous elements of education

The requirement for faculty to learn and utilize technology effectively

A lack of interaction due to polite students keeping their mics off

The spoke and wheel conversations that impact how learning happens

The lack of guidance on how to create truly effective online education

Navigating time on screens

Role plays translating into learning telehealth, rather than in-person therapy

The lack of interaction with the material, more passive learning

Developing clinical efficacy for telehealth

The uncertainty of the efficacy of clinical work in the newer space of telehealth

The impact on discussions social justice, racial and cultural identity, due to the ability to opt out of the conversation in online education

The importance of figuring out how people learn and how it applies to the online space

Should people delay or pause education?

What the impacts on the workforce might be

Opportunities within the online learning space, especially when the technology is well used

Theoretical versus practical base

The need to have more deliberate and direct conversations to create connections that may have happened organically

The adjustments and planning that may improve the situation

Different factors that impact each student’s and each professor’s ability to engage

Looking at expectations, support, and needed infrastructure

What students can do to better access education during this time

Developing personal relationships with professors

Putting together options to increase connection and interaction with peers

Seeking career mentorship and synchronous conversations

Moving from venting and commiserating to advocacy within the system

The ability to make changes, be nimble, and put forward a collective voice</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Grad Programs Moving Online</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the quick move to online learning for therapist education</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Grad Programs Moving Online
Curt and Katie chat about the quick move to online learning when the pandemic hit. We talk about the challenges with virtual platforms – what has worked and what has not. We look at the decisions related to starting or continuing therapist education at this time. We also talk about the opportunities that have been gained and ideas for students and professors on how to more effectively approach online graduate programs.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Graduate programs for therapists moving online during the pandemic

The education one applied for is vastly different from what you’re getting right now

The rapid shift to online education and lack of deliberate choices to shift how to teach

Synchronous and asynchronous elements of education

The requirement for faculty to learn and utilize technology effectively

A lack of interaction due to polite students keeping their mics off

The spoke and wheel conversations that impact how learning happens

The lack of guidance on how to create truly effective online education

Navigating time on screens

Role plays translating into learning telehealth, rather than in-person therapy

The lack of interaction with the material, more passive learning

Developing clinical efficacy for telehealth

The uncertainty of the efficacy of clinical work in the newer space of telehealth

The impact on discussions social justice, racial and cultural identity, due to the ability to opt out of the conversation in online education

The importance of figuring out how people learn and how it applies to the online space

Should people delay or pause education?

What the impacts on the workforce might be

Opportunities within the online learning space, especially when the technology is well used

Theoretical versus practical base

The need to have more deliberate and direct conversations to create connections that may have happened organically

The adjustments and planning that may improve the situation

Different factors that impact each student’s and each professor’s ability to engage

Looking at expectations, support, and needed infrastructure

What students can do to better access education during this time

Developing personal relationships with professors

Putting together options to increase connection and interaction with peers

Seeking career mentorship and synchronous conversations

Moving from venting and commiserating to advocacy within the system

The ability to make changes, be nimble, and put forward a collective voice</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Grad Programs Moving Online</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the quick move to online learning when the pandemic hit. We talk about the challenges with virtual platforms – what has worked and what has not. We look at the decisions related to starting or continuing therapist education at this time. We also talk about the opportunities that have been gained and ideas for students and professors on how to more effectively approach online graduate programs.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Graduate programs for therapists moving online during the pandemic</li>
<li>The education one applied for is vastly different from what you’re getting right now</li>
<li>The rapid shift to online education and lack of deliberate choices to shift how to teach</li>
<li>Synchronous and asynchronous elements of education</li>
<li>The requirement for faculty to learn and utilize technology effectively</li>
<li>A lack of interaction due to polite students keeping their mics off</li>
<li>The spoke and wheel conversations that impact how learning happens</li>
<li>The lack of guidance on how to create truly effective online education</li>
<li>Navigating time on screens</li>
<li>Role plays translating into learning telehealth, rather than in-person therapy</li>
<li>The lack of interaction with the material, more passive learning</li>
<li>Developing clinical efficacy for telehealth</li>
<li>The uncertainty of the efficacy of clinical work in the newer space of telehealth</li>
<li>The impact on discussions social justice, racial and cultural identity, due to the ability to opt out of the conversation in online education</li>
<li>The importance of figuring out how people learn and how it applies to the online space</li>
<li>Should people delay or pause education?</li>
<li>What the impacts on the workforce might be</li>
<li>Opportunities within the online learning space, especially when the technology is well used</li>
<li>Theoretical versus practical base</li>
<li>The need to have more deliberate and direct conversations to create connections that may have happened organically</li>
<li>The adjustments and planning that may improve the situation</li>
<li>Different factors that impact each student’s and each professor’s ability to engage</li>
<li>Looking at expectations, support, and needed infrastructure</li>
<li>What students can do to better access education during this time</li>
<li>Developing personal relationships with professors</li>
<li>Putting together options to increase connection and interaction with peers</li>
<li>Seeking career mentorship and synchronous conversations</li>
<li>Moving from venting and commiserating to advocacy within the system</li>
<li>The ability to make changes, be nimble, and put forward a collective voice</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Career Trekking with MTSG</title>
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      <description>Career Trekking with MTSG
An interview with Marissa Esquibel, LMFT on her journey from community mental health to private practice. Curt and Katie talk with Marissa about how she used the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast to shift her mindset and change her career trajectory. Marissa highlights the benefits of belief, guidance, and community.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Marissa Esquibel, LMFT
“Though she be but little, she is fierce.”
– Shakespeare
Marissa Esquibel is not like a regular therapist, she’s a cool therapist. With her practice located near Los Angeles, Marissa is on a one-woman mission to empower young women to stop playing small and to start taking up space. She works exclusively with young adults, 20-something’s, who are checking off all the boxes of “success,” and yet, they feel like failures internally. They often come to Marissa dealing with depression, anxiety, imposter syndrome, or codependency. As an undergraduate, she attended UC Santa Barbara and then received her Masters in Clinical Psychology from California State University, Fullerton. In September of 2018, she became licensed and opened-up shop to her virtual therapy practice in March 2020. When Marissa is not in session with patients, she spends her time reading, hanging out with friends and family, binging on podcasts and audiobooks, attending her own therapy, and making sure to get her 10,000 steps a day. She loves her work, job, and life and looks forward to connecting with you. 
Learn more about Marissa at therapywithmarissa.com
In this episode we talk about:

Marissa’s burnout story and how she made the trek from community mental health to private practice

Reflections on the question: what do therapists get wrong (and the self-analysis and feedback informed nature of the question)

The idea of self-sacrifice and hard work being required to be a good therapist

The importance of critical thinking regarding what is effective, what is healthy for me

How Marissa made the decision to move to a group practice and then her own private practice

Marissa’s experience at Therapy Reimagined 2019 and her follow up with speakers

The need for belief, guidance, and community

Marissa talks about the episodes that helped her to move forward

How Marissa implemented a new plan for her career

“I choose this agony, this heart ache, this effort” – Marissa Esquibel, LMFT

Marissa’s choice to be vulnerable at this time and to keep on going

The determination and belief that has kept Marissa moving forward on her vision and mission

The need to hear from (and connecting with) people at each stage of career development</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Career Trekking with MTSG: An interview with Marissa Esquibel, LMFT </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Marissa Esquibel, LMFT on her journey from community mental health to private practice.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Career Trekking with MTSG
An interview with Marissa Esquibel, LMFT on her journey from community mental health to private practice. Curt and Katie talk with Marissa about how she used the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast to shift her mindset and change her career trajectory. Marissa highlights the benefits of belief, guidance, and community.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Marissa Esquibel, LMFT
“Though she be but little, she is fierce.”
– Shakespeare
Marissa Esquibel is not like a regular therapist, she’s a cool therapist. With her practice located near Los Angeles, Marissa is on a one-woman mission to empower young women to stop playing small and to start taking up space. She works exclusively with young adults, 20-something’s, who are checking off all the boxes of “success,” and yet, they feel like failures internally. They often come to Marissa dealing with depression, anxiety, imposter syndrome, or codependency. As an undergraduate, she attended UC Santa Barbara and then received her Masters in Clinical Psychology from California State University, Fullerton. In September of 2018, she became licensed and opened-up shop to her virtual therapy practice in March 2020. When Marissa is not in session with patients, she spends her time reading, hanging out with friends and family, binging on podcasts and audiobooks, attending her own therapy, and making sure to get her 10,000 steps a day. She loves her work, job, and life and looks forward to connecting with you. 
Learn more about Marissa at therapywithmarissa.com
In this episode we talk about:

Marissa’s burnout story and how she made the trek from community mental health to private practice

Reflections on the question: what do therapists get wrong (and the self-analysis and feedback informed nature of the question)

The idea of self-sacrifice and hard work being required to be a good therapist

The importance of critical thinking regarding what is effective, what is healthy for me

How Marissa made the decision to move to a group practice and then her own private practice

Marissa’s experience at Therapy Reimagined 2019 and her follow up with speakers

The need for belief, guidance, and community

Marissa talks about the episodes that helped her to move forward

How Marissa implemented a new plan for her career

“I choose this agony, this heart ache, this effort” – Marissa Esquibel, LMFT

Marissa’s choice to be vulnerable at this time and to keep on going

The determination and belief that has kept Marissa moving forward on her vision and mission

The need to hear from (and connecting with) people at each stage of career development</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Career Trekking with MTSG</p><p>An interview with Marissa Esquibel, LMFT on her journey from community mental health to private practice. Curt and Katie talk with Marissa about how she used the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide podcast to shift her mindset and change her career trajectory. Marissa highlights the benefits of belief, guidance, and community.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Marissa Esquibel, LMFT</p><p><em>“Though she be but little, she is fierce.”</em></p><p>– Shakespeare</p><p>Marissa Esquibel is not like a regular therapist, she’s a <em>cool </em>therapist. With her practice located near Los Angeles, Marissa is on a one-woman mission to empower young women to stop playing small and to start taking up space. She works exclusively with young adults, 20-something’s, who are checking off all the boxes of “success,” and yet, they feel like failures internally. They often come to Marissa dealing with depression, anxiety, imposter syndrome, or codependency. As an undergraduate, she attended UC Santa Barbara and then received her Masters in Clinical Psychology from California State University, Fullerton. In September of 2018, she became licensed and opened-up shop to her virtual therapy practice in March 2020. When Marissa is not in session with patients, she spends her time reading, hanging out with friends and family, binging on podcasts and audiobooks, attending her own therapy, and making sure to get her 10,000 steps a day. She loves her work, job, and life and looks forward to connecting with you. </p><p>Learn more about Marissa at <a href="https://therapywithmarissa.com/">therapywithmarissa.com</a></p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Marissa’s burnout story and how she made the trek from community mental health to private practice</li>
<li>Reflections on the question: what do therapists get wrong (and the self-analysis and feedback informed nature of the question)</li>
<li>The idea of self-sacrifice and hard work being required to be a good therapist</li>
<li>The importance of critical thinking regarding what is effective, what is healthy for me</li>
<li>How Marissa made the decision to move to a group practice and then her own private practice</li>
<li>Marissa’s experience at Therapy Reimagined 2019 and her follow up with speakers</li>
<li>The need for belief, guidance, and community</li>
<li>Marissa talks about the episodes that helped her to move forward</li>
<li>How Marissa implemented a new plan for her career</li>
<li>“I choose this agony, this heart ache, this effort” – Marissa Esquibel, LMFT</li>
<li>Marissa’s choice to be vulnerable at this time and to keep on going</li>
<li>The determination and belief that has kept Marissa moving forward on her vision and mission</li>
<li>The need to hear from (and connecting with) people at each stage of career development</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/quarantine-self-care-for-therapists</link>
      <description>Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about the challenges for therapists during the pandemic. We look at what is unique to therapists’ experiences, causes of burnout, and ways in which therapists can work to protect their mental health and wellness during this time.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How therapists can take care of themselves during this time

The risks for burnout during COVID – study in the Asian Journal of Psychiatry

Taking on clients’ emotions, reacting together in real time

Compassion fatigue and vicarious trauma

The strain of “in this together”

Lack of the usual go-to self-care practices

Lack of in-person community and connection

Difficulty in getting feedback related to how we’re being received

Not knowing if we’re providing effective therapy

The concept of stasis, and just waiting for things to go back to normal

Longer term therapy due to lack of progress or on-going stressors

The lack of distraction from work or other responsibilities

The danger of filling time with work

The struggle or concern related to raising fees during a pandemic

How work may have become more of a grind

Lack of creativity or inspiration

The importance of taking a self-assessment

Realistic expectations

Priorities and values

All the roles we are playing right now

What resources do we have available to us?

Creating separation between work and personal space (through physical separation, ritual, structure)

How to identify opportunities with what is happening now

Identifying new challenges and risks, how to mitigate risks

Creating a sustainable situation even if it is just for now

Managing your schedule

Connecting with your community, so you don’t feel so isolated

The importance of breaks</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about burnout during the pandemic</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists
Curt and Katie chat about the challenges for therapists during the pandemic. We look at what is unique to therapists’ experiences, causes of burnout, and ways in which therapists can work to protect their mental health and wellness during this time.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How therapists can take care of themselves during this time

The risks for burnout during COVID – study in the Asian Journal of Psychiatry

Taking on clients’ emotions, reacting together in real time

Compassion fatigue and vicarious trauma

The strain of “in this together”

Lack of the usual go-to self-care practices

Lack of in-person community and connection

Difficulty in getting feedback related to how we’re being received

Not knowing if we’re providing effective therapy

The concept of stasis, and just waiting for things to go back to normal

Longer term therapy due to lack of progress or on-going stressors

The lack of distraction from work or other responsibilities

The danger of filling time with work

The struggle or concern related to raising fees during a pandemic

How work may have become more of a grind

Lack of creativity or inspiration

The importance of taking a self-assessment

Realistic expectations

Priorities and values

All the roles we are playing right now

What resources do we have available to us?

Creating separation between work and personal space (through physical separation, ritual, structure)

How to identify opportunities with what is happening now

Identifying new challenges and risks, how to mitigate risks

Creating a sustainable situation even if it is just for now

Managing your schedule

Connecting with your community, so you don’t feel so isolated

The importance of breaks</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Quarantine Self-Care for Therapists</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the challenges for therapists during the pandemic. We look at what is unique to therapists’ experiences, causes of burnout, and ways in which therapists can work to protect their mental health and wellness during this time.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How therapists can take care of themselves during this time</li>
<li>The risks for burnout during COVID – study in the Asian Journal of Psychiatry</li>
<li>Taking on clients’ emotions, reacting together in real time</li>
<li>Compassion fatigue and vicarious trauma</li>
<li>The strain of “in this together”</li>
<li>Lack of the usual go-to self-care practices</li>
<li>Lack of in-person community and connection</li>
<li>Difficulty in getting feedback related to how we’re being received</li>
<li>Not knowing if we’re providing effective therapy</li>
<li>The concept of stasis, and just waiting for things to go back to normal</li>
<li>Longer term therapy due to lack of progress or on-going stressors</li>
<li>The lack of distraction from work or other responsibilities</li>
<li>The danger of filling time with work</li>
<li>The struggle or concern related to raising fees during a pandemic</li>
<li>How work may have become more of a grind</li>
<li>Lack of creativity or inspiration</li>
<li>The importance of taking a self-assessment</li>
<li>Realistic expectations</li>
<li>Priorities and values</li>
<li>All the roles we are playing right now</li>
<li>What resources do we have available to us?</li>
<li>Creating separation between work and personal space (through physical separation, ritual, structure)</li>
<li>How to identify opportunities with what is happening now</li>
<li>Identifying new challenges and risks, how to mitigate risks</li>
<li>Creating a sustainable situation even if it is just for now</li>
<li>Managing your schedule</li>
<li>Connecting with your community, so you don’t feel so isolated</li>
<li>The importance of breaks</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <itunes:duration>2381</itunes:duration>
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      <title>All Things Group Therapy</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/all-things-group-therapy-0</link>
      <description>All Things Group Therapy
An interview with Katie K. May, of Become a Group Guru, about creating effective therapy groups. Curt and Katie talk with Katie May about the clinical elements of group creation as well as the business elements that support effective groups. We look at screening, developing the group container, and curriculum considerations.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Katie K. May, LPC, The Group Guru
Katie K. May is a licensed therapist and online course creator. She helps therapists market and fill groups and online group programs so that they can scale their impact and increase their income, without adding more hours in the office. To learn more and gain access to free trainings and resources to generate new clients like magic, visit www.becomeagroupguru.com
In this episode we talk about:

Building and running therapy groups

Why therapists wait too long to build their therapy groups

The challenge of knowing when to actually start a group

Language to use in marketing a group you’ve not started

The different types of groups you can provide

The importance of aligning your client and your curriculum

How to create your own curriculum

The group container that is built

The anxiety that many therapists face when looking to develop a group

How group therapy can align with treatment goals

How to talk with your individual therapy clients to move into group

Overcoming imposter syndrome when moving into providing group therapy

Innovative ways to start to develop group norms, goals, and cohesion

The skills we have from other elements of being a therapist that we can use within group

Different activity ideas that support group members talking to each other

Screening criteria for inclusion and exclusion

How to navigate clients who may not be appropriate for group, or may show up differently in the group versus how they show up for initial screening

Navigating to online group therapy during the pandemic

Consciously talking about how to be together online

Looking at the logistics of telehealth groups (i.e., platforms that work for groups)

How to start a group – clarity on who the group is for, what group members are experiencing, and what outcomes are you offering

Providing group to your individual clients

How to assess interest for group

Different ways to learn about doing group and the power of learning by doing</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>All Things Group Therapy: An interview with Katie K. May</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/96d6956e-690e-11ed-9001-eb03684f8246/image/Episode_179.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Katie K. May</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>All Things Group Therapy
An interview with Katie K. May, of Become a Group Guru, about creating effective therapy groups. Curt and Katie talk with Katie May about the clinical elements of group creation as well as the business elements that support effective groups. We look at screening, developing the group container, and curriculum considerations.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Katie K. May, LPC, The Group Guru
Katie K. May is a licensed therapist and online course creator. She helps therapists market and fill groups and online group programs so that they can scale their impact and increase their income, without adding more hours in the office. To learn more and gain access to free trainings and resources to generate new clients like magic, visit www.becomeagroupguru.com
In this episode we talk about:

Building and running therapy groups

Why therapists wait too long to build their therapy groups

The challenge of knowing when to actually start a group

Language to use in marketing a group you’ve not started

The different types of groups you can provide

The importance of aligning your client and your curriculum

How to create your own curriculum

The group container that is built

The anxiety that many therapists face when looking to develop a group

How group therapy can align with treatment goals

How to talk with your individual therapy clients to move into group

Overcoming imposter syndrome when moving into providing group therapy

Innovative ways to start to develop group norms, goals, and cohesion

The skills we have from other elements of being a therapist that we can use within group

Different activity ideas that support group members talking to each other

Screening criteria for inclusion and exclusion

How to navigate clients who may not be appropriate for group, or may show up differently in the group versus how they show up for initial screening

Navigating to online group therapy during the pandemic

Consciously talking about how to be together online

Looking at the logistics of telehealth groups (i.e., platforms that work for groups)

How to start a group – clarity on who the group is for, what group members are experiencing, and what outcomes are you offering

Providing group to your individual clients

How to assess interest for group

Different ways to learn about doing group and the power of learning by doing</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>All Things Group Therapy</p><p>An interview with Katie K. May, of Become a Group Guru, about creating effective therapy groups. Curt and Katie talk with Katie May about the clinical elements of group creation as well as the business elements that support effective groups. We look at screening, developing the group container, and curriculum considerations.   </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Katie K. May, LPC, The Group Guru</p><p>Katie K. May is a licensed therapist and online course creator. She helps therapists market and fill groups and online group programs so that they can scale their impact and increase their income, without adding more hours in the office. To learn more and gain access to free trainings and resources to generate new clients like magic, visit <a href="http://www.becomeagroupguru.com/">www.becomeagroupguru.com</a></p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Building and running therapy groups</li>
<li>Why therapists wait too long to build their therapy groups</li>
<li>The challenge of knowing when to actually start a group</li>
<li>Language to use in marketing a group you’ve not started</li>
<li>The different types of groups you can provide</li>
<li>The importance of aligning your client and your curriculum</li>
<li>How to create your own curriculum</li>
<li>The group container that is built</li>
<li>The anxiety that many therapists face when looking to develop a group</li>
<li>How group therapy can align with treatment goals</li>
<li>How to talk with your individual therapy clients to move into group</li>
<li>Overcoming imposter syndrome when moving into providing group therapy</li>
<li>Innovative ways to start to develop group norms, goals, and cohesion</li>
<li>The skills we have from other elements of being a therapist that we can use within group</li>
<li>Different activity ideas that support group members talking to each other</li>
<li>Screening criteria for inclusion and exclusion</li>
<li>How to navigate clients who may not be appropriate for group, or may show up differently in the group versus how they show up for initial screening</li>
<li>Navigating to online group therapy during the pandemic</li>
<li>Consciously talking about how to be together online</li>
<li>Looking at the logistics of telehealth groups (i.e., platforms that work for groups)</li>
<li>How to start a group – clarity on who the group is for, what group members are experiencing, and what outcomes are you offering</li>
<li>Providing group to your individual clients</li>
<li>How to assess interest for group</li>
<li>Different ways to learn about doing group and the power of learning by doing</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Online Therapy Apps</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/online-therapy-apps</link>
      <description>Online Therapy Apps
Curt and Katie chat about online platforms that hire clinicians to provide therapy through their apps. We look at how companies like Talkspace and BetterHelp operate related to their workforce, customer data use, and effective client care. We look at the potential for increased mental health access. We also talk about the risks as well as ethical and legal concerns that clinicians may face if they choose to provide services through these apps.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The different telehealth platforms that hire therapists

The boundary and privacy issues identified at Talkspace from a NY Times article

The use of customer data

Clinical efficacy

Risk and liability issues related to incorporating Artificial Intelligence into treatment

How the platforms work on the clinician side, how clinician gets paid

The packages that clients get on word limits, etc. where they may have to renew early to continue treatment

The potential clinical issues with how therapists get paid in these apps

What is incentivized for therapists on these platforms

The boon to mental health access and treatment flexibility from these apps, including text, phone, and video (synchronous and asynchronous communication)

The caution about these apps growing beyond their capacity to serve clients

The types of clients who are good candidates for these platforms

The concern about clients being anonymous to their therapists

Managing escalating risk without sufficient information

“Counselor” versus “Counseling” services, which provides some cover related to requirements for therapy services and for employee concerns

The potential for practicing across state lines

The Talkspace memo about practicing across state lines and the app paying for legal fees

The legal and ethical risks for practicing across state lines, no matter the help from Talkspace

Rating manipulation – false reviews</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Online Therapy Apps</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie dig into the good, the bad, and the ugly of online therapy platforms like Talkspace and BetterHelp </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Online Therapy Apps
Curt and Katie chat about online platforms that hire clinicians to provide therapy through their apps. We look at how companies like Talkspace and BetterHelp operate related to their workforce, customer data use, and effective client care. We look at the potential for increased mental health access. We also talk about the risks as well as ethical and legal concerns that clinicians may face if they choose to provide services through these apps.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The different telehealth platforms that hire therapists

The boundary and privacy issues identified at Talkspace from a NY Times article

The use of customer data

Clinical efficacy

Risk and liability issues related to incorporating Artificial Intelligence into treatment

How the platforms work on the clinician side, how clinician gets paid

The packages that clients get on word limits, etc. where they may have to renew early to continue treatment

The potential clinical issues with how therapists get paid in these apps

What is incentivized for therapists on these platforms

The boon to mental health access and treatment flexibility from these apps, including text, phone, and video (synchronous and asynchronous communication)

The caution about these apps growing beyond their capacity to serve clients

The types of clients who are good candidates for these platforms

The concern about clients being anonymous to their therapists

Managing escalating risk without sufficient information

“Counselor” versus “Counseling” services, which provides some cover related to requirements for therapy services and for employee concerns

The potential for practicing across state lines

The Talkspace memo about practicing across state lines and the app paying for legal fees

The legal and ethical risks for practicing across state lines, no matter the help from Talkspace

Rating manipulation – false reviews</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Online Therapy Apps</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about online platforms that hire clinicians to provide therapy through their apps. We look at how companies like Talkspace and BetterHelp operate related to their workforce, customer data use, and effective client care. We look at the potential for increased mental health access. We also talk about the risks as well as ethical and legal concerns that clinicians may face if they choose to provide services through these apps.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The different telehealth platforms that hire therapists</li>
<li>The boundary and privacy issues identified at Talkspace from a NY Times article</li>
<li>The use of customer data</li>
<li>Clinical efficacy</li>
<li>Risk and liability issues related to incorporating Artificial Intelligence into treatment</li>
<li>How the platforms work on the clinician side, how clinician gets paid</li>
<li>The packages that clients get on word limits, etc. where they may have to renew early to continue treatment</li>
<li>The potential clinical issues with how therapists get paid in these apps</li>
<li>What is incentivized for therapists on these platforms</li>
<li>The boon to mental health access and treatment flexibility from these apps, including text, phone, and video (synchronous and asynchronous communication)</li>
<li>The caution about these apps growing beyond their capacity to serve clients</li>
<li>The types of clients who are good candidates for these platforms</li>
<li>The concern about clients being anonymous to their therapists</li>
<li>Managing escalating risk without sufficient information</li>
<li>“Counselor” versus “Counseling” services, which provides some cover related to requirements for therapy services and for employee concerns</li>
<li>The potential for practicing across state lines</li>
<li>The Talkspace memo about practicing across state lines and the app paying for legal fees</li>
<li>The legal and ethical risks for practicing across state lines, no matter the help from Talkspace</li>
</ul><p>Rating manipulation – false reviews</p>]]>
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      <title>Biden and Trump on Mental Health</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/biden-and-trump-on-mental-health</link>
      <description>Biden and Trump on Mental Health
Curt and Katie chat about policies, promises, and actions taken by President Donald Trump and Vice President Joe Biden related to mental health. We look at mental health parity, the Affordable Care Act, Medicaid, prisons, funding priorities, as well as the importance of voting.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The promises and the actions taken by President Trump and Vice President Biden on mental health

Mental Health Parity and the Affordable Care Act

Medicaid Funding and Social Services

Prison and Jail Systems

Mental Health workforce

The difference between budget allotments and how much money actually gets to the programs

The opioid epidemic

Suicide prevention and veterans

How the candidates talk about mental health and drug abuse

Trumps attack on Hunter Biden and desire to reopen mental institutions

Control and punishment versus prevention and support

Biden normalizing mental health care

The importance of voting</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Biden and Trump on Mental Health</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/9772e7c0-690e-11ed-9001-7b793d3b9095/image/Episode_177.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about policies, promises and actions from each of the presidential candidates related to mental health</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Biden and Trump on Mental Health
Curt and Katie chat about policies, promises, and actions taken by President Donald Trump and Vice President Joe Biden related to mental health. We look at mental health parity, the Affordable Care Act, Medicaid, prisons, funding priorities, as well as the importance of voting.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The promises and the actions taken by President Trump and Vice President Biden on mental health

Mental Health Parity and the Affordable Care Act

Medicaid Funding and Social Services

Prison and Jail Systems

Mental Health workforce

The difference between budget allotments and how much money actually gets to the programs

The opioid epidemic

Suicide prevention and veterans

How the candidates talk about mental health and drug abuse

Trumps attack on Hunter Biden and desire to reopen mental institutions

Control and punishment versus prevention and support

Biden normalizing mental health care

The importance of voting</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Biden and Trump on Mental Health</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about policies, promises, and actions taken by President Donald Trump and Vice President Joe Biden related to mental health. We look at mental health parity, the Affordable Care Act, Medicaid, prisons, funding priorities, as well as the importance of voting.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The promises and the actions taken by President Trump and Vice President Biden on mental health</li>
<li>Mental Health Parity and the Affordable Care Act</li>
<li>Medicaid Funding and Social Services</li>
<li>Prison and Jail Systems</li>
<li>Mental Health workforce</li>
<li>The difference between budget allotments and how much money actually gets to the programs</li>
<li>The opioid epidemic</li>
<li>Suicide prevention and veterans</li>
<li>How the candidates talk about mental health and drug abuse</li>
<li>Trumps attack on Hunter Biden and desire to reopen mental institutions</li>
<li>Control and punishment versus prevention and support</li>
<li>Biden normalizing mental health care</li>
<li>The importance of voting</li>
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      <title>Treating Political Reactionism and the War on Science</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/treating-political-reactionism-and-the-war-on-science</link>
      <description>Treating Political Reactionism and the War on Science
An interview with Dr. Tereza Capelos on why people become politically reactionary, as well as how this orientation also leads to an anti-science and anti-progress stance. Curt and Katie talk with Tereza about the research behind political reactionism, looking at the characteristics of someone who is primed to be politically reactive. We also talk about how therapists can help clients address this harmful dynamic. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Tereza Capelos, Director of the Institute for Conflict Cooperation and Security at the University of Birmingham, and Senior Lecturer in Political Psychology
Dr Tereza Capelos is Senior Lecturer in Political Psychology, Director at the Institute for Conflict, Cooperation and Security (ICCS) at the University of Birmingham (UoB), President Elect of the International Society of Political Psychology, and co-chair of the Political Psychology Standing Group of the European Consortium of Political Research. Tereza’s research examines the psychological determinants of political preferences with particular focus on political reactionism, resentful affect and political radicalization during crises and tensions. She is currently co-editing a special issue titled “Reactionary Politics and Resentful Affect in Populist Times”. She has a PhD from Stony Brook University (USA) and worked at the University of Leiden and the University of Surrey. She serves on the editorial board of five international journals, and co-edits the Palgrave Series in Political Psychology. Tereza founded and directed the Summer Academy training program of the International Society of Political Psychology (ISPP, 2011-2016) and currently directs two graduate programs (MSc Political Psychology of IR, and MSc Global Cooperation and Security) at UoB.
In this episode we talk about:

Intersection between psychology and politics

Research on voters who are politically reactive

Political Reactionism – how it is created and what it looks like

The role of shame, fear, resentment, and anger in voting

Anti-preference – to want to move backward, rather than forward

Uncertainty, feelings of resentment, perception of injustice

Populism as a mechanism to devalue what you cannot have, find who is at fault, how to turn things back to a better time

The lure of the idealized or fictional past

Reactionism is not related to a specific ideology – can happen on the left or right

Feelings and beliefs are more likely to drive decisions than ideology

The way that a reactionary orientation can lead to problematic behaviors

The problem with being anti-progress, especially related to solving the problems we are facing

The difficulty reactionaries with engaging with science

Seeking to prove, with confirmation bias – rather than to testing hypotheses

The anti-expert sentiment that is based in this problem with science and with uncertainty

The insight required to identify when we become reactionary

How people label the emotions related to reactionism (and the problem with not knowing how to identify and label our emotions)

What therapists can do to help vent emotions related to the resentment that leads to a reactionary orientation

Helping people to see neutral and positive uncertainty – rather than only negative uncertainty

Bringing people into the scientific method, disappointing them that they will not be “proving” or “confirming,” but rather “testing”</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Tereza Capelos</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Treating Political Reactionism and the War on Science
An interview with Dr. Tereza Capelos on why people become politically reactionary, as well as how this orientation also leads to an anti-science and anti-progress stance. Curt and Katie talk with Tereza about the research behind political reactionism, looking at the characteristics of someone who is primed to be politically reactive. We also talk about how therapists can help clients address this harmful dynamic. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Tereza Capelos, Director of the Institute for Conflict Cooperation and Security at the University of Birmingham, and Senior Lecturer in Political Psychology
Dr Tereza Capelos is Senior Lecturer in Political Psychology, Director at the Institute for Conflict, Cooperation and Security (ICCS) at the University of Birmingham (UoB), President Elect of the International Society of Political Psychology, and co-chair of the Political Psychology Standing Group of the European Consortium of Political Research. Tereza’s research examines the psychological determinants of political preferences with particular focus on political reactionism, resentful affect and political radicalization during crises and tensions. She is currently co-editing a special issue titled “Reactionary Politics and Resentful Affect in Populist Times”. She has a PhD from Stony Brook University (USA) and worked at the University of Leiden and the University of Surrey. She serves on the editorial board of five international journals, and co-edits the Palgrave Series in Political Psychology. Tereza founded and directed the Summer Academy training program of the International Society of Political Psychology (ISPP, 2011-2016) and currently directs two graduate programs (MSc Political Psychology of IR, and MSc Global Cooperation and Security) at UoB.
In this episode we talk about:

Intersection between psychology and politics

Research on voters who are politically reactive

Political Reactionism – how it is created and what it looks like

The role of shame, fear, resentment, and anger in voting

Anti-preference – to want to move backward, rather than forward

Uncertainty, feelings of resentment, perception of injustice

Populism as a mechanism to devalue what you cannot have, find who is at fault, how to turn things back to a better time

The lure of the idealized or fictional past

Reactionism is not related to a specific ideology – can happen on the left or right

Feelings and beliefs are more likely to drive decisions than ideology

The way that a reactionary orientation can lead to problematic behaviors

The problem with being anti-progress, especially related to solving the problems we are facing

The difficulty reactionaries with engaging with science

Seeking to prove, with confirmation bias – rather than to testing hypotheses

The anti-expert sentiment that is based in this problem with science and with uncertainty

The insight required to identify when we become reactionary

How people label the emotions related to reactionism (and the problem with not knowing how to identify and label our emotions)

What therapists can do to help vent emotions related to the resentment that leads to a reactionary orientation

Helping people to see neutral and positive uncertainty – rather than only negative uncertainty

Bringing people into the scientific method, disappointing them that they will not be “proving” or “confirming,” but rather “testing”</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Treating Political Reactionism and the War on Science</p><p>An interview with Dr. Tereza Capelos on why people become politically reactionary, as well as how this orientation also leads to an anti-science and anti-progress stance. Curt and Katie talk with Tereza about the research behind political reactionism, looking at the characteristics of someone who is primed to be politically reactive. We also talk about how therapists can help clients address this harmful dynamic. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Tereza Capelos, Director of the Institute for Conflict Cooperation and Security at the University of Birmingham, and Senior Lecturer in Political Psychology</p><p>Dr Tereza Capelos is Senior Lecturer in Political Psychology, Director at the Institute for Conflict, Cooperation and Security (ICCS) at the University of Birmingham (UoB), President Elect of the International Society of Political Psychology, and co-chair of the Political Psychology Standing Group of the European Consortium of Political Research. Tereza’s research examines the psychological determinants of political preferences with particular focus on political reactionism, resentful affect and political radicalization during crises and tensions. She is currently co-editing a special issue titled “Reactionary Politics and Resentful Affect in Populist Times”. She has a PhD from Stony Brook University (USA) and worked at the University of Leiden and the University of Surrey. She serves on the editorial board of five international journals, and co-edits the Palgrave Series in Political Psychology. Tereza founded and directed the Summer Academy training program of the International Society of Political Psychology (ISPP, 2011-2016) and currently directs two graduate programs (MSc Political Psychology of IR, and MSc Global Cooperation and Security) at UoB.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Intersection between psychology and politics</li>
<li>Research on voters who are politically reactive</li>
<li>Political Reactionism – how it is created and what it looks like</li>
<li>The role of shame, fear, resentment, and anger in voting</li>
<li>Anti-preference – to want to move backward, rather than forward</li>
<li>Uncertainty, feelings of resentment, perception of injustice</li>
<li>Populism as a mechanism to devalue what you cannot have, find who is at fault, how to turn things back to a better time</li>
<li>The lure of the idealized or fictional past</li>
<li>Reactionism is not related to a specific ideology – can happen on the left or right</li>
<li>Feelings and beliefs are more likely to drive decisions than ideology</li>
<li>The way that a reactionary orientation can lead to problematic behaviors</li>
<li>The problem with being anti-progress, especially related to solving the problems we are facing</li>
<li>The difficulty reactionaries with engaging with science</li>
<li>Seeking to prove, with confirmation bias – rather than to testing hypotheses</li>
<li>The anti-expert sentiment that is based in this problem with science and with uncertainty</li>
<li>The insight required to identify when we become reactionary</li>
<li>How people label the emotions related to reactionism (and the problem with not knowing how to identify and label our emotions)</li>
<li>What therapists can do to help vent emotions related to the resentment that leads to a reactionary orientation</li>
<li>Helping people to see neutral and positive uncertainty – rather than only negative uncertainty</li>
<li>Bringing people into the scientific method, disappointing them that they will not be “proving” or “confirming,” but rather “testing”</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Therapy for Intercountry Transracial Adoptees</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapy-for-intercountry-transracial-adoptees</link>
      <description>Therapy for Intercountry Transracial Adoptees
An interview with Moses Farrow, LMFT on adoption, mental health and the experiences as an adoptee doing adoption therapy. Curt and Katie explore with Moses key aspects of being an intercountry transracial adoptee, implications for therapy, the importance of race and culture and addressing racism. We also discuss the importance of being an adoptee as an adoption therapist and the biggest issues facing adoptees including suicide and what is being done to help.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Moses Farrow, LMFT
Moses Farrow, LMFT is a Korean adoptee adoption-focused therapist in private practice. In his capacities as an advocate, program coordinator, and direct service provider, Moses has supported adoption reform, child abuse prevention, anti-racism, and the destigmatization of mental health. Currently, one of his primary interests is to educate and promote suicide prevention among adoptees. As the lead for the mental health team at the Gide Foundation, he is developing projects that bring mental health to the forefront within the intercountry transracial adoptee community. Research has shown that the rate of suicide attempts is 4 times higher among adoptees than people who are not adopted. In recent years, Moses has written about his personal experience including the loss of three adopted siblings who died by suicide. In previous years, he has worked in community-based programs, hospital settings and outpatient practices. He has advocated for adoptees to have access to their original birth certificates and presented nationally on the need for post adoption services. Moses believes in empowering people to speak their truth in order to be seen and heard. It’s about saving lives.
In this episode we talk about:

Lack of knowledge around adoptees’ mental health and suicide rate

The process of coming out of the adoptee fog

Adoption as an industry rather than a way to create families

Different types of adoption

The narrative that adoptive parents get, regardless of the demographics of the parents or the adoptee – “Forever Families”

Internal conflict related to how one is raised and how one looks (i.e., native culture)

Looking at our own biases and blind spots related to intercountry transracial adoptees

The importance of educating ourselves about the adoptee experience

Each adoption experience is unique – there is a range of adjustment, mental health concerns, connection with adoptive family

Looking at the identity and how does one define oneself when they don’t fit here or in the country where one was born.

Identity formation when one is an intercountry, transracial adoptee

Internalized racism, lack of connection to native country, lack of acknowledgment of native culture

Places to get support with other adoptees facing similar struggles

Suggestions for working with parents of adoptees

The history of the adoption industry and why it is problematic

Ideas for advocacy related to adoption

The recommendation for adoptive parents to do their own therapeutic work

#InvisibleElephant

The complexity of racism as an intercountry transracial adoptee

The importance of solidarity with BLM</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapy for Intercountry Transracial Adoptees: An interview with Moses Farrow</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/98104be6-690e-11ed-9001-6b80c386c707/image/Episode_175.jpg?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Moses Farrow, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Therapy for Intercountry Transracial Adoptees
An interview with Moses Farrow, LMFT on adoption, mental health and the experiences as an adoptee doing adoption therapy. Curt and Katie explore with Moses key aspects of being an intercountry transracial adoptee, implications for therapy, the importance of race and culture and addressing racism. We also discuss the importance of being an adoptee as an adoption therapist and the biggest issues facing adoptees including suicide and what is being done to help.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Moses Farrow, LMFT
Moses Farrow, LMFT is a Korean adoptee adoption-focused therapist in private practice. In his capacities as an advocate, program coordinator, and direct service provider, Moses has supported adoption reform, child abuse prevention, anti-racism, and the destigmatization of mental health. Currently, one of his primary interests is to educate and promote suicide prevention among adoptees. As the lead for the mental health team at the Gide Foundation, he is developing projects that bring mental health to the forefront within the intercountry transracial adoptee community. Research has shown that the rate of suicide attempts is 4 times higher among adoptees than people who are not adopted. In recent years, Moses has written about his personal experience including the loss of three adopted siblings who died by suicide. In previous years, he has worked in community-based programs, hospital settings and outpatient practices. He has advocated for adoptees to have access to their original birth certificates and presented nationally on the need for post adoption services. Moses believes in empowering people to speak their truth in order to be seen and heard. It’s about saving lives.
In this episode we talk about:

Lack of knowledge around adoptees’ mental health and suicide rate

The process of coming out of the adoptee fog

Adoption as an industry rather than a way to create families

Different types of adoption

The narrative that adoptive parents get, regardless of the demographics of the parents or the adoptee – “Forever Families”

Internal conflict related to how one is raised and how one looks (i.e., native culture)

Looking at our own biases and blind spots related to intercountry transracial adoptees

The importance of educating ourselves about the adoptee experience

Each adoption experience is unique – there is a range of adjustment, mental health concerns, connection with adoptive family

Looking at the identity and how does one define oneself when they don’t fit here or in the country where one was born.

Identity formation when one is an intercountry, transracial adoptee

Internalized racism, lack of connection to native country, lack of acknowledgment of native culture

Places to get support with other adoptees facing similar struggles

Suggestions for working with parents of adoptees

The history of the adoption industry and why it is problematic

Ideas for advocacy related to adoption

The recommendation for adoptive parents to do their own therapeutic work

#InvisibleElephant

The complexity of racism as an intercountry transracial adoptee

The importance of solidarity with BLM</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Therapy for Intercountry Transracial Adoptees</p><p>An interview with Moses Farrow, LMFT on adoption, mental health and the experiences as an adoptee doing adoption therapy. Curt and Katie explore with Moses key aspects of being an intercountry transracial adoptee, implications for therapy, the importance of race and culture and addressing racism. We also discuss the importance of being an adoptee as an adoption therapist and the biggest issues facing adoptees including suicide and what is being done to help.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Moses Farrow, LMFT</p><p>Moses Farrow, LMFT is a Korean adoptee adoption-focused therapist in private practice. In his capacities as an advocate, program coordinator, and direct service provider, Moses has supported adoption reform, child abuse prevention, anti-racism, and the destigmatization of mental health. Currently, one of his primary interests is to educate and promote suicide prevention among adoptees. As the lead for the mental health team at the Gide Foundation, he is developing projects that bring mental health to the forefront within the intercountry transracial adoptee community. Research has shown that the rate of suicide attempts is 4 times higher among adoptees than people who are not adopted. In recent years, Moses has written about his personal experience including the loss of three adopted siblings who died by suicide. In previous years, he has worked in community-based programs, hospital settings and outpatient practices. He has advocated for adoptees to have access to their original birth certificates and presented nationally on the need for post adoption services. Moses believes in empowering people to speak their truth in order to be seen and heard. It’s about saving lives.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Lack of knowledge around adoptees’ mental health and suicide rate</li>
<li>The process of coming out of the adoptee fog</li>
<li>Adoption as an industry rather than a way to create families</li>
<li>Different types of adoption</li>
<li>The narrative that adoptive parents get, regardless of the demographics of the parents or the adoptee – “Forever Families”</li>
<li>Internal conflict related to how one is raised and how one looks (i.e., native culture)</li>
<li>Looking at our own biases and blind spots related to intercountry transracial adoptees</li>
<li>The importance of educating ourselves about the adoptee experience</li>
<li>Each adoption experience is unique – there is a range of adjustment, mental health concerns, connection with adoptive family</li>
<li>Looking at the identity and how does one define oneself when they don’t fit here or in the country where one was born.</li>
<li>Identity formation when one is an intercountry, transracial adoptee</li>
<li>Internalized racism, lack of connection to native country, lack of acknowledgment of native culture</li>
<li>Places to get support with other adoptees facing similar struggles</li>
<li>Suggestions for working with parents of adoptees</li>
<li>The history of the adoption industry and why it is problematic</li>
<li>Ideas for advocacy related to adoption</li>
<li>The recommendation for adoptive parents to do their own therapeutic work</li>
<li>#InvisibleElephant</li>
<li>The complexity of racism as an intercountry transracial adoptee</li>
<li>The importance of solidarity with BLM</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Niche Burnout</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/niche-burnout</link>
      <description>Niche Burnout
An interview with Laura Long of YourBadAssTherapyPractice.com about creating a niche and identifying your ideal client. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about common myths as well as what happens when you burnout on your niche and how your niche can evolve. Laura also offers practical insight into what you can do to market your new niche.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Laura Long, LMFT/S
Laura Long, LMFT/S, is a business coach and the lead badass at YourBadAssTherapyPractice.com, where she helps ambitious, driven, Type-A therapists push through their fears and unleash their inner badass. 
Laura offers free practice-building tools (and hilariously obscene emails) through her mailing list, and her flagship e-course has successfully graduated over 300 therapists. She also runs small mastermind groups as well as a private online community reserved for her students.
Laura is best known for her off-the-cuff coaching style that includes colorful language, a witty sense of humor, and an uncanny ability to keep it real. Her unique approach to marketing and customer service challenges the status quo and helps therapists to become better business owners. She shows therapists how to grow and scale their practices without losing their minds - because building your private practice should be fun!
You can read Laura’s blog at www.YourBadAssTherapyPractice.com and follow her antics at www.Facebook.com/YourBadAssTherapyPractice.
In this episode we talk about:

The mistakes therapists make in niche – myths and fears around narrowing down a niche

The fear of excluding people when you narrow your niche

The difference between a niche and an ideal client

Ideal client is about the way a person shows up on the planet, who they are inside

Niche – is a focus on the external, like presenting problems

The reasons why you should exclude people

Scarcity fears – that there are not enough clients or that there are too many therapists

Impostor Myth – the deeply held belief that we don’t know what we’re doing

Being a generalist out of fear when you’d rather be a specialist

Confinement Myth – I can only serve these type of folks for the rest of my career

How niches can evolve

Niche burnout – signs you’re burning out on your niche

The importance of self-awareness and self-assessment

What forgetfulness has to do with empathy

The difference between niche burnout and career burnout

How to change your niche, especially when you have the same ideal client

The shifts to make and the story to tell to make sense to your referral sources and ideal clients</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Niche Burnout: An Interview with Laura Long</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Laura Long</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Niche Burnout
An interview with Laura Long of YourBadAssTherapyPractice.com about creating a niche and identifying your ideal client. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about common myths as well as what happens when you burnout on your niche and how your niche can evolve. Laura also offers practical insight into what you can do to market your new niche.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Laura Long, LMFT/S
Laura Long, LMFT/S, is a business coach and the lead badass at YourBadAssTherapyPractice.com, where she helps ambitious, driven, Type-A therapists push through their fears and unleash their inner badass. 
Laura offers free practice-building tools (and hilariously obscene emails) through her mailing list, and her flagship e-course has successfully graduated over 300 therapists. She also runs small mastermind groups as well as a private online community reserved for her students.
Laura is best known for her off-the-cuff coaching style that includes colorful language, a witty sense of humor, and an uncanny ability to keep it real. Her unique approach to marketing and customer service challenges the status quo and helps therapists to become better business owners. She shows therapists how to grow and scale their practices without losing their minds - because building your private practice should be fun!
You can read Laura’s blog at www.YourBadAssTherapyPractice.com and follow her antics at www.Facebook.com/YourBadAssTherapyPractice.
In this episode we talk about:

The mistakes therapists make in niche – myths and fears around narrowing down a niche

The fear of excluding people when you narrow your niche

The difference between a niche and an ideal client

Ideal client is about the way a person shows up on the planet, who they are inside

Niche – is a focus on the external, like presenting problems

The reasons why you should exclude people

Scarcity fears – that there are not enough clients or that there are too many therapists

Impostor Myth – the deeply held belief that we don’t know what we’re doing

Being a generalist out of fear when you’d rather be a specialist

Confinement Myth – I can only serve these type of folks for the rest of my career

How niches can evolve

Niche burnout – signs you’re burning out on your niche

The importance of self-awareness and self-assessment

What forgetfulness has to do with empathy

The difference between niche burnout and career burnout

How to change your niche, especially when you have the same ideal client

The shifts to make and the story to tell to make sense to your referral sources and ideal clients</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Niche Burnout</p><p>An interview with Laura Long of YourBadAssTherapyPractice.com about creating a niche and identifying your ideal client. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about common myths as well as what happens when you burnout on your niche and how your niche can evolve. Laura also offers practical insight into what you can do to market your new niche.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Laura Long, LMFT/S</p><p>Laura Long, LMFT/S, is a business coach and the lead badass at YourBadAssTherapyPractice.com, where she helps ambitious, driven, Type-A therapists push through their fears and unleash their inner badass. </p><p>Laura offers free practice-building tools (and hilariously obscene emails) through her mailing list, and her flagship e-course has successfully graduated over 300 therapists. She also runs small mastermind groups as well as a private online community reserved for her students.</p><p>Laura is best known for her off-the-cuff coaching style that includes colorful language, a witty sense of humor, and an uncanny ability to keep it real. Her unique approach to marketing and customer service challenges the status quo and helps therapists to become better business owners. She shows therapists how to grow and scale their practices without losing their minds - because building your private practice should be fun!</p><p>You can read Laura’s blog at <a href="http://www.yourbadasstherapypractice.com/">www.YourBadAssTherapyPractice.com</a> and follow her antics at <a href="http://www.facebook.com/YourBadAssTherapyPractice">www.Facebook.com/YourBadAssTherapyPractice</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The mistakes therapists make in niche – myths and fears around narrowing down a niche</li>
<li>The fear of excluding people when you narrow your niche</li>
<li>The difference between a niche and an ideal client</li>
<li>Ideal client is about the way a person shows up on the planet, who they are inside</li>
<li>Niche – is a focus on the external, like presenting problems</li>
<li>The reasons why you should exclude people</li>
<li>Scarcity fears – that there are not enough clients or that there are too many therapists</li>
<li>Impostor Myth – the deeply held belief that we don’t know what we’re doing</li>
<li>Being a generalist out of fear when you’d rather be a specialist</li>
<li>Confinement Myth – I can only serve these type of folks for the rest of my career</li>
<li>How niches can evolve</li>
<li>Niche burnout – signs you’re burning out on your niche</li>
<li>The importance of self-awareness and self-assessment</li>
<li>What forgetfulness has to do with empathy</li>
<li>The difference between niche burnout and career burnout</li>
<li>How to change your niche, especially when you have the same ideal client</li>
<li>The shifts to make and the story to tell to make sense to your referral sources and ideal clients</li>
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      <title>Showing Up for Your Clients</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/showing-up-for-your-clients</link>
      <description>Showing Up for Your Clients
Curt and Katie chat about the importance of therapists in the therapeutic process. We look at how the medical model, upon which the continuing education and ethical guidelines are built, is flawed leading to solely client-facing training and rules. We talk about the importance of optimizing your practices as well as the negative clinical outcomes when you aren’t taking care of yourself.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The case for self-care as continuing education

The problem with looking at consumer protection bodies rather than the research

The goals of helping people and the problem with sacrificing ourselves in those efforts

How we protect consumers by taking care of ourselves

The importance of being strong clinicians, optimizing our performance

The problem with the medical model and framing ourselves as inconsequential to therapeutic outcomes

When we aim models or regulations around the minimally acceptable competence or performance

The benefit of seeing therapy as art versus as a science

How non-specific effects (therapist effects, client effects and effects of the therapeutic relationship) are more important than the specific treatment modality or adherence

Common factors and the Contextual Model

The requirement for a Bond for successful treatment

Pathways to change according to the Contextual Model: Real Relationship, Expectations, Specific Ingredients

How we practice at being better humans

Why we need to have more in our lives than being therapists

Showing up in resourced ways

Elements of burnout as specific predictors for clients having worse outcomes, dropping out, or not engaging actively in treatment

The importance of optimal performance in creating a therapeutic alliance

How we aren’t trained on optimal performance, focus, setting up our environment

The need to refocus our graduate programs to support the education that is needed to be a good therapist

How self-awareness can impact clinical work

The lack of humanity in the medical model and research based on it

Who we are makes a difference

The need to understand how to take care of ourselves and structure our practice</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Showing Up for Our Clients</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how therapists impact clinical outcomes</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Showing Up for Your Clients
Curt and Katie chat about the importance of therapists in the therapeutic process. We look at how the medical model, upon which the continuing education and ethical guidelines are built, is flawed leading to solely client-facing training and rules. We talk about the importance of optimizing your practices as well as the negative clinical outcomes when you aren’t taking care of yourself.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The case for self-care as continuing education

The problem with looking at consumer protection bodies rather than the research

The goals of helping people and the problem with sacrificing ourselves in those efforts

How we protect consumers by taking care of ourselves

The importance of being strong clinicians, optimizing our performance

The problem with the medical model and framing ourselves as inconsequential to therapeutic outcomes

When we aim models or regulations around the minimally acceptable competence or performance

The benefit of seeing therapy as art versus as a science

How non-specific effects (therapist effects, client effects and effects of the therapeutic relationship) are more important than the specific treatment modality or adherence

Common factors and the Contextual Model

The requirement for a Bond for successful treatment

Pathways to change according to the Contextual Model: Real Relationship, Expectations, Specific Ingredients

How we practice at being better humans

Why we need to have more in our lives than being therapists

Showing up in resourced ways

Elements of burnout as specific predictors for clients having worse outcomes, dropping out, or not engaging actively in treatment

The importance of optimal performance in creating a therapeutic alliance

How we aren’t trained on optimal performance, focus, setting up our environment

The need to refocus our graduate programs to support the education that is needed to be a good therapist

How self-awareness can impact clinical work

The lack of humanity in the medical model and research based on it

Who we are makes a difference

The need to understand how to take care of ourselves and structure our practice</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Showing Up for Your Clients</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the importance of therapists in the therapeutic process. We look at how the medical model, upon which the continuing education and ethical guidelines are built, is flawed leading to solely client-facing training and rules. We talk about the importance of optimizing your practices as well as the negative clinical outcomes when you aren’t taking care of yourself.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The case for self-care as continuing education</li>
<li>The problem with looking at consumer protection bodies rather than the research</li>
<li>The goals of helping people and the problem with sacrificing ourselves in those efforts</li>
<li>How we protect consumers by taking care of ourselves</li>
<li>The importance of being strong clinicians, optimizing our performance</li>
<li>The problem with the medical model and framing ourselves as inconsequential to therapeutic outcomes</li>
<li>When we aim models or regulations around the minimally acceptable competence or performance</li>
<li>The benefit of seeing therapy as art versus as a science</li>
<li>How non-specific effects (therapist effects, client effects and effects of the therapeutic relationship) are more important than the specific treatment modality or adherence</li>
<li>Common factors and the Contextual Model</li>
<li>The requirement for a Bond for successful treatment</li>
<li>Pathways to change according to the Contextual Model: Real Relationship, Expectations, Specific Ingredients</li>
<li>How we practice at being better humans</li>
<li>Why we need to have more in our lives than being therapists</li>
<li>Showing up in resourced ways</li>
<li>Elements of burnout as specific predictors for clients having worse outcomes, dropping out, or not engaging actively in treatment</li>
<li>The importance of optimal performance in creating a therapeutic alliance</li>
<li>How we aren’t trained on optimal performance, focus, setting up our environment</li>
<li>The need to refocus our graduate programs to support the education that is needed to be a good therapist</li>
<li>How self-awareness can impact clinical work</li>
<li>The lack of humanity in the medical model and research based on it</li>
<li>Who we are makes a difference</li>
<li>The need to understand how to take care of ourselves and structure our practice</li>
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      <title>Irrational Ethics</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/irrational-ethics</link>
      <description>Irrational Ethics
Curt and Katie chat about how current ethical standards fail to recognize culture and humanity. We talk about how the ethics codes were initially created, looking at the racist, sexist, classist roots. We also discuss the problems in how ethics are usually taught and the lack of focus on ethical thinking and decision-making, rather than rigidly following rules based in oppression.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The gaps in the ethics codes, looking at the historical roots of the current codes

How ethics codes were initially created – racist, sexist, classist roots

The systemic implications related to continuing to refine the codes, rather than re-norming or recreating starting with the current people in the profession

Thoughts around fixing the codes to be more representative and inclusive

The challenges that ethics committees face in considering a new ethics code

The aspirational aspects of the “shared values”

The problems with how we teach ethics in grad school

“We were taught ethics as laws.”

The need to think ethically, not blindly follow rules out of context

The problem with rigidly holding to imperfect ethical codes

Authoritarian practices of holding each other to ethics codes

“We’re perpetuating oppression and disguising it as morality” – Curt Widhalm

Principle ethics – bare-minimum guidelines to protect against the lowest common denominator

Aspirational ethics – and why we should move in this direction

The willing ignorance of other cultures within the ethical codes

Our requirement to hold to white Eurocentric ideals

What we can do to improve the codes

Looking at ourselves as individuals and having guidance on how we can be better

The failure of the codes to consider how therapists show up in the room

The importance of having best practices for optimizing performance for therapists

The problem with not clearly distinguishing between principle versus aspirational codes

Posing the question on what an ethics code would look like when it isn’t tied to a professional association</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Irrational Ethics</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how ethical standards fail to recognize culture and humanity</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Irrational Ethics
Curt and Katie chat about how current ethical standards fail to recognize culture and humanity. We talk about how the ethics codes were initially created, looking at the racist, sexist, classist roots. We also discuss the problems in how ethics are usually taught and the lack of focus on ethical thinking and decision-making, rather than rigidly following rules based in oppression.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The gaps in the ethics codes, looking at the historical roots of the current codes

How ethics codes were initially created – racist, sexist, classist roots

The systemic implications related to continuing to refine the codes, rather than re-norming or recreating starting with the current people in the profession

Thoughts around fixing the codes to be more representative and inclusive

The challenges that ethics committees face in considering a new ethics code

The aspirational aspects of the “shared values”

The problems with how we teach ethics in grad school

“We were taught ethics as laws.”

The need to think ethically, not blindly follow rules out of context

The problem with rigidly holding to imperfect ethical codes

Authoritarian practices of holding each other to ethics codes

“We’re perpetuating oppression and disguising it as morality” – Curt Widhalm

Principle ethics – bare-minimum guidelines to protect against the lowest common denominator

Aspirational ethics – and why we should move in this direction

The willing ignorance of other cultures within the ethical codes

Our requirement to hold to white Eurocentric ideals

What we can do to improve the codes

Looking at ourselves as individuals and having guidance on how we can be better

The failure of the codes to consider how therapists show up in the room

The importance of having best practices for optimizing performance for therapists

The problem with not clearly distinguishing between principle versus aspirational codes

Posing the question on what an ethics code would look like when it isn’t tied to a professional association</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Irrational Ethics</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how current ethical standards fail to recognize culture and humanity. We talk about how the ethics codes were initially created, looking at the racist, sexist, classist roots. We also discuss the problems in how ethics are usually taught and the lack of focus on ethical thinking and decision-making, rather than rigidly following rules based in oppression.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The gaps in the ethics codes, looking at the historical roots of the current codes</li>
<li>How ethics codes were initially created – racist, sexist, classist roots</li>
<li>The systemic implications related to continuing to refine the codes, rather than re-norming or recreating starting with the current people in the profession</li>
<li>Thoughts around fixing the codes to be more representative and inclusive</li>
<li>The challenges that ethics committees face in considering a new ethics code</li>
<li>The aspirational aspects of the “shared values”</li>
<li>The problems with how we teach ethics in grad school</li>
<li>“We were taught ethics as laws.”</li>
<li>The need to think ethically, not blindly follow rules out of context</li>
<li>The problem with rigidly holding to imperfect ethical codes</li>
<li>Authoritarian practices of holding each other to ethics codes</li>
<li>“We’re perpetuating oppression and disguising it as morality” – Curt Widhalm</li>
<li>Principle ethics – bare-minimum guidelines to protect against the lowest common denominator</li>
<li>Aspirational ethics – and why we should move in this direction</li>
<li>The willing ignorance of other cultures within the ethical codes</li>
<li>Our requirement to hold to white Eurocentric ideals</li>
<li>What we can do to improve the codes</li>
<li>Looking at ourselves as individuals and having guidance on how we can be better</li>
<li>The failure of the codes to consider how therapists show up in the room</li>
<li>The importance of having best practices for optimizing performance for therapists</li>
<li>The problem with not clearly distinguishing between principle versus aspirational codes</li>
<li>Posing the question on what an ethics code would look like when it isn’t tied to a professional association</li>
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      <title>Therapy with an Accent</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapy-with-an-accent</link>
      <description>Therapy with an Accent
An interview with Namrata Rindani, LMFT on her experiences as an immigrant from India getting re-trained as a therapist in the United States. Curt and Katie talk with Nam about the systemic problems in the American graduate education system, her insight into how education can improve, and how she navigates having an accent with other professionals and potential clients.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Namrata Rindani, LMFT
Nam Rindani is a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in working with men and therapists in California through her teletherapy practice as well as owner and Relationship Coach at Ebonessence Coaching and Consulting for Men. Her 17-year clinical experience spans two continents and multiple languages as she practiced therapy in India serving the marginalized before moving to the United States. Nam served as Prelicensed Chair of San Diego CAMFT in 2015 and is also founder and comoderator of large online community, Therapists In Private Practice, where she found her passion for engaging and moderating difficult yet necessary conversations about topics of systemic injustice, marginalization and oppression within and outside the therapy field. Nam believes that by opening up conversations where the marginalized are heard and the unassuming oppressive groups are informed, we can begin to build bridges and close gaps that have plagued communities for generations. 
In this episode we talk about:

Nam’s journey to becoming a therapist in the US after practicing in India

The training differences between India and the US

The gatekeeping and barriers to practicing when moving to the US

The differences she found between herself and her colleagues in her program

Balancing how much to speak up with how to avoid dimming her own light

The view of expert status and humanity within the therapy relationship

The fear in the American system related to the person of the therapist and the relationship

Nam’s experience as a graduate student in the American system and the pressure to be the “good immigrant”

How to navigate the system as an international student

The problems of an oppressive system keeping students from achieving their goals as therapists

“We need you to edit who you are and then we will accept what it is that you have to say.” – Nam Rindani

The challenges of not having support to walk through requirements of the US system

“When it comes to places and space where our immigrant identity is going to be a problem – the way you respond to that is where the change needs to occur.”

How to address an accent or a foreign background – taking a leadership role in the difference you come into the room with

“For those of us who have accents and we come from other countries, YOU are the ones who have an accent.”

Why it is safer to call out difference in the beginning of a conversation

“When does my supervision begin and I stop being a museum specimen?”

Immigrant trauma within the profession

Looking at the framework of each person’s view of relationships within the training (both in how it is trained and who is performing treatment)

How people define normal is very culturally bound and the need to check in with each person’s perspective

A grassroots approach to systemic change

How she has shaped her practice to align with her identity and to support the work while also avoiding working with people who are unsafe for her as a therapist</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapy with an Accent: An interview with Nam Rindani</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Nam Rindani</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Therapy with an Accent
An interview with Namrata Rindani, LMFT on her experiences as an immigrant from India getting re-trained as a therapist in the United States. Curt and Katie talk with Nam about the systemic problems in the American graduate education system, her insight into how education can improve, and how she navigates having an accent with other professionals and potential clients.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Namrata Rindani, LMFT
Nam Rindani is a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in working with men and therapists in California through her teletherapy practice as well as owner and Relationship Coach at Ebonessence Coaching and Consulting for Men. Her 17-year clinical experience spans two continents and multiple languages as she practiced therapy in India serving the marginalized before moving to the United States. Nam served as Prelicensed Chair of San Diego CAMFT in 2015 and is also founder and comoderator of large online community, Therapists In Private Practice, where she found her passion for engaging and moderating difficult yet necessary conversations about topics of systemic injustice, marginalization and oppression within and outside the therapy field. Nam believes that by opening up conversations where the marginalized are heard and the unassuming oppressive groups are informed, we can begin to build bridges and close gaps that have plagued communities for generations. 
In this episode we talk about:

Nam’s journey to becoming a therapist in the US after practicing in India

The training differences between India and the US

The gatekeeping and barriers to practicing when moving to the US

The differences she found between herself and her colleagues in her program

Balancing how much to speak up with how to avoid dimming her own light

The view of expert status and humanity within the therapy relationship

The fear in the American system related to the person of the therapist and the relationship

Nam’s experience as a graduate student in the American system and the pressure to be the “good immigrant”

How to navigate the system as an international student

The problems of an oppressive system keeping students from achieving their goals as therapists

“We need you to edit who you are and then we will accept what it is that you have to say.” – Nam Rindani

The challenges of not having support to walk through requirements of the US system

“When it comes to places and space where our immigrant identity is going to be a problem – the way you respond to that is where the change needs to occur.”

How to address an accent or a foreign background – taking a leadership role in the difference you come into the room with

“For those of us who have accents and we come from other countries, YOU are the ones who have an accent.”

Why it is safer to call out difference in the beginning of a conversation

“When does my supervision begin and I stop being a museum specimen?”

Immigrant trauma within the profession

Looking at the framework of each person’s view of relationships within the training (both in how it is trained and who is performing treatment)

How people define normal is very culturally bound and the need to check in with each person’s perspective

A grassroots approach to systemic change

How she has shaped her practice to align with her identity and to support the work while also avoiding working with people who are unsafe for her as a therapist</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Therapy with an Accent</p><p>An interview with Namrata Rindani, LMFT on her experiences as an immigrant from India getting re-trained as a therapist in the United States. Curt and Katie talk with Nam about the systemic problems in the American graduate education system, her insight into how education can improve, and how she navigates having an accent with other professionals and potential clients.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Namrata Rindani, LMFT</p><p>Nam Rindani is a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in working with men and therapists in California through her teletherapy practice as well as owner and Relationship Coach at Ebonessence Coaching and Consulting for Men. Her 17-year clinical experience spans two continents and multiple languages as she practiced therapy in India serving the marginalized before moving to the United States. Nam served as Prelicensed Chair of San Diego CAMFT in 2015 and is also founder and comoderator of large online community, Therapists In Private Practice, where she found her passion for engaging and moderating difficult yet necessary conversations about topics of systemic injustice, marginalization and oppression within and outside the therapy field. Nam believes that by opening up conversations where the marginalized are heard and the unassuming oppressive groups are informed, we can begin to build bridges and close gaps that have plagued communities for generations. </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Nam’s journey to becoming a therapist in the US after practicing in India</li>
<li>The training differences between India and the US</li>
<li>The gatekeeping and barriers to practicing when moving to the US</li>
<li>The differences she found between herself and her colleagues in her program</li>
<li>Balancing how much to speak up with how to avoid dimming her own light</li>
<li>The view of expert status and humanity within the therapy relationship</li>
<li>The fear in the American system related to the person of the therapist and the relationship</li>
<li>Nam’s experience as a graduate student in the American system and the pressure to be the “good immigrant”</li>
<li>How to navigate the system as an international student</li>
<li>The problems of an oppressive system keeping students from achieving their goals as therapists</li>
<li>“We need you to edit who you are and then we will accept what it is that you have to say.” – Nam Rindani</li>
<li>The challenges of not having support to walk through requirements of the US system</li>
<li>“When it comes to places and space where our immigrant identity is going to be a problem – the way you respond to that is where the change needs to occur.”</li>
<li>How to address an accent or a foreign background – taking a leadership role in the difference you come into the room with</li>
<li>“For those of us who have accents and we come from other countries, YOU are the ones who have an accent.”</li>
<li>Why it is safer to call out difference in the beginning of a conversation</li>
<li>“When does my supervision begin and I stop being a museum specimen?”</li>
<li>Immigrant trauma within the profession</li>
<li>Looking at the framework of each person’s view of relationships within the training (both in how it is trained and who is performing treatment)</li>
<li>How people define normal is very culturally bound and the need to check in with each person’s perspective</li>
<li>A grassroots approach to systemic change</li>
<li>How she has shaped her practice to align with her identity and to support the work while also avoiding working with people who are unsafe for her as a therapist</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Rage and Client Self-Harm</title>
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      <description>Rage and Client Self-Harm
An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT on cutting and non-suicidal self-injury. Curt and Katie talk with Angela about the causes of self-harm, the mistakes therapists make in addressing self-harm as well as how to identify reasons behind this harmful coping mechanism and how to identify when suicidality is a risk. We also look at how rage within nice families can lead to self-injury.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT
Angela Caldwell is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Family Coach. She is the Founder and Director of the Self-Injury Institute, where her practice focuses on the treatment of self-injury from a family systems perspective, as well as the Caldwell Family Institute, where she offers out-of-the-box coaching for families that are looking for something other than therapy to help them reach their growth potential.
Angela is currently on the adjunct faculty for the MFT graduate program at California State University Northridge, where she teaches family systems theories and couples therapy. She has been teaching graduate students for over a decade at four different universities, and previously taught assessment for a large majority of her teaching career. She was selected by Antioch University to design a curriculum for a new Counselor Assessment class, and has offered consultation on assessments for the last eight years.
Angela has served in MFT leadership for much of her career, including holding executive offices in CAMFT and AAMFT. She has worked side by side with Ben Caldwell and other leaders on various advocacy efforts in California, most notably on the passage of SB 1172, which banned reparative therapy for minors in 2012.
In this episode we talk about:

Angela’s perspective on family systems and champions of families and dinner tables

The mistakes in treatment planning and way of being related to self-injury

What not to do when clients disclose self-harm

The intrusive nature of liability-focused treatment planning and interventions in the room

The need to render cutting irrelevant

The role of the family treatment for addressing self-injury

Non-suicidal self-injury versus suicidal self-injury (the difference is intent)

“It’s important for therapists to be able to talk about suicide – to use the word suicide with the same emphasis that we use the word hamburger.” Angela Caldwell, LMFT

It’s important to be direct in asking about intent

“I’m cautious to link self-injury with suicide in such a short, abrupt way.” Angela Caldwell, LMFT

Rage in families who are too nice leading to self-injury

The profiles in non-suicidal self-injury: peer-based and rage-based

Social media self-injury and mental illness competitions

How rage is often misunderstood – looking at how rage and anger are very different

Rage is animalistic and limbic

Self-injury is rage (when anger is not useful) when you do not want to be a burden

Rage comes with tactile stimulus seeking, seeking destruction

Discovery is mortifying

The problem with group treatment for cutting

The contagion factor – Barent Walsh

Co-rumination – looking at adolescent female relationships

Family Therapy as the most effective treatment for non-

Rewrite the family constitution around anger and anger expression

Family assertiveness training, teaching families how to disagree and hurt each other’s feelings

Angela’s strategy to provoke fights within the families that she sees and conducts repair</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Rage and Client Self-Harm: An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Rage and Client Self-Harm
An interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT on cutting and non-suicidal self-injury. Curt and Katie talk with Angela about the causes of self-harm, the mistakes therapists make in addressing self-harm as well as how to identify reasons behind this harmful coping mechanism and how to identify when suicidality is a risk. We also look at how rage within nice families can lead to self-injury.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Angela Caldwell, LMFT
Angela Caldwell is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Family Coach. She is the Founder and Director of the Self-Injury Institute, where her practice focuses on the treatment of self-injury from a family systems perspective, as well as the Caldwell Family Institute, where she offers out-of-the-box coaching for families that are looking for something other than therapy to help them reach their growth potential.
Angela is currently on the adjunct faculty for the MFT graduate program at California State University Northridge, where she teaches family systems theories and couples therapy. She has been teaching graduate students for over a decade at four different universities, and previously taught assessment for a large majority of her teaching career. She was selected by Antioch University to design a curriculum for a new Counselor Assessment class, and has offered consultation on assessments for the last eight years.
Angela has served in MFT leadership for much of her career, including holding executive offices in CAMFT and AAMFT. She has worked side by side with Ben Caldwell and other leaders on various advocacy efforts in California, most notably on the passage of SB 1172, which banned reparative therapy for minors in 2012.
In this episode we talk about:

Angela’s perspective on family systems and champions of families and dinner tables

The mistakes in treatment planning and way of being related to self-injury

What not to do when clients disclose self-harm

The intrusive nature of liability-focused treatment planning and interventions in the room

The need to render cutting irrelevant

The role of the family treatment for addressing self-injury

Non-suicidal self-injury versus suicidal self-injury (the difference is intent)

“It’s important for therapists to be able to talk about suicide – to use the word suicide with the same emphasis that we use the word hamburger.” Angela Caldwell, LMFT

It’s important to be direct in asking about intent

“I’m cautious to link self-injury with suicide in such a short, abrupt way.” Angela Caldwell, LMFT

Rage in families who are too nice leading to self-injury

The profiles in non-suicidal self-injury: peer-based and rage-based

Social media self-injury and mental illness competitions

How rage is often misunderstood – looking at how rage and anger are very different

Rage is animalistic and limbic

Self-injury is rage (when anger is not useful) when you do not want to be a burden

Rage comes with tactile stimulus seeking, seeking destruction

Discovery is mortifying

The problem with group treatment for cutting

The contagion factor – Barent Walsh

Co-rumination – looking at adolescent female relationships

Family Therapy as the most effective treatment for non-

Rewrite the family constitution around anger and anger expression

Family assertiveness training, teaching families how to disagree and hurt each other’s feelings

Angela’s strategy to provoke fights within the families that she sees and conducts repair</itunes:summary>
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<li>Angela’s perspective on family systems and champions of families and dinner tables</li>
<li>The mistakes in treatment planning and way of being related to self-injury</li>
<li>What not to do when clients disclose self-harm</li>
<li>The intrusive nature of liability-focused treatment planning and interventions in the room</li>
<li>The need to render cutting irrelevant</li>
<li>The role of the family treatment for addressing self-injury</li>
<li>Non-suicidal self-injury versus suicidal self-injury (the difference is intent)</li>
<li>“It’s important for therapists to be able to talk about suicide – to use the word suicide with the same emphasis that we use the word hamburger.” Angela Caldwell, LMFT</li>
<li>It’s important to be direct in asking about intent</li>
<li>“I’m cautious to link self-injury with suicide in such a short, abrupt way.” Angela Caldwell, LMFT</li>
<li>Rage in families who are too nice leading to self-injury</li>
<li>The profiles in non-suicidal self-injury: peer-based and rage-based</li>
<li>Social media self-injury and mental illness competitions</li>
<li>How rage is often misunderstood – looking at how rage and anger are very different</li>
<li>Rage is animalistic and limbic</li>
<li>Self-injury is rage (when anger is not useful) when you do not want to be a burden</li>
<li>Rage comes with tactile stimulus seeking, seeking destruction</li>
<li>Discovery is mortifying</li>
<li>The problem with group treatment for cutting</li>
<li>The contagion factor – Barent Walsh</li>
<li>Co-rumination – looking at adolescent female relationships</li>
<li>Family Therapy as the most effective treatment for non-</li>
<li>Rewrite the family constitution around anger and anger expression</li>
<li>Family assertiveness training, teaching families how to disagree and hurt each other’s feelings</li>
<li>Angela’s strategy to provoke fights within the families that she sees and conducts repair</li>
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      <title>Cultural Humility and White Fatigue</title>
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      <description>Cultural Humility and White Fatigue
An interview with Dr. Sonya Lott about a multicultural orientation to therapy and the work to understand yourself, how you’re perceived, and who the client is in front of you. Curt and Katie talk with Sonya about cultural humility in particular as well as the fatigue (including the concept of “white fatigue”) that can come with this work. We look at self-compassion and education as promising steps for improvement. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Sonya Lott, Ph.D.
Sonya Lott earned her Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from Temple University and has been licensed as a psychologist in Pennsylvania since 1991. She is also a registered in Florida as out-of-state telehealth provider.
She is the founder and CEO of CEMPSYCH, LLC (Continuing Education in Multicultural Psychology), which offers continuing education that supports mental health professionals in cultivating a multicultural orientation, and is approved by the American Psychological Association (APA) to sponsor continuing education for psychologists. She also serves on the Advisory Board of Whites Confronting Racism, an organization in Philadelphia that works with White people who desire to challenge the racism within and around them and who are searching for a way to strengthen their work for racial justice.
In addition to this work, she maintains a private practice devoted to helping individuals transform their experience of acute and prolonged grief. She is an associate of the Center for Complicated Grief at Columbia University's School of Social Work, where she completed advanced training in Complicated Grief Therapy (CGT).
You can learn more about her work at cempsych.com and drsonyalott.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Multicultural approach – looking at all elements of cultural identity

Dominance, privilege, and bias

The importance of seeing beyond their lived

The multicultural orientation is a way of being

Cultural Humility – organizing virtue

Recognizing cultural opportunities

Invitation for discussion

Microaggressions in the therapy room

Comfort in making repairs

Being aware of who you are and where you sit with marginalization and with privilege

“Every experience is a multicultural experience” – Dr. Sonya Lott

Know who you are to yourself and to others – it is important to understand how you are perceived by others

The difference between white fragility and white fatigue

With privilege you have an opt-out card

The work of healing marginalization is a felt process

“It’s more than ‘what’s a good book to read?’” – Dr. Sonya Lott

Self-compassion and self-care needed for doing this work

Seeing ourselves as human and recognizing that we don’t have all of the answers

Recognizing what is relevant in the room

Self-Compassion: shared humanity, mindfulness, and loving kindness

“It’s not just for your clients, it’s not just to make a living, it’s to transform your way of being – period – that benefits you and everybody you’re in relationship with.”

Why the therapy profession doesn’t get this right – because they don’t have to.

The fifty years of literature on this topic that is often ignored due to people not being informed, not comfortable, and not having done their own work</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Cultural Humility and White Fatigue: An interview with Dr. Sonya Lott</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Sonya Lott</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Cultural Humility and White Fatigue
An interview with Dr. Sonya Lott about a multicultural orientation to therapy and the work to understand yourself, how you’re perceived, and who the client is in front of you. Curt and Katie talk with Sonya about cultural humility in particular as well as the fatigue (including the concept of “white fatigue”) that can come with this work. We look at self-compassion and education as promising steps for improvement. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Sonya Lott, Ph.D.
Sonya Lott earned her Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from Temple University and has been licensed as a psychologist in Pennsylvania since 1991. She is also a registered in Florida as out-of-state telehealth provider.
She is the founder and CEO of CEMPSYCH, LLC (Continuing Education in Multicultural Psychology), which offers continuing education that supports mental health professionals in cultivating a multicultural orientation, and is approved by the American Psychological Association (APA) to sponsor continuing education for psychologists. She also serves on the Advisory Board of Whites Confronting Racism, an organization in Philadelphia that works with White people who desire to challenge the racism within and around them and who are searching for a way to strengthen their work for racial justice.
In addition to this work, she maintains a private practice devoted to helping individuals transform their experience of acute and prolonged grief. She is an associate of the Center for Complicated Grief at Columbia University's School of Social Work, where she completed advanced training in Complicated Grief Therapy (CGT).
You can learn more about her work at cempsych.com and drsonyalott.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Multicultural approach – looking at all elements of cultural identity

Dominance, privilege, and bias

The importance of seeing beyond their lived

The multicultural orientation is a way of being

Cultural Humility – organizing virtue

Recognizing cultural opportunities

Invitation for discussion

Microaggressions in the therapy room

Comfort in making repairs

Being aware of who you are and where you sit with marginalization and with privilege

“Every experience is a multicultural experience” – Dr. Sonya Lott

Know who you are to yourself and to others – it is important to understand how you are perceived by others

The difference between white fragility and white fatigue

With privilege you have an opt-out card

The work of healing marginalization is a felt process

“It’s more than ‘what’s a good book to read?’” – Dr. Sonya Lott

Self-compassion and self-care needed for doing this work

Seeing ourselves as human and recognizing that we don’t have all of the answers

Recognizing what is relevant in the room

Self-Compassion: shared humanity, mindfulness, and loving kindness

“It’s not just for your clients, it’s not just to make a living, it’s to transform your way of being – period – that benefits you and everybody you’re in relationship with.”

Why the therapy profession doesn’t get this right – because they don’t have to.

The fifty years of literature on this topic that is often ignored due to people not being informed, not comfortable, and not having done their own work</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Cultural Humility and White Fatigue</p><p>An interview with Dr. Sonya Lott about a multicultural orientation to therapy and the work to understand yourself, how you’re perceived, and who the client is in front of you. Curt and Katie talk with Sonya about cultural humility in particular as well as the fatigue (including the concept of “white fatigue”) that can come with this work. We look at self-compassion and education as promising steps for improvement. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Sonya Lott, Ph.D.</p><p>Sonya Lott earned her Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from Temple University and has been licensed as a psychologist in Pennsylvania since 1991. She is also a registered in Florida as out-of-state telehealth provider.</p><p>She is the founder and CEO of CEMPSYCH, LLC (Continuing Education in Multicultural Psychology), which offers continuing education that supports mental health professionals in cultivating a multicultural orientation, and is approved by the American Psychological Association (APA) to sponsor continuing education for psychologists. She also serves on the Advisory Board of Whites Confronting Racism, an organization in Philadelphia that works with White people who desire to challenge the racism within and around them and who are searching for a way to strengthen their work for racial justice.</p><p>In addition to this work, she maintains a private practice devoted to helping individuals transform their experience of acute and prolonged grief. She is an associate of the Center for Complicated Grief at Columbia University's School of Social Work, where she completed advanced training in Complicated Grief Therapy (CGT).</p><p>You can learn more about her work at <a href="https://cempsych.com/">cempsych.com</a> and <a href="https://drsonyalott.com/">drsonyalott.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Multicultural approach – looking at all elements of cultural identity</li>
<li>Dominance, privilege, and bias</li>
<li>The importance of seeing beyond their lived</li>
<li>The multicultural orientation is a way of being</li>
<li>Cultural Humility – organizing virtue</li>
<li>Recognizing cultural opportunities</li>
<li>Invitation for discussion</li>
<li>Microaggressions in the therapy room</li>
<li>Comfort in making repairs</li>
<li>Being aware of who you are and where you sit with marginalization and with privilege</li>
<li>“Every experience is a multicultural experience” – Dr. Sonya Lott</li>
<li>Know who you are to yourself and to others – it is important to understand how you are perceived by others</li>
<li>The difference between white fragility and white fatigue</li>
<li>With privilege you have an opt-out card</li>
<li>The work of healing marginalization is a felt process</li>
<li>“It’s more than ‘what’s a good book to read?’” – Dr. Sonya Lott</li>
<li>Self-compassion and self-care needed for doing this work</li>
<li>Seeing ourselves as human and recognizing that we don’t have all of the answers</li>
<li>Recognizing what is relevant in the room</li>
<li>Self-Compassion: shared humanity, mindfulness, and loving kindness</li>
<li>“It’s not just for your clients, it’s not just to make a living, it’s to transform your way of being – period – that benefits you and everybody you’re in relationship with.”</li>
<li>Why the therapy profession doesn’t get this right – because they don’t have to.</li>
<li>The fifty years of literature on this topic that is often ignored due to people not being informed, not comfortable, and not having done their own work</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Wear a Mask as a Therapy Directive</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/wear-a-mask-as-a-therapy-directive</link>
      <description>“Wear a Mask” as a Therapy Directive
Curt and Katie chat about COVID, science, and critical thinking in an anti-intellectual, post-truth era. We look at what therapists’ responsibilities are to the greater good, whether we should tell our clients to wear masks, and how to help clients navigate very challenging decisions that must balance mental versus physical health as well as individual versus societal needs.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Should we tell our clients to wear masks?

How do we help our clients navigate the complex decisions related to risk

Client autonomy, transparency of goals, decreasing therapist bias

How science and the greater good come into the equation

Is there a duty to warn? Or duty to protect?

Imminence, privacy issues

Should we try to change behavior around wearing masks in public?

How we address risky behavior with clients

The impact of the presenting problem on deciding what we do

Our responsibility to society, to our communities versus our clients

Psychoeducation and alternate facts

The process of making decisions around health and safety

Sorting through and gaining agreement on what is truth

Therapists needing to be informed and be able to sort through expert information

The importance of critical thinking and the scientific method

Anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and cognitive dissonance

How to meet your client where they are while also not colluding with unhealthy beliefs

Helping our clients to navigate the current challenges to balance physical vs mental health needs, individual vs societal needs

The responsibility to bring up healthy decisions for our clients through psychoeducation

The complexity of decision-making during these times</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Wear a Mask as a Therapy Directive</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about COVID, science, and critical thinking</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>“Wear a Mask” as a Therapy Directive
Curt and Katie chat about COVID, science, and critical thinking in an anti-intellectual, post-truth era. We look at what therapists’ responsibilities are to the greater good, whether we should tell our clients to wear masks, and how to help clients navigate very challenging decisions that must balance mental versus physical health as well as individual versus societal needs.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Should we tell our clients to wear masks?

How do we help our clients navigate the complex decisions related to risk

Client autonomy, transparency of goals, decreasing therapist bias

How science and the greater good come into the equation

Is there a duty to warn? Or duty to protect?

Imminence, privacy issues

Should we try to change behavior around wearing masks in public?

How we address risky behavior with clients

The impact of the presenting problem on deciding what we do

Our responsibility to society, to our communities versus our clients

Psychoeducation and alternate facts

The process of making decisions around health and safety

Sorting through and gaining agreement on what is truth

Therapists needing to be informed and be able to sort through expert information

The importance of critical thinking and the scientific method

Anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and cognitive dissonance

How to meet your client where they are while also not colluding with unhealthy beliefs

Helping our clients to navigate the current challenges to balance physical vs mental health needs, individual vs societal needs

The responsibility to bring up healthy decisions for our clients through psychoeducation

The complexity of decision-making during these times</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>“Wear a Mask” as a Therapy Directive</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about COVID, science, and critical thinking in an anti-intellectual, post-truth era. We look at what therapists’ responsibilities are to the greater good, whether we should tell our clients to wear masks, and how to help clients navigate very challenging decisions that must balance mental versus physical health as well as individual versus societal needs.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Should we tell our clients to wear masks?</li>
<li>How do we help our clients navigate the complex decisions related to risk</li>
<li>Client autonomy, transparency of goals, decreasing therapist bias</li>
<li>How science and the greater good come into the equation</li>
<li>Is there a duty to warn? Or duty to protect?</li>
<li>Imminence, privacy issues</li>
<li>Should we try to change behavior around wearing masks in public?</li>
<li>How we address risky behavior with clients</li>
<li>The impact of the presenting problem on deciding what we do</li>
<li>Our responsibility to society, to our communities versus our clients</li>
<li>Psychoeducation and alternate facts</li>
<li>The process of making decisions around health and safety</li>
<li>Sorting through and gaining agreement on what is truth</li>
<li>Therapists needing to be informed and be able to sort through expert information</li>
<li>The importance of critical thinking and the scientific method</li>
<li>Anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and cognitive dissonance</li>
<li>How to meet your client where they are while also not colluding with unhealthy beliefs</li>
<li>Helping our clients to navigate the current challenges to balance physical vs mental health needs, individual vs societal needs</li>
<li>The responsibility to bring up healthy decisions for our clients through psychoeducation</li>
<li>The complexity of decision-making during these times</li>
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      <title>Starting a Therapist Podcast</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/starting-a-therapist-podcast</link>
      <description>Starting a Therapist Podcast
An interview with Joe Sanok, host of the Practice of the Practice podcast, on why, how, and when to start a podcast. Curt and Katie talk with Joe about what to consider when you’re a therapist with a bigger message. We get into some practical steps for podcasting. We also look at how you can create space for creativity, making a bigger impact, and slowing down.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Joe Sanok
Joe Sanok is a thought leader, productivity researcher, and speaker. As a TEDx speaker, HarperCollin author, business consultant, and podcaster Joe helps people to slow down to spark more innovation. Joe has the #1 podcast for counselors, The Practice of the Practice Podcast. With interviews with Pat Flynn, John Lee Dumas, and Jaime Masters, Joe is a rising star in the speaking world!
Joe is a writer for PsychCentral, has been featured on the Huffington Post, Forbes, GOOD Magazine, Reader's Digest, Entrepreneur on Fire, and Yahoo News. He is author of five books and has been named the Therapist Resource top podcast, consultant, and blogger.
In this episode we talk about:

The mistakes that Joe made that informs his work

The need to listen to their audience prior to launching products

How to listen to your audience

“Fall in love with the pain and the people before you ever pitch a product.”

Identifying pain points and the transformation

Applying the therapeutic process to content creation

Building your audience to the point that you can ask what the pain points are

Why it would be a good idea to start a podcast

Pod-fading - most podcasts stop releasing episodes within 12 episodes

How to choose your topic

The importance of being yourself

Understanding the goals of your podcast

The surprising things that happen when you have a podcast

Visibility and connection that comes from podcasting

Figuring out your next step and jumping before you’re ready

The importance of setting limits around your time – how that impacts your performance

The problem with over-thinking

The benefit of delegating tasks and dramatically decreasing your time at work

The process of refining your business to better support you and the problem of perfectionism</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Starting a Therapist Podcast: An interview with Joe Sanok</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Joe Sanok</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Starting a Therapist Podcast
An interview with Joe Sanok, host of the Practice of the Practice podcast, on why, how, and when to start a podcast. Curt and Katie talk with Joe about what to consider when you’re a therapist with a bigger message. We get into some practical steps for podcasting. We also look at how you can create space for creativity, making a bigger impact, and slowing down.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Joe Sanok
Joe Sanok is a thought leader, productivity researcher, and speaker. As a TEDx speaker, HarperCollin author, business consultant, and podcaster Joe helps people to slow down to spark more innovation. Joe has the #1 podcast for counselors, The Practice of the Practice Podcast. With interviews with Pat Flynn, John Lee Dumas, and Jaime Masters, Joe is a rising star in the speaking world!
Joe is a writer for PsychCentral, has been featured on the Huffington Post, Forbes, GOOD Magazine, Reader's Digest, Entrepreneur on Fire, and Yahoo News. He is author of five books and has been named the Therapist Resource top podcast, consultant, and blogger.
In this episode we talk about:

The mistakes that Joe made that informs his work

The need to listen to their audience prior to launching products

How to listen to your audience

“Fall in love with the pain and the people before you ever pitch a product.”

Identifying pain points and the transformation

Applying the therapeutic process to content creation

Building your audience to the point that you can ask what the pain points are

Why it would be a good idea to start a podcast

Pod-fading - most podcasts stop releasing episodes within 12 episodes

How to choose your topic

The importance of being yourself

Understanding the goals of your podcast

The surprising things that happen when you have a podcast

Visibility and connection that comes from podcasting

Figuring out your next step and jumping before you’re ready

The importance of setting limits around your time – how that impacts your performance

The problem with over-thinking

The benefit of delegating tasks and dramatically decreasing your time at work

The process of refining your business to better support you and the problem of perfectionism</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Starting a Therapist Podcast</p><p>An interview with Joe Sanok, host of the Practice of the Practice podcast, on why, how, and when to start a podcast. Curt and Katie talk with Joe about what to consider when you’re a therapist with a bigger message. We get into some practical steps for podcasting. We also look at how you can create space for creativity, making a bigger impact, and slowing down.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Joe Sanok</p><p>Joe Sanok is a thought leader, productivity researcher, and speaker. As a TEDx speaker, HarperCollin author, business consultant, and podcaster Joe helps people to slow down to spark more innovation. Joe has the #1 podcast for counselors, The Practice of the Practice Podcast. With interviews with Pat Flynn, John Lee Dumas, and Jaime Masters, Joe is a rising star in the speaking world!</p><p>Joe is a writer for PsychCentral, has been featured on the Huffington Post, Forbes, GOOD Magazine, Reader's Digest, Entrepreneur on Fire, and Yahoo News. He is author of five books and has been named the Therapist Resource top podcast, consultant, and blogger.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The mistakes that Joe made that informs his work</li>
<li>The need to listen to their audience prior to launching products</li>
<li>How to listen to your audience</li>
<li>“Fall in love with the pain and the people before you ever pitch a product.”</li>
<li>Identifying pain points and the transformation</li>
<li>Applying the therapeutic process to content creation</li>
<li>Building your audience to the point that you can ask what the pain points are</li>
<li>Why it would be a good idea to start a podcast</li>
<li>Pod-fading - most podcasts stop releasing episodes within 12 episodes</li>
<li>How to choose your topic</li>
<li>The importance of being yourself</li>
<li>Understanding the goals of your podcast</li>
<li>The surprising things that happen when you have a podcast</li>
<li>Visibility and connection that comes from podcasting</li>
<li>Figuring out your next step and jumping before you’re ready</li>
<li>The importance of setting limits around your time – how that impacts your performance</li>
<li>The problem with over-thinking</li>
<li>The benefit of delegating tasks and dramatically decreasing your time at work</li>
<li>The process of refining your business to better support you and the problem of perfectionism</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Financial Therapy</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/financial-therapy</link>
      <description>Financial Therapy
An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, about therapists talking about money with their clients. Curt and Katie talk with Lindsay about what therapists miss if they don’t bring money into the room. We look at the importance of financial therapy both for clients who are struggling financially as well as for clients who might be making more than you (and everyone in between). 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Lindsay Bryan Podvin, LMSW, Financial Therapist
Lindsay Bryan-Podvin is a biracial financial therapist, speaker, and author. As the first financial therapist in Michigan, she combines financial literacy with the emotional and psychological side of money. She's passionate about helping couples and individuals learn how to have a healthy relationship with money by removing shame from it. She helps her clients navigate financial wellness in a way that works for them.
In this episode we talk about:

Talking about money in the therapy room beyond budgeting

How frequently therapists avoid talking about money

Bias that therapists bring into the room around money

The challenge therapists face when money becomes an issue in session

How money issues come up for people who have money (not just people who have a lack of money)

The irony of therapists being told we shouldn’t make money

Myths surrounding financial therapy

Therapists already have the skills they need to do this work

The Four Financial Archetypes that Lindsay adapted from Dr. Brad Klontz’s work

The work needed to address your Financial Archetype

The types of conversations that can happen when you open up money as a topic of conversation in therapy

Looking at cultural and gender roles within the money conversation

The intervention of “money dates”

The importance of recognizing limitations in talking about money</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Financial Therapy: An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, Financial Therapist</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Financial Therapy
An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, about therapists talking about money with their clients. Curt and Katie talk with Lindsay about what therapists miss if they don’t bring money into the room. We look at the importance of financial therapy both for clients who are struggling financially as well as for clients who might be making more than you (and everyone in between). 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Lindsay Bryan Podvin, LMSW, Financial Therapist
Lindsay Bryan-Podvin is a biracial financial therapist, speaker, and author. As the first financial therapist in Michigan, she combines financial literacy with the emotional and psychological side of money. She's passionate about helping couples and individuals learn how to have a healthy relationship with money by removing shame from it. She helps her clients navigate financial wellness in a way that works for them.
In this episode we talk about:

Talking about money in the therapy room beyond budgeting

How frequently therapists avoid talking about money

Bias that therapists bring into the room around money

The challenge therapists face when money becomes an issue in session

How money issues come up for people who have money (not just people who have a lack of money)

The irony of therapists being told we shouldn’t make money

Myths surrounding financial therapy

Therapists already have the skills they need to do this work

The Four Financial Archetypes that Lindsay adapted from Dr. Brad Klontz’s work

The work needed to address your Financial Archetype

The types of conversations that can happen when you open up money as a topic of conversation in therapy

Looking at cultural and gender roles within the money conversation

The intervention of “money dates”

The importance of recognizing limitations in talking about money</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Financial Therapy</p><p>An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, about therapists talking about money with their clients. Curt and Katie talk with Lindsay about what therapists miss if they don’t bring money into the room. We look at the importance of financial therapy both for clients who are struggling financially as well as for clients who might be making more than you (and everyone in between). </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Lindsay Bryan Podvin, LMSW, Financial Therapist</p><p>Lindsay Bryan-Podvin is a biracial financial therapist, speaker, and author. As the first financial therapist in Michigan, she combines financial literacy with the emotional and psychological side of money. She's passionate about helping couples and individuals learn how to have a healthy relationship with money by removing shame from it. She helps her clients navigate financial wellness in a way that works for them.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Talking about money in the therapy room beyond budgeting</li>
<li>How frequently therapists avoid talking about money</li>
<li>Bias that therapists bring into the room around money</li>
<li>The challenge therapists face when money becomes an issue in session</li>
<li>How money issues come up for people who have money (not just people who have a lack of money)</li>
<li>The irony of therapists being told we shouldn’t make money</li>
<li>Myths surrounding financial therapy</li>
<li>Therapists already have the skills they need to do this work</li>
<li>The Four Financial Archetypes that Lindsay adapted from Dr. Brad Klontz’s work</li>
<li>The work needed to address your Financial Archetype</li>
<li>The types of conversations that can happen when you open up money as a topic of conversation in therapy</li>
<li>Looking at cultural and gender roles within the money conversation</li>
<li>The intervention of “money dates”</li>
<li>The importance of recognizing limitations in talking about money</li>
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      <title>Greater Impact as a Therapist</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/greater-impact-as-a-therapist-0</link>
      <description>Greater Impact as a Therapist
An interview with Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT about how to grow a big impact through personal branding, speaking, and breaking into larger media channels. Curt and Katie talk with Kiaundra about the importance of authenticity, owning your credibility, and diversifying your income through alternate methods to get your message out there.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT
Kiaundra Jackson is known as America's #1 Relationship Therapist. She has been seen on OWN’s new hit TV Show, Love Goals and as a reoccurring expert on The Doctors. She has been recently featured in Oprah’s Magazine, Essence, The New York Times, FOX, The CW, BET, Vice and The Huffington Post as one of the ‘10 Black Female Therapists You Should Know.’ She is an award-winning speaker, best-selling author, TV Personality and a trusted Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist that gets results. She is a noted expert on healthy relationships and mental health. Kiaundra is the visionary of KW Couples Therapy and the Co-Founder of Black Speakers Rock.
Through her early work, she discovered the importance of having healthy relationships. From that point on, she chose to specialize in helping couples strengthen and repair their relationships. She helps to improve intimacy with couples by increasing effective two­-way communication. She is dedicated to helping couples increase sexual, physical, emotional, and spiritual intimacy. Kiaundra specializes in working with couples who truly desire to maintain a healthy, long-lasting relationship and uncover their true potential.
Kiaundra’s vision is to help ONE MILLION couples heal their relationships, prevent divorce, and keep families together. 
In this episode we talk about:

Kiaundra’s goal of helping therapists create an impact beyond the therapy room

The importance of being authentic and showing up the same way wherever you are (on a stage or in the therapy room)

Intentional effort to make your public persona through your expertise, your credibility, and your self – based on the story people might tell about you when you’re not there, living out loud

How to claim your credibility, even when you’re not ready to believe it

Therapists have a huge wealth of knowledge, so we need to identify what we want to talk about

The vulnerability of putting yourself on a larger stage

Combatting the haters by focusing on those people who do love you or resonate with you

Impostor Syndrome based on being vulnerable and in the public eye

“People don’t always watch you because they want to see you to win, they’re waiting for that one moment for you to mess up.” – Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT

We have to put this aside and show up every time

The importance of showing up more consistently on social media, especially with live videos

Showing up in your community – speaking at smaller events, giving back to our community

The ability to give more information to your applications for conferences or podcast interviews, if you have a social media presence

How to use a larger brand to impact others, serve others, and diversify income

Things to consider when making a decision on what you do – core values, financial compensation, and connection – as well as sorting through what is beneficial

There is nothing wrong with doing free speaking engagements – but you need to be strategic about it

The additional benefits you can ask for when getting a free or lower paid speaking offer

Make sure your target audience is in the audience where you are speaking (and you’re talking about what you’d like to work on, your expertise, and how you’d like to grow)</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Greater Impact as a Therapist: An interview with Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Greater Impact as a Therapist
An interview with Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT about how to grow a big impact through personal branding, speaking, and breaking into larger media channels. Curt and Katie talk with Kiaundra about the importance of authenticity, owning your credibility, and diversifying your income through alternate methods to get your message out there.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT
Kiaundra Jackson is known as America's #1 Relationship Therapist. She has been seen on OWN’s new hit TV Show, Love Goals and as a reoccurring expert on The Doctors. She has been recently featured in Oprah’s Magazine, Essence, The New York Times, FOX, The CW, BET, Vice and The Huffington Post as one of the ‘10 Black Female Therapists You Should Know.’ She is an award-winning speaker, best-selling author, TV Personality and a trusted Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist that gets results. She is a noted expert on healthy relationships and mental health. Kiaundra is the visionary of KW Couples Therapy and the Co-Founder of Black Speakers Rock.
Through her early work, she discovered the importance of having healthy relationships. From that point on, she chose to specialize in helping couples strengthen and repair their relationships. She helps to improve intimacy with couples by increasing effective two­-way communication. She is dedicated to helping couples increase sexual, physical, emotional, and spiritual intimacy. Kiaundra specializes in working with couples who truly desire to maintain a healthy, long-lasting relationship and uncover their true potential.
Kiaundra’s vision is to help ONE MILLION couples heal their relationships, prevent divorce, and keep families together. 
In this episode we talk about:

Kiaundra’s goal of helping therapists create an impact beyond the therapy room

The importance of being authentic and showing up the same way wherever you are (on a stage or in the therapy room)

Intentional effort to make your public persona through your expertise, your credibility, and your self – based on the story people might tell about you when you’re not there, living out loud

How to claim your credibility, even when you’re not ready to believe it

Therapists have a huge wealth of knowledge, so we need to identify what we want to talk about

The vulnerability of putting yourself on a larger stage

Combatting the haters by focusing on those people who do love you or resonate with you

Impostor Syndrome based on being vulnerable and in the public eye

“People don’t always watch you because they want to see you to win, they’re waiting for that one moment for you to mess up.” – Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT

We have to put this aside and show up every time

The importance of showing up more consistently on social media, especially with live videos

Showing up in your community – speaking at smaller events, giving back to our community

The ability to give more information to your applications for conferences or podcast interviews, if you have a social media presence

How to use a larger brand to impact others, serve others, and diversify income

Things to consider when making a decision on what you do – core values, financial compensation, and connection – as well as sorting through what is beneficial

There is nothing wrong with doing free speaking engagements – but you need to be strategic about it

The additional benefits you can ask for when getting a free or lower paid speaking offer

Make sure your target audience is in the audience where you are speaking (and you’re talking about what you’d like to work on, your expertise, and how you’d like to grow)</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Greater Impact as a Therapist</p><p>An interview with Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT about how to grow a big impact through personal branding, speaking, and breaking into larger media channels. Curt and Katie talk with Kiaundra about the importance of authenticity, owning your credibility, and diversifying your income through alternate methods to get your message out there.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT</p><p>Kiaundra Jackson is known as America's #1 Relationship Therapist. She has been seen on OWN’s new hit TV Show, Love Goals and as a reoccurring expert on The Doctors. She has been recently featured in Oprah’s Magazine, Essence, The New York Times, FOX, The CW, BET, Vice and The Huffington Post as one of the ‘10 Black Female Therapists You Should Know.’ She is an award-winning speaker, best-selling author, TV Personality and a trusted Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist that gets results. She is a noted expert on healthy relationships and mental health. Kiaundra is the visionary of KW Couples Therapy and the Co-Founder of Black Speakers Rock.</p><p>Through her early work, she discovered the importance of having healthy relationships. From that point on, she chose to specialize in helping couples strengthen and repair their relationships. She helps to improve intimacy with couples by increasing effective two­-way communication. She is dedicated to helping couples increase sexual, physical, emotional, and spiritual intimacy. Kiaundra specializes in working with couples who truly desire to maintain a healthy, long-lasting relationship and uncover their true potential.</p><p>Kiaundra’s vision is to help ONE MILLION couples heal their relationships, prevent divorce, and keep families together. </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Kiaundra’s goal of helping therapists create an impact beyond the therapy room</li>
<li>The importance of being authentic and showing up the same way wherever you are (on a stage or in the therapy room)</li>
<li>Intentional effort to make your public persona through your expertise, your credibility, and your self – based on the story people might tell about you when you’re not there, living out loud</li>
<li>How to claim your credibility, even when you’re not ready to believe it</li>
<li>Therapists have a huge wealth of knowledge, so we need to identify what we want to talk about</li>
<li>The vulnerability of putting yourself on a larger stage</li>
<li>Combatting the haters by focusing on those people who do love you or resonate with you</li>
<li>Impostor Syndrome based on being vulnerable and in the public eye</li>
<li>“People don’t always watch you because they want to see you to win, they’re waiting for that one moment for you to mess up.” – Kiaundra Jackson, LMFT</li>
<li>We have to put this aside and show up every time</li>
<li>The importance of showing up more consistently on social media, especially with live videos</li>
<li>Showing up in your community – speaking at smaller events, giving back to our community</li>
<li>The ability to give more information to your applications for conferences or podcast interviews, if you have a social media presence</li>
<li>How to use a larger brand to impact others, serve others, and diversify income</li>
<li>Things to consider when making a decision on what you do – core values, financial compensation, and connection – as well as sorting through what is beneficial</li>
<li>There is nothing wrong with doing free speaking engagements – but you need to be strategic about it</li>
<li>The additional benefits you can ask for when getting a free or lower paid speaking offer</li>
<li>Make sure your target audience is in the audience where you are speaking (and you’re talking about what you’d like to work on, your expertise, and how you’d like to grow)</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/is-therapy-an-opiate-of-the-masses</link>
      <description>Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?
Curt and Katie chat about how therapy can collude with the status quo and has historically failed to serve marginalized populations. We talk about the risks of therapy that doesn’t honor the context and systems within which people and families operate. We look at how therapists can create complacence and obedience if not careful.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Criticisms of therapy as an opiate of the masses

Does therapy reinforce the status quo?

“Normal” as a culture bound concept

Feminist Therapy, Liberation Psychology, Decolonized Therapy

The history of pathologizing or demonizing LGBTQ+

Therapy as a white construct

Bias in MMPI and re-norming

How bias toward “normal” permeates clinical work

How therapists reinforce systems norms, encouraging placating the system

First, Second, and Third Order change – Individual within family within the systems within which the family operates

Individual versus collective change

The challenge of assessing and treating within the complex overlay of systems

The limitations of evidence-based treatments

The vision of acceptance of diversity

Therapist training gaps

The Seven-Eyed Model of Supervision

Impacts for case conceptualization

Looking at clients as agents of change, as impacted by their context

Validating experiences, increasing resilience and capacity, empowering client to make larger changes

Suggesting coping skills without diminishing systemic impacts

Therapy as a bandaid

“As therapists, we can do a really good job of moving people to complacence if we’re not careful.” – Katie

Helping individuals to heal, then moving to “now that”

The requirement for therapists to be advocates for change within their communities</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about how therapy can collude with the status quo </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?
Curt and Katie chat about how therapy can collude with the status quo and has historically failed to serve marginalized populations. We talk about the risks of therapy that doesn’t honor the context and systems within which people and families operate. We look at how therapists can create complacence and obedience if not careful.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Criticisms of therapy as an opiate of the masses

Does therapy reinforce the status quo?

“Normal” as a culture bound concept

Feminist Therapy, Liberation Psychology, Decolonized Therapy

The history of pathologizing or demonizing LGBTQ+

Therapy as a white construct

Bias in MMPI and re-norming

How bias toward “normal” permeates clinical work

How therapists reinforce systems norms, encouraging placating the system

First, Second, and Third Order change – Individual within family within the systems within which the family operates

Individual versus collective change

The challenge of assessing and treating within the complex overlay of systems

The limitations of evidence-based treatments

The vision of acceptance of diversity

Therapist training gaps

The Seven-Eyed Model of Supervision

Impacts for case conceptualization

Looking at clients as agents of change, as impacted by their context

Validating experiences, increasing resilience and capacity, empowering client to make larger changes

Suggesting coping skills without diminishing systemic impacts

Therapy as a bandaid

“As therapists, we can do a really good job of moving people to complacence if we’re not careful.” – Katie

Helping individuals to heal, then moving to “now that”

The requirement for therapists to be advocates for change within their communities</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Is Therapy an Opiate of the Masses?</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how therapy can collude with the status quo and has historically failed to serve marginalized populations. We talk about the risks of therapy that doesn’t honor the context and systems within which people and families operate. We look at how therapists can create complacence and obedience if not careful.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Criticisms of therapy as an opiate of the masses</li>
<li>Does therapy reinforce the status quo?</li>
<li>“Normal” as a culture bound concept</li>
<li>Feminist Therapy, Liberation Psychology, Decolonized Therapy</li>
<li>The history of pathologizing or demonizing LGBTQ+</li>
<li>Therapy as a white construct</li>
<li>Bias in MMPI and re-norming</li>
<li>How bias toward “normal” permeates clinical work</li>
<li>How therapists reinforce systems norms, encouraging placating the system</li>
<li>First, Second, and Third Order change – Individual within family within the systems within which the family operates</li>
<li>Individual versus collective change</li>
<li>The challenge of assessing and treating within the complex overlay of systems</li>
<li>The limitations of evidence-based treatments</li>
<li>The vision of acceptance of diversity</li>
<li>Therapist training gaps</li>
<li>The Seven-Eyed Model of Supervision</li>
<li>Impacts for case conceptualization</li>
<li>Looking at clients as agents of change, as impacted by their context</li>
<li>Validating experiences, increasing resilience and capacity, empowering client to make larger changes</li>
<li>Suggesting coping skills without diminishing systemic impacts</li>
<li>Therapy as a bandaid</li>
<li>“As therapists, we can do a really good job of moving people to complacence if we’re not careful.” – Katie</li>
<li>Helping individuals to heal, then moving to “now that”</li>
<li>The requirement for therapists to be advocates for change within their communities</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Exploring Trauma and the 12 Steps</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/exploring-trauma-and-the-12-steps</link>
      <description>Exploring Trauma and the 12 Steps
An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich, on her revised book: Trauma and the 12 Steps, exploring how 12 Step programs can be trauma-informed. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Marich about how to interweave a trauma-focus into substance abuse self-help and treatment centers.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-500, RMT
Dr. Jamie Marich describes herself as a facilitator of transformative experiences. A clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. She began her career as a humanitarian aid worker in Bosnia-Hercegovina from 2000-2003, primarily teaching English and music while freelancing with other projects. Jamie travels internationally teaching on topics related to trauma, EMDR therapy, expressive arts, mindfulness, and yoga, while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. Marich is the founder of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice to expressive arts therapy. She is also the co-creator of the Yoga Unchained approach to trauma-informed yoga, and the developer of Yoga for Clinicians. Marich is the author of EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client (2011), Trauma and the Twelve Steps: A Complete Guide for Recovery Enhancement (2012), Creative Mindfulness (2013), Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors, and Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015). Marich co-authored EMDR Therapy &amp; Mindfulness for Trauma-Focused Care along with colleague Dr. Stephen Dansiger, which was released with  Springer Publishing in 2017. Her newest title, Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery, released in April 2019. North Atlantic Books is publishing a second and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps, due for release in the Summer of 2020. Marich’s writing and work on Dancing Mindfulness was featured in the  New York Times in 2017. In 2015, she had the privilege of delivering a TEDx talk on trauma. NALGAP: The Association of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Addiction Professionals and Their Allies awarded Jamie with their esteemed President’s Award in 2015 for her work as an LGBT advocate. The EMDR International Association (EMDRIA) granted Jamie the 2019 Advocacy in EMDR Award for her using her public platform in media and in the addiction field to advance awareness about EMDR therapy and to reduce stigma around mental health.
In this episode we talk about:

Jamie Marich’s return to the podcast

The Revised and Expanded Trauma and the 12 Steps


The large variation in the programs for substance abuse treatment in whether they are able to include a trauma-informed lens

What it looks like to actually interweave the trauma-informed structure to substance abuse tx

The power and impact of one alcoholic talking to another

The importance of connection, community and relationships

The changing face of recovery (including starting with 2 white men and becoming more diverse and inclusive)

Attraction rather than promotion

Validating strife and struggle then challenging it

The bridge between trauma mental health treatment and recovery

The fear about trauma work within the addiction community</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Exploring Trauma and the 12 Steps: An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Exploring Trauma and the 12 Steps
An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich, on her revised book: Trauma and the 12 Steps, exploring how 12 Step programs can be trauma-informed. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Marich about how to interweave a trauma-focus into substance abuse self-help and treatment centers.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-500, RMT
Dr. Jamie Marich describes herself as a facilitator of transformative experiences. A clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. She began her career as a humanitarian aid worker in Bosnia-Hercegovina from 2000-2003, primarily teaching English and music while freelancing with other projects. Jamie travels internationally teaching on topics related to trauma, EMDR therapy, expressive arts, mindfulness, and yoga, while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. Marich is the founder of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice to expressive arts therapy. She is also the co-creator of the Yoga Unchained approach to trauma-informed yoga, and the developer of Yoga for Clinicians. Marich is the author of EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client (2011), Trauma and the Twelve Steps: A Complete Guide for Recovery Enhancement (2012), Creative Mindfulness (2013), Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors, and Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015). Marich co-authored EMDR Therapy &amp; Mindfulness for Trauma-Focused Care along with colleague Dr. Stephen Dansiger, which was released with  Springer Publishing in 2017. Her newest title, Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery, released in April 2019. North Atlantic Books is publishing a second and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps, due for release in the Summer of 2020. Marich’s writing and work on Dancing Mindfulness was featured in the  New York Times in 2017. In 2015, she had the privilege of delivering a TEDx talk on trauma. NALGAP: The Association of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Addiction Professionals and Their Allies awarded Jamie with their esteemed President’s Award in 2015 for her work as an LGBT advocate. The EMDR International Association (EMDRIA) granted Jamie the 2019 Advocacy in EMDR Award for her using her public platform in media and in the addiction field to advance awareness about EMDR therapy and to reduce stigma around mental health.
In this episode we talk about:

Jamie Marich’s return to the podcast

The Revised and Expanded Trauma and the 12 Steps


The large variation in the programs for substance abuse treatment in whether they are able to include a trauma-informed lens

What it looks like to actually interweave the trauma-informed structure to substance abuse tx

The power and impact of one alcoholic talking to another

The importance of connection, community and relationships

The changing face of recovery (including starting with 2 white men and becoming more diverse and inclusive)

Attraction rather than promotion

Validating strife and struggle then challenging it

The bridge between trauma mental health treatment and recovery

The fear about trauma work within the addiction community</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Exploring Trauma and the 12 Steps</p><p>An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich, on her revised book: <em>Trauma and the 12 Steps</em>, exploring how 12 Step programs can be trauma-informed. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Marich about how to interweave a trauma-focus into substance abuse self-help and treatment centers.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-500, RMT</p><p>Dr. Jamie Marich describes herself as a facilitator of transformative experiences. A clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. She began her career as a humanitarian aid worker in Bosnia-Hercegovina from 2000-2003, primarily teaching English and music while freelancing with other projects. Jamie travels internationally teaching on topics related to trauma, EMDR therapy, expressive arts, mindfulness, and yoga, while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. Marich is the founder of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the <a href="http://www.dancingmindfulness.com"><em>Dancing Mindfulness</em></a> practice to expressive arts therapy. She is also the co-creator of the <a href="http://www.yogaunchained.com">Yoga Unchained</a> approach to trauma-informed yoga, and the developer of <em>Yoga for Clinicians</em>. Marich is the author of <em>EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client</em> (2011), <em>Trauma and the Twelve Steps: A Complete Guide for Recovery Enhancement</em> (2012), <em>Creative</em> Mindfulness (2013), Trauma <em>Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors</em>, and <em>Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation</em> (2015). Marich co-authored <em>EMDR Therapy &amp; Mindfulness for Trauma-Focused Care</em> along with colleague Dr. Stephen Dansiger, which was released with <a href="http://www.springerpub.com/emdr-therapy-and-mindfulness-for-trauma-focused-care.html"> Springer Publishing</a> in 2017. Her newest title, <em>Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery</em>, released in April 2019. North Atlantic Books is publishing a second and expanded edition of <em>Trauma and the 12 Steps</em>, due for release in the Summer of 2020. Marich’s writing and work on <em>Dancing Mindfulness</em> was featured in the <a href="https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/well/mind/how-to-be-mindful-when-you-are-dancing.html"> New York Times</a> in 2017. In 2015, she had the privilege of delivering a TEDx talk on trauma. NALGAP: The Association of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Addiction Professionals and Their Allies awarded Jamie with their esteemed President’s Award in 2015 for her work as an LGBT advocate. The EMDR International Association (EMDRIA) granted Jamie the 2019 Advocacy in EMDR Award for her using her public platform in media and in the addiction field to advance awareness about EMDR therapy and to reduce stigma around mental health.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Jamie Marich’s return to the podcast</li>
<li>The Revised and Expanded <em>Trauma and the 12 Steps</em>
</li>
<li>The large variation in the programs for substance abuse treatment in whether they are able to include a trauma-informed lens</li>
<li>What it looks like to actually interweave the trauma-informed structure to substance abuse tx</li>
<li>The power and impact of one alcoholic talking to another</li>
<li>The importance of connection, community and relationships</li>
<li>The changing face of recovery (including starting with 2 white men and becoming more diverse and inclusive)</li>
<li>Attraction rather than promotion</li>
<li>Validating strife and struggle then challenging it</li>
<li>The bridge between trauma mental health treatment and recovery</li>
<li>The fear about trauma work within the addiction community</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Work Harder Than Your Clients</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/work-harder-than-your-clients</link>
      <description>Work Harder Than Your Clients
Curt and Katie chat about why and when you should ignore the advice to “not work harder than your clients.” We look at bias in goal-setting, managing risk, focusing on the client’s needs, and the importance of continuing education as well as on-going work outside of session.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The adage that you shouldn’t work harder than your clients

The concern that it gives permission to be lazy.

The importance of working hard as a therapist

Simplification of the concept of being more invested in the outcome than the client

Bad therapy practices – bias, lack of client determination, focusing on traditional treatment outcomes, investment in a specific outcome that may or may not align with clients’ values

Be present with your client on purpose, working hard

Deliberate practice versus complacency

Preparing for the situations that may come up, not just one specific concern

The “how” of therapy – looking at language, understanding, and relationship with the client

Consultation, self-assessment, case formulation

Better understanding of what the true workload is compared to your caseload

What you shouldn’t be doing to work harder within session

The business implications of working harder

Dismantling the truisms and oversimplified statements that get passed around

Clinical situations that require you to work harder than the clients

Working harder than a check box (clinical implications rather than liability check box)

Self-management – understanding why you’re doing what you’re doing

Questions to consider when looking at your efforts

Collaborative treatment planning (both overt and covert)

The impact of doing anti-racist work with clients who are not ready for it

The importance of identifying whose goal is being pursued in the room

The benefits of supervision and consultation

How to set covert goals, looking at work outside of session and timing

Dismantling assumptions and meeting clients where they are

The harder work we have to do is the work we need to do on ourselves

Responding to clients with curiosity, professionality, comfort, and authenticity</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Work Harder Than Your Clients</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about common advice therapists get (and why it's wrong)</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Work Harder Than Your Clients
Curt and Katie chat about why and when you should ignore the advice to “not work harder than your clients.” We look at bias in goal-setting, managing risk, focusing on the client’s needs, and the importance of continuing education as well as on-going work outside of session.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The adage that you shouldn’t work harder than your clients

The concern that it gives permission to be lazy.

The importance of working hard as a therapist

Simplification of the concept of being more invested in the outcome than the client

Bad therapy practices – bias, lack of client determination, focusing on traditional treatment outcomes, investment in a specific outcome that may or may not align with clients’ values

Be present with your client on purpose, working hard

Deliberate practice versus complacency

Preparing for the situations that may come up, not just one specific concern

The “how” of therapy – looking at language, understanding, and relationship with the client

Consultation, self-assessment, case formulation

Better understanding of what the true workload is compared to your caseload

What you shouldn’t be doing to work harder within session

The business implications of working harder

Dismantling the truisms and oversimplified statements that get passed around

Clinical situations that require you to work harder than the clients

Working harder than a check box (clinical implications rather than liability check box)

Self-management – understanding why you’re doing what you’re doing

Questions to consider when looking at your efforts

Collaborative treatment planning (both overt and covert)

The impact of doing anti-racist work with clients who are not ready for it

The importance of identifying whose goal is being pursued in the room

The benefits of supervision and consultation

How to set covert goals, looking at work outside of session and timing

Dismantling assumptions and meeting clients where they are

The harder work we have to do is the work we need to do on ourselves

Responding to clients with curiosity, professionality, comfort, and authenticity</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Work Harder Than Your Clients</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about why and when you should ignore the advice to “not work harder than your clients.” We look at bias in goal-setting, managing risk, focusing on the client’s needs, and the importance of continuing education as well as on-going work outside of session.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The adage that you shouldn’t work harder than your clients</li>
<li>The concern that it gives permission to be lazy.</li>
<li>The importance of working hard as a therapist</li>
<li>Simplification of the concept of being more invested in the outcome than the client</li>
<li>Bad therapy practices – bias, lack of client determination, focusing on traditional treatment outcomes, investment in a specific outcome that may or may not align with clients’ values</li>
<li>Be present with your client on purpose, working hard</li>
<li>Deliberate practice versus complacency</li>
<li>Preparing for the situations that may come up, not just one specific concern</li>
<li>The “how” of therapy – looking at language, understanding, and relationship with the client</li>
<li>Consultation, self-assessment, case formulation</li>
<li>Better understanding of what the true workload is compared to your caseload</li>
<li>What you shouldn’t be doing to work harder within session</li>
<li>The business implications of working harder</li>
<li>Dismantling the truisms and oversimplified statements that get passed around</li>
<li>Clinical situations that require you to work harder than the clients</li>
<li>Working harder than a check box (clinical implications rather than liability check box)</li>
<li>Self-management – understanding why you’re doing what you’re doing</li>
<li>Questions to consider when looking at your efforts</li>
<li>Collaborative treatment planning (both overt and covert)</li>
<li>The impact of doing anti-racist work with clients who are not ready for it</li>
<li>The importance of identifying whose goal is being pursued in the room</li>
<li>The benefits of supervision and consultation</li>
<li>How to set covert goals, looking at work outside of session and timing</li>
<li>Dismantling assumptions and meeting clients where they are</li>
<li>The harder work we have to do is the work we need to do on ourselves</li>
<li>Responding to clients with curiosity, professionality, comfort, and authenticity</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Bi+ Erasure</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/bi-erasure</link>
      <description>Bi+ Erasure
An interview with Dr. Mimi Hoang, Ph.D., about Bi+ Affirmative therapy and what therapists often get wrong about working with Bi+ people. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Mimi about how often Bi+ people are left out of the conversation (and training) regarding LGBTQ+ people, the consistent erasure and exclusion Bi+ people face, the biases that show up in the therapy room, and how therapists can better prepare themselves for working with the largest segment of the LGBTQ+ community.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Mimi Hoang, Ph.D. (she/her/hers), Psychologist, Author, and Activist
Dr. Mimi Hoang is a nationally-recognized psychologist, educator, author, and grassroots activist specializing in the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ+) and Asian Pacific Islander (API) communities. Since the 1990s, she has co-founded three organizations in Los Angeles for bisexual, pansexual, fluid, and other nonmonosexual (AKA "bi+") individuals, authored multiple publications, and earned a seat at the landmark 2013 White House Bisexual Community Roundtable. Dr. Mimi's steadfast leadership has earned her multiple awards, a feature in Jan Dee Gordon's LGBTQ of Steel photography book, mentions in Cosmopolitan and HuffPost, and being named “One of the Most Significant Women in the Bisexual Movement.” She currently works as a Staff Psychologist at Loyola Marymount University (LMU) Student Psychological Services, Professor of Clinical Psychology at Antioch University Los Angeles, and is the creator of the "Bi on Life" self-empowerment series. Learn more at www.drmimihoang.com.
In this episode we talk about:

The tendency for conversations around LGBTQ+ training often leaves out information bisexuality

Mimi’s story, including the organizations she has created to support people who are bisexual, pansexual, fluid, and other nonmonosexual individuals

The challenge of identifying within a binary of gay or straight and heteronormativity

What therapists often get wrong when working with Bi+ clients

How likely it is that your client will come out to you

The biases against bisexuality in the therapy room

Misunderstanding, over simplification, quantification, and other problems in exploring sexuality with Bi+ people

Bi-Phobia from the gay community and code switching to “fit in”

The concept of Bi Erasure

The reasons for Bi+ erasure and exclusion

The doubt of existence of bisexuality

The huge gap in psychotherapist education related to bisexuality

The importance of getting more training on bisexuality

Asking the sexual orientation question, exploring sexuality

Neutralizing your language when talking about partners

Best practices for treating Bi+ people</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Bi+ Erasure: An Interview with Dr. Mimi Hoang</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Mimi Hoang</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Bi+ Erasure
An interview with Dr. Mimi Hoang, Ph.D., about Bi+ Affirmative therapy and what therapists often get wrong about working with Bi+ people. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Mimi about how often Bi+ people are left out of the conversation (and training) regarding LGBTQ+ people, the consistent erasure and exclusion Bi+ people face, the biases that show up in the therapy room, and how therapists can better prepare themselves for working with the largest segment of the LGBTQ+ community.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Mimi Hoang, Ph.D. (she/her/hers), Psychologist, Author, and Activist
Dr. Mimi Hoang is a nationally-recognized psychologist, educator, author, and grassroots activist specializing in the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ+) and Asian Pacific Islander (API) communities. Since the 1990s, she has co-founded three organizations in Los Angeles for bisexual, pansexual, fluid, and other nonmonosexual (AKA "bi+") individuals, authored multiple publications, and earned a seat at the landmark 2013 White House Bisexual Community Roundtable. Dr. Mimi's steadfast leadership has earned her multiple awards, a feature in Jan Dee Gordon's LGBTQ of Steel photography book, mentions in Cosmopolitan and HuffPost, and being named “One of the Most Significant Women in the Bisexual Movement.” She currently works as a Staff Psychologist at Loyola Marymount University (LMU) Student Psychological Services, Professor of Clinical Psychology at Antioch University Los Angeles, and is the creator of the "Bi on Life" self-empowerment series. Learn more at www.drmimihoang.com.
In this episode we talk about:

The tendency for conversations around LGBTQ+ training often leaves out information bisexuality

Mimi’s story, including the organizations she has created to support people who are bisexual, pansexual, fluid, and other nonmonosexual individuals

The challenge of identifying within a binary of gay or straight and heteronormativity

What therapists often get wrong when working with Bi+ clients

How likely it is that your client will come out to you

The biases against bisexuality in the therapy room

Misunderstanding, over simplification, quantification, and other problems in exploring sexuality with Bi+ people

Bi-Phobia from the gay community and code switching to “fit in”

The concept of Bi Erasure

The reasons for Bi+ erasure and exclusion

The doubt of existence of bisexuality

The huge gap in psychotherapist education related to bisexuality

The importance of getting more training on bisexuality

Asking the sexual orientation question, exploring sexuality

Neutralizing your language when talking about partners

Best practices for treating Bi+ people</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bi+ Erasure</p><p>An interview with Dr. Mimi Hoang, Ph.D., about Bi+ Affirmative therapy and what therapists often get wrong about working with Bi+ people. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Mimi about how often Bi+ people are left out of the conversation (and training) regarding LGBTQ+ people, the consistent erasure and exclusion Bi+ people face, the biases that show up in the therapy room, and how therapists can better prepare themselves for working with the largest segment of the LGBTQ+ community.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Mimi Hoang, Ph.D. (she/her/hers), Psychologist, Author, and Activist</p><p>Dr. Mimi Hoang is a nationally-recognized psychologist, educator, author, and grassroots activist specializing in the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ+) and Asian Pacific Islander (API) communities. Since the 1990s, she has co-founded three organizations in Los Angeles for bisexual, pansexual, fluid, and other nonmonosexual (AKA "bi+") individuals, authored multiple publications, and earned a seat at the landmark 2013 White House Bisexual Community Roundtable. Dr. Mimi's steadfast leadership has earned her multiple awards, a feature in Jan Dee Gordon's <em>LGBTQ of Steel</em> photography book, mentions in <em>Cosmopolitan </em>and <em>HuffPost</em>, and being named “One of the Most Significant Women in the Bisexual Movement.” She currently works as a Staff Psychologist at Loyola Marymount University (LMU) Student Psychological Services, Professor of Clinical Psychology at Antioch University Los Angeles, and is the creator of the "Bi on Life" self-empowerment series. Learn more at <a href="http://www.drmimihoang.com">www.drmimihoang.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The tendency for conversations around LGBTQ+ training often leaves out information bisexuality</li>
<li>Mimi’s story, including the organizations she has created to support people who are bisexual, pansexual, fluid, and other nonmonosexual individuals</li>
<li>The challenge of identifying within a binary of gay or straight and heteronormativity</li>
<li>What therapists often get wrong when working with Bi+ clients</li>
<li>How likely it is that your client will come out to you</li>
<li>The biases against bisexuality in the therapy room</li>
<li>Misunderstanding, over simplification, quantification, and other problems in exploring sexuality with Bi+ people</li>
<li>Bi-Phobia from the gay community and code switching to “fit in”</li>
<li>The concept of Bi Erasure</li>
<li>The reasons for Bi+ erasure and exclusion</li>
<li>The doubt of existence of bisexuality</li>
<li>The huge gap in psychotherapist education related to bisexuality</li>
<li>The importance of getting more training on bisexuality</li>
<li>Asking the sexual orientation question, exploring sexuality</li>
<li>Neutralizing your language when talking about partners</li>
<li>Best practices for treating Bi+ people</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Reigniting Therapy</title>
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      <description>Reigniting Therapy
An interview with Dr. Daryl Chow regarding how to do effective therapy. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Chow about the ways in which therapists can improve clinically – looking at the relationship, the expectations of clients, and what we each uniquely bring to the room. We also discuss deliberate practice, lifelong learning, and the difference between confidence and competence.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Daryl Chow, MA, PhD (Psych)
Daryl Chow, MA, PhD (Psych) is a practicing psychologist and trainer. He is a senior associate of the International Center for Clinical Excellence (ICCE). He devotes his time to workshops, consultations and researches the development of expertise and highly effective psychotherapists, helping practitioners to achieve better results.
Daryl is the author of The First Kiss: Undoing the Intake Model and Igniting First Sessions in Psychotherapy. His work has also appeared in edited books, peer-reviewed journal articles, and he is a co-editor of The Write to Recovery: Personal Stories &amp; Lessons about Recovery from Mental Health Concerns.
Daryl’s blog, Frontiers of Psychotherapist Development is aimed at inspiring and sustaining practitioners’ individualized professional development. His highly personalized in-depth online course for supervisors, Reigniting Clinical Supervision, serves as a leading light to help raise the bar of effectiveness in psychotherapy.
Currently, Daryl maintains a private practice with a vibrant team at Henry Street Centre, Fremantle, and continues to serve as a senior psychologist at the Institute of Mental Health, Singapore.
In this episode we talk about:

Chow describing himself as a slow learner

The value of deep learning

The problems with therapist education

Banking versus kindling model of education

Learning conversation versus theory

The importance of practical learning

How we get in the way as therapists

How to manage first sessions (what you are gifting, versus what you are taking)

Undoing the intake perspective

We are not in the business of fast food

Trajectory of change, continuity of services

20-30% of people come only for one session

“Sufficing” our information rather than deep probing

“Information is not transformation” – Dr. Daryl Chow

First principles and the hero’s journey

Evidence-based therapy versus developing good therapists

Deliberate practice as a verb

“It is so much easier to buy tools than to get good”

What is NOT deliberate practice

“Confidence is not competence”

We get worse as therapists over time if we don’t practice deliberately

The importance of lifelong learning

The systemic challenges to maintaining skills and getting better

What to work on that has leverage for you – finding your own growth edges

Measuring growth versus measuring performance</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Reigniting Therapy: An Interview with Dr. Daryl Chow</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Daryl Chow, PhD</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Reigniting Therapy
An interview with Dr. Daryl Chow regarding how to do effective therapy. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Chow about the ways in which therapists can improve clinically – looking at the relationship, the expectations of clients, and what we each uniquely bring to the room. We also discuss deliberate practice, lifelong learning, and the difference between confidence and competence.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Daryl Chow, MA, PhD (Psych)
Daryl Chow, MA, PhD (Psych) is a practicing psychologist and trainer. He is a senior associate of the International Center for Clinical Excellence (ICCE). He devotes his time to workshops, consultations and researches the development of expertise and highly effective psychotherapists, helping practitioners to achieve better results.
Daryl is the author of The First Kiss: Undoing the Intake Model and Igniting First Sessions in Psychotherapy. His work has also appeared in edited books, peer-reviewed journal articles, and he is a co-editor of The Write to Recovery: Personal Stories &amp; Lessons about Recovery from Mental Health Concerns.
Daryl’s blog, Frontiers of Psychotherapist Development is aimed at inspiring and sustaining practitioners’ individualized professional development. His highly personalized in-depth online course for supervisors, Reigniting Clinical Supervision, serves as a leading light to help raise the bar of effectiveness in psychotherapy.
Currently, Daryl maintains a private practice with a vibrant team at Henry Street Centre, Fremantle, and continues to serve as a senior psychologist at the Institute of Mental Health, Singapore.
In this episode we talk about:

Chow describing himself as a slow learner

The value of deep learning

The problems with therapist education

Banking versus kindling model of education

Learning conversation versus theory

The importance of practical learning

How we get in the way as therapists

How to manage first sessions (what you are gifting, versus what you are taking)

Undoing the intake perspective

We are not in the business of fast food

Trajectory of change, continuity of services

20-30% of people come only for one session

“Sufficing” our information rather than deep probing

“Information is not transformation” – Dr. Daryl Chow

First principles and the hero’s journey

Evidence-based therapy versus developing good therapists

Deliberate practice as a verb

“It is so much easier to buy tools than to get good”

What is NOT deliberate practice

“Confidence is not competence”

We get worse as therapists over time if we don’t practice deliberately

The importance of lifelong learning

The systemic challenges to maintaining skills and getting better

What to work on that has leverage for you – finding your own growth edges

Measuring growth versus measuring performance</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Reigniting Therapy</p><p>An interview with Dr. Daryl Chow regarding how to do effective therapy. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Chow about the ways in which therapists can improve clinically – looking at the relationship, the expectations of clients, and what we each uniquely bring to the room. We also discuss deliberate practice, lifelong learning, and the difference between confidence and competence.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Daryl Chow, MA, PhD (Psych)</p><p>Daryl Chow, MA, PhD (Psych) is a practicing psychologist and trainer. He is a senior associate of the International Center for Clinical Excellence (ICCE). He devotes his time to workshops, consultations and researches the development of expertise and highly effective psychotherapists, helping practitioners to achieve better results.</p><p>Daryl is the author of <a href="https://amzn.to/2VHXcwB"><em>The First Kiss: Undoing the Intake Model</em></a> and <em>Igniting First Sessions in Psychotherapy</em>. His work has also appeared in edited books, peer-reviewed journal articles, and he is a co-editor of <a href="https://darylchow.com/fullcircles/book-on-recovery/"><em>The Write to Recovery: Personal Stories &amp; Lessons about Recovery from Mental Health Concerns</em></a>.</p><p>Daryl’s blog, <a href="http://darylchow.com/Daryl_Chow/Blog/wordpress/">Frontiers of Psychotherapist Development</a> is aimed at inspiring and sustaining practitioners’ individualized professional development. His highly personalized in-depth online course for supervisors, <a href="https://darylchow.com/courses/">Reigniting Clinical Supervision</a>, serves as a leading light to help raise the bar of effectiveness in psychotherapy.</p><p>Currently, Daryl maintains a private practice with a vibrant team at Henry Street Centre, Fremantle, and continues to serve as a senior psychologist at the Institute of Mental Health, Singapore.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Chow describing himself as a slow learner</li>
<li>The value of deep learning</li>
<li>The problems with therapist education</li>
<li>Banking versus kindling model of education</li>
<li>Learning conversation versus theory</li>
<li>The importance of practical learning</li>
<li>How we get in the way as therapists</li>
<li>How to manage first sessions (what you are gifting, versus what you are taking)</li>
<li>Undoing the intake perspective</li>
<li>We are not in the business of fast food</li>
<li>Trajectory of change, continuity of services</li>
<li>20-30% of people come only for one session</li>
<li>“Sufficing” our information rather than deep probing</li>
<li>“Information is not transformation” – Dr. Daryl Chow</li>
<li>First principles and the hero’s journey</li>
<li>Evidence-based therapy versus developing good therapists</li>
<li>Deliberate practice as a verb</li>
<li>“It is so much easier to buy tools than to get good”</li>
<li>What is NOT deliberate practice</li>
<li>“Confidence is not competence”</li>
<li>We get worse as therapists over time if we don’t practice deliberately</li>
<li>The importance of lifelong learning</li>
<li>The systemic challenges to maintaining skills and getting better</li>
<li>What to work on that has leverage for you – finding your own growth edges</li>
<li>Measuring growth versus measuring performance</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Mission Driven Work</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/mission-driven-work</link>
      <description>Mission Driven Work
Curt and Katie chat about walking your talk, sticking to your mission, and being strategic in how you incorporate new initiatives and perspectives into your work. We look at the tendency to take action without thinking about where you fit into the conversation and without tying those actions back to your mission and why you do what you do.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The importance of focusing on your mission when making decisions in your business

Looking at why you do what you do

Implementing your mission within your business

Practical applications and systems to support new initiatives aligned with mission-driven work

Times when following your personal mission may be hard to do as a therapist

The importance of staying true to yourself and aligned with your mission and expertise

The difference between branding, marketing, and mission

What are you putting out into the world?

The danger of putting out something quickly in response to the zeitgeist versus aligning with your mission and your expertise

What is a mission and how do you develop one?

Getting strategic in how you incorporate new information into mission-driven work

The need for thinking and analysis before taking action

Sitting with discomfort and avoiding reacting too quickly

Intentional pathway guided by thought and strategy

Mission is not just a goal, it is how you work, who you want to work with, how you want to work, the guiding principles, how you make decisions

Broad, vague missions that are just “help people” or “do good things” do not support making a decision on how you respond to crises

Tying your actions to your mission will allow it to sustain momentum past the news cycle

How to incorporate antiracism into a business that is focused on addressing something else

The assessment of how you can leverage your resources to help something change

The ability to add antiracism practices internally that have a bigger impact than having an externally focused product or service

The importance to staying within your purview and yield the floor to those whose work and mission should be central

Ineffective ways to do ally work, burning out and arguing with people who will not change

Tweet Thread from Ijeoma Oluo

Our mission and how we are recommitting to each of the changes we see needed in therapy and therapist education</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Mission Driven Work</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie chat about the tendency to take action without thinking about where you fit into the conversation</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Mission Driven Work
Curt and Katie chat about walking your talk, sticking to your mission, and being strategic in how you incorporate new initiatives and perspectives into your work. We look at the tendency to take action without thinking about where you fit into the conversation and without tying those actions back to your mission and why you do what you do.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The importance of focusing on your mission when making decisions in your business

Looking at why you do what you do

Implementing your mission within your business

Practical applications and systems to support new initiatives aligned with mission-driven work

Times when following your personal mission may be hard to do as a therapist

The importance of staying true to yourself and aligned with your mission and expertise

The difference between branding, marketing, and mission

What are you putting out into the world?

The danger of putting out something quickly in response to the zeitgeist versus aligning with your mission and your expertise

What is a mission and how do you develop one?

Getting strategic in how you incorporate new information into mission-driven work

The need for thinking and analysis before taking action

Sitting with discomfort and avoiding reacting too quickly

Intentional pathway guided by thought and strategy

Mission is not just a goal, it is how you work, who you want to work with, how you want to work, the guiding principles, how you make decisions

Broad, vague missions that are just “help people” or “do good things” do not support making a decision on how you respond to crises

Tying your actions to your mission will allow it to sustain momentum past the news cycle

How to incorporate antiracism into a business that is focused on addressing something else

The assessment of how you can leverage your resources to help something change

The ability to add antiracism practices internally that have a bigger impact than having an externally focused product or service

The importance to staying within your purview and yield the floor to those whose work and mission should be central

Ineffective ways to do ally work, burning out and arguing with people who will not change

Tweet Thread from Ijeoma Oluo

Our mission and how we are recommitting to each of the changes we see needed in therapy and therapist education</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Mission Driven Work</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about walking your talk, sticking to your mission, and being strategic in how you incorporate new initiatives and perspectives into your work. We look at the tendency to take action without thinking about where you fit into the conversation and without tying those actions back to your mission and why you do what you do.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The importance of focusing on your mission when making decisions in your business</li>
<li>Looking at why you do what you do</li>
<li>Implementing your mission within your business</li>
<li>Practical applications and systems to support new initiatives aligned with mission-driven work</li>
<li>Times when following your personal mission may be hard to do as a therapist</li>
<li>The importance of staying true to yourself and aligned with your mission and expertise</li>
<li>The difference between branding, marketing, and mission</li>
<li>What are you putting out into the world?</li>
<li>The danger of putting out something quickly in response to the zeitgeist versus aligning with your mission and your expertise</li>
<li>What is a mission and how do you develop one?</li>
<li>Getting strategic in how you incorporate new information into mission-driven work</li>
<li>The need for thinking and analysis before taking action</li>
<li>Sitting with discomfort and avoiding reacting too quickly</li>
<li>Intentional pathway guided by thought and strategy</li>
<li>Mission is not just a goal, it is how you work, who you want to work with, how you want to work, the guiding principles, how you make decisions</li>
<li>Broad, vague missions that are just “help people” or “do good things” do not support making a decision on how you respond to crises</li>
<li>Tying your actions to your mission will allow it to sustain momentum past the news cycle</li>
<li>How to incorporate antiracism into a business that is focused on addressing something else</li>
<li>The assessment of how you can leverage your resources to help something change</li>
<li>The ability to add antiracism practices internally that have a bigger impact than having an externally focused product or service</li>
<li>The importance to staying within your purview and yield the floor to those whose work and mission should be central</li>
<li>Ineffective ways to do ally work, burning out and arguing with people who will not change</li>
<li>Tweet Thread from Ijeoma Oluo</li>
<li>Our mission and how we are recommitting to each of the changes we see needed in therapy and therapist education</li>
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      <title>Therapy as a Political Act</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapy-as-a-political-act</link>
      <description>Therapy as a Political Act
An interview with Dr. Travis Heath, PhD, regarding the myth that therapists can remain neutral and be considered not “political”. Curt and Katie talk with Travis about how he perceives effective therapy and how to interrogate the ways in which people interact within the systems where they live and work (and what they consider to be absolute truths). We also look at decolonizing therapy and honoring preferred, culturally relevant methods of healing. Finally, we look at being a therapist (and especially a BIPOC therapist) during this time – the ways we can support each other and the opportunities we have to impact real change with our clients.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Travis Heath, PhD
Travis Heath is an Associate Professor of Psychology at Metropolitan State University of Denver. He has worked in Los Angeles, California and is currently a licensed psychologist practicing in Denver, Colorado. The work he has been focused on includes shifting from a multicultural approach to counseling to one of cultural democracy that invites people to heal in mediums that are culturally near. Writing he has contributed to has focused on the use of rap music in narrative therapy, working with persons entangled in the criminal justice system in ways that maintain their dignity, narrative practice stories as pedagogy, a co-created questioning practice called reunion questions, and community healing strategies. He is currently co-authoring the first book on Contemporary Narrative Therapy with David Epston. His practice has been apprenticed by David Epston, substantially influenced by the work of Makungu Akinyela, and inspired by collaborators such as marcela polanco, Tom Carlson, Sasha Pilkington, and Kay Ingamells. He has been fortunate enough to run workshops and speak about his work in Australia, Canada, Denmark, Hong Kong, India, New Zealand, Norway, United Kingdom, and United States.
In this episode we talk about:

Travis’s personal history and its relevance to the current conversation

Therapy as a political act

How neutrality fits into the idea of politics-free therapy – “Neutrality is a political position”

Narrative therapy’s role in anti-racism

Interrogating systems at play in clients’ decision-making

Challenging assumptions and “absolute truths”

How therapists are impacted by the stories and perspectives of their clients

How to manage clients who have held positions that are threatening to you as an individual

The systems perspective on how people behave and how systems shape their beliefs

The place for antiracism work within therapy

“We don’t need more social justice theories; we’ve got many of those. We need more social justice practices”

A framework to carry social justice in therapy beyond the current news cycle

The problem with multicultural counseling

Decolonizing therapy – looking at how to restore culturally relevant methods of healing

The problem with CBT for non-Eurocentric clients

Preferred mediums of healing and cultural democracy

The mediocracy of typical therapy prescriptions

Elevating the knowledge of the other

Expertise in asking the right questions and elevating the expertise of the other

Co-creation of tools and strategies

The liberating effect of asking your client for their inherent knowledge

Where to use your role as expert</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapy as a Political Act: An interview with Dr. Travis Heath, PhD</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Travis Heath, PhD</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Therapy as a Political Act
An interview with Dr. Travis Heath, PhD, regarding the myth that therapists can remain neutral and be considered not “political”. Curt and Katie talk with Travis about how he perceives effective therapy and how to interrogate the ways in which people interact within the systems where they live and work (and what they consider to be absolute truths). We also look at decolonizing therapy and honoring preferred, culturally relevant methods of healing. Finally, we look at being a therapist (and especially a BIPOC therapist) during this time – the ways we can support each other and the opportunities we have to impact real change with our clients.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Travis Heath, PhD
Travis Heath is an Associate Professor of Psychology at Metropolitan State University of Denver. He has worked in Los Angeles, California and is currently a licensed psychologist practicing in Denver, Colorado. The work he has been focused on includes shifting from a multicultural approach to counseling to one of cultural democracy that invites people to heal in mediums that are culturally near. Writing he has contributed to has focused on the use of rap music in narrative therapy, working with persons entangled in the criminal justice system in ways that maintain their dignity, narrative practice stories as pedagogy, a co-created questioning practice called reunion questions, and community healing strategies. He is currently co-authoring the first book on Contemporary Narrative Therapy with David Epston. His practice has been apprenticed by David Epston, substantially influenced by the work of Makungu Akinyela, and inspired by collaborators such as marcela polanco, Tom Carlson, Sasha Pilkington, and Kay Ingamells. He has been fortunate enough to run workshops and speak about his work in Australia, Canada, Denmark, Hong Kong, India, New Zealand, Norway, United Kingdom, and United States.
In this episode we talk about:

Travis’s personal history and its relevance to the current conversation

Therapy as a political act

How neutrality fits into the idea of politics-free therapy – “Neutrality is a political position”

Narrative therapy’s role in anti-racism

Interrogating systems at play in clients’ decision-making

Challenging assumptions and “absolute truths”

How therapists are impacted by the stories and perspectives of their clients

How to manage clients who have held positions that are threatening to you as an individual

The systems perspective on how people behave and how systems shape their beliefs

The place for antiracism work within therapy

“We don’t need more social justice theories; we’ve got many of those. We need more social justice practices”

A framework to carry social justice in therapy beyond the current news cycle

The problem with multicultural counseling

Decolonizing therapy – looking at how to restore culturally relevant methods of healing

The problem with CBT for non-Eurocentric clients

Preferred mediums of healing and cultural democracy

The mediocracy of typical therapy prescriptions

Elevating the knowledge of the other

Expertise in asking the right questions and elevating the expertise of the other

Co-creation of tools and strategies

The liberating effect of asking your client for their inherent knowledge

Where to use your role as expert</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Therapy as a Political Act</p><p>An interview with Dr. Travis Heath, PhD, regarding the myth that therapists can remain neutral and be considered not “political”. Curt and Katie talk with Travis about how he perceives effective therapy and how to interrogate the ways in which people interact within the systems where they live and work (and what they consider to be absolute truths). We also look at decolonizing therapy and honoring preferred, culturally relevant methods of healing. Finally, we look at being a therapist (and especially a BIPOC therapist) during this time – the ways we can support each other and the opportunities we have to impact real change with our clients.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Travis Heath, PhD</p><p>Travis Heath is an Associate Professor of Psychology at Metropolitan State University of Denver. He has worked in Los Angeles, California and is currently a licensed psychologist practicing in Denver, Colorado. The work he has been focused on includes shifting from a multicultural approach to counseling to one of cultural democracy that invites people to heal in mediums that are culturally near. Writing he has contributed to has focused on the use of rap music in narrative therapy, working with persons entangled in the criminal justice system in ways that maintain their dignity, narrative practice stories as pedagogy, a co-created questioning practice called reunion questions, and community healing strategies. He is currently co-authoring the first book on Contemporary Narrative Therapy with David Epston. His practice has been apprenticed by David Epston, substantially influenced by the work of Makungu Akinyela, and inspired by collaborators such as marcela polanco, Tom Carlson, Sasha Pilkington, and Kay Ingamells. He has been fortunate enough to run workshops and speak about his work in Australia, Canada, Denmark, Hong Kong, India, New Zealand, Norway, United Kingdom, and United States.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Travis’s personal history and its relevance to the current conversation</li>
<li>Therapy as a political act</li>
<li>How neutrality fits into the idea of politics-free therapy – “Neutrality is a political position”</li>
<li>Narrative therapy’s role in anti-racism</li>
<li>Interrogating systems at play in clients’ decision-making</li>
<li>Challenging assumptions and “absolute truths”</li>
<li>How therapists are impacted by the stories and perspectives of their clients</li>
<li>How to manage clients who have held positions that are threatening to you as an individual</li>
<li>The systems perspective on how people behave and how systems shape their beliefs</li>
<li>The place for antiracism work within therapy</li>
<li>“We don’t need more social justice theories; we’ve got many of those. We need more social justice practices”</li>
<li>A framework to carry social justice in therapy beyond the current news cycle</li>
<li>The problem with multicultural counseling</li>
<li>Decolonizing therapy – looking at how to restore culturally relevant methods of healing</li>
<li>The problem with CBT for non-Eurocentric clients</li>
<li>Preferred mediums of healing and cultural democracy</li>
<li>The mediocracy of typical therapy prescriptions</li>
<li>Elevating the knowledge of the other</li>
<li>Expertise in asking the right questions and elevating the expertise of the other</li>
<li>Co-creation of tools and strategies</li>
<li>The liberating effect of asking your client for their inherent knowledge</li>
<li>Where to use your role as expert</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Ally is a Verb</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/ally-is-a-verb</link>
      <description>Ally is a Verb
Curt and Katie chat about how to engage in ally work. We look at white fragility, helpful and harmful responses during times of crisis, and how to leverage privilege appropriately to work to address systemic racism and oppression. We encourage people to step beyond keyboard warriorship and focusing on ourselves to taking actions that can impact real change.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Latest incidences of systemic oppression (George Floyd, Christian Cooper) and how they have impacted the current conversations about racism, ally work, and therapy

White Fragility and how it can show up during times of crisis

How white women in distress distract

ALLY (from Kayla Reed):

A- always center the impacted

L- listen &amp; learn from those who live in the oppression

L- leverage your privilege

Y-yield the floor

The need to identify positive ways to do anti-racist, ally work

Assessing your motivation to say things publicly

The lure of taking actions that only check a box or make us feel better

Discomfort and pain that we must sit in, if we’re going to really do the work

What can actually move the needle for systemic change

Amplifying voices versus shifting the focus or stepping in front of people who need to be heard

Bullying and bystanders

Learning and researching on our own, versus requiring clinicians of color to do the emotional labor of teaching us

Myths of being an ally

Therapists who are invested in the status quo and the white washing that happens when those types of comments are erased

The importance of acknowledging history (including racism) and whiteness

The difference between “all racists are bad people” and we are in a racist system and thus are all racist

The damage done when denying the past, gaslighting communities of color

Showing up as a white therapist with a client who is in a marginalized community

The need for cultural humility and awareness of what is going on

Recognizing reality and how we cannot just “cope” hard enough to make this goes away

Crisis management when you are working with risk factors (suicidality, homicidality, abuse) and the importance to understand the additional risk calling police or other government agencies on your clients within the black community

Alternatives for managing risk, looking at community resources

The challenges of doing ally work as a therapist

The slow and arduous process of treating overtly racist clients: listening to fears and perspective</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Ally is a Verb</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie look at white fragility and how to ally with marginalized communities against systemic racism</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Ally is a Verb
Curt and Katie chat about how to engage in ally work. We look at white fragility, helpful and harmful responses during times of crisis, and how to leverage privilege appropriately to work to address systemic racism and oppression. We encourage people to step beyond keyboard warriorship and focusing on ourselves to taking actions that can impact real change.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Latest incidences of systemic oppression (George Floyd, Christian Cooper) and how they have impacted the current conversations about racism, ally work, and therapy

White Fragility and how it can show up during times of crisis

How white women in distress distract

ALLY (from Kayla Reed):

A- always center the impacted

L- listen &amp; learn from those who live in the oppression

L- leverage your privilege

Y-yield the floor

The need to identify positive ways to do anti-racist, ally work

Assessing your motivation to say things publicly

The lure of taking actions that only check a box or make us feel better

Discomfort and pain that we must sit in, if we’re going to really do the work

What can actually move the needle for systemic change

Amplifying voices versus shifting the focus or stepping in front of people who need to be heard

Bullying and bystanders

Learning and researching on our own, versus requiring clinicians of color to do the emotional labor of teaching us

Myths of being an ally

Therapists who are invested in the status quo and the white washing that happens when those types of comments are erased

The importance of acknowledging history (including racism) and whiteness

The difference between “all racists are bad people” and we are in a racist system and thus are all racist

The damage done when denying the past, gaslighting communities of color

Showing up as a white therapist with a client who is in a marginalized community

The need for cultural humility and awareness of what is going on

Recognizing reality and how we cannot just “cope” hard enough to make this goes away

Crisis management when you are working with risk factors (suicidality, homicidality, abuse) and the importance to understand the additional risk calling police or other government agencies on your clients within the black community

Alternatives for managing risk, looking at community resources

The challenges of doing ally work as a therapist

The slow and arduous process of treating overtly racist clients: listening to fears and perspective</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Ally is a Verb</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about how to engage in ally work. We look at white fragility, helpful and harmful responses during times of crisis, and how to leverage privilege appropriately to work to address systemic racism and oppression. We encourage people to step beyond keyboard warriorship and focusing on ourselves to taking actions that can impact real change.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Latest incidences of systemic oppression (George Floyd, Christian Cooper) and how they have impacted the current conversations about racism, ally work, and therapy</li>
<li>White Fragility and how it can show up during times of crisis</li>
<li>How white women in distress distract</li>
<li>ALLY (from Kayla Reed):</li>
<li>A- always center the impacted</li>
<li>L- listen &amp; learn from those who live in the oppression</li>
<li>L- leverage your privilege</li>
<li>Y-yield the floor</li>
<li>The need to identify positive ways to do anti-racist, ally work</li>
<li>Assessing your motivation to say things publicly</li>
<li>The lure of taking actions that only check a box or make us feel better</li>
<li>Discomfort and pain that we must sit in, if we’re going to really do the work</li>
<li>What can actually move the needle for systemic change</li>
<li>Amplifying voices versus shifting the focus or stepping in front of people who need to be heard</li>
<li>Bullying and bystanders</li>
<li>Learning and researching on our own, versus requiring clinicians of color to do the emotional labor of teaching us</li>
<li>Myths of being an ally</li>
<li>Therapists who are invested in the status quo and the white washing that happens when those types of comments are erased</li>
<li>The importance of acknowledging history (including racism) and whiteness</li>
<li>The difference between “all racists are bad people” and we are in a racist system and thus are all racist</li>
<li>The damage done when denying the past, gaslighting communities of color</li>
<li>Showing up as a white therapist with a client who is in a marginalized community</li>
<li>The need for cultural humility and awareness of what is going on</li>
<li>Recognizing reality and how we cannot just “cope” hard enough to make this goes away</li>
<li>Crisis management when you are working with risk factors (suicidality, homicidality, abuse) and the importance to understand the additional risk calling police or other government agencies on your clients within the black community</li>
<li>Alternatives for managing risk, looking at community resources</li>
<li>The challenges of doing ally work as a therapist</li>
<li>The slow and arduous process of treating overtly racist clients: listening to fears and perspective</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Authentic Side Hustles</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/authentic-side-hustels</link>
      <description>Authentic Side Hustles
An interview with Annie Schuessler about when and how to consider adding a business outside the therapy room. Curt and Katie explore with Annie about how someone can actually succeed in developing a side hustle, looking at the characteristics of successful entrepreneurs and effective products and services.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Annie Schuessler, MFT, Rebel Therapist
Annie Schuessler is a business coach and the host of the podcast Rebel Therapist® where she shares stories of people creating unique and innovative businesses. She’s been a therapist in private practice for 20 years, and a business coach for over 10 years. Her mission is to help people trained as therapists create and launch exceptional programs beyond the therapy room. She lives in San Francisco with her wife and two children. When she’s not recording a podcast or working with her clients, you can find her trying to convince her family to play Catan with her. You can find her resources at rebeltherapist.me.
In this episode we talk about:

The mistakes therapists make in developing their side hustles

Why it doesn’t make sense to go for passive income right away

The importance of creativity and passion for the impact you want to have

The role burnout should (or should not) play in what you decide to do

Characteristics of successful entrepreneurs

Why you need grit and perseverance

The problem with cookie cutter programs or programs from people one step ahead of you

Where to focus and how to initially develop your offering

The need for identifying what you have to offer and how to develop authority

Owning your experience and standing out

Selling a process versus expert information

The challenges of marketing and some ideas about how to address these challenges

Authentic relational approach for therapists turned coaches

The considerations for starting another business now during the COVID pandemic and the global economic crisis

Why fluff won’t sell, especially now

Creation of free resources to provide value to your community

The risk of repurposing others’ work for your own

The need to articulate your unique viewpoint, understand your mission and purpose

The fear of being bold and standing out

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Rebel Therapist
Rebel Therapist Podcast
Relevant Episodes:
Creating Opportunities
Clinical Marketing
Beyond Selling the Couch
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Authentic Side Hustles: Interview with Rebel Therapist Annie Schuessler</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Annie Schuessler, Rebel Therapist</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Authentic Side Hustles
An interview with Annie Schuessler about when and how to consider adding a business outside the therapy room. Curt and Katie explore with Annie about how someone can actually succeed in developing a side hustle, looking at the characteristics of successful entrepreneurs and effective products and services.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Annie Schuessler, MFT, Rebel Therapist
Annie Schuessler is a business coach and the host of the podcast Rebel Therapist® where she shares stories of people creating unique and innovative businesses. She’s been a therapist in private practice for 20 years, and a business coach for over 10 years. Her mission is to help people trained as therapists create and launch exceptional programs beyond the therapy room. She lives in San Francisco with her wife and two children. When she’s not recording a podcast or working with her clients, you can find her trying to convince her family to play Catan with her. You can find her resources at rebeltherapist.me.
In this episode we talk about:

The mistakes therapists make in developing their side hustles

Why it doesn’t make sense to go for passive income right away

The importance of creativity and passion for the impact you want to have

The role burnout should (or should not) play in what you decide to do

Characteristics of successful entrepreneurs

Why you need grit and perseverance

The problem with cookie cutter programs or programs from people one step ahead of you

Where to focus and how to initially develop your offering

The need for identifying what you have to offer and how to develop authority

Owning your experience and standing out

Selling a process versus expert information

The challenges of marketing and some ideas about how to address these challenges

Authentic relational approach for therapists turned coaches

The considerations for starting another business now during the COVID pandemic and the global economic crisis

Why fluff won’t sell, especially now

Creation of free resources to provide value to your community

The risk of repurposing others’ work for your own

The need to articulate your unique viewpoint, understand your mission and purpose

The fear of being bold and standing out

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Rebel Therapist
Rebel Therapist Podcast
Relevant Episodes:
Creating Opportunities
Clinical Marketing
Beyond Selling the Couch
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Authentic Side Hustles</p><p>An interview with Annie Schuessler about when and how to consider adding a business outside the therapy room. Curt and Katie explore with Annie about how someone can actually succeed in developing a side hustle, looking at the characteristics of successful entrepreneurs and effective products and services.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Annie Schuessler, MFT, Rebel Therapist</p><p>Annie Schuessler is a business coach and the host of the podcast Rebel Therapist® where she shares stories of people creating unique and innovative businesses. She’s been a therapist in private practice for 20 years, and a business coach for over 10 years. Her mission is to help people trained as therapists create and launch exceptional programs beyond the therapy room. She lives in San Francisco with her wife and two children. When she’s not recording a podcast or working with her clients, you can find her trying to convince her family to play Catan with her. You can find her resources at <a href="http://rebeltherapist.me/">rebeltherapist.me</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The mistakes therapists make in developing their side hustles</li>
<li>Why it doesn’t make sense to go for passive income right away</li>
<li>The importance of creativity and passion for the impact you want to have</li>
<li>The role burnout should (or should not) play in what you decide to do</li>
<li>Characteristics of successful entrepreneurs</li>
<li>Why you need grit and perseverance</li>
<li>The problem with cookie cutter programs or programs from people one step ahead of you</li>
<li>Where to focus and how to initially develop your offering</li>
<li>The need for identifying what you have to offer and how to develop authority</li>
<li>Owning your experience and standing out</li>
<li>Selling a process versus expert information</li>
<li>The challenges of marketing and some ideas about how to address these challenges</li>
<li>Authentic relational approach for therapists turned coaches</li>
<li>The considerations for starting another business now during the COVID pandemic and the global economic crisis</li>
<li>Why fluff won’t sell, especially now</li>
<li>Creation of free resources to provide value to your community</li>
<li>The risk of repurposing others’ work for your own</li>
<li>The need to articulate your unique viewpoint, understand your mission and purpose</li>
<li>The fear of being bold and standing out</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://rebeltherapist.me/">Rebel Therapist</a></p><p><a href="https://rebeltherapist.me/podcast-grid">Rebel Therapist Podcast</a></p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/creating-opportunities/">Creating Opportunities</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/clinical-marketing/">Clinical Marketing</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/beyond-selling-the-couch/">Beyond Selling the Couch</a></p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences</a></p><p> Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Shared Traumatic Experiences</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/shared-traumatic-experiences</link>
      <description>Shared Traumatic Experiences
Curt and Katie chat about the potential that clients will take care of us because we’re all going through the global pandemic. We look at the humanization and boundary shifts that can happen. We also talk about how to handle the nuance of the changes in the therapeutic relationship to help sustain stronger clinical efficacy.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How clients may become more aware of their therapist’s own challenges due to the pandemic

Clients testing to see if we have capacity to manage what is happening AND their issues as well

The reality of the additional disclosure that is happening with telehealth

How we’re managing the conversations about the human experience, the unique situations we’re facing, and our clients’ concerns

The disinhibition effect for both clients and therapists via telehealth

Discussions about availability and flexibility with clients

Research on Shared Traumatic Experiences

Boundary shifts that need to be discussed

How to handle the shifts in the relationship with nuance

The need for therapists to take care of themselves – more deliberately and differently than we might have done prior to the pandemic

The added stressors that are being put on therapists that our clients are likely aware of

The importance of not pathologizing our clients wanting to take care of us during this time

The positives for telehealth and some of the boundary shifts

The importance of community for therapists right now

Acknowledging that therapists who have stayed in the office require support as well

Risk factors for therapists who wear different hats and have different projects

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Article by Lori Gottlieb in the Atlantic
Article about the Disinhibition Effect
 Article: Therapeutic Intervention in a Continuous Shared Traumatic Reality: An Example from the Israeli–Palestinian Conflict
 Article: Negative consequences of helping and the length of work experience
 Article: Shared Traumatic Reality and Boundary Theory: How Mental Health Professionals Cope With the Home/Work Conflict During Continuous Security Threats
 
 
Therapy Reimagined 2020:
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Conference: Speakers!!
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors
 
Relevant Episodes:
The Brand Called You
Recession-Proofing Your Practice
Systems of Self-Care
Impaired Therapists
Trauma Informed Work Place
The Mental Load of Therapists
Vulnerability, the News, and You
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Shared Traumatic Experiences</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about clients wanting to take care of us</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Shared Traumatic Experiences
Curt and Katie chat about the potential that clients will take care of us because we’re all going through the global pandemic. We look at the humanization and boundary shifts that can happen. We also talk about how to handle the nuance of the changes in the therapeutic relationship to help sustain stronger clinical efficacy.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How clients may become more aware of their therapist’s own challenges due to the pandemic

Clients testing to see if we have capacity to manage what is happening AND their issues as well

The reality of the additional disclosure that is happening with telehealth

How we’re managing the conversations about the human experience, the unique situations we’re facing, and our clients’ concerns

The disinhibition effect for both clients and therapists via telehealth

Discussions about availability and flexibility with clients

Research on Shared Traumatic Experiences

Boundary shifts that need to be discussed

How to handle the shifts in the relationship with nuance

The need for therapists to take care of themselves – more deliberately and differently than we might have done prior to the pandemic

The added stressors that are being put on therapists that our clients are likely aware of

The importance of not pathologizing our clients wanting to take care of us during this time

The positives for telehealth and some of the boundary shifts

The importance of community for therapists right now

Acknowledging that therapists who have stayed in the office require support as well

Risk factors for therapists who wear different hats and have different projects

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Article by Lori Gottlieb in the Atlantic
Article about the Disinhibition Effect
 Article: Therapeutic Intervention in a Continuous Shared Traumatic Reality: An Example from the Israeli–Palestinian Conflict
 Article: Negative consequences of helping and the length of work experience
 Article: Shared Traumatic Reality and Boundary Theory: How Mental Health Professionals Cope With the Home/Work Conflict During Continuous Security Threats
 
 
Therapy Reimagined 2020:
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Conference: Speakers!!
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors
 
Relevant Episodes:
The Brand Called You
Recession-Proofing Your Practice
Systems of Self-Care
Impaired Therapists
Trauma Informed Work Place
The Mental Load of Therapists
Vulnerability, the News, and You
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
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 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Shared Traumatic Experiences</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the potential that clients will take care of us because we’re all going through the global pandemic. We look at the humanization and boundary shifts that can happen. We also talk about how to handle the nuance of the changes in the therapeutic relationship to help sustain stronger clinical efficacy.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How clients may become more aware of their therapist’s own challenges due to the pandemic</li>
<li>Clients testing to see if we have capacity to manage what is happening AND their issues as well</li>
<li>The reality of the additional disclosure that is happening with telehealth</li>
<li>How we’re managing the conversations about the human experience, the unique situations we’re facing, and our clients’ concerns</li>
<li>The disinhibition effect for both clients and therapists via telehealth</li>
<li>Discussions about availability and flexibility with clients</li>
<li>Research on Shared Traumatic Experiences</li>
<li>Boundary shifts that need to be discussed</li>
<li>How to handle the shifts in the relationship with nuance</li>
<li>The need for therapists to take care of themselves – more deliberately and differently than we might have done prior to the pandemic</li>
<li>The added stressors that are being put on therapists that our clients are likely aware of</li>
<li>The importance of not pathologizing our clients wanting to take care of us during this time</li>
<li>The positives for telehealth and some of the boundary shifts</li>
<li>The importance of community for therapists right now</li>
<li>Acknowledging that therapists who have stayed in the office require support as well</li>
<li>Risk factors for therapists who wear different hats and have different projects</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/05/should-i-reach-out-my-therapist-during-pandemic/611041/?utm_source=feed"> Article by Lori Gottlieb in the Atlantic</a></p><p><a href="https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/1094931041291295">Article about the Disinhibition Effect</a></p><p><a href="https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b53a/1f3e9c1c6ae66b9583326824f2e5c964b349.pdf"> Article: Therapeutic Intervention in a Continuous Shared Traumatic Reality: An Example from the Israeli–Palestinian Conflict</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Miroslava_Koeverova/publication/323199243_Negative_consequences_of_helping_and_the_length_of_work_experience/links/5a8d55d4a6fdccfb82d857f3/Negative-consequences-of-helping-and-the-length-of-work-experience.pdf"> Article: Negative consequences of helping and the length of work experience</a></p><p><a href="http://www.racheldekel.com/uploads/4/4/6/5/44658145/str_boundary.pdf"> Article: Shared Traumatic Reality and Boundary Theory: How Mental Health Professionals Cope With the Home/Work Conflict During Continuous Security Threats</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Therapy Reimagined 2020:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/tr-2020-speakers/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Conference: Speakers!!</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/be-a-sponsor/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-brand-called-you/">The Brand Called You</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/recession-proofing-your-practice/">Recession-Proofing Your Practice</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/structuring-self-care/">Systems of Self-Care</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/impaired-therapists/">Impaired Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/trauma-informed-work-place/">Trauma Informed Work Place</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-mental-load-of-therapists/">The Mental Load of Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/vulnerability-the-news-and-you/">Vulnerability, the News, and You</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>The Person of the Therapist</title>
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An interview with Dr. Harry Aponte about challenging the idea that therapists can be blank screens or “surgeons.” We talk with Dr. Aponte about the importance of the self of the therapist in creating the relationship and doing effective clinical work. We also look into his Person of the Therapist Training and much of his body of work supporting therapists as well as communities of color. 
Interview with Dr. Harry J. Aponte, HPhD, MSW, LCSW, LMFT
Dr. Harry J. Aponte, HPhD, MSW, LCSW, LMFT, is a family therapist known for his writings and workshops on the person of the therapist, spirituality in therapy, therapy with disadvantaged and culturally diverse families, and structural family therapy. Dr. Aponte was a staff member and teacher of family therapy at the Menninger Clinic, and subsequently Director of the Philadelphia Child Guidance Center. Currently, Dr. Aponte is clinical associate professor in the Couple &amp; Family Therapy Program of Drexel University in Philadelphia. He has a private practice in Philadelphia, and conducts training and workshops throughout the country and abroad.
Dr. Aponte published Bread &amp; Spirit through Norton, a book that speaks to therapy with today’s poor in the context of ethnicity, culture and spirituality.
Dr. Aponte and Dr. Karni Kissil have edited a book entitled The Person of the Therapist Training Model: Mastering the Use of Self, published by Routledge (2016).
In this episode we talk about:

Aponte’s story, including his work with Salvador Minuchin, Virginia Satir, Murray Bowen

Debunking the idea that therapists act as surgeons and that clients from marginalized communities “don’t talk.”

Aponte’s racial background interacting with the work that he did

The reasons he was asked so frequently asked to work with families in poverty-stricken areas

How the ideas in The Person of the Therapist came to be

Bringing mental health into communities of color

Social justice and advocacy within the therapist’s purview

Working with Jim Lester, an activist in Philadelphia, to bridge the gap between education, mental health services for kids who were truant

The ideas of structural therapy being translated into the communities

The difference of lived experience in bringing oneself into the therapeutic relationship

The Person of the Therapist training at Drexel University

How Harry’s personal experiences continue to impact his work

What is missing in most clinical training

The use of self in therapy

The importance of knowing yourself before you become a therapist

The idea that you must also know your hang ups and challenges and what you’ll be bringing into the room, so you can recognize and be “with” your clients

“Therapy is not a conversation; it is an experience.” – Dr. Harry Aponte

The vulnerability of being a therapist and the need to do work your work early in your training

The importance of doing versus reading about what should be done

Reasons that understanding yourself and bringing yourself into room provides better therapy

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Family Therapy Pioneer Salvador Minuchin on the Therapist’s Self (article in Psychotherapy Networker)
 The Person of the Therapist Training Model: Mastering the Use of Self (book)
 
Relevant Episodes:
How to BE a Therapist
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>The Person of the Therapist
An interview with Dr. Harry Aponte about challenging the idea that therapists can be blank screens or “surgeons.” We talk with Dr. Aponte about the importance of the self of the therapist in creating the relationship and doing effective clinical work. We also look into his Person of the Therapist Training and much of his body of work supporting therapists as well as communities of color. 
Interview with Dr. Harry J. Aponte, HPhD, MSW, LCSW, LMFT
Dr. Harry J. Aponte, HPhD, MSW, LCSW, LMFT, is a family therapist known for his writings and workshops on the person of the therapist, spirituality in therapy, therapy with disadvantaged and culturally diverse families, and structural family therapy. Dr. Aponte was a staff member and teacher of family therapy at the Menninger Clinic, and subsequently Director of the Philadelphia Child Guidance Center. Currently, Dr. Aponte is clinical associate professor in the Couple &amp; Family Therapy Program of Drexel University in Philadelphia. He has a private practice in Philadelphia, and conducts training and workshops throughout the country and abroad.
Dr. Aponte published Bread &amp; Spirit through Norton, a book that speaks to therapy with today’s poor in the context of ethnicity, culture and spirituality.
Dr. Aponte and Dr. Karni Kissil have edited a book entitled The Person of the Therapist Training Model: Mastering the Use of Self, published by Routledge (2016).
In this episode we talk about:

Aponte’s story, including his work with Salvador Minuchin, Virginia Satir, Murray Bowen

Debunking the idea that therapists act as surgeons and that clients from marginalized communities “don’t talk.”

Aponte’s racial background interacting with the work that he did

The reasons he was asked so frequently asked to work with families in poverty-stricken areas

How the ideas in The Person of the Therapist came to be

Bringing mental health into communities of color

Social justice and advocacy within the therapist’s purview

Working with Jim Lester, an activist in Philadelphia, to bridge the gap between education, mental health services for kids who were truant

The ideas of structural therapy being translated into the communities

The difference of lived experience in bringing oneself into the therapeutic relationship

The Person of the Therapist training at Drexel University

How Harry’s personal experiences continue to impact his work

What is missing in most clinical training

The use of self in therapy

The importance of knowing yourself before you become a therapist

The idea that you must also know your hang ups and challenges and what you’ll be bringing into the room, so you can recognize and be “with” your clients

“Therapy is not a conversation; it is an experience.” – Dr. Harry Aponte

The vulnerability of being a therapist and the need to do work your work early in your training

The importance of doing versus reading about what should be done

Reasons that understanding yourself and bringing yourself into room provides better therapy

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Family Therapy Pioneer Salvador Minuchin on the Therapist’s Self (article in Psychotherapy Networker)
 The Person of the Therapist Training Model: Mastering the Use of Self (book)
 
Relevant Episodes:
How to BE a Therapist
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Person of the Therapist</p><p>An interview with Dr. Harry Aponte about challenging the idea that therapists can be blank screens or “surgeons.” We talk with Dr. Aponte about the importance of the self of the therapist in creating the relationship and doing effective clinical work. We also look into his Person of the Therapist Training and much of his body of work supporting therapists as well as communities of color. </p><p>Interview with Dr. Harry J. Aponte, HPhD, MSW, LCSW, LMFT</p><p>Dr. Harry J. Aponte, HPhD, MSW, LCSW, LMFT, is a family therapist known for his writings and workshops on the person of the therapist, spirituality in therapy, therapy with disadvantaged and culturally diverse families, and structural family therapy. Dr. Aponte was a staff member and teacher of family therapy at the Menninger Clinic, and subsequently Director of the Philadelphia Child Guidance Center. Currently, Dr. Aponte is clinical associate professor in the Couple &amp; Family Therapy Program of Drexel University in Philadelphia. He has a private practice in Philadelphia, and conducts training and workshops throughout the country and abroad.</p><p>Dr. Aponte published <em>Bread &amp; Spirit</em> through Norton, a book that speaks to therapy with today’s poor in the context of ethnicity, culture and spirituality.</p><p>Dr. Aponte and Dr. Karni Kissil have edited a book entitled <em>The Person of the Therapist Training Model: Mastering the Use of Self</em>, published by Routledge (2016).</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Aponte’s story, including his work with Salvador Minuchin, Virginia Satir, Murray Bowen</li>
<li>Debunking the idea that therapists act as surgeons and that clients from marginalized communities “don’t talk.”</li>
<li>Aponte’s racial background interacting with the work that he did</li>
<li>The reasons he was asked so frequently asked to work with families in poverty-stricken areas</li>
<li>How the ideas in The Person of the Therapist came to be</li>
<li>Bringing mental health into communities of color</li>
<li>Social justice and advocacy within the therapist’s purview</li>
<li>Working with Jim Lester, an activist in Philadelphia, to bridge the gap between education, mental health services for kids who were truant</li>
<li>The ideas of structural therapy being translated into the communities</li>
<li>The difference of lived experience in bringing oneself into the therapeutic relationship</li>
<li>The Person of the Therapist training at Drexel University</li>
<li>How Harry’s personal experiences continue to impact his work</li>
<li>What is missing in most clinical training</li>
<li>The use of self in therapy</li>
<li>The importance of knowing yourself before you become a therapist</li>
<li>The idea that you must also know your hang ups and challenges and what you’ll be bringing into the room, so you can recognize and be “with” your clients</li>
<li>“Therapy is not a conversation; it is an experience.” – Dr. Harry Aponte</li>
<li>The vulnerability of being a therapist and the need to do work your work early in your training</li>
<li>The importance of doing versus reading about what should be done</li>
<li>Reasons that understanding yourself and bringing yourself into room provides better therapy</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.psychotherapynetworker.org/blog/details/1099/family-therapy-pioneer-salvador-minuchin-on-the-therapists"> Family Therapy Pioneer Salvador Minuchin on the Therapist’s Self (article in Psychotherapy Networker)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1138856916/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=mtsgpodcast-20&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;creativeASIN=1138856916&amp;linkId=4bea82077a0c99f3e072a4be9b0def40"> The Person of the Therapist Training Model: Mastering the Use of Self (book)</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/how-to-be-a-therapist/">How to BE a Therapist</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Returning to the Office</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/returning-to-the-office</link>
      <description>Returning to the Office
Curt and Katie chat about the considerations for reopening offices closed during shelter in place orders. We talk through the specific logistical, clinical, and legal and ethical elements of the decision-making process for those who shifted to telehealth in response to the pandemic.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The importance of therapists assessing their own needs prior to returning to in-person work

The proposed phased reopening of California

The unique elements of different practices that might impact your timing (logistics, populations treated, coordination with other clinicians in the same space, etc.)

Clinical considerations for how therapy is delivered during this time

The challenge of managing a waiting room

Ideas how to apply recommendations from the CDC or WHO to a therapy office

Systems to put into place, policies to consider (especially related to employees and wage replacement for ill workers)

How to communicate with your clients

The need to identify what boundaries you will hold and how you will address them clinically

The ability to have these conversations ahead of time, the additional time you can use to move back to the office, if you decide to

Telehealth insurance reimbursement – ideas and advocacy recommendations

Shortening the work week, using your office for as few days as possible, staggering shifts in group practices

Removing items that don’t need to be in the waiting room or any other spaces

ADA accessibility that decreases contact with door knobs

Cleaning protocols

HEPA filters – mixed feedback and things to think about

Requirements for clinicians and clients to stay home if sick, to wear a mask if entering the building

Waiving late cancel fees for illness, or strong recommendations for shifting to telehealth in those situations

Potential liability if taking temperatures of clients, other ideas, etc.

Physical distancing, keeping telehealth going when possible, contactless sessions

Tracing contacts – the ability (or mandate) to disclose who has come to your office

Updating your office policies and consents

Strategically planning for reopening an office

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 The Phases for Reopening California
 CDC Resource Page
 Recommendations from CDC
 CDC Guidance on Cleaning and Disinfecting
 Recommendations from WHO
Recommendations from OSHA
 
Therapy Reimagined 2020:
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Conference: Speakers!!
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors
 
Relevant Episodes:
The Viral Episode
Confidential Communications
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>Returning to the Office
Curt and Katie chat about the considerations for reopening offices closed during shelter in place orders. We talk through the specific logistical, clinical, and legal and ethical elements of the decision-making process for those who shifted to telehealth in response to the pandemic.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The importance of therapists assessing their own needs prior to returning to in-person work

The proposed phased reopening of California

The unique elements of different practices that might impact your timing (logistics, populations treated, coordination with other clinicians in the same space, etc.)

Clinical considerations for how therapy is delivered during this time

The challenge of managing a waiting room

Ideas how to apply recommendations from the CDC or WHO to a therapy office

Systems to put into place, policies to consider (especially related to employees and wage replacement for ill workers)

How to communicate with your clients

The need to identify what boundaries you will hold and how you will address them clinically

The ability to have these conversations ahead of time, the additional time you can use to move back to the office, if you decide to

Telehealth insurance reimbursement – ideas and advocacy recommendations

Shortening the work week, using your office for as few days as possible, staggering shifts in group practices

Removing items that don’t need to be in the waiting room or any other spaces

ADA accessibility that decreases contact with door knobs

Cleaning protocols

HEPA filters – mixed feedback and things to think about

Requirements for clinicians and clients to stay home if sick, to wear a mask if entering the building

Waiving late cancel fees for illness, or strong recommendations for shifting to telehealth in those situations

Potential liability if taking temperatures of clients, other ideas, etc.

Physical distancing, keeping telehealth going when possible, contactless sessions

Tracing contacts – the ability (or mandate) to disclose who has come to your office

Updating your office policies and consents

Strategically planning for reopening an office

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 The Phases for Reopening California
 CDC Resource Page
 Recommendations from CDC
 CDC Guidance on Cleaning and Disinfecting
 Recommendations from WHO
Recommendations from OSHA
 
Therapy Reimagined 2020:
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Conference: Speakers!!
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors
 
Relevant Episodes:
The Viral Episode
Confidential Communications
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Returning to the Office</p><p>Curt and Katie chat about the considerations for reopening offices closed during shelter in place orders. We talk through the specific logistical, clinical, and legal and ethical elements of the decision-making process for those who shifted to telehealth in response to the pandemic.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The importance of therapists assessing their own needs prior to returning to in-person work</li>
<li>The proposed phased reopening of California</li>
<li>The unique elements of different practices that might impact your timing (logistics, populations treated, coordination with other clinicians in the same space, etc.)</li>
<li>Clinical considerations for how therapy is delivered during this time</li>
<li>The challenge of managing a waiting room</li>
<li>Ideas how to apply recommendations from the CDC or WHO to a therapy office</li>
<li>Systems to put into place, policies to consider (especially related to employees and wage replacement for ill workers)</li>
<li>How to communicate with your clients</li>
<li>The need to identify what boundaries you will hold and how you will address them clinically</li>
<li>The ability to have these conversations ahead of time, the additional time you can use to move back to the office, if you decide to</li>
<li>Telehealth insurance reimbursement – ideas and advocacy recommendations</li>
<li>Shortening the work week, using your office for as few days as possible, staggering shifts in group practices</li>
<li>Removing items that don’t need to be in the waiting room or any other spaces</li>
<li>ADA accessibility that decreases contact with door knobs</li>
<li>Cleaning protocols</li>
<li>HEPA filters – mixed feedback and things to think about</li>
<li>Requirements for clinicians and clients to stay home if sick, to wear a mask if entering the building</li>
<li>Waiving late cancel fees for illness, or strong recommendations for shifting to telehealth in those situations</li>
<li>Potential liability if taking temperatures of clients, other ideas, etc.</li>
<li>Physical distancing, keeping telehealth going when possible, contactless sessions</li>
<li>Tracing contacts – the ability (or mandate) to disclose who has come to your office</li>
<li>Updating your office policies and consents</li>
<li>Strategically planning for reopening an office</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Update-on-California-Pandemic-Roadmap.pdf"> The Phases for Reopening California</a></p><p><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/organizations/businesses-employers.html"> CDC Resource Page</a></p><p><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/reopen-guidance.html"> Recommendations from CDC</a></p><p><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/pdf/ReOpening_America_Cleaning_Disinfection_Decision_Tool.pdf"> CDC Guidance on Cleaning and Disinfecting</a></p><p><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/guidance-business-response.html"> Recommendations from WHO</a></p><p><a href="https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3990.pdf">Recommendations from OSHA</a></p><p> </p><p>Therapy Reimagined 2020:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/tr-2020-speakers/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Conference: Speakers!!</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/be-a-sponsor/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-viral-episode/">The Viral Episode</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/confidential-communications/">Confidential Communications</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Gaslighting Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/gaslighting-therapists</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the concern that therapists will be gaslit as therapist workforce takes on the next epidemic – the mental health pandemic. We discuss how mental health workers are seen as essential, but are not paid or are underpaid. We dig into the dangerous “Hero Narrative” and its specific impacts on the health and livelihood. We also provide some calls to action to move our profession in the right direction, especially during these times.             
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The concern that mental health workers are seen as essential, but are often not paid

The stagnation of wages already present in our profession

The opportunity to stand up and improve our profession

The call for volunteers that has already started

The challenge of considering volunteerism relative to the needs of your clients and your family

The other opportunities to give back and serve clients for free and increase access to mental health services

The public demonization of therapists pushing back on requests to provide free mental health services

The danger of the Hero Narrative

The specific impact of the feminization of caring and helping professions

The fallacy of “getting paid” in supervised hours

How this work is like jumping on a grenade for the greater good (and you can only jump on one grenade)

Ways to pull out the idea that “Sacrificing” yourself is necessary or even acceptable as a therapist – looking at ourselves as the instruments of change requiring us to protect ourselves

Call to Action – the need to stand up for self-protection, refrain from taking unpaid positions, positions without proper protections, and from taking supervisory positions that support these types of organizations

Call to Action – Contacting legislators to support only legislation that provides protections for the therapists, demand language that only provides funding to agencies that already pay their workers

Call to Action – Pressure professional organizations to support and write these types of bills

The importance of asking for a living wage for mental health workers

How to give back and volunteer responsibly and thoughtfully</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Gaslighting Therapists</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how to navigate as mental health professionals in the next epidemic - mental health</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the concern that therapists will be gaslit as therapist workforce takes on the next epidemic – the mental health pandemic. We discuss how mental health workers are seen as essential, but are not paid or are underpaid. We dig into the dangerous “Hero Narrative” and its specific impacts on the health and livelihood. We also provide some calls to action to move our profession in the right direction, especially during these times.             
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The concern that mental health workers are seen as essential, but are often not paid

The stagnation of wages already present in our profession

The opportunity to stand up and improve our profession

The call for volunteers that has already started

The challenge of considering volunteerism relative to the needs of your clients and your family

The other opportunities to give back and serve clients for free and increase access to mental health services

The public demonization of therapists pushing back on requests to provide free mental health services

The danger of the Hero Narrative

The specific impact of the feminization of caring and helping professions

The fallacy of “getting paid” in supervised hours

How this work is like jumping on a grenade for the greater good (and you can only jump on one grenade)

Ways to pull out the idea that “Sacrificing” yourself is necessary or even acceptable as a therapist – looking at ourselves as the instruments of change requiring us to protect ourselves

Call to Action – the need to stand up for self-protection, refrain from taking unpaid positions, positions without proper protections, and from taking supervisory positions that support these types of organizations

Call to Action – Contacting legislators to support only legislation that provides protections for the therapists, demand language that only provides funding to agencies that already pay their workers

Call to Action – Pressure professional organizations to support and write these types of bills

The importance of asking for a living wage for mental health workers

How to give back and volunteer responsibly and thoughtfully</itunes:summary>
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<li>The stagnation of wages already present in our profession</li>
<li>The opportunity to stand up and improve our profession</li>
<li>The call for volunteers that has already started</li>
<li>The challenge of considering volunteerism relative to the needs of your clients and your family</li>
<li>The other opportunities to give back and serve clients for free and increase access to mental health services</li>
<li>The public demonization of therapists pushing back on requests to provide free mental health services</li>
<li>The danger of the Hero Narrative</li>
<li>The specific impact of the feminization of caring and helping professions</li>
<li>The fallacy of “getting paid” in supervised hours</li>
<li>How this work is like jumping on a grenade for the greater good (and you can only jump on one grenade)</li>
<li>Ways to pull out the idea that “Sacrificing” yourself is necessary or even acceptable as a therapist – looking at ourselves as the instruments of change requiring us to protect ourselves</li>
<li>Call to Action – the need to stand up for self-protection, refrain from taking unpaid positions, positions without proper protections, and from taking supervisory positions that support these types of organizations</li>
<li>Call to Action – Contacting legislators to support only legislation that provides protections for the therapists, demand language that only provides funding to agencies that already pay their workers</li>
<li>Call to Action – Pressure professional organizations to support and write these types of bills</li>
<li>The importance of asking for a living wage for mental health workers</li>
<li>How to give back and volunteer responsibly and thoughtfully</li>
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      <title>Confidential Communications</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/confidential-communications-0</link>
      <description>An interview with Jarred Bolen, Technical Account Manager at Hushmail, about how to appropriately comply with HIPAA in how you communicate with your clients. Curt and Katie talk with Jarrod about encryption, security considerations, and how (and why) to create a HIPAA compliant office, even now.
Interview with Jarred Bolen, Technical Account Manager, Hushmail
Jarred Bolen joined Hushmail in 2016 with over five years of support experience for software and telecommunications companies and a longtime interest in internet security. Starting in Customer Care, he moved to the Sales team as a Technical Account Manager in 2019, and now helps new Hushmail customers connect with their clients and colleagues.
In this episode we talk about:

How to use email (even your normal email) in a HIPAA compliant manner

The benefits of encryption, what it is, and types of encryption available

Going beyond what is required to address the ethics of keeping your client’s information safe

Who is required to be HIPAA compliant, e.g., covered entities

The argument against the complaint that it is an inconvenience to clients to remain compliant

The consideration related what is (or is not) Protected Health Information (PHI)

How to create a HIPAA-compliant office

The importance of documentation of your processes

Potential legislation asking for back doors into encrypted services – concerns and potential risks

Staying up-to-date with updates within the tech sector

Setting yourself up for success from the beginning (even if you start this type of secure communication during the global pandemic)

What is included in Hushmail service, how Hushmail has evolved from the beginning

Our Generous Sponsor: Therapy Reimagined
So…you’re wondering how to make it through this. Worried about finances, what’s next, how to keep doing your best therapy, continued adjusting to telehealth, etc. Now, more than ever, it may be worth it to invest in your clinical and business decisions to improve your practice. We recognize that getting help is better than going at it alone.
During overwhelming or uncertain times (like these) it can be especially helpful to seek supervision or consultation. When you can’t get out of your own panic or concrete thinking, we’d like to be your thinking partner. But we know that money is uncertain, so we’re offering our 50-minute-hour at half price. That’s right - a consultation with Curt or Katie (while we’re stuck in quarantine) for only $100.

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Special offer from Hushmail: Hushmail is a secure email, web form, and e-signature service that lets you send and receive private, encrypted emails, attachments, and web forms to and from anyone, even people who don't use Hushmail. With easy-to-use webmail, a secure message center, drag-and-drop form builder, and iPhone app, there's no complicated installation. Just sign up and start sending securely. Our Healthcare plans come configured for HIPAA compliance, and our legally binding e-signatures comply with ESIGN and UETA.
New Hushmail for Healthcare customers who sign up through Therapy Reimagined receive a 10 percent lifetime discount!
 
 HHS Risk Assessment
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Confidential Communications: An Interview with Jarred </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Jarred Bolen, Technical Account Manager at Hushmail</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Jarred Bolen, Technical Account Manager at Hushmail, about how to appropriately comply with HIPAA in how you communicate with your clients. Curt and Katie talk with Jarrod about encryption, security considerations, and how (and why) to create a HIPAA compliant office, even now.
Interview with Jarred Bolen, Technical Account Manager, Hushmail
Jarred Bolen joined Hushmail in 2016 with over five years of support experience for software and telecommunications companies and a longtime interest in internet security. Starting in Customer Care, he moved to the Sales team as a Technical Account Manager in 2019, and now helps new Hushmail customers connect with their clients and colleagues.
In this episode we talk about:

How to use email (even your normal email) in a HIPAA compliant manner

The benefits of encryption, what it is, and types of encryption available

Going beyond what is required to address the ethics of keeping your client’s information safe

Who is required to be HIPAA compliant, e.g., covered entities

The argument against the complaint that it is an inconvenience to clients to remain compliant

The consideration related what is (or is not) Protected Health Information (PHI)

How to create a HIPAA-compliant office

The importance of documentation of your processes

Potential legislation asking for back doors into encrypted services – concerns and potential risks

Staying up-to-date with updates within the tech sector

Setting yourself up for success from the beginning (even if you start this type of secure communication during the global pandemic)

What is included in Hushmail service, how Hushmail has evolved from the beginning

Our Generous Sponsor: Therapy Reimagined
So…you’re wondering how to make it through this. Worried about finances, what’s next, how to keep doing your best therapy, continued adjusting to telehealth, etc. Now, more than ever, it may be worth it to invest in your clinical and business decisions to improve your practice. We recognize that getting help is better than going at it alone.
During overwhelming or uncertain times (like these) it can be especially helpful to seek supervision or consultation. When you can’t get out of your own panic or concrete thinking, we’d like to be your thinking partner. But we know that money is uncertain, so we’re offering our 50-minute-hour at half price. That’s right - a consultation with Curt or Katie (while we’re stuck in quarantine) for only $100.

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
Special offer from Hushmail: Hushmail is a secure email, web form, and e-signature service that lets you send and receive private, encrypted emails, attachments, and web forms to and from anyone, even people who don't use Hushmail. With easy-to-use webmail, a secure message center, drag-and-drop form builder, and iPhone app, there's no complicated installation. Just sign up and start sending securely. Our Healthcare plans come configured for HIPAA compliance, and our legally binding e-signatures comply with ESIGN and UETA.
New Hushmail for Healthcare customers who sign up through Therapy Reimagined receive a 10 percent lifetime discount!
 
 HHS Risk Assessment
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Jarred Bolen, Technical Account Manager at Hushmail, about how to appropriately comply with HIPAA in how you communicate with your clients. Curt and Katie talk with Jarrod about encryption, security considerations, and how (and why) to create a HIPAA compliant office, even now.</p><p>Interview with Jarred Bolen, Technical Account Manager, Hushmail</p><p>Jarred Bolen joined Hushmail in 2016 with over five years of support experience for software and telecommunications companies and a longtime interest in internet security. Starting in Customer Care, he moved to the Sales team as a Technical Account Manager in 2019, and now helps new Hushmail customers connect with their clients and colleagues.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How to use email (even your normal email) in a HIPAA compliant manner</li>
<li>The benefits of encryption, what it is, and types of encryption available</li>
<li>Going beyond what is required to address the ethics of keeping your client’s information safe</li>
<li>Who is required to be HIPAA compliant, e.g., covered entities</li>
<li>The argument against the complaint that it is an inconvenience to clients to remain compliant</li>
<li>The consideration related what is (or is not) Protected Health Information (PHI)</li>
<li>How to create a HIPAA-compliant office</li>
<li>The importance of documentation of your processes</li>
<li>Potential legislation asking for back doors into encrypted services – concerns and potential risks</li>
<li>Staying up-to-date with updates within the tech sector</li>
<li>Setting yourself up for success from the beginning (even if you start this type of secure communication during the global pandemic)</li>
<li>What is included in Hushmail service, how Hushmail has evolved from the beginning</li>
</ul><p>Our Generous Sponsor: Therapy Reimagined</p><p>So…you’re wondering how to make it through this. Worried about finances, what’s next, how to keep doing your best therapy, continued adjusting to telehealth, etc. Now, more than ever, it may be worth it to invest in your clinical and business decisions to improve your practice. We recognize that getting help is better than going at it alone.</p><p>During overwhelming or uncertain times (like these) it can be especially helpful to seek supervision or consultation. When you can’t get out of your own panic or concrete thinking, we’d like to be your thinking partner. But we know that money is uncertain, so we’re offering our 50-minute-hour at half price. That’s right - a consultation with Curt or Katie (while we’re stuck in quarantine) for only $100.</p><p><br></p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="http://hushmail.com/therapyreimagined">Special offer from Hushmail:</a> Hushmail is a secure email, web form, and e-signature service that lets you send and receive private, encrypted emails, attachments, and web forms to and from anyone, even people who don't use Hushmail. With easy-to-use webmail, a secure message center, drag-and-drop form builder, and iPhone app, there's no complicated installation. Just sign up and start sending securely. Our Healthcare plans come configured for HIPAA compliance, and our legally binding e-signatures comply with ESIGN and UETA.</p><p><a href="http://hushmail.com/therapyreimagined">New Hushmail for Healthcare customers who sign up through Therapy Reimagined receive a 10 percent lifetime discount!</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/security/guidance/guidance-risk-analysis/index.html"> HHS Risk Assessment</a></p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>CAMFT Ethics Code Update</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/camft-ethics-code-update</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the updates to the Ethics Code for CAMFT that was approved in December, 2019. We talk about the new guidance on testimonials, marketing to each other’s clients, and duplication of services. We look at what we can do and what we probably still shouldn’t do.         
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT) Code of Ethics Update

Solicitation of testimonials – clarifying who you can ask for testimonials

Re-evaluating clients, looking at how they have their own agency and autonomy

Defining “undue influence,” seeking legal definition to aid the understanding what should be considered within the ethics code change

Looking at how the perceived or actual power differential impact can be considered

Even if we can, should we solicit testimonials?

Appropriate tactics for asking for testimonials

Looking at antitrust and other reasons for these changes

Why we can now compete for each other’s clients

How we can see each other’s clients

Do what makes sense and don’t be a jerk</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>CAMFT Ethics Code Update</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about interesting changes like testimonials and marketing practices</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the updates to the Ethics Code for CAMFT that was approved in December, 2019. We talk about the new guidance on testimonials, marketing to each other’s clients, and duplication of services. We look at what we can do and what we probably still shouldn’t do.         
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT) Code of Ethics Update

Solicitation of testimonials – clarifying who you can ask for testimonials

Re-evaluating clients, looking at how they have their own agency and autonomy

Defining “undue influence,” seeking legal definition to aid the understanding what should be considered within the ethics code change

Looking at how the perceived or actual power differential impact can be considered

Even if we can, should we solicit testimonials?

Appropriate tactics for asking for testimonials

Looking at antitrust and other reasons for these changes

Why we can now compete for each other’s clients

How we can see each other’s clients

Do what makes sense and don’t be a jerk</itunes:summary>
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<li>The California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT) Code of Ethics Update</li>
<li>Solicitation of testimonials – clarifying who you can ask for testimonials</li>
<li>Re-evaluating clients, looking at how they have their own agency and autonomy</li>
<li>Defining “undue influence,” seeking legal definition to aid the understanding what should be considered within the ethics code change</li>
<li>Looking at how the perceived or actual power differential impact can be considered</li>
<li>Even if we can, should we solicit testimonials?</li>
<li>Appropriate tactics for asking for testimonials</li>
<li>Looking at antitrust and other reasons for these changes</li>
<li>Why we can now compete for each other’s clients</li>
<li>How we can see each other’s clients</li>
<li>Do what makes sense and don’t be a jerk</li>
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      <title>Treating First Responders</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/treating-first-responders</link>
      <description>Episode 149: Treating First Responders
An interview with Yael Shuman, LMFT, on the unique challenges that First Responders face and treatment considerations. Curt and Katie talk with Yael about what therapists get wrong working with first responders, especially when therapists are unable to keep their stuff together when these clients disclose their traumatic experiences. We look at resources, resilience, and preparing for trauma (rather than waiting for it to occur).       
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Yael Shuman, Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist, EMDR and EA-EMDR trained
Yael Shuman, is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist with more than 25 years’ experience working with individuals, couples, and organizations. Yael is passionate about helping people to live a fulfilling life. Trauma interrupts life by creating a stuck place that is uncomfortable and distressing. Without the right knowledge and skills, you cannot move beyond the distress. With skills development in emotional stability and resiliency, people can reduce the impact of a traumatic situation and have improved coping skills to help them move forward and process the trauma from distress to fulfillment.
She maintains a private practice in Denver, Colorado. She has experience in PTSD/ trauma, and specializes with Military and Veteran and First Responders issues, and how to express the experiences through communication. Her practice includes providing EMDR for trauma treatment, supervises interns, and working with life issues including developing healthy relationships, stress management, anxiety, depression (including PPD) and divorce recovery. It is well researched that people living with trauma are likely to experience more of these life issues and, if they are left unaddressed, then further disruption in life is likely to occur. Yael has years of experience and believes it is incredibly important to assist clients with emotional stability, for them to feel safe and secure, before processing their trauma.
Prior to her work as a Marriage &amp; Family Therapist, Mrs. Shuman spent 5 years working with Los Angeles County Child Protective Services (Family Preservation Unit) and foster care. She holds a Master’s Degree in Marriage &amp; Family Therapy from California Family Study Center and a Bachelor’s Degree in Psychology from California State University Northridge. She is trained in EMDR and Equine-assisted EMDR. Additionally, she is a member of the American Association for Marriage &amp; Family Therapists, EMDRIA, and an AAMFT Approved Supervisor.
In this episode we talk about:

Unique challenges of working with First Responders and the unique culture

Training that first responders typically get (and don’t get)

The lack of training on trauma responses and developing resilience

The culture of silence related to first responders – they don’t report distress or trauma responses – you can’t take it, you’re broken

The risk of first responders who die by suicide

The impacts of lack of therapist training and experience on individual clients

The challenge of holding space for traumatic experiences of first responders

The disturbing events that first responders regularly experience

A perspective on how to interact with trauma with our clients

The importance of specific training on working with first responders</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Treating First Responders: An Interview with Yael Shuman, LMFT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Episode 149: Treating First Responders
An interview with Yael Shuman, LMFT, on the unique challenges that First Responders face and treatment considerations. Curt and Katie talk with Yael about what therapists get wrong working with first responders, especially when therapists are unable to keep their stuff together when these clients disclose their traumatic experiences. We look at resources, resilience, and preparing for trauma (rather than waiting for it to occur).       
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Yael Shuman, Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist, EMDR and EA-EMDR trained
Yael Shuman, is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist with more than 25 years’ experience working with individuals, couples, and organizations. Yael is passionate about helping people to live a fulfilling life. Trauma interrupts life by creating a stuck place that is uncomfortable and distressing. Without the right knowledge and skills, you cannot move beyond the distress. With skills development in emotional stability and resiliency, people can reduce the impact of a traumatic situation and have improved coping skills to help them move forward and process the trauma from distress to fulfillment.
She maintains a private practice in Denver, Colorado. She has experience in PTSD/ trauma, and specializes with Military and Veteran and First Responders issues, and how to express the experiences through communication. Her practice includes providing EMDR for trauma treatment, supervises interns, and working with life issues including developing healthy relationships, stress management, anxiety, depression (including PPD) and divorce recovery. It is well researched that people living with trauma are likely to experience more of these life issues and, if they are left unaddressed, then further disruption in life is likely to occur. Yael has years of experience and believes it is incredibly important to assist clients with emotional stability, for them to feel safe and secure, before processing their trauma.
Prior to her work as a Marriage &amp; Family Therapist, Mrs. Shuman spent 5 years working with Los Angeles County Child Protective Services (Family Preservation Unit) and foster care. She holds a Master’s Degree in Marriage &amp; Family Therapy from California Family Study Center and a Bachelor’s Degree in Psychology from California State University Northridge. She is trained in EMDR and Equine-assisted EMDR. Additionally, she is a member of the American Association for Marriage &amp; Family Therapists, EMDRIA, and an AAMFT Approved Supervisor.
In this episode we talk about:

Unique challenges of working with First Responders and the unique culture

Training that first responders typically get (and don’t get)

The lack of training on trauma responses and developing resilience

The culture of silence related to first responders – they don’t report distress or trauma responses – you can’t take it, you’re broken

The risk of first responders who die by suicide

The impacts of lack of therapist training and experience on individual clients

The challenge of holding space for traumatic experiences of first responders

The disturbing events that first responders regularly experience

A perspective on how to interact with trauma with our clients

The importance of specific training on working with first responders</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Episode 149: Treating First Responders</p><p>An interview with Yael Shuman, LMFT, on the unique challenges that First Responders face and treatment considerations. Curt and Katie talk with Yael about what therapists get wrong working with first responders, especially when therapists are unable to keep their stuff together when these clients disclose their traumatic experiences. We look at resources, resilience, and preparing for trauma (rather than waiting for it to occur).       </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Yael Shuman, Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist, EMDR and EA-EMDR trained</p><p>Yael Shuman, is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist with more than 25 years’ experience working with individuals, couples, and organizations. Yael is passionate about helping people to live a fulfilling life. Trauma interrupts life by creating a stuck place that is uncomfortable and distressing. Without the right knowledge and skills, you cannot move beyond the distress. With skills development in emotional stability and resiliency, people can reduce the impact of a traumatic situation and have improved coping skills to help them move forward and process the trauma from distress to fulfillment.</p><p>She maintains a private practice in Denver, Colorado. She has experience in PTSD/ trauma, and specializes with Military and Veteran and First Responders issues, and how to express the experiences through communication. Her practice includes providing EMDR for trauma treatment, supervises interns, and working with life issues including developing healthy relationships, stress management, anxiety, depression (including PPD) and divorce recovery. It is well researched that people living with trauma are likely to experience more of these life issues and, if they are left unaddressed, then further disruption in life is likely to occur. Yael has years of experience and believes it is incredibly important to assist clients with emotional stability, for them to feel safe and secure, before processing their trauma.</p><p>Prior to her work as a Marriage &amp; Family Therapist, Mrs. Shuman spent 5 years working with Los Angeles County Child Protective Services (Family Preservation Unit) and foster care. She holds a Master’s Degree in Marriage &amp; Family Therapy from California Family Study Center and a Bachelor’s Degree in Psychology from California State University Northridge. She is trained in EMDR and Equine-assisted EMDR. Additionally, she is a member of the American Association for Marriage &amp; Family Therapists, EMDRIA, and an AAMFT Approved Supervisor.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Unique challenges of working with First Responders and the unique culture</li>
<li>Training that first responders typically get (and don’t get)</li>
<li>The lack of training on trauma responses and developing resilience</li>
<li>The culture of silence related to first responders – they don’t report distress or trauma responses – you can’t take it, you’re broken</li>
<li>The risk of first responders who die by suicide</li>
<li>The impacts of lack of therapist training and experience on individual clients</li>
<li>The challenge of holding space for traumatic experiences of first responders</li>
<li>The disturbing events that first responders regularly experience</li>
<li>A perspective on how to interact with trauma with our clients</li>
<li>The importance of specific training on working with first responders</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>COVID-19 Legal and Ethical Updates</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/covid-19-legal-and-ethical-updates</link>
      <description>An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell about the rapidly changing directives during the COVID-19 pandemic. Curt and Katie interview Ben about telehealth, HIPAA, and all of the efforts of continuity of care during quarantine, shelter-in-place orders. We look at legal, ethical, and clinical responsibilities during these uncertain times.        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD, LMFT
Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#42723) and the Education and Director for SimplePractice Learning. He currently serves as adjunct faculty for California Statue University Northridge in Los Angeles. He has taught at the graduate level for more than 15 years, primarily in Law and Ethics, and has written and trained extensively on ethical applications in mental health care. In addition to serving a three-year term on the AAMFT Ethics Committee, Dr. Caldwell served as the Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for AAMFT-California for 10 years. He served as Editor for the Users Guide to the 2015 AAMFT Code of Ethics and is the author for several books, including Saving Psychotherapy and Basics of California Law for LMFTS, LPCCs, and LCSWs.
In this episode we talk about:

How to identify what to do and how to respond to all the changing instructions from officials about practicing therapy during these times

The debate around telehealth versus in person treatment

The legal and ethical responsibilities therapists hold regarding continuity of care

Client opt-in and preference, fears about client abandonment

The myth that you are required to keep seeing clients no matter what

The moral aspect of choices made during treatment, especially during uncertain times like these

Clinical considerations for clients who are not appropriate for telehealth

The importance of identifying and managing all types of risks during these times

The fallacy that you can now practice across state lines without any restrictions

The possibilities for seeing clients who have returned home to other states, the reasonable argument for continuity of care

Advice for implementing telehealth quickly, including choosing a HIPAA compliant platform

The benefits of complying with telehealth training requirements

Misinformation that can confuse folks within the Facebook Therapist Groups

The challenges that licensing boards are facing related to testing and licensing delays and related laws or regulations

Professional wills – basic requirements and legal/ethical responsibilities

Connecting with clients, human to human related to illness and emergency

The growing importance of communication in this new era of health awareness

The requirements for “essential workers”</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>COVID-19 Legal and Ethical Updates: An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell about the rapidly changing directives during the COVID-19 pandemic. Curt and Katie interview Ben about telehealth, HIPAA, and all of the efforts of continuity of care during quarantine, shelter-in-place orders. We look at legal, ethical, and clinical responsibilities during these uncertain times.        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD, LMFT
Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#42723) and the Education and Director for SimplePractice Learning. He currently serves as adjunct faculty for California Statue University Northridge in Los Angeles. He has taught at the graduate level for more than 15 years, primarily in Law and Ethics, and has written and trained extensively on ethical applications in mental health care. In addition to serving a three-year term on the AAMFT Ethics Committee, Dr. Caldwell served as the Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for AAMFT-California for 10 years. He served as Editor for the Users Guide to the 2015 AAMFT Code of Ethics and is the author for several books, including Saving Psychotherapy and Basics of California Law for LMFTS, LPCCs, and LCSWs.
In this episode we talk about:

How to identify what to do and how to respond to all the changing instructions from officials about practicing therapy during these times

The debate around telehealth versus in person treatment

The legal and ethical responsibilities therapists hold regarding continuity of care

Client opt-in and preference, fears about client abandonment

The myth that you are required to keep seeing clients no matter what

The moral aspect of choices made during treatment, especially during uncertain times like these

Clinical considerations for clients who are not appropriate for telehealth

The importance of identifying and managing all types of risks during these times

The fallacy that you can now practice across state lines without any restrictions

The possibilities for seeing clients who have returned home to other states, the reasonable argument for continuity of care

Advice for implementing telehealth quickly, including choosing a HIPAA compliant platform

The benefits of complying with telehealth training requirements

Misinformation that can confuse folks within the Facebook Therapist Groups

The challenges that licensing boards are facing related to testing and licensing delays and related laws or regulations

Professional wills – basic requirements and legal/ethical responsibilities

Connecting with clients, human to human related to illness and emergency

The growing importance of communication in this new era of health awareness

The requirements for “essential workers”</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Dr. Ben Caldwell about the rapidly changing directives during the COVID-19 pandemic. Curt and Katie interview Ben about telehealth, HIPAA, and all of the efforts of continuity of care during quarantine, shelter-in-place orders. We look at legal, ethical, and clinical responsibilities during these uncertain times.        </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD, LMFT</p><p>Benjamin Caldwell, PsyD is a California Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#42723) and the Education and Director for SimplePractice Learning. He currently serves as adjunct faculty for California Statue University Northridge in Los Angeles. He has taught at the graduate level for more than 15 years, primarily in Law and Ethics, and has written and trained extensively on ethical applications in mental health care. In addition to serving a three-year term on the AAMFT Ethics Committee, Dr. Caldwell served as the Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for AAMFT-California for 10 years. He served as Editor for the <em>Users Guide to the 2015 AAMFT Code of Ethics</em> and is the author for several books, including <em>Saving Psychotherapy</em> and <em>Basics of California Law for LMFTS, LPCCs, and LCSWs</em>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How to identify what to do and how to respond to all the changing instructions from officials about practicing therapy during these times</li>
<li>The debate around telehealth versus in person treatment</li>
<li>The legal and ethical responsibilities therapists hold regarding continuity of care</li>
<li>Client opt-in and preference, fears about client abandonment</li>
<li>The myth that you are required to keep seeing clients no matter what</li>
<li>The moral aspect of choices made during treatment, especially during uncertain times like these</li>
<li>Clinical considerations for clients who are not appropriate for telehealth</li>
<li>The importance of identifying and managing all types of risks during these times</li>
<li>The fallacy that you can now practice across state lines without any restrictions</li>
<li>The possibilities for seeing clients who have returned home to other states, the reasonable argument for continuity of care</li>
<li>Advice for implementing telehealth quickly, including choosing a HIPAA compliant platform</li>
<li>The benefits of complying with telehealth training requirements</li>
<li>Misinformation that can confuse folks within the Facebook Therapist Groups</li>
<li>The challenges that licensing boards are facing related to testing and licensing delays and related laws or regulations</li>
<li>Professional wills – basic requirements and legal/ethical responsibilities</li>
<li>Connecting with clients, human to human related to illness and emergency</li>
<li>The growing importance of communication in this new era of health awareness</li>
<li>The requirements for “essential workers”</li>
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      <title>Recession-Proofing Your Practice</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/recession-proofing-your-practice</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how to prepare for economic uncertainty as one of the ripple effects from COVID-19. We talk about practical suggestions of what you can do now to weather a recession as well as continue forward with the practice you’d like to build.        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The economic uncertainty as a ripple effect from COVID-19

Looking at the research after the Great Recession

The importance of self-assessment and business-assessment, being thoughtful about the decisions you make about your business

Moving beyond scrambling to telehealth into changes you want to incorporate longer-term

How to prepare for a changing world

How critical cash flow can be during these times

Tightening your financial practices (e.g., timely invoicing and charging credit cards, billing insurance, collecting copays)

Focusing on profit, not growing your business

Looking at your numbers (revenue, expenses, profit)

How to be agile without taking on too much risk

Understanding what you do that is the highest value offering (highest profit margin) and do more of that – maximizing your most profitable services

Pay off and minimize debt, cutting costs to improve financial position

Setting yourself with a rainy-day fund

Navigating to weather uncertainty

Exploring different business models that are focused on need versus luxury

Being intentional with how you adjust offerings and how you are flexible in your practice

Therapists’ requirement to manage their own needs (in therapy or otherwise) to sustain their therapy practice – clients need guidance and feel like they are getting what they are paying for

Pay attention to your numbers to continue monitoring what you need to do

The importance of the customer experience and maintaining your current clients

Communicating clearly with your clients and prospects

How to increase the quality of your offerings to sustain current clients and get new ones

Plan for the long-term of your practice</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Recession-Proofing Your Practice</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how to prepare for economic uncertainty</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how to prepare for economic uncertainty as one of the ripple effects from COVID-19. We talk about practical suggestions of what you can do now to weather a recession as well as continue forward with the practice you’d like to build.        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The economic uncertainty as a ripple effect from COVID-19

Looking at the research after the Great Recession

The importance of self-assessment and business-assessment, being thoughtful about the decisions you make about your business

Moving beyond scrambling to telehealth into changes you want to incorporate longer-term

How to prepare for a changing world

How critical cash flow can be during these times

Tightening your financial practices (e.g., timely invoicing and charging credit cards, billing insurance, collecting copays)

Focusing on profit, not growing your business

Looking at your numbers (revenue, expenses, profit)

How to be agile without taking on too much risk

Understanding what you do that is the highest value offering (highest profit margin) and do more of that – maximizing your most profitable services

Pay off and minimize debt, cutting costs to improve financial position

Setting yourself with a rainy-day fund

Navigating to weather uncertainty

Exploring different business models that are focused on need versus luxury

Being intentional with how you adjust offerings and how you are flexible in your practice

Therapists’ requirement to manage their own needs (in therapy or otherwise) to sustain their therapy practice – clients need guidance and feel like they are getting what they are paying for

Pay attention to your numbers to continue monitoring what you need to do

The importance of the customer experience and maintaining your current clients

Communicating clearly with your clients and prospects

How to increase the quality of your offerings to sustain current clients and get new ones

Plan for the long-term of your practice</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how to prepare for economic uncertainty as one of the ripple effects from COVID-19. We talk about practical suggestions of what you can do now to weather a recession as well as continue forward with the practice you’d like to build.        </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The economic uncertainty as a ripple effect from COVID-19</li>
<li>Looking at the research after the Great Recession</li>
<li>The importance of self-assessment and business-assessment, being thoughtful about the decisions you make about your business</li>
<li>Moving beyond scrambling to telehealth into changes you want to incorporate longer-term</li>
<li>How to prepare for a changing world</li>
<li>How critical cash flow can be during these times</li>
<li>Tightening your financial practices (e.g., timely invoicing and charging credit cards, billing insurance, collecting copays)</li>
<li>Focusing on profit, not growing your business</li>
<li>Looking at your numbers (revenue, expenses, profit)</li>
<li>How to be agile without taking on too much risk</li>
<li>Understanding what you do that is the highest value offering (highest profit margin) and do more of that – maximizing your most profitable services</li>
<li>Pay off and minimize debt, cutting costs to improve financial position</li>
<li>Setting yourself with a rainy-day fund</li>
<li>Navigating to weather uncertainty</li>
<li>Exploring different business models that are focused on need versus luxury</li>
<li>Being intentional with how you adjust offerings and how you are flexible in your practice</li>
<li>Therapists’ requirement to manage their own needs (in therapy or otherwise) to sustain their therapy practice – clients need guidance and feel like they are getting what they are paying for</li>
<li>Pay attention to your numbers to continue monitoring what you need to do</li>
<li>The importance of the customer experience and maintaining your current clients</li>
<li>Communicating clearly with your clients and prospects</li>
<li>How to increase the quality of your offerings to sustain current clients and get new ones</li>
<li>Plan for the long-term of your practice</li>
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      <title>Burnout or Depression</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/burnout-or-depression</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the idea that burnout and depression could actually be the same thing. We look at how stigma and a sense of superiority may inhibit clinicians from reporting that they’re actually experiencing depression rather than “burnout.”        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The blog article that sparked the conversation about why doctors don’t get depressed

The idea that burnout and depression may be the same thing

The functionality of diagnosis in treatment and how it impacts what one is diagnosed

The definitions of burnout and depression and the different schools of thought

The place of elitism both in the definition and the treatment of burnout

A sense of superiority and or a feeling of higher level on the hierarchy leading to less burnout and depression

Katie’s ideas around simple burnout or complicated burnout and the overuse of that word

Where the ideas around burnout actually came from and whether it is a sound foundation

The medical model divorcing depression from situational factors

The concern that pop psychology may have invaded the space

The idea that when people have sought the situation that has led to burnout or depression – there is an existential crisis

The rationale that it is “worth it” because we have sacrificed to move forward in our career

Tips from Freudenberger (who introduced the concept of Burnout) on how to avoid or treat burnout: hiring, work culture, thoughtfulness about work and work day, breaks and vacations, staff development and feeling time, sharing experiences, time off to learn, adequate staffing, balance of physical exercise</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Burnout or Depression</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Are they actually different?</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the idea that burnout and depression could actually be the same thing. We look at how stigma and a sense of superiority may inhibit clinicians from reporting that they’re actually experiencing depression rather than “burnout.”        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The blog article that sparked the conversation about why doctors don’t get depressed

The idea that burnout and depression may be the same thing

The functionality of diagnosis in treatment and how it impacts what one is diagnosed

The definitions of burnout and depression and the different schools of thought

The place of elitism both in the definition and the treatment of burnout

A sense of superiority and or a feeling of higher level on the hierarchy leading to less burnout and depression

Katie’s ideas around simple burnout or complicated burnout and the overuse of that word

Where the ideas around burnout actually came from and whether it is a sound foundation

The medical model divorcing depression from situational factors

The concern that pop psychology may have invaded the space

The idea that when people have sought the situation that has led to burnout or depression – there is an existential crisis

The rationale that it is “worth it” because we have sacrificed to move forward in our career

Tips from Freudenberger (who introduced the concept of Burnout) on how to avoid or treat burnout: hiring, work culture, thoughtfulness about work and work day, breaks and vacations, staff development and feeling time, sharing experiences, time off to learn, adequate staffing, balance of physical exercise</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about the idea that burnout and depression could actually be the same thing. We look at how stigma and a sense of superiority may inhibit clinicians from reporting that they’re actually experiencing depression rather than “burnout.”        </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The blog article that sparked the conversation about why doctors don’t get depressed</li>
<li>The idea that burnout and depression may be the same thing</li>
<li>The functionality of diagnosis in treatment and how it impacts what one is diagnosed</li>
<li>The definitions of burnout and depression and the different schools of thought</li>
<li>The place of elitism both in the definition and the treatment of burnout</li>
<li>A sense of superiority and or a feeling of higher level on the hierarchy leading to less burnout and depression</li>
<li>Katie’s ideas around simple burnout or complicated burnout and the overuse of that word</li>
<li>Where the ideas around burnout actually came from and whether it is a sound foundation</li>
<li>The medical model divorcing depression from situational factors</li>
<li>The concern that pop psychology may have invaded the space</li>
<li>The idea that when people have sought the situation that has led to burnout or depression – there is an existential crisis</li>
<li>The rationale that it is “worth it” because we have sacrificed to move forward in our career</li>
<li>Tips from Freudenberger (who introduced the concept of Burnout) on how to avoid or treat burnout: hiring, work culture, thoughtfulness about work and work day, breaks and vacations, staff development and feeling time, sharing experiences, time off to learn, adequate staffing, balance of physical exercise</li>
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      <title>The Viral Episode</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-viral-episode</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the Corona Virus scare. We look at how to take care of ourselves, our clients, and our businesses during the current outbreak. We also look at the mental health impacts and the legal and ethical responsibilities we have to our clients.         
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The current concerns about the Corona Virus

The impacts of the virus on therapists

How to identify our responsibilities as therapists

Info from the World Health Organization and the Center for Disease Control on COVID-19

The reactions that we are seeing in society as mental healthcare professionals

Looking at practical steps to increase safety in your office

How to think about your cancellation policy

Incorporating telehealth into your practice

The complexity of insurance companies covering telehealth session

Xenophobia toward individuals of Asian descent, and the mental health impact on these clients

The impact on the individuals (or their caregivers) who have compromised immune systems of needing to remain home or in isolation

The legal and ethical considerations

When we can tell our clients that they must stay home and when it could be discrimination

The problems with self-quarantines

The importance of therapists refraining from contributing to the anxiety and sharing accurate information from reputable sources</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2020 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Viral Episode</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the impact of the Corona Virus scare on therapists</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the Corona Virus scare. We look at how to take care of ourselves, our clients, and our businesses during the current outbreak. We also look at the mental health impacts and the legal and ethical responsibilities we have to our clients.         
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The current concerns about the Corona Virus

The impacts of the virus on therapists

How to identify our responsibilities as therapists

Info from the World Health Organization and the Center for Disease Control on COVID-19

The reactions that we are seeing in society as mental healthcare professionals

Looking at practical steps to increase safety in your office

How to think about your cancellation policy

Incorporating telehealth into your practice

The complexity of insurance companies covering telehealth session

Xenophobia toward individuals of Asian descent, and the mental health impact on these clients

The impact on the individuals (or their caregivers) who have compromised immune systems of needing to remain home or in isolation

The legal and ethical considerations

When we can tell our clients that they must stay home and when it could be discrimination

The problems with self-quarantines

The importance of therapists refraining from contributing to the anxiety and sharing accurate information from reputable sources</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about the Corona Virus scare. We look at how to take care of ourselves, our clients, and our businesses during the current outbreak. We also look at the mental health impacts and the legal and ethical responsibilities we have to our clients.         </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The current concerns about the Corona Virus</li>
<li>The impacts of the virus on therapists</li>
<li>How to identify our responsibilities as therapists</li>
<li>Info from the World Health Organization and the Center for Disease Control on COVID-19</li>
<li>The reactions that we are seeing in society as mental healthcare professionals</li>
<li>Looking at practical steps to increase safety in your office</li>
<li>How to think about your cancellation policy</li>
<li>Incorporating telehealth into your practice</li>
<li>The complexity of insurance companies covering telehealth session</li>
<li>Xenophobia toward individuals of Asian descent, and the mental health impact on these clients</li>
<li>The impact on the individuals (or their caregivers) who have compromised immune systems of needing to remain home or in isolation</li>
<li>The legal and ethical considerations</li>
<li>When we can tell our clients that they must stay home and when it could be discrimination</li>
<li>The problems with self-quarantines</li>
<li>The importance of therapists refraining from contributing to the anxiety and sharing accurate information from reputable sources</li>
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      <title>Dissociation in Therapy</title>
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      <description>An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich on how to navigate through dissociation in the therapy room. Curt and Katie interview Jamie about her own experiences with dissociation and what she does to cope as a dissociative professional. We discuss the importance of mindfulness and other strategies to take care of ourselves as well as treating dissociative clients. We also chat about how to navigate professional organizations as someone who likes to challenge the status quo.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT
Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice to expressive arts therapy and co-creator of the Yoga Unchained approach to trauma-informed yoga. Jamie is the author of seven books, including the popular EMDR Made Simple and EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care (Springer Publishing in 2018), written in collaboration with Dr. Stephen Dansiger. Her newest title, Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery, released in April 2019. North Atlantic Books is publishing a second and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps, due for release in the Summer of 2020.
In this episode we talk about:

Creative mindfulness

Joy in facilitating transformation

Jamie’s experience with trauma, addiction, dissociation, and how that led to her work

EMDR and “the weird stuff” that has led to improved outcomes

The power of embodied healing

Jamie coming out as being in recovery, bisexual, and struggling with dissociation

The response of other therapists to Jamie coming out as a dissociative professional

The importance of being candid to remain present and to combat the label of impaired therapist

Shame about dissociation and the difficulty therapists have in treating dissociation

How to navigate through dissociation as a therapist – we all dissociate, just at different degrees

The importance of mindfulness in combatting dissociation

Rituals and routines to ground and return to the present

Learning the models for treatment and then “breaking the rules elegantly” to innovate

How institutes develop effectively and the struggles of bringing treatment to the mainstream

Jamie’s standing up and pushing away from the mainstream – and some of the consequences

Why Jamie and Curt love EMDR</description>
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      <itunes:title>Dissociation in Therapy: An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich on how to navigate through dissociation in the therapy room. Curt and Katie interview Jamie about her own experiences with dissociation and what she does to cope as a dissociative professional. We discuss the importance of mindfulness and other strategies to take care of ourselves as well as treating dissociative clients. We also chat about how to navigate professional organizations as someone who likes to challenge the status quo.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT
Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice to expressive arts therapy and co-creator of the Yoga Unchained approach to trauma-informed yoga. Jamie is the author of seven books, including the popular EMDR Made Simple and EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care (Springer Publishing in 2018), written in collaboration with Dr. Stephen Dansiger. Her newest title, Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery, released in April 2019. North Atlantic Books is publishing a second and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps, due for release in the Summer of 2020.
In this episode we talk about:

Creative mindfulness

Joy in facilitating transformation

Jamie’s experience with trauma, addiction, dissociation, and how that led to her work

EMDR and “the weird stuff” that has led to improved outcomes

The power of embodied healing

Jamie coming out as being in recovery, bisexual, and struggling with dissociation

The response of other therapists to Jamie coming out as a dissociative professional

The importance of being candid to remain present and to combat the label of impaired therapist

Shame about dissociation and the difficulty therapists have in treating dissociation

How to navigate through dissociation as a therapist – we all dissociate, just at different degrees

The importance of mindfulness in combatting dissociation

Rituals and routines to ground and return to the present

Learning the models for treatment and then “breaking the rules elegantly” to innovate

How institutes develop effectively and the struggles of bringing treatment to the mainstream

Jamie’s standing up and pushing away from the mainstream – and some of the consequences

Why Jamie and Curt love EMDR</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich on how to navigate through dissociation in the therapy room. Curt and Katie interview Jamie about her own experiences with dissociation and what she does to cope as a dissociative professional. We discuss the importance of mindfulness and other strategies to take care of ourselves as well as treating dissociative clients. We also chat about how to navigate professional organizations as someone who likes to challenge the status quo.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT</p><p>Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the <em>Dancing Mindfulness</em> practice to expressive arts therapy and co-creator of the <em>Yoga Unchained</em> approach to trauma-informed yoga. Jamie is the author of seven books, including the popular <em>EMDR Made Simple</em> and <em>EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care</em> (Springer Publishing in 2018), written in collaboration with Dr. Stephen Dansiger. Her newest title, <em>Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery</em>, released in April 2019. North Atlantic Books is publishing a second and expanded edition of <em>Trauma and the 12 Steps</em>, due for release in the Summer of 2020.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Creative mindfulness</li>
<li>Joy in facilitating transformation</li>
<li>Jamie’s experience with trauma, addiction, dissociation, and how that led to her work</li>
<li>EMDR and “the weird stuff” that has led to improved outcomes</li>
<li>The power of embodied healing</li>
<li>Jamie coming out as being in recovery, bisexual, and struggling with dissociation</li>
<li>The response of other therapists to Jamie coming out as a dissociative professional</li>
<li>The importance of being candid to remain present and to combat the label of impaired therapist</li>
<li>Shame about dissociation and the difficulty therapists have in treating dissociation</li>
<li>How to navigate through dissociation as a therapist – we all dissociate, just at different degrees</li>
<li>The importance of mindfulness in combatting dissociation</li>
<li>Rituals and routines to ground and return to the present</li>
<li>Learning the models for treatment and then “breaking the rules elegantly” to innovate</li>
<li>How institutes develop effectively and the struggles of bringing treatment to the mainstream</li>
<li>Jamie’s standing up and pushing away from the mainstream – and some of the consequences</li>
<li>Why Jamie and Curt love EMDR</li>
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      <title>You Can't Trust Your Gut</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/you-cant-trust-your-gut</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the ins and outs of intuition. We look at when you can trust your gut feelings and when you cannot. We sort through how to actually develop and use clinical intuition as well as the problems that can come into play when you do not follow the appropriate steps.     
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Definitions of the 4 types of intuition: mystical, spurious, inferential, wholistic

Confirmatory bias – how it can be known, but go unrecognized

How operant conditioning might be supporting your feeling of being able to trust your gut

Discounting affect (ignoring when your assumptions were wrong)

Whether or not we should pay attention to Mercury in Retrograde

The challenge of looking for evidence that both supports and challenges your assumptions

The different individual characteristics that get in the way of evaluating things appropriately

The importance of deliberate practice

The two different thinking processes described by Daniel Kahneman in Thinking Fast and Slow

The need to test our assumptions, even though it is potentially laborious or threatening

Using the scientific method

The problem with “mindbugs” like the availability heuristic and the misinformation effect in trying to actively improve our ability to assess data

Deductive intuition versus inductive intuition

Conditions required to use clinical intuition: regularity, practice, immediate feedback

Looking for things that prove you wrong, hearing and sorting through both positive and negative feedback

A danger of specialization where you fit every client into your area of focus

The left brain/right brain fallacy

When case examples or individual stories don’t honor all of the times that clinicians are wrong

Unexamined bias is a constant challenge in trying to make sure you are evaluating the actual data and not what you are expecting to see

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Glyn Brokensha – Clinical Intuition: more than rational?
 Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People by Mahzarin R. Banaji and Anthony G. Greenwald
 Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
 Awakening Intuition by Terry Marks-Tarlow
 
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors
 
Relevant Episodes and Blog Posts:
Saying “Trust Your Gut” Is Bad Advice
Deliberate Practice episodes:
Be a Better Therapist
Finding Your Blindspots
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the ins and outs of clinical intuition. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the ins and outs of intuition. We look at when you can trust your gut feelings and when you cannot. We sort through how to actually develop and use clinical intuition as well as the problems that can come into play when you do not follow the appropriate steps.     
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Definitions of the 4 types of intuition: mystical, spurious, inferential, wholistic

Confirmatory bias – how it can be known, but go unrecognized

How operant conditioning might be supporting your feeling of being able to trust your gut

Discounting affect (ignoring when your assumptions were wrong)

Whether or not we should pay attention to Mercury in Retrograde

The challenge of looking for evidence that both supports and challenges your assumptions

The different individual characteristics that get in the way of evaluating things appropriately

The importance of deliberate practice

The two different thinking processes described by Daniel Kahneman in Thinking Fast and Slow

The need to test our assumptions, even though it is potentially laborious or threatening

Using the scientific method

The problem with “mindbugs” like the availability heuristic and the misinformation effect in trying to actively improve our ability to assess data

Deductive intuition versus inductive intuition

Conditions required to use clinical intuition: regularity, practice, immediate feedback

Looking for things that prove you wrong, hearing and sorting through both positive and negative feedback

A danger of specialization where you fit every client into your area of focus

The left brain/right brain fallacy

When case examples or individual stories don’t honor all of the times that clinicians are wrong

Unexamined bias is a constant challenge in trying to make sure you are evaluating the actual data and not what you are expecting to see

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 Glyn Brokensha – Clinical Intuition: more than rational?
 Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People by Mahzarin R. Banaji and Anthony G. Greenwald
 Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
 Awakening Intuition by Terry Marks-Tarlow
 
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors
 
Relevant Episodes and Blog Posts:
Saying “Trust Your Gut” Is Bad Advice
Deliberate Practice episodes:
Be a Better Therapist
Finding Your Blindspots
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>Definitions of the 4 types of intuition: mystical, spurious, inferential, wholistic</li>
<li>Confirmatory bias – how it can be known, but go unrecognized</li>
<li>How operant conditioning might be supporting your feeling of being able to trust your gut</li>
<li>Discounting affect (ignoring when your assumptions were wrong)</li>
<li>Whether or not we should pay attention to Mercury in Retrograde</li>
<li>The challenge of looking for evidence that both supports and challenges your assumptions</li>
<li>The different individual characteristics that get in the way of evaluating things appropriately</li>
<li>The importance of deliberate practice</li>
<li>The two different thinking processes described by Daniel Kahneman in Thinking Fast and Slow</li>
<li>The need to test our assumptions, even though it is potentially laborious or threatening</li>
<li>Using the scientific method</li>
<li>The problem with “mindbugs” like the availability heuristic and the misinformation effect in trying to actively improve our ability to assess data</li>
<li>Deductive intuition versus inductive intuition</li>
<li>Conditions required to use clinical intuition: regularity, practice, immediate feedback</li>
<li>Looking for things that prove you wrong, hearing and sorting through both positive and negative feedback</li>
<li>A danger of specialization where you fit every client into your area of focus</li>
<li>The left brain/right brain fallacy</li>
<li>When case examples or individual stories don’t honor all of the times that clinicians are wrong</li>
<li>Unexamined bias is a constant challenge in trying to make sure you are evaluating the actual data and not what you are expecting to see</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://www.nps.org.au/australian-prescriber/articles/clinical-intuition-more-than-rational"> Glyn Brokensha – Clinical Intuition: more than rational?</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345528433/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0345528433&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=mtsgpodcast-20&amp;linkId=a6a986188a4acbd6f66938c9ccf52093"> Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People</a> by Mahzarin R. Banaji and Anthony G. Greenwald</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009JIF284/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=mtsgpodcast-20&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;creativeASIN=B009JIF284&amp;linkId=a381696807e7f125dd4eae00c17ea7b5"> Thinking Fast and Slow</a> by Daniel Kahneman</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393708683/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0393708683&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=mtsgpodcast-20&amp;linkId=8bd5f15a095cbc2b80fbeca7b0b52de1"> Awakening Intuition</a> by Terry Marks-Tarlow</p><p> </p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/become-a-speaker/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/be-a-sponsor/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes and Blog Posts:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/trust-your-gut-is-bad-advice/">Saying “Trust Your Gut” Is Bad Advice</a></p><p>Deliberate Practice episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/be-a-better-therapist/">Be a Better Therapist</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/finding-your-blind-spots/">Finding Your Blindspots</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Unlearning Very Bad Therapy</title>
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      <description>An interview with Carrie Wiita and Ben Fineman, MFT Trainees and the co-hosts of the Very Bad Therapy podcast. Curt and Katie interview Ben and Carrie about their experience as graduate students and mental health advocates. We look at the short-falls of the educational system as well as the mythologies that stagnate the profession. We talk about how to improve therapy and the training we receive.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Carrie Wiita and Ben Fineman, Marriage and Family Therapist Trainees and Co-Hosts of the Very Bad Therapy podcast
Very Bad Therapy gives voice to the stores that begin with an exasperated "You would not believe what happened with my therapist." Weekly episodes explore real-life stories of very bad therapy experiences as hosts Caroline Wiita and Ben Fineman seek to learn from diverse guests and experts in the field who help shed light on how things could have gone better. Supported by scientific research and a mission to bring out the best in psychotherapy through discussion of its worst moments, Very Bad Therapy is a corrective emotional experience for clinicians and clients alike.
 
In this episode we talk about:

How Curt is responsible for Carrie and Ben meeting (and how proud he is of that fact)

What is missing in therapist education and how to look at the profession of therapy critically

What we are told when we enter into the field and what the reality actually is

How going to grad school and listening to MTSG Podcast can be super confusing

The research that says therapists do not get better with experience

The mythologies in the profession that stop us from being curious

The disappointment in the status quo and the failure to move into the cutting edge

The stagnation of the field when we have the same people talking about the same things

The inconsistency of the faculty and their ability/desire to teach graduate students in therapy

Problems with graduate programs related to the bureaucracy and misinformation

Ben Caldwell’s Saving Psychotherapy (of course)

Feedback on the Very Bad Therapy podcast (and how Carrie and Ben have taken it in)

The importance of research, grounding in laws, ethics, clinical excellence, when challenging the status quo

The willingness to make mistakes publicly and be transparent with accountability to normalize mistakes and reinforce that we are not perfect and cannot be perfect as therapists

The role of defensiveness in very bad therapy

The problem of perfectionism in the field

Minimizing risk and maximizing “joining” or developing the therapeutic relationship

How harmful the communication between therapists can be

The impact of bias on the work

How to improve your training</description>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>An interview with Carrie Wiita and Ben Fineman, MFT Trainees and the co-hosts of the Very Bad Therapy podcast. Curt and Katie interview Ben and Carrie about their experience as graduate students and mental health advocates. We look at the short-falls of the educational system as well as the mythologies that stagnate the profession. We talk about how to improve therapy and the training we receive.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 
Interview with Carrie Wiita and Ben Fineman, Marriage and Family Therapist Trainees and Co-Hosts of the Very Bad Therapy podcast
Very Bad Therapy gives voice to the stores that begin with an exasperated "You would not believe what happened with my therapist." Weekly episodes explore real-life stories of very bad therapy experiences as hosts Caroline Wiita and Ben Fineman seek to learn from diverse guests and experts in the field who help shed light on how things could have gone better. Supported by scientific research and a mission to bring out the best in psychotherapy through discussion of its worst moments, Very Bad Therapy is a corrective emotional experience for clinicians and clients alike.
 
In this episode we talk about:

How Curt is responsible for Carrie and Ben meeting (and how proud he is of that fact)

What is missing in therapist education and how to look at the profession of therapy critically

What we are told when we enter into the field and what the reality actually is

How going to grad school and listening to MTSG Podcast can be super confusing

The research that says therapists do not get better with experience

The mythologies in the profession that stop us from being curious

The disappointment in the status quo and the failure to move into the cutting edge

The stagnation of the field when we have the same people talking about the same things

The inconsistency of the faculty and their ability/desire to teach graduate students in therapy

Problems with graduate programs related to the bureaucracy and misinformation

Ben Caldwell’s Saving Psychotherapy (of course)

Feedback on the Very Bad Therapy podcast (and how Carrie and Ben have taken it in)

The importance of research, grounding in laws, ethics, clinical excellence, when challenging the status quo

The willingness to make mistakes publicly and be transparent with accountability to normalize mistakes and reinforce that we are not perfect and cannot be perfect as therapists

The role of defensiveness in very bad therapy

The problem of perfectionism in the field

Minimizing risk and maximizing “joining” or developing the therapeutic relationship

How harmful the communication between therapists can be

The impact of bias on the work

How to improve your training</itunes:summary>
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<li>How Curt is responsible for Carrie and Ben meeting (and how proud he is of that fact)</li>
<li>What is missing in therapist education and how to look at the profession of therapy critically</li>
<li>What we are told when we enter into the field and what the reality actually is</li>
<li>How going to grad school and listening to MTSG Podcast can be super confusing</li>
<li>The research that says therapists do not get better with experience</li>
<li>The mythologies in the profession that stop us from being curious</li>
<li>The disappointment in the status quo and the failure to move into the cutting edge</li>
<li>The stagnation of the field when we have the same people talking about the same things</li>
<li>The inconsistency of the faculty and their ability/desire to teach graduate students in therapy</li>
<li>Problems with graduate programs related to the bureaucracy and misinformation</li>
<li>Ben Caldwell’s Saving Psychotherapy (of course)</li>
<li>Feedback on the Very Bad Therapy podcast (and how Carrie and Ben have taken it in)</li>
<li>The importance of research, grounding in laws, ethics, clinical excellence, when challenging the status quo</li>
<li>The willingness to make mistakes publicly and be transparent with accountability to normalize mistakes and reinforce that we are not perfect and cannot be perfect as therapists</li>
<li>The role of defensiveness in very bad therapy</li>
<li>The problem of perfectionism in the field</li>
<li>Minimizing risk and maximizing “joining” or developing the therapeutic relationship</li>
<li>How harmful the communication between therapists can be</li>
<li>The impact of bias on the work</li>
<li>How to improve your training</li>
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      <description>Curt and Katie talk about structuring self-care into your business practices. We look at how to incorporate self-care best practices into the way you build your work day. We also talk about common challenges to taking this advice.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Creating a cohesive plan for self-care in all aspects of your work

Incorporating the concept of Flow into your work practices

Defining Flow – the thoughts about losing yourself or being incredibly mindful

The absence of mental load that occurs when you are doing the things that you are good at and enjoy most

Decision fatigue, spoon theory

Identifying how to set up your day strategically

Studying your energy and motivation at different times of day

The importance of rest, balancing of stress and rest to increase stamina

The times when creativity comes are not when you’re working

Working to prevent burnout, rather than manage it after it happens

Intentionally scheduling rest and rejuvenating activities

What types of rest are effective and what types of rest are ineffective

The danger of the ideas of productivity and hustle

The inefficiency of continuous running

How to structure your schedule effectively

Ritual and routine, grounding and mindfulness

Creating systems to decrease the required number of decisions you need to make each day

How the people around you elevate you or pull you down

Intentionally separating “work” from home

Closing out, decompression, and consultation

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 2020 Kauai Continuing Education Retreat for Therapists Hosted by CAV Academy
Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing by Daniel Pink
Peak Performance: Elevate Your Game, Avoid Burnout, and Thrive with the New Science of Success by Brad Stulberg and Steve Magness 
Spoon Theory
 Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors
 
Relevant Episodes:
Self-Care, Self-Compassion, and Self-Awareness for Therapists
The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists
Compassion Fatigue
Therapists in Therapy
Toxic Work Environments
Managing Vicarious Trauma
The Burnout System
Addressing the Burnout System
The Mental Load of Therapists
All Kinds of Burned Out
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Structuring Self-Care</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about structuring self-care into your business practices. We look at how to incorporate self-care best practices into the way you build your work day. We also talk about common challenges to taking this advice.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Creating a cohesive plan for self-care in all aspects of your work

Incorporating the concept of Flow into your work practices

Defining Flow – the thoughts about losing yourself or being incredibly mindful

The absence of mental load that occurs when you are doing the things that you are good at and enjoy most

Decision fatigue, spoon theory

Identifying how to set up your day strategically

Studying your energy and motivation at different times of day

The importance of rest, balancing of stress and rest to increase stamina

The times when creativity comes are not when you’re working

Working to prevent burnout, rather than manage it after it happens

Intentionally scheduling rest and rejuvenating activities

What types of rest are effective and what types of rest are ineffective

The danger of the ideas of productivity and hustle

The inefficiency of continuous running

How to structure your schedule effectively

Ritual and routine, grounding and mindfulness

Creating systems to decrease the required number of decisions you need to make each day

How the people around you elevate you or pull you down

Intentionally separating “work” from home

Closing out, decompression, and consultation

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
 2020 Kauai Continuing Education Retreat for Therapists Hosted by CAV Academy
Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing by Daniel Pink
Peak Performance: Elevate Your Game, Avoid Burnout, and Thrive with the New Science of Success by Brad Stulberg and Steve Magness 
Spoon Theory
 Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors
 
Relevant Episodes:
Self-Care, Self-Compassion, and Self-Awareness for Therapists
The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists
Compassion Fatigue
Therapists in Therapy
Toxic Work Environments
Managing Vicarious Trauma
The Burnout System
Addressing the Burnout System
The Mental Load of Therapists
All Kinds of Burned Out
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>Creating a cohesive plan for self-care in all aspects of your work</li>
<li>Incorporating the concept of Flow into your work practices</li>
<li>Defining Flow – the thoughts about losing yourself or being incredibly mindful</li>
<li>The absence of mental load that occurs when you are doing the things that you are good at and enjoy most</li>
<li>Decision fatigue, spoon theory</li>
<li>Identifying how to set up your day strategically</li>
<li>Studying your energy and motivation at different times of day</li>
<li>The importance of rest, balancing of stress and rest to increase stamina</li>
<li>The times when creativity comes are not when you’re working</li>
<li>Working to prevent burnout, rather than manage it after it happens</li>
<li>Intentionally scheduling rest and rejuvenating activities</li>
<li>What types of rest are effective and what types of rest are ineffective</li>
<li>The danger of the ideas of productivity and hustle</li>
<li>The inefficiency of continuous running</li>
<li>How to structure your schedule effectively</li>
<li>Ritual and routine, grounding and mindfulness</li>
<li>Creating systems to decrease the required number of decisions you need to make each day</li>
<li>How the people around you elevate you or pull you down</li>
<li>Intentionally separating “work” from home</li>
<li>Closing out, decompression, and consultation</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below are affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!</p><p><a href="https://cavacademy.com/2020-KauaiCEU/?fbclid=IwAR1HIrskH6Tnb5aiNejCZUp_v53Gxz3JOvVoWhvJ-HCwUYqJkYbVZdg4wnY"> 2020 Kauai Continuing Education Retreat for Therapists Hosted by CAV Academy</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061339202/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0061339202&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=mtsgpodcast-20&amp;linkId=6745172e950229f3c52e27f7d1e9a301">Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience</a> by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0735210632/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0735210632&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=mtsgpodcast-20&amp;linkId=78349fb6c09d7a518ff3028d2ca37881">When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing</a> by Daniel Pink</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/162336793X/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=162336793X&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=mtsgpodcast-20&amp;linkId=c7dc8fc4a5e67bb32246ecb5f7df3671">Peak Performance: Elevate Your Game, Avoid Burnout, and Thrive with the New Science of Success</a> by Brad Stulberg and Steve Magness </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn5IBsm49Rk">Spoon Theory</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585429201/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=mtsgpodcast-20&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;creativeASIN=1585429201&amp;linkId=d87670f480547a988d5989e85c65b021"> Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain</a> by Betty Edwards</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/become-a-speaker/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/be-a-sponsor/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Sponsors</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/self-care-self-compassion-and-self-awareness-for-therapists/">Self-Care, Self-Compassion, and Self-Awareness for Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-danger-of-poor-self-care-for-therapists/">The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/compassion-fatigue/">Compassion Fatigue</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/therapists-in-therapy/">Therapists in Therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/toxic-work-environments/">Toxic Work Environments</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/managing-vicarious-trauma/">Managing Vicarious Trauma</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-burnout-system/">The Burnout System</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/addressing-the-burnout-machine/">Addressing the Burnout System</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-mental-load-of-therapists/">The Mental Load of Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/all-kinds-of-burned-out/">All Kinds of Burned Out</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Suicidal Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/suicidal-therapists-0</link>
      <description>An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW about therapists who become suicidal. Curt and Katie interview Norine on the risk factors that therapists face as well as how we can support each other in our community. We talk about prevention, interventions with a colleague, and how to manage when a colleague dies by suicide. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW
Norine Vander Hooven is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and has been in practice for 32 years. She specializes in trauma, anxiety, suicide prevention, and life transitions. Norine is also certified in EMDR therapy, and is in training to be an EMDR therapy consultant. She uses this to work with people with PTSD, anxiety, and traumatic life events. Norine provides clinical consultation for therapists, as well as she works with young adults and adults in her private practice. Learn more at norinevanderhooven.com
In this episode we talk about:

Following up on a previous episode, Therapist Suicide.

Looking at supervisors who have died by suicide

The lack of research and data regarding therapist suicide (both ideation and completion)

The fear and stigma about disclosing suicidal ideation and attempts for therapists

The difference between therapists and others in suicide risk

Heightened risk factors for therapists

How therapists take in the work with their clients

The isolation and lack of support that can happen with therapists

Suggestions for therapists to address suicidal thoughts, isolation, loneliness

Belonging, Burden, and Capability

The importance of community and consultation

The suggestion to be in your own therapy

Incorporating self-care even down to the small moments during the work day

How to incorporate knowledge about the challenge of the profession into our educational system

The shame therapists feel (both perceived and actual) about mental health challenges

How to support therapists who might be experiencing suicidal thoughts

How to provide therapy to therapists, incorporating conversations and assessment about suicide from the beginning, normalizing the experience and challenge of being a therapist

Supporting therapists in our community

Planning for postvention – comprehensive conversations after therapists have clients die by suicide or other big events in our colleagues’ lives

The importance of normalizing the feelings that therapists could be presenting with in consultation groups

What can we do when one of our colleagues die by suicide

The typical reactions and responses from colleagues, clients, and community members

Preparing to have a conversation with a client whose therapist has died by suicide</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Suicidal Therapists: An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW about therapists who become suicidal. Curt and Katie interview Norine on the risk factors that therapists face as well as how we can support each other in our community. We talk about prevention, interventions with a colleague, and how to manage when a colleague dies by suicide. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW
Norine Vander Hooven is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and has been in practice for 32 years. She specializes in trauma, anxiety, suicide prevention, and life transitions. Norine is also certified in EMDR therapy, and is in training to be an EMDR therapy consultant. She uses this to work with people with PTSD, anxiety, and traumatic life events. Norine provides clinical consultation for therapists, as well as she works with young adults and adults in her private practice. Learn more at norinevanderhooven.com
In this episode we talk about:

Following up on a previous episode, Therapist Suicide.

Looking at supervisors who have died by suicide

The lack of research and data regarding therapist suicide (both ideation and completion)

The fear and stigma about disclosing suicidal ideation and attempts for therapists

The difference between therapists and others in suicide risk

Heightened risk factors for therapists

How therapists take in the work with their clients

The isolation and lack of support that can happen with therapists

Suggestions for therapists to address suicidal thoughts, isolation, loneliness

Belonging, Burden, and Capability

The importance of community and consultation

The suggestion to be in your own therapy

Incorporating self-care even down to the small moments during the work day

How to incorporate knowledge about the challenge of the profession into our educational system

The shame therapists feel (both perceived and actual) about mental health challenges

How to support therapists who might be experiencing suicidal thoughts

How to provide therapy to therapists, incorporating conversations and assessment about suicide from the beginning, normalizing the experience and challenge of being a therapist

Supporting therapists in our community

Planning for postvention – comprehensive conversations after therapists have clients die by suicide or other big events in our colleagues’ lives

The importance of normalizing the feelings that therapists could be presenting with in consultation groups

What can we do when one of our colleagues die by suicide

The typical reactions and responses from colleagues, clients, and community members

Preparing to have a conversation with a client whose therapist has died by suicide</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW about therapists who become suicidal. Curt and Katie interview Norine on the risk factors that therapists face as well as how we can support each other in our community. We talk about prevention, interventions with a colleague, and how to manage when a colleague dies by suicide. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW</p><p>Norine Vander Hooven is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and has been in practice for 32 years. She specializes in trauma, anxiety, suicide prevention, and life transitions. Norine is also certified in EMDR therapy, and is in training to be an EMDR therapy consultant. She uses this to work with people with PTSD, anxiety, and traumatic life events. Norine provides clinical consultation for therapists, as well as she works with young adults and adults in her private practice. Learn more at norinevanderhooven.com</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Following up on a previous episode, Therapist Suicide.</li>
<li>Looking at supervisors who have died by suicide</li>
<li>The lack of research and data regarding therapist suicide (both ideation and completion)</li>
<li>The fear and stigma about disclosing suicidal ideation and attempts for therapists</li>
<li>The difference between therapists and others in suicide risk</li>
<li>Heightened risk factors for therapists</li>
<li>How therapists take in the work with their clients</li>
<li>The isolation and lack of support that can happen with therapists</li>
<li>Suggestions for therapists to address suicidal thoughts, isolation, loneliness</li>
<li>Belonging, Burden, and Capability</li>
<li>The importance of community and consultation</li>
<li>The suggestion to be in your own therapy</li>
<li>Incorporating self-care even down to the small moments during the work day</li>
<li>How to incorporate knowledge about the challenge of the profession into our educational system</li>
<li>The shame therapists feel (both perceived and actual) about mental health challenges</li>
<li>How to support therapists who might be experiencing suicidal thoughts</li>
<li>How to provide therapy to therapists, incorporating conversations and assessment about suicide from the beginning, normalizing the experience and challenge of being a therapist</li>
<li>Supporting therapists in our community</li>
<li>Planning for postvention – comprehensive conversations after therapists have clients die by suicide or other big events in our colleagues’ lives</li>
<li>The importance of normalizing the feelings that therapists could be presenting with in consultation groups</li>
<li>What can we do when one of our colleagues die by suicide</li>
<li>The typical reactions and responses from colleagues, clients, and community members</li>
<li>Preparing to have a conversation with a client whose therapist has died by suicide</li>
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      <title>Preventing Client Suicide</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/preventing-client-suicide</link>
      <description>An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW about assessing suicide appropriately for our clients from the beginning of treatment. Curt and Katie talk with Norine about what therapists often miss with their clients and how to treat suicidality when it comes up.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW
Norine Vander Hooven is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and has been in practice for 32 years. She specializes in trauma, anxiety, suicide prevention, and life transitions. Norine is also certified in EMDR therapy, and is in training to be an EMDR therapy consultant. She uses this to work with people with PTSD, anxiety, and traumatic life events. Norine provides clinical consultation for therapists, as well as she works with young adults and adults in her private practice. Learn more at norinevanderhooven.com
In this episode we talk about:

Norine’s story and how she entered into suicidology

How to appropriately assess for Suicide Risk from the beginning of treatment

What needs to be asked in your intake

The fear that therapists have in deeply looking at suicide with clients

The importance of exploring traumas from birth for clients

Why “die by suicide” is so much better than “committed” suicide

What #notsix means (how many people are actually affected by a single suicide)

Risk factors for suicidality: lack of belonging, feeling of being a burden, capability

What therapists often miss when assessing for suicide

The need to understand the client’s perception of the level of crisis around suicidality

Old school assessments and safety contracts that are not useful, and what to use instead

Who is most at risk for suicidal thoughts

What to consider in assessing for suicidality with clients who don’t appear to be at risk

Different types of suicidal thoughts

Searching for hope and forward thinking in life

Types of treatment modalities to address all types of suicidal thoughts

How to successfully assess, safety plan, and address suicide head on</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Preventing Client Suicide</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW about assessing suicide appropriately for our clients from the beginning of treatment. Curt and Katie talk with Norine about what therapists often miss with their clients and how to treat suicidality when it comes up.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW
Norine Vander Hooven is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and has been in practice for 32 years. She specializes in trauma, anxiety, suicide prevention, and life transitions. Norine is also certified in EMDR therapy, and is in training to be an EMDR therapy consultant. She uses this to work with people with PTSD, anxiety, and traumatic life events. Norine provides clinical consultation for therapists, as well as she works with young adults and adults in her private practice. Learn more at norinevanderhooven.com
In this episode we talk about:

Norine’s story and how she entered into suicidology

How to appropriately assess for Suicide Risk from the beginning of treatment

What needs to be asked in your intake

The fear that therapists have in deeply looking at suicide with clients

The importance of exploring traumas from birth for clients

Why “die by suicide” is so much better than “committed” suicide

What #notsix means (how many people are actually affected by a single suicide)

Risk factors for suicidality: lack of belonging, feeling of being a burden, capability

What therapists often miss when assessing for suicide

The need to understand the client’s perception of the level of crisis around suicidality

Old school assessments and safety contracts that are not useful, and what to use instead

Who is most at risk for suicidal thoughts

What to consider in assessing for suicidality with clients who don’t appear to be at risk

Different types of suicidal thoughts

Searching for hope and forward thinking in life

Types of treatment modalities to address all types of suicidal thoughts

How to successfully assess, safety plan, and address suicide head on</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW about assessing suicide appropriately for our clients from the beginning of treatment. Curt and Katie talk with Norine about what therapists often miss with their clients and how to treat suicidality when it comes up.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Norine Vander Hooven, LCSW</p><p>Norine Vander Hooven is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and has been in practice for 32 years. She specializes in trauma, anxiety, suicide prevention, and life transitions. Norine is also certified in EMDR therapy, and is in training to be an EMDR therapy consultant. She uses this to work with people with PTSD, anxiety, and traumatic life events. Norine provides clinical consultation for therapists, as well as she works with young adults and adults in her private practice. Learn more at norinevanderhooven.com</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Norine’s story and how she entered into suicidology</li>
<li>How to appropriately assess for Suicide Risk from the beginning of treatment</li>
<li>What needs to be asked in your intake</li>
<li>The fear that therapists have in deeply looking at suicide with clients</li>
<li>The importance of exploring traumas from birth for clients</li>
<li>Why “die by suicide” is so much better than “committed” suicide</li>
<li>What #notsix means (how many people are actually affected by a single suicide)</li>
<li>Risk factors for suicidality: lack of belonging, feeling of being a burden, capability</li>
<li>What therapists often miss when assessing for suicide</li>
<li>The need to understand the client’s perception of the level of crisis around suicidality</li>
<li>Old school assessments and safety contracts that are not useful, and what to use instead</li>
<li>Who is most at risk for suicidal thoughts</li>
<li>What to consider in assessing for suicidality with clients who don’t appear to be at risk</li>
<li>Different types of suicidal thoughts</li>
<li>Searching for hope and forward thinking in life</li>
<li>Types of treatment modalities to address all types of suicidal thoughts</li>
<li>How to successfully assess, safety plan, and address suicide head on</li>
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      <title>Therapists on Your Couch</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapists-on-your-couch</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the nuance of treating therapists in therapy. We look at the unique dynamics in the therapeutic relationship as well as common traps to avoid.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The lack of research or guidance on how to treat therapists in therapy

How different are therapists as therapy clients

What it is like to have a therapist for a therapy client

What to assess for with therapists

The importance of looking at what the presenting problem is

The expectation that therapists would be different that other clients

The therapeutic alliance and dual relationship conversations

The dynamic of making assumptions about therapists as clients

The theme of competition between client and therapist

Therapists overidentifying with therapist clients and making inaccurate assumptions

A different type of presenting problem and length of treatment

Common coping strategies (i.e., rationalization, focusing on cognition, non-judgmental, disconnect from feelings) that need to be overcome more with therapist clients

Clarifying the role and rules in the room, so we can take off the armor

Avoiding the temptation of staying in intellect and insight

Pushing for some comparison to other clients – reassurance, validation, vulnerability, trying to please or take care of the therapist

The importance of the therapist holding the container, so the therapist-client can do their work

How to navigate the differences between being a therapist and a supervisor or a manager

How therapists are like other clients, but totally different

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers
 
Relevant Episodes:
Therapists in Therapy
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapists on Your Couch</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the nuance of treating therapists in therapy</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the nuance of treating therapists in therapy. We look at the unique dynamics in the therapeutic relationship as well as common traps to avoid.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The lack of research or guidance on how to treat therapists in therapy

How different are therapists as therapy clients

What it is like to have a therapist for a therapy client

What to assess for with therapists

The importance of looking at what the presenting problem is

The expectation that therapists would be different that other clients

The therapeutic alliance and dual relationship conversations

The dynamic of making assumptions about therapists as clients

The theme of competition between client and therapist

Therapists overidentifying with therapist clients and making inaccurate assumptions

A different type of presenting problem and length of treatment

Common coping strategies (i.e., rationalization, focusing on cognition, non-judgmental, disconnect from feelings) that need to be overcome more with therapist clients

Clarifying the role and rules in the room, so we can take off the armor

Avoiding the temptation of staying in intellect and insight

Pushing for some comparison to other clients – reassurance, validation, vulnerability, trying to please or take care of the therapist

The importance of the therapist holding the container, so the therapist-client can do their work

How to navigate the differences between being a therapist and a supervisor or a manager

How therapists are like other clients, but totally different

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers
 
Relevant Episodes:
Therapists in Therapy
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about the nuance of treating therapists in therapy. We look at the unique dynamics in the therapeutic relationship as well as common traps to avoid.   </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The lack of research or guidance on how to treat therapists in therapy</li>
<li>How different are therapists as therapy clients</li>
<li>What it is like to have a therapist for a therapy client</li>
<li>What to assess for with therapists</li>
<li>The importance of looking at what the presenting problem is</li>
<li>The expectation that therapists would be different that other clients</li>
<li>The therapeutic alliance and dual relationship conversations</li>
<li>The dynamic of making assumptions about therapists as clients</li>
<li>The theme of competition between client and therapist</li>
<li>Therapists overidentifying with therapist clients and making inaccurate assumptions</li>
<li>A different type of presenting problem and length of treatment</li>
<li>Common coping strategies (i.e., rationalization, focusing on cognition, non-judgmental, disconnect from feelings) that need to be overcome more with therapist clients</li>
<li>Clarifying the role and rules in the room, so we can take off the armor</li>
<li>Avoiding the temptation of staying in intellect and insight</li>
<li>Pushing for some comparison to other clients – reassurance, validation, vulnerability, trying to please or take care of the therapist</li>
<li>The importance of the therapist holding the container, so the therapist-client can do their work</li>
<li>How to navigate the differences between being a therapist and a supervisor or a manager</li>
<li>How therapists are like other clients, but totally different</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/become-a-speaker/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/therapists-in-therapy/">Therapists in Therapy</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Iran, The News, and Your Clients</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/iran-the-news-and-your-clients</link>
      <description>An interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD, and Negeen Moussavian, AMFT, regarding Iran, current events, and how the news might impact Iranian clients.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 Interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD and Negeen Moussavian, AMFT
Pardis Mahdavi, PhD is currently Director of the School for Social Transformation at Arizona State University. Before coming to Arizona, she was Acting Dean of the Korbel School of International Studies at the University of Denver (2017-2019), after spending eleven years at Pomona College from 2006-2017 where she most recently served as professor and chair of anthropology and director of the Pacific Basin Institute at Pomona College as well as Dean of Women. Her research interests include gendered labor, human trafficking, migration, sexuality, human rights, transnational feminism, and public health in the context of changing global and political structures. She has published four single authored books and one edited volume in addition to numerous journal and news articles. She has been a fellow at the Social Sciences Research Council, the American Council on Learned Societies, Google Ideas, and the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. In 2018 she was appointed by Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper and re-appointed by Governor Jared Polis to serve on the Colorado Commission on Higher Education.
Negeen Moussavian is a Registered Associate Marriage and Family Therapist (#107771) working under the supervision of Curt Widhalm LMFT (#47333) in Encino, CA. She received her Master of Arts in Clinical Psychology with an emphasis in Marriage &amp; Family Therapy from Pepperdine University. She works with clients dealing with relationships, dating, infidelity, and trauma. Additionally, she works with Iranian-American clients on issues surrounding identity, generational trauma, and other culture specific topics. She implements a combination of holistic and traditional therapy practices, including EMDR therapy.
In this episode we talk about:

Current events in Iran as well as historical context

Liminality – the feeling of not belonging here or there

The importance of being informed

The uncertainty that can lead to fear and then to hate

The crushing tsunami wave of islamophobia that is coming in the United States

How significant events related to Iran impact Iranian-Americans

The dramatic changes within Iran

How therapists can help Iranian families to cope with the impacts of current events</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Iran, The News, and Your Clients</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/a4c6ea48-690e-11ed-9001-cfd384059267/image/Episode_137.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD, and Negeen Moussavian, AMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD, and Negeen Moussavian, AMFT, regarding Iran, current events, and how the news might impact Iranian clients.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 Interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD and Negeen Moussavian, AMFT
Pardis Mahdavi, PhD is currently Director of the School for Social Transformation at Arizona State University. Before coming to Arizona, she was Acting Dean of the Korbel School of International Studies at the University of Denver (2017-2019), after spending eleven years at Pomona College from 2006-2017 where she most recently served as professor and chair of anthropology and director of the Pacific Basin Institute at Pomona College as well as Dean of Women. Her research interests include gendered labor, human trafficking, migration, sexuality, human rights, transnational feminism, and public health in the context of changing global and political structures. She has published four single authored books and one edited volume in addition to numerous journal and news articles. She has been a fellow at the Social Sciences Research Council, the American Council on Learned Societies, Google Ideas, and the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. In 2018 she was appointed by Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper and re-appointed by Governor Jared Polis to serve on the Colorado Commission on Higher Education.
Negeen Moussavian is a Registered Associate Marriage and Family Therapist (#107771) working under the supervision of Curt Widhalm LMFT (#47333) in Encino, CA. She received her Master of Arts in Clinical Psychology with an emphasis in Marriage &amp; Family Therapy from Pepperdine University. She works with clients dealing with relationships, dating, infidelity, and trauma. Additionally, she works with Iranian-American clients on issues surrounding identity, generational trauma, and other culture specific topics. She implements a combination of holistic and traditional therapy practices, including EMDR therapy.
In this episode we talk about:

Current events in Iran as well as historical context

Liminality – the feeling of not belonging here or there

The importance of being informed

The uncertainty that can lead to fear and then to hate

The crushing tsunami wave of islamophobia that is coming in the United States

How significant events related to Iran impact Iranian-Americans

The dramatic changes within Iran

How therapists can help Iranian families to cope with the impacts of current events</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD, and Negeen Moussavian, AMFT, regarding Iran, current events, and how the news might impact Iranian clients.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p> Interview with Pardis Mahdavi, PhD and Negeen Moussavian, AMFT</p><p>Pardis Mahdavi, PhD is currently Director of the School for Social Transformation at Arizona State University. Before coming to Arizona, she was Acting Dean of the Korbel School of International Studies at the University of Denver (2017-2019), after spending eleven years at Pomona College from 2006-2017 where she most recently served as professor and chair of anthropology and director of the Pacific Basin Institute at Pomona College as well as Dean of Women. Her research interests include gendered labor, human trafficking, migration, sexuality, human rights, transnational feminism, and public health in the context of changing global and political structures. She has published four single authored books and one edited volume in addition to numerous journal and news articles. She has been a fellow at the Social Sciences Research Council, the American Council on Learned Societies, Google Ideas, and the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. In 2018 she was appointed by Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper and re-appointed by Governor Jared Polis to serve on the Colorado Commission on Higher Education.</p><p>Negeen Moussavian is a Registered Associate Marriage and Family Therapist (#107771) working under the supervision of Curt Widhalm LMFT (#47333) in Encino, CA. She received her Master of Arts in Clinical Psychology with an emphasis in Marriage &amp; Family Therapy from Pepperdine University. She works with clients dealing with relationships, dating, infidelity, and trauma. Additionally, she works with Iranian-American clients on issues surrounding identity, generational trauma, and other culture specific topics. She implements a combination of holistic and traditional therapy practices, including EMDR therapy.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Current events in Iran as well as historical context</li>
<li>Liminality – the feeling of not belonging here or there</li>
<li>The importance of being informed</li>
<li>The uncertainty that can lead to fear and then to hate</li>
<li>The crushing tsunami wave of islamophobia that is coming in the United States</li>
<li>How significant events related to Iran impact Iranian-Americans</li>
<li>The dramatic changes within Iran</li>
<li>How therapists can help Iranian families to cope with the impacts of current events</li>
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      <title>We Can't Help Ourselves</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/we-cant-help-ourselves</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how difficult it is for therapists to take care of ourselves. We look at why we struggle with the self-care that we teach our clients, including shaming in our field, lack of connection to our shadow-self, and where we seek support.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Why the Giving Tree is a bad role model

Road blocks therapists put in their own way

Katie’s notion of Sacrificial Helping

The wounded healer concept

The reasons we do not take care of ourselves

How we define our value, especially related to the idea that our value is to help others

The harm of valuing productivity over all else

The search for meaning – what we do is meaningful to us

Volunteering on top of the work we do

The idea that you can be impacted by the therapy you do

The role that the shadow self plays

The strict, externalized parent and oppositionality

The shame for not “self-caring” enough or believing in the “right” form or health from our field

Burnout’s effect on decision-making

The lack of training on how to use the coping strategies on yourself

How to make decisions better about self-care as a therapist

Opening space for mistakes in our field

How relational therapies can be a solution for therapists who are grappling with their own stuff

Where to seek support (and where not to seek support)

Intention versus reactivity

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein
Lori Gottlieb, MFT
Irvin Yalom, MD
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers
 
Relevant Episodes:
 Self-Care, Self-Compassion, and Self-Awareness for Therapists
 Vulnerability, Mistakes, and The Imposter Syndrome
 The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists
Compassion Fatigue
Therapists in Therapy
Toxic Work Environments
Managing Vicarious Trauma
The Burnout System
Addressing the Burnout System
The Mental Load of Therapists
All Kinds of Burned Out
Impaired Therapists
Therapist Suicide
When is it Discrimination?
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>We Can't Help Ourselves</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how difficult self-care is for therapists</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how difficult it is for therapists to take care of ourselves. We look at why we struggle with the self-care that we teach our clients, including shaming in our field, lack of connection to our shadow-self, and where we seek support.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Why the Giving Tree is a bad role model

Road blocks therapists put in their own way

Katie’s notion of Sacrificial Helping

The wounded healer concept

The reasons we do not take care of ourselves

How we define our value, especially related to the idea that our value is to help others

The harm of valuing productivity over all else

The search for meaning – what we do is meaningful to us

Volunteering on top of the work we do

The idea that you can be impacted by the therapy you do

The role that the shadow self plays

The strict, externalized parent and oppositionality

The shame for not “self-caring” enough or believing in the “right” form or health from our field

Burnout’s effect on decision-making

The lack of training on how to use the coping strategies on yourself

How to make decisions better about self-care as a therapist

Opening space for mistakes in our field

How relational therapies can be a solution for therapists who are grappling with their own stuff

Where to seek support (and where not to seek support)

Intention versus reactivity

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein
Lori Gottlieb, MFT
Irvin Yalom, MD
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers
 
Relevant Episodes:
 Self-Care, Self-Compassion, and Self-Awareness for Therapists
 Vulnerability, Mistakes, and The Imposter Syndrome
 The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists
Compassion Fatigue
Therapists in Therapy
Toxic Work Environments
Managing Vicarious Trauma
The Burnout System
Addressing the Burnout System
The Mental Load of Therapists
All Kinds of Burned Out
Impaired Therapists
Therapist Suicide
When is it Discrimination?
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how difficult it is for therapists to take care of ourselves. We look at why we struggle with the self-care that we teach our clients, including shaming in our field, lack of connection to our shadow-self, and where we seek support.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Why the Giving Tree is a bad role model</li>
<li>Road blocks therapists put in their own way</li>
<li>Katie’s notion of Sacrificial Helping</li>
<li>The wounded healer concept</li>
<li>The reasons we do not take care of ourselves</li>
<li>How we define our value, especially related to the idea that our value is to help others</li>
<li>The harm of valuing productivity over all else</li>
<li>The search for meaning – what we do is meaningful to us</li>
<li>Volunteering on top of the work we do</li>
<li>The idea that you can be impacted by the therapy you do</li>
<li>The role that the shadow self plays</li>
<li>The strict, externalized parent and oppositionality</li>
<li>The shame for not “self-caring” enough or believing in the “right” form or health from our field</li>
<li>Burnout’s effect on decision-making</li>
<li>The lack of training on how to use the coping strategies on yourself</li>
<li>How to make decisions better about self-care as a therapist</li>
<li>Opening space for mistakes in our field</li>
<li>How relational therapies can be a solution for therapists who are grappling with their own stuff</li>
<li>Where to seek support (and where not to seek support)</li>
<li>Intention versus reactivity</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DB2QZPI/">The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein</a></p><p><a href="https://lorigottlieb.com/">Lori Gottlieb, MFT</a></p><p><a href="https://www.yalom.com/">Irvin Yalom, MD</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/become-a-speaker/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/self-care-self-compassion-and-self-awareness-for-therapists/"> Self-Care, Self-Compassion, and Self-Awareness for Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/vulnerability-mistakes-and-the-impostor-syndrome/"> Vulnerability, Mistakes, and The Imposter Syndrome</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-danger-of-poor-self-care-for-therapists/"> The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/compassion-fatigue/">Compassion Fatigue</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/therapists-in-therapy/">Therapists in Therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/toxic-work-environments/">Toxic Work Environments</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/managing-vicarious-trauma/">Managing Vicarious Trauma</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-burnout-system/">The Burnout System</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/addressing-the-burnout-machine/">Addressing the Burnout System</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-mental-load-of-therapists/">The Mental Load of Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/all-kinds-of-burned-out/">All Kinds of Burned Out</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/impaired-therapists/">Impaired Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/therapist-suicide/">Therapist Suicide</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/when-is-it-discrimination/">When is it Discrimination?</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Special Episode: Striking for the Future of Mental Healthcare</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/special-episode-striking-for-the-future-of-mental-healthcare</link>
      <description>Special Episode: Curt and Katie talk about the recent NUHW- Kaiser Permanente Mental Health Worker Strike. Katie interviews a National Union of Healthcare Workers representative, Dr. Kenneth Rogers. We then both reflect on the interview and a statement from Kaiser Permanente, especially related to the implications for the profession as a whole.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The implications of the strike for all mental healthcare workers

A statement from Kaiser Permanente

An interview with Dr. Kenneth Rogers, shop steward and member of the bargaining team for NUHW

The focus of the strike – looking at what the Union is requesting

What a shop steward is, how the union works, what the bargaining table looks like

The bureaucracy and distance that impacts the bargaining

The different perspectives of each side

The complexity of the decision making, the strategy of Kaiser Permanente

The possibilities that Katie sees related to state-of-the-art mental health services

The goal of transforming the model of care

The inefficiencies that lead to lower productivity, the focus needed to improve care

The positives in the current Kaiser proposal

The hope of coming together to work on the future of mental healthcare

The lack of parity in how mental healthcare workers are treated versus other professionals in Kaiser, looking at the perceived payment philosophy

NUHW goal for the mental health system of care – solely getting to the basic standard of care

The lack of trust between Kaiser and NUHW and the complexity of the decision-making

Rogers’ reflections on the survival guide tips and the impact of the strike on clinicians and patients, advice for the striking clinicians

The impact of Kaiser’s payment philosophy on other workplaces (Curt busting out some economic theory from Richard Thayler)

The importance of the union work on wages in other workplaces

Parity for mental health professionals and what that means for mental health parity

Call to action to stay informed, step up and advocacy

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
National Union of Healthcare Workers: NUHW
NUHW Facebook Page
Kaiser Don’t Deny
Union Representative Dr. Kenneth Rogers bio:
Kenneth Rogers, Psy.D. is a psychologist who has worked with the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group for the past 16 years. He has worked at the Fremont, Santa Clara, and Campbell Medical Centers in the past and currently works at the Elk Grove clinic near South Sacramento. He has been a shop steward for NUHW since its inception in 2009 and has been on the NUHW Executive Board since 2015. Dr. Rogers was a member of the 2010-2015 contract bargaining team and he remains a member of the current bargaining committee since July, 2018.
 Los Angeles Times Article
 The Kaiser Permanente ACE Study
Economic Theory: Nobel Prize Winning Economist Richard Thayler – Anomalies: Inter-industry Wage Differentials
 
Relevant Episodes:
Modern Therapists Strike Back
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Special Episode: Striking for the Future of Mental Healthcare</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the recent NUHW- Kaiser Permanente Mental Health Worker Strike</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Special Episode: Curt and Katie talk about the recent NUHW- Kaiser Permanente Mental Health Worker Strike. Katie interviews a National Union of Healthcare Workers representative, Dr. Kenneth Rogers. We then both reflect on the interview and a statement from Kaiser Permanente, especially related to the implications for the profession as a whole.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The implications of the strike for all mental healthcare workers

A statement from Kaiser Permanente

An interview with Dr. Kenneth Rogers, shop steward and member of the bargaining team for NUHW

The focus of the strike – looking at what the Union is requesting

What a shop steward is, how the union works, what the bargaining table looks like

The bureaucracy and distance that impacts the bargaining

The different perspectives of each side

The complexity of the decision making, the strategy of Kaiser Permanente

The possibilities that Katie sees related to state-of-the-art mental health services

The goal of transforming the model of care

The inefficiencies that lead to lower productivity, the focus needed to improve care

The positives in the current Kaiser proposal

The hope of coming together to work on the future of mental healthcare

The lack of parity in how mental healthcare workers are treated versus other professionals in Kaiser, looking at the perceived payment philosophy

NUHW goal for the mental health system of care – solely getting to the basic standard of care

The lack of trust between Kaiser and NUHW and the complexity of the decision-making

Rogers’ reflections on the survival guide tips and the impact of the strike on clinicians and patients, advice for the striking clinicians

The impact of Kaiser’s payment philosophy on other workplaces (Curt busting out some economic theory from Richard Thayler)

The importance of the union work on wages in other workplaces

Parity for mental health professionals and what that means for mental health parity

Call to action to stay informed, step up and advocacy

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
National Union of Healthcare Workers: NUHW
NUHW Facebook Page
Kaiser Don’t Deny
Union Representative Dr. Kenneth Rogers bio:
Kenneth Rogers, Psy.D. is a psychologist who has worked with the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group for the past 16 years. He has worked at the Fremont, Santa Clara, and Campbell Medical Centers in the past and currently works at the Elk Grove clinic near South Sacramento. He has been a shop steward for NUHW since its inception in 2009 and has been on the NUHW Executive Board since 2015. Dr. Rogers was a member of the 2010-2015 contract bargaining team and he remains a member of the current bargaining committee since July, 2018.
 Los Angeles Times Article
 The Kaiser Permanente ACE Study
Economic Theory: Nobel Prize Winning Economist Richard Thayler – Anomalies: Inter-industry Wage Differentials
 
Relevant Episodes:
Modern Therapists Strike Back
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Special Episode: Curt and Katie talk about the recent NUHW- Kaiser Permanente Mental Health Worker Strike. Katie interviews a National Union of Healthcare Workers representative, Dr. Kenneth Rogers. We then both reflect on the interview and a statement from Kaiser Permanente, especially related to the implications for the profession as a whole.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The implications of the strike for all mental healthcare workers</li>
<li>A statement from Kaiser Permanente</li>
<li>An interview with Dr. Kenneth Rogers, shop steward and member of the bargaining team for NUHW</li>
<li>The focus of the strike – looking at what the Union is requesting</li>
<li>What a shop steward is, how the union works, what the bargaining table looks like</li>
<li>The bureaucracy and distance that impacts the bargaining</li>
<li>The different perspectives of each side</li>
<li>The complexity of the decision making, the strategy of Kaiser Permanente</li>
<li>The possibilities that Katie sees related to state-of-the-art mental health services</li>
<li>The goal of transforming the model of care</li>
<li>The inefficiencies that lead to lower productivity, the focus needed to improve care</li>
<li>The positives in the current Kaiser proposal</li>
<li>The hope of coming together to work on the future of mental healthcare</li>
<li>The lack of parity in how mental healthcare workers are treated versus other professionals in Kaiser, looking at the perceived payment philosophy</li>
<li>NUHW goal for the mental health system of care – solely getting to the basic standard of care</li>
<li>The lack of trust between Kaiser and NUHW and the complexity of the decision-making</li>
<li>Rogers’ reflections on the survival guide tips and the impact of the strike on clinicians and patients, advice for the striking clinicians</li>
<li>The impact of Kaiser’s payment philosophy on other workplaces (Curt busting out some economic theory from Richard Thayler)</li>
<li>The importance of the union work on wages in other workplaces</li>
<li>Parity for mental health professionals and what that means for mental health parity</li>
<li>Call to action to stay informed, step up and advocacy</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://nuhw.org/">National Union of Healthcare Workers: NUHW</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/healthcareworkers/">NUHW Facebook Page</a></p><p><a href="https://nuhw.org/kaiser-dont-deny/">Kaiser Don’t Deny</a></p><p>Union Representative Dr. Kenneth Rogers bio:</p><p>Kenneth Rogers, Psy.D. is a psychologist who has worked with the Kaiser Permanente Medical Group for the past 16 years. He has worked at the Fremont, Santa Clara, and Campbell Medical Centers in the past and currently works at the Elk Grove clinic near South Sacramento. He has been a shop steward for NUHW since its inception in 2009 and has been on the NUHW Executive Board since 2015. Dr. Rogers was a member of the 2010-2015 contract bargaining team and he remains a member of the current bargaining committee since July, 2018.</p><p><a href="https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-12-16/kaiser-mental-health-treatment"> Los Angeles Times Article</a></p><p><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/childabuseandneglect/acestudy/about.html"> The Kaiser Permanente ACE Study</a></p><p><a href="https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.3.2.181">Economic Theory: Nobel Prize Winning Economist Richard Thayler – Anomalies: Inter-industry Wage Differentials</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-strike-back/">Modern Therapists Strike Back</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>A Living Wage for Prelicensees</title>
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      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the advocacy efforts to make paying prelicensed individuals a best practice. We talk about a statement recently approved by CAMFT, looking at the process, the implications, and a call to action.
In this episode we talk about:

A public statement approved at the most recent meeting of California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists

The supporting information that suggests that paying prelicensed individuals is a best practice of supervision

The importance of a living wage, benefits, and meaningful work

Curt’s journey in support of this statement

The ability (and the challenge) for each of us in these types of advocacy efforts.

The call to action to take this statement to your own professional organization

The type of push back to expect and how to address it

Laws and best practices versus implementation and accountability

Addressing bad actors and the goal of keeping good actors good

How a single voice can be silenced, but a movement can make a difference

The mission of the #therapymovement to leave our profession better

A second call to action for you to stand up and advocate for the necessary changes you see

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists
 The Public Board book from the December CAMFT board meeting (statement on pg. 204-206)
References:
Abel, J. R., Deitz, R., &amp; Su, Y. (2014) Are recent college graduates finding good jobs? Current Issues in Economics and Finance, 20(1). Available at SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=2378472
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA). (2014). Trauma Informed Care in Behavioral Health Service: Treatment Improvement Protocol (TIP) Series 57. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Rockville, MD.
Crain, A. (2016). Understanding the impact of unpaid internships on college student career development and employment outcomes. NACE Journal. Available at  https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/internships/exploring-the-implications-of-unpaidinternships/.
Eby, L. T., Burk, H., &amp; Maher, C. P. (2010). How serious of a problem is staff turnover in substance abuse treatment? A longitudinal study of actual turnover. Journal of Substance Abuse Treatment, 39, 264–271.
Hickman, B. (2014, July 23). What we learned exploring unpaid internships. Retrieved from  https://www.propublica.org/article/what-we-learned-investigating-unpaid-internships
Hoge, M. A., Morris, J. A., Daniels, A. S., Stuart, G. W., Huey, L. Y., &amp; Adams, N. (2007). An action plan for behavioral health workforce development. Annapolis Coalition on the Behavioral Health Workforce: Cincinnati, OH.
Knudsen, H. K., Johnson, J. A., &amp; Roman, P. M. (2003). Retaining counseling staff at substance abuse treatment centers: Effects of management practices. Journal of Substance Abuse Treatment, 24(2), 129- 135.
 
Relevant Episodes:
Defining the Therapy Movement
Trauma Informed Work Place
Joining Your Association
Modern Therapists Strike Back
Let’s Get Political
 Building Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists
The Fight to Save Psychotherapy
 Getting Personal to Advocate for Compassion, Understanding, and Social Justice
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>A Living Wage for Prelicensees</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the advocacy efforts to make paying prelicensed individuals a best practice. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the advocacy efforts to make paying prelicensed individuals a best practice. We talk about a statement recently approved by CAMFT, looking at the process, the implications, and a call to action.
In this episode we talk about:

A public statement approved at the most recent meeting of California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists

The supporting information that suggests that paying prelicensed individuals is a best practice of supervision

The importance of a living wage, benefits, and meaningful work

Curt’s journey in support of this statement

The ability (and the challenge) for each of us in these types of advocacy efforts.

The call to action to take this statement to your own professional organization

The type of push back to expect and how to address it

Laws and best practices versus implementation and accountability

Addressing bad actors and the goal of keeping good actors good

How a single voice can be silenced, but a movement can make a difference

The mission of the #therapymovement to leave our profession better

A second call to action for you to stand up and advocate for the necessary changes you see

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists
 The Public Board book from the December CAMFT board meeting (statement on pg. 204-206)
References:
Abel, J. R., Deitz, R., &amp; Su, Y. (2014) Are recent college graduates finding good jobs? Current Issues in Economics and Finance, 20(1). Available at SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=2378472
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA). (2014). Trauma Informed Care in Behavioral Health Service: Treatment Improvement Protocol (TIP) Series 57. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Rockville, MD.
Crain, A. (2016). Understanding the impact of unpaid internships on college student career development and employment outcomes. NACE Journal. Available at  https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/internships/exploring-the-implications-of-unpaidinternships/.
Eby, L. T., Burk, H., &amp; Maher, C. P. (2010). How serious of a problem is staff turnover in substance abuse treatment? A longitudinal study of actual turnover. Journal of Substance Abuse Treatment, 39, 264–271.
Hickman, B. (2014, July 23). What we learned exploring unpaid internships. Retrieved from  https://www.propublica.org/article/what-we-learned-investigating-unpaid-internships
Hoge, M. A., Morris, J. A., Daniels, A. S., Stuart, G. W., Huey, L. Y., &amp; Adams, N. (2007). An action plan for behavioral health workforce development. Annapolis Coalition on the Behavioral Health Workforce: Cincinnati, OH.
Knudsen, H. K., Johnson, J. A., &amp; Roman, P. M. (2003). Retaining counseling staff at substance abuse treatment centers: Effects of management practices. Journal of Substance Abuse Treatment, 24(2), 129- 135.
 
Relevant Episodes:
Defining the Therapy Movement
Trauma Informed Work Place
Joining Your Association
Modern Therapists Strike Back
Let’s Get Political
 Building Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists
The Fight to Save Psychotherapy
 Getting Personal to Advocate for Compassion, Understanding, and Social Justice
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about the advocacy efforts to make paying prelicensed individuals a best practice. We talk about a statement recently approved by CAMFT, looking at the process, the implications, and a call to action.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>A public statement approved at the most recent meeting of California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists</li>
<li>The supporting information that suggests that paying prelicensed individuals is a best practice of supervision</li>
<li>The importance of a living wage, benefits, and meaningful work</li>
<li>Curt’s journey in support of this statement</li>
<li>The ability (and the challenge) for each of us in these types of advocacy efforts.</li>
<li>The call to action to take this statement to your own professional organization</li>
<li>The type of push back to expect and how to address it</li>
<li>Laws and best practices versus implementation and accountability</li>
<li>Addressing bad actors and the goal of keeping good actors good</li>
<li>How a single voice can be silenced, but a movement can make a difference</li>
<li>The mission of the #therapymovement to leave our profession better</li>
<li>A second call to action for you to stand up and advocate for the necessary changes you see</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.camft.org/">California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://www.camft.org/Portals/0/PDFs/Board-Meetings/2019/public_board_book_december2019.pdf?ver=2019-11-25-115925-687"> The Public Board book from the December CAMFT board meeting (statement on pg. 204-206)</a></p><p>References:</p><p>Abel, J. R., Deitz, R., &amp; Su, Y. (2014) Are recent college graduates finding good jobs? Current Issues in Economics and Finance, 20(1). Available at SSRN: <a href="https://ssrn.com/abstract=2378472">https://ssrn.com/abstract=2378472</a></p><p>Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA). (2014). Trauma Informed Care in Behavioral Health Service: Treatment Improvement Protocol (TIP) Series 57. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Rockville, MD.</p><p>Crain, A. (2016). Understanding the impact of unpaid internships on college student career development and employment outcomes. NACE Journal. Available at <a href="https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/internships/exploring-the-implications-of-unpaidinternships/"> https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/internships/exploring-the-implications-of-unpaidinternships/</a>.</p><p>Eby, L. T., Burk, H., &amp; Maher, C. P. (2010). How serious of a problem is staff turnover in substance abuse treatment? A longitudinal study of actual turnover. Journal of Substance Abuse Treatment, 39, 264–271.</p><p>Hickman, B. (2014, July 23). What we learned exploring unpaid internships. Retrieved from <a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/what-we-learned-investigating-unpaid-internships"> https://www.propublica.org/article/what-we-learned-investigating-unpaid-internships</a></p><p>Hoge, M. A., Morris, J. A., Daniels, A. S., Stuart, G. W., Huey, L. Y., &amp; Adams, N. (2007). An action plan for behavioral health workforce development. Annapolis Coalition on the Behavioral Health Workforce: Cincinnati, OH.</p><p>Knudsen, H. K., Johnson, J. A., &amp; Roman, P. M. (2003). Retaining counseling staff at substance abuse treatment centers: Effects of management practices. Journal of Substance Abuse Treatment, 24(2), 129- 135.</p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/defining-the-therapy-movement/">Defining the Therapy Movement</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/trauma-informed-work-place/">Trauma Informed Work Place</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/joining-your-association/">Joining Your Association</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/modern-therapists-strike-back/">Modern Therapists Strike Back</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/lets-get-political/">Let’s Get Political</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/building-hope-for-the-next-generation-of-therapists/"> Building Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-fight-to-save-psychotherapy/">The Fight to Save Psychotherapy</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/getting-personal-to-advocate-for-compassion-understanding-and-social-justice/"> Getting Personal to Advocate for Compassion, Understanding, and Social Justice</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Get Paid to Speak</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/get-paid-to-speak</link>
      <description>An interview with Dr. Laura Louis, CEO of Couch to Podium, on how to move into public speaking as a therapist. We look at best practices, what therapists get wrong, and how to get started.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 Interview with Dr. Laura Louis, CEO of Couch to Podium.
Dr. Laura Louis is the founder of the Couch to Podium academy which consists of a Facebook community, Courses Retreats, Seminars and a Mastermind. Dr. Louis teaches therapists and counselors all about the business side of speaking. She was able to book over 40 speaking engagements last year alone AND build a steady stream of speaking engagements.
Dr. Louis has conducted over one hundred paid speaking engagements nationally and internationally. She has negotiated travel, and expenses along with $3000 speaking fees. Dr. Louis' clients have launched paid speaking gigs, developed retreats and launched programs. 
 Dr. Louis has been featured on NBC, has been asked to speak for the American Psychological Association Conference and The National Sales Conference. 
In this episode we talk about:

Laura’s program that teaches therapists how to move from doing therapy to booking paid speaking engagements

Speaking as an option to scale your business

The importance of you identifying your ideal client and what you teach them – that’s a talk

Identifying how to create the talk and who to pitch speaking to

Supporting your own dreams by being within a circle that is supportive

The benefit of getting unpaid experience in speaking (visibility, becoming comfortable, flowing through your talk, etc.)

Toastmasters as a great training ground

Building your list while speaking, so you can continue to support your audience after the talk

Social proof and understanding the experience – photos and videos – help you book speaking engagements

Monetizing your speaking through other offerings, back of room sales, licensing, etc.

Speaking to your target market to increase clients

Understanding how to assess what you can get out of speaking

Mindset changes needed to ask for pay or other benefits from speaking

Looking at the whole experience and benefits to determine whether you would like to take a speaking engagement

How to find paid speaking engagements

The need to adjust language to pitch to decision-making (pain points, solutions, without psycho-jargon)

The different types of applications, best practices

The differences between putting your own events on versus speaking for other people’s events

The ability to make money if you master the details of putting on your own live events

The need to understand sales and marketing to move forward with speaking

The time investment required when becoming a paid speaker

Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers
Couch to Podium website
 Couch to Podium Membership Program
 Dr. Louis’ Facebook Group: Paid to Speak (Mental Health Speakers Group)
Dr. Louis’ Facebook Page: Couch to Podium
Dr. Louis’ Instragram
Dr. Louis’ website: https://www.atlantacoupletherapy.com/
Dr. Louis’ training: https://drlouis.clickfunnels.com/booked-to-speak32977293
 Relevant Episodes:
Clinical Marketing
Beyond Selling the Couch
Open to Opportunity
So You Want to Plan a Conference
 
Connect with us:
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Get Paid to Speak</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Laura Louis CEO of Couch to Podium</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Dr. Laura Louis, CEO of Couch to Podium, on how to move into public speaking as a therapist. We look at best practices, what therapists get wrong, and how to get started.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 Interview with Dr. Laura Louis, CEO of Couch to Podium.
Dr. Laura Louis is the founder of the Couch to Podium academy which consists of a Facebook community, Courses Retreats, Seminars and a Mastermind. Dr. Louis teaches therapists and counselors all about the business side of speaking. She was able to book over 40 speaking engagements last year alone AND build a steady stream of speaking engagements.
Dr. Louis has conducted over one hundred paid speaking engagements nationally and internationally. She has negotiated travel, and expenses along with $3000 speaking fees. Dr. Louis' clients have launched paid speaking gigs, developed retreats and launched programs. 
 Dr. Louis has been featured on NBC, has been asked to speak for the American Psychological Association Conference and The National Sales Conference. 
In this episode we talk about:

Laura’s program that teaches therapists how to move from doing therapy to booking paid speaking engagements

Speaking as an option to scale your business

The importance of you identifying your ideal client and what you teach them – that’s a talk

Identifying how to create the talk and who to pitch speaking to

Supporting your own dreams by being within a circle that is supportive

The benefit of getting unpaid experience in speaking (visibility, becoming comfortable, flowing through your talk, etc.)

Toastmasters as a great training ground

Building your list while speaking, so you can continue to support your audience after the talk

Social proof and understanding the experience – photos and videos – help you book speaking engagements

Monetizing your speaking through other offerings, back of room sales, licensing, etc.

Speaking to your target market to increase clients

Understanding how to assess what you can get out of speaking

Mindset changes needed to ask for pay or other benefits from speaking

Looking at the whole experience and benefits to determine whether you would like to take a speaking engagement

How to find paid speaking engagements

The need to adjust language to pitch to decision-making (pain points, solutions, without psycho-jargon)

The different types of applications, best practices

The differences between putting your own events on versus speaking for other people’s events

The ability to make money if you master the details of putting on your own live events

The need to understand sales and marketing to move forward with speaking

The time investment required when becoming a paid speaker

Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers
Couch to Podium website
 Couch to Podium Membership Program
 Dr. Louis’ Facebook Group: Paid to Speak (Mental Health Speakers Group)
Dr. Louis’ Facebook Page: Couch to Podium
Dr. Louis’ Instragram
Dr. Louis’ website: https://www.atlantacoupletherapy.com/
Dr. Louis’ training: https://drlouis.clickfunnels.com/booked-to-speak32977293
 Relevant Episodes:
Clinical Marketing
Beyond Selling the Couch
Open to Opportunity
So You Want to Plan a Conference
 
Connect with us:
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Dr. Laura Louis, CEO of Couch to Podium, on how to move into public speaking as a therapist. We look at best practices, what therapists get wrong, and how to get started.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p> Interview with Dr. Laura Louis, CEO of Couch to Podium.</p><p>Dr. Laura Louis is the founder of the Couch to Podium academy which consists of a Facebook community, Courses Retreats, Seminars and a Mastermind. Dr. Louis teaches therapists and counselors all about the business side of speaking. She was able to book over 40 speaking engagements last year alone AND build a steady stream of speaking engagements.</p><p>Dr. Louis has conducted over one hundred paid speaking engagements nationally and internationally. She has negotiated travel, and expenses along with $3000 speaking fees. Dr. Louis' clients have launched paid speaking gigs, developed retreats and launched programs. </p><p> Dr. Louis has been featured on NBC, has been asked to speak for the American Psychological Association Conference and The National Sales Conference. </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Laura’s program that teaches therapists how to move from doing therapy to booking paid speaking engagements</li>
<li>Speaking as an option to scale your business</li>
<li>The importance of you identifying your ideal client and what you teach them – that’s a talk</li>
<li>Identifying how to create the talk and who to pitch speaking to</li>
<li>Supporting your own dreams by being within a circle that is supportive</li>
<li>The benefit of getting unpaid experience in speaking (visibility, becoming comfortable, flowing through your talk, etc.)</li>
<li>Toastmasters as a great training ground</li>
<li>Building your list while speaking, so you can continue to support your audience after the talk</li>
<li>Social proof and understanding the experience – photos and videos – help you book speaking engagements</li>
<li>Monetizing your speaking through other offerings, back of room sales, licensing, etc.</li>
<li>Speaking to your target market to increase clients</li>
<li>Understanding how to assess what you can get out of speaking</li>
<li>Mindset changes needed to ask for pay or other benefits from speaking</li>
<li>Looking at the whole experience and benefits to determine whether you would like to take a speaking engagement</li>
<li>How to find paid speaking engagements</li>
<li>The need to adjust language to pitch to decision-making (pain points, solutions, without psycho-jargon)</li>
<li>The different types of applications, best practices</li>
<li>The differences between putting your own events on versus speaking for other people’s events</li>
<li>The ability to make money if you master the details of putting on your own live events</li>
<li>The need to understand sales and marketing to move forward with speaking</li>
<li>The time investment required when becoming a paid speaker</li>
</ul><p>Relevant Resources:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/become-a-speaker/">Therapy Reimagined 2020 Call for Speakers</a></p><p><a href="https://www.couchtopodium.com/">Couch to Podium</a> website</p><p><a href="https://drlouis.clickfunnels.com/vsl?fbclid=IwAR3WE9yrYbOA0-JqaiLGQJP4Myk8jaG4DSM_Aycp1zs8rK75IyyfrYw46vo"> Couch to Podium Membership Program</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/mentalhealthspeakersll/?ref=pages_groups_card&amp;source_id=2296524017236535"> Dr. Louis’ Facebook Group: Paid to Speak</a> (Mental Health Speakers Group)</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/couchtopodium/">Dr. Louis’ Facebook Page: Couch to Podium</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/dr.lauralouis">Dr. Louis’ Instragram</a></p><p>Dr. Louis’ website: <a href="https://www.atlantacoupletherapy.com/">https://www.atlantacoupletherapy.com/</a></p><p>Dr. Louis’ training: <a href="https://drlouis.clickfunnels.com/booked-to-speak32977293">https://drlouis.clickfunnels.com/booked-to-speak32977293</a></p><p> Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/clinical-marketing/">Clinical Marketing</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/beyond-selling-the-couch/">Beyond Selling the Couch</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/open-to-opportunity/">Open to Opportunity</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/so-you-want-to-plan-a-conference/">So You Want to Plan a Conference</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us:</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Branding for Your Ideal Client</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/branding-for-your-ideal-client</link>
      <description>An interview with Kate Campbell, PhD, LMFT, and Katie Lemieux, LMFT from The Private Practice Startup. Curt and Katie talk with Kate and Katie about the differences between marketing and branding, what therapists should consider when developing their personal brand, and common mistakes therapists make.
 Interview with Kate and Katie from the Private Practice Startup
The Private Practice Startup is co-owned by Kate Campbell, PhD, LMFT and Katie Lemieux, LMFT. They’re two therapists with entrepreneurial spirits who are crazy about business, branding and marketing. They live, work and play in South Florida. 
They both built their 6-Figure private practices in less than 2 years from the ground up and inspire other ambitious mental health professionals to brand themselves, grow their dream private practices and live into their dream lifestyles. They have a hunger for business, branding and marketing.  
They love helping private practitioners work with the clients they love, profit more in business, and create the freedom to truly enjoy a lifestyle business.  
Kate is a food and wine aficionado who loves to travel and create new memories with her husband and son. She also loves the beach, pilates, riding horses, concerts, and of course the occasional “retail therapy”.
Thanks to Kate, Katie is a wine snob in the making. Katie is an avid pitbull lover and has 2 of her own, she loves travel, new and fun adventures, reading, the ID channel, Halloween, sparkles, taking pictures, random silly things, family time and taking time to just be.  
They are the creators of Private Practice Marketing E-Course and Coaching, provide FREE podcasts, and customizable  Attorney Approved Private Practice Paperwork for therapists. Visit PrivatePracticeStartup.com for more info!   
 
In this episode we talk about:

The shear number of Kate/Katies that Curt had to deal with on the episode.

The difference between marketing and branding

The importance of marketing in developing a business

Relationships, ownership as part of the branding process

How to stand out, become distinctive

What therapists should consider when developing a brand

How your unique selling proposition relates to the development of your branding and marketing

How therapists’ goals for their lifestyle and their individual picture impacts ideal client

Niche and saying no to the clients who are not in your wheel house

The challenge of being a generalist, fear of repelling too many clients

Why you need to have a brand that clearly inspires your ideal clients

The mistakes therapists often make in branding and connecting with your ideal clients

Clear planning, following up, and tracking for your marketing

Taking ownership of how you are perceived by your ideal clients

How brands evolve, especially as you add businesses, business partners, side hustles, etc.

How to become business partners and clarify how you work together

The mission, values, and operations ties to the brand

How your personal brand can be logistically experienced by the public (aka make sure you keep track of all of your websites)

 
Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Kate and Katie’s website = www.privatepracticestartup.com 
The A to Z Cheatsheet: Essentials for Building and Growing Your Dream Private Practice - https://a-z-cheat-sheet-download.gr8.com/
 Donald Miller – Building a StoryBrand: Clarify Your Message So Customers Will Listen
 Jeff Walker - Launch: An Internet Millionaire's Secret Formula to Sell Almost Anything Online, Build a Business You Love, and Live the Life of Your Dreams
Russell Brunson
Gary Vaynerchuck 
 Connect with us:
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Branding for Your Ideal Client</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Kate and Katie</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Kate Campbell, PhD, LMFT, and Katie Lemieux, LMFT from The Private Practice Startup. Curt and Katie talk with Kate and Katie about the differences between marketing and branding, what therapists should consider when developing their personal brand, and common mistakes therapists make.
 Interview with Kate and Katie from the Private Practice Startup
The Private Practice Startup is co-owned by Kate Campbell, PhD, LMFT and Katie Lemieux, LMFT. They’re two therapists with entrepreneurial spirits who are crazy about business, branding and marketing. They live, work and play in South Florida. 
They both built their 6-Figure private practices in less than 2 years from the ground up and inspire other ambitious mental health professionals to brand themselves, grow their dream private practices and live into their dream lifestyles. They have a hunger for business, branding and marketing.  
They love helping private practitioners work with the clients they love, profit more in business, and create the freedom to truly enjoy a lifestyle business.  
Kate is a food and wine aficionado who loves to travel and create new memories with her husband and son. She also loves the beach, pilates, riding horses, concerts, and of course the occasional “retail therapy”.
Thanks to Kate, Katie is a wine snob in the making. Katie is an avid pitbull lover and has 2 of her own, she loves travel, new and fun adventures, reading, the ID channel, Halloween, sparkles, taking pictures, random silly things, family time and taking time to just be.  
They are the creators of Private Practice Marketing E-Course and Coaching, provide FREE podcasts, and customizable  Attorney Approved Private Practice Paperwork for therapists. Visit PrivatePracticeStartup.com for more info!   
 
In this episode we talk about:

The shear number of Kate/Katies that Curt had to deal with on the episode.

The difference between marketing and branding

The importance of marketing in developing a business

Relationships, ownership as part of the branding process

How to stand out, become distinctive

What therapists should consider when developing a brand

How your unique selling proposition relates to the development of your branding and marketing

How therapists’ goals for their lifestyle and their individual picture impacts ideal client

Niche and saying no to the clients who are not in your wheel house

The challenge of being a generalist, fear of repelling too many clients

Why you need to have a brand that clearly inspires your ideal clients

The mistakes therapists often make in branding and connecting with your ideal clients

Clear planning, following up, and tracking for your marketing

Taking ownership of how you are perceived by your ideal clients

How brands evolve, especially as you add businesses, business partners, side hustles, etc.

How to become business partners and clarify how you work together

The mission, values, and operations ties to the brand

How your personal brand can be logistically experienced by the public (aka make sure you keep track of all of your websites)

 
Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Kate and Katie’s website = www.privatepracticestartup.com 
The A to Z Cheatsheet: Essentials for Building and Growing Your Dream Private Practice - https://a-z-cheat-sheet-download.gr8.com/
 Donald Miller – Building a StoryBrand: Clarify Your Message So Customers Will Listen
 Jeff Walker - Launch: An Internet Millionaire's Secret Formula to Sell Almost Anything Online, Build a Business You Love, and Live the Life of Your Dreams
Russell Brunson
Gary Vaynerchuck 
 Connect with us:
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Kate Campbell, PhD, LMFT, and Katie Lemieux, LMFT from The Private Practice Startup. Curt and Katie talk with Kate and Katie about the differences between marketing and branding, what therapists should consider when developing their personal brand, and common mistakes therapists make.</p><p> Interview with Kate and Katie from the Private Practice Startup</p><p>The Private Practice Startup is co-owned by Kate Campbell, PhD, LMFT and Katie Lemieux, LMFT. They’re two therapists with entrepreneurial spirits who are crazy about business, branding and marketing. They live, work and play in South Florida. </p><p>They both built their 6-Figure private practices in less than 2 years from the ground up and inspire other ambitious mental health professionals to brand themselves, grow their dream private practices and live into their dream lifestyles. They have a hunger for business, branding and marketing.  </p><p>They love helping private practitioners work with the clients they love, profit more in business, and create the freedom to truly enjoy a lifestyle business.  </p><p>Kate is a food and wine aficionado who loves to travel and create new memories with her husband and son. She also loves the beach, pilates, riding horses, concerts, and of course the occasional “retail therapy”.</p><p>Thanks to Kate, Katie is a wine snob in the making. Katie is an avid pitbull lover and has 2 of her own, she loves travel, new and fun adventures, reading, the ID channel, Halloween, sparkles, taking pictures, random silly things, family time and taking time to just be.  </p><p>They are the creators of <a href="https://marketing_course_interest.gr8.com/">Private Practice Marketing E-Course and Coaching</a>, provide <a href="https://www.privatepracticestartup.com/">FREE podcasts</a>, and customizable <a href="https://shop.privatepracticestartup.com/private-practice-paperwork/"> Attorney Approved Private Practice Paperwork</a> for therapists. Visit <a href="https://privatepracticestartup.com/">PrivatePracticeStartup.com</a> for more info!   </p><p> </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The shear number of Kate/Katies that Curt had to deal with on the episode.</li>
<li>The difference between marketing and branding</li>
<li>The importance of marketing in developing a business</li>
<li>Relationships, ownership as part of the branding process</li>
<li>How to stand out, become distinctive</li>
<li>What therapists should consider when developing a brand</li>
<li>How your unique selling proposition relates to the development of your branding and marketing</li>
<li>How therapists’ goals for their lifestyle and their individual picture impacts ideal client</li>
<li>Niche and saying no to the clients who are not in your wheel house</li>
<li>The challenge of being a generalist, fear of repelling too many clients</li>
<li>Why you need to have a brand that clearly inspires your ideal clients</li>
<li>The mistakes therapists often make in branding and connecting with your ideal clients</li>
<li>Clear planning, following up, and tracking for your marketing</li>
<li>Taking ownership of how you are perceived by your ideal clients</li>
<li>How brands evolve, especially as you add businesses, business partners, side hustles, etc.</li>
<li>How to become business partners and clarify how you work together</li>
<li>The mission, values, and operations ties to the brand</li>
<li>How your personal brand can be logistically experienced by the public (aka make sure you keep track of all of your websites)</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Relevant Resources:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:</p><p>Kate and Katie’s website = <a href="http://www.privatepracticestartup.com/">www.privatepracticestartup.com</a> </p><p>The A to Z Cheatsheet: Essentials for Building and Growing Your Dream Private Practice - <a href="https://a-z-cheat-sheet-download.gr8.com/">https://a-z-cheat-sheet-download.gr8.com/</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XFJ2JGR/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&amp;btkr=1"> Donald Miller – Building a StoryBrand: Clarify Your Message So Customers Will Listen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KXIME8U/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&amp;btkr=1"> Jeff Walker - Launch: An Internet Millionaire's Secret Formula to Sell Almost Anything Online, Build a Business You Love, and Live the Life of Your Dreams</a></p><p><a href="http://www.russellbrunson.com/hi">Russell Brunson</a></p><p><a href="https://www.garyvaynerchuk.com/">Gary Vaynerchuck </a></p><p> Connect with us:</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p><br></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>How to BE a Therapist</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/how-to-be-a-therapist</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about Person of the Therapist training. We talk about a revolutionary training model that starts with who a therapist is and what will come up for them as a therapist – rather than setting unreasonable expectations of blank, neutral, perfect therapists.          
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Person of the Therapist training – addressing the whole person therapist

The work of Dr. Harry Aponte at Drexel University

Looking at how pulling from your own history can impact how you approach the work in the room

The importance of finding your own personal themes and challenges, owning your own story

Innovative classes that start graduate programs with personal growth and insight

Normalizing reactions and individual differences from the beginning of our education

How close the line can be between education and therapy

The fallacy that therapists can be blank or neutral

The drive toward Evidence Based Practices

The depth of supervision that occurs when focusing on the person of the therapist

The problem of siloed areas of the field and how bringing it back into the same room

The vulnerability required for the depth of this work

The ability to increase maturity of the therapist more quickly through this type of work

The importance of structure and containment to do this type of work

Teaching self-awareness and self-monitoring

The power of building supportive community to do work more in the open, to decrease shame and perfectionism

Learning how to give respectful, structured, effective feedback – exercising your empathy muscle

How building resilience and connection can improve the profession as a whole

Increasing distress tolerance and capacity for taking feedback

Looking at the benefit of doing this work at all stages in your career

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Dr. Harry J Aponte
 Person of the Therapist Training Model by Dr. Harry Aponte
 Claudio &amp; Watson: Perceived impact of the Person of the Therapist Training model on Drexel University Master of Family Therapy postgraduates’ clinical work
 Kissil, Carneiro, &amp; Aponte: Beyond duality: The relationship between the personal and the professional selves of the therapist in the Person of the Therapist Training
 Watson: Doing it right: Branding the Person of the Therapist Training model in Drexel University’s Master of Family Therapy program
 Aponte &amp; Ingram: Person of the Therapist supervision: Reflections of a therapist and supervisor on empathic-identification and differentiation
 
 
Relevant Episodes:
Therapists in Therapy
Impaired Therapists
That’s Unethical
Therapist Haters and Trolls
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>How to BE a Therapist</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about Person of the Therapist training</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about Person of the Therapist training. We talk about a revolutionary training model that starts with who a therapist is and what will come up for them as a therapist – rather than setting unreasonable expectations of blank, neutral, perfect therapists.          
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Person of the Therapist training – addressing the whole person therapist

The work of Dr. Harry Aponte at Drexel University

Looking at how pulling from your own history can impact how you approach the work in the room

The importance of finding your own personal themes and challenges, owning your own story

Innovative classes that start graduate programs with personal growth and insight

Normalizing reactions and individual differences from the beginning of our education

How close the line can be between education and therapy

The fallacy that therapists can be blank or neutral

The drive toward Evidence Based Practices

The depth of supervision that occurs when focusing on the person of the therapist

The problem of siloed areas of the field and how bringing it back into the same room

The vulnerability required for the depth of this work

The ability to increase maturity of the therapist more quickly through this type of work

The importance of structure and containment to do this type of work

Teaching self-awareness and self-monitoring

The power of building supportive community to do work more in the open, to decrease shame and perfectionism

Learning how to give respectful, structured, effective feedback – exercising your empathy muscle

How building resilience and connection can improve the profession as a whole

Increasing distress tolerance and capacity for taking feedback

Looking at the benefit of doing this work at all stages in your career

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Dr. Harry J Aponte
 Person of the Therapist Training Model by Dr. Harry Aponte
 Claudio &amp; Watson: Perceived impact of the Person of the Therapist Training model on Drexel University Master of Family Therapy postgraduates’ clinical work
 Kissil, Carneiro, &amp; Aponte: Beyond duality: The relationship between the personal and the professional selves of the therapist in the Person of the Therapist Training
 Watson: Doing it right: Branding the Person of the Therapist Training model in Drexel University’s Master of Family Therapy program
 Aponte &amp; Ingram: Person of the Therapist supervision: Reflections of a therapist and supervisor on empathic-identification and differentiation
 
 
Relevant Episodes:
Therapists in Therapy
Impaired Therapists
That’s Unethical
Therapist Haters and Trolls
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about Person of the Therapist training. We talk about a revolutionary training model that starts with who a therapist is and what will come up for them as a therapist – rather than setting unreasonable expectations of blank, neutral, perfect therapists.          </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Person of the Therapist training – addressing the whole person therapist</li>
<li>The work of Dr. Harry Aponte at Drexel University</li>
<li>Looking at how pulling from your own history can impact how you approach the work in the room</li>
<li>The importance of finding your own personal themes and challenges, owning your own story</li>
<li>Innovative classes that start graduate programs with personal growth and insight</li>
<li>Normalizing reactions and individual differences from the beginning of our education</li>
<li>How close the line can be between education and therapy</li>
<li>The fallacy that therapists can be blank or neutral</li>
<li>The drive toward Evidence Based Practices</li>
<li>The depth of supervision that occurs when focusing on the person of the therapist</li>
<li>The problem of siloed areas of the field and how bringing it back into the same room</li>
<li>The vulnerability required for the depth of this work</li>
<li>The ability to increase maturity of the therapist more quickly through this type of work</li>
<li>The importance of structure and containment to do this type of work</li>
<li>Teaching self-awareness and self-monitoring</li>
<li>The power of building supportive community to do work more in the open, to decrease shame and perfectionism</li>
<li>Learning how to give respectful, structured, effective feedback – exercising your empathy muscle</li>
<li>How building resilience and connection can improve the profession as a whole</li>
<li>Increasing distress tolerance and capacity for taking feedback</li>
<li>Looking at the benefit of doing this work at all stages in your career</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://harryjaponte.com/">Dr. Harry J Aponte</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/313850576_The_Person_of_the_Therapist_Training_Model"> Person of the Therapist Training Model by Dr. Harry Aponte</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08975353.2018.1416236"> Claudio &amp; Watson: Perceived impact of the Person of the Therapist Training model on Drexel University Master of Family Therapy postgraduates’ clinical work</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08975353.2018.1416244"> Kissil, Carneiro, &amp; Aponte: Beyond duality: The relationship between the personal and the professional selves of the therapist in the Person of the Therapist Training</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08975353.2018.1416179"> Watson: Doing it right: Branding the Person of the Therapist Training model in Drexel University’s Master of Family Therapy program</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08975353.2018.1416233"> Aponte &amp; Ingram: Person of the Therapist supervision: Reflections of a therapist and supervisor on empathic-identification and differentiation</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/therapists-in-therapy/">Therapists in Therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/impaired-therapists/">Impaired Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/thats-unethical/">That’s Unethical</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/therapist-haters-and-trolls/">Therapist Haters and Trolls</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Making Access More Affordable</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/making-access-more-affordable</link>
      <description>An interview with Michael Blumberg, LCPC, about mental health care as a basic human right. Curt and Katie talk with Michael about the tension between access and therapist financial stability. We look at ideas to support access while being thoughtful about your own financial needs.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 Interview with Michael Blumberg, LCPC
Michael Blumberg is a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor and group practice owner in the Chicago suburb of Glenview. Michael founded and manages Glenview Counseling Group, a multi-disciplinary psychotherapy group practice, where he treats clients with OCD &amp; complex anxiety and manages the daily operations of the practice. Michael also co-founded a business focused solely on the business aspects of group practice ownership called Group Practice Builders with his friend and colleague Maureen Werrbach. Together they plan and facilitate an annual conference called the Group Practice Owners Summit which draws attendees from across the US and abroad.
 
In this episode we talk about:

How Michael defines Mental Health Care as a Human Right

The idea that all people, regardless of ability to pay, have the right to be emotionally and psychologically well

Pushing back against mental health and wellness as an extravagance

The conflict between access and running a private practice

The concern that if this is a human right, clinicians might be conscripted into service

If large organizations can’t make access available, how can small therapy practices do anything?

Ideas for how small therapy practices can make a difference in providing mental health access

How to make the choices in how much you make, how you increase access

The importance of individuals making these decisions for themselves based on their own needs.

Advocacy as another way to increase access and work in prevention

The tension between access and time or financial stability for individual clinicians

The Starfish Thrower

How the education system promotes sacrifice by the therapist

Do what YOU can do and be thoughtful about it

How to get creative and dismiss preconceived notions of what SHOULD be done

The balancing act if you open yourself to the idea that you should personally provide access

How these principles fit into the #moderntherapist ideas</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Making Access More Affordable</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Michael Blumberg, LCPC</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Michael Blumberg, LCPC, about mental health care as a basic human right. Curt and Katie talk with Michael about the tension between access and therapist financial stability. We look at ideas to support access while being thoughtful about your own financial needs.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 Interview with Michael Blumberg, LCPC
Michael Blumberg is a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor and group practice owner in the Chicago suburb of Glenview. Michael founded and manages Glenview Counseling Group, a multi-disciplinary psychotherapy group practice, where he treats clients with OCD &amp; complex anxiety and manages the daily operations of the practice. Michael also co-founded a business focused solely on the business aspects of group practice ownership called Group Practice Builders with his friend and colleague Maureen Werrbach. Together they plan and facilitate an annual conference called the Group Practice Owners Summit which draws attendees from across the US and abroad.
 
In this episode we talk about:

How Michael defines Mental Health Care as a Human Right

The idea that all people, regardless of ability to pay, have the right to be emotionally and psychologically well

Pushing back against mental health and wellness as an extravagance

The conflict between access and running a private practice

The concern that if this is a human right, clinicians might be conscripted into service

If large organizations can’t make access available, how can small therapy practices do anything?

Ideas for how small therapy practices can make a difference in providing mental health access

How to make the choices in how much you make, how you increase access

The importance of individuals making these decisions for themselves based on their own needs.

Advocacy as another way to increase access and work in prevention

The tension between access and time or financial stability for individual clinicians

The Starfish Thrower

How the education system promotes sacrifice by the therapist

Do what YOU can do and be thoughtful about it

How to get creative and dismiss preconceived notions of what SHOULD be done

The balancing act if you open yourself to the idea that you should personally provide access

How these principles fit into the #moderntherapist ideas</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Michael Blumberg, LCPC, about mental health care as a basic human right. Curt and Katie talk with Michael about the tension between access and therapist financial stability. We look at ideas to support access while being thoughtful about your own financial needs.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p> Interview with Michael Blumberg, LCPC</p><p>Michael Blumberg is a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor and group practice owner in the Chicago suburb of Glenview. Michael founded and manages Glenview Counseling Group, a multi-disciplinary psychotherapy group practice, where he treats clients with OCD &amp; complex anxiety and manages the daily operations of the practice. Michael also co-founded a business focused solely on the business aspects of group practice ownership called Group Practice Builders with his friend and colleague Maureen Werrbach. Together they plan and facilitate an annual conference called the Group Practice Owners Summit which draws attendees from across the US and abroad.</p><p> </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How Michael defines Mental Health Care as a Human Right</li>
<li>The idea that all people, regardless of ability to pay, have the right to be emotionally and psychologically well</li>
<li>Pushing back against mental health and wellness as an extravagance</li>
<li>The conflict between access and running a private practice</li>
<li>The concern that if this is a human right, clinicians might be conscripted into service</li>
<li>If large organizations can’t make access available, how can small therapy practices do anything?</li>
<li>Ideas for how small therapy practices can make a difference in providing mental health access</li>
<li>How to make the choices in how much you make, how you increase access</li>
<li>The importance of individuals making these decisions for themselves based on their own needs.</li>
<li>Advocacy as another way to increase access and work in prevention</li>
<li>The tension between access and time or financial stability for individual clinicians</li>
<li>The Starfish Thrower</li>
<li>How the education system promotes sacrifice by the therapist</li>
<li>Do what YOU can do and be thoughtful about it</li>
<li>How to get creative and dismiss preconceived notions of what SHOULD be done</li>
<li>The balancing act if you open yourself to the idea that you should personally provide access</li>
<li>How these principles fit into the #moderntherapist ideas</li>
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      <title>Therapist Suicide</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapist-suicide</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about a recent news story related to Dr. Gregory Eells, the Executive Director of the Counseling and Psychological Services at University of Pennsylvania, who died by suicide in September 2019. We talk about how the understanding of risk factors, the changing face of our profession, and calls for self-care are insufficient to address the mental health needs of mental health professionals.          
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Therapist death by suicide

The life and work of Dr. Gregory Eells

The risk factors for therapist suicide: our own mental health concerns, highly challenging our work is, the changing work environments, burnout and isolation.

The insufficiency of “self-care” as a solution and what it infers about the mental health professionals who are unable to employ it

The systemic issues leading to poor mental health in the professionals

University counseling centers – the increasing percentage utilization, a look at how access and services have been affected

How new legislation that could improve the situation is still insufficient

A call for early intervention, comprehensive services

How caseloads are impacted by limiting services to clients with the highest level of need

Moral injury in addition to “burnout”

Suggested solutions for individuals and for systems

The importance of assessing capacity and need

What types of things to assess: (culture, demographics, etc.)

Getting creative, while assessing true capacity (time, energy, personnel, space, mental/emotional, sustainability of effort)

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Your Tango Article: Head of UPenn’s Mental Health Services Dies By Suicide
Psychologist suicide: Incidence, impact, and suggestions for prevention, intervention, and postvention
Dr. Eells’ TEDx talk on Resilience
 Center for Collegiate Mental Health, 2015 Annual Report
 AUCCCD Survey 2018
 Who helps the caregiver? Penn counselor’s suicide highlights how experts aren’t immune from struggles
It’s Not Burnout, It’s Moral Injury by Dr. Zubin Damania
 Center for Collegiate Mental Health 2018 – Clinical Load Index
 Penn Today: A Conversation with new CAPS Director Gregory Eells
 
Relevant Episodes:
The Burnout System
Addressing the Burnout System
All Kinds of Burned Out
Impaired Therapists
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Therapist Suicide</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie discuss the news of the death of Dr. Gregory Eells from UPenn</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about a recent news story related to Dr. Gregory Eells, the Executive Director of the Counseling and Psychological Services at University of Pennsylvania, who died by suicide in September 2019. We talk about how the understanding of risk factors, the changing face of our profession, and calls for self-care are insufficient to address the mental health needs of mental health professionals.          
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Therapist death by suicide

The life and work of Dr. Gregory Eells

The risk factors for therapist suicide: our own mental health concerns, highly challenging our work is, the changing work environments, burnout and isolation.

The insufficiency of “self-care” as a solution and what it infers about the mental health professionals who are unable to employ it

The systemic issues leading to poor mental health in the professionals

University counseling centers – the increasing percentage utilization, a look at how access and services have been affected

How new legislation that could improve the situation is still insufficient

A call for early intervention, comprehensive services

How caseloads are impacted by limiting services to clients with the highest level of need

Moral injury in addition to “burnout”

Suggested solutions for individuals and for systems

The importance of assessing capacity and need

What types of things to assess: (culture, demographics, etc.)

Getting creative, while assessing true capacity (time, energy, personnel, space, mental/emotional, sustainability of effort)

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Your Tango Article: Head of UPenn’s Mental Health Services Dies By Suicide
Psychologist suicide: Incidence, impact, and suggestions for prevention, intervention, and postvention
Dr. Eells’ TEDx talk on Resilience
 Center for Collegiate Mental Health, 2015 Annual Report
 AUCCCD Survey 2018
 Who helps the caregiver? Penn counselor’s suicide highlights how experts aren’t immune from struggles
It’s Not Burnout, It’s Moral Injury by Dr. Zubin Damania
 Center for Collegiate Mental Health 2018 – Clinical Load Index
 Penn Today: A Conversation with new CAPS Director Gregory Eells
 
Relevant Episodes:
The Burnout System
Addressing the Burnout System
All Kinds of Burned Out
Impaired Therapists
 
Connect with us!
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about a recent news story related to Dr. Gregory Eells, the Executive Director of the Counseling and Psychological Services at University of Pennsylvania, who died by suicide in September 2019. We talk about how the understanding of risk factors, the changing face of our profession, and calls for self-care are insufficient to address the mental health needs of mental health professionals.          </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Therapist death by suicide</li>
<li>The life and work of Dr. Gregory Eells</li>
<li>The risk factors for therapist suicide: our own mental health concerns, highly challenging our work is, the changing work environments, burnout and isolation.</li>
<li>The insufficiency of “self-care” as a solution and what it infers about the mental health professionals who are unable to employ it</li>
<li>The systemic issues leading to poor mental health in the professionals</li>
<li>University counseling centers – the increasing percentage utilization, a look at how access and services have been affected</li>
<li>How new legislation that could improve the situation is still insufficient</li>
<li>A call for early intervention, comprehensive services</li>
<li>How caseloads are impacted by limiting services to clients with the highest level of need</li>
<li>Moral injury in addition to “burnout”</li>
<li>Suggested solutions for individuals and for systems</li>
<li>The importance of assessing capacity and need</li>
<li>What types of things to assess: (culture, demographics, etc.)</li>
<li>Getting creative, while assessing true capacity (time, energy, personnel, space, mental/emotional, sustainability of effort)</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.yourtango.com/2019328019/who-gregory-eells-new-details-death-head-mental-health-services-university-pennsylvania"> Your Tango Article: Head of UPenn’s Mental Health Services Dies By Suicide</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3124780/">Psychologist suicide: Incidence, impact, and suggestions for prevention, intervention, and postvention</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLzVJVM1BUc&amp;feature=youtu.be">Dr. Eells’ TEDx talk on Resilience</a></p><p><a href="https://ccmh.psu.edu/files/2017/10/2015_CCMH_Report_1-18-2015-yq3vik.pdf"> Center for Collegiate Mental Health, 2015 Annual Report</a></p><p><a href="https://www.aucccd.org/assets/documents/Survey/2018%20AUCCCD%20Survey-Public-June%2012-FINAL.pdf"> AUCCCD Survey 2018</a></p><p><a href="https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2376934001?__twitter_impression=true"> Who helps the caregiver? Penn counselor’s suicide highlights how experts aren’t immune from struggles</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_1PNZdHq6Q">It’s Not Burnout, It’s Moral Injury by Dr. Zubin Damania</a></p><p><a href="https://ccmh.shinyapps.io/CLI-app/_w_ec94391d/Clinical%20Load%20Index%20(CLI)%20Whitepaper.pdf"> Center for Collegiate Mental Health 2018 – Clinical Load Index</a></p><p><a href="https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/conversation-new-caps-director-greg-eells"> Penn Today: A Conversation with new CAPS Director Gregory Eells</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-burnout-system/">The Burnout System</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/addressing-the-burnout-machine/">Addressing the Burnout System</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/all-kinds-of-burned-out/">All Kinds of Burned Out</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/impaired-therapists/">Impaired Therapists</a></p><p> </p><p>Connect with us!</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.app/app/form/2019-follow-up-webform?cookieUUID=1e05c61f-c396-438f-8430-816f0bb18ad3"> Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>SEO Guide for Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/seo-guide-for-therapists</link>
      <description>An interview with Dr. Rachna Jain, of Profitable Popularity, talks with Curt and Katie about SEO best practices as well as things to consider when deciding what level of SEO to employ. We also look at how to proactively protect your online reputation and how to repair it.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 Interview with Dr. Rachna Jain
Dr. Rachna Jain is a clinical psychologist and internet marketing expert who helps service professionals attract new clients from the internet. Her company offers website design, search engine optimization, and other marketing support for therapists- whether they want to build a thriving local practice or a bigger, national platform.
Rachna has been quoted in more than 500 major media publications, including Fortune Small Business, Entrepreneur Magazine, The Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, has guested on NPR and other top radio, and has also appeared on NBC's Today Show. The author of five books, she is additionally an avid jewelry artist and digital photographer. Her jewelry and photography have been sold nationally. She can be reached at ProfitablePopularity.com.
 In this episode we talk about:

How Rachna got into SEO

The differences that need to be considered in creating an online presence when you’re a therapist versus other service-based businesses

The importance of specialization

How to decide whether you should do your own SEO

The risk of getting a negative review and the importance of knowing what to monitor

How SEO has changed, how the internet has changed

The difference between organic and paid rankings, the current challenges in getting highly ranked organically

Right-sizing your SEO efforts, setting reasonable expectations

The reasons to avoid doing SEO when you’re a new business

Why to get SEO: capacity, client retention capability, and high enough fee for ROI

Things that positively impact ratings on google

Pros and Cons of blogging

Strategies for reputation management: Own your google results for your name

Addressing Yelp (a high authority site)

Reputation repair strategies

Building profiles at least as place holders to manage reputation

Where to invest money on online marketing (and where not to)

The problem of the wrong visibility

How much time to spend on SEO each week, decision-making on doing SEO or outsourcing

When people can shift from looking locally to creating a larger platform (or aim toward thought leadership)

What you need to launch a larger platform</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>SEO Guide for Therapists</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Dr. Rachna Jain</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Dr. Rachna Jain, of Profitable Popularity, talks with Curt and Katie about SEO best practices as well as things to consider when deciding what level of SEO to employ. We also look at how to proactively protect your online reputation and how to repair it.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
 Interview with Dr. Rachna Jain
Dr. Rachna Jain is a clinical psychologist and internet marketing expert who helps service professionals attract new clients from the internet. Her company offers website design, search engine optimization, and other marketing support for therapists- whether they want to build a thriving local practice or a bigger, national platform.
Rachna has been quoted in more than 500 major media publications, including Fortune Small Business, Entrepreneur Magazine, The Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, has guested on NPR and other top radio, and has also appeared on NBC's Today Show. The author of five books, she is additionally an avid jewelry artist and digital photographer. Her jewelry and photography have been sold nationally. She can be reached at ProfitablePopularity.com.
 In this episode we talk about:

How Rachna got into SEO

The differences that need to be considered in creating an online presence when you’re a therapist versus other service-based businesses

The importance of specialization

How to decide whether you should do your own SEO

The risk of getting a negative review and the importance of knowing what to monitor

How SEO has changed, how the internet has changed

The difference between organic and paid rankings, the current challenges in getting highly ranked organically

Right-sizing your SEO efforts, setting reasonable expectations

The reasons to avoid doing SEO when you’re a new business

Why to get SEO: capacity, client retention capability, and high enough fee for ROI

Things that positively impact ratings on google

Pros and Cons of blogging

Strategies for reputation management: Own your google results for your name

Addressing Yelp (a high authority site)

Reputation repair strategies

Building profiles at least as place holders to manage reputation

Where to invest money on online marketing (and where not to)

The problem of the wrong visibility

How much time to spend on SEO each week, decision-making on doing SEO or outsourcing

When people can shift from looking locally to creating a larger platform (or aim toward thought leadership)

What you need to launch a larger platform</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Dr. Rachna Jain, of Profitable Popularity, talks with Curt and Katie about SEO best practices as well as things to consider when deciding what level of SEO to employ. We also look at how to proactively protect your online reputation and how to repair it.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p> Interview with Dr. Rachna Jain</p><p>Dr. Rachna Jain is a clinical psychologist and internet marketing expert who helps service professionals attract new clients from the internet. Her company offers website design, search engine optimization, and other marketing support for therapists- whether they want to build a thriving local practice or a bigger, national platform.</p><p>Rachna has been quoted in more than 500 major media publications, including Fortune Small Business, Entrepreneur Magazine, The Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, has guested on NPR and other top radio, and has also appeared on NBC's Today Show. The author of five books, she is additionally an avid jewelry artist and digital photographer. Her jewelry and photography have been sold nationally. She can be reached at <a href="https://www.profitablepopularity.com/">ProfitablePopularity.com</a>.</p><p> In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How Rachna got into SEO</li>
<li>The differences that need to be considered in creating an online presence when you’re a therapist versus other service-based businesses</li>
<li>The importance of specialization</li>
<li>How to decide whether you should do your own SEO</li>
<li>The risk of getting a negative review and the importance of knowing what to monitor</li>
<li>How SEO has changed, how the internet has changed</li>
<li>The difference between organic and paid rankings, the current challenges in getting highly ranked organically</li>
<li>Right-sizing your SEO efforts, setting reasonable expectations</li>
<li>The reasons to avoid doing SEO when you’re a new business</li>
<li>Why to get SEO: capacity, client retention capability, and high enough fee for ROI</li>
<li>Things that positively impact ratings on google</li>
<li>Pros and Cons of blogging</li>
<li>Strategies for reputation management: Own your google results for your name</li>
<li>Addressing Yelp (a high authority site)</li>
<li>Reputation repair strategies</li>
<li>Building profiles at least as place holders to manage reputation</li>
<li>Where to invest money on online marketing (and where not to)</li>
<li>The problem of the wrong visibility</li>
<li>How much time to spend on SEO each week, decision-making on doing SEO or outsourcing</li>
<li>When people can shift from looking locally to creating a larger platform (or aim toward thought leadership)</li>
<li>What you need to launch a larger platform</li>
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      <title>Defining the Therapy Movement</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/defining-the-therapy-movement</link>
      <description>Live Podcast: Curt and Katie are live at Therapy Reimagined 2019. We talk about what the #therapymovement aspires to accomplish. We talk about the broken educational system, the need for a livable wage, the ways we can improve our profession, and stronger ways that we can show up for our clients.          
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The origin story of the #therapymovement

What needs to be changed in our profession

The conversations we are having and need to continue having

Conversations with #moderntherapists about education and therapist-ways-of-being

How continuing education needs to shift to support the actual job

The difference between what graduate programs teach and what the work actually looks like

What do we do to improve the profession?

The importance of a livable wage

#postthepay

The threat on our scope of practice if we don’t have adequate numbers

The need to improve the quality of the therapists that come out of the educational system

The importance of getting new voices into the conversation

Looking at what therapy has been versus what therapy can be

How to step into leadership in this #therapymovement

The way to effect change, both in our office and the world

The importance of being present to help keep our clients alive

Now what?</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Defining the Therapy Movement</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Live Podcast at Therapy Reimagined 2019</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Live Podcast: Curt and Katie are live at Therapy Reimagined 2019. We talk about what the #therapymovement aspires to accomplish. We talk about the broken educational system, the need for a livable wage, the ways we can improve our profession, and stronger ways that we can show up for our clients.          
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The origin story of the #therapymovement

What needs to be changed in our profession

The conversations we are having and need to continue having

Conversations with #moderntherapists about education and therapist-ways-of-being

How continuing education needs to shift to support the actual job

The difference between what graduate programs teach and what the work actually looks like

What do we do to improve the profession?

The importance of a livable wage

#postthepay

The threat on our scope of practice if we don’t have adequate numbers

The need to improve the quality of the therapists that come out of the educational system

The importance of getting new voices into the conversation

Looking at what therapy has been versus what therapy can be

How to step into leadership in this #therapymovement

The way to effect change, both in our office and the world

The importance of being present to help keep our clients alive

Now what?</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Live Podcast: Curt and Katie are live at Therapy Reimagined 2019. We talk about what the #therapymovement aspires to accomplish. We talk about the broken educational system, the need for a livable wage, the ways we can improve our profession, and stronger ways that we can show up for our clients.          </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The origin story of the #therapymovement</li>
<li>What needs to be changed in our profession</li>
<li>The conversations we are having and need to continue having</li>
<li>Conversations with #moderntherapists about education and therapist-ways-of-being</li>
<li>How continuing education needs to shift to support the actual job</li>
<li>The difference between what graduate programs teach and what the work actually looks like</li>
<li>What do we do to improve the profession?</li>
<li>The importance of a livable wage</li>
<li>#postthepay</li>
<li>The threat on our scope of practice if we don’t have adequate numbers</li>
<li>The need to improve the quality of the therapists that come out of the educational system</li>
<li>The importance of getting new voices into the conversation</li>
<li>Looking at what therapy has been versus what therapy can be</li>
<li>How to step into leadership in this #therapymovement</li>
<li>The way to effect change, both in our office and the world</li>
<li>The importance of being present to help keep our clients alive</li>
<li>Now what?</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Impaired Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/impaired-therapists</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about therapists who become impaired – by substance abuse, cognitive decline, their own mental health concerns, burnout, etc. The challenges of addressing impaired therapists given the ethics codes, the lack of effective means to make complaints, and the difficulty in finding effective solutions.        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The definition of Impaired Therapist

The lack of recent research on the topic

The types of impairment: substance abuse, cognitive decline, mental health concerns, burnout

Why and how therapists can become impaired

Looking at how therapists are more likely to have these impairments

The responsibilities and challenges of observing impairment of others (especially depending on the role, supervisor, supervisee, colleague)

The ethical responsibility to pay attention to your own potential impairment

The challenge of making a complaint related to an impaired therapist

Looking at the ethics code, with the responsibility to approach impaired colleague first

How the interaction in the Facebook groups is not necessarily taking care of this responsibility well.

The harm of shaming therapists – and the importance of supporting each other

The impact of the power differential on having these difficult conversations

The negative impacts on clients and treatment team members from impaired therapists

What is the difference between impaired therapists and bad therapy?

The importance of the response and introspection related to impairment

What we’re supposed to do when we identify an impaired colleague, supervisor, or supervisee

Who are the gatekeepers? Why is it important?

A strange foray into the thoughts on vigilante therapists and the #cardigancartel</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Impaired Therapists</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about therapists who become impaired by substance abuse, cognitive decline, their own mental health concerns, burnout</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about therapists who become impaired – by substance abuse, cognitive decline, their own mental health concerns, burnout, etc. The challenges of addressing impaired therapists given the ethics codes, the lack of effective means to make complaints, and the difficulty in finding effective solutions.        
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The definition of Impaired Therapist

The lack of recent research on the topic

The types of impairment: substance abuse, cognitive decline, mental health concerns, burnout

Why and how therapists can become impaired

Looking at how therapists are more likely to have these impairments

The responsibilities and challenges of observing impairment of others (especially depending on the role, supervisor, supervisee, colleague)

The ethical responsibility to pay attention to your own potential impairment

The challenge of making a complaint related to an impaired therapist

Looking at the ethics code, with the responsibility to approach impaired colleague first

How the interaction in the Facebook groups is not necessarily taking care of this responsibility well.

The harm of shaming therapists – and the importance of supporting each other

The impact of the power differential on having these difficult conversations

The negative impacts on clients and treatment team members from impaired therapists

What is the difference between impaired therapists and bad therapy?

The importance of the response and introspection related to impairment

What we’re supposed to do when we identify an impaired colleague, supervisor, or supervisee

Who are the gatekeepers? Why is it important?

A strange foray into the thoughts on vigilante therapists and the #cardigancartel</itunes:summary>
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<li>The definition of Impaired Therapist</li>
<li>The lack of recent research on the topic</li>
<li>The types of impairment: substance abuse, cognitive decline, mental health concerns, burnout</li>
<li>Why and how therapists can become impaired</li>
<li>Looking at how therapists are more likely to have these impairments</li>
<li>The responsibilities and challenges of observing impairment of others (especially depending on the role, supervisor, supervisee, colleague)</li>
<li>The ethical responsibility to pay attention to your own potential impairment</li>
<li>The challenge of making a complaint related to an impaired therapist</li>
<li>Looking at the ethics code, with the responsibility to approach impaired colleague first</li>
<li>How the interaction in the Facebook groups is not necessarily taking care of this responsibility well.</li>
<li>The harm of shaming therapists – and the importance of supporting each other</li>
<li>The impact of the power differential on having these difficult conversations</li>
<li>The negative impacts on clients and treatment team members from impaired therapists</li>
<li>What is the difference between impaired therapists and bad therapy?</li>
<li>The importance of the response and introspection related to impairment</li>
<li>What we’re supposed to do when we identify an impaired colleague, supervisor, or supervisee</li>
<li>Who are the gatekeepers? Why is it important?</li>
<li>A strange foray into the thoughts on vigilante therapists and the #cardigancartel</li>
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      <title>Donald Trump in Therapy</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/donald-trump-in-therapy</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how politics have started coming into the therapy room. We look at how the election of Donald Trump seemed to increase clients (and therapists) actively bringing world events into the therapeutic work.       
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The shift from avoiding politics, religion, etc. in therapy to having it be central in therapy conversations

How Donald Trump’s presidency (and the impacts of his administration) show up in the room

What can happen when therapists share their political views with their clients

The fear, trauma, and grief that has become more present in the conversations about the world at large

How an informed client population means that therapists need to be aware of both the events and the potential impacts on individuals (and groups).

The importance clients have started placing on political similarity or safety to express their viewpoints, even in the intake phone call

Research on political disclosure in therapy, perceived similarity of political views, and the impact on therapeutic alliance

The risk of falsely assuming alignment or over-disclosing political views with clients

Looking at when political/philosophical conversations are just fun and not helpful

The different impacts of the events of the day based on demographics and identity

Opening space, using caution, observing to continue to have these conversations be therapeutic

How burnout can impact these conversations

Counter Transference and whether your own reactions should come into the treatment room with your clients

Looking at how true reactions can be used in treatment, the bias of remaining neutral

The potential for complex conversations that can heal with our clients

The instinct to try to “correct” clients with opposing viewpoints (and the damage that can do)

How therapists should prepare for being in the room for these conversations, and take care of themselves in the process.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Donald Trump in Therapy</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how politics have started coming into the therapy room</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how politics have started coming into the therapy room. We look at how the election of Donald Trump seemed to increase clients (and therapists) actively bringing world events into the therapeutic work.       
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The shift from avoiding politics, religion, etc. in therapy to having it be central in therapy conversations

How Donald Trump’s presidency (and the impacts of his administration) show up in the room

What can happen when therapists share their political views with their clients

The fear, trauma, and grief that has become more present in the conversations about the world at large

How an informed client population means that therapists need to be aware of both the events and the potential impacts on individuals (and groups).

The importance clients have started placing on political similarity or safety to express their viewpoints, even in the intake phone call

Research on political disclosure in therapy, perceived similarity of political views, and the impact on therapeutic alliance

The risk of falsely assuming alignment or over-disclosing political views with clients

Looking at when political/philosophical conversations are just fun and not helpful

The different impacts of the events of the day based on demographics and identity

Opening space, using caution, observing to continue to have these conversations be therapeutic

How burnout can impact these conversations

Counter Transference and whether your own reactions should come into the treatment room with your clients

Looking at how true reactions can be used in treatment, the bias of remaining neutral

The potential for complex conversations that can heal with our clients

The instinct to try to “correct” clients with opposing viewpoints (and the damage that can do)

How therapists should prepare for being in the room for these conversations, and take care of themselves in the process.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how politics have started coming into the therapy room. We look at how the election of Donald Trump seemed to increase clients (and therapists) actively bringing world events into the therapeutic work.       </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The shift from avoiding politics, religion, etc. in therapy to having it be central in therapy conversations</li>
<li>How Donald Trump’s presidency (and the impacts of his administration) show up in the room</li>
<li>What can happen when therapists share their political views with their clients</li>
<li>The fear, trauma, and grief that has become more present in the conversations about the world at large</li>
<li>How an informed client population means that therapists need to be aware of both the events and the potential impacts on individuals (and groups).</li>
<li>The importance clients have started placing on political similarity or safety to express their viewpoints, even in the intake phone call</li>
<li>Research on political disclosure in therapy, perceived similarity of political views, and the impact on therapeutic alliance</li>
<li>The risk of falsely assuming alignment or over-disclosing political views with clients</li>
<li>Looking at when political/philosophical conversations are just fun and not helpful</li>
<li>The different impacts of the events of the day based on demographics and identity</li>
<li>Opening space, using caution, observing to continue to have these conversations be therapeutic</li>
<li>How burnout can impact these conversations</li>
<li>Counter Transference and whether your own reactions should come into the treatment room with your clients</li>
<li>Looking at how true reactions can be used in treatment, the bias of remaining neutral</li>
<li>The potential for complex conversations that can heal with our clients</li>
<li>The instinct to try to “correct” clients with opposing viewpoints (and the damage that can do)</li>
<li>How therapists should prepare for being in the room for these conversations, and take care of themselves in the process.</li>
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      <title>Sex and Shame</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/sex-and-shame</link>
      <description>An interview with Eliza Boquin, LMFT on what therapists miss when they don’t talk about sex with their clients. Curt and Katie talk with Eliza about how judgment, shame, and discomfort can come into the therapy room and create barriers for patients talking about their sexual health.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Eliza Boquin, LMFT
As a Licensed Psychotherapist, Relationship &amp; Sexuality Expert, Eliza Boquin works with couples &amp; individuals to overcome past traumas, emotional pain, and destructive relationship patterns so they can begin to enjoy more healthy, satisfying, and pleasure-filled lives. 
You can find her working with clients at her private practice in Houston, TX, hosting workshops, and at public speaking events helping people gain the skills to reach their life &amp; relationship goals.
She is also an active mental health advocate &amp; co-founder of Melanin &amp; Mental Health, LLC which promotes mental health awareness in the Black &amp; Latinx communities. She &amp; her business partner, Eboni Harris, are changing the face of therapy with their website, national therapist directory, Between Sessions podcast and "Therapy is Dope" merchandise.
She has also been featured in Cosmopolitan, Men's Health, Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, Fatherly, Bustle, ThriveWorks, Good Therapy, Stylecaster, Business Insider, Houstonia Magazine, and on Houston's Amazing 102.5 FM, and KBXX 97.9 FM - The Box.E
In this episode we talk about:

Eliza’s story and how she got into sex therapy

How trauma, shame, misinformation can impact sexual health

The importance of removing shame and judgment from conversations about sex

How to address the absence of sex in relationship therapy

Opening conversations that are safe and non-shaming about sex, in the assessment

What therapists miss when they don’t bring sex up with their clients

The problem with pathologizing sexual concerns

Typical therapist training around sex

The importance of education and normalization

The types of life events that can impact sex life

Additional training for therapists to understand all kinds of sex

The types of phone calls a sex therapist might get

The amount of misinformation, sexpectations

The faulty expectation that partners should know what to do

The challenge of not knowing what turns you on, being disconnected from one’s body

Societal expectations that impact the sexual experience

The shame about bodies entering the sexual relationship

Exploring sexual education stories, cultural impacts, messages about sex

How people respond to sex therapists

What therapists get wrong about sex

The impact of bias and the medical model

Sex positivity, inclusion</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Sex and Shame</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Eliza Boquin, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Eliza Boquin, LMFT on what therapists miss when they don’t talk about sex with their clients. Curt and Katie talk with Eliza about how judgment, shame, and discomfort can come into the therapy room and create barriers for patients talking about their sexual health.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Eliza Boquin, LMFT
As a Licensed Psychotherapist, Relationship &amp; Sexuality Expert, Eliza Boquin works with couples &amp; individuals to overcome past traumas, emotional pain, and destructive relationship patterns so they can begin to enjoy more healthy, satisfying, and pleasure-filled lives. 
You can find her working with clients at her private practice in Houston, TX, hosting workshops, and at public speaking events helping people gain the skills to reach their life &amp; relationship goals.
She is also an active mental health advocate &amp; co-founder of Melanin &amp; Mental Health, LLC which promotes mental health awareness in the Black &amp; Latinx communities. She &amp; her business partner, Eboni Harris, are changing the face of therapy with their website, national therapist directory, Between Sessions podcast and "Therapy is Dope" merchandise.
She has also been featured in Cosmopolitan, Men's Health, Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, Fatherly, Bustle, ThriveWorks, Good Therapy, Stylecaster, Business Insider, Houstonia Magazine, and on Houston's Amazing 102.5 FM, and KBXX 97.9 FM - The Box.E
In this episode we talk about:

Eliza’s story and how she got into sex therapy

How trauma, shame, misinformation can impact sexual health

The importance of removing shame and judgment from conversations about sex

How to address the absence of sex in relationship therapy

Opening conversations that are safe and non-shaming about sex, in the assessment

What therapists miss when they don’t bring sex up with their clients

The problem with pathologizing sexual concerns

Typical therapist training around sex

The importance of education and normalization

The types of life events that can impact sex life

Additional training for therapists to understand all kinds of sex

The types of phone calls a sex therapist might get

The amount of misinformation, sexpectations

The faulty expectation that partners should know what to do

The challenge of not knowing what turns you on, being disconnected from one’s body

Societal expectations that impact the sexual experience

The shame about bodies entering the sexual relationship

Exploring sexual education stories, cultural impacts, messages about sex

How people respond to sex therapists

What therapists get wrong about sex

The impact of bias and the medical model

Sex positivity, inclusion</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Eliza Boquin, LMFT on what therapists miss when they don’t talk about sex with their clients. Curt and Katie talk with Eliza about how judgment, shame, and discomfort can come into the therapy room and create barriers for patients talking about their sexual health.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Eliza Boquin, LMFT</p><p>As a Licensed Psychotherapist, Relationship &amp; Sexuality Expert, Eliza Boquin works with couples &amp; individuals to overcome past traumas, emotional pain, and destructive relationship patterns so they can begin to enjoy more healthy, satisfying, and pleasure-filled lives. </p><p>You can find her working with clients at her private practice in Houston, TX, hosting workshops, and at public speaking events helping people gain the skills to reach their life &amp; relationship goals.</p><p>She is also an active mental health advocate &amp; co-founder of Melanin &amp; Mental Health, LLC which promotes mental health awareness in the Black &amp; Latinx communities. She &amp; her business partner, Eboni Harris, are changing the face of therapy with their website, national therapist directory, Between Sessions podcast and "Therapy is Dope" merchandise.</p><p>She has also been featured in Cosmopolitan, Men's Health, Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, Fatherly, Bustle, ThriveWorks, Good Therapy, Stylecaster, Business Insider, Houstonia Magazine, and on Houston's Amazing 102.5 FM, and KBXX 97.9 FM - The Box.E</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Eliza’s story and how she got into sex therapy</li>
<li>How trauma, shame, misinformation can impact sexual health</li>
<li>The importance of removing shame and judgment from conversations about sex</li>
<li>How to address the absence of sex in relationship therapy</li>
<li>Opening conversations that are safe and non-shaming about sex, in the assessment</li>
<li>What therapists miss when they don’t bring sex up with their clients</li>
<li>The problem with pathologizing sexual concerns</li>
<li>Typical therapist training around sex</li>
<li>The importance of education and normalization</li>
<li>The types of life events that can impact sex life</li>
<li>Additional training for therapists to understand all kinds of sex</li>
<li>The types of phone calls a sex therapist might get</li>
<li>The amount of misinformation, sexpectations</li>
<li>The faulty expectation that partners should know what to do</li>
<li>The challenge of not knowing what turns you on, being disconnected from one’s body</li>
<li>Societal expectations that impact the sexual experience</li>
<li>The shame about bodies entering the sexual relationship</li>
<li>Exploring sexual education stories, cultural impacts, messages about sex</li>
<li>How people respond to sex therapists</li>
<li>What therapists get wrong about sex</li>
<li>The impact of bias and the medical model</li>
<li>Sex positivity, inclusion</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>In it for the Money?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/in-it-for-the-money</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about money. We look at the financial needs of therapists, the perspective of clients and the public that we charge too much OR that we should not want money; the common martyrdom expectation that can negatively impact therapists and the profession.       
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Controversy about therapists wanting money

What is expected of therapists - martyrdom and a vow of poverty?

Financial stability and needs of therapists

The consumer perspective – am I just a paycheck? Or do you really want to help me?

The importance of your WHY

The perspective of the profession based on how much money is charged by most professionals

Providing a social/relational service for money - Are we “emotional prostitutes?”

The difficulty in assigning monetary value on what we do

The goodness of our hearts and the sympathetic plea of our clients

The difficulty in demonstrating and describing the value of therapy

The challenge of fee setting in private practice

The dynamics of insurance or social service programs impacting the clinical relationship

The common questions – Am I just a paycheck? Am I important enough to help?

The danger of therapy becoming transactional, especially when you’re burned out and under compensated

Therapist perspective on making money, especially given the lower paid and unpaid work at the beginning of the career

How the profession’s current set up impacts therapists’ ability to make money

Comparison to other similar professions (like doctors) – both in their training and career trajectory, looking at why they end up making more

The sliding scale problem - Are we rescuing our clients?

The shame of having financial needs

Self-worth being conflated with fee-setting

Exercise of thinking/feeling into your fee vs practical fee setting based on financial needs

The need for therapists to figure this out, so they can become more comfortable with making sufficient money to sustain their careers!</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>In it for the Money?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/a9115e3a-690e-11ed-9001-37b32276b9f0/image/Episode_123.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about perspectives on therapist income</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about money. We look at the financial needs of therapists, the perspective of clients and the public that we charge too much OR that we should not want money; the common martyrdom expectation that can negatively impact therapists and the profession.       
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Controversy about therapists wanting money

What is expected of therapists - martyrdom and a vow of poverty?

Financial stability and needs of therapists

The consumer perspective – am I just a paycheck? Or do you really want to help me?

The importance of your WHY

The perspective of the profession based on how much money is charged by most professionals

Providing a social/relational service for money - Are we “emotional prostitutes?”

The difficulty in assigning monetary value on what we do

The goodness of our hearts and the sympathetic plea of our clients

The difficulty in demonstrating and describing the value of therapy

The challenge of fee setting in private practice

The dynamics of insurance or social service programs impacting the clinical relationship

The common questions – Am I just a paycheck? Am I important enough to help?

The danger of therapy becoming transactional, especially when you’re burned out and under compensated

Therapist perspective on making money, especially given the lower paid and unpaid work at the beginning of the career

How the profession’s current set up impacts therapists’ ability to make money

Comparison to other similar professions (like doctors) – both in their training and career trajectory, looking at why they end up making more

The sliding scale problem - Are we rescuing our clients?

The shame of having financial needs

Self-worth being conflated with fee-setting

Exercise of thinking/feeling into your fee vs practical fee setting based on financial needs

The need for therapists to figure this out, so they can become more comfortable with making sufficient money to sustain their careers!</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about money. We look at the financial needs of therapists, the perspective of clients and the public that we charge too much OR that we should not want money; the common martyrdom expectation that can negatively impact therapists and the profession.       </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Controversy about therapists wanting money</li>
<li>What is expected of therapists - martyrdom and a vow of poverty?</li>
<li>Financial stability and needs of therapists</li>
<li>The consumer perspective – am I just a paycheck? Or do you really want to help me?</li>
<li>The importance of your WHY</li>
<li>The perspective of the profession based on how much money is charged by most professionals</li>
<li>Providing a social/relational service for money - Are we “emotional prostitutes?”</li>
<li>The difficulty in assigning monetary value on what we do</li>
<li>The goodness of our hearts and the sympathetic plea of our clients</li>
<li>The difficulty in demonstrating and describing the value of therapy</li>
<li>The challenge of fee setting in private practice</li>
<li>The dynamics of insurance or social service programs impacting the clinical relationship</li>
<li>The common questions – Am I just a paycheck? Am I important enough to help?</li>
<li>The danger of therapy becoming transactional, especially when you’re burned out and under compensated</li>
<li>Therapist perspective on making money, especially given the lower paid and unpaid work at the beginning of the career</li>
<li>How the profession’s current set up impacts therapists’ ability to make money</li>
<li>Comparison to other similar professions (like doctors) – both in their training and career trajectory, looking at why they end up making more</li>
<li>The sliding scale problem - Are we rescuing our clients?</li>
<li>The shame of having financial needs</li>
<li>Self-worth being conflated with fee-setting</li>
<li>Exercise of thinking/feeling into your fee vs practical fee setting based on financial needs</li>
<li>The need for therapists to figure this out, so they can become more comfortable with making sufficient money to sustain their careers!</li>
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      <title>When Clients Die</title>
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      <description>An interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT on how therapists can navigate when clients die. We look at what to do when clients die by suicide, die based on high risk lifestyles, or long-term illnesses. We also talk about the complicated emotions that therapists face in this isolated grief.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT
Debi Jenkins Frankle is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Grief Specialist and Trainer. Debi has been working with grievers for over 25 years. She and husband, Mark Frankle LMFT, are the co-founders of the Calabasas Counseling and Grief Recovery Center. Debi is the founder of Private Practice Grief Workshops and Trainings for Mental Health Professionals as well as the FB group for therapists: Private Practice Grief.
Debi’s areas of expertise are grief and trauma. Debi has led trainings for grief counseling professionals throughout the United States and Canada. Debi is a past president of San Fernando Valley chapter of CAMFT, past committee co-chair of the Crisis Response Network for SFV CAMFT and a member of the Association for Death Education (ADEC).
In her spare time, she plays in dirt and hangs out with dogs (and her husband too!).
In this episode we talk about:

How therapists can handle when a client dies by suicide

Legal and logistical considerations

The importance of grounding yourself and seeking out consultation with a trusted colleague

The stigma leading to therapists avoiding disclosing when clients die by suicide

Considerations in contacting the family of the client and how to handle the conversation

The complicated emotions that therapists can face as professionals and as grievers

Deciding to go to the funeral

The isolated grief that therapists face

How grief can be different when a client dies by something preventable, or something they caused - disenfranchised grief or discounted grief

The uniqueness of the therapist’s response

The different types of losses and the reactions we have to them

The emotional reactions that therapists should allow in treatment (and should not allow)

The importance of doing your own work regarding your own losses

How therapists can defer the conversations in treatment away from the necessary grief work

How to manage the rest of the caseload when you’ve experienced a personal loss or a client has died

The modeling we can do for our clients

What happens when your therapy dog dies and how to manage that with your clients

The work we need to do to be better at working with grief overall</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>When Clients Die</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT on how therapists can navigate when clients die. We look at what to do when clients die by suicide, die based on high risk lifestyles, or long-term illnesses. We also talk about the complicated emotions that therapists face in this isolated grief.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT
Debi Jenkins Frankle is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Grief Specialist and Trainer. Debi has been working with grievers for over 25 years. She and husband, Mark Frankle LMFT, are the co-founders of the Calabasas Counseling and Grief Recovery Center. Debi is the founder of Private Practice Grief Workshops and Trainings for Mental Health Professionals as well as the FB group for therapists: Private Practice Grief.
Debi’s areas of expertise are grief and trauma. Debi has led trainings for grief counseling professionals throughout the United States and Canada. Debi is a past president of San Fernando Valley chapter of CAMFT, past committee co-chair of the Crisis Response Network for SFV CAMFT and a member of the Association for Death Education (ADEC).
In her spare time, she plays in dirt and hangs out with dogs (and her husband too!).
In this episode we talk about:

How therapists can handle when a client dies by suicide

Legal and logistical considerations

The importance of grounding yourself and seeking out consultation with a trusted colleague

The stigma leading to therapists avoiding disclosing when clients die by suicide

Considerations in contacting the family of the client and how to handle the conversation

The complicated emotions that therapists can face as professionals and as grievers

Deciding to go to the funeral

The isolated grief that therapists face

How grief can be different when a client dies by something preventable, or something they caused - disenfranchised grief or discounted grief

The uniqueness of the therapist’s response

The different types of losses and the reactions we have to them

The emotional reactions that therapists should allow in treatment (and should not allow)

The importance of doing your own work regarding your own losses

How therapists can defer the conversations in treatment away from the necessary grief work

How to manage the rest of the caseload when you’ve experienced a personal loss or a client has died

The modeling we can do for our clients

What happens when your therapy dog dies and how to manage that with your clients

The work we need to do to be better at working with grief overall</itunes:summary>
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<li>How therapists can handle when a client dies by suicide</li>
<li>Legal and logistical considerations</li>
<li>The importance of grounding yourself and seeking out consultation with a trusted colleague</li>
<li>The stigma leading to therapists avoiding disclosing when clients die by suicide</li>
<li>Considerations in contacting the family of the client and how to handle the conversation</li>
<li>The complicated emotions that therapists can face as professionals and as grievers</li>
<li>Deciding to go to the funeral</li>
<li>The isolated grief that therapists face</li>
<li>How grief can be different when a client dies by something preventable, or something they caused - disenfranchised grief or discounted grief</li>
<li>The uniqueness of the therapist’s response</li>
<li>The different types of losses and the reactions we have to them</li>
<li>The emotional reactions that therapists should allow in treatment (and should not allow)</li>
<li>The importance of doing your own work regarding your own losses</li>
<li>How therapists can defer the conversations in treatment away from the necessary grief work</li>
<li>How to manage the rest of the caseload when you’ve experienced a personal loss or a client has died</li>
<li>The modeling we can do for our clients</li>
<li>What happens when your therapy dog dies and how to manage that with your clients</li>
<li>The work we need to do to be better at working with grief overall</li>
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      <title>Who Gets to Have Therapy?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/who-gets-to-have-therapy</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about therapists’ responsibility for mental health access and the (sometimes moral) decision about whether one focuses on income or providing treatment to all. We look at a living wage, the mental health system, entrepreneurship, and capitalism.     
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Is mental health access a universal right?

Group Practice Owner’s Summit 2019 where Katie got some wild ideas, especially during the talk by Maureen Werrbach and Michael Blumberg: Mental Health Access as a Human Right

The moral dilemma regarding raising your fees to the point that you are only working with people who can afford it

The extremes of martyrdom and pure entrepreneurship/capitalism

Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs as a place to assess where we identify human rights

The distinction of the system providing mental health access and individuals providing this access

Homelessness, mental illness, and addiction

Where systems and social services are best able to take care of mental health and other concerns

Larger mission and vision of how to impact the world

Taking care of your needs as a therapist/person first before society

The systemic issue of not providing all therapists a living wage and therapists needing to go into entrepreneurship to survive

The potential impact of universal mental healthcare on entrepreneurship and the field

The concern about stagnation and stifled innovation

The power of passion and motivation in the work

Finding creative ways to increase access, while not negatively impacting your bottom line

How to make individual decisions about mental health access versus the therapist’s individual income

Self-actualization - #topofthepyramid

How the system impacts which therapists are able to continue practicing

Draw bridge effect of later career therapists not treating newer therapists how they wished they were treated

Locus of Control impacting decision-making

The poor treatment of employees, low wages as contributing factors

The system impacts on people at all levels

Basic Needs - #bottomofthepyramid

Profit First versus clients who do not bring revenue in

Beyond Basic Needs - #middleofthepyramid

The salary needs that connects to optimal happiness

Questions about how to address these concerns and which to address first</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Who Gets to Have Therapy?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about mental health access versus therapist income</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about therapists’ responsibility for mental health access and the (sometimes moral) decision about whether one focuses on income or providing treatment to all. We look at a living wage, the mental health system, entrepreneurship, and capitalism.     
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Is mental health access a universal right?

Group Practice Owner’s Summit 2019 where Katie got some wild ideas, especially during the talk by Maureen Werrbach and Michael Blumberg: Mental Health Access as a Human Right

The moral dilemma regarding raising your fees to the point that you are only working with people who can afford it

The extremes of martyrdom and pure entrepreneurship/capitalism

Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs as a place to assess where we identify human rights

The distinction of the system providing mental health access and individuals providing this access

Homelessness, mental illness, and addiction

Where systems and social services are best able to take care of mental health and other concerns

Larger mission and vision of how to impact the world

Taking care of your needs as a therapist/person first before society

The systemic issue of not providing all therapists a living wage and therapists needing to go into entrepreneurship to survive

The potential impact of universal mental healthcare on entrepreneurship and the field

The concern about stagnation and stifled innovation

The power of passion and motivation in the work

Finding creative ways to increase access, while not negatively impacting your bottom line

How to make individual decisions about mental health access versus the therapist’s individual income

Self-actualization - #topofthepyramid

How the system impacts which therapists are able to continue practicing

Draw bridge effect of later career therapists not treating newer therapists how they wished they were treated

Locus of Control impacting decision-making

The poor treatment of employees, low wages as contributing factors

The system impacts on people at all levels

Basic Needs - #bottomofthepyramid

Profit First versus clients who do not bring revenue in

Beyond Basic Needs - #middleofthepyramid

The salary needs that connects to optimal happiness

Questions about how to address these concerns and which to address first</itunes:summary>
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<li>Is mental health access a universal right?</li>
<li>Group Practice Owner’s Summit 2019 where Katie got some wild ideas, especially during the talk by Maureen Werrbach and Michael Blumberg: Mental Health Access as a Human Right</li>
<li>The moral dilemma regarding raising your fees to the point that you are only working with people who can afford it</li>
<li>The extremes of martyrdom and pure entrepreneurship/capitalism</li>
<li>Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs as a place to assess where we identify human rights</li>
<li>The distinction of the system providing mental health access and individuals providing this access</li>
<li>Homelessness, mental illness, and addiction</li>
<li>Where systems and social services are best able to take care of mental health and other concerns</li>
<li>Larger mission and vision of how to impact the world</li>
<li>Taking care of your needs as a therapist/person first before society</li>
<li>The systemic issue of not providing all therapists a living wage and therapists needing to go into entrepreneurship to survive</li>
<li>The potential impact of universal mental healthcare on entrepreneurship and the field</li>
<li>The concern about stagnation and stifled innovation</li>
<li>The power of passion and motivation in the work</li>
<li>Finding creative ways to increase access, while not negatively impacting your bottom line</li>
<li>How to make individual decisions about mental health access versus the therapist’s individual income</li>
<li>Self-actualization - #topofthepyramid</li>
<li>How the system impacts which therapists are able to continue practicing</li>
<li>Draw bridge effect of later career therapists not treating newer therapists how they wished they were treated</li>
<li>Locus of Control impacting decision-making</li>
<li>The poor treatment of employees, low wages as contributing factors</li>
<li>The system impacts on people at all levels</li>
<li>Basic Needs - #bottomofthepyramid</li>
<li>Profit First versus clients who do not bring revenue in</li>
<li>Beyond Basic Needs - #middleofthepyramid</li>
<li>The salary needs that connects to optimal happiness</li>
<li>Questions about how to address these concerns and which to address first</li>
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      <title>Trauma Informed Work Place</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/trauma-informed-work-place</link>
      <description>An interview with Kristin Martinez, LMFT, about how trauma informed practices apply to the workplace. Curt and Katie talk with Kristin about her person-centered management, the benefits of treating employees well, and the risks of managing individuals as though they were cogs in a machine.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Kristin Martinez, LMFT Kristin Martinez is a licensed therapist who developed a process of management coined: Person Centered Management. She developed Person Centered Management through her own experience and expertise in trauma informed psychotherapy and being a leader in several organizations. Kristin owns a consulting firm and a group therapy practice. Prior to being a business owner, Kristin spent over 10 years in the mental health field as case worker, therapist, and administrator in private, contracted, and government entities. She has experience as a Director in Logistics prior to entering the field of mental health and knows the power of good teaming.
 
In this episode we talk about:

The idea of best practices for workplaces – Trauma Informed Workplaces, Person-centered management

How Kristin came to identify the need for trauma informed practices not just with clients, but with the therapists and workforce as well

Looking at the community mental health perspective

How current practices lead to burnout at all levels

How to introduce best practices into public mental health

The importance of treating employees as people and developing real relationships with employees

A primer on trauma informed perspective

Look at context of behavior in order to address things like timeliness

The idea of “therapy for the work place”

Best practices for supervising and managing

The myth that this type of work that focuses on the individual takes more time

The risk of burnout and turnover for workplaces that don’t take care of their people

How to introduce these concepts into the classroom

How to infuse hope into the option of working in community mental health

The importance of boundaries, asking for help, understanding expectations

The attempts of these agencies to improve employee engagement and supporting the staff to stay longer

The danger of the silos that different clinicians can be in (i.e., community mental health, private practice, other types of treatment centers)

The benefit of connection with other therapists

How processing your own stuff, making sure to consult, and taking time for self-care needs to be incorporated into a trauma-informed workplace

Suggestions for group or solo practice owners to incorporate these best practices

How Kristin puts her money where her mouth is, in her group practice

Looking at how the workplace can impact each individual, looking at trauma responses for everyone involved (every client, every employee, everyone)

Kristin believes that therapists are too focused on behavior and symptom reduction

The importance of training all staff within interdisciplinary teams, taking care of all staff at levels

The hope of transforming workplaces to make our career more sustainable</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Trauma Informed Work Place</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Kristin Martinez, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Kristin Martinez, LMFT, about how trauma informed practices apply to the workplace. Curt and Katie talk with Kristin about her person-centered management, the benefits of treating employees well, and the risks of managing individuals as though they were cogs in a machine.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Kristin Martinez, LMFT Kristin Martinez is a licensed therapist who developed a process of management coined: Person Centered Management. She developed Person Centered Management through her own experience and expertise in trauma informed psychotherapy and being a leader in several organizations. Kristin owns a consulting firm and a group therapy practice. Prior to being a business owner, Kristin spent over 10 years in the mental health field as case worker, therapist, and administrator in private, contracted, and government entities. She has experience as a Director in Logistics prior to entering the field of mental health and knows the power of good teaming.
 
In this episode we talk about:

The idea of best practices for workplaces – Trauma Informed Workplaces, Person-centered management

How Kristin came to identify the need for trauma informed practices not just with clients, but with the therapists and workforce as well

Looking at the community mental health perspective

How current practices lead to burnout at all levels

How to introduce best practices into public mental health

The importance of treating employees as people and developing real relationships with employees

A primer on trauma informed perspective

Look at context of behavior in order to address things like timeliness

The idea of “therapy for the work place”

Best practices for supervising and managing

The myth that this type of work that focuses on the individual takes more time

The risk of burnout and turnover for workplaces that don’t take care of their people

How to introduce these concepts into the classroom

How to infuse hope into the option of working in community mental health

The importance of boundaries, asking for help, understanding expectations

The attempts of these agencies to improve employee engagement and supporting the staff to stay longer

The danger of the silos that different clinicians can be in (i.e., community mental health, private practice, other types of treatment centers)

The benefit of connection with other therapists

How processing your own stuff, making sure to consult, and taking time for self-care needs to be incorporated into a trauma-informed workplace

Suggestions for group or solo practice owners to incorporate these best practices

How Kristin puts her money where her mouth is, in her group practice

Looking at how the workplace can impact each individual, looking at trauma responses for everyone involved (every client, every employee, everyone)

Kristin believes that therapists are too focused on behavior and symptom reduction

The importance of training all staff within interdisciplinary teams, taking care of all staff at levels

The hope of transforming workplaces to make our career more sustainable</itunes:summary>
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<li>The idea of best practices for workplaces – Trauma Informed Workplaces, Person-centered management</li>
<li>How Kristin came to identify the need for trauma informed practices not just with clients, but with the therapists and workforce as well</li>
<li>Looking at the community mental health perspective</li>
<li>How current practices lead to burnout at all levels</li>
<li>How to introduce best practices into public mental health</li>
<li>The importance of treating employees as people and developing real relationships with employees</li>
<li>A primer on trauma informed perspective</li>
<li>Look at context of behavior in order to address things like timeliness</li>
<li>The idea of “therapy for the work place”</li>
<li>Best practices for supervising and managing</li>
<li>The myth that this type of work that focuses on the individual takes more time</li>
<li>The risk of burnout and turnover for workplaces that don’t take care of their people</li>
<li>How to introduce these concepts into the classroom</li>
<li>How to infuse hope into the option of working in community mental health</li>
<li>The importance of boundaries, asking for help, understanding expectations</li>
<li>The attempts of these agencies to improve employee engagement and supporting the staff to stay longer</li>
<li>The danger of the silos that different clinicians can be in (i.e., community mental health, private practice, other types of treatment centers)</li>
<li>The benefit of connection with other therapists</li>
<li>How processing your own stuff, making sure to consult, and taking time for self-care needs to be incorporated into a trauma-informed workplace</li>
<li>Suggestions for group or solo practice owners to incorporate these best practices</li>
<li>How Kristin puts her money where her mouth is, in her group practice</li>
<li>Looking at how the workplace can impact each individual, looking at trauma responses for everyone involved (every client, every employee, everyone)</li>
<li>Kristin believes that therapists are too focused on behavior and symptom reduction</li>
<li>The importance of training all staff within interdisciplinary teams, taking care of all staff at levels</li>
<li>The hope of transforming workplaces to make our career more sustainable</li>
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      <title>Millennials as Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/millennials-as-therapists</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about generational differences in therapists, looking at perceptions (and misperceptions) about Millennials We look at how these differences impact therapy workplaces, supervision, and the future of our field.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Whether or not Curt is a Millennial

Looking at how millennials show up as employees and entrepreneurs

Generational differences in therapists

Common complaint of millennials being entitled

Living life now versus earning your stripes and waiting on retirement

The Four-Hour Work Week

Curt’s theory that Millennials have perfected the dream of the Gen X-ers

The impact of technology on growing up in different generations

Looking at the impact of the recession on the perspective on how to navigate work

The “young upstart” mythology that gets under Boomers’ skin

Gaining confidence earlier due to the access to immense amounts of data that wasn’t around when X-ers and Boomers were growing up

Teaching as equals versus teaching as a superior, looking at collaborative learning

The difference between therapy as work and other professions

The further we remove the therapist from having creativity and ownership from the work, the less value they will get from the work.

The importance of real application of concepts in our education

The tension of enough structured guidance versus enough collaboration/empowerment

Avoiding the helicoptering (supervision, management, etc.)

How technology is impacting the work

The importance of grounding innovation in laws, ethics, and clinical excellence

How coaching might impact our profession, whether there is harm with people jumping to coaching without credentials or training

Instagram Therapists

Different goals for different generations, namely the scourge of selling out

Whether or not Gen X-ers have actually sold old

How things have changed in marketing and how that has impacted newer therapists

When you can claim “expert” status

How strong entrepreneurs can potentially harm the profession</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Millennials as Therapists</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about generational differences in therapists</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about generational differences in therapists, looking at perceptions (and misperceptions) about Millennials We look at how these differences impact therapy workplaces, supervision, and the future of our field.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Whether or not Curt is a Millennial

Looking at how millennials show up as employees and entrepreneurs

Generational differences in therapists

Common complaint of millennials being entitled

Living life now versus earning your stripes and waiting on retirement

The Four-Hour Work Week

Curt’s theory that Millennials have perfected the dream of the Gen X-ers

The impact of technology on growing up in different generations

Looking at the impact of the recession on the perspective on how to navigate work

The “young upstart” mythology that gets under Boomers’ skin

Gaining confidence earlier due to the access to immense amounts of data that wasn’t around when X-ers and Boomers were growing up

Teaching as equals versus teaching as a superior, looking at collaborative learning

The difference between therapy as work and other professions

The further we remove the therapist from having creativity and ownership from the work, the less value they will get from the work.

The importance of real application of concepts in our education

The tension of enough structured guidance versus enough collaboration/empowerment

Avoiding the helicoptering (supervision, management, etc.)

How technology is impacting the work

The importance of grounding innovation in laws, ethics, and clinical excellence

How coaching might impact our profession, whether there is harm with people jumping to coaching without credentials or training

Instagram Therapists

Different goals for different generations, namely the scourge of selling out

Whether or not Gen X-ers have actually sold old

How things have changed in marketing and how that has impacted newer therapists

When you can claim “expert” status

How strong entrepreneurs can potentially harm the profession</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about generational differences in therapists, looking at perceptions (and misperceptions) about Millennials We look at how these differences impact therapy workplaces, supervision, and the future of our field.   </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Whether or not Curt is a Millennial</li>
<li>Looking at how millennials show up as employees and entrepreneurs</li>
<li>Generational differences in therapists</li>
<li>Common complaint of millennials being entitled</li>
<li>Living life now versus earning your stripes and waiting on retirement</li>
<li>The Four-Hour Work Week</li>
<li>Curt’s theory that Millennials have perfected the dream of the Gen X-ers</li>
<li>The impact of technology on growing up in different generations</li>
<li>Looking at the impact of the recession on the perspective on how to navigate work</li>
<li>The “young upstart” mythology that gets under Boomers’ skin</li>
<li>Gaining confidence earlier due to the access to immense amounts of data that wasn’t around when X-ers and Boomers were growing up</li>
<li>Teaching as equals versus teaching as a superior, looking at collaborative learning</li>
<li>The difference between therapy as work and other professions</li>
<li>The further we remove the therapist from having creativity and ownership from the work, the less value they will get from the work.</li>
<li>The importance of real application of concepts in our education</li>
<li>The tension of enough structured guidance versus enough collaboration/empowerment</li>
<li>Avoiding the helicoptering (supervision, management, etc.)</li>
<li>How technology is impacting the work</li>
<li>The importance of grounding innovation in laws, ethics, and clinical excellence</li>
<li>How coaching might impact our profession, whether there is harm with people jumping to coaching without credentials or training</li>
<li>Instagram Therapists</li>
<li>Different goals for different generations, namely the scourge of selling out</li>
<li>Whether or not Gen X-ers have actually sold old</li>
<li>How things have changed in marketing and how that has impacted newer therapists</li>
<li>When you can claim “expert” status</li>
<li>How strong entrepreneurs can potentially harm the profession</li>
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      <title>Therapy of Tomorrow</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapy-of-tomorrow</link>
      <description>An interview with Paul Puri, M.D., about how we can make therapy better. Curt and Katie interview Dr. Puri about how technology and better clinical training can improve therapy outcomes as well as the responsibility we have as experts to impact social change through education and art.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Paul R. Puri, M.D., Psychiatrist, TV Writer, CMO of OOTify
Dr. Puri is a psychiatrist, TV writer, and an entrepreneur. In his private practice in Los Angeles, he practices multiple forms of psychotherapy, including hypnosis, in addition to managing medications. He attended medical school at University of Rochester, and specialty training in psychiatry at UC San Diego. He is currently a clinical Assistant Professor at UCLA, and the president-elect of the Psychiatric Clinical Faculty Association. In his non-clinical time, he consults and writes for TV, and is the Chief Medical Officer for an online mental health hub, OOTify -- OOTify.com
In this episode we talk about:

How Paul has found the different ways that he is helping transform mental health

The history of psychotherapy and psychiatry and how training changed to match the reimbursement model

How psychiatry training is shifting to reflect the modern needs

How therapy is changing, how technology is entering into the picture, and what is driving research and evidence-based treatments

The importance of therapist matching in the success of treatment (and how machine learning can help this process)

The internal work that therapists have to do to improve their clinical work

The importance of getting different perspectives to become the therapist you are supposed to be rather than becoming a duplicate of your supervisor

How Paul is trying to represent our field accurately and well in his writing on Chicago Med

The impact of entertainment on mental health stigma

The social responsibility of having a larger microphone or platform

How much to push beyond the current reality to effect social change

How we make therapy and therapists better

The noise that has developed in the “personal branding” era of private practice

The responsibility we have to help potential clients find the best fit – and how we are frequently failing at it

The problem with only seeking out “evidence-based” treatment without considering what the evidence means

How to move outside the office and add your voice to the social landscape

The Public Health responsibility we have to educate with the expertise we have

The balance of making sure you’re not weighing in unsolicited, but rather strategically

The nuance of talking about your knowledge without over-disclosing, breaking ethical and legal guidelines, or speaking outside your scope

 Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapy of Tomorrow</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Paul Puri, M.D.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Paul Puri, M.D., about how we can make therapy better. Curt and Katie interview Dr. Puri about how technology and better clinical training can improve therapy outcomes as well as the responsibility we have as experts to impact social change through education and art.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Paul R. Puri, M.D., Psychiatrist, TV Writer, CMO of OOTify
Dr. Puri is a psychiatrist, TV writer, and an entrepreneur. In his private practice in Los Angeles, he practices multiple forms of psychotherapy, including hypnosis, in addition to managing medications. He attended medical school at University of Rochester, and specialty training in psychiatry at UC San Diego. He is currently a clinical Assistant Professor at UCLA, and the president-elect of the Psychiatric Clinical Faculty Association. In his non-clinical time, he consults and writes for TV, and is the Chief Medical Officer for an online mental health hub, OOTify -- OOTify.com
In this episode we talk about:

How Paul has found the different ways that he is helping transform mental health

The history of psychotherapy and psychiatry and how training changed to match the reimbursement model

How psychiatry training is shifting to reflect the modern needs

How therapy is changing, how technology is entering into the picture, and what is driving research and evidence-based treatments

The importance of therapist matching in the success of treatment (and how machine learning can help this process)

The internal work that therapists have to do to improve their clinical work

The importance of getting different perspectives to become the therapist you are supposed to be rather than becoming a duplicate of your supervisor

How Paul is trying to represent our field accurately and well in his writing on Chicago Med

The impact of entertainment on mental health stigma

The social responsibility of having a larger microphone or platform

How much to push beyond the current reality to effect social change

How we make therapy and therapists better

The noise that has developed in the “personal branding” era of private practice

The responsibility we have to help potential clients find the best fit – and how we are frequently failing at it

The problem with only seeking out “evidence-based” treatment without considering what the evidence means

How to move outside the office and add your voice to the social landscape

The Public Health responsibility we have to educate with the expertise we have

The balance of making sure you’re not weighing in unsolicited, but rather strategically

The nuance of talking about your knowledge without over-disclosing, breaking ethical and legal guidelines, or speaking outside your scope

 Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Paul Puri, M.D., about how we can make therapy better. Curt and Katie interview Dr. Puri about how technology and better clinical training can improve therapy outcomes as well as the responsibility we have as experts to impact social change through education and art.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Paul R. Puri, M.D., Psychiatrist, TV Writer, CMO of OOTify</p><p>Dr. Puri is a psychiatrist, TV writer, and an entrepreneur. In his private practice in Los Angeles, he practices multiple forms of psychotherapy, including hypnosis, in addition to managing medications. He attended medical school at University of Rochester, and specialty training in psychiatry at UC San Diego. He is currently a clinical Assistant Professor at UCLA, and the president-elect of the Psychiatric Clinical Faculty Association. In his non-clinical time, he consults and writes for TV, and is the Chief Medical Officer for an online mental health hub, OOTify -- OOTify.com</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How Paul has found the different ways that he is helping transform mental health</li>
<li>The history of psychotherapy and psychiatry and how training changed to match the reimbursement model</li>
<li>How psychiatry training is shifting to reflect the modern needs</li>
<li>How therapy is changing, how technology is entering into the picture, and what is driving research and evidence-based treatments</li>
<li>The importance of therapist matching in the success of treatment (and how machine learning can help this process)</li>
<li>The internal work that therapists have to do to improve their clinical work</li>
<li>The importance of getting different perspectives to become the therapist you are supposed to be rather than becoming a duplicate of your supervisor</li>
<li>How Paul is trying to represent our field accurately and well in his writing on Chicago Med</li>
<li>The impact of entertainment on mental health stigma</li>
<li>The social responsibility of having a larger microphone or platform</li>
<li>How much to push beyond the current reality to effect social change</li>
<li>How we make therapy and therapists better</li>
<li>The noise that has developed in the “personal branding” era of private practice</li>
<li>The responsibility we have to help potential clients find the best fit – and how we are frequently failing at it</li>
<li>The problem with only seeking out “evidence-based” treatment without considering what the evidence means</li>
<li>How to move outside the office and add your voice to the social landscape</li>
<li>The Public Health responsibility we have to educate with the expertise we have</li>
<li>The balance of making sure you’re not weighing in unsolicited, but rather strategically</li>
<li>The nuance of talking about your knowledge without over-disclosing, breaking ethical and legal guidelines, or speaking outside your scope</li>
</ul><p> Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Mass Shooters and Mental Illness</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/mass-shooters-and-mental-illness</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about why mass shootings happen. We look at the complexity of the research and how solely blaming mental illness, doesn’t reflect the research and is stigmatizing. We also talk about how to identify risks and what to do to try to prevent violence. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Looking at why Mass Shootings happen

Defining Mass Shooting

The harm that blaming mass shootings on mental illness can cause – stigma, lack of seeking mental health treatment

The limitations and complexity of the research

The dehumanization of others and the role that it can play in the violence

Attribution Model, low self-esteem, moving out to fringe groups, radicalization

Developmental factors including parenting, culture, gender, coercion, history of violence

The difficulty with learning from sound bites

The role of violent media, video games

The importance of differentiating correlation from causation

The most important factor: access to guns

“Aggrieved Entitlement” leading to seeking revenge in a violent way for a perceived or actual victimization

Multi-systemic solutions and what therapists can do to address the situation

Compassion, listening, and connection as a way to intervene prior to radicalization

Seeing from a different perspective than what is “acceptable” for you, to help to build alliance and open opportunities for challenging violent beliefs

Clarifying therapy versus threat assessment

Fighting Fascism in the world and in the therapy room</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Mass Shootings and Mental Illness</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/ab47731a-690e-11ed-9001-672754e5d231/image/Episode_117.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about factors contributing to mass shootings</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about why mass shootings happen. We look at the complexity of the research and how solely blaming mental illness, doesn’t reflect the research and is stigmatizing. We also talk about how to identify risks and what to do to try to prevent violence. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Looking at why Mass Shootings happen

Defining Mass Shooting

The harm that blaming mass shootings on mental illness can cause – stigma, lack of seeking mental health treatment

The limitations and complexity of the research

The dehumanization of others and the role that it can play in the violence

Attribution Model, low self-esteem, moving out to fringe groups, radicalization

Developmental factors including parenting, culture, gender, coercion, history of violence

The difficulty with learning from sound bites

The role of violent media, video games

The importance of differentiating correlation from causation

The most important factor: access to guns

“Aggrieved Entitlement” leading to seeking revenge in a violent way for a perceived or actual victimization

Multi-systemic solutions and what therapists can do to address the situation

Compassion, listening, and connection as a way to intervene prior to radicalization

Seeing from a different perspective than what is “acceptable” for you, to help to build alliance and open opportunities for challenging violent beliefs

Clarifying therapy versus threat assessment

Fighting Fascism in the world and in the therapy room</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about why mass shootings happen. We look at the complexity of the research and how solely blaming mental illness, doesn’t reflect the research and is stigmatizing. We also talk about how to identify risks and what to do to try to prevent violence. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Looking at why Mass Shootings happen</li>
<li>Defining Mass Shooting</li>
<li>The harm that blaming mass shootings on mental illness can cause – stigma, lack of seeking mental health treatment</li>
<li>The limitations and complexity of the research</li>
<li>The dehumanization of others and the role that it can play in the violence</li>
<li>Attribution Model, low self-esteem, moving out to fringe groups, radicalization</li>
<li>Developmental factors including parenting, culture, gender, coercion, history of violence</li>
<li>The difficulty with learning from sound bites</li>
<li>The role of violent media, video games</li>
<li>The importance of differentiating correlation from causation</li>
<li>The most important factor: access to guns</li>
<li>“Aggrieved Entitlement” leading to seeking revenge in a violent way for a perceived or actual victimization</li>
<li>Multi-systemic solutions and what therapists can do to address the situation</li>
<li>Compassion, listening, and connection as a way to intervene prior to radicalization</li>
<li>Seeing from a different perspective than what is “acceptable” for you, to help to build alliance and open opportunities for challenging violent beliefs</li>
<li>Clarifying therapy versus threat assessment</li>
<li>Fighting Fascism in the world and in the therapy room</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Responding to Mass Shootings</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/responding-to-mass-shootings</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how to take care of your clients, your communities, and yourself after a mass shooting. We look at the types of victims, the different stages of response, and treatment considerations.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Responding to the recent Mass Shootings

The different roles that therapists can be expected to play after a Mass Shooting incident

The types of victims of these events (from victims radiating out to people who are learning about these events on social media)

The different stages of trauma response – and the caution to not assume everyone will end up with PTSD

Who is at risk for Post-traumatic Stress Disorder

The different factors that can lead to an emotional response to the shooting, regardless of how close you are to the incident

The importance of Psychological First Aid (and how Critical Incident Stress Debriefing can be harmful)

Vicarious and Re-traumatization, triggers, no response

The impact of previous traumas

The importance of community supports and types of community interventions

Looking at how to assess boundaries and be part in the community healing

Post-Traumatic Growth and finding meaning, purpose

How often those with mental illness diagnoses might feel stigmatized when they are scape-goated and should also be supported

How the role that therapists play can impact therapists

The careful assessment of how you can help and what you can offer to people impacted by these events

Important self-care reminders for therapists</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Responding to Mass Shootings</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/ab952a10-690e-11ed-9001-874ce55de8fc/image/Episode_116.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how to take care of your clients, your communities, and yourself</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how to take care of your clients, your communities, and yourself after a mass shooting. We look at the types of victims, the different stages of response, and treatment considerations.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Responding to the recent Mass Shootings

The different roles that therapists can be expected to play after a Mass Shooting incident

The types of victims of these events (from victims radiating out to people who are learning about these events on social media)

The different stages of trauma response – and the caution to not assume everyone will end up with PTSD

Who is at risk for Post-traumatic Stress Disorder

The different factors that can lead to an emotional response to the shooting, regardless of how close you are to the incident

The importance of Psychological First Aid (and how Critical Incident Stress Debriefing can be harmful)

Vicarious and Re-traumatization, triggers, no response

The impact of previous traumas

The importance of community supports and types of community interventions

Looking at how to assess boundaries and be part in the community healing

Post-Traumatic Growth and finding meaning, purpose

How often those with mental illness diagnoses might feel stigmatized when they are scape-goated and should also be supported

How the role that therapists play can impact therapists

The careful assessment of how you can help and what you can offer to people impacted by these events

Important self-care reminders for therapists</itunes:summary>
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<li>Responding to the recent Mass Shootings</li>
<li>The different roles that therapists can be expected to play after a Mass Shooting incident</li>
<li>The types of victims of these events (from victims radiating out to people who are learning about these events on social media)</li>
<li>The different stages of trauma response – and the caution to not assume everyone will end up with PTSD</li>
<li>Who is at risk for Post-traumatic Stress Disorder</li>
<li>The different factors that can lead to an emotional response to the shooting, regardless of how close you are to the incident</li>
<li>The importance of Psychological First Aid (and how Critical Incident Stress Debriefing can be harmful)</li>
<li>Vicarious and Re-traumatization, triggers, no response</li>
<li>The impact of previous traumas</li>
<li>The importance of community supports and types of community interventions</li>
<li>Looking at how to assess boundaries and be part in the community healing</li>
<li>Post-Traumatic Growth and finding meaning, purpose</li>
<li>How often those with mental illness diagnoses might feel stigmatized when they are scape-goated and should also be supported</li>
<li>How the role that therapists play can impact therapists</li>
<li>The careful assessment of how you can help and what you can offer to people impacted by these events</li>
<li>Important self-care reminders for therapists</li>
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      <title>Privileged and Biased</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/privileged-and-biased</link>
      <description>An interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC, about how therapy has been whitewashed and biased for a very long time. Curt and Katie talk with Jeff about his efforts to use his privilege to increase inclusion and diversity and to shine a light on biases that we all hold. 
 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC
Jeff Guenther, LPC, is a therapist in Portland, OR. He has been in private practice since 2005. Jeff is the creator and owner of Portland Therapy Center, a highly ranked therapist directory. He also hosts a podcast called Say More About That about trending mental health topics. Jeff has launched a new progressive therapist directory at TherapyDen that fights racism, homophobia, transphobia and all other forms of discrimination. Sign up for a profile at TherapyDen and get your first six months free.
In this episode we talk about:

Jeff’s entrepreneurship and his focus on creating access for mental health

Therapy directories and how he came to identify the need to use the directory to fight against racism, transphobia, homophobia, etc.

Using privilege for good and to support inclusion and access for mental health services

Looking at the controversy in developing a progressive therapist directory

The goal to be inclusive, not solely politically progressive

White privilege and bias

The problems with Psychology Today and how this directory is slowly seeming to respond and start addressing racial and gender diversity

The white washing of therapy and the fight to increase access and diversity

Understanding the bias that is being reinforced by Disney Movies

How bias can show up in the therapy room, your marketing, and in your intake

Addressing systemic bias

The history of therapy and how it continues to influence bias

Looking at how implicit bias can be addressed by individual therapists

The biases that are less understood or addressed

The responsibility of therapists to actively work toward societal inclusion

The ability to change things in one generation</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Privileged and Biased</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC, about how therapy has been whitewashed and biased for a very long time. Curt and Katie talk with Jeff about his efforts to use his privilege to increase inclusion and diversity and to shine a light on biases that we all hold. 
 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC
Jeff Guenther, LPC, is a therapist in Portland, OR. He has been in private practice since 2005. Jeff is the creator and owner of Portland Therapy Center, a highly ranked therapist directory. He also hosts a podcast called Say More About That about trending mental health topics. Jeff has launched a new progressive therapist directory at TherapyDen that fights racism, homophobia, transphobia and all other forms of discrimination. Sign up for a profile at TherapyDen and get your first six months free.
In this episode we talk about:

Jeff’s entrepreneurship and his focus on creating access for mental health

Therapy directories and how he came to identify the need to use the directory to fight against racism, transphobia, homophobia, etc.

Using privilege for good and to support inclusion and access for mental health services

Looking at the controversy in developing a progressive therapist directory

The goal to be inclusive, not solely politically progressive

White privilege and bias

The problems with Psychology Today and how this directory is slowly seeming to respond and start addressing racial and gender diversity

The white washing of therapy and the fight to increase access and diversity

Understanding the bias that is being reinforced by Disney Movies

How bias can show up in the therapy room, your marketing, and in your intake

Addressing systemic bias

The history of therapy and how it continues to influence bias

Looking at how implicit bias can be addressed by individual therapists

The biases that are less understood or addressed

The responsibility of therapists to actively work toward societal inclusion

The ability to change things in one generation</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC, about how therapy has been whitewashed and biased for a very long time. Curt and Katie talk with Jeff about his efforts to use his privilege to increase inclusion and diversity and to shine a light on biases that we all hold. </p><p> </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Jeff Guenther, LPC</p><p>Jeff Guenther, LPC, is a therapist in Portland, OR. He has been in <a href="http://www.jeffguentherlpc.com/">private practice </a>since 2005. Jeff is the creator and owner of <a href="https://www.portlandtherapycenter.com/">Portland Therapy Center</a>, a highly ranked therapist directory. He also hosts a podcast called <a href="https://www.therapyden.com/blog/say-more-about-that">Say More About That</a> about trending mental health topics. Jeff has launched a new progressive therapist directory at <a href="https://www.therapyden.com/">TherapyDen</a> that fights racism, homophobia, transphobia and all other forms of discrimination. <a href="https://www.therapyden.com/benefits">Sign up for a profile at TherapyDen</a> and get your first six months free.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Jeff’s entrepreneurship and his focus on creating access for mental health</li>
<li>Therapy directories and how he came to identify the need to use the directory to fight against racism, transphobia, homophobia, etc.</li>
<li>Using privilege for good and to support inclusion and access for mental health services</li>
<li>Looking at the controversy in developing a progressive therapist directory</li>
<li>The goal to be inclusive, not solely politically progressive</li>
<li>White privilege and bias</li>
<li>The problems with Psychology Today and how this directory is slowly seeming to respond and start addressing racial and gender diversity</li>
<li>The white washing of therapy and the fight to increase access and diversity</li>
<li>Understanding the bias that is being reinforced by Disney Movies</li>
<li>How bias can show up in the therapy room, your marketing, and in your intake</li>
<li>Addressing systemic bias</li>
<li>The history of therapy and how it continues to influence bias</li>
<li>Looking at how implicit bias can be addressed by individual therapists</li>
<li>The biases that are less understood or addressed</li>
<li>The responsibility of therapists to actively work toward societal inclusion</li>
<li>The ability to change things in one generation</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>All Kinds of Burned Out</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/all-kinds-of-burned-out</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the different types of burnout. We look at the differences between employee and entrepreneur burnout, including how to prevent it and how to treat it.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The difference between burnout for employees and entrepreneurs

How the different nature of how we work impacts how/why we burn out

Employee burnout: cog in the machine, dehumanization, lack of agency

Entrepreneur burnout: hustling for income, decision fatigue, facing change with rigidity

How to prevent the different types of burnout

The importance for putting systems in place to decrease the tendency for entrepreneurial burnout

When passion and obsessive efforts can also cause burnout

The danger of having a lack of balance between passion and rest or personal life

Types of burnout – overload, underchallenged, neglect

Moral Injury, locus of control, and the impact of unhealthy work environments

The challenges of having to work outside of our “zone of genius” in starting a private practice

Different types of shame related to impostor syndrome, “hobby practice,” charging too much

How excuses can get in the way

Ideas on how to address burnout</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>All Kinds of Burned Out</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/ac305a08-690e-11ed-9001-9bdc9bffc90b/image/Episode_114.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the different types of burnout</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the different types of burnout. We look at the differences between employee and entrepreneur burnout, including how to prevent it and how to treat it.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The difference between burnout for employees and entrepreneurs

How the different nature of how we work impacts how/why we burn out

Employee burnout: cog in the machine, dehumanization, lack of agency

Entrepreneur burnout: hustling for income, decision fatigue, facing change with rigidity

How to prevent the different types of burnout

The importance for putting systems in place to decrease the tendency for entrepreneurial burnout

When passion and obsessive efforts can also cause burnout

The danger of having a lack of balance between passion and rest or personal life

Types of burnout – overload, underchallenged, neglect

Moral Injury, locus of control, and the impact of unhealthy work environments

The challenges of having to work outside of our “zone of genius” in starting a private practice

Different types of shame related to impostor syndrome, “hobby practice,” charging too much

How excuses can get in the way

Ideas on how to address burnout</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about the different types of burnout. We look at the differences between employee and entrepreneur burnout, including how to prevent it and how to treat it.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The difference between burnout for employees and entrepreneurs</li>
<li>How the different nature of how we work impacts how/why we burn out</li>
<li>Employee burnout: cog in the machine, dehumanization, lack of agency</li>
<li>Entrepreneur burnout: hustling for income, decision fatigue, facing change with rigidity</li>
<li>How to prevent the different types of burnout</li>
<li>The importance for putting systems in place to decrease the tendency for entrepreneurial burnout</li>
<li>When passion and obsessive efforts can also cause burnout</li>
<li>The danger of having a lack of balance between passion and rest or personal life</li>
<li>Types of burnout – overload, underchallenged, neglect</li>
<li>Moral Injury, locus of control, and the impact of unhealthy work environments</li>
<li>The challenges of having to work outside of our “zone of genius” in starting a private practice</li>
<li>Different types of shame related to impostor syndrome, “hobby practice,” charging too much</li>
<li>How excuses can get in the way</li>
<li>Ideas on how to address burnout</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <itunes:duration>2379</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Black Mental Health</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/black-mental-health</link>
      <description>An interview with Patrice Douglas, LMFT, talking about mental health stigma in the Black Community. Curt and Katie talk with Patrice about how she is working to decrease stigma and increase access to competent treatment for African Americans.
 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Patrice N. Douglas, LMFT, CAMS-I
Patrice N. Douglas is a licensed therapist, Certified Anger Management Specialist, and Certified Parent Child Interaction Therapist in California and Texas. She is currently a doctoral candidate at The Chicago School of Professional Psychology in Los Angeles. She is the owner of Empire Counseling &amp; Consultation located in CA, NY, and TX where she specializes in anger management, men’s issues, minority mental health, as well as parenting. Patrice is passionate about decreasing stigmas in minority communities by curating initiatives such a t-shirt campaign that spreads awareness about mental health as well as uses the profits to pay for therapy for those who can’t afford it as well as low cost workshops. She has been featured in Bustle, HelloGiggles, Therapy For Black Girls, and other platforms discussing the various topics surrounding mental health.
In this episode we talk about:

Mental Health Advocacy within the Black Community

Reducing Mental Health Stigma

How awesome Patrice’s Instagram is

The pros and cons about social media and how you can use it to decrease mental health stigma

Patrice’s Infographics and how she has used them (and the response that she has gotten)

The way Patrice has used social media to provide education and has gotten a lot of visibility

Culturally specific impacts of mental health concerns – historical context, religion, lack of trust

Barriers to Mental Health Treatment for African American Clients including cultural mistrust

The impact of slavery, experimentation, institutionalization on access and perspective

The importance of understanding cultural differences, stereotypes, privilege, bias

Advice for Allies – hold space, consultation, understand required competence

Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome – intergenerational trauma from slavery impacting the current generation of Black people

The movement that Patrice is starting to increase awareness and decrease stigma – through t-shirts, infographics

The importance of consultation, cultural humility, historical context</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Black Mental Health</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/ac7e96d2-690e-11ed-9001-6b785864f6b2/image/Episode_113.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Patrice Douglas, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Patrice Douglas, LMFT, talking about mental health stigma in the Black Community. Curt and Katie talk with Patrice about how she is working to decrease stigma and increase access to competent treatment for African Americans.
 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Patrice N. Douglas, LMFT, CAMS-I
Patrice N. Douglas is a licensed therapist, Certified Anger Management Specialist, and Certified Parent Child Interaction Therapist in California and Texas. She is currently a doctoral candidate at The Chicago School of Professional Psychology in Los Angeles. She is the owner of Empire Counseling &amp; Consultation located in CA, NY, and TX where she specializes in anger management, men’s issues, minority mental health, as well as parenting. Patrice is passionate about decreasing stigmas in minority communities by curating initiatives such a t-shirt campaign that spreads awareness about mental health as well as uses the profits to pay for therapy for those who can’t afford it as well as low cost workshops. She has been featured in Bustle, HelloGiggles, Therapy For Black Girls, and other platforms discussing the various topics surrounding mental health.
In this episode we talk about:

Mental Health Advocacy within the Black Community

Reducing Mental Health Stigma

How awesome Patrice’s Instagram is

The pros and cons about social media and how you can use it to decrease mental health stigma

Patrice’s Infographics and how she has used them (and the response that she has gotten)

The way Patrice has used social media to provide education and has gotten a lot of visibility

Culturally specific impacts of mental health concerns – historical context, religion, lack of trust

Barriers to Mental Health Treatment for African American Clients including cultural mistrust

The impact of slavery, experimentation, institutionalization on access and perspective

The importance of understanding cultural differences, stereotypes, privilege, bias

Advice for Allies – hold space, consultation, understand required competence

Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome – intergenerational trauma from slavery impacting the current generation of Black people

The movement that Patrice is starting to increase awareness and decrease stigma – through t-shirts, infographics

The importance of consultation, cultural humility, historical context</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Patrice Douglas, LMFT, talking about mental health stigma in the Black Community. Curt and Katie talk with Patrice about how she is working to decrease stigma and increase access to competent treatment for African Americans.</p><p> </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Patrice N. Douglas, LMFT, CAMS-I</p><p>Patrice N. Douglas is a licensed therapist, Certified Anger Management Specialist, and Certified Parent Child Interaction Therapist in California and Texas. She is currently a doctoral candidate at The Chicago School of Professional Psychology in Los Angeles. She is the owner of Empire Counseling &amp; Consultation located in CA, NY, and TX where she specializes in anger management, men’s issues, minority mental health, as well as parenting. Patrice is passionate about decreasing stigmas in minority communities by curating initiatives such a t-shirt campaign that spreads awareness about mental health as well as uses the profits to pay for therapy for those who can’t afford it as well as low cost workshops. She has been featured in Bustle, HelloGiggles, Therapy For Black Girls, and other platforms discussing the various topics surrounding mental health.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Mental Health Advocacy within the Black Community</li>
<li>Reducing Mental Health Stigma</li>
<li>How awesome Patrice’s Instagram is</li>
<li>The pros and cons about social media and how you can use it to decrease mental health stigma</li>
<li>Patrice’s Infographics and how she has used them (and the response that she has gotten)</li>
<li>The way Patrice has used social media to provide education and has gotten a lot of visibility</li>
<li>Culturally specific impacts of mental health concerns – historical context, religion, lack of trust</li>
<li>Barriers to Mental Health Treatment for African American Clients including cultural mistrust</li>
<li>The impact of slavery, experimentation, institutionalization on access and perspective</li>
<li>The importance of understanding cultural differences, stereotypes, privilege, bias</li>
<li>Advice for Allies – hold space, consultation, understand required competence</li>
<li>Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome – intergenerational trauma from slavery impacting the current generation of Black people</li>
<li>The movement that Patrice is starting to increase awareness and decrease stigma – through t-shirts, infographics</li>
<li>The importance of consultation, cultural humility, historical context</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Therapist Haters and Trolls</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapist-haters-and-trolls</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about haters, heated online discourse that seems to delight in shaming other therapists, Schadenfreude, and the laziness of taking other people down while squandering the opportunity for creativity and positive discourse.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The backlash from haters that is created when you step out as a therapist

The different theories: dehumanizing therapists, protecting the public from bad therapists, pushing back against innovation

Characterizing this dynamic as Schadenfreude (and defining it)

The irony that therapists are not showing positive, healthy communication online

How jealousy and impostor syndrome can show up

The ways that therapist training may contribute to these unhealthy conversations

Dehumanizing people into brands or when people become intertwined with their concept and the idea is humanized

The entitlement that people can feel when interacting with brands, forgetting that there are people behind these brands

The emotionality and righteousness in the communication

The act of bringing other people down in a public forum, rather than raising up own arguments

The plea to bring in alternative perspectives to add to the discourse, rather than focusing on taking the other person down

The laziness in just saying that you don’t like something, a passive “take down”

The reinforcement that trolls get (likes, comments, arguments) and a call to action to stop feeding the trolls

How the bystander role might be relevant

Responsibilities of original posters and commenters

The impact of social media on professional reputation

Curt’s plea to #CitetheStatute

The way that social media can feel like we’re talking to ourselves, or to people who are far removed and somehow not impacted by us

The lack of emotional resources that can impact how we engage with our community of therapists online

The possibilities when we are able to use these social networks for creativity and discourse</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapist Trolls and Haters</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/accc85a4-690e-11ed-9001-671ba3551af9/image/Episode_112.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the Schadenfreude and righteousness that seems to pop up in therapist communities online</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about haters, heated online discourse that seems to delight in shaming other therapists, Schadenfreude, and the laziness of taking other people down while squandering the opportunity for creativity and positive discourse.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The backlash from haters that is created when you step out as a therapist

The different theories: dehumanizing therapists, protecting the public from bad therapists, pushing back against innovation

Characterizing this dynamic as Schadenfreude (and defining it)

The irony that therapists are not showing positive, healthy communication online

How jealousy and impostor syndrome can show up

The ways that therapist training may contribute to these unhealthy conversations

Dehumanizing people into brands or when people become intertwined with their concept and the idea is humanized

The entitlement that people can feel when interacting with brands, forgetting that there are people behind these brands

The emotionality and righteousness in the communication

The act of bringing other people down in a public forum, rather than raising up own arguments

The plea to bring in alternative perspectives to add to the discourse, rather than focusing on taking the other person down

The laziness in just saying that you don’t like something, a passive “take down”

The reinforcement that trolls get (likes, comments, arguments) and a call to action to stop feeding the trolls

How the bystander role might be relevant

Responsibilities of original posters and commenters

The impact of social media on professional reputation

Curt’s plea to #CitetheStatute

The way that social media can feel like we’re talking to ourselves, or to people who are far removed and somehow not impacted by us

The lack of emotional resources that can impact how we engage with our community of therapists online

The possibilities when we are able to use these social networks for creativity and discourse</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about haters, heated online discourse that seems to delight in shaming other therapists, Schadenfreude, and the laziness of taking other people down while squandering the opportunity for creativity and positive discourse.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The backlash from haters that is created when you step out as a therapist</li>
<li>The different theories: dehumanizing therapists, protecting the public from bad therapists, pushing back against innovation</li>
<li>Characterizing this dynamic as Schadenfreude (and defining it)</li>
<li>The irony that therapists are not showing positive, healthy communication online</li>
<li>How jealousy and impostor syndrome can show up</li>
<li>The ways that therapist training may contribute to these unhealthy conversations</li>
<li>Dehumanizing people into brands or when people become intertwined with their concept and the idea is humanized</li>
<li>The entitlement that people can feel when interacting with brands, forgetting that there are people behind these brands</li>
<li>The emotionality and righteousness in the communication</li>
<li>The act of bringing other people down in a public forum, rather than raising up own arguments</li>
<li>The plea to bring in alternative perspectives to add to the discourse, rather than focusing on taking the other person down</li>
<li>The laziness in just saying that you don’t like something, a passive “take down”</li>
<li>The reinforcement that trolls get (likes, comments, arguments) and a call to action to stop feeding the trolls</li>
<li>How the bystander role might be relevant</li>
<li>Responsibilities of original posters and commenters</li>
<li>The impact of social media on professional reputation</li>
<li>Curt’s plea to #CitetheStatute</li>
<li>The way that social media can feel like we’re talking to ourselves, or to people who are far removed and somehow not impacted by us</li>
<li>The lack of emotional resources that can impact how we engage with our community of therapists online</li>
<li>The possibilities when we are able to use these social networks for creativity and discourse</li>
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      <title>Not Your Typical Psychotherapist</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/not-your-typical-psychotherapist</link>
      <description>An interview with Ernesto Segismundo, Jr., M.S. LMFT about what it means to be “not your typical psychotherapist.” Curt and Katie talk with Ernesto about the overlap with the #moderntherapist and how to navigate the unique challenges of being different as a therapist.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Ernesto Segismundo, Jr. M.S. LMFT
Ernesto Segismundo is a licensed marriage and family therapist. Ernesto received his undergraduate degree in psychology from Biola University and received his Masters of Science degree in Clinical Psychology from Vanguard University. Ernesto has over 10 years of clinical counseling experience working in settings such as group homes, domestic violence shelters, churches, and outpatient programs. Ernesto treats marriage and family relationship problems. Ernesto also treat individuals suffering from depression, anxiety and addiction.
 Along with Ernesto’s counseling experience, he has conducted various classes and seminars concerning relationships and mental health related topics such as parenting, substance abuse, maintaining healthy marriages, private practice social media and video marketing and managed care practices.
Ernesto is currently an adjunct professor at Hope International University and owns a group practice called CAV Family Therapy with offices located in Huntington Beach and Fullerton California.
 
In this episode we talk about:

The return of Ernesto Segismundo

Ernesto’s vision for traveling continuing education

The Not Your Typical Psychotherapist Summit

What it means to be a “not the typical psychotherapist” and the cross-over with #moderntherapists

The difficulty with have “haters” when you break out of the norm

The challenge of trying to do something and then getting shamed for not doing “enough.”

The importance of finding support with people who get it

The big vision that puts you in front of a large audience and makes you vulnerable

What it means to be authentically yourself and keep putting yourself out there

How being yourself is the same as branding – you will attract and you will repel

The social proof that can strongly contribute to these movements

How these movements can contribute to improvements in mental health stigma, mental health access

The importance of celebrating differences and accepting each other as atypical therapists

The benefits and the draw backs of communication on social media

How to effect change or provide feedback to people who are in the public eye

The difficulty when someone is shamed on social media

How you can take care of yourself as someone who is willing to step outside of the box

An Alternate title: Congratulations you now have haters</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Jul 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Not Your Typical Psychotherapist: An interview with Ernesto Segismundo</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Ernesto Segismundo, Jr., LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Ernesto Segismundo, Jr., M.S. LMFT about what it means to be “not your typical psychotherapist.” Curt and Katie talk with Ernesto about the overlap with the #moderntherapist and how to navigate the unique challenges of being different as a therapist.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Ernesto Segismundo, Jr. M.S. LMFT
Ernesto Segismundo is a licensed marriage and family therapist. Ernesto received his undergraduate degree in psychology from Biola University and received his Masters of Science degree in Clinical Psychology from Vanguard University. Ernesto has over 10 years of clinical counseling experience working in settings such as group homes, domestic violence shelters, churches, and outpatient programs. Ernesto treats marriage and family relationship problems. Ernesto also treat individuals suffering from depression, anxiety and addiction.
 Along with Ernesto’s counseling experience, he has conducted various classes and seminars concerning relationships and mental health related topics such as parenting, substance abuse, maintaining healthy marriages, private practice social media and video marketing and managed care practices.
Ernesto is currently an adjunct professor at Hope International University and owns a group practice called CAV Family Therapy with offices located in Huntington Beach and Fullerton California.
 
In this episode we talk about:

The return of Ernesto Segismundo

Ernesto’s vision for traveling continuing education

The Not Your Typical Psychotherapist Summit

What it means to be a “not the typical psychotherapist” and the cross-over with #moderntherapists

The difficulty with have “haters” when you break out of the norm

The challenge of trying to do something and then getting shamed for not doing “enough.”

The importance of finding support with people who get it

The big vision that puts you in front of a large audience and makes you vulnerable

What it means to be authentically yourself and keep putting yourself out there

How being yourself is the same as branding – you will attract and you will repel

The social proof that can strongly contribute to these movements

How these movements can contribute to improvements in mental health stigma, mental health access

The importance of celebrating differences and accepting each other as atypical therapists

The benefits and the draw backs of communication on social media

How to effect change or provide feedback to people who are in the public eye

The difficulty when someone is shamed on social media

How you can take care of yourself as someone who is willing to step outside of the box

An Alternate title: Congratulations you now have haters</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Ernesto Segismundo, Jr., M.S. LMFT about what it means to be “not your typical psychotherapist.” Curt and Katie talk with Ernesto about the overlap with the #moderntherapist and how to navigate the unique challenges of being different as a therapist.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Ernesto Segismundo, Jr. M.S. LMFT</p><p>Ernesto Segismundo is a licensed marriage and family therapist. Ernesto received his undergraduate degree in psychology from Biola University and received his Masters of Science degree in Clinical Psychology from Vanguard University. Ernesto has over 10 years of clinical counseling experience working in settings such as group homes, domestic violence shelters, churches, and outpatient programs. Ernesto treats marriage and family relationship problems. Ernesto also treat individuals suffering from depression, anxiety and addiction.</p><p> Along with Ernesto’s counseling experience, he has conducted various classes and seminars concerning relationships and mental health related topics such as parenting, substance abuse, maintaining healthy marriages, private practice social media and video marketing and managed care practices.</p><p>Ernesto is currently an adjunct professor at Hope International University and owns a group practice called CAV Family Therapy with offices located in Huntington Beach and Fullerton California.</p><p> </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The return of Ernesto Segismundo</li>
<li>Ernesto’s vision for traveling continuing education</li>
<li>The Not Your Typical Psychotherapist Summit</li>
<li>What it means to be a “not the typical psychotherapist” and the cross-over with #moderntherapists</li>
<li>The difficulty with have “haters” when you break out of the norm</li>
<li>The challenge of trying to do something and then getting shamed for not doing “enough.”</li>
<li>The importance of finding support with people who get it</li>
<li>The big vision that puts you in front of a large audience and makes you vulnerable</li>
<li>What it means to be authentically yourself and keep putting yourself out there</li>
<li>How being yourself is the same as branding – you will attract and you will repel</li>
<li>The social proof that can strongly contribute to these movements</li>
<li>How these movements can contribute to improvements in mental health stigma, mental health access</li>
<li>The importance of celebrating differences and accepting each other as atypical therapists</li>
<li>The benefits and the draw backs of communication on social media</li>
<li>How to effect change or provide feedback to people who are in the public eye</li>
<li>The difficulty when someone is shamed on social media</li>
<li>How you can take care of yourself as someone who is willing to step outside of the box</li>
<li>An Alternate title: Congratulations you now have haters</li>
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      <title>Summer Slow Down</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/summer-slow-down</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how to successfully navigate the changes that occur during the summer when you’re in private practice. We look at how to plan for the whole year, sync your vacations with your clients, get business maintenance done during the summer, and make sure you’re incorporating your own self-care.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The change of pace that often happens when the summer hits

The importance of taking a bird’s eye view of the full year, rather than focusing month to month

How to set your fees to address the time off and missed sessions during the year

Planning your vacation at the same time that your clients will be out

The need to lead by example, showing self-care and boundaries

How to take advantage of down times, so that you are ready for the uptick when the fall hits

The types of assessments that you can do on your practice during the summer

How to move away from panic, by planning financially for the full year

The MTSG challenge: Catch up on your notes in July

Setting yourself up for a more lucrative practice with increasing fees or cleaning up practices

Taking vacations and getting your practice vacation ready

Vacation coverage and helping your practice stay responsive during your vacation

The joy of implementing your systems during the slower times (because it takes time)

The possibility of having a better schedule when the summer ends – assessing and moving to an ideal schedule after moving people around during the summer

Getting training during the summer, so you can actually implement it deliberately

Re-evaluating your personal routines and self-care/self-maintenance

Putting some effort into getting content (social media, blog posts, marketing, etc.) planned out and created

Capitalizing on the creative time out of the office

Evaluating your practice and your business planning</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Summer Slow Down</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how to navigate the summer in private practice</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how to successfully navigate the changes that occur during the summer when you’re in private practice. We look at how to plan for the whole year, sync your vacations with your clients, get business maintenance done during the summer, and make sure you’re incorporating your own self-care.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The change of pace that often happens when the summer hits

The importance of taking a bird’s eye view of the full year, rather than focusing month to month

How to set your fees to address the time off and missed sessions during the year

Planning your vacation at the same time that your clients will be out

The need to lead by example, showing self-care and boundaries

How to take advantage of down times, so that you are ready for the uptick when the fall hits

The types of assessments that you can do on your practice during the summer

How to move away from panic, by planning financially for the full year

The MTSG challenge: Catch up on your notes in July

Setting yourself up for a more lucrative practice with increasing fees or cleaning up practices

Taking vacations and getting your practice vacation ready

Vacation coverage and helping your practice stay responsive during your vacation

The joy of implementing your systems during the slower times (because it takes time)

The possibility of having a better schedule when the summer ends – assessing and moving to an ideal schedule after moving people around during the summer

Getting training during the summer, so you can actually implement it deliberately

Re-evaluating your personal routines and self-care/self-maintenance

Putting some effort into getting content (social media, blog posts, marketing, etc.) planned out and created

Capitalizing on the creative time out of the office

Evaluating your practice and your business planning</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how to successfully navigate the changes that occur during the summer when you’re in private practice. We look at how to plan for the whole year, sync your vacations with your clients, get business maintenance done during the summer, and make sure you’re incorporating your own self-care.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The change of pace that often happens when the summer hits</li>
<li>The importance of taking a bird’s eye view of the full year, rather than focusing month to month</li>
<li>How to set your fees to address the time off and missed sessions during the year</li>
<li>Planning your vacation at the same time that your clients will be out</li>
<li>The need to lead by example, showing self-care and boundaries</li>
<li>How to take advantage of down times, so that you are ready for the uptick when the fall hits</li>
<li>The types of assessments that you can do on your practice during the summer</li>
<li>How to move away from panic, by planning financially for the full year</li>
<li>The MTSG challenge: Catch up on your notes in July</li>
<li>Setting yourself up for a more lucrative practice with increasing fees or cleaning up practices</li>
<li>Taking vacations and getting your practice vacation ready</li>
<li>Vacation coverage and helping your practice stay responsive during your vacation</li>
<li>The joy of implementing your systems during the slower times (because it takes time)</li>
<li>The possibility of having a better schedule when the summer ends – assessing and moving to an ideal schedule after moving people around during the summer</li>
<li>Getting training during the summer, so you can actually implement it deliberately</li>
<li>Re-evaluating your personal routines and self-care/self-maintenance</li>
<li>Putting some effort into getting content (social media, blog posts, marketing, etc.) planned out and created</li>
<li>Capitalizing on the creative time out of the office</li>
<li>Evaluating your practice and your business planning</li>
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      <itunes:duration>1915</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Creating Opportunities</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/creating-opportunities</link>
      <description>An interview with Marissa Lawton, Licensed Counselor, about creating your own business opportunities when you identify a need in your community (or yourself). Curt and Katie talk with Marissa about how to identify what type of entrepreneur you are, how to identify opportunities, and what to consider when adding these businesses to your therapy practice.
 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Marissa Lawton, Licensed Counselor and Scaling Strategist for the Solo-Therapist
Marissa Lawton is a licensed counselor, national board-certified counselor, and member of the American Counseling Association. She is also a corporate-trained marketer, girlmom, and brand whisperer who lights up walking solo-therapists through aligned business building strategies. Marissa is the creator of Side Hustle Support Group, a 6-month mentorship that helps therapists capitalize on their experience and education and pair it with their innate stories and superpowers to scale both themselves and their practices through online income.
Her upcoming program, Baby Steps Beyond the Couch, teaches her 90-day methodology for therapists to make their first recurring $1000 in non-clinical revenue. Opening them up to the world of possibilities beyond seeing 1:1 clients. You can learn more about Marissa at marissalawton.com
In this episode we talk about:

Marissa’s background in corporate finance

What happened for Marissa when Lehman Brothers died and her husband was stationed in the middle of nowhere Alaska

How Marissa recreated herself when it became clear that she couldn’t have a conventional job

The entrepreneurial practice of finding a gap to fill and how therapists are actually at an advantage

The strengths that therapists bring to their work

How therapists can miss opportunities due to fear or lack of confidence

How to find your passion and what you need to share

When comparison can hold us back

How we can find needs in our communities, and figuring out

The Four Types of Entrepreneurs and the strengths of each

The need for transparency in business and how that impacts therapists

How to manage the power dynamic when you are a therapist and have another entrepreneurial pursuit

How to talk about determining where clients fit and how to navigate the dual relationships that can develop</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Creating Opportunities</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/adb520ac-690e-11ed-9001-5f378df25093/image/Episode_109.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Marissa Lawton</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Marissa Lawton, Licensed Counselor, about creating your own business opportunities when you identify a need in your community (or yourself). Curt and Katie talk with Marissa about how to identify what type of entrepreneur you are, how to identify opportunities, and what to consider when adding these businesses to your therapy practice.
 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Marissa Lawton, Licensed Counselor and Scaling Strategist for the Solo-Therapist
Marissa Lawton is a licensed counselor, national board-certified counselor, and member of the American Counseling Association. She is also a corporate-trained marketer, girlmom, and brand whisperer who lights up walking solo-therapists through aligned business building strategies. Marissa is the creator of Side Hustle Support Group, a 6-month mentorship that helps therapists capitalize on their experience and education and pair it with their innate stories and superpowers to scale both themselves and their practices through online income.
Her upcoming program, Baby Steps Beyond the Couch, teaches her 90-day methodology for therapists to make their first recurring $1000 in non-clinical revenue. Opening them up to the world of possibilities beyond seeing 1:1 clients. You can learn more about Marissa at marissalawton.com
In this episode we talk about:

Marissa’s background in corporate finance

What happened for Marissa when Lehman Brothers died and her husband was stationed in the middle of nowhere Alaska

How Marissa recreated herself when it became clear that she couldn’t have a conventional job

The entrepreneurial practice of finding a gap to fill and how therapists are actually at an advantage

The strengths that therapists bring to their work

How therapists can miss opportunities due to fear or lack of confidence

How to find your passion and what you need to share

When comparison can hold us back

How we can find needs in our communities, and figuring out

The Four Types of Entrepreneurs and the strengths of each

The need for transparency in business and how that impacts therapists

How to manage the power dynamic when you are a therapist and have another entrepreneurial pursuit

How to talk about determining where clients fit and how to navigate the dual relationships that can develop</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Marissa Lawton, Licensed Counselor, about creating your own business opportunities when you identify a need in your community (or yourself). Curt and Katie talk with Marissa about how to identify what type of entrepreneur you are, how to identify opportunities, and what to consider when adding these businesses to your therapy practice.</p><p> </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Marissa Lawton, Licensed Counselor and Scaling Strategist for the Solo-Therapist</p><p>Marissa Lawton is a licensed counselor, national board-certified counselor, and member of the American Counseling Association. She is also a corporate-trained marketer, girlmom, and brand whisperer who lights up walking solo-therapists through aligned business building strategies. Marissa is the creator of Side Hustle Support Group, a 6-month mentorship that helps therapists capitalize on their experience and education and pair it with their innate stories and superpowers to scale both themselves and their practices through online income.</p><p>Her upcoming program, Baby Steps Beyond the Couch, teaches her 90-day methodology for therapists to make their first recurring $1000 in non-clinical revenue. Opening them up to the world of possibilities beyond seeing 1:1 clients. You can learn more about Marissa at marissalawton.com</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Marissa’s background in corporate finance</li>
<li>What happened for Marissa when Lehman Brothers died and her husband was stationed in the middle of nowhere Alaska</li>
<li>How Marissa recreated herself when it became clear that she couldn’t have a conventional job</li>
<li>The entrepreneurial practice of finding a gap to fill and how therapists are actually at an advantage</li>
<li>The strengths that therapists bring to their work</li>
<li>How therapists can miss opportunities due to fear or lack of confidence</li>
<li>How to find your passion and what you need to share</li>
<li>When comparison can hold us back</li>
<li>How we can find needs in our communities, and figuring out</li>
<li>The Four Types of Entrepreneurs and the strengths of each</li>
<li>The need for transparency in business and how that impacts therapists</li>
<li>How to manage the power dynamic when you are a therapist and have another entrepreneurial pursuit</li>
<li>How to talk about determining where clients fit and how to navigate the dual relationships that can develop</li>
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      <title>Off-Duty Therapist</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/off-duty-therapist</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how therapists can be called into action in their off time. We look at how being a therapist can impact our relationships, how to put boundaries around your therapist role, and the risks of crossing boundaries between personal and professional roles with your friends and family members.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The different things that therapists might complain about with their therapist friends

How to identify what role you play with the people in your life

How to not do therapy with your friends or others who are seeking “free therapy”

Limit-setting, navigating your loved one’s needs

Becoming a resource, not a therapist

Giving referrals, supporting connection

Specific tactics about how to avoid being the “counselor” for your friends and family members

The importance of empowering the people around you to soothe themselves

When it is hard to take off the therapist hat

Determining how you engage, what emotional energy you have to give after a therapy day

When you may decide to step across the line

Determining which role your friend or family member actually want you to play

How perspective-taking can start irritating the people in our lives and may even lead to you losing your sense of self and identity

The expectations that others can have of us

How to set the boundaries with your friends and family members

The impact of how the role we played in our family of origin can mean a bit role shift after we train to be a therapist

How being an emotional hub can impact you as a therapist in the room

When it is okay to use some of your therapist skills in your relationships

How compassion fatigue and bias can make you a less empathic to your loved ones</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Off-Duty Therapist</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how therapists handle relationships in their off time</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how therapists can be called into action in their off time. We look at how being a therapist can impact our relationships, how to put boundaries around your therapist role, and the risks of crossing boundaries between personal and professional roles with your friends and family members.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The different things that therapists might complain about with their therapist friends

How to identify what role you play with the people in your life

How to not do therapy with your friends or others who are seeking “free therapy”

Limit-setting, navigating your loved one’s needs

Becoming a resource, not a therapist

Giving referrals, supporting connection

Specific tactics about how to avoid being the “counselor” for your friends and family members

The importance of empowering the people around you to soothe themselves

When it is hard to take off the therapist hat

Determining how you engage, what emotional energy you have to give after a therapy day

When you may decide to step across the line

Determining which role your friend or family member actually want you to play

How perspective-taking can start irritating the people in our lives and may even lead to you losing your sense of self and identity

The expectations that others can have of us

How to set the boundaries with your friends and family members

The impact of how the role we played in our family of origin can mean a bit role shift after we train to be a therapist

How being an emotional hub can impact you as a therapist in the room

When it is okay to use some of your therapist skills in your relationships

How compassion fatigue and bias can make you a less empathic to your loved ones</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how therapists can be called into action in their off time. We look at how being a therapist can impact our relationships, how to put boundaries around your therapist role, and the risks of crossing boundaries between personal and professional roles with your friends and family members.    </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The different things that therapists might complain about with their therapist friends</li>
<li>How to identify what role you play with the people in your life</li>
<li>How to not do therapy with your friends or others who are seeking “free therapy”</li>
<li>Limit-setting, navigating your loved one’s needs</li>
<li>Becoming a resource, not a therapist</li>
<li>Giving referrals, supporting connection</li>
<li>Specific tactics about how to avoid being the “counselor” for your friends and family members</li>
<li>The importance of empowering the people around you to soothe themselves</li>
<li>When it is hard to take off the therapist hat</li>
<li>Determining how you engage, what emotional energy you have to give after a therapy day</li>
<li>When you may decide to step across the line</li>
<li>Determining which role your friend or family member actually want you to play</li>
<li>How perspective-taking can start irritating the people in our lives and may even lead to you losing your sense of self and identity</li>
<li>The expectations that others can have of us</li>
<li>How to set the boundaries with your friends and family members</li>
<li>The impact of how the role we played in our family of origin can mean a bit role shift after we train to be a therapist</li>
<li>How being an emotional hub can impact you as a therapist in the room</li>
<li>When it is okay to use some of your therapist skills in your relationships</li>
<li>How compassion fatigue and bias can make you a less empathic to your loved ones</li>
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      <title>Death, Dying, and Grief</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/death-dying-and-grief</link>
      <description>An interview with Jill Johnson-Young, LCSW about how we have been trained to handle grief wrong. Curt and Katie talk with Jill about what the Kubler-Ross model is useful for (and what it’s not) as well has how therapists can better deal with grief – for themselves and in their practice.
 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jill A. Johnson-Young, LCSW, Grief educator, and CEO of Central Counseling Services of Riverside and Murrieta
Jill Johnson-Young, LCSW is a dynamic and engaging presenter. She is consistently noted for providing thorough and useful information to meet the needs of the audience. Professional and community seminars have returned reviews thanking her for being the best seminar of the conference, for being personable and including questions from the participants, and for both the lecture content and the interactive portions of the programs. Jill is available for presentations about the following issues:

Grief and loss: all ages, all kinds of losses (pets, family, friends, chronic illness and sudden losses, hospice and what to expect, new ways to see grief, coping, how loss impacts the grieving person, others)

Dementia: Losses, involved, coping for those with dementia and those impacted by it, recovery after a loss form dementia, family dynamics in coping with dementia

When she is not out speaking, which is one of Jill’s favorite parts of her career, she is the CEO and Clinical Director of Central Counseling Services in Riverside, California. She is a certified Grief Recovery Facilitator and specializes her private practice work in grief and loss, dementia, trauma, and adoption issues. She has more than a decade of experience with hospice and trains therapists and social workers in areas that include correctly treating childhood trauma, grief and loss, and dementia care. She holds a BA from UC Riverside and her MSW from the University of South Florida.
In this episode we talk about:

Jill’s story and how she has been nicknamed the grief whisperer, the rebellious widow, and a black widow and how she is a grief rebel disruptor

How Elizabeth Kubler-Ross is used incorrectly – it was designed for anticipatory grief

The “common knowledge” about grief that is not really common knowledge

How our society commonly avoids death, dying, and grief – even therapists are afraid of funerals

What normalizing death can do to help your clients, especially children

The importance of integrating a lost loved one into your sense of self

The unexpected consequences of grief

Physical, cognitive, emotional, and relational effects of grief

Therapists’ responsibility when treating a griever

The concept of reconstructing your life after a loss

The differences between typical loss and traumatic loss

How people grieve differently, especially related to roles, development, family dynamics

Why to pull back from deifying the dead

How therapists can handle when their own grief comes up with grieving clients

What therapists (and all people) do wrong when interacting with a griever

How celebrities dying can impact our clients</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2019 16:17:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Death, Dying, and Grief</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Jill johnson-Young, LCSW</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Jill Johnson-Young, LCSW about how we have been trained to handle grief wrong. Curt and Katie talk with Jill about what the Kubler-Ross model is useful for (and what it’s not) as well has how therapists can better deal with grief – for themselves and in their practice.
 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jill A. Johnson-Young, LCSW, Grief educator, and CEO of Central Counseling Services of Riverside and Murrieta
Jill Johnson-Young, LCSW is a dynamic and engaging presenter. She is consistently noted for providing thorough and useful information to meet the needs of the audience. Professional and community seminars have returned reviews thanking her for being the best seminar of the conference, for being personable and including questions from the participants, and for both the lecture content and the interactive portions of the programs. Jill is available for presentations about the following issues:

Grief and loss: all ages, all kinds of losses (pets, family, friends, chronic illness and sudden losses, hospice and what to expect, new ways to see grief, coping, how loss impacts the grieving person, others)

Dementia: Losses, involved, coping for those with dementia and those impacted by it, recovery after a loss form dementia, family dynamics in coping with dementia

When she is not out speaking, which is one of Jill’s favorite parts of her career, she is the CEO and Clinical Director of Central Counseling Services in Riverside, California. She is a certified Grief Recovery Facilitator and specializes her private practice work in grief and loss, dementia, trauma, and adoption issues. She has more than a decade of experience with hospice and trains therapists and social workers in areas that include correctly treating childhood trauma, grief and loss, and dementia care. She holds a BA from UC Riverside and her MSW from the University of South Florida.
In this episode we talk about:

Jill’s story and how she has been nicknamed the grief whisperer, the rebellious widow, and a black widow and how she is a grief rebel disruptor

How Elizabeth Kubler-Ross is used incorrectly – it was designed for anticipatory grief

The “common knowledge” about grief that is not really common knowledge

How our society commonly avoids death, dying, and grief – even therapists are afraid of funerals

What normalizing death can do to help your clients, especially children

The importance of integrating a lost loved one into your sense of self

The unexpected consequences of grief

Physical, cognitive, emotional, and relational effects of grief

Therapists’ responsibility when treating a griever

The concept of reconstructing your life after a loss

The differences between typical loss and traumatic loss

How people grieve differently, especially related to roles, development, family dynamics

Why to pull back from deifying the dead

How therapists can handle when their own grief comes up with grieving clients

What therapists (and all people) do wrong when interacting with a griever

How celebrities dying can impact our clients</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Jill Johnson-Young, LCSW about how we have been trained to handle grief wrong. Curt and Katie talk with Jill about what the Kubler-Ross model is useful for (and what it’s not) as well has how therapists can better deal with grief – for themselves and in their practice.</p><p> </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Jill A. Johnson-Young, LCSW, Grief educator, and CEO of Central Counseling Services of Riverside and Murrieta</p><p>Jill Johnson-Young, LCSW is a dynamic and engaging presenter. She is consistently noted for providing thorough and useful information to meet the needs of the audience. Professional and community seminars have returned reviews thanking her for being the best seminar of the conference, for being personable and including questions from the participants, and for both the lecture content and the interactive portions of the programs. Jill is available for presentations about the following issues:</p><ul>
<li>Grief and loss: all ages, all kinds of losses (pets, family, friends, chronic illness and sudden losses, hospice and what to expect, new ways to see grief, coping, how loss impacts the grieving person, others)</li>
<li>Dementia: Losses, involved, coping for those with dementia and those impacted by it, recovery after a loss form dementia, family dynamics in coping with dementia</li>
</ul><p>When she is not out speaking, which is one of Jill’s favorite parts of her career, she is the CEO and Clinical Director of Central Counseling Services in Riverside, California. She is a certified Grief Recovery Facilitator and specializes her private practice work in grief and loss, dementia, trauma, and adoption issues. She has more than a decade of experience with hospice and trains therapists and social workers in areas that include correctly treating childhood trauma, grief and loss, and dementia care. She holds a BA from UC Riverside and her MSW from the University of South Florida.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Jill’s story and how she has been nicknamed the grief whisperer, the rebellious widow, and a black widow and how she is a grief rebel disruptor</li>
<li>How Elizabeth Kubler-Ross is used incorrectly – it was designed for anticipatory grief</li>
<li>The “common knowledge” about grief that is not really common knowledge</li>
<li>How our society commonly avoids death, dying, and grief – even therapists are afraid of funerals</li>
<li>What normalizing death can do to help your clients, especially children</li>
<li>The importance of integrating a lost loved one into your sense of self</li>
<li>The unexpected consequences of grief</li>
<li>Physical, cognitive, emotional, and relational effects of grief</li>
<li>Therapists’ responsibility when treating a griever</li>
<li>The concept of reconstructing your life after a loss</li>
<li>The differences between typical loss and traumatic loss</li>
<li>How people grieve differently, especially related to roles, development, family dynamics</li>
<li>Why to pull back from deifying the dead</li>
<li>How therapists can handle when their own grief comes up with grieving clients</li>
<li>What therapists (and all people) do wrong when interacting with a griever</li>
<li>How celebrities dying can impact our clients</li>
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      <title>Interdisciplinary Teams</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/interdisciplinary-teams</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about treatment teaming as a therapist. We look at why you should do it, things to consider, and what it looks like in different settings.     
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Treatment teams as the most effective way to work with clients

The education gap for people related to creating treatment teams

The difficulty with the model of the therapist being the primary agent for change

The different roles of treatment team members, especially as a therapist

The distinction between diagnosis for medical necessity and for the clinical case conceptualization

Specific things related to working with psychiatrists

The challenge related to perceived hierarchy within the profession

The value of having a treatment team leader and how to identify who should be the leader

The importance of having a lot of information and additional perspectives

The scope of practice considerations and how to talk with someone who has a different scope

Fragmented communication within treatment teams

Community Mental Health programs that require treatment teaming

The different way that we set up a treatment teams when we’re in private practice

Confidentiality and communication concerns when treatment teaming

How to interact with the other team members

The educational considerations related to treatment teaming

The “mercenary” reason to do treatment teaming

Our Generous Sponsor:
Therapy Reimagined 2019: The Modern Therapist Conference presented by SimplePractice
October 18 and 19th in Universal City, CA – Hang out with the cool #moderntherapists! We are sponsoring our own podcast because we are so excited about the conference!
Grab your continuing education for the year and get trained up on business building, diversity, technology, self-care and all-around amazing professional development this October! Come join us in-person for the same fun we bring to the podcast!!
Use the promo code MTSG50 to get $50 off your full conference ticket.
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Wraparound Services within Community Mental Health
Article: Hoge MA, Morris J, Daniels A, et al. (2007). An Action Plan on Behavioral Health Workforce Development. Rockville, Md, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
 
Relevant Episodes:
In-Person Networking
 
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Therapy Reimagined 2019
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 
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      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Interdisciplinary Teams</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about treatment teaming as a therapist</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about treatment teaming as a therapist. We look at why you should do it, things to consider, and what it looks like in different settings.     
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Treatment teams as the most effective way to work with clients

The education gap for people related to creating treatment teams

The difficulty with the model of the therapist being the primary agent for change

The different roles of treatment team members, especially as a therapist

The distinction between diagnosis for medical necessity and for the clinical case conceptualization

Specific things related to working with psychiatrists

The challenge related to perceived hierarchy within the profession

The value of having a treatment team leader and how to identify who should be the leader

The importance of having a lot of information and additional perspectives

The scope of practice considerations and how to talk with someone who has a different scope

Fragmented communication within treatment teams

Community Mental Health programs that require treatment teaming

The different way that we set up a treatment teams when we’re in private practice

Confidentiality and communication concerns when treatment teaming

How to interact with the other team members

The educational considerations related to treatment teaming

The “mercenary” reason to do treatment teaming

Our Generous Sponsor:
Therapy Reimagined 2019: The Modern Therapist Conference presented by SimplePractice
October 18 and 19th in Universal City, CA – Hang out with the cool #moderntherapists! We are sponsoring our own podcast because we are so excited about the conference!
Grab your continuing education for the year and get trained up on business building, diversity, technology, self-care and all-around amazing professional development this October! Come join us in-person for the same fun we bring to the podcast!!
Use the promo code MTSG50 to get $50 off your full conference ticket.
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Wraparound Services within Community Mental Health
Article: Hoge MA, Morris J, Daniels A, et al. (2007). An Action Plan on Behavioral Health Workforce Development. Rockville, Md, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
 
Relevant Episodes:
In-Person Networking
 
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Therapy Reimagined 2019
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 
 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about treatment teaming as a therapist. We look at why you should do it, things to consider, and what it looks like in different settings.     </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Treatment teams as the most effective way to work with clients</li>
<li>The education gap for people related to creating treatment teams</li>
<li>The difficulty with the model of the therapist being the primary agent for change</li>
<li>The different roles of treatment team members, especially as a therapist</li>
<li>The distinction between diagnosis for medical necessity and for the clinical case conceptualization</li>
<li>Specific things related to working with psychiatrists</li>
<li>The challenge related to perceived hierarchy within the profession</li>
<li>The value of having a treatment team leader and how to identify who should be the leader</li>
<li>The importance of having a lot of information and additional perspectives</li>
<li>The scope of practice considerations and how to talk with someone who has a different scope</li>
<li>Fragmented communication within treatment teams</li>
<li>Community Mental Health programs that require treatment teaming</li>
<li>The different way that we set up a treatment teams when we’re in private practice</li>
<li>Confidentiality and communication concerns when treatment teaming</li>
<li>How to interact with the other team members</li>
<li>The educational considerations related to treatment teaming</li>
<li>The “mercenary” reason to do treatment teaming</li>
</ul><p>Our Generous Sponsor:</p><p>Therapy Reimagined 2019: The Modern Therapist Conference presented by SimplePractice</p><p>October 18 and 19th in Universal City, CA – Hang out with the cool #moderntherapists! We are sponsoring our own podcast because we are so excited about the conference!</p><p>Grab your continuing education for the year and get trained up on business building, diversity, technology, self-care and all-around amazing professional development this October! Come join us in-person for the same fun we bring to the podcast!!</p><p>Use the promo code MTSG50 to get $50 off your full conference ticket.</p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.lacdcfs.org/katieA/wraparound/index.html">Wraparound Services within Community Mental Health</a></p><p>Article: <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19564217">Hoge MA, Morris J, Daniels A, et al. (2007). An Action Plan on Behavioral Health Workforce Development. Rockville, Md, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/in-person-networking/">In-Person Networking</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://d.docs.live.net/c2b564d98d95b825/Curt%20and%20Katie%20-%20Therapy%20Reimagined%20and%20Survival%20Guide/MTSG%20Podcast/Show%20notes/second.therapyreimaginedconference.com"> Therapy Reimagined 2019</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Field-Based Private Practice</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/field-based-private-practice</link>
      <description>An interview Megan Costello, LMFT on taking the best of Community Mental Health into your private practice. Curt and Katie interview Megan about her very successful private practice that is 100% home and field-based. They talk about how to a field-based practice works, including practical considerations.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Megan Costello, LMFT
Megan Costello, LMFT, is a person-centered behaviorist providing in-home counseling for families in Los Angeles. Megan has provided services to clients in their homes or the community for almost 15 years. Megan started her career as a behavioral technician, providing behavioral therapy under the supervision of Board Certified Behavior Analysts (BCBA) before she moved into a supervisory role for Applied Behavioral Analysis (ABA) cases (both in- home and school-based cases). Megan continued this work as she obtained her Masters of Science in Counseling at California State University, Long Beach. Megan then added clinical work in community mental health, providing specialized support to children on the autism spectrum with trauma histories. When Megan moved into private practice, she incorporated the best of the in-home and behavioral interventions into her treatment model. She brings practical advice and strategies to her clinical work, providing specialized, comprehensive treatment to higher needs or atypical cases.
 
In this episode we talk about:

Megan’s perspective and a new model for private practice

How to make applied behavioral analysis more person-centered

The value of being relentlessly client-centered and doing the highest impact work, regardless of how convenient to the therapist

The types of clients who would benefit more from in-home and school-based therapy

The benefits of in-home therapy over in-office therapy

The need to price your services accordingly

How to create an office in your car

How to manage your scheduling

The unique challenges of working in the home, looking at confidentiality, family involvement

The model that requires family and parent involvement

Safety assessments prior to going out to the home

How to assess over the phone prior to starting home-based treatment

Getting parent buy-in for active involvement in treatment for their child

 
Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Megan’s website: https://www.megcostello.com/
Megan’s consultation: https://www.megcostello.com/consulting
AND WE HAVE A PICTURE OF MEGAN'S TRUNK ON THE WEBSITE! 
 
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
Therapy Reimagined 2019
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Field-Based Private Practice</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Megan Costello, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview Megan Costello, LMFT on taking the best of Community Mental Health into your private practice. Curt and Katie interview Megan about her very successful private practice that is 100% home and field-based. They talk about how to a field-based practice works, including practical considerations.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Megan Costello, LMFT
Megan Costello, LMFT, is a person-centered behaviorist providing in-home counseling for families in Los Angeles. Megan has provided services to clients in their homes or the community for almost 15 years. Megan started her career as a behavioral technician, providing behavioral therapy under the supervision of Board Certified Behavior Analysts (BCBA) before she moved into a supervisory role for Applied Behavioral Analysis (ABA) cases (both in- home and school-based cases). Megan continued this work as she obtained her Masters of Science in Counseling at California State University, Long Beach. Megan then added clinical work in community mental health, providing specialized support to children on the autism spectrum with trauma histories. When Megan moved into private practice, she incorporated the best of the in-home and behavioral interventions into her treatment model. She brings practical advice and strategies to her clinical work, providing specialized, comprehensive treatment to higher needs or atypical cases.
 
In this episode we talk about:

Megan’s perspective and a new model for private practice

How to make applied behavioral analysis more person-centered

The value of being relentlessly client-centered and doing the highest impact work, regardless of how convenient to the therapist

The types of clients who would benefit more from in-home and school-based therapy

The benefits of in-home therapy over in-office therapy

The need to price your services accordingly

How to create an office in your car

How to manage your scheduling

The unique challenges of working in the home, looking at confidentiality, family involvement

The model that requires family and parent involvement

Safety assessments prior to going out to the home

How to assess over the phone prior to starting home-based treatment

Getting parent buy-in for active involvement in treatment for their child

 
Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Megan’s website: https://www.megcostello.com/
Megan’s consultation: https://www.megcostello.com/consulting
AND WE HAVE A PICTURE OF MEGAN'S TRUNK ON THE WEBSITE! 
 
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
Therapy Reimagined 2019
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview Megan Costello, LMFT on taking the best of Community Mental Health into your private practice. Curt and Katie interview Megan about her very successful private practice that is 100% home and field-based. They talk about how to a field-based practice works, including practical considerations.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Megan Costello, LMFT</p><p>Megan Costello, LMFT, is a person-centered behaviorist providing in-home counseling for families in Los Angeles. Megan has provided services to clients in their homes or the community for almost 15 years. Megan started her career as a behavioral technician, providing behavioral therapy under the supervision of Board Certified Behavior Analysts (BCBA) before she moved into a supervisory role for Applied Behavioral Analysis (ABA) cases (both in- home and school-based cases). Megan continued this work as she obtained her Masters of Science in Counseling at California State University, Long Beach. Megan then added clinical work in community mental health, providing specialized support to children on the autism spectrum with trauma histories. When Megan moved into private practice, she incorporated the best of the in-home and behavioral interventions into her treatment model. She brings practical advice and strategies to her clinical work, providing specialized, comprehensive treatment to higher needs or atypical cases.</p><p> </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Megan’s perspective and a new model for private practice</li>
<li>How to make applied behavioral analysis more person-centered</li>
<li>The value of being relentlessly client-centered and doing the highest impact work, regardless of how convenient to the therapist</li>
<li>The types of clients who would benefit more from in-home and school-based therapy</li>
<li>The benefits of in-home therapy over in-office therapy</li>
<li>The need to price your services accordingly</li>
<li>How to create an office in your car</li>
<li>How to manage your scheduling</li>
<li>The unique challenges of working in the home, looking at confidentiality, family involvement</li>
<li>The model that requires family and parent involvement</li>
<li>Safety assessments prior to going out to the home</li>
<li>How to assess over the phone prior to starting home-based treatment</li>
<li>Getting parent buy-in for active involvement in treatment for their child</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Relevant Resources:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:</p><p>Megan’s website: <a href="https://www.megcostello.com/">https://www.megcostello.com/</a></p><p>Megan’s consultation: <a href="https://www.megcostello.com/consulting">https://www.megcostello.com/consulting</a></p><p>AND WE HAVE A PICTURE OF MEGAN'S TRUNK ON THE WEBSITE! </p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.lpages.co/therapy-reimagined-2019/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>It's About Time</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/its-about-time</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how we value our time, looking at time when we are generating revenue AND the time when we are not generating revenue.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The initial conversations about time: Curt’s FB post, Jo Muirhead’s Article

Philosophical musings about the value of time

Podcastception: a podcast sparked by a blog post which was sparked by one of our Facebook posts

The value of client hours above other hours

How to value non-revenue time

The types of non-revenue generating time

Valuing time in different ways

The importance of self-care hours for many of our listeners and the lesser value that Curt places on these type of hours

Decision-making when looking at whether hiring someone to do work for your business

The different types of time (self-care, self-maintenance, rest, creative, content creation, work time, maintenance, etc.) and the different types of return on investment for those types (monetary, increased efficiency, positioning, strategic advantage, fulfillment, meaning, purpose, sustainability, quality of life, mission-driven, connection, etc.)

The importance of balancing these types of time to avoid burnout or washout

The unique return of investment for each person

Future-proofing your work (being able to plan for sustained work and retirement)

Looking at your whole career when you think about how you do your work

Burnout or moral injury as risks for clinicians 

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Curt’s Facebook Post on the value we place on time
 Jo Muirhead’s Blog Post: What if Our Time Isn’t Valued in Monetary Terms
James Clear Blog on How to Track Money and Time
 Daniel Pink’s book When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing
 
Relevant Episodes:
Jo Muirhead’s Podcast Episode: Clinician and Entrepreuner
 Howard Spector’s Episode: Investing in Yourself as an Entrepreneur
 
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 
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      <pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>It's About Time</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how we value our time</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how we value our time, looking at time when we are generating revenue AND the time when we are not generating revenue.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The initial conversations about time: Curt’s FB post, Jo Muirhead’s Article

Philosophical musings about the value of time

Podcastception: a podcast sparked by a blog post which was sparked by one of our Facebook posts

The value of client hours above other hours

How to value non-revenue time

The types of non-revenue generating time

Valuing time in different ways

The importance of self-care hours for many of our listeners and the lesser value that Curt places on these type of hours

Decision-making when looking at whether hiring someone to do work for your business

The different types of time (self-care, self-maintenance, rest, creative, content creation, work time, maintenance, etc.) and the different types of return on investment for those types (monetary, increased efficiency, positioning, strategic advantage, fulfillment, meaning, purpose, sustainability, quality of life, mission-driven, connection, etc.)

The importance of balancing these types of time to avoid burnout or washout

The unique return of investment for each person

Future-proofing your work (being able to plan for sustained work and retirement)

Looking at your whole career when you think about how you do your work

Burnout or moral injury as risks for clinicians 

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Curt’s Facebook Post on the value we place on time
 Jo Muirhead’s Blog Post: What if Our Time Isn’t Valued in Monetary Terms
James Clear Blog on How to Track Money and Time
 Daniel Pink’s book When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing
 
Relevant Episodes:
Jo Muirhead’s Podcast Episode: Clinician and Entrepreuner
 Howard Spector’s Episode: Investing in Yourself as an Entrepreneur
 
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019
 Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how we value our time, looking at time when we are generating revenue AND the time when we are not generating revenue.    </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The initial conversations about time: Curt’s FB post, Jo Muirhead’s Article</li>
<li>Philosophical musings about the value of time</li>
<li>Podcastception: a podcast sparked by a blog post which was sparked by one of our Facebook posts</li>
<li>The value of client hours above other hours</li>
<li>How to value non-revenue time</li>
<li>The types of non-revenue generating time</li>
<li>Valuing time in different ways</li>
<li>The importance of self-care hours for many of our listeners and the lesser value that Curt places on these type of hours</li>
<li>Decision-making when looking at whether hiring someone to do work for your business</li>
<li>The different types of time (self-care, self-maintenance, rest, creative, content creation, work time, maintenance, etc.) and the different types of return on investment for those types (monetary, increased efficiency, positioning, strategic advantage, fulfillment, meaning, purpose, sustainability, quality of life, mission-driven, connection, etc.)</li>
<li>The importance of balancing these types of time to avoid burnout or washout</li>
<li>The unique return of investment for each person</li>
<li>Future-proofing your work (being able to plan for sustained work and retirement)</li>
<li>Looking at your whole career when you think about how you do your work</li>
<li>Burnout or moral injury as risks for clinicians </li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/permalink/2336240616652265/"> Curt’s Facebook Post on the value we place on time</a></p><p><a href="https://jomuirhead.com/what-if-our-time-wasnt-valued-in-monetary-terms-warning-this-blog-post-may-be-confronting/?fbclid=IwAR0SHwfbwmQICFLgnW7GUuszbgLSl8thqW5xnaKBYryCGwx6X-MJmdT668E"> Jo Muirhead’s Blog Post: What if Our Time Isn’t Valued in Monetary Terms</a></p><p><a href="https://jamesclear.com/value-of-time">James Clear Blog on How to Track Money and Time</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072Q985YX/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&amp;btkr=1"> Daniel Pink’s book When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/clinician-and-entrepreneur/">Jo Muirhead’s Podcast Episode: Clinician and Entrepreuner</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/investing-in-yourself-as-an-entrepreneur/"> Howard Spector’s Episode: Investing in Yourself as an Entrepreneur</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="second.therapyreimaginedconference.com">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a></p><p> Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Health At Every Size</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/health-at-every-size</link>
      <description>An interview Laura Westmoreland, LMFT on addressing body bias, body shaming, and health at every size (HAES) in therapy. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about the common mistakes that therapists make when working with clients living in larger bodies.
Interview with Laura Westmoreland, LMFT
Laura Westmoreland, LMFT identifies as a white woman living in a larger body, cisgender, straight, and able-bodied; her pronouns are she/her. She acknowledges that she has white privilege.
She works with individuals, couples, and families who want to explore what is holding them back from leading the life they desire; both personally and professionally. The key to her work is the relationship developed. Together with her clients, she can create a brave space; a brave space requires stepping out of your comfort zone, risking vulnerability, and being curious.
Laura believes...

what we struggle with provides insight and can help us grow

connection is key; reciprocal relationships require effort

regularly engaging in pleasurable activities fosters joy and happiness

in nourishing mind, body, and soul

that self-compassion is vital to wellbeing

all bodies are good bodies

 
In this episode we talk about:

The importance of inclusion related to body diversity

What body bias looks like in a therapist office

Health At Every Size (HAES)

The challenges of living in a larger body

The war on obesity and walking into a war zone

The medicalization of body diversity with words like “overweight” and the pathologizing of different bodies

The danger of colluding with the diet culture

The controversy that exists within the eating disorder community related to HAES

Focusing on the client’s lived experience, rather than the societal expectations

Sorting through when larger bodies suggest symptomology of a mental health or trauma concern versus when someone is healthy in a larger body

Showing curiosity around what “feeling fat” means, rather than suggesting a diet or fix

The danger of prescribing to people living in larger bodies what we would treat in eating disorder clients (i.e., restriction)

How a clinician’s body bias can negatively impact treatment efficacy

Intuitive eating – paying attention to hunger and satiety cues

Joyful movement, rather than trudging to the gym

The importance of finding your healthy practices

Assessment best practices

Harvard Implicit Bias Tests

The different biases that Curt and Katie hold around body sizes

Bias and microaggressions that can show up in the therapist office

What therapists can look for when assessing whether clients feel comfortable in their own bodies

 
Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Laura Westmoreland’s Website
FB: Laura Westmoreland Lmft
IG: haes_therapist_in_la
Twitter: @haestherapistla
Intuitive Eating Website
Be Nourished
Jeffery Hunger’s Publication
Harvard Implicit Bias Tests
(Association for Size Diversity and Health) ASDAH
 Dr, Vincent Felitti talks about the Adverse Childhood Experiences Study
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
Therapy Reimagined 2019
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Health At Every Size</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview Laura Westmoreland, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview Laura Westmoreland, LMFT on addressing body bias, body shaming, and health at every size (HAES) in therapy. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about the common mistakes that therapists make when working with clients living in larger bodies.
Interview with Laura Westmoreland, LMFT
Laura Westmoreland, LMFT identifies as a white woman living in a larger body, cisgender, straight, and able-bodied; her pronouns are she/her. She acknowledges that she has white privilege.
She works with individuals, couples, and families who want to explore what is holding them back from leading the life they desire; both personally and professionally. The key to her work is the relationship developed. Together with her clients, she can create a brave space; a brave space requires stepping out of your comfort zone, risking vulnerability, and being curious.
Laura believes...

what we struggle with provides insight and can help us grow

connection is key; reciprocal relationships require effort

regularly engaging in pleasurable activities fosters joy and happiness

in nourishing mind, body, and soul

that self-compassion is vital to wellbeing

all bodies are good bodies

 
In this episode we talk about:

The importance of inclusion related to body diversity

What body bias looks like in a therapist office

Health At Every Size (HAES)

The challenges of living in a larger body

The war on obesity and walking into a war zone

The medicalization of body diversity with words like “overweight” and the pathologizing of different bodies

The danger of colluding with the diet culture

The controversy that exists within the eating disorder community related to HAES

Focusing on the client’s lived experience, rather than the societal expectations

Sorting through when larger bodies suggest symptomology of a mental health or trauma concern versus when someone is healthy in a larger body

Showing curiosity around what “feeling fat” means, rather than suggesting a diet or fix

The danger of prescribing to people living in larger bodies what we would treat in eating disorder clients (i.e., restriction)

How a clinician’s body bias can negatively impact treatment efficacy

Intuitive eating – paying attention to hunger and satiety cues

Joyful movement, rather than trudging to the gym

The importance of finding your healthy practices

Assessment best practices

Harvard Implicit Bias Tests

The different biases that Curt and Katie hold around body sizes

Bias and microaggressions that can show up in the therapist office

What therapists can look for when assessing whether clients feel comfortable in their own bodies

 
Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Laura Westmoreland’s Website
FB: Laura Westmoreland Lmft
IG: haes_therapist_in_la
Twitter: @haestherapistla
Intuitive Eating Website
Be Nourished
Jeffery Hunger’s Publication
Harvard Implicit Bias Tests
(Association for Size Diversity and Health) ASDAH
 Dr, Vincent Felitti talks about the Adverse Childhood Experiences Study
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
Therapy Reimagined 2019
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview Laura Westmoreland, LMFT on addressing body bias, body shaming, and health at every size (HAES) in therapy. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about the common mistakes that therapists make when working with clients living in larger bodies.</p><p>Interview with Laura Westmoreland, LMFT</p><p>Laura Westmoreland, LMFT identifies as a white woman living in a larger body, cisgender, straight, and able-bodied; her pronouns are she/her. She acknowledges that she has white privilege.</p><p>She works with individuals, couples, and families who want to explore what is holding them back from leading the life they desire; both personally and professionally. The key to her work is the relationship developed. Together with her clients, she can create a brave space; a brave space requires stepping out of your comfort zone, risking vulnerability, and being curious.</p><p>Laura believes...</p><ul>
<li>what we struggle with provides insight and can help us grow</li>
<li>connection is key; reciprocal relationships require effort</li>
<li>regularly engaging in pleasurable activities fosters joy and happiness</li>
<li>in nourishing mind, body, and soul</li>
<li>that self-compassion is vital to wellbeing</li>
<li>all bodies are good bodies</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The importance of inclusion related to body diversity</li>
<li>What body bias looks like in a therapist office</li>
<li>Health At Every Size (HAES)</li>
<li>The challenges of living in a larger body</li>
<li>The war on obesity and walking into a war zone</li>
<li>The medicalization of body diversity with words like “overweight” and the pathologizing of different bodies</li>
<li>The danger of colluding with the diet culture</li>
<li>The controversy that exists within the eating disorder community related to HAES</li>
<li>Focusing on the client’s lived experience, rather than the societal expectations</li>
<li>Sorting through when larger bodies suggest symptomology of a mental health or trauma concern versus when someone is healthy in a larger body</li>
<li>Showing curiosity around what “feeling fat” means, rather than suggesting a diet or fix</li>
<li>The danger of prescribing to people living in larger bodies what we would treat in eating disorder clients (i.e., restriction)</li>
<li>How a clinician’s body bias can negatively impact treatment efficacy</li>
<li>Intuitive eating – paying attention to hunger and satiety cues</li>
<li>Joyful movement, rather than trudging to the gym</li>
<li>The importance of finding your healthy practices</li>
<li>Assessment best practices</li>
<li>Harvard Implicit Bias Tests</li>
<li>The different biases that Curt and Katie hold around body sizes</li>
<li>Bias and microaggressions that can show up in the therapist office</li>
<li>What therapists can look for when assessing whether clients feel comfortable in their own bodies</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Relevant Resources:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:</p><p><a href="https://www.laurawestmoreland.com/">Laura Westmoreland’s Website</a></p><p>FB: Laura Westmoreland Lmft</p><p>IG: haes_therapist_in_la</p><p>Twitter: @haestherapistla</p><p><a href="https://www.intuitiveeating.org/">Intuitive Eating Website</a></p><p><a href="https://benourished.org/">Be Nourished</a></p><p><a href="http://jeffreyhunger.com/publications.html">Jeffery Hunger’s Publication</a></p><p><a href="https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html">Harvard Implicit Bias Tests</a></p><p><a href="https://sizediversityandhealth.org/">(Association for Size Diversity and Health) ASDAH</a></p><p> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jLQtjLWMjM">Dr, Vincent Felitti talks about the Adverse Childhood Experiences Study</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.lpages.co/therapy-reimagined-2019/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Is CBT Crap?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/is-cbt-crap</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about evidence-based practices, clinician training, and when even the evidence base can go wrong.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How we know better than the evidence

The need for evidence-based practice in community mental health

Funding, efficiency, and diagnosis

The difference between the clientele in public mental health and private practice

Evidence-based practices pros and cons

The science, the efficacy, replicability of EBPs

The pros and cons of EBPs in community mental health

The need to include individual factors in EBPs

EBPs versus relational style (and how they may not be mutually exclusive)

The question about personality characteristics of CBT therapists

The opinion about rapport being missing from EBPs

How training jumps to EBP, to the detriment of the relationship

The problem with people who overuse or oversimplify the need for each orientation

Strong clinical orientation versus the “eclectic” or “integrative” psychotherapy

The Medical Model

The challenge of training therapists in relational skills and how to be a better therapist, rather than teaching specific handful of skills

The importance of proving efficacy, getting funding for services

Treatment decision-making and collaboration in public mental health versus private practice

The complexity of actual clients and the need for more than just one EBP to use for treatment

The problems with new clinician training related to EBPs

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Dr. Scott Miller: Feedback Informed Treatment
Dr. Ben Caldwell
 Modern Community Mental Health: An Interdisciplinary Approach by Kenneth Yeager, David Cutler, Dale Svendsen, and Grayce M. Sills
 
Relevant Episodes:
Therapist Know Thyself
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Therapy Reimagined 2019
Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!!
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Is CBT Crap?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about evidence-based practices</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about evidence-based practices, clinician training, and when even the evidence base can go wrong.    
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How we know better than the evidence

The need for evidence-based practice in community mental health

Funding, efficiency, and diagnosis

The difference between the clientele in public mental health and private practice

Evidence-based practices pros and cons

The science, the efficacy, replicability of EBPs

The pros and cons of EBPs in community mental health

The need to include individual factors in EBPs

EBPs versus relational style (and how they may not be mutually exclusive)

The question about personality characteristics of CBT therapists

The opinion about rapport being missing from EBPs

How training jumps to EBP, to the detriment of the relationship

The problem with people who overuse or oversimplify the need for each orientation

Strong clinical orientation versus the “eclectic” or “integrative” psychotherapy

The Medical Model

The challenge of training therapists in relational skills and how to be a better therapist, rather than teaching specific handful of skills

The importance of proving efficacy, getting funding for services

Treatment decision-making and collaboration in public mental health versus private practice

The complexity of actual clients and the need for more than just one EBP to use for treatment

The problems with new clinician training related to EBPs

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Dr. Scott Miller: Feedback Informed Treatment
Dr. Ben Caldwell
 Modern Community Mental Health: An Interdisciplinary Approach by Kenneth Yeager, David Cutler, Dale Svendsen, and Grayce M. Sills
 
Relevant Episodes:
Therapist Know Thyself
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
 Therapy Reimagined 2019
Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!!
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about evidence-based practices, clinician training, and when even the evidence base can go wrong.    </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How we know better than the evidence</li>
<li>The need for evidence-based practice in community mental health</li>
<li>Funding, efficiency, and diagnosis</li>
<li>The difference between the clientele in public mental health and private practice</li>
<li>Evidence-based practices pros and cons</li>
<li>The science, the efficacy, replicability of EBPs</li>
<li>The pros and cons of EBPs in community mental health</li>
<li>The need to include individual factors in EBPs</li>
<li>EBPs versus relational style (and how they may not be mutually exclusive)</li>
<li>The question about personality characteristics of CBT therapists</li>
<li>The opinion about rapport being missing from EBPs</li>
<li>How training jumps to EBP, to the detriment of the relationship</li>
<li>The problem with people who overuse or oversimplify the need for each orientation</li>
<li>Strong clinical orientation versus the “eclectic” or “integrative” psychotherapy</li>
<li>The Medical Model</li>
<li>The challenge of training therapists in relational skills and how to be a better therapist, rather than teaching specific handful of skills</li>
<li>The importance of proving efficacy, getting funding for services</li>
<li>Treatment decision-making and collaboration in public mental health versus private practice</li>
<li>The complexity of actual clients and the need for more than just one EBP to use for treatment</li>
<li>The problems with new clinician training related to EBPs</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.scottdmiller.com/implementing-feedback-informed-treatment/"> Dr. Scott Miller: Feedback Informed Treatment</a></p><p><a href="https://bencaldwelllabs.com/">Dr. Ben Caldwell</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Community-Mental-Health-Interdisciplinary-ebook/dp/B00HNSNX42"> Modern Community Mental Health: An Interdisciplinary Approach by Kenneth Yeager, David Cutler, Dale Svendsen, and Grayce M. Sills</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/therapist-know-thyself/">Therapist Know Thyself</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://d.docs.live.net/c2b564d98d95b825/Curt%20and%20Katie%20-%20Therapy%20Reimagined%20and%20Survival%20Guide/MTSG%20Podcast/Show%20notes/second.therapyreimaginedconference.com"> Therapy Reimagined 2019</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/become-a-speaker/">Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!!</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Neurodivergence</title>
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      <description>An interview Joel Schwartz, PsyD on neurodiversity, Autism Spectrum Disorders, and neurodivergence. Curt and Katie talk with Joel about how often our natural spectrum of neurodiversity is pathologized.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Joel Schwartz, PsyD
Dr. Joel Schwartz is a licensed clinical psychologist with a private practice in the South Bay of Los Angeles County. He specializes in therapy and testing for the misunderstood. As a therapist, he is warm, compassionate, and strongly humanistic, allowing for all the oddities and unexplored aspects of his clients to emerge and be validated. As a testing psychologist, Dr. Schwartz specializes in difficult and complex cases.
Dr. Schwartz grew up in Southern California. He developed an early interest in psychology, strangely enough, from a childhood filled with science fiction stories. These stories often provided fascinating looks into human psychology and the human spirit. Dr. Schwartz attended UCLA as an undergrad where he conducted research in the field of neurolinguistics. From there, he attended Yeshiva University’s Ferkauf School of Clinical Psychology for his Master’s and Doctorate degree. He has worked in various settings including colleges, clinics, a federal prison, and residential treatment centers. Through his experience with a vast array of individuals he has stuck with one important lesson among many; as the psychoanalyst Harry Stack Sullivan said, “We are all more human than otherwise.”
In this episode we talk about:

The problem of the medical model

Looking at neurodiversity as a spectrum and a natural part of life

Defining neurodiversity and neurodivergence

Looking at differences as okay, and not disordered

Traditional versus neurodiversity affirmative practices

The strain of compensatory behaviors when one is neurodivergent and trying to fit in

Problematic assumptions that do not welcome neurodivergent folks

Practical ways to create an office that supports the full spectrum of neurodiversity

The importance of clear instructions, options, and sensitivity to the different

Radical acceptance

The freedom and relief of not having to learn, when everything is explained.

The debate about ABA and behavioral interventions

The social justice aspects of working with neuro-minorities

The importance of representation of neurodivergent people in all aspects of society

Autistic people are demanding representation, are consulting, and are acting in roles

Looking at the nuance of radical acceptance – when intervention is required, rather than acceptance

The problem of behaviorism leading to repression and dissociation

Having the goal of decreasing a behavior, shouldn’t be the final goal

The problems of having ABA therapists not address their own emotions

The problem with having neurotypical people setting goals for neurodivergent people

Looking at the invalidation of modifying behaviors

How to balance what society will accept as well as validating the person

How do we set them up for success, without pathologizing their behavior

Self-regulatory behaviors – comparing them to coffee drinking

The need to move toward societal change</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>An interview Joel Schwartz, PsyD on neurodiversity, Autism Spectrum Disorders, and neurodivergence. Curt and Katie talk with Joel about how often our natural spectrum of neurodiversity is pathologized.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Joel Schwartz, PsyD
Dr. Joel Schwartz is a licensed clinical psychologist with a private practice in the South Bay of Los Angeles County. He specializes in therapy and testing for the misunderstood. As a therapist, he is warm, compassionate, and strongly humanistic, allowing for all the oddities and unexplored aspects of his clients to emerge and be validated. As a testing psychologist, Dr. Schwartz specializes in difficult and complex cases.
Dr. Schwartz grew up in Southern California. He developed an early interest in psychology, strangely enough, from a childhood filled with science fiction stories. These stories often provided fascinating looks into human psychology and the human spirit. Dr. Schwartz attended UCLA as an undergrad where he conducted research in the field of neurolinguistics. From there, he attended Yeshiva University’s Ferkauf School of Clinical Psychology for his Master’s and Doctorate degree. He has worked in various settings including colleges, clinics, a federal prison, and residential treatment centers. Through his experience with a vast array of individuals he has stuck with one important lesson among many; as the psychoanalyst Harry Stack Sullivan said, “We are all more human than otherwise.”
In this episode we talk about:

The problem of the medical model

Looking at neurodiversity as a spectrum and a natural part of life

Defining neurodiversity and neurodivergence

Looking at differences as okay, and not disordered

Traditional versus neurodiversity affirmative practices

The strain of compensatory behaviors when one is neurodivergent and trying to fit in

Problematic assumptions that do not welcome neurodivergent folks

Practical ways to create an office that supports the full spectrum of neurodiversity

The importance of clear instructions, options, and sensitivity to the different

Radical acceptance

The freedom and relief of not having to learn, when everything is explained.

The debate about ABA and behavioral interventions

The social justice aspects of working with neuro-minorities

The importance of representation of neurodivergent people in all aspects of society

Autistic people are demanding representation, are consulting, and are acting in roles

Looking at the nuance of radical acceptance – when intervention is required, rather than acceptance

The problem of behaviorism leading to repression and dissociation

Having the goal of decreasing a behavior, shouldn’t be the final goal

The problems of having ABA therapists not address their own emotions

The problem with having neurotypical people setting goals for neurodivergent people

Looking at the invalidation of modifying behaviors

How to balance what society will accept as well as validating the person

How do we set them up for success, without pathologizing their behavior

Self-regulatory behaviors – comparing them to coffee drinking

The need to move toward societal change</itunes:summary>
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<li>The problem of the medical model</li>
<li>Looking at neurodiversity as a spectrum and a natural part of life</li>
<li>Defining neurodiversity and neurodivergence</li>
<li>Looking at differences as okay, and not disordered</li>
<li>Traditional versus neurodiversity affirmative practices</li>
<li>The strain of compensatory behaviors when one is neurodivergent and trying to fit in</li>
<li>Problematic assumptions that do not welcome neurodivergent folks</li>
<li>Practical ways to create an office that supports the full spectrum of neurodiversity</li>
<li>The importance of clear instructions, options, and sensitivity to the different</li>
<li>Radical acceptance</li>
<li>The freedom and relief of not having to learn, when everything is explained.</li>
<li>The debate about ABA and behavioral interventions</li>
<li>The social justice aspects of working with neuro-minorities</li>
<li>The importance of representation of neurodivergent people in all aspects of society</li>
<li>Autistic people are demanding representation, are consulting, and are acting in roles</li>
<li>Looking at the nuance of radical acceptance – when intervention is required, rather than acceptance</li>
<li>The problem of behaviorism leading to repression and dissociation</li>
<li>Having the goal of decreasing a behavior, shouldn’t be the final goal</li>
<li>The problems of having ABA therapists not address their own emotions</li>
<li>The problem with having neurotypical people setting goals for neurodivergent people</li>
<li>Looking at the invalidation of modifying behaviors</li>
<li>How to balance what society will accept as well as validating the person</li>
<li>How do we set them up for success, without pathologizing their behavior</li>
<li>Self-regulatory behaviors – comparing them to coffee drinking</li>
<li>The need to move toward societal change</li>
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      <title>One Hundred</title>
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      <description>Curt and Katie reflect on 100 podcast episodes, what the experience has been like, and where we want to take the podcast next.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How much we appreciate listener connection and feedback

Self-reflection on the previous 99 episodes

A new hashtag: #teamcurtie

Our switch from 2 episodes per week to 1 episode per week

How podcasting has improved our speaking and thought processes

The impact of hearing from listeners of the podcast at the conference

How we recorded and put out the Therapist Safety episodes

Our goal to catalyze the diverse voices in our community to stand up

How we have made mistakes publicly in order to have healing conversations publicly

The level of disclosure we have on the podcast

The surprise that our moms aren’t the only people listening every week

The way we talk about our profession in order to improve it

How we are going to grow and change the podcast

What are #moderntherapist conversations (and what are not)

Guiding principles of what we’re talking about

How we are different from other groups, other podcasts

The origin of the podcast as a marketing plan for a conference, and then it evolved into its own thing

Relevant Episodes:
So You Want to Plan a Conference
Therapist Safety
Attracted Clients
Let’s Talk About Race Again
Vulnerability, the News, and You
Toxic Work Environments
Take Action Like a BOSS
 Social Media and Video Marketing with Ernesto Segismundo, Jr M.S. LMFT
Becoming a Group Practice Owner with Maureen Werrbach
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019
Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!!
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</description>
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      <itunes:title>One Hundred</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie reflect on 100 podcast episodes</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie reflect on 100 podcast episodes, what the experience has been like, and where we want to take the podcast next.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How much we appreciate listener connection and feedback

Self-reflection on the previous 99 episodes

A new hashtag: #teamcurtie

Our switch from 2 episodes per week to 1 episode per week

How podcasting has improved our speaking and thought processes

The impact of hearing from listeners of the podcast at the conference

How we recorded and put out the Therapist Safety episodes

Our goal to catalyze the diverse voices in our community to stand up

How we have made mistakes publicly in order to have healing conversations publicly

The level of disclosure we have on the podcast

The surprise that our moms aren’t the only people listening every week

The way we talk about our profession in order to improve it

How we are going to grow and change the podcast

What are #moderntherapist conversations (and what are not)

Guiding principles of what we’re talking about

How we are different from other groups, other podcasts

The origin of the podcast as a marketing plan for a conference, and then it evolved into its own thing

Relevant Episodes:
So You Want to Plan a Conference
Therapist Safety
Attracted Clients
Let’s Talk About Race Again
Vulnerability, the News, and You
Toxic Work Environments
Take Action Like a BOSS
 Social Media and Video Marketing with Ernesto Segismundo, Jr M.S. LMFT
Becoming a Group Practice Owner with Maureen Werrbach
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019
Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!!
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie reflect on 100 podcast episodes, what the experience has been like, and where we want to take the podcast next.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How much we appreciate listener connection and feedback</li>
<li>Self-reflection on the previous 99 episodes</li>
<li>A new hashtag: #teamcurtie</li>
<li>Our switch from 2 episodes per week to 1 episode per week</li>
<li>How podcasting has improved our speaking and thought processes</li>
<li>The impact of hearing from listeners of the podcast at the conference</li>
<li>How we recorded and put out the Therapist Safety episodes</li>
<li>Our goal to catalyze the diverse voices in our community to stand up</li>
<li>How we have made mistakes publicly in order to have healing conversations publicly</li>
<li>The level of disclosure we have on the podcast</li>
<li>The surprise that our moms aren’t the only people listening every week</li>
<li>The way we talk about our profession in order to improve it</li>
<li>How we are going to grow and change the podcast</li>
<li>What are #moderntherapist conversations (and what are not)</li>
<li>Guiding principles of what we’re talking about</li>
<li>How we are different from other groups, other podcasts</li>
<li>The origin of the podcast as a marketing plan for a conference, and then it evolved into its own thing</li>
</ul><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/so-you-want-to-plan-a-conference/">So You Want to Plan a Conference</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/therapist-safety/">Therapist Safety</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/attracted-clients/">Attracted Clients</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/lets-talk-about-race-again/">Let’s Talk About Race Again</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/vulnerability-the-news-and-you/">Vulnerability, the News, and You</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/toxic-work-environments/">Toxic Work Environments</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/take-action-like-a-boss/">Take Action Like a BOSS</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/social-media-and-video-marketing-for-therapists/"> Social Media and Video Marketing with Ernesto Segismundo, Jr M.S. LMFT</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/becoming-a-group-practice-owner/">Becoming a Group Practice Owner with Maureen Werrbach</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="second.therapyreimaginedconference.com">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/become-a-speaker/">Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!!</a></p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p>]]>
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      <title>Let's Talk About Race Again</title>
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      <description>An interview Yin Li, LMFT about Asian American and Pacific Islanders in therapy and as therapists. Curt and Katie talk with Yin about how often AAPI individuals are not included in the conversation about racism, culture, and mental health.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Yin Li, MA LMFT
Yin Li a marriage and family therapist licensed in California and Oregon and founder of Theralane. She works primarily with Asian Americans on a range of concerns ranging from challenging family dynamics, chronic relationship difficulties (romantic, love, family, work), life transitions, career challenges, identify questions, high functioning depression, and anxiety. Yin is very passionate about normalizing mental health, wellness, and therapy services in Asian communities. She has spoken and provided workshops on Asian American Mental Health and Wellness. For white identified clinicians working with Asian Americans, Yin is available for consultation.
Website www.theralane.com
Email: yin@theralane.com
Instagram: @theralane.counseling
 
In this episode we talk about:

Being called out by listener, Yin Li about not talking about Asian American and Pacific Islanders in our conversations about Race to date.

Thoughts on why AAPI individuals are often left out of the conversation or ignored

The “Model Minority” myth

The problem of using aggregate data

Language barriers and self-segregation

The problem of not knowing what we don’t know

Deep-rooted racism in the United States

How do we identify and address our blind spots

The factors that might enter into the perspective of AAPI individuals on getting therapy or entering the therapy profession

What to do when you identify this blind spot

Looking at what can be missed when working with AAPI clients

How race might come into the room, even if it is not the primary reason for treatment

Family immigration stories, language differences

Hoping space for cultural stories and the context in which your client lives

The problem of not talking about race with Asian American clients

How to get over the nervousness of talking about race with AAPI clients

How do the conversations relate to the needs of the client, with intention

The problem of addressing race and culture to check a box – which comes from a place of privilege

The complexity of mixed race – looking at unique factors

How integration as an individual is impacted by where one lives, with whom they live (e.g., AAPI child adopted into a white family, living in 2 cultures)

The importance of exploring the individual experience due to the complexity of the conversation

Developmental stages of cultural and racial identity

The impact of where you live on your sense of self

Marriage and Family Therapists: only 0.4% are AAPI

The assumption in all of therapeutic education that clients are white

The common requirement for AAPI therapists to learn on their own how to effectively treat AAPI clients

The value of consultation

What educators and professional associations can do to improve the situation

Calling out when the education is not enough

Messages Yin Li has for Asian American therapists</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Let's Talk About Race Again: An Interview with Yin Li, LMFT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Yin Li, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview Yin Li, LMFT about Asian American and Pacific Islanders in therapy and as therapists. Curt and Katie talk with Yin about how often AAPI individuals are not included in the conversation about racism, culture, and mental health.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Yin Li, MA LMFT
Yin Li a marriage and family therapist licensed in California and Oregon and founder of Theralane. She works primarily with Asian Americans on a range of concerns ranging from challenging family dynamics, chronic relationship difficulties (romantic, love, family, work), life transitions, career challenges, identify questions, high functioning depression, and anxiety. Yin is very passionate about normalizing mental health, wellness, and therapy services in Asian communities. She has spoken and provided workshops on Asian American Mental Health and Wellness. For white identified clinicians working with Asian Americans, Yin is available for consultation.
Website www.theralane.com
Email: yin@theralane.com
Instagram: @theralane.counseling
 
In this episode we talk about:

Being called out by listener, Yin Li about not talking about Asian American and Pacific Islanders in our conversations about Race to date.

Thoughts on why AAPI individuals are often left out of the conversation or ignored

The “Model Minority” myth

The problem of using aggregate data

Language barriers and self-segregation

The problem of not knowing what we don’t know

Deep-rooted racism in the United States

How do we identify and address our blind spots

The factors that might enter into the perspective of AAPI individuals on getting therapy or entering the therapy profession

What to do when you identify this blind spot

Looking at what can be missed when working with AAPI clients

How race might come into the room, even if it is not the primary reason for treatment

Family immigration stories, language differences

Hoping space for cultural stories and the context in which your client lives

The problem of not talking about race with Asian American clients

How to get over the nervousness of talking about race with AAPI clients

How do the conversations relate to the needs of the client, with intention

The problem of addressing race and culture to check a box – which comes from a place of privilege

The complexity of mixed race – looking at unique factors

How integration as an individual is impacted by where one lives, with whom they live (e.g., AAPI child adopted into a white family, living in 2 cultures)

The importance of exploring the individual experience due to the complexity of the conversation

Developmental stages of cultural and racial identity

The impact of where you live on your sense of self

Marriage and Family Therapists: only 0.4% are AAPI

The assumption in all of therapeutic education that clients are white

The common requirement for AAPI therapists to learn on their own how to effectively treat AAPI clients

The value of consultation

What educators and professional associations can do to improve the situation

Calling out when the education is not enough

Messages Yin Li has for Asian American therapists</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview Yin Li, LMFT about Asian American and Pacific Islanders in therapy and as therapists. Curt and Katie talk with Yin about how often AAPI individuals are not included in the conversation about racism, culture, and mental health.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Yin Li, MA LMFT</p><p>Yin Li a marriage and family therapist licensed in California and Oregon and founder of Theralane. She works primarily with Asian Americans on a range of concerns ranging from challenging family dynamics, chronic relationship difficulties (romantic, love, family, work), life transitions, career challenges, identify questions, high functioning depression, and anxiety. Yin is very passionate about normalizing mental health, wellness, and therapy services in Asian communities. She has spoken and provided workshops on Asian American Mental Health and Wellness. For white identified clinicians working with Asian Americans, Yin is available for consultation.</p><p>Website www.theralane.com</p><p>Email: yin@theralane.com</p><p>Instagram: @theralane.counseling</p><p> </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Being called out by listener, Yin Li about not talking about Asian American and Pacific Islanders in our conversations about Race to date.</li>
<li>Thoughts on why AAPI individuals are often left out of the conversation or ignored</li>
<li>The “Model Minority” myth</li>
<li>The problem of using aggregate data</li>
<li>Language barriers and self-segregation</li>
<li>The problem of not knowing what we don’t know</li>
<li>Deep-rooted racism in the United States</li>
<li>How do we identify and address our blind spots</li>
<li>The factors that might enter into the perspective of AAPI individuals on getting therapy or entering the therapy profession</li>
<li>What to do when you identify this blind spot</li>
<li>Looking at what can be missed when working with AAPI clients</li>
<li>How race might come into the room, even if it is not the primary reason for treatment</li>
<li>Family immigration stories, language differences</li>
<li>Hoping space for cultural stories and the context in which your client lives</li>
<li>The problem of not talking about race with Asian American clients</li>
<li>How to get over the nervousness of talking about race with AAPI clients</li>
<li>How do the conversations relate to the needs of the client, with intention</li>
<li>The problem of addressing race and culture to check a box – which comes from a place of privilege</li>
<li>The complexity of mixed race – looking at unique factors</li>
<li>How integration as an individual is impacted by where one lives, with whom they live (e.g., AAPI child adopted into a white family, living in 2 cultures)</li>
<li>The importance of exploring the individual experience due to the complexity of the conversation</li>
<li>Developmental stages of cultural and racial identity</li>
<li>The impact of where you live on your sense of self</li>
<li>Marriage and Family Therapists: only 0.4% are AAPI</li>
<li>The assumption in all of therapeutic education that clients are white</li>
<li>The common requirement for AAPI therapists to learn on their own how to effectively treat AAPI clients</li>
<li>The value of consultation</li>
<li>What educators and professional associations can do to improve the situation</li>
<li>Calling out when the education is not enough</li>
<li>Messages Yin Li has for Asian American therapists</li>
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      <title>Clinical Marketing</title>
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      <description>An interview with Katie Read, LMFT about what it means to be a Therapreneur and the frequent mistakes that therapists make when writing their websites. Curt and Katie interviewed Katie about the unique challenges for therapist marketing and how to use Motivational Interviewing to improve your website.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Katie Read, LMFT
Katie Read, LMFT, helps therapists grow...then OUTgrow...their practices! Katie helps clinicians overcome scarcity-mindset, get clear on their most meaningful work, create highly-converting websites, and create additional income streams in coaching, consulting, course creation, and more!
Connect with Katie here:
www.katieread.com
www.facebook.com/groups/therapreneurs
www.facebook.com/therapreneurcoach
 
In this episode we talk about:

How crappy therapist websites are

The desire to move beyond the therapist office

What a “Therapreneur” is

How to outgrow the old ideas of what therapists can be

When therapists are pushed down for being “too big”

Debunking the idea that therapists are shy and mousy

What happens when you look beyond the office

The problems most therapists make when writing the copy for your website

The importance of using the clients’ language when describing clinical concerns

The scourge of psychobabble, academic, or jargon language used in websites

How to include your achievements and CV information on your website, if it is relevant for ideal client

What therapists bring to the marketing game

Why videos are important for your marketing

How to use Motivational Interviewing to write your website

The awful truth that we all respond to scarcity marketing

The unique challenge for marketing therapy (without scarcity as a possibility)

Where the marketing questions can go wrong

The tendency of therapists to copy other therapists in their marketing and water down their voice

Why so many people use Brene Brown quotes

Designing your profile to speak to your ideal clients

How to find your voice and the language you can use to speak to the clients you serve

The importance of Niche for marketing, specialization, training, and efficacy

The fear of turning away clients – and why that is short-sighted

How to grow by niching down sufficiently for your area</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Clinical Marketing</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Katie Read, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Katie Read, LMFT about what it means to be a Therapreneur and the frequent mistakes that therapists make when writing their websites. Curt and Katie interviewed Katie about the unique challenges for therapist marketing and how to use Motivational Interviewing to improve your website.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Katie Read, LMFT
Katie Read, LMFT, helps therapists grow...then OUTgrow...their practices! Katie helps clinicians overcome scarcity-mindset, get clear on their most meaningful work, create highly-converting websites, and create additional income streams in coaching, consulting, course creation, and more!
Connect with Katie here:
www.katieread.com
www.facebook.com/groups/therapreneurs
www.facebook.com/therapreneurcoach
 
In this episode we talk about:

How crappy therapist websites are

The desire to move beyond the therapist office

What a “Therapreneur” is

How to outgrow the old ideas of what therapists can be

When therapists are pushed down for being “too big”

Debunking the idea that therapists are shy and mousy

What happens when you look beyond the office

The problems most therapists make when writing the copy for your website

The importance of using the clients’ language when describing clinical concerns

The scourge of psychobabble, academic, or jargon language used in websites

How to include your achievements and CV information on your website, if it is relevant for ideal client

What therapists bring to the marketing game

Why videos are important for your marketing

How to use Motivational Interviewing to write your website

The awful truth that we all respond to scarcity marketing

The unique challenge for marketing therapy (without scarcity as a possibility)

Where the marketing questions can go wrong

The tendency of therapists to copy other therapists in their marketing and water down their voice

Why so many people use Brene Brown quotes

Designing your profile to speak to your ideal clients

How to find your voice and the language you can use to speak to the clients you serve

The importance of Niche for marketing, specialization, training, and efficacy

The fear of turning away clients – and why that is short-sighted

How to grow by niching down sufficiently for your area</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Katie Read, LMFT about what it means to be a Therapreneur and the frequent mistakes that therapists make when writing their websites. Curt and Katie interviewed Katie about the unique challenges for therapist marketing and how to use Motivational Interviewing to improve your website.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Katie Read, LMFT</p><p>Katie Read, LMFT, helps therapists grow...then OUTgrow...their practices! Katie helps clinicians overcome scarcity-mindset, get clear on their most meaningful work, create highly-converting websites, and create additional income streams in coaching, consulting, course creation, and more!</p><p>Connect with Katie here:</p><p><a href="http://www.katiereadkatiewrite.com">www.katieread.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/groups/therapreneurs">www.facebook.com/groups/therapreneurs</a></p><p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/therapreneurcoach">www.facebook.com/therapreneurcoach</a></p><p> </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How crappy therapist websites are</li>
<li>The desire to move beyond the therapist office</li>
<li>What a “Therapreneur” is</li>
<li>How to outgrow the old ideas of what therapists can be</li>
<li>When therapists are pushed down for being “too big”</li>
<li>Debunking the idea that therapists are shy and mousy</li>
<li>What happens when you look beyond the office</li>
<li>The problems most therapists make when writing the copy for your website</li>
<li>The importance of using the clients’ language when describing clinical concerns</li>
<li>The scourge of psychobabble, academic, or jargon language used in websites</li>
<li>How to include your achievements and CV information on your website, if it is relevant for ideal client</li>
<li>What therapists bring to the marketing game</li>
<li>Why videos are important for your marketing</li>
<li>How to use Motivational Interviewing to write your website</li>
<li>The awful truth that we all respond to scarcity marketing</li>
<li>The unique challenge for marketing therapy (without scarcity as a possibility)</li>
<li>Where the marketing questions can go wrong</li>
<li>The tendency of therapists to copy other therapists in their marketing and water down their voice</li>
<li>Why so many people use Brene Brown quotes</li>
<li>Designing your profile to speak to your ideal clients</li>
<li>How to find your voice and the language you can use to speak to the clients you serve</li>
<li>The importance of Niche for marketing, specialization, training, and efficacy</li>
<li>The fear of turning away clients – and why that is short-sighted</li>
<li>How to grow by niching down sufficiently for your area</li>
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      <title>Attracted Clients</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/attracted-clients-0</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about what to do when your clients report sexual or romantic transference. We look at how to explore these feelings, how to set boundaries, and what you need to be cautious about.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How normal it is that clients become attracted to their therapists.

The level of safety and intimacy in therapy can be so attractive to clients that they become romantically attracted to their therapist.

Examples of how this type of attraction can show up in the room

The caution to wait to jump to “Are you hitting on me?”

Looking at what is appropriate and inappropriate, especially given cultural differences

How supervisors can advise their supervisees in these situations

The difference between a misunderstood connection and physical attraction – and thoughts on how to handle each one

How physical appearance can impact the pre-treatment expectations

A study on Attractive Business Women – the idea of the Femme Fatale

Looking at how being gorgeous might impact your clinical work

Be authentically yourself, with the understanding of what societal bias could come up

When the clients start responding to the therapist as an individual, rather than the therapist or the therapy relationship – looking at transference/counter-transference

How hard it can be to talk about the client’s sexual attraction in the therapy room

Holding space – acceptance with clear boundaries

Making sure to address safety

Exploring the interplay between emotional intimacy and the expectation for sexual intimacy

How to set the boundaries in the psychotherapy relationship when attraction has been disclosed by the therapist

The caution to avoid shaming the client and how to do so

The importance of consultation during these types of situations

Factors that can impact these types of interactions in the treatment room

The safety factors and risks to be aware of, when facing sexual or romantic transference

 
Our Generous Sponsor:
Thanks again to our sponsor Katie Read! Katie helps therapists grow and they OUTgrow their practices. If you're in GROW mode, she can help you grow faster by knowing exactly how to create your therapist website to get the most possible calls with her two courses, Client Machine and Website Whisperer! If you're ready to OUTgrow your office, Katie helps clinicians know the exact right steps to add big extra income streams in coaching, consulting, or courses! Check out www.katieread.com for more information.
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Article:  Attractive businesswomen viewed as less trustworthy 'femmes fatales'
 
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!!
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Attracted Clients</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about what to do when your clients report sexual or romantic transference</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about what to do when your clients report sexual or romantic transference. We look at how to explore these feelings, how to set boundaries, and what you need to be cautious about.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How normal it is that clients become attracted to their therapists.

The level of safety and intimacy in therapy can be so attractive to clients that they become romantically attracted to their therapist.

Examples of how this type of attraction can show up in the room

The caution to wait to jump to “Are you hitting on me?”

Looking at what is appropriate and inappropriate, especially given cultural differences

How supervisors can advise their supervisees in these situations

The difference between a misunderstood connection and physical attraction – and thoughts on how to handle each one

How physical appearance can impact the pre-treatment expectations

A study on Attractive Business Women – the idea of the Femme Fatale

Looking at how being gorgeous might impact your clinical work

Be authentically yourself, with the understanding of what societal bias could come up

When the clients start responding to the therapist as an individual, rather than the therapist or the therapy relationship – looking at transference/counter-transference

How hard it can be to talk about the client’s sexual attraction in the therapy room

Holding space – acceptance with clear boundaries

Making sure to address safety

Exploring the interplay between emotional intimacy and the expectation for sexual intimacy

How to set the boundaries in the psychotherapy relationship when attraction has been disclosed by the therapist

The caution to avoid shaming the client and how to do so

The importance of consultation during these types of situations

Factors that can impact these types of interactions in the treatment room

The safety factors and risks to be aware of, when facing sexual or romantic transference

 
Our Generous Sponsor:
Thanks again to our sponsor Katie Read! Katie helps therapists grow and they OUTgrow their practices. If you're in GROW mode, she can help you grow faster by knowing exactly how to create your therapist website to get the most possible calls with her two courses, Client Machine and Website Whisperer! If you're ready to OUTgrow your office, Katie helps clinicians know the exact right steps to add big extra income streams in coaching, consulting, or courses! Check out www.katieread.com for more information.
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Article:  Attractive businesswomen viewed as less trustworthy 'femmes fatales'
 
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!!
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about what to do when your clients report sexual or romantic transference. We look at how to explore these feelings, how to set boundaries, and what you need to be cautious about.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How normal it is that clients become attracted to their therapists.</li>
<li>The level of safety and intimacy in therapy can be so attractive to clients that they become romantically attracted to their therapist.</li>
<li>Examples of how this type of attraction can show up in the room</li>
<li>The caution to wait to jump to “Are you hitting on me?”</li>
<li>Looking at what is appropriate and inappropriate, especially given cultural differences</li>
<li>How supervisors can advise their supervisees in these situations</li>
<li>The difference between a misunderstood connection and physical attraction – and thoughts on how to handle each one</li>
<li>How physical appearance can impact the pre-treatment expectations</li>
<li>A study on Attractive Business Women – the idea of the Femme Fatale</li>
<li>Looking at how being gorgeous might impact your clinical work</li>
<li>Be authentically yourself, with the understanding of what societal bias could come up</li>
<li>When the clients start responding to the therapist as an individual, rather than the therapist or the therapy relationship – looking at transference/counter-transference</li>
<li>How hard it can be to talk about the client’s sexual attraction in the therapy room</li>
<li>Holding space – acceptance with clear boundaries</li>
<li>Making sure to address safety</li>
<li>Exploring the interplay between emotional intimacy and the expectation for sexual intimacy</li>
<li>How to set the boundaries in the psychotherapy relationship when attraction has been disclosed by the therapist</li>
<li>The caution to avoid shaming the client and how to do so</li>
<li>The importance of consultation during these types of situations</li>
<li>Factors that can impact these types of interactions in the treatment room</li>
<li>The safety factors and risks to be aware of, when facing sexual or romantic transference</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Our Generous Sponsor:</p><p>Thanks again to our sponsor Katie Read! Katie helps therapists grow and they OUTgrow their practices. If you're in GROW mode, she can help you grow faster by knowing exactly how to create your therapist website to get the most possible calls with her two courses, Client Machine and Website Whisperer! If you're ready to OUTgrow your office, Katie helps clinicians know the exact right steps to add big extra income streams in coaching, consulting, or courses! Check out <a href="http://www.katieread.com">www.katieread.com</a> for more information.</p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Article: <a href="https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-03/wsu-abv032119.php"> Attractive businesswomen viewed as less trustworthy 'femmes fatales'</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a>: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/become-a-speaker/">Our CALL FOR SPEAKERS!!</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>The Mental Load of Therapists</title>
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      <description>An interview with Shira Myrow, LMFT about how therapists carry a mental load for their clients, in addition to the load they carry as entrepreneurs and people. Curt and Katie talk with Shira about how to identify (and intervene) when therapists uncover this dangerous burden.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Shira Myrow, LMFT
 Shira Myrow is a licensed marriage and family therapist, mindfulness educator and founder of the mindfulness based Yale St. Therapy Group based in Santa Monica where she works in private practice. Shira specializes in relationship intelligence—treating couples and marriages with a focus on rebuilding attunement, improving attachment, and creating emotional literacy. Shira also works with individuals in transition looking for love, in break up recovery or going through divorce. Shira has a special focus on treating adult children of severely mentally ill parents with attachment injuries, including parents with borderline personality disorder, bi-polar and schizophrenia. Shira is also a writer and a regular contributor for Goop online magazine.
You can learn more about Shira and contact her here:
Website www.shiramyrowtherapy.com/
Email: therapy.smyrow@gmail.com
Instagram: @shiramyrowlmft, @yalesstreettherapy
In this episode we talk about:

The definition of Mental Load, with some of the history of the concept

Curt’s admission that Katie is carrying the mental load of this business relationship

Invisible emotional labor of managing daily lives and relationships

The invisible emotional load that therapists carry for clients and how that might be leading to less respect from other medical professionals

How the mental load from work can negatively impact personal life

The importance of intentional disconnection from the work when going home.

How the mental load can stay in your body, even when you mentally or emotionally disconnect from the work

How mindfulness can help address this challenge

The danger of privileging productivity above all else

The idea of how to incorporate this knowledge into therapist training

The complexity of business ownership, modern life, the connectedness afforded by technology

The onslaught of information that we get as individuals in the world AND as therapists

Attunement and presence in session, with self-regulation, so you can do the work without feeling cold and disconnected

Allowing versus suppressing emotions – so you can observe and have emotions pass

Tips for identifying when the mental load is having an impact, how to prevent or respond

The negative impact of stress on our bodies

How society has acclimated to unhealthy levels of stress and technology

The unreasonable expectations that come from being plugged in

Losing empathy and connection

The human struggle to incorporate mindfulness

Economy of effort

“Life shouldn’t be reduced to a to do list” - Shira Myrow</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Mental Load of Therapists</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Shira Myrow, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Shira Myrow, LMFT about how therapists carry a mental load for their clients, in addition to the load they carry as entrepreneurs and people. Curt and Katie talk with Shira about how to identify (and intervene) when therapists uncover this dangerous burden.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Shira Myrow, LMFT
 Shira Myrow is a licensed marriage and family therapist, mindfulness educator and founder of the mindfulness based Yale St. Therapy Group based in Santa Monica where she works in private practice. Shira specializes in relationship intelligence—treating couples and marriages with a focus on rebuilding attunement, improving attachment, and creating emotional literacy. Shira also works with individuals in transition looking for love, in break up recovery or going through divorce. Shira has a special focus on treating adult children of severely mentally ill parents with attachment injuries, including parents with borderline personality disorder, bi-polar and schizophrenia. Shira is also a writer and a regular contributor for Goop online magazine.
You can learn more about Shira and contact her here:
Website www.shiramyrowtherapy.com/
Email: therapy.smyrow@gmail.com
Instagram: @shiramyrowlmft, @yalesstreettherapy
In this episode we talk about:

The definition of Mental Load, with some of the history of the concept

Curt’s admission that Katie is carrying the mental load of this business relationship

Invisible emotional labor of managing daily lives and relationships

The invisible emotional load that therapists carry for clients and how that might be leading to less respect from other medical professionals

How the mental load from work can negatively impact personal life

The importance of intentional disconnection from the work when going home.

How the mental load can stay in your body, even when you mentally or emotionally disconnect from the work

How mindfulness can help address this challenge

The danger of privileging productivity above all else

The idea of how to incorporate this knowledge into therapist training

The complexity of business ownership, modern life, the connectedness afforded by technology

The onslaught of information that we get as individuals in the world AND as therapists

Attunement and presence in session, with self-regulation, so you can do the work without feeling cold and disconnected

Allowing versus suppressing emotions – so you can observe and have emotions pass

Tips for identifying when the mental load is having an impact, how to prevent or respond

The negative impact of stress on our bodies

How society has acclimated to unhealthy levels of stress and technology

The unreasonable expectations that come from being plugged in

Losing empathy and connection

The human struggle to incorporate mindfulness

Economy of effort

“Life shouldn’t be reduced to a to do list” - Shira Myrow</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Shira Myrow, LMFT about how therapists carry a mental load for their clients, in addition to the load they carry as entrepreneurs and people. Curt and Katie talk with Shira about how to identify (and intervene) when therapists uncover this dangerous burden.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Shira Myrow, LMFT</p><p> Shira Myrow is a licensed marriage and family therapist, mindfulness educator and founder of the mindfulness based Yale St. Therapy Group based in Santa Monica where she works in private practice. Shira specializes in relationship intelligence—treating couples and marriages with a focus on rebuilding attunement, improving attachment, and creating emotional literacy. Shira also works with individuals in transition looking for love, in break up recovery or going through divorce. Shira has a special focus on treating adult children of severely mentally ill parents with attachment injuries, including parents with borderline personality disorder, bi-polar and schizophrenia. Shira is also a writer and a regular contributor for Goop online magazine.</p><p>You can learn more about Shira and contact her here:</p><p>Website www.shiramyrowtherapy.com/</p><p>Email: therapy.smyrow@gmail.com</p><p>Instagram: @shiramyrowlmft, @yalesstreettherapy</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The definition of Mental Load, with some of the history of the concept</li>
<li>Curt’s admission that Katie is carrying the mental load of this business relationship</li>
<li>Invisible emotional labor of managing daily lives and relationships</li>
<li>The invisible emotional load that therapists carry for clients and how that might be leading to less respect from other medical professionals</li>
<li>How the mental load from work can negatively impact personal life</li>
<li>The importance of intentional disconnection from the work when going home.</li>
<li>How the mental load can stay in your body, even when you mentally or emotionally disconnect from the work</li>
<li>How mindfulness can help address this challenge</li>
<li>The danger of privileging productivity above all else</li>
<li>The idea of how to incorporate this knowledge into therapist training</li>
<li>The complexity of business ownership, modern life, the connectedness afforded by technology</li>
<li>The onslaught of information that we get as individuals in the world AND as therapists</li>
<li>Attunement and presence in session, with self-regulation, so you can do the work without feeling cold and disconnected</li>
<li>Allowing versus suppressing emotions – so you can observe and have emotions pass</li>
<li>Tips for identifying when the mental load is having an impact, how to prevent or respond</li>
<li>The negative impact of stress on our bodies</li>
<li>How society has acclimated to unhealthy levels of stress and technology</li>
<li>The unreasonable expectations that come from being plugged in</li>
<li>Losing empathy and connection</li>
<li>The human struggle to incorporate mindfulness</li>
<li>Economy of effort</li>
<li>“Life shouldn’t be reduced to a to do list” - Shira Myrow</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Outside Obsessions</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/outside-obsessions</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how therapists’ outside passions and pursuits can come into the therapy room. We talk about the thought, consideration, and intention that can help these elevate your practice, rather than hurt your clients.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Curt’s obsession with running marathons and talking about running in his therapy sessions

How your outside identity, hobbies, obsessions, etc. can impact your therapy sessions, your branding

How to identify if you can bring your outside stuff into the room

Acknowledging things that are obvious to clients, but with sensitivity and conscientiousness

When you need to align your niche with your outside passions

The possibility of triggering your clients and how to handle that

When your outside activities positively impact your work

The need to avoid over-identification when sharing hobbies or obsessions with your client

Self-disclosure is for the benefit of the client

Identifying what is yours and what is your client’s

How deliberate practice informs this decision

Grounding yourself before session, refocusing and making sure you stay present during session

How these activities can make ideas and interventions more tangible

The danger of advice giving when you are truly passionate about your activities

Making sure to be intentional about your relationship and your treatment by reviewing treatment goals prior to each session

Deliberate practice as a mechanism to make sure these obsessions don’t come into session in a negative way

Shared interests leading to connection and then short-hand that helps to move the relationship forward

Honesty and authenticity in the therapeutic relationship</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Outside Obsessions</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about therapists’ outside pursuits</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how therapists’ outside passions and pursuits can come into the therapy room. We talk about the thought, consideration, and intention that can help these elevate your practice, rather than hurt your clients.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Curt’s obsession with running marathons and talking about running in his therapy sessions

How your outside identity, hobbies, obsessions, etc. can impact your therapy sessions, your branding

How to identify if you can bring your outside stuff into the room

Acknowledging things that are obvious to clients, but with sensitivity and conscientiousness

When you need to align your niche with your outside passions

The possibility of triggering your clients and how to handle that

When your outside activities positively impact your work

The need to avoid over-identification when sharing hobbies or obsessions with your client

Self-disclosure is for the benefit of the client

Identifying what is yours and what is your client’s

How deliberate practice informs this decision

Grounding yourself before session, refocusing and making sure you stay present during session

How these activities can make ideas and interventions more tangible

The danger of advice giving when you are truly passionate about your activities

Making sure to be intentional about your relationship and your treatment by reviewing treatment goals prior to each session

Deliberate practice as a mechanism to make sure these obsessions don’t come into session in a negative way

Shared interests leading to connection and then short-hand that helps to move the relationship forward

Honesty and authenticity in the therapeutic relationship</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how therapists’ outside passions and pursuits can come into the therapy room. We talk about the thought, consideration, and intention that can help these elevate your practice, rather than hurt your clients.   </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Curt’s obsession with running marathons and talking about running in his therapy sessions</li>
<li>How your outside identity, hobbies, obsessions, etc. can impact your therapy sessions, your branding</li>
<li>How to identify if you can bring your outside stuff into the room</li>
<li>Acknowledging things that are obvious to clients, but with sensitivity and conscientiousness</li>
<li>When you need to align your niche with your outside passions</li>
<li>The possibility of triggering your clients and how to handle that</li>
<li>When your outside activities positively impact your work</li>
<li>The need to avoid over-identification when sharing hobbies or obsessions with your client</li>
<li>Self-disclosure is for the benefit of the client</li>
<li>Identifying what is yours and what is your client’s</li>
<li>How deliberate practice informs this decision</li>
<li>Grounding yourself before session, refocusing and making sure you stay present during session</li>
<li>How these activities can make ideas and interventions more tangible</li>
<li>The danger of advice giving when you are truly passionate about your activities</li>
<li>Making sure to be intentional about your relationship and your treatment by reviewing treatment goals prior to each session</li>
<li>Deliberate practice as a mechanism to make sure these obsessions don’t come into session in a negative way</li>
<li>Shared interests leading to connection and then short-hand that helps to move the relationship forward</li>
<li>Honesty and authenticity in the therapeutic relationship</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Integrative Psychiatry</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/integrative-psychiatry</link>
      <description>An interview with Lana Benedek, MD, integrative psychiatrist, on how psychiatry can be practiced differently (not just prescribing medication). Curt and Katie talk with Lana about the importance of focusing on the whole person and incorporating lifestyle changes and commonsense health practices like diet, exercise, sleep and mindfulness in the quest for sustained wellness.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Lana Benedek, MD
 Lana Benedek, MD, is an integrative psychiatrist, consultant and teacher who has worked for more than 15 years with adolescents and adults, helping them to resolve issues of anxiety, depression and addiction. Throughout her career, Lana has been keenly interested in empowering individuals to create long-term healing beyond prescription medication and give them the tools to create lasting well-being. To that end, she has practiced mindfulness meditation and yoga for more than a decade, using it as a foundation for her own life and her approach to treatment. She currently facilitates mindfulness-based therapy groups for individuals with anxiety, depression and addiction throughout Los Angeles, including at the Mind Body Tree House and Resolutions Treatment Center. Additionally, she is on the clinical faculty of the University of Southern California (USC) where she teaches psychiatry trainees about mindfulness and self-care to reduce burnout and stress. Early in her medical career, Lana became interested in the marriage of medicine and other modalities of healing. During medical school while working on the pediatric ward of Howard Hospital in remote Zimbabwe, Lana became attuned to our society’s dependence on external medical treatments, which led her to begin practicing yoga and meditation. Later working with clients in the faculty practice, at USC and within the student health center at University of California at Los Angeles, she saw the benefits of incorporating mindfulness-based practices within her therapy.
You can learn more about Lana Benedek, MD at https://drbenedek.com.
In this episode we talk about:

What Integrative Psychiatry is and what it is not

The importance of mind, body, and community

Why to focus on root causes and not symptoms

How psychiatry can actually focus on least invasive methods, rather than going straight to medication

Strengths, individuals’ ability to heal themselves

Integrating traditional and alternative methods for healing

Walking your talk as a practitioner

The goal of sustained wellness, rather than symptom remission

Mindfulness and mindfulness-based therapies

How the system has evolved to having psychiatrists being the prescribers

Risks and benefits of medication

How medicine cannot address the underlying causes of symptoms

The risk of dependence and withdrawal

The importance of the scientific rigor in choosing interventions

When clinical experience and values-based medicine are needed

The importance of an anti-inflammatory diet: vegetables, good fats, legumes, lean proteins, nuts and seeds, whole grains

How your diet can make you depressed

Exercise is just as good as an antidepressant for your mood

The importance of sleep

The commonsense ways to help yourself feel better

How to collaborate with an integrative psychiatrist

Promoting Mental Wellness

Looking at strengths and the whole person, rather than symptoms within a rigid treatment framework

Psychoeducation on the causes of your mental health concerns</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2019 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Integrative Psychiatry</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b29da260-690e-11ed-9001-ff9ba54041c0/image/Episode_94.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Lana Benedek, MD, Integrative Psychiatrist </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Lana Benedek, MD, integrative psychiatrist, on how psychiatry can be practiced differently (not just prescribing medication). Curt and Katie talk with Lana about the importance of focusing on the whole person and incorporating lifestyle changes and commonsense health practices like diet, exercise, sleep and mindfulness in the quest for sustained wellness.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Lana Benedek, MD
 Lana Benedek, MD, is an integrative psychiatrist, consultant and teacher who has worked for more than 15 years with adolescents and adults, helping them to resolve issues of anxiety, depression and addiction. Throughout her career, Lana has been keenly interested in empowering individuals to create long-term healing beyond prescription medication and give them the tools to create lasting well-being. To that end, she has practiced mindfulness meditation and yoga for more than a decade, using it as a foundation for her own life and her approach to treatment. She currently facilitates mindfulness-based therapy groups for individuals with anxiety, depression and addiction throughout Los Angeles, including at the Mind Body Tree House and Resolutions Treatment Center. Additionally, she is on the clinical faculty of the University of Southern California (USC) where she teaches psychiatry trainees about mindfulness and self-care to reduce burnout and stress. Early in her medical career, Lana became interested in the marriage of medicine and other modalities of healing. During medical school while working on the pediatric ward of Howard Hospital in remote Zimbabwe, Lana became attuned to our society’s dependence on external medical treatments, which led her to begin practicing yoga and meditation. Later working with clients in the faculty practice, at USC and within the student health center at University of California at Los Angeles, she saw the benefits of incorporating mindfulness-based practices within her therapy.
You can learn more about Lana Benedek, MD at https://drbenedek.com.
In this episode we talk about:

What Integrative Psychiatry is and what it is not

The importance of mind, body, and community

Why to focus on root causes and not symptoms

How psychiatry can actually focus on least invasive methods, rather than going straight to medication

Strengths, individuals’ ability to heal themselves

Integrating traditional and alternative methods for healing

Walking your talk as a practitioner

The goal of sustained wellness, rather than symptom remission

Mindfulness and mindfulness-based therapies

How the system has evolved to having psychiatrists being the prescribers

Risks and benefits of medication

How medicine cannot address the underlying causes of symptoms

The risk of dependence and withdrawal

The importance of the scientific rigor in choosing interventions

When clinical experience and values-based medicine are needed

The importance of an anti-inflammatory diet: vegetables, good fats, legumes, lean proteins, nuts and seeds, whole grains

How your diet can make you depressed

Exercise is just as good as an antidepressant for your mood

The importance of sleep

The commonsense ways to help yourself feel better

How to collaborate with an integrative psychiatrist

Promoting Mental Wellness

Looking at strengths and the whole person, rather than symptoms within a rigid treatment framework

Psychoeducation on the causes of your mental health concerns</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Lana Benedek, MD, integrative psychiatrist, on how psychiatry can be practiced differently (not just prescribing medication). Curt and Katie talk with Lana about the importance of focusing on the whole person and incorporating lifestyle changes and commonsense health practices like diet, exercise, sleep and mindfulness in the quest for sustained wellness.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Lana Benedek, MD</p><p> Lana Benedek, MD, is an integrative psychiatrist, consultant and teacher who has worked for more than 15 years with adolescents and adults, helping them to resolve issues of anxiety, depression and addiction. Throughout her career, Lana has been keenly interested in empowering individuals to create long-term healing beyond prescription medication and give them the tools to create lasting well-being. To that end, she has practiced mindfulness meditation and yoga for more than a decade, using it as a foundation for her own life and her approach to treatment. She currently facilitates mindfulness-based therapy groups for individuals with anxiety, depression and addiction throughout Los Angeles, including at the Mind Body Tree House and Resolutions Treatment Center. Additionally, she is on the clinical faculty of the University of Southern California (USC) where she teaches psychiatry trainees about mindfulness and self-care to reduce burnout and stress. Early in her medical career, Lana became interested in the marriage of medicine and other modalities of healing. During medical school while working on the pediatric ward of Howard Hospital in remote Zimbabwe, Lana became attuned to our society’s dependence on external medical treatments, which led her to begin practicing yoga and meditation. Later working with clients in the faculty practice, at USC and within the student health center at University of California at Los Angeles, she saw the benefits of incorporating mindfulness-based practices within her therapy.</p><p>You can learn more about Lana Benedek, MD at <a href="https://drbenedek.com">https://drbenedek.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>What Integrative Psychiatry is and what it is not</li>
<li>The importance of mind, body, and community</li>
<li>Why to focus on root causes and not symptoms</li>
<li>How psychiatry can actually focus on least invasive methods, rather than going straight to medication</li>
<li>Strengths, individuals’ ability to heal themselves</li>
<li>Integrating traditional and alternative methods for healing</li>
<li>Walking your talk as a practitioner</li>
<li>The goal of sustained wellness, rather than symptom remission</li>
<li>Mindfulness and mindfulness-based therapies</li>
<li>How the system has evolved to having psychiatrists being the prescribers</li>
<li>Risks and benefits of medication</li>
<li>How medicine cannot address the underlying causes of symptoms</li>
<li>The risk of dependence and withdrawal</li>
<li>The importance of the scientific rigor in choosing interventions</li>
<li>When clinical experience and values-based medicine are needed</li>
<li>The importance of an anti-inflammatory diet: vegetables, good fats, legumes, lean proteins, nuts and seeds, whole grains</li>
<li>How your diet can make you depressed</li>
<li>Exercise is just as good as an antidepressant for your mood</li>
<li>The importance of sleep</li>
<li>The commonsense ways to help yourself feel better</li>
<li>How to collaborate with an integrative psychiatrist</li>
<li>Promoting Mental Wellness</li>
<li>Looking at strengths and the whole person, rather than symptoms within a rigid treatment framework</li>
<li>Psychoeducation on the causes of your mental health concerns</li>
</ul>]]>
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      <title>Antitrust for Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/antitrust-for-therapists</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about antitrust laws – how they impact therapists, how to avoid concerns, and what to pay attention to when you’re a therapist.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Sherman Antitrust Law

Why antitrust laws are important

Looking at insurance companies and the discrepancy that therapists are more held to antitrust than insurance companies for complicated reasons

Therapy practices are businesses and in competition with each other

Price Fixing and Market Share agreements

The problem and risk with group boycotts

The difference between colluding and discussing publicly available information

How competition discussing fees in small Facebook groups can lead to price fixing

The Cardigan Cartel

How to communicate fees and discuss insurance issues without getting into antitrust issues

Individuals on insurance panels are still competitors

How Antitrust can be anti-consumer

What the risks are for discussing pros and cons of different insurance panels

How to avoid anti-trust problems

Why you should talk to an attorney if you’re concerned

How interstate commerce relates to antitrust and how Insurance Plans can play a game to get out of all of this

The differences between employees who can strike and separate businesses banding together

How Single-Payer relates to this topic

How associations play into this and why they can survey their members on fees and other aspects of their businesses

The difference between being responsible as a business owner and following the trends

Sharing information, without making decisions and planning together

How often therapists or other healthcare providers get in trouble for antitrust concerns, as well as related licenses

Publicly available information is safe to discuss

Share information, but don’t put a call to action to do something with your colleagues</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Antitrust Laws for Therapists</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/b2ebd4bc-690e-11ed-9001-67573d7ef0f5/image/Episode_93.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about antitrust laws </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about antitrust laws – how they impact therapists, how to avoid concerns, and what to pay attention to when you’re a therapist.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Sherman Antitrust Law

Why antitrust laws are important

Looking at insurance companies and the discrepancy that therapists are more held to antitrust than insurance companies for complicated reasons

Therapy practices are businesses and in competition with each other

Price Fixing and Market Share agreements

The problem and risk with group boycotts

The difference between colluding and discussing publicly available information

How competition discussing fees in small Facebook groups can lead to price fixing

The Cardigan Cartel

How to communicate fees and discuss insurance issues without getting into antitrust issues

Individuals on insurance panels are still competitors

How Antitrust can be anti-consumer

What the risks are for discussing pros and cons of different insurance panels

How to avoid anti-trust problems

Why you should talk to an attorney if you’re concerned

How interstate commerce relates to antitrust and how Insurance Plans can play a game to get out of all of this

The differences between employees who can strike and separate businesses banding together

How Single-Payer relates to this topic

How associations play into this and why they can survey their members on fees and other aspects of their businesses

The difference between being responsible as a business owner and following the trends

Sharing information, without making decisions and planning together

How often therapists or other healthcare providers get in trouble for antitrust concerns, as well as related licenses

Publicly available information is safe to discuss

Share information, but don’t put a call to action to do something with your colleagues</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about antitrust laws – how they impact therapists, how to avoid concerns, and what to pay attention to when you’re a therapist.   </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Sherman Antitrust Law</li>
<li>Why antitrust laws are important</li>
<li>Looking at insurance companies and the discrepancy that therapists are more held to antitrust than insurance companies for complicated reasons</li>
<li>Therapy practices are businesses and in competition with each other</li>
<li>Price Fixing and Market Share agreements</li>
<li>The problem and risk with group boycotts</li>
<li>The difference between colluding and discussing publicly available information</li>
<li>How competition discussing fees in small Facebook groups can lead to price fixing</li>
<li>The Cardigan Cartel</li>
<li>How to communicate fees and discuss insurance issues without getting into antitrust issues</li>
<li>Individuals on insurance panels are still competitors</li>
<li>How Antitrust can be anti-consumer</li>
<li>What the risks are for discussing pros and cons of different insurance panels</li>
<li>How to avoid anti-trust problems</li>
<li>Why you should talk to an attorney if you’re concerned</li>
<li>How interstate commerce relates to antitrust and how Insurance Plans can play a game to get out of all of this</li>
<li>The differences between employees who can strike and separate businesses banding together</li>
<li>How Single-Payer relates to this topic</li>
<li>How associations play into this and why they can survey their members on fees and other aspects of their businesses</li>
<li>The difference between being responsible as a business owner and following the trends</li>
<li>Sharing information, without making decisions and planning together</li>
<li>How often therapists or other healthcare providers get in trouble for antitrust concerns, as well as related licenses</li>
<li>Publicly available information is safe to discuss</li>
<li>Share information, but don’t put a call to action to do something with your colleagues</li>
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      <title>Beyond Selling the Couch</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/beyond-selling-the-couch</link>
      <description>An interview with Melvin Varghese, Ph.D., on how he has created and nurtured three therapist-related businesses. Curt and Katie talk with him about how he decided what to create and how he manages these endeavors. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Melvin Varghese, Ph.D.
 Melvin Varghese, PhD is a psychologist in private practice (melvinvarghese.com) in Philadelphia where he works primarily with entrepreneurs and leaders. He's also the founder of Selling The Couch (sellingthecouch.com), a podcast and blog that helps mental health practitioners build careers in and out of the therapy room. He has also started a podcasting course and a community for helpers and healers who podcast, called the Healthcasters (sellingthecouch.com/the-healthcasters). He has also created the STC Directory (sellingthecouch.com/directory), a resource to help private practitioners better connect with one another.
In this episode we talk about:

How the podcast Selling the Couch got started

Additional options for therapists

The multiple income stream mindset for therapists

Melvin’s transition into being a father and how it impacted his businesses

Creating alternative revenue streams when life happens

Moving away from only being paid for “butt in seat time.”

The guilt when generating income without being present

Melvin’s immigration story and how it has impacted his business mindset

Deciding on income streams (it is profitable, is it scalable)

There is no such thing as “passive” income

How to sustain creative energy on new products or services

Thinking through the energy and time needed for the sustainability of the alternative income stream

Just because you have an idea, doesn’t mean it is a good idea (long-term and sustainable)

Building business around family (rather than fitting family in around business)

Thinking through how to start and then scale products

The upfront mental, emotional, and creative energy for launching alternative income streams

Setting an end goal

Focusing on one project at a time

Solidifying, streamlining, and delegating before moving to the next project

Time management, time blocking

How Melvin does market research

Testing products with Beta Testers

Where Melvin gets data, i.e., how do therapists get clients

Using and breaking down technology

Learning from mistakes

The difficulty in sustaining a lot of projects

Looking to make an impact and leave a legacy, rather than making money

 
Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Selling the Couch Podcast
 Katie’s appearance on Melvin’s podcast
The Healthcasters Course
The STC Directory
 Apple Insider (books on Steve Jobs)
 Book: The One Thing
 Book: 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership
The Call for Speakers for Therapy Reimagined 2019
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
Therapy Reimagined 2019
 
Relevant Podcast Episodes
Open to Opportunities
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Beyond Selling the Couch</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Melvin Varghese, Ph.D.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Melvin Varghese, Ph.D., on how he has created and nurtured three therapist-related businesses. Curt and Katie talk with him about how he decided what to create and how he manages these endeavors. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Melvin Varghese, Ph.D.
 Melvin Varghese, PhD is a psychologist in private practice (melvinvarghese.com) in Philadelphia where he works primarily with entrepreneurs and leaders. He's also the founder of Selling The Couch (sellingthecouch.com), a podcast and blog that helps mental health practitioners build careers in and out of the therapy room. He has also started a podcasting course and a community for helpers and healers who podcast, called the Healthcasters (sellingthecouch.com/the-healthcasters). He has also created the STC Directory (sellingthecouch.com/directory), a resource to help private practitioners better connect with one another.
In this episode we talk about:

How the podcast Selling the Couch got started

Additional options for therapists

The multiple income stream mindset for therapists

Melvin’s transition into being a father and how it impacted his businesses

Creating alternative revenue streams when life happens

Moving away from only being paid for “butt in seat time.”

The guilt when generating income without being present

Melvin’s immigration story and how it has impacted his business mindset

Deciding on income streams (it is profitable, is it scalable)

There is no such thing as “passive” income

How to sustain creative energy on new products or services

Thinking through the energy and time needed for the sustainability of the alternative income stream

Just because you have an idea, doesn’t mean it is a good idea (long-term and sustainable)

Building business around family (rather than fitting family in around business)

Thinking through how to start and then scale products

The upfront mental, emotional, and creative energy for launching alternative income streams

Setting an end goal

Focusing on one project at a time

Solidifying, streamlining, and delegating before moving to the next project

Time management, time blocking

How Melvin does market research

Testing products with Beta Testers

Where Melvin gets data, i.e., how do therapists get clients

Using and breaking down technology

Learning from mistakes

The difficulty in sustaining a lot of projects

Looking to make an impact and leave a legacy, rather than making money

 
Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Selling the Couch Podcast
 Katie’s appearance on Melvin’s podcast
The Healthcasters Course
The STC Directory
 Apple Insider (books on Steve Jobs)
 Book: The One Thing
 Book: 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership
The Call for Speakers for Therapy Reimagined 2019
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
Therapy Reimagined 2019
 
Relevant Podcast Episodes
Open to Opportunities
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Melvin Varghese, Ph.D., on how he has created and nurtured three therapist-related businesses. Curt and Katie talk with him about how he decided what to create and how he manages these endeavors. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Melvin Varghese, Ph.D.</p><p> Melvin Varghese, PhD is a psychologist in private practice (<a href="http://melvinvarghese.com/">melvinvarghese.com</a>) in Philadelphia where he works primarily with entrepreneurs and leaders. He's also the founder of Selling The Couch (<a href="https://sellingthecouch.com/">sellingthecouch.com</a>), a podcast and blog that helps mental health practitioners build careers in and out of the therapy room. He has also started a podcasting course and a community for helpers and healers who podcast, called the Healthcasters (<a href="http://sellingthecouch.com/the-healthcasters">sellingthecouch.com/the-healthcasters</a>). He has also created the STC Directory (<a href="http://sellingthecouch.com/directory">sellingthecouch.com/directory</a>), a resource to help private practitioners better connect with one another.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How the podcast Selling the Couch got started</li>
<li>Additional options for therapists</li>
<li>The multiple income stream mindset for therapists</li>
<li>Melvin’s transition into being a father and how it impacted his businesses</li>
<li>Creating alternative revenue streams when life happens</li>
<li>Moving away from only being paid for “butt in seat time.”</li>
<li>The guilt when generating income without being present</li>
<li>Melvin’s immigration story and how it has impacted his business mindset</li>
<li>Deciding on income streams (it is profitable, is it scalable)</li>
<li>There is no such thing as “passive” income</li>
<li>How to sustain creative energy on new products or services</li>
<li>Thinking through the energy and time needed for the sustainability of the alternative income stream</li>
<li>Just because you have an idea, doesn’t mean it is a good idea (long-term and sustainable)</li>
<li>Building business around family (rather than fitting family in around business)</li>
<li>Thinking through how to start and then scale products</li>
<li>The upfront mental, emotional, and creative energy for launching alternative income streams</li>
<li>Setting an end goal</li>
<li>Focusing on one project at a time</li>
<li>Solidifying, streamlining, and delegating before moving to the next project</li>
<li>Time management, time blocking</li>
<li>How Melvin does market research</li>
<li>Testing products with Beta Testers</li>
<li>Where Melvin gets data, i.e., how do therapists get clients</li>
<li>Using and breaking down technology</li>
<li>Learning from mistakes</li>
<li>The difficulty in sustaining a lot of projects</li>
<li>Looking to make an impact and leave a legacy, rather than making money</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Relevant Resources:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:</p><p><a href="https://sellingthecouch.com/podcast/">Selling the Couch Podcast</a></p><p><a href="https://sellingthecouch.com/session-167-maintaining-the-balance-of-being-a-helper-a-healer-and-a-business-owner/"> Katie’s appearance on Melvin’s podcast</a></p><p><a href="http://sellingthecouch.com/the-healthcasters/">The Healthcasters Course</a></p><p><a href="https://sellingthecouch.com/directory-sales1/">The STC Directory</a></p><p><a href="https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/09/04/two-new-books-offer-very-different-looks-at-apple-founder-steve-jobs"> Apple Insider (books on Steve Jobs)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ONE-Thing-Surprisingly-Extraordinary-Results-ebook/dp/B00C1BHQXK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1551054456&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=the+one+thing"> Book: The One Thing</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/21-Irrefutable-Laws-Leadership-Follow-ebook/dp/B00ETK5N5O/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1551054482&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=21+irrefutable+laws+of+leadership"> Book: 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/become-a-speaker/">The Call for Speakers for Therapy Reimagined 2019</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.lpages.co/therapy-reimagined-2019/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Podcast Episodes</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/open-to-opportunity/">Open to Opportunities</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Joining Your Association</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/joining-your-association</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about why to join your professional organization, how to best take advantage of the benefits of your membership, and what associations actually do.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Why to join your professional organization

What your membership fees go to

Advocacy efforts, legislation

Finding the cultural fit for your professional organization

Joining based on your license, the focus of the org, education

The tools that professional organizations provide to their members

The power of numbers in advocacy

Networking and getting referrals within your local chapter

Community building

Learning and growing

Relationship building

How to assess return on investment on joining

Opportunities for leadership, education, networking

Creating friendships

Differentiating yourself within your local community

Decreasing isolation

Gaining perspective on your work/business situation

Continuing Education

Making an impact on how your professional organization operates

Communication about the current state of affairs

Needed information for both pre-licensed and licensed individuals

Magazines, Scholarly Journals

How to get involved, show up consistently

Committees, projects, volunteering

How to approach the situation whether you’re an introvert, ambivert, or extrovert

Benefits to your business, network and community, education, advocacy, and fun

Vote for Curt Widhalm, LMFT for President-Elect of CAMFT</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Joining Your Association</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about why to join your professional organization</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about why to join your professional organization, how to best take advantage of the benefits of your membership, and what associations actually do.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Why to join your professional organization

What your membership fees go to

Advocacy efforts, legislation

Finding the cultural fit for your professional organization

Joining based on your license, the focus of the org, education

The tools that professional organizations provide to their members

The power of numbers in advocacy

Networking and getting referrals within your local chapter

Community building

Learning and growing

Relationship building

How to assess return on investment on joining

Opportunities for leadership, education, networking

Creating friendships

Differentiating yourself within your local community

Decreasing isolation

Gaining perspective on your work/business situation

Continuing Education

Making an impact on how your professional organization operates

Communication about the current state of affairs

Needed information for both pre-licensed and licensed individuals

Magazines, Scholarly Journals

How to get involved, show up consistently

Committees, projects, volunteering

How to approach the situation whether you’re an introvert, ambivert, or extrovert

Benefits to your business, network and community, education, advocacy, and fun

Vote for Curt Widhalm, LMFT for President-Elect of CAMFT</itunes:summary>
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<li>Why to join your professional organization</li>
<li>What your membership fees go to</li>
<li>Advocacy efforts, legislation</li>
<li>Finding the cultural fit for your professional organization</li>
<li>Joining based on your license, the focus of the org, education</li>
<li>The tools that professional organizations provide to their members</li>
<li>The power of numbers in advocacy</li>
<li>Networking and getting referrals within your local chapter</li>
<li>Community building</li>
<li>Learning and growing</li>
<li>Relationship building</li>
<li>How to assess return on investment on joining</li>
<li>Opportunities for leadership, education, networking</li>
<li>Creating friendships</li>
<li>Differentiating yourself within your local community</li>
<li>Decreasing isolation</li>
<li>Gaining perspective on your work/business situation</li>
<li>Continuing Education</li>
<li>Making an impact on how your professional organization operates</li>
<li>Communication about the current state of affairs</li>
<li>Needed information for both pre-licensed and licensed individuals</li>
<li>Magazines, Scholarly Journals</li>
<li>How to get involved, show up consistently</li>
<li>Committees, projects, volunteering</li>
<li>How to approach the situation whether you’re an introvert, ambivert, or extrovert</li>
<li>Benefits to your business, network and community, education, advocacy, and fun</li>
<li>Vote for Curt Widhalm, LMFT for President-Elect of CAMFT</li>
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      <title>Managing Chronic Pain and Illness</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/managing-chronic-pain-and-illness-0</link>
      <description>An interview with Daniela Paolone, LMFT about how she treats clients with chronic pain and illnesses while navigating her own diagnosis. Curt and Katie talked with Daniela about how typical therapy doesn’t work for these clients, providing practical strategies for treatment and therapist self-care.

Interview with Daniela Paolone, LMFT
Daniela Paolone is a Marriage and Family Therapist who is licensed in California and Wyoming and offers support to those impacted by anxiety, depression, life transitions, chronic pain, chronic illness, and medical trauma. She provides online and in-person counseling to California residents and offers online counseling to Wyoming residents. 
As a therapist with chronic health conditions, she utilizes her personal experiences and professional training in her counseling work. Daniela’s integrative approach helps her clients learn new ways of coping so that they can live more fulfilling lives and feel empowered as they move through life challenges, such as medical illness and chronic pain.  
Daniela also offers workshops and consultation support for mental health professionals. She also provides community presentations focused on pain management, stress management, sleep solutions and more. If you want to learn about where she is presenting next, you can sign up for her newsletter here. When you sign up, you will also receive a free guided meditation as thank you gift. 
 
In this episode we talk about:

Why Daniela decided that she wanted to go into working with chronic pain and illness as her area of specialty

What was missing in the treatment she had seen for chronic pain and illness sufferers

The need for structure and for understanding

How she has decided how to disclose about her own diagnosis, medical procedures, etc. based on relevance and relatability

The specific challenges of being a younger person who has chronic illness

Modeling needs and self-care to clients

Themes of isolation and not being understood

Being a Spoon-y

What therapists often get wrong when working with chronic pain sufferers

The need to do a good job of assessing functioning, what they can do in a typical day

Understanding the neuroscience of pain and how it impacts their ability to do deeper, insight-oriented work

The conversation about attendance, options when someone (client or therapist) are having a flare-up (like online services)

The need for a more flexible cancellation policy

Understanding their schedule of doctor’s appointments

The idea of consulting with the other medical professionals on their team

The work in session around navigating doctors, their illness

The need for a case management hat at times

Putting a focus on building skills and support

Looking at scope of practice when you have had your own medical journey and have knowledge.

How to share information through a psychoeducational lens

 
Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Daniela’s website: www.westlakevillage-counseling.com
Spoon Theory: https://butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory/
 7 Psychological Stages of Chronic Pain (and it also applies to chronic illness)  
Functional Medicine defined: https://drhyman.com/about-2/about-functional-medicine/
Dr. Datis Kharrazian: https://drknews.com/about-dr-datis-kharrazian/
 
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
Therapy Reimagined 2019
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Managing Chronic Pain and Illness: An interview with Daniela Paolone MFT</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Daniela Paolone, MFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Daniela Paolone, LMFT about how she treats clients with chronic pain and illnesses while navigating her own diagnosis. Curt and Katie talked with Daniela about how typical therapy doesn’t work for these clients, providing practical strategies for treatment and therapist self-care.

Interview with Daniela Paolone, LMFT
Daniela Paolone is a Marriage and Family Therapist who is licensed in California and Wyoming and offers support to those impacted by anxiety, depression, life transitions, chronic pain, chronic illness, and medical trauma. She provides online and in-person counseling to California residents and offers online counseling to Wyoming residents. 
As a therapist with chronic health conditions, she utilizes her personal experiences and professional training in her counseling work. Daniela’s integrative approach helps her clients learn new ways of coping so that they can live more fulfilling lives and feel empowered as they move through life challenges, such as medical illness and chronic pain.  
Daniela also offers workshops and consultation support for mental health professionals. She also provides community presentations focused on pain management, stress management, sleep solutions and more. If you want to learn about where she is presenting next, you can sign up for her newsletter here. When you sign up, you will also receive a free guided meditation as thank you gift. 
 
In this episode we talk about:

Why Daniela decided that she wanted to go into working with chronic pain and illness as her area of specialty

What was missing in the treatment she had seen for chronic pain and illness sufferers

The need for structure and for understanding

How she has decided how to disclose about her own diagnosis, medical procedures, etc. based on relevance and relatability

The specific challenges of being a younger person who has chronic illness

Modeling needs and self-care to clients

Themes of isolation and not being understood

Being a Spoon-y

What therapists often get wrong when working with chronic pain sufferers

The need to do a good job of assessing functioning, what they can do in a typical day

Understanding the neuroscience of pain and how it impacts their ability to do deeper, insight-oriented work

The conversation about attendance, options when someone (client or therapist) are having a flare-up (like online services)

The need for a more flexible cancellation policy

Understanding their schedule of doctor’s appointments

The idea of consulting with the other medical professionals on their team

The work in session around navigating doctors, their illness

The need for a case management hat at times

Putting a focus on building skills and support

Looking at scope of practice when you have had your own medical journey and have knowledge.

How to share information through a psychoeducational lens

 
Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Daniela’s website: www.westlakevillage-counseling.com
Spoon Theory: https://butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory/
 7 Psychological Stages of Chronic Pain (and it also applies to chronic illness)  
Functional Medicine defined: https://drhyman.com/about-2/about-functional-medicine/
Dr. Datis Kharrazian: https://drknews.com/about-dr-datis-kharrazian/
 
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
Therapy Reimagined 2019
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Daniela Paolone, LMFT about how she treats clients with chronic pain and illnesses while navigating her own diagnosis. Curt and Katie talked with Daniela about how typical therapy doesn’t work for these clients, providing practical strategies for treatment and therapist self-care.</p><p><br></p><p>Interview with Daniela Paolone, LMFT</p><p>Daniela Paolone is a Marriage and Family Therapist who is licensed in California and Wyoming and offers support to those impacted by anxiety, depression, life transitions, chronic pain, chronic illness, and medical trauma. She provides online and in-person counseling to California residents and offers online counseling to Wyoming residents. </p><p>As a therapist with chronic health conditions, she utilizes her personal experiences and professional training in her counseling work. Daniela’s integrative approach helps her clients learn new ways of coping so that they can live more fulfilling lives and feel empowered as they move through life challenges, such as medical illness and chronic pain.  </p><p>Daniela also offers workshops and consultation support for mental health professionals. She also provides community presentations focused on pain management, stress management, sleep solutions and more. If you want to learn about where she is presenting next, you can sign up for her newsletter <a href="https://westlakevillage-counseling.com/">here</a>. When you sign up, you will also receive a free guided meditation as thank you gift. </p><p> </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Why Daniela decided that she wanted to go into working with chronic pain and illness as her area of specialty</li>
<li>What was missing in the treatment she had seen for chronic pain and illness sufferers</li>
<li>The need for structure and for understanding</li>
<li>How she has decided how to disclose about her own diagnosis, medical procedures, etc. based on relevance and relatability</li>
<li>The specific challenges of being a younger person who has chronic illness</li>
<li>Modeling needs and self-care to clients</li>
<li>Themes of isolation and not being understood</li>
<li>Being a Spoon-y</li>
<li>What therapists often get wrong when working with chronic pain sufferers</li>
<li>The need to do a good job of assessing functioning, what they can do in a typical day</li>
<li>Understanding the neuroscience of pain and how it impacts their ability to do deeper, insight-oriented work</li>
<li>The conversation about attendance, options when someone (client or therapist) are having a flare-up (like online services)</li>
<li>The need for a more flexible cancellation policy</li>
<li>Understanding their schedule of doctor’s appointments</li>
<li>The idea of consulting with the other medical professionals on their team</li>
<li>The work in session around navigating doctors, their illness</li>
<li>The need for a case management hat at times</li>
<li>Putting a focus on building skills and support</li>
<li>Looking at scope of practice when you have had your own medical journey and have knowledge.</li>
<li>How to share information through a psychoeducational lens</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Relevant Resources:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:</p><p>Daniela’s website: <a href="http://www.westlakevillage-counseling.com/">www.westlakevillage-counseling.com</a></p><p>Spoon Theory: <a href="https://butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory/">https://butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory/</a></p><p><a href="https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2015/9/13/the-7-psychological-stages-of-chronic-pain-illness"> 7 Psychological Stages of Chronic Pain (and it also applies to chronic illness)  </a></p><p>Functional Medicine defined: <a href="https://drhyman.com/about-2/about-functional-medicine/">https://drhyman.com/about-2/about-functional-medicine/</a></p><p>Dr. Datis Kharrazian: <a href="https://drknews.com/about-dr-datis-kharrazian/">https://drknews.com/about-dr-datis-kharrazian/</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.lpages.co/therapy-reimagined-2019/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>On the APA Guidelines for Boys and Men</title>
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      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the 2018 APA Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men. We talk about the definition of masculinity and each of the guidelines, looking at what they explain well and where they miss the mark. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Discussing whether these guidelines would be created

The importance of teasing out the differences across demographics, genders, etc.

The complexity of men and what the guidelines address

The definition of masculinity and Curt’s problem with it

The concept of many masculinities

The shifting perception of masculinity and femininity

Toxic masculinity as the extreme

The places where the guidelines miss the mark

Comparing Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson and Michael Cerra

The stuff that is “no duh.”

Discussing intersectionality, the impact of culture, sexism, power, privilege on how men develop

Biological, evolutionary, and societal impacts on sexism for men

Challenging the idea that we actually value all the different types of masculinity

How the educational guidelines miss the need to adjust how schools operate

What is missed or misrepresented about bullying

How the guidelines address violence

The problem with the data on violence – looking at convictions versus how many are committed

The concept of “boys will be boys”

Physical differences that lead to stand up and be protective

The thought that the Guidelines are not acknowledging the biological or physical differences between men and other genders

The types of responses men have toward taking care of their health

How to embrace masculinity as an element of diversity and not thinking that masculinity is bad

Differentiating toxic masculinity from masculinity (i.e., pathologizing masculinity)

How this can be perceived in the #metoo era

The shifting of what is acceptable for men and potential impacts of these shifts on boys and men

How advocacy is addressed in the guidelines, especially looking at intersectionality

Relevant Episodes:
When is it Discrimination?
 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 APA Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men
Podcast: Hardcore History
 
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>On the APA Guidelines for Boys and Men</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the 2018 American Psychological Association Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the 2018 APA Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men. We talk about the definition of masculinity and each of the guidelines, looking at what they explain well and where they miss the mark. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Discussing whether these guidelines would be created

The importance of teasing out the differences across demographics, genders, etc.

The complexity of men and what the guidelines address

The definition of masculinity and Curt’s problem with it

The concept of many masculinities

The shifting perception of masculinity and femininity

Toxic masculinity as the extreme

The places where the guidelines miss the mark

Comparing Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson and Michael Cerra

The stuff that is “no duh.”

Discussing intersectionality, the impact of culture, sexism, power, privilege on how men develop

Biological, evolutionary, and societal impacts on sexism for men

Challenging the idea that we actually value all the different types of masculinity

How the educational guidelines miss the need to adjust how schools operate

What is missed or misrepresented about bullying

How the guidelines address violence

The problem with the data on violence – looking at convictions versus how many are committed

The concept of “boys will be boys”

Physical differences that lead to stand up and be protective

The thought that the Guidelines are not acknowledging the biological or physical differences between men and other genders

The types of responses men have toward taking care of their health

How to embrace masculinity as an element of diversity and not thinking that masculinity is bad

Differentiating toxic masculinity from masculinity (i.e., pathologizing masculinity)

How this can be perceived in the #metoo era

The shifting of what is acceptable for men and potential impacts of these shifts on boys and men

How advocacy is addressed in the guidelines, especially looking at intersectionality

Relevant Episodes:
When is it Discrimination?
 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 APA Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men
Podcast: Hardcore History
 
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about the 2018 APA Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men. We talk about the definition of masculinity and each of the guidelines, looking at what they explain well and where they miss the mark. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Discussing whether these guidelines would be created</li>
<li>The importance of teasing out the differences across demographics, genders, etc.</li>
<li>The complexity of men and what the guidelines address</li>
<li>The definition of masculinity and Curt’s problem with it</li>
<li>The concept of many masculinities</li>
<li>The shifting perception of masculinity and femininity</li>
<li>Toxic masculinity as the extreme</li>
<li>The places where the guidelines miss the mark</li>
<li>Comparing Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson and Michael Cerra</li>
<li>The stuff that is “no duh.”</li>
<li>Discussing intersectionality, the impact of culture, sexism, power, privilege on how men develop</li>
<li>Biological, evolutionary, and societal impacts on sexism for men</li>
<li>Challenging the idea that we actually value all the different types of masculinity</li>
<li>How the educational guidelines miss the need to adjust how schools operate</li>
<li>What is missed or misrepresented about bullying</li>
<li>How the guidelines address violence</li>
<li>The problem with the data on violence – looking at convictions versus how many are committed</li>
<li>The concept of “boys will be boys”</li>
<li>Physical differences that lead to stand up and be protective</li>
<li>The thought that the Guidelines are not acknowledging the biological or physical differences between men and other genders</li>
<li>The types of responses men have toward taking care of their health</li>
<li>How to embrace masculinity as an element of diversity and not thinking that masculinity is bad</li>
<li>Differentiating toxic masculinity from masculinity (i.e., pathologizing masculinity)</li>
<li>How this can be perceived in the #metoo era</li>
<li>The shifting of what is acceptable for men and potential impacts of these shifts on boys and men</li>
<li>How advocacy is addressed in the guidelines, especially looking at intersectionality</li>
</ul><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/when-is-it-discrimination/">When is it Discrimination?</a></p><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.apa.org/about/policy/boys-men-practice-guidelines.pdf"> APA Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men</a></p><p><a href="https://www.dancarlin.com/product-category/hardcore-history/">Podcast: Hardcore History</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a>: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.</p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Open to Opportunity</title>
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      <description>An interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT, CAMS-IV, about her ability to identify opportunities for entrepreneurship. Curt and Katie talk with her about how she has thrived as a therapist and a business owner, even though she doesn’t see herself as a “visionary” or “strategist.”
Interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT, CAMS-IV, Executive Director of Avedian Counseling Center, Executive Director of Anger Management Essentials
Anita Avedian is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and has been practicing psychotherapy since 1996. She opened her practice in 2001 and continues to see clients in Sherman Oaks, Hollywood, Glendale, and Woodland Hills. Avedian Marriage and Family Therapy Corporation was formed in 2018, where Anita merged Anger Management 818 and her private practice into a group practice. Her specialties include working with relationships, anger, social anxiety, general anxiety, and addictions. Anita is the Executive Director of Avedian Counseling Center, with 8 locations, helping people work towards improving their daily lives and relationships.
Anita is very involved with the professional community. Anita is the co-Founder and President of the California Chapter of NAMA, and the Founder of Toastmasters for Mental Health Professionals. Anita is an active member of the Armenian American Medical Society (AAMS) and the Armenian American Mental Health Association (AAMHA). She also volunteers to help organize the mental health segment of the annual Glendale Health Festival.
In this episode we talk about:

How Anita started and succeeded at a number of different businesses

Learning about business and entrepreneurship

The importance of networking and building relationships

Following the path in front of her, toward leadership, business, entrepreneurship

The additional education she engaged in, so that she was able to learn what she needed to do

The path toward all the offerings she has created: a book, creating a curriculum and certificate program, multi-location group practice, managing office space, speaking and presenting, new endeavors

How collaboration and fun has led her into opportunities that she didn’t expect

Anita claiming that she doesn’t have vision, but has made herself available to the possibilities

How she now assesses opportunities for time, feasibility, etc.

How she is able to let go of ideas or projects that are not working

How she makes decisions and identifies needs in her communities

The strategy she takes to expand offerings

How and why she says no

How her work naturally progresses

Why some people miss out on opportunities

The ability to trust opportunities to be there when they are needed

Doing what she enjoys, building the relationships she wants, in order to live a good life (rather than just to get referrals)

Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Anita Avedian’s website
Anger Management 818
Anger Management Essentials
Shrink Sync
Avedian Counseling Center
Phone number: 818-426-2495
 
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
Therapy Reimagined 2019

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Open to Opportunity</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT, CAMS-IV, about her ability to identify opportunities for entrepreneurship</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT, CAMS-IV, about her ability to identify opportunities for entrepreneurship. Curt and Katie talk with her about how she has thrived as a therapist and a business owner, even though she doesn’t see herself as a “visionary” or “strategist.”
Interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT, CAMS-IV, Executive Director of Avedian Counseling Center, Executive Director of Anger Management Essentials
Anita Avedian is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and has been practicing psychotherapy since 1996. She opened her practice in 2001 and continues to see clients in Sherman Oaks, Hollywood, Glendale, and Woodland Hills. Avedian Marriage and Family Therapy Corporation was formed in 2018, where Anita merged Anger Management 818 and her private practice into a group practice. Her specialties include working with relationships, anger, social anxiety, general anxiety, and addictions. Anita is the Executive Director of Avedian Counseling Center, with 8 locations, helping people work towards improving their daily lives and relationships.
Anita is very involved with the professional community. Anita is the co-Founder and President of the California Chapter of NAMA, and the Founder of Toastmasters for Mental Health Professionals. Anita is an active member of the Armenian American Medical Society (AAMS) and the Armenian American Mental Health Association (AAMHA). She also volunteers to help organize the mental health segment of the annual Glendale Health Festival.
In this episode we talk about:

How Anita started and succeeded at a number of different businesses

Learning about business and entrepreneurship

The importance of networking and building relationships

Following the path in front of her, toward leadership, business, entrepreneurship

The additional education she engaged in, so that she was able to learn what she needed to do

The path toward all the offerings she has created: a book, creating a curriculum and certificate program, multi-location group practice, managing office space, speaking and presenting, new endeavors

How collaboration and fun has led her into opportunities that she didn’t expect

Anita claiming that she doesn’t have vision, but has made herself available to the possibilities

How she now assesses opportunities for time, feasibility, etc.

How she is able to let go of ideas or projects that are not working

How she makes decisions and identifies needs in her communities

The strategy she takes to expand offerings

How and why she says no

How her work naturally progresses

Why some people miss out on opportunities

The ability to trust opportunities to be there when they are needed

Doing what she enjoys, building the relationships she wants, in order to live a good life (rather than just to get referrals)

Relevant Resources:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Anita Avedian’s website
Anger Management 818
Anger Management Essentials
Shrink Sync
Avedian Counseling Center
Phone number: 818-426-2495
 
The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook
Therapy Reimagined 2019

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT, CAMS-IV, about her ability to identify opportunities for entrepreneurship. Curt and Katie talk with her about how she has thrived as a therapist and a business owner, even though she doesn’t see herself as a “visionary” or “strategist.”</p><p>Interview with Anita Avedian, LMFT, CAMS-IV, Executive Director of Avedian Counseling Center, Executive Director of Anger Management Essentials</p><p>Anita Avedian is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and has been practicing psychotherapy since 1996. She opened her practice in 2001 and continues to see clients in Sherman Oaks, Hollywood, Glendale, and Woodland Hills. Avedian Marriage and Family Therapy Corporation was formed in 2018, where Anita merged Anger Management 818 and her private practice into a group practice. Her specialties include working with relationships, anger, social anxiety, general anxiety, and addictions. Anita is the Executive Director of Avedian Counseling Center, with 8 locations, helping people work towards improving their daily lives and relationships.</p><p>Anita is very involved with the professional community. Anita is the co-Founder and President of the California Chapter of NAMA, and the Founder of Toastmasters for Mental Health Professionals. Anita is an active member of the Armenian American Medical Society (AAMS) and the Armenian American Mental Health Association (AAMHA). She also volunteers to help organize the mental health segment of the annual Glendale Health Festival.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How Anita started and succeeded at a number of different businesses</li>
<li>Learning about business and entrepreneurship</li>
<li>The importance of networking and building relationships</li>
<li>Following the path in front of her, toward leadership, business, entrepreneurship</li>
<li>The additional education she engaged in, so that she was able to learn what she needed to do</li>
<li>The path toward all the offerings she has created: a book, creating a curriculum and certificate program, multi-location group practice, managing office space, speaking and presenting, new endeavors</li>
<li>How collaboration and fun has led her into opportunities that she didn’t expect</li>
<li>Anita claiming that she doesn’t have vision, but has made herself available to the possibilities</li>
<li>How she now assesses opportunities for time, feasibility, etc.</li>
<li>How she is able to let go of ideas or projects that are not working</li>
<li>How she makes decisions and identifies needs in her communities</li>
<li>The strategy she takes to expand offerings</li>
<li>How and why she says no</li>
<li>How her work naturally progresses</li>
<li>Why some people miss out on opportunities</li>
<li>The ability to trust opportunities to be there when they are needed</li>
<li>Doing what she enjoys, building the relationships she wants, in order to live a good life (rather than just to get referrals)</li>
</ul><p>Relevant Resources:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:</p><p><a href="http://www.anitaavedian.com/">Anita Avedian’s website</a></p><p><a href="https://angermanagement818.com/">Anger Management 818</a></p><p><a href="https://www.angermanagementessentials.com/">Anger Management Essentials</a></p><p><a href="http://www.shrinksync.com/">Shrink Sync</a></p><p><a href="https://avediancounselingcenter.com/">Avedian Counseling Center</a></p><p>Phone number: 818-426-2495</p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.lpages.co/therapy-reimagined-2019/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a></p><p><br></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>When is it Discrimination?</title>
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      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how niche, safety considerations, or competence can be used by therapists to discriminate against specific classes of people. Specifically looking at therapists who decide to no longer work with men. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How therapists might be discriminating when they refuse to work with a specific gender

Niche, specialization, scope of competence (or scope of excellence)

How to assess whether you are discriminating or providing the highest level of care (i.e., referral)

Having a thoughtful process and clear conversation to help clients find the best match

Assessing safety in deciding who to take into your practice

The importance of good screening tools

The problem of refusing to see clients when you are fearful of a whole protected class of individuals

Marketing to your ideal client to help the clients you’re best suited to help call you

When there is a competence issue to be a therapist when you are not able to work professionally with specific protected classes

The role that past traumas and wounding experiences have on our ability to be effective therapists

Self-awareness versus discrimination

The argument about whether we “have to” serve everyone who reaches out to us for help

Options when you don’t feel capable of serving specific issues or specific classes of people

Referring out, learning more, working on your own triggers

The standard that therapists are held to

How not to discriminate – helping clients to make an informed choice, providing professional assistance (referring out)

When you must see clients according to the ethics codes

How to take care of yourself as a therapist

Respecting that we are human beings with limits, while still understanding the higher standard that we are held to</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>When is it Discrimination?</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how niche, safety considerations, or competence can be used by therapists to discriminate</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how niche, safety considerations, or competence can be used by therapists to discriminate against specific classes of people. Specifically looking at therapists who decide to no longer work with men. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How therapists might be discriminating when they refuse to work with a specific gender

Niche, specialization, scope of competence (or scope of excellence)

How to assess whether you are discriminating or providing the highest level of care (i.e., referral)

Having a thoughtful process and clear conversation to help clients find the best match

Assessing safety in deciding who to take into your practice

The importance of good screening tools

The problem of refusing to see clients when you are fearful of a whole protected class of individuals

Marketing to your ideal client to help the clients you’re best suited to help call you

When there is a competence issue to be a therapist when you are not able to work professionally with specific protected classes

The role that past traumas and wounding experiences have on our ability to be effective therapists

Self-awareness versus discrimination

The argument about whether we “have to” serve everyone who reaches out to us for help

Options when you don’t feel capable of serving specific issues or specific classes of people

Referring out, learning more, working on your own triggers

The standard that therapists are held to

How not to discriminate – helping clients to make an informed choice, providing professional assistance (referring out)

When you must see clients according to the ethics codes

How to take care of yourself as a therapist

Respecting that we are human beings with limits, while still understanding the higher standard that we are held to</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how niche, safety considerations, or competence can be used by therapists to discriminate against specific classes of people. Specifically looking at therapists who decide to no longer work with men. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How therapists might be discriminating when they refuse to work with a specific gender</li>
<li>Niche, specialization, scope of competence (or scope of excellence)</li>
<li>How to assess whether you are discriminating or providing the highest level of care (i.e., referral)</li>
<li>Having a thoughtful process and clear conversation to help clients find the best match</li>
<li>Assessing safety in deciding who to take into your practice</li>
<li>The importance of good screening tools</li>
<li>The problem of refusing to see clients when you are fearful of a whole protected class of individuals</li>
<li>Marketing to your ideal client to help the clients you’re best suited to help call you</li>
<li>When there is a competence issue to be a therapist when you are not able to work professionally with specific protected classes</li>
<li>The role that past traumas and wounding experiences have on our ability to be effective therapists</li>
<li>Self-awareness versus discrimination</li>
<li>The argument about whether we “have to” serve everyone who reaches out to us for help</li>
<li>Options when you don’t feel capable of serving specific issues or specific classes of people</li>
<li>Referring out, learning more, working on your own triggers</li>
<li>The standard that therapists are held to</li>
<li>How not to discriminate – helping clients to make an informed choice, providing professional assistance (referring out)</li>
<li>When you must see clients according to the ethics codes</li>
<li>How to take care of yourself as a therapist</li>
<li>Respecting that we are human beings with limits, while still understanding the higher standard that we are held to</li>
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      <title>Let’s Talk About Race</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/lets-talk-about-race</link>
      <description>An interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT on Race, Ethnicity, Culture, Privilege and Bias. Curt and Katie talk with Stevon about how white therapists and therapists of color can (and should) open up conversations on these important topics, looking at why it is so hard and why it is critical we do so anyway.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT
Stevon Lewis is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist practicing in Torrance, CA. He earned Bachelors of Arts degrees in Psychology and Afro-Ethnic Studies from California State University, Fullerton. He also has a Master’s of Science degree in Counseling with an emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy from California State University, Long Beach. Stevon began his therapy career in 2007 as a therapist at a community mental health agency in Long Beach working with the families of adolescents involved with the juvenile justice system. Currently, Stevon is the Director of Counseling Services at Woodbury University, a small private university in Burbank, CA. There he oversees the psychotherapy for all students, supervises two licensed clinicians, two associates, and provides consultation to faculty and staff.
Stevon has a private practice in Torrance where he works with adults struggling with Impostor Syndrome, depression, anxiety and stress, and couples experiencing difficulty in their relationships as a result of poor communication and unmet expectations.
In addition, he is the Past President of the Long Beach-South Bay Chapter of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists.
You can learn more about Stevon at: www.stevonlewis.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Barriers that therapists of color face that white therapists do not

How the curriculums of our clinical programs are based on white norms (and thoughts on what we should put in these curriculums to address this bias)

The different perspectives that are missed when we rely on these white norms

The othering of people of color in these programs

How race and ethnicity come into the room

How to obtain the information that you need, seeing the world from other perspectives

The bias that can come up and turn into microaggressions

How to seek knowledge without putting the responsibility of teaching on the people of color around you

The value of curiosity and Google, cultural humility

Ideas for productive conversations about culture, race, ethnicity

How to identify what you are responsible for

The impact of historical trauma, racial injustice, and slavery on the conversations now

A deeper look at bias and the impact of individual and societal bias on our interactions

The pain of shame, defensiveness, and perceived divisiveness that might hinder our progress

The importance of white people talking about race, and of white allies

How to identify if your program is pushing you to be white-normed

Ideas to translate the lessons to apply to you as an individual and calling out “this isn’t going to work for me”

Encouraging the conversations about how we are perceived by society and how that can impact the relationship in the room

The idea that we can have feelings about the clients we see – the need to be conscious about it and releasing guilt about negative or neutral feelings about our clients</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Let's Talk About Race</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT on Race, Ethnicity, Culture, Privilege and Bias</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT on Race, Ethnicity, Culture, Privilege and Bias. Curt and Katie talk with Stevon about how white therapists and therapists of color can (and should) open up conversations on these important topics, looking at why it is so hard and why it is critical we do so anyway.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT
Stevon Lewis is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist practicing in Torrance, CA. He earned Bachelors of Arts degrees in Psychology and Afro-Ethnic Studies from California State University, Fullerton. He also has a Master’s of Science degree in Counseling with an emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy from California State University, Long Beach. Stevon began his therapy career in 2007 as a therapist at a community mental health agency in Long Beach working with the families of adolescents involved with the juvenile justice system. Currently, Stevon is the Director of Counseling Services at Woodbury University, a small private university in Burbank, CA. There he oversees the psychotherapy for all students, supervises two licensed clinicians, two associates, and provides consultation to faculty and staff.
Stevon has a private practice in Torrance where he works with adults struggling with Impostor Syndrome, depression, anxiety and stress, and couples experiencing difficulty in their relationships as a result of poor communication and unmet expectations.
In addition, he is the Past President of the Long Beach-South Bay Chapter of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists.
You can learn more about Stevon at: www.stevonlewis.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Barriers that therapists of color face that white therapists do not

How the curriculums of our clinical programs are based on white norms (and thoughts on what we should put in these curriculums to address this bias)

The different perspectives that are missed when we rely on these white norms

The othering of people of color in these programs

How race and ethnicity come into the room

How to obtain the information that you need, seeing the world from other perspectives

The bias that can come up and turn into microaggressions

How to seek knowledge without putting the responsibility of teaching on the people of color around you

The value of curiosity and Google, cultural humility

Ideas for productive conversations about culture, race, ethnicity

How to identify what you are responsible for

The impact of historical trauma, racial injustice, and slavery on the conversations now

A deeper look at bias and the impact of individual and societal bias on our interactions

The pain of shame, defensiveness, and perceived divisiveness that might hinder our progress

The importance of white people talking about race, and of white allies

How to identify if your program is pushing you to be white-normed

Ideas to translate the lessons to apply to you as an individual and calling out “this isn’t going to work for me”

Encouraging the conversations about how we are perceived by society and how that can impact the relationship in the room

The idea that we can have feelings about the clients we see – the need to be conscious about it and releasing guilt about negative or neutral feelings about our clients</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT on Race, Ethnicity, Culture, Privilege and Bias. Curt and Katie talk with Stevon about how white therapists and therapists of color can (and should) open up conversations on these important topics, looking at why it is so hard and why it is critical we do so anyway.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Stevon Lewis, LMFT</p><p>Stevon Lewis is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist practicing in Torrance, CA. He earned Bachelors of Arts degrees in Psychology and Afro-Ethnic Studies from California State University, Fullerton. He also has a Master’s of Science degree in Counseling with an emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy from California State University, Long Beach. Stevon began his therapy career in 2007 as a therapist at a community mental health agency in Long Beach working with the families of adolescents involved with the juvenile justice system. Currently, Stevon is the Director of Counseling Services at Woodbury University, a small private university in Burbank, CA. There he oversees the psychotherapy for all students, supervises two licensed clinicians, two associates, and provides consultation to faculty and staff.</p><p>Stevon has a private practice in Torrance where he works with adults struggling with Impostor Syndrome, depression, anxiety and stress, and couples experiencing difficulty in their relationships as a result of poor communication and unmet expectations.</p><p>In addition, he is the Past President of the Long Beach-South Bay Chapter of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists.</p><p>You can learn more about Stevon at: <a href="http://www.stevonlewis.com">www.stevonlewis.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Barriers that therapists of color face that white therapists do not</li>
<li>How the curriculums of our clinical programs are based on white norms (and thoughts on what we should put in these curriculums to address this bias)</li>
<li>The different perspectives that are missed when we rely on these white norms</li>
<li>The othering of people of color in these programs</li>
<li>How race and ethnicity come into the room</li>
<li>How to obtain the information that you need, seeing the world from other perspectives</li>
<li>The bias that can come up and turn into microaggressions</li>
<li>How to seek knowledge without putting the responsibility of teaching on the people of color around you</li>
<li>The value of curiosity and Google, cultural humility</li>
<li>Ideas for productive conversations about culture, race, ethnicity</li>
<li>How to identify what you are responsible for</li>
<li>The impact of historical trauma, racial injustice, and slavery on the conversations now</li>
<li>A deeper look at bias and the impact of individual and societal bias on our interactions</li>
<li>The pain of shame, defensiveness, and perceived divisiveness that might hinder our progress</li>
<li>The importance of white people talking about race, and of white allies</li>
<li>How to identify if your program is pushing you to be white-normed</li>
<li>Ideas to translate the lessons to apply to you as an individual and calling out “this isn’t going to work for me”</li>
<li>Encouraging the conversations about how we are perceived by society and how that can impact the relationship in the room</li>
<li>The idea that we can have feelings about the clients we see – the need to be conscious about it and releasing guilt about negative or neutral feelings about our clients</li>
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      <title>Take Action Like a BOSS</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/take-action-like-a-boss</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the difference between talking about what’s wrong and actually doing something about it. Katie shares her BOSS acronym for making decisions and taking action. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Taking action rather than just talking about what needs to change

Identifying what you want to take action on

Experimenting, finding what you’re motivated to actually do

The big goals that we have pursued and continue to act on

Making commitments to others can help move action forward

Vision, goals, and connecting to like-minded people to accomplish goals

Creating the structure to be able to accomplish big dreams

The challenges in our profession that warrant consideration for taking action

A call to action to think about the conversations you’re having and identify actionable steps for creating change

Katie’s acronym for making decisions: BOSS (Bold Objective Selective Strategic)

Finding your big bold vision

Creating your personal mission statement

Looking at logistics (time, energy, timing, etc.)

Saying yes also means saying no

Creating the plan – scheduling tasks, not creating a to do list

The importance of structure and support

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Simon Sinek’s Start With Why
CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)
#therapymovement
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Take Action Like a BOSS</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the difference between talking about what’s wrong and actually doing something about it. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the difference between talking about what’s wrong and actually doing something about it. Katie shares her BOSS acronym for making decisions and taking action. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Taking action rather than just talking about what needs to change

Identifying what you want to take action on

Experimenting, finding what you’re motivated to actually do

The big goals that we have pursued and continue to act on

Making commitments to others can help move action forward

Vision, goals, and connecting to like-minded people to accomplish goals

Creating the structure to be able to accomplish big dreams

The challenges in our profession that warrant consideration for taking action

A call to action to think about the conversations you’re having and identify actionable steps for creating change

Katie’s acronym for making decisions: BOSS (Bold Objective Selective Strategic)

Finding your big bold vision

Creating your personal mission statement

Looking at logistics (time, energy, timing, etc.)

Saying yes also means saying no

Creating the plan – scheduling tasks, not creating a to do list

The importance of structure and support

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Simon Sinek’s Start With Why
CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)
#therapymovement
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about the difference between talking about what’s wrong and actually doing something about it. Katie shares her BOSS acronym for making decisions and taking action. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Taking action rather than just talking about what needs to change</li>
<li>Identifying what you want to take action on</li>
<li>Experimenting, finding what you’re motivated to actually do</li>
<li>The big goals that we have pursued and continue to act on</li>
<li>Making commitments to others can help move action forward</li>
<li>Vision, goals, and connecting to like-minded people to accomplish goals</li>
<li>Creating the structure to be able to accomplish big dreams</li>
<li>The challenges in our profession that warrant consideration for taking action</li>
<li>A call to action to think about the conversations you’re having and identify actionable steps for creating change</li>
<li>Katie’s acronym for making decisions: BOSS (Bold Objective Selective Strategic)</li>
<li>Finding your big bold vision</li>
<li>Creating your personal mission statement</li>
<li>Looking at logistics (time, energy, timing, etc.)</li>
<li>Saying yes also means saying no</li>
<li>Creating the plan – scheduling tasks, not creating a to do list</li>
<li>The importance of structure and support</li>
</ul><p> Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://startwithwhy.com/">Simon Sinek’s Start With Why</a></p><p><a href="http://camft.org/">CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)</a></p><p>#therapymovement</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a>: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.</p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p>]]>
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      <title>CYA for Court</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/cya-for-court</link>
      <description>An interview with Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW, BCD, Expert Witness aka The Court Chick, on how to prepare for court, what to put in your court policy for your informed consent, and how she created an alternative revenue stream.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW
Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW, BCD is an expert witness as it relates to child abuse, sexual abuse, CPS, family violence and child custody. She worked for CPS for over 11.5 years as an investigator, forensic interviewer and adoptions social worker. Nicol is the founder and director of Kids Court &amp; Counseling Center, 501c3, that helps children prepare for court testimony and appearances if they are victims of crimes, witnesses to crimes, in foster care and/or going through a litigious custody battle where testimony occurs. Nicol is appointed as the court’s expert on family law matters as the designated child custody evaluator.
Nicol also enjoys speaking on the concept of “the permission to succeed and the risk of being happy.” Her book is coming out in 2019 and guess what the title is? “The permission to succeed and the risk of being happy.” Nicol also sells Rodan &amp; Fields as an independent consultant and helps other’s build a business of residual income around their families and their lives. This is a complete departure from her “day job” and it brings her joy and inspiration helping other’s build their own business.
You can find Nicol at www.therapistcourtprep.com and www.nicol.live.     
In this episode we talk about:

Nicol’s story of how and why she became interested in court

How Nicol created Therapist Court Prep

Court Policy to put into Informed Consent

What needs to be discussed at the beginning of treatment related to court, writing letters, etc.

Do NOT ignore your subpoenas

Setting fees for court-related activities (can do flat rate)

Going to court is not our job

Scope of practice, dual relationships related to court-requirements

Do not make a child-custody recommendation unless you are appointed by the court

The importance of getting clear on what you can do as a therapist, counselor, social worker, psychologist

How the therapeutic alliance causes bias in a legal setting

Observation versus Opinion – and how you can get in trouble when you add your opinion into custody cases

Imagine reading letter on the stand to determine what you should be putting in that letter

The threat of a bench warrant when you ignore subpoenas

Litigious times when clients weaponize therapists

Subpoena for records does not mean a treatment summary

When in court, don’t guess – say I don’t know

Don’t try to hide treatment information

How to set court rates, rates for writing letters

The value of preparation when going to court

What to wear for court

Success stories from court

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Zynnyme
Sherry Shockey-Pope and Therapist Practice in a Box
 Evidence Code 730
CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists) Legal Advice
Free Court Letter Cheat Sheet on Therapist Court Prep
Dr. Pamela Harmell
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>CYA for Court</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW, BCD, Expert Witness aka The Court Chick, on how to prepare for court, what to put in your court policy for your informed consent, and how she created an alternative revenue stream.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW
Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW, BCD is an expert witness as it relates to child abuse, sexual abuse, CPS, family violence and child custody. She worked for CPS for over 11.5 years as an investigator, forensic interviewer and adoptions social worker. Nicol is the founder and director of Kids Court &amp; Counseling Center, 501c3, that helps children prepare for court testimony and appearances if they are victims of crimes, witnesses to crimes, in foster care and/or going through a litigious custody battle where testimony occurs. Nicol is appointed as the court’s expert on family law matters as the designated child custody evaluator.
Nicol also enjoys speaking on the concept of “the permission to succeed and the risk of being happy.” Her book is coming out in 2019 and guess what the title is? “The permission to succeed and the risk of being happy.” Nicol also sells Rodan &amp; Fields as an independent consultant and helps other’s build a business of residual income around their families and their lives. This is a complete departure from her “day job” and it brings her joy and inspiration helping other’s build their own business.
You can find Nicol at www.therapistcourtprep.com and www.nicol.live.     
In this episode we talk about:

Nicol’s story of how and why she became interested in court

How Nicol created Therapist Court Prep

Court Policy to put into Informed Consent

What needs to be discussed at the beginning of treatment related to court, writing letters, etc.

Do NOT ignore your subpoenas

Setting fees for court-related activities (can do flat rate)

Going to court is not our job

Scope of practice, dual relationships related to court-requirements

Do not make a child-custody recommendation unless you are appointed by the court

The importance of getting clear on what you can do as a therapist, counselor, social worker, psychologist

How the therapeutic alliance causes bias in a legal setting

Observation versus Opinion – and how you can get in trouble when you add your opinion into custody cases

Imagine reading letter on the stand to determine what you should be putting in that letter

The threat of a bench warrant when you ignore subpoenas

Litigious times when clients weaponize therapists

Subpoena for records does not mean a treatment summary

When in court, don’t guess – say I don’t know

Don’t try to hide treatment information

How to set court rates, rates for writing letters

The value of preparation when going to court

What to wear for court

Success stories from court

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:
Zynnyme
Sherry Shockey-Pope and Therapist Practice in a Box
 Evidence Code 730
CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists) Legal Advice
Free Court Letter Cheat Sheet on Therapist Court Prep
Dr. Pamela Harmell
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW, BCD, Expert Witness aka The Court Chick, on how to prepare for court, what to put in your court policy for your informed consent, and how she created an alternative revenue stream.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW</p><p>Nicol Stolar-Peterson, LCSW, BCD is an expert witness as it relates to child abuse, sexual abuse, CPS, family violence and child custody. She worked for CPS for over 11.5 years as an investigator, forensic interviewer and adoptions social worker. Nicol is the founder and director of Kids Court &amp; Counseling Center, 501c3, that helps children prepare for court testimony and appearances if they are victims of crimes, witnesses to crimes, in foster care and/or going through a litigious custody battle where testimony occurs. Nicol is appointed as the court’s expert on family law matters as the designated child custody evaluator.</p><p>Nicol also enjoys speaking on the concept of “the permission to succeed and the risk of being happy.” Her book is coming out in 2019 and guess what the title is? “The permission to succeed and the risk of being happy.” Nicol also sells Rodan &amp; Fields as an independent consultant and helps other’s build a business of residual income around their families and their lives. This is a complete departure from her “day job” and it brings her joy and inspiration helping other’s build their own business.</p><p>You can find Nicol at <a href="www.therapistcourtprep.com">www.therapistcourtprep.com</a> and <a href="www.nicol.live">www.nicol.live</a>.     </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Nicol’s story of how and why she became interested in court</li>
<li>How Nicol created Therapist Court Prep</li>
<li>Court Policy to put into Informed Consent</li>
<li>What needs to be discussed at the beginning of treatment related to court, writing letters, etc.</li>
<li>Do NOT ignore your subpoenas</li>
<li>Setting fees for court-related activities (can do flat rate)</li>
<li>Going to court is not our job</li>
<li>Scope of practice, dual relationships related to court-requirements</li>
<li>Do not make a child-custody recommendation unless you are appointed by the court</li>
<li>The importance of getting clear on what you can do as a therapist, counselor, social worker, psychologist</li>
<li>How the therapeutic alliance causes bias in a legal setting</li>
<li>Observation versus Opinion – and how you can get in trouble when you add your opinion into custody cases</li>
<li>Imagine reading letter on the stand to determine what you should be putting in that letter</li>
<li>The threat of a bench warrant when you ignore subpoenas</li>
<li>Litigious times when clients weaponize therapists</li>
<li>Subpoena for records does not mean a treatment summary</li>
<li>When in court, don’t guess – say I don’t know</li>
<li>Don’t try to hide treatment information</li>
<li>How to set court rates, rates for writing letters</li>
<li>The value of preparation when going to court</li>
<li>What to wear for court</li>
<li>Success stories from court</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links:</p><p><a href="https://www.zynnyme.com/">Zynnyme</a></p><p>Sherry Shockey-Pope and <a href="http://therapistbox.com/">Therapist Practice in a Box</a></p><p><a href="https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=730.&amp;lawCode=EVID"> Evidence Code 730</a></p><p><a href="http://camft.org/COS/About_CAMFT/CAMFT_Staff.aspx">CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists) Legal Advice</a></p><p>Free Court Letter Cheat Sheet on <a href="https://www.therapistcourtprep.com/">Therapist Court Prep</a></p><p><a href="http://www.drpamelaharmell.com/">Dr. Pamela Harmell</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Modern Therapists Strike Back</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/modern-therapists-strike-back</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about union therapists and a strike in California. We look at antitrust, labor disputes, implications of striking, and how to improve working conditions, treatment, and outcomes.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

A strike by the Union of Health Care Workers at Kaiser Permanente in California

Historical perspective on Kaiser Permanente

Union statement on why they are striking

The Union asks from Kaiser

Our desire to be objective

The ideas that we support: increased mental health access, improved mental health treatment, and positive work environments, fair wages, and sustainable work standards

How union workers increasing wages impacts nonunion clinics

The different perspectives on what the discussion is about and why the strike is happening

How change can happen, what conversations might be happening

Being adversarial, being productive, and when they are mutually exclusive

Things to consider while therapists are striking

The offer for crossing labor lines and why that can be problematic clinically

The current state of Kaiser mental health care and the possibility of what could be

The financial priorities that Kaiser has put on their required improvements

Reflections on how the strikers may be feeling or handling the situation 

Relevant Episodes:
The Burnout System
Addressing the Burnout System
 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Article from San Francisco Examiner
 Statement from National Union of Healthcare Workers
 The Statement from Kaiser
 Saving Psychotherapy by Benjamin E. Caldwell
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Modern Therapists Strike Back</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about union therapists and a strike in California</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about union therapists and a strike in California. We look at antitrust, labor disputes, implications of striking, and how to improve working conditions, treatment, and outcomes.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

A strike by the Union of Health Care Workers at Kaiser Permanente in California

Historical perspective on Kaiser Permanente

Union statement on why they are striking

The Union asks from Kaiser

Our desire to be objective

The ideas that we support: increased mental health access, improved mental health treatment, and positive work environments, fair wages, and sustainable work standards

How union workers increasing wages impacts nonunion clinics

The different perspectives on what the discussion is about and why the strike is happening

How change can happen, what conversations might be happening

Being adversarial, being productive, and when they are mutually exclusive

Things to consider while therapists are striking

The offer for crossing labor lines and why that can be problematic clinically

The current state of Kaiser mental health care and the possibility of what could be

The financial priorities that Kaiser has put on their required improvements

Reflections on how the strikers may be feeling or handling the situation 

Relevant Episodes:
The Burnout System
Addressing the Burnout System
 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Article from San Francisco Examiner
 Statement from National Union of Healthcare Workers
 The Statement from Kaiser
 Saving Psychotherapy by Benjamin E. Caldwell
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about union therapists and a strike in California. We look at antitrust, labor disputes, implications of striking, and how to improve working conditions, treatment, and outcomes.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>A strike by the Union of Health Care Workers at Kaiser Permanente in California</li>
<li>Historical perspective on Kaiser Permanente</li>
<li>Union statement on why they are striking</li>
<li>The Union asks from Kaiser</li>
<li>Our desire to be objective</li>
<li>The ideas that we support: increased mental health access, improved mental health treatment, and positive work environments, fair wages, and sustainable work standards</li>
<li>How union workers increasing wages impacts nonunion clinics</li>
<li>The different perspectives on what the discussion is about and why the strike is happening</li>
<li>How change can happen, what conversations might be happening</li>
<li>Being adversarial, being productive, and when they are mutually exclusive</li>
<li>Things to consider while therapists are striking</li>
<li>The offer for crossing labor lines and why that can be problematic clinically</li>
<li>The current state of Kaiser mental health care and the possibility of what could be</li>
<li>The financial priorities that Kaiser has put on their required improvements</li>
<li>Reflections on how the strikers may be feeling or handling the situation </li>
</ul><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-burnout-system/">The Burnout System</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/addressing-the-burnout-machine/">Addressing the Burnout System</a></p><p> Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.sfexaminer.com/kaiser-mental-health-workers-authorize-five-day-strike/"> Article from San Francisco Examiner</a></p><p><a href="https://nuhw.org/press-release-kaiser-permanente-mental-health-clinicians-in-california-announce-5-day-strike-to-begin-dec-10/"> Statement from National</a> Union of Healthcare Workers</p><p><a href="https://share.kaiserpermanente.org/article/statement-on-strike-by-nuhw/"> The Statement from Kaiser</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BT9XFIO/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&amp;btkr=1"> Saving Psychotherapy by Benjamin E. Caldwell</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a>: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.</p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Millennials and Telehealth</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/millennials-and-telehealth</link>
      <description>An interview with Marquita Johnson, Licensed Professional Counselor and Millennial Dating Coach, on incorporating technology in your clinical work with millennials. We look at tele-mental health and other ways that technology can positively impact therapy.
Interview with Marquita Johnson, LPC, MDiv, NCC, BC-TMH, CPCS
Marquita Johnson is a graduate of Mercer University with a Master of Science in Community Counseling and Master of Divinity. Marquita received her undergraduate degree from Georgia State University in Psychology &amp; Sociology. Currently, Marquita is pursuing a doctoral degree in Counselor Education and Supervision at Walden University. She is a licensed professional counselor, nationally certified counselor, board certified tele-mental counselor, and certified professional counseling supervisor. Marquita’s specialties include women, dating, divorce, step-families, and grief related to loss in relationships. In an effort to promote healthy relationships, Marquita started offering coaching services to help millennials who are dating. While working as a college counselor she found that students were struggling with intrapersonal and interpersonal relationships. Hence, she has embraced the call as Atlanta's "Millennial Dating Coach." Marquita’s private practice is located in the heart of Atlanta: Millennial Counseling, Coaching, and Consulting.  
In this episode we talk about:

Marquita’s work with millennials and how she incorporates technology in sessions

Tele-mental Health

Reasons to incorporate telehealth into treatment

The differences between in-person and telehealth sessions

How to assess and prepare your clients for telehealth

How to engage and use the technology to increase the connection over video

Transitioning between in person and telehealth

The skills needed to assess body language, nonverbals, etc. when you are not getting the in-person experience

Connecting with a client’s presence while online

Making sure to have environment that is free from distractions, that you have a good internet connection, and that you are working on a HIPAA compliant platform

The importance of looking in the camera and how to adjust your communication patterns to address the differences

Consciously talking about how technology will impact the conversation

How to incorporate your theoretical orientation AND technology into your work

The limitations of technology in treatment

When telehealth is not indicated

The need for separate entities for coaching and therapy

The types of continuing education that is helpful to set you up for success

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy
 TeleHealth Certification Institute
Millennial Dating Coach Website
 
Our Generous Sponsor:
Thanks again to our sponsor, Motivo!
Motivo provides clinical supervision online through a HIPAA compliant video platform. Motivo was started by Rachel McCrickard, a LMFT who attended Azusa Pacific University in CA. Rachel had a difficult time finding quality affordable supervision after graduate school. After state licensure boards began allowing online supervision, she became inspired to take action. Therapists are able to search through a directory of quality clinical supervisors, licensed in states throughout the country. Session rates range from only $40-60 per hour.
To find out more, go to www.wearemotivo.com or email hello@wearemotivo.com. You can also call them at 470-231-1256. Mention the Modern Therapist podcast and receive your first session for free.
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Millennials and Telehealth</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Marquita Johnson, LPC</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Marquita Johnson, Licensed Professional Counselor and Millennial Dating Coach, on incorporating technology in your clinical work with millennials. We look at tele-mental health and other ways that technology can positively impact therapy.
Interview with Marquita Johnson, LPC, MDiv, NCC, BC-TMH, CPCS
Marquita Johnson is a graduate of Mercer University with a Master of Science in Community Counseling and Master of Divinity. Marquita received her undergraduate degree from Georgia State University in Psychology &amp; Sociology. Currently, Marquita is pursuing a doctoral degree in Counselor Education and Supervision at Walden University. She is a licensed professional counselor, nationally certified counselor, board certified tele-mental counselor, and certified professional counseling supervisor. Marquita’s specialties include women, dating, divorce, step-families, and grief related to loss in relationships. In an effort to promote healthy relationships, Marquita started offering coaching services to help millennials who are dating. While working as a college counselor she found that students were struggling with intrapersonal and interpersonal relationships. Hence, she has embraced the call as Atlanta's "Millennial Dating Coach." Marquita’s private practice is located in the heart of Atlanta: Millennial Counseling, Coaching, and Consulting.  
In this episode we talk about:

Marquita’s work with millennials and how she incorporates technology in sessions

Tele-mental Health

Reasons to incorporate telehealth into treatment

The differences between in-person and telehealth sessions

How to assess and prepare your clients for telehealth

How to engage and use the technology to increase the connection over video

Transitioning between in person and telehealth

The skills needed to assess body language, nonverbals, etc. when you are not getting the in-person experience

Connecting with a client’s presence while online

Making sure to have environment that is free from distractions, that you have a good internet connection, and that you are working on a HIPAA compliant platform

The importance of looking in the camera and how to adjust your communication patterns to address the differences

Consciously talking about how technology will impact the conversation

How to incorporate your theoretical orientation AND technology into your work

The limitations of technology in treatment

When telehealth is not indicated

The need for separate entities for coaching and therapy

The types of continuing education that is helpful to set you up for success

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy
 TeleHealth Certification Institute
Millennial Dating Coach Website
 
Our Generous Sponsor:
Thanks again to our sponsor, Motivo!
Motivo provides clinical supervision online through a HIPAA compliant video platform. Motivo was started by Rachel McCrickard, a LMFT who attended Azusa Pacific University in CA. Rachel had a difficult time finding quality affordable supervision after graduate school. After state licensure boards began allowing online supervision, she became inspired to take action. Therapists are able to search through a directory of quality clinical supervisors, licensed in states throughout the country. Session rates range from only $40-60 per hour.
To find out more, go to www.wearemotivo.com or email hello@wearemotivo.com. You can also call them at 470-231-1256. Mention the Modern Therapist podcast and receive your first session for free.
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Marquita Johnson, Licensed Professional Counselor and Millennial Dating Coach, on incorporating technology in your clinical work with millennials. We look at tele-mental health and other ways that technology can positively impact therapy.</p><p>Interview with Marquita Johnson, LPC, MDiv, NCC, BC-TMH, CPCS</p><p>Marquita Johnson is a graduate of Mercer University with a Master of Science in Community Counseling and Master of Divinity. Marquita received her undergraduate degree from Georgia State University in Psychology &amp; Sociology. Currently, Marquita is pursuing a doctoral degree in Counselor Education and Supervision at Walden University. She is a licensed professional counselor, nationally certified counselor, board certified tele-mental counselor, and certified professional counseling supervisor. Marquita’s specialties include women, dating, divorce, step-families, and grief related to loss in relationships. In an effort to promote healthy relationships, Marquita started offering coaching services to help millennials who are dating. While working as a college counselor she found that students were struggling with intrapersonal and interpersonal relationships. Hence, she has embraced the call as Atlanta's "Millennial Dating Coach." Marquita’s private practice is located in the heart of Atlanta: Millennial Counseling, Coaching, and Consulting.  </p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Marquita’s work with millennials and how she incorporates technology in sessions</li>
<li>Tele-mental Health</li>
<li>Reasons to incorporate telehealth into treatment</li>
<li>The differences between in-person and telehealth sessions</li>
<li>How to assess and prepare your clients for telehealth</li>
<li>How to engage and use the technology to increase the connection over video</li>
<li>Transitioning between in person and telehealth</li>
<li>The skills needed to assess body language, nonverbals, etc. when you are not getting the in-person experience</li>
<li>Connecting with a client’s presence while online</li>
<li>Making sure to have environment that is free from distractions, that you have a good internet connection, and that you are working on a HIPAA compliant platform</li>
<li>The importance of looking in the camera and how to adjust your communication patterns to address the differences</li>
<li>Consciously talking about how technology will impact the conversation</li>
<li>How to incorporate your theoretical orientation AND technology into your work</li>
<li>The limitations of technology in treatment</li>
<li>When telehealth is not indicated</li>
<li>The need for separate entities for coaching and therapy</li>
<li>The types of continuing education that is helpful to set you up for success</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy</p><p><a href="https://telementalhealthtraining.com/"> TeleHealth Certification Institute</a></p><p><a href="http://millennialdatingcoach.com/">Millennial Dating Coach Website</a></p><p> </p><p>Our Generous Sponsor:</p><p>Thanks again to our sponsor, Motivo!</p><p>Motivo provides clinical supervision online through a HIPAA compliant video platform. Motivo was started by Rachel McCrickard, a LMFT who attended Azusa Pacific University in CA. Rachel had a difficult time finding quality affordable supervision after graduate school. After state licensure boards began allowing online supervision, she became inspired to take action. Therapists are able to search through a directory of quality clinical supervisors, licensed in states throughout the country. Session rates range from only $40-60 per hour.</p><p>To find out more, go to <a href="http://www.wearemotivo.com">www.wearemotivo.com</a> or email <a href="mailto:hello@wearemotivo.com">hello@wearemotivo.com</a>. You can also call them at 470-231-1256. Mention the Modern Therapist podcast and receive your first session for free.</p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Clinical Versus Business Decisions</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/clinical-versus-business-decisions</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how to make sure that you are making decisions that respect clinical and business principles AND meet the requirements for laws and ethics.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Treatment strategies that are based on evidence-based practices, that may need extra information up front to avoid seeming coercive to families (i.e., required sessions, frequency or length of treatment)

The importance of defining the unit of treatment in the initial assessment

What needs to happen in the conversations with the clients

What is the treatment need?

How treatment orientation can impact business decisions

What limits you can set related to requirements for parents in treatment for children

Addressing treatment within the therapeutic alliance, in the treatment planning process, rather than holding to business parameters that go unaddressed clinically

Consciously discussing boundaries and compliance with treatment model, not allowing for clinical drift or an unacknowledged broken frame

The fear of challenging clients, fear of losing income

Looking at whether you can provide the level of treatment required

Whether we should be as flexible as our clients

Balancing our needs with the needs of our clients looking at both clinical and business reasons to determine how flexible to be

Bad clinical decisions that are based on business inflexibility

You don’t want business policies to overshadow the clinical decisions and clinical efficacy

Setting pricing strategies – doing bulk pricing or monthly pricing can get very complex and there are a lot of legal and ethical considerations

When we must sacrifice for our clients and when we can hold the boundaries

Separating assessment from treatment

Referring to treatment teams

The importance of good consultation to help talk through cases

The ethics codes do not require that you keep a client indefinitely

Ethical termination and referral options

Relevant Episodes:
Managing Client Cancellations
Asking for Money
Ending Therapy
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Angela Caldwell, MFT at the Self-Injury Institute
 DBT
 
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:30:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Clinical Versus Business Decisions</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how to make sure your practices are sound from a business AND a clinical angle</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how to make sure that you are making decisions that respect clinical and business principles AND meet the requirements for laws and ethics.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Treatment strategies that are based on evidence-based practices, that may need extra information up front to avoid seeming coercive to families (i.e., required sessions, frequency or length of treatment)

The importance of defining the unit of treatment in the initial assessment

What needs to happen in the conversations with the clients

What is the treatment need?

How treatment orientation can impact business decisions

What limits you can set related to requirements for parents in treatment for children

Addressing treatment within the therapeutic alliance, in the treatment planning process, rather than holding to business parameters that go unaddressed clinically

Consciously discussing boundaries and compliance with treatment model, not allowing for clinical drift or an unacknowledged broken frame

The fear of challenging clients, fear of losing income

Looking at whether you can provide the level of treatment required

Whether we should be as flexible as our clients

Balancing our needs with the needs of our clients looking at both clinical and business reasons to determine how flexible to be

Bad clinical decisions that are based on business inflexibility

You don’t want business policies to overshadow the clinical decisions and clinical efficacy

Setting pricing strategies – doing bulk pricing or monthly pricing can get very complex and there are a lot of legal and ethical considerations

When we must sacrifice for our clients and when we can hold the boundaries

Separating assessment from treatment

Referring to treatment teams

The importance of good consultation to help talk through cases

The ethics codes do not require that you keep a client indefinitely

Ethical termination and referral options

Relevant Episodes:
Managing Client Cancellations
Asking for Money
Ending Therapy
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Angela Caldwell, MFT at the Self-Injury Institute
 DBT
 
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how to make sure that you are making decisions that respect clinical and business principles AND meet the requirements for laws and ethics.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Treatment strategies that are based on evidence-based practices, that may need extra information up front to avoid seeming coercive to families (i.e., required sessions, frequency or length of treatment)</li>
<li>The importance of defining the unit of treatment in the initial assessment</li>
<li>What needs to happen in the conversations with the clients</li>
<li>What is the treatment need?</li>
<li>How treatment orientation can impact business decisions</li>
<li>What limits you can set related to requirements for parents in treatment for children</li>
<li>Addressing treatment within the therapeutic alliance, in the treatment planning process, rather than holding to business parameters that go unaddressed clinically</li>
<li>Consciously discussing boundaries and compliance with treatment model, not allowing for clinical drift or an unacknowledged broken frame</li>
<li>The fear of challenging clients, fear of losing income</li>
<li>Looking at whether you can provide the level of treatment required</li>
<li>Whether we should be as flexible as our clients</li>
<li>Balancing our needs with the needs of our clients looking at both clinical and business reasons to determine how flexible to be</li>
<li>Bad clinical decisions that are based on business inflexibility</li>
<li>You don’t want business policies to overshadow the clinical decisions and clinical efficacy</li>
<li>Setting pricing strategies – doing bulk pricing or monthly pricing can get very complex and there are a lot of legal and ethical considerations</li>
<li>When we must sacrifice for our clients and when we can hold the boundaries</li>
<li>Separating assessment from treatment</li>
<li>Referring to treatment teams</li>
<li>The importance of good consultation to help talk through cases</li>
<li>The ethics codes do not require that you keep a client indefinitely</li>
<li>Ethical termination and referral options</li>
</ul><p>Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/managing-client-cancellations/">Managing Client Cancellations</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/asking-for-money/">Asking for Money</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/ending-therapy/">Ending Therapy</a></p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://selfinjuryinstitute.com/"> Angela Caldwell, MFT at the Self-Injury Institute</a></p><p><a href="https://behavioraltech.org/resources/faqs/dialectical-behavior-therapy-dbt/"> DBT</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a>: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.</p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Clinician AND Entrepreneur</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/clinician-and-entrepreneur</link>
      <description>Clinician AND Entrepreneur: An interview with Jo Muirhead
An interview with Jo Muirhead, chief life changer and business coach, on how self-promotion positively impacts your clinical work. We also talk about how therapists need to invest in their business training to be a successful entrepreneur.
Interview with Jo Muirhead
Jo is Uber passionate about private practice. You should see the video on her home page of her website. She loves to empower clinicians to build profitable and sustainable businesses through doing more of the work they love, the way they love to do it (www.jomuirhead.com).
In this episode we talk about:

Jo’s story of being told she couldn’t build her business and doing it anyway

Being an entrepreneur and thinking bigger than what is in front of you, thinking ahead of your clients

The tendency for therapists to follow “the rules” to their detriment

What an entrepreneurial clinician means

Self-promotion and marketing

How professional organizations and ethical codes are behind the times related to self-promotion

The tendency of people to judge others in the FB groups

Getting in the head and the heart of your client, so you can give them something of value

What we miss in the therapeutic relationship when we stay too clinical

How consumers have changed since the dawn of the internet

The differences across countries related to practicing therapy

The importance of understanding what is going on in the world and how it impacts what you can do as an entrepreneur

Looking at the code of conduct or ethics code to determine how you behave as a professional

How therapists get in their own way by only “investing” in the free stuff to learn business

What to do when you don’t know what you don’t know

The trouble with jumping too early into alternative revenue streams

Managing expectations around what you can make and how to set up your business

The difference between alternative revenue streams and marketing tools

The most harmful myths that have been put out there about entrepreneurship

How so many people access information and don’t implement it

The shocking truth that not everyone needs to be in private practice

Working out what works best for you

Investing money AND time in building your business

What you should invest in first, when building a private practice

Getting clarity on who you are, what you do well, and how you move forward

Jo’s pushing against the “7-Step System” models that so many coaches use

Jo’s best advice for therapists wanting to become entrepreneurial clinicians

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy
This is Private Practice
Jo on Facebook
The Entrepreneurial Clinician by Jo Muirhead
PURPLE CO
jomuirhead.com
Previous Episodes Mentioned:
The Brand Called You
 
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Clinician AND Entrepreneur: An interview with Jo Muirhead</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Jo Muirhead, chief life changer and business coach on how self-promotion positively impacts your clinical work</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Clinician AND Entrepreneur: An interview with Jo Muirhead
An interview with Jo Muirhead, chief life changer and business coach, on how self-promotion positively impacts your clinical work. We also talk about how therapists need to invest in their business training to be a successful entrepreneur.
Interview with Jo Muirhead
Jo is Uber passionate about private practice. You should see the video on her home page of her website. She loves to empower clinicians to build profitable and sustainable businesses through doing more of the work they love, the way they love to do it (www.jomuirhead.com).
In this episode we talk about:

Jo’s story of being told she couldn’t build her business and doing it anyway

Being an entrepreneur and thinking bigger than what is in front of you, thinking ahead of your clients

The tendency for therapists to follow “the rules” to their detriment

What an entrepreneurial clinician means

Self-promotion and marketing

How professional organizations and ethical codes are behind the times related to self-promotion

The tendency of people to judge others in the FB groups

Getting in the head and the heart of your client, so you can give them something of value

What we miss in the therapeutic relationship when we stay too clinical

How consumers have changed since the dawn of the internet

The differences across countries related to practicing therapy

The importance of understanding what is going on in the world and how it impacts what you can do as an entrepreneur

Looking at the code of conduct or ethics code to determine how you behave as a professional

How therapists get in their own way by only “investing” in the free stuff to learn business

What to do when you don’t know what you don’t know

The trouble with jumping too early into alternative revenue streams

Managing expectations around what you can make and how to set up your business

The difference between alternative revenue streams and marketing tools

The most harmful myths that have been put out there about entrepreneurship

How so many people access information and don’t implement it

The shocking truth that not everyone needs to be in private practice

Working out what works best for you

Investing money AND time in building your business

What you should invest in first, when building a private practice

Getting clarity on who you are, what you do well, and how you move forward

Jo’s pushing against the “7-Step System” models that so many coaches use

Jo’s best advice for therapists wanting to become entrepreneurial clinicians

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy
This is Private Practice
Jo on Facebook
The Entrepreneurial Clinician by Jo Muirhead
PURPLE CO
jomuirhead.com
Previous Episodes Mentioned:
The Brand Called You
 
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<h1>Clinician AND Entrepreneur: An interview with Jo Muirhead</h1><p>An interview with Jo Muirhead, chief life changer and business coach, on how self-promotion positively impacts your clinical work. We also talk about how therapists need to invest in their business training to be a successful entrepreneur.</p><p>Interview with Jo Muirhead</p><p>Jo is Uber passionate about private practice. You should see the video on her home page of her website. She loves to empower clinicians to build profitable and sustainable businesses through doing more of the work they love, the way they love to do it (<a href="www.jomuirhead.com">www.jomuirhead.com</a>).</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Jo’s story of being told she couldn’t build her business and doing it anyway</li>
<li>Being an entrepreneur and thinking bigger than what is in front of you, thinking ahead of your clients</li>
<li>The tendency for therapists to follow “the rules” to their detriment</li>
<li>What an entrepreneurial clinician means</li>
<li>Self-promotion and marketing</li>
<li>How professional organizations and ethical codes are behind the times related to self-promotion</li>
<li>The tendency of people to judge others in the FB groups</li>
<li>Getting in the head and the heart of your client, so you can give them something of value</li>
<li>What we miss in the therapeutic relationship when we stay too clinical</li>
<li>How consumers have changed since the dawn of the internet</li>
<li>The differences across countries related to practicing therapy</li>
<li>The importance of understanding what is going on in the world and how it impacts what you can do as an entrepreneur</li>
<li>Looking at the code of conduct or ethics code to determine how you behave as a professional</li>
<li>How therapists get in their own way by only “investing” in the free stuff to learn business</li>
<li>What to do when you don’t know what you don’t know</li>
<li>The trouble with jumping too early into alternative revenue streams</li>
<li>Managing expectations around what you can make and how to set up your business</li>
<li>The difference between alternative revenue streams and marketing tools</li>
<li>The most harmful myths that have been put out there about entrepreneurship</li>
<li>How so many people access information and don’t implement it</li>
<li>The shocking truth that not everyone needs to be in private practice</li>
<li>Working out what works best for you</li>
<li>Investing money AND time in building your business</li>
<li>What you should invest in first, when building a private practice</li>
<li>Getting clarity on who you are, what you do well, and how you move forward</li>
<li>Jo’s pushing against the “7-Step System” models that so many coaches use</li>
<li>Jo’s best advice for therapists wanting to become entrepreneurial clinicians</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/JoMuirheadTV/videos">This is Private Practice</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/jo.muirhead/">Jo on Facebook</a></p><p><a href="http://jomuirhead.com/book/">The Entrepreneurial Clinician</a> by Jo Muirhead</p><p><a href="http://purpleco.com.au/">PURPLE CO</a></p><p><a href="http://jomuirhead.com/">jomuirhead.com</a></p><p>Previous Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-brand-called-you/">The Brand Called You</a></p><p> </p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Agency and School Drama</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/agency-and-school-drama</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how to handle the drama that can happen at your work or school setting. We talk about when to take action and when it is more important to manage the logistics and protect your reputation and employability.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

What to do when your agency or your program closes out or there is DRAMA

How it works within a school program that closes

Making decisions when you have to face this type of crisis

Making sure to get information to help you with your decision making

Balancing supporting your peers and taking care of yourself

How to do due diligence to move forward

Understanding the motivations of all parties involved

Looking out for your own best interest

Navigating and understanding the rumor mill

Understanding how rumors, drama, etc., can impact you personally

Sorting through when you should stand up and advocate and when you keep your head down

Creating an exit plan

Reputation management

The problem with getting frozen

The caution required when you decide to stand up for someone else (especially when you don’t have all the information)

Choosing your battles

Protecting your own reputation and employability

Managing your resume

How the way you talk about what has happened will reflect on you

Making sure to remain professional

Discussing the reasons that Curt and Katie work for themselves

Identifying when you can live with the drama and when you need to move on

Handling logistics to take care of your needs

Assessing what is worth it

 
Relevant Episodes
Toxic Work Environments
 Interview Strategies for Therapists
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Agency and School Drama</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how to handle the drama that can happen at your work or school setting</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how to handle the drama that can happen at your work or school setting. We talk about when to take action and when it is more important to manage the logistics and protect your reputation and employability.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

What to do when your agency or your program closes out or there is DRAMA

How it works within a school program that closes

Making decisions when you have to face this type of crisis

Making sure to get information to help you with your decision making

Balancing supporting your peers and taking care of yourself

How to do due diligence to move forward

Understanding the motivations of all parties involved

Looking out for your own best interest

Navigating and understanding the rumor mill

Understanding how rumors, drama, etc., can impact you personally

Sorting through when you should stand up and advocate and when you keep your head down

Creating an exit plan

Reputation management

The problem with getting frozen

The caution required when you decide to stand up for someone else (especially when you don’t have all the information)

Choosing your battles

Protecting your own reputation and employability

Managing your resume

How the way you talk about what has happened will reflect on you

Making sure to remain professional

Discussing the reasons that Curt and Katie work for themselves

Identifying when you can live with the drama and when you need to move on

Handling logistics to take care of your needs

Assessing what is worth it

 
Relevant Episodes
Toxic Work Environments
 Interview Strategies for Therapists
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how to handle the drama that can happen at your work or school setting. We talk about when to take action and when it is more important to manage the logistics and protect your reputation and employability.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>What to do when your agency or your program closes out or there is DRAMA</li>
<li>How it works within a school program that closes</li>
<li>Making decisions when you have to face this type of crisis</li>
<li>Making sure to get information to help you with your decision making</li>
<li>Balancing supporting your peers and taking care of yourself</li>
<li>How to do due diligence to move forward</li>
<li>Understanding the motivations of all parties involved</li>
<li>Looking out for your own best interest</li>
<li>Navigating and understanding the rumor mill</li>
<li>Understanding how rumors, drama, etc., can impact you personally</li>
<li>Sorting through when you should stand up and advocate and when you keep your head down</li>
<li>Creating an exit plan</li>
<li>Reputation management</li>
<li>The problem with getting frozen</li>
<li>The caution required when you decide to stand up for someone else (especially when you don’t have all the information)</li>
<li>Choosing your battles</li>
<li>Protecting your own reputation and employability</li>
<li>Managing your resume</li>
<li>How the way you talk about what has happened will reflect on you</li>
<li>Making sure to remain professional</li>
<li>Discussing the reasons that Curt and Katie work for themselves</li>
<li>Identifying when you can live with the drama and when you need to move on</li>
<li>Handling logistics to take care of your needs</li>
<li>Assessing what is worth it</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Relevant Episodes</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/toxic-work-environments/">Toxic Work Environments</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/interview-strategies-for-therapists/"> Interview Strategies for Therapists</a></p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a>: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.</p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> </p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Vulnerability, The News, and You</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/vulnerability-the-news-and-you</link>
      <description>Interview with Dr. Abigail Weissman
Abigail (“Abi”) Weissman is a California clinical psychologist, earning her doctorate in Clinical Psychology (PSY 27497) with a dissertation on helping psychologists to be supporting, respectful, and effective with their transgender Jewish clients. She holds a Master of Arts in Human Sexuality studies that focused on femme lesbian identity and completed a Certificate in Sex Education. She serves as a Member At Large – Professional Practice, of the Board of Directors of the San Diego Psychological Association. She is also the Chair of the LGBT Committee for the San Diego Psychological Association. A self-proclaimed “super queer” she loves to empower others, especially those who wish they could be their full queer, transgender, religious, liberal, activist, polyamorous, and/or kink selves, but hold themselves back because they are scared they will be unloved, unemployed, and rejected by their loved ones and communities. Abi provides individual and group therapy for LGBTQIQAP-identified clients as well as training for other professionals on how to be more LGBTQIQAP-affirming in clinical practice and in business. Her pronouns are she, her hers. You can learn more about Abi and her group practice Waves, A Psychological Corporation, at www.wavespsych.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Vulnerability during the recent events as a member of impacted, marginalized communities

Abi’s comfort level with talking about being Jewish, queer, lesbian, trans (or “trans-esque” in her parlance)

How she decides how to present herself, how she tells her story, her level of safety

How Abi “leans in” whenever she feels unsafe – how sharing who she is first, makes her feel safer

Civil and social justice advocacy as a therapist

Her hesitation to talk about LGBTQ as a single community and the problem with “lumping” them all together. The importance of hearing all the different, unique perspectives.

Sitting as a leader in your therapy room and feeling vulnerable as the events in society impact you personally

Holding hope for therapy clients as well as for society, and grieving for her own losses and feeling her own fears and her own despair

Reflecting on the Pittsburgh Tree of Life synagogue shooting as well as reactions to the memo seeking to make gender binary – both how Abi is reacting personally and what she is hearing (and not hearing) from her clients

Where Abi is finding her hope, healing, and getting her support

The ways that antisemitism still shows up in daily life (even in small ways)

Having to choose how she shows up as an activist with these intersectional needs that aren’t respected

How thoughtful she is about where she lives and what she stands up and does for her community

What therapists often get wrong related to LGBTQ

The frequent problem of othering people within the therapist community who happen to be LGBTQ

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Waves, A Psychological Corporation: www.wavespsych.com
Abi’s availability for consultation: https://www.wavespsych.com/contact
The book Abi was talking about related to bringing ancestors into the room:  Native American Postcolonial Psychology By Eduardo Duran, Bonnie Duran
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 </description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Vulnerability, The News, and You</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Abigail Weissman, a psychologist and self-proclaimed “super queer” </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Interview with Dr. Abigail Weissman
Abigail (“Abi”) Weissman is a California clinical psychologist, earning her doctorate in Clinical Psychology (PSY 27497) with a dissertation on helping psychologists to be supporting, respectful, and effective with their transgender Jewish clients. She holds a Master of Arts in Human Sexuality studies that focused on femme lesbian identity and completed a Certificate in Sex Education. She serves as a Member At Large – Professional Practice, of the Board of Directors of the San Diego Psychological Association. She is also the Chair of the LGBT Committee for the San Diego Psychological Association. A self-proclaimed “super queer” she loves to empower others, especially those who wish they could be their full queer, transgender, religious, liberal, activist, polyamorous, and/or kink selves, but hold themselves back because they are scared they will be unloved, unemployed, and rejected by their loved ones and communities. Abi provides individual and group therapy for LGBTQIQAP-identified clients as well as training for other professionals on how to be more LGBTQIQAP-affirming in clinical practice and in business. Her pronouns are she, her hers. You can learn more about Abi and her group practice Waves, A Psychological Corporation, at www.wavespsych.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Vulnerability during the recent events as a member of impacted, marginalized communities

Abi’s comfort level with talking about being Jewish, queer, lesbian, trans (or “trans-esque” in her parlance)

How she decides how to present herself, how she tells her story, her level of safety

How Abi “leans in” whenever she feels unsafe – how sharing who she is first, makes her feel safer

Civil and social justice advocacy as a therapist

Her hesitation to talk about LGBTQ as a single community and the problem with “lumping” them all together. The importance of hearing all the different, unique perspectives.

Sitting as a leader in your therapy room and feeling vulnerable as the events in society impact you personally

Holding hope for therapy clients as well as for society, and grieving for her own losses and feeling her own fears and her own despair

Reflecting on the Pittsburgh Tree of Life synagogue shooting as well as reactions to the memo seeking to make gender binary – both how Abi is reacting personally and what she is hearing (and not hearing) from her clients

Where Abi is finding her hope, healing, and getting her support

The ways that antisemitism still shows up in daily life (even in small ways)

Having to choose how she shows up as an activist with these intersectional needs that aren’t respected

How thoughtful she is about where she lives and what she stands up and does for her community

What therapists often get wrong related to LGBTQ

The frequent problem of othering people within the therapist community who happen to be LGBTQ

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Waves, A Psychological Corporation: www.wavespsych.com
Abi’s availability for consultation: https://www.wavespsych.com/contact
The book Abi was talking about related to bringing ancestors into the room:  Native American Postcolonial Psychology By Eduardo Duran, Bonnie Duran
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>Interview with Dr. Abigail Weissman</p><p>Abigail (“Abi”) Weissman is a California clinical psychologist, earning her doctorate in Clinical Psychology (PSY 27497) with a dissertation on helping psychologists to be supporting, respectful, and effective with their transgender Jewish clients. She holds a Master of Arts in Human Sexuality studies that focused on femme lesbian identity and completed a Certificate in Sex Education. She serves as a Member At Large – Professional Practice, of the Board of Directors of the San Diego Psychological Association. She is also the Chair of the LGBT Committee for the San Diego Psychological Association. A self-proclaimed “super queer” she loves to empower others, especially those who wish they could be their full queer, transgender, religious, liberal, activist, polyamorous, and/or kink selves, but hold themselves back because they are scared they will be unloved, unemployed, and rejected by their loved ones and communities. Abi provides individual and group therapy for LGBTQIQAP-identified clients as well as training for other professionals on how to be more LGBTQIQAP-affirming in clinical practice and in business. Her pronouns are she, her hers. You can learn more about Abi and her group practice Waves, A Psychological Corporation, at <a href="http://www.wavespsych.com">www.wavespsych.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Vulnerability during the recent events as a member of impacted, marginalized communities</li>
<li>Abi’s comfort level with talking about being Jewish, queer, lesbian, trans (or “trans-esque” in her parlance)</li>
<li>How she decides how to present herself, how she tells her story, her level of safety</li>
<li>How Abi “leans in” whenever she feels unsafe – how sharing who she is first, makes her feel safer</li>
<li>Civil and social justice advocacy as a therapist</li>
<li>Her hesitation to talk about LGBTQ as a single community and the problem with “lumping” them all together. The importance of hearing all the different, unique perspectives.</li>
<li>Sitting as a leader in your therapy room and feeling vulnerable as the events in society impact you personally</li>
<li>Holding hope for therapy clients as well as for society, and grieving for her own losses and feeling her own fears and her own despair</li>
<li>Reflecting on the Pittsburgh Tree of Life synagogue shooting as well as reactions to the memo seeking to make gender binary – both how Abi is reacting personally and what she is hearing (and not hearing) from her clients</li>
<li>Where Abi is finding her hope, healing, and getting her support</li>
<li>The ways that antisemitism still shows up in daily life (even in small ways)</li>
<li>Having to choose how she shows up as an activist with these intersectional needs that aren’t respected</li>
<li>How thoughtful she is about where she lives and what she stands up and does for her community</li>
<li>What therapists often get wrong related to LGBTQ</li>
<li>The frequent problem of othering people within the therapist community who happen to be LGBTQ</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Waves, A Psychological Corporation: <a href="http://www.wavespsych.com">www.wavespsych.com</a></p><p>Abi’s availability for consultation: <a href="https://www.wavespsych.com/contact">https://www.wavespsych.com/contact</a></p><p>The book Abi was talking about related to bringing ancestors into the room: <a href="http://www.sunypress.edu/p-2058-native-american-postcolonial-ps.aspx"> Native American Postcolonial Psychology By Eduardo Duran, Bonnie Duran</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Ending Therapy</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/ending-therapy</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about termination of treatment, both when it is planned and when it is unplanned. We look at best practices, challenges, and how to handle it the best way you can.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

When to start talking about termination during treatment

Setting expectations for the end of treatment

How to address client’s instinct to “ghost” from treatment

Normalizing the different paths to ending treatment

Different reasons that you may not be able to complete treatment

Planning ahead to diminish negative impacts of abrupt terminations that are out of your control

Providing referrals, closure, and understanding that even that doesn’t always create positive outcomes

The elements of a positive termination

Managing expectations of what health and healing are and what would qualify someone to finish treatment

Highlighting strengths and progress as well as on-going goals and challenges

Acknowledging the relationship you’ve had with the client

Processing your own response to the termination

What to look at and learn when your client abruptly terminates

Requesting termination sessions when someone decides to end suddenly – things to consider

What to do when your client ghosts you

Closing the client’s chart

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Ending Therapy</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about termination of treatment</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about termination of treatment, both when it is planned and when it is unplanned. We look at best practices, challenges, and how to handle it the best way you can.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

When to start talking about termination during treatment

Setting expectations for the end of treatment

How to address client’s instinct to “ghost” from treatment

Normalizing the different paths to ending treatment

Different reasons that you may not be able to complete treatment

Planning ahead to diminish negative impacts of abrupt terminations that are out of your control

Providing referrals, closure, and understanding that even that doesn’t always create positive outcomes

The elements of a positive termination

Managing expectations of what health and healing are and what would qualify someone to finish treatment

Highlighting strengths and progress as well as on-going goals and challenges

Acknowledging the relationship you’ve had with the client

Processing your own response to the termination

What to look at and learn when your client abruptly terminates

Requesting termination sessions when someone decides to end suddenly – things to consider

What to do when your client ghosts you

Closing the client’s chart

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Therapy Reimagined 2019: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about termination of treatment, both when it is planned and when it is unplanned. We look at best practices, challenges, and how to handle it the best way you can.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>When to start talking about termination during treatment</li>
<li>Setting expectations for the end of treatment</li>
<li>How to address client’s instinct to “ghost” from treatment</li>
<li>Normalizing the different paths to ending treatment</li>
<li>Different reasons that you may not be able to complete treatment</li>
<li>Planning ahead to diminish negative impacts of abrupt terminations that are out of your control</li>
<li>Providing referrals, closure, and understanding that even that doesn’t always create positive outcomes</li>
<li>The elements of a positive termination</li>
<li>Managing expectations of what health and healing are and what would qualify someone to finish treatment</li>
<li>Highlighting strengths and progress as well as on-going goals and challenges</li>
<li>Acknowledging the relationship you’ve had with the client</li>
<li>Processing your own response to the termination</li>
<li>What to look at and learn when your client abruptly terminates</li>
<li>Requesting termination sessions when someone decides to end suddenly – things to consider</li>
<li>What to do when your client ghosts you</li>
<li>Closing the client’s chart</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">Therapy Reimagined 2019</a>: Sign up here to get notified when the details are released.</p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>21st Century Divorce</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/21st-century-divorce</link>
      <description>An interview with family law attorney Laura A. Wasser, Esq. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about the process of divorce, collaboration among professionals, and the creation of her online divorce mediation platform, it’s over easy.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Laura A. Wasser, Esq. C.E.O. of it’s over easy &amp; Host of The Divorce Sucks! Podcast
Attorney Laura Allison Wasser is an author, entrepreneur, and Family Law expert. She is the founder and Chief Executive Officer of the online divorce platform, it’s over easy. Laura has represented celebrities like Kim Kardashian, Ryan Reynolds, Angelina Jolie, Jimmy Iovine, Maria Shriver, and Stevie Wonder, but she maintains that divorce is the great equalizer—it terrifies everyone. Laura’s made it her mission to change that by creating it’s over easy, which gives divorcing couples an easy to use resource to dissolve their marriage that is accessible (and affordable) to everyone.
In this episode we talk about:

Laura’s background in Family Law, her book It Doesn’t Have to Be That Way

How Laura perceives the importing distinctions between being an empathic “divorce” lawyer and being a therapist

How people can navigate through divorce by yourselves, without needing to bring in a divorce attorney

The different mechanisms to get a divorce and how to decide which referral to make

How Laura collaborates with therapists and decides to refer to therapists

The importance of handling divorce well for moving forward in your life

Her opinions on how to help families get through the process

Boundaries that attorneys should set within their work

Her referral network, how she develops her referral network

The turn off of therapists talking too much about their own experiences

Reminding ourselves that we are being observed by those who we are collaborating with

The shock of mental health providers breaking confidentiality with her

How she launched her product out to the market (online divorce platform)

Her logic on how she created the platform, with all the pieces considered

The flak she got from some other attorneys

Connecting divorcing individuals to all the resources they need to move through the process effectively

Addressing the broken, clogged up court system

How to create closure when getting divorced

The power of helping people get the knowledge they need

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 It Doesn’t Have to be That Way: How to Divorce Without Destroying Your Family or Bankrupting Yourself  by Laura Wasser
it’s over easy
it’s over easy blog:  Co-Parenting with an Asshole

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>21st Century Divorce: An Interview with Laura A. Wasser, Esq.</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>An interview with family law attorney Laura A. Wasser, Esq. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about the process of divorce, collaboration among professionals, and the creation of her online divorce mediation platform, it’s over easy.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Laura A. Wasser, Esq. C.E.O. of it’s over easy &amp; Host of The Divorce Sucks! Podcast
Attorney Laura Allison Wasser is an author, entrepreneur, and Family Law expert. She is the founder and Chief Executive Officer of the online divorce platform, it’s over easy. Laura has represented celebrities like Kim Kardashian, Ryan Reynolds, Angelina Jolie, Jimmy Iovine, Maria Shriver, and Stevie Wonder, but she maintains that divorce is the great equalizer—it terrifies everyone. Laura’s made it her mission to change that by creating it’s over easy, which gives divorcing couples an easy to use resource to dissolve their marriage that is accessible (and affordable) to everyone.
In this episode we talk about:

Laura’s background in Family Law, her book It Doesn’t Have to Be That Way

How Laura perceives the importing distinctions between being an empathic “divorce” lawyer and being a therapist

How people can navigate through divorce by yourselves, without needing to bring in a divorce attorney

The different mechanisms to get a divorce and how to decide which referral to make

How Laura collaborates with therapists and decides to refer to therapists

The importance of handling divorce well for moving forward in your life

Her opinions on how to help families get through the process

Boundaries that attorneys should set within their work

Her referral network, how she develops her referral network

The turn off of therapists talking too much about their own experiences

Reminding ourselves that we are being observed by those who we are collaborating with

The shock of mental health providers breaking confidentiality with her

How she launched her product out to the market (online divorce platform)

Her logic on how she created the platform, with all the pieces considered

The flak she got from some other attorneys

Connecting divorcing individuals to all the resources they need to move through the process effectively

Addressing the broken, clogged up court system

How to create closure when getting divorced

The power of helping people get the knowledge they need

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 It Doesn’t Have to be That Way: How to Divorce Without Destroying Your Family or Bankrupting Yourself  by Laura Wasser
it’s over easy
it’s over easy blog:  Co-Parenting with an Asshole

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with family law attorney Laura A. Wasser, Esq. Curt and Katie talk with Laura about the process of divorce, collaboration among professionals, and the creation of her online divorce mediation platform, it’s over easy.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Laura A. Wasser, Esq. C.E.O. of it’s over easy &amp; Host of The Divorce Sucks! Podcast</p><p>Attorney Laura Allison Wasser is an author, entrepreneur, and Family Law expert. She is the founder and Chief Executive Officer of the online divorce platform, it’s over easy. Laura has represented celebrities like Kim Kardashian, Ryan Reynolds, Angelina Jolie, Jimmy Iovine, Maria Shriver, and Stevie Wonder, but she maintains that divorce is the great equalizer—it terrifies everyone. Laura’s made it her mission to change that by creating it’s over easy, which gives divorcing couples an easy to use resource to dissolve their marriage that is accessible (and affordable) to everyone.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Laura’s background in Family Law, her book It Doesn’t Have to Be That Way</li>
<li>How Laura perceives the importing distinctions between being an empathic “divorce” lawyer and being a therapist</li>
<li>How people can navigate through divorce by yourselves, without needing to bring in a divorce attorney</li>
<li>The different mechanisms to get a divorce and how to decide which referral to make</li>
<li>How Laura collaborates with therapists and decides to refer to therapists</li>
<li>The importance of handling divorce well for moving forward in your life</li>
<li>Her opinions on how to help families get through the process</li>
<li>Boundaries that attorneys should set within their work</li>
<li>Her referral network, how she develops her referral network</li>
<li>The turn off of therapists talking too much about their own experiences</li>
<li>Reminding ourselves that we are being observed by those who we are collaborating with</li>
<li>The shock of mental health providers breaking confidentiality with her</li>
<li>How she launched her product out to the market (online divorce platform)</li>
<li>Her logic on how she created the platform, with all the pieces considered</li>
<li>The flak she got from some other attorneys</li>
<li>Connecting divorcing individuals to all the resources they need to move through the process effectively</li>
<li>Addressing the broken, clogged up court system</li>
<li>How to create closure when getting divorced</li>
<li>The power of helping people get the knowledge they need</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00CQY9F3G/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g6819362396?_encoding=UTF8&amp;btkr=1&amp;ie=UTF8"><em> It Doesn’t Have to be That Way: How to Divorce Without Destroying Your Family or Bankrupting Yourself</em></a> <em> </em>by Laura Wasser</p><p><a href="https://www.itsovereasy.com/">it’s over easy</a></p><p>it’s over easy blog: <a href="https://www.itsovereasy.com/insights/co-parenting-asshole-someone-things-much-differently"> Co-Parenting with an Asshole</a></p><p><br></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>So You Want to Plan a Conference</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/so-you-want-to-plan-a-conference</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the ups and downs of planning Therapy Reimagined 2018. We share tips and tricks for planning an event as well as things we’re going to do differently next year.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Reflecting on Therapy Reimagined 2018

The importance of planning ahead

Creating time and space to do something extra

How to create buzz and excitement throughout a long event

Messaging and marketing

The importance of creating a cohesive marketing plan from the beginning

The loss of creativity and perspective when you are super busy and overwhelmed

Delegating when something grows bigger than you can manage on your own

The danger of burnout when working TOO much, even when you are doing something you love

Taking care of the details and creating templates for the next year

Event planning and negotiating with the venue – knowing what you don’t know

Planning ahead – not just creating stuff to use now, but actually making templates and structures that are repeatable

Getting and supporting sponsors

Creating relationships and leveraging them to grow the movement

Being very clear with the information that sponsors, speakers, and exhibitors can and should share, and when. How important it is to be specific.

Being directive, respectful, and specific on how people can help and participate

Understanding that we packed WAY TOO MUCH into 2 days

Thinking through your whole schedule from the participants’ perspective

Making sure you put forward clear instructions for your participants

The challenge we had with continuing education sign in and certificates (#fail)

How to vet speakers, working with them earlier in the process, the details that are important

Taking care of the technological aspects of presenting multiple speakers

Looking at it as a production, versus an “educational event”

Getting feedback from everyone who attended to improve (our deliberate practice)

Announcing the tentative plans for Therapy Reimagined 2019

How to incorporate feedback and criticism into future decision-making, and how important it is to be responsive

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Katie Read Katie Write
#therapymovement
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
 
Relevant Previous Episodes:
Own Your Awesome Business (with Kelly Higdon)
The Burnout System
Addressing The Burnout System
 
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>So You Want to Plan a Conference: Curt and Katie talk about the ups and downs of planning Therapy Reimagined 2018</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the ups and downs of planning Therapy Reimagined 2018</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the ups and downs of planning Therapy Reimagined 2018. We share tips and tricks for planning an event as well as things we’re going to do differently next year.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Reflecting on Therapy Reimagined 2018

The importance of planning ahead

Creating time and space to do something extra

How to create buzz and excitement throughout a long event

Messaging and marketing

The importance of creating a cohesive marketing plan from the beginning

The loss of creativity and perspective when you are super busy and overwhelmed

Delegating when something grows bigger than you can manage on your own

The danger of burnout when working TOO much, even when you are doing something you love

Taking care of the details and creating templates for the next year

Event planning and negotiating with the venue – knowing what you don’t know

Planning ahead – not just creating stuff to use now, but actually making templates and structures that are repeatable

Getting and supporting sponsors

Creating relationships and leveraging them to grow the movement

Being very clear with the information that sponsors, speakers, and exhibitors can and should share, and when. How important it is to be specific.

Being directive, respectful, and specific on how people can help and participate

Understanding that we packed WAY TOO MUCH into 2 days

Thinking through your whole schedule from the participants’ perspective

Making sure you put forward clear instructions for your participants

The challenge we had with continuing education sign in and certificates (#fail)

How to vet speakers, working with them earlier in the process, the details that are important

Taking care of the technological aspects of presenting multiple speakers

Looking at it as a production, versus an “educational event”

Getting feedback from everyone who attended to improve (our deliberate practice)

Announcing the tentative plans for Therapy Reimagined 2019

How to incorporate feedback and criticism into future decision-making, and how important it is to be responsive

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Katie Read Katie Write
#therapymovement
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
 
Relevant Previous Episodes:
Own Your Awesome Business (with Kelly Higdon)
The Burnout System
Addressing The Burnout System
 
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about the ups and downs of planning Therapy Reimagined 2018. We share tips and tricks for planning an event as well as things we’re going to do differently next year.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Reflecting on Therapy Reimagined 2018</li>
<li>The importance of planning ahead</li>
<li>Creating time and space to do something extra</li>
<li>How to create buzz and excitement throughout a long event</li>
<li>Messaging and marketing</li>
<li>The importance of creating a cohesive marketing plan from the beginning</li>
<li>The loss of creativity and perspective when you are super busy and overwhelmed</li>
<li>Delegating when something grows bigger than you can manage on your own</li>
<li>The danger of burnout when working TOO much, even when you are doing something you love</li>
<li>Taking care of the details and creating templates for the next year</li>
<li>Event planning and negotiating with the venue – knowing what you don’t know</li>
<li>Planning ahead – not just creating stuff to use now, but actually making templates and structures that are repeatable</li>
<li>Getting and supporting sponsors</li>
<li>Creating relationships and leveraging them to grow the movement</li>
<li>Being very clear with the information that sponsors, speakers, and exhibitors can and should share, and when. How important it is to be specific.</li>
<li>Being directive, respectful, and specific on how people can help and participate</li>
<li>Understanding that we packed WAY TOO MUCH into 2 days</li>
<li>Thinking through your whole schedule from the participants’ perspective</li>
<li>Making sure you put forward clear instructions for your participants</li>
<li>The challenge we had with continuing education sign in and certificates (#fail)</li>
<li>How to vet speakers, working with them earlier in the process, the details that are important</li>
<li>Taking care of the technological aspects of presenting multiple speakers</li>
<li>Looking at it as a production, versus an “educational event”</li>
<li>Getting feedback from everyone who attended to improve (our deliberate practice)</li>
<li>Announcing the tentative plans for Therapy Reimagined 2019</li>
<li>How to incorporate feedback and criticism into future decision-making, and how important it is to be responsive</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://katiereadkatiewrite.com/">Katie Read Katie Write</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=%23therapymovement">#therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant Previous Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/own-your-awesome-business/">Own Your Awesome Business (with Kelly Higdon)</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-burnout-system/">The Burnout System</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/addressing-the-burnout-machine/">Addressing The Burnout System</a></p><p> </p><p>Our event this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> </p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Busting Insurance Myths</title>
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      <description>An interview with Barbara Griswold, LMFT – Curt and Katie talk with Barbara about what it is really like to have an insurance-based private practice. We look at the common myths and strategies to navigate taking insurance.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Barbara Griswold, MFT, practice consultant, and author
Barbara Griswold, MFT, is a practice consultant and the author of Navigating the Insurance Maze: The Therapist's Complete Guide to Working with Insurance -- And Whether You Should (www.theinsurancemaze.com), now in the newly-updated seventh edition.  She invites therapists to contact her through her website to get answers to insurance questions, for practice-building support, and to subscribe to her free monthly e-newsletter to keep abreast of the ever-changing world of insurance.  In private practice in San Jose, California, Barbara has been interviewed on NPR's “Morning Edition," and her articles have appeared in Psychotherapy Networker and The Therapist magazines.  She is a past member of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapist’s State Ethics Committee and Board of Directors, and former Oral Licensing Examiner for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences.
In this episode we talk about:

The impressions that we often have about taking insurance

Why to take insurance: Accessibility of services, full practice with a waitlist without a waitlist, trade off on costs and fees taken

The small marketing steps needed to maximize insurance practices: provider directories, website

Expanding your practice beyond wealthy clients – increasing diversity and accessibility, capacity for long-term therapy

Taking insurance without selling your soul

Barbara never makes a clinical decision based on insurance

Sorting through the common myths about taking insurance

What makes you appealing to insurance panels

Requirements for getting onto panels

The online “filing cabinet” for applying for insurance – CAQH

The importance of niche and specialization – even for insurance

Strategies for pointing out your value to insurance panels

Learning what the contracted fee is on an insurance panel and how to negotiate up front

How to ask insurance panels for a raise

The real truth about the paperwork

Improving reimbursement rates and timeline to be paid

Using an insurance biller

What to do when insurance panels say they are not accepting new providers in your area

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)
CAQH
Navigating the Insurance Maze: The Therapist's Complete Guide to Working with Insurance -- And Whether You Should (www.theinsurancemaze.com)
Office Ally
 Barbara’s Insurance Billers Referral List
Barbara’s Webinar on Progress Notes

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Busting Insurance Myths: An interview with Barbara Griswold, LMFT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Barbara Griswold, LMFT about navigating an insurance based practice</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Barbara Griswold, LMFT – Curt and Katie talk with Barbara about what it is really like to have an insurance-based private practice. We look at the common myths and strategies to navigate taking insurance.   
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Barbara Griswold, MFT, practice consultant, and author
Barbara Griswold, MFT, is a practice consultant and the author of Navigating the Insurance Maze: The Therapist's Complete Guide to Working with Insurance -- And Whether You Should (www.theinsurancemaze.com), now in the newly-updated seventh edition.  She invites therapists to contact her through her website to get answers to insurance questions, for practice-building support, and to subscribe to her free monthly e-newsletter to keep abreast of the ever-changing world of insurance.  In private practice in San Jose, California, Barbara has been interviewed on NPR's “Morning Edition," and her articles have appeared in Psychotherapy Networker and The Therapist magazines.  She is a past member of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapist’s State Ethics Committee and Board of Directors, and former Oral Licensing Examiner for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences.
In this episode we talk about:

The impressions that we often have about taking insurance

Why to take insurance: Accessibility of services, full practice with a waitlist without a waitlist, trade off on costs and fees taken

The small marketing steps needed to maximize insurance practices: provider directories, website

Expanding your practice beyond wealthy clients – increasing diversity and accessibility, capacity for long-term therapy

Taking insurance without selling your soul

Barbara never makes a clinical decision based on insurance

Sorting through the common myths about taking insurance

What makes you appealing to insurance panels

Requirements for getting onto panels

The online “filing cabinet” for applying for insurance – CAQH

The importance of niche and specialization – even for insurance

Strategies for pointing out your value to insurance panels

Learning what the contracted fee is on an insurance panel and how to negotiate up front

How to ask insurance panels for a raise

The real truth about the paperwork

Improving reimbursement rates and timeline to be paid

Using an insurance biller

What to do when insurance panels say they are not accepting new providers in your area

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)
CAQH
Navigating the Insurance Maze: The Therapist's Complete Guide to Working with Insurance -- And Whether You Should (www.theinsurancemaze.com)
Office Ally
 Barbara’s Insurance Billers Referral List
Barbara’s Webinar on Progress Notes

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Barbara Griswold, LMFT – Curt and Katie talk with Barbara about what it is really like to have an insurance-based private practice. We look at the common myths and strategies to navigate taking insurance.   </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Barbara Griswold, MFT, practice consultant, and author</p><p>Barbara Griswold, MFT, is a practice consultant and the author of <em>Navigating the Insurance Maze: The Therapist's Complete Guide to Working with Insurance -- And Whether You Should</em> (<a href="http://www.theinsurancemaze.com/">www.theinsurancemaze.com</a>), now in the newly-updated seventh edition.  She invites therapists to contact her through her website to get answers to insurance questions, for practice-building support, and to subscribe to her free monthly e-newsletter to keep abreast of the ever-changing world of insurance.  In private practice in San Jose, California, Barbara has been interviewed on NPR's “Morning Edition," and her articles have appeared in Psychotherapy Networker and The Therapist magazines.  She is a past member of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapist’s State Ethics Committee and Board of Directors, and former Oral Licensing Examiner for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The impressions that we often have about taking insurance</li>
<li>Why to take insurance: Accessibility of services, full practice with a waitlist without a waitlist, trade off on costs and fees taken</li>
<li>The small marketing steps needed to maximize insurance practices: provider directories, website</li>
<li>Expanding your practice beyond wealthy clients – increasing diversity and accessibility, capacity for long-term therapy</li>
<li>Taking insurance without selling your soul</li>
<li>Barbara never makes a clinical decision based on insurance</li>
<li>Sorting through the common myths about taking insurance</li>
<li>What makes you appealing to insurance panels</li>
<li>Requirements for getting onto panels</li>
<li>The online “filing cabinet” for applying for insurance – CAQH</li>
<li>The importance of niche and specialization – even for insurance</li>
<li>Strategies for pointing out your value to insurance panels</li>
<li>Learning what the contracted fee is on an insurance panel and how to negotiate up front</li>
<li>How to ask insurance panels for a raise</li>
<li>The real truth about the paperwork</li>
<li>Improving reimbursement rates and timeline to be paid</li>
<li>Using an insurance biller</li>
<li>What to do when insurance panels say they are not accepting new providers in your area</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="camft.org">CAMFT</a> (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)</p><p><a href="https://www.caqh.org/">CAQH</a></p><p><em>Navigating the Insurance Maze: The Therapist's Complete Guide to Working with Insurance -- And Whether You Should</em> (<a href="http://www.theinsurancemaze.com/">www.theinsurancemaze.com</a>)</p><p><a href="https://cms.officeally.com/Pages/Products/Clearinghouse.aspx">Office Ally</a></p><p><a href="https://navigatingtheinsurancemaze.com/product/billing-service-referral-list/"> Barbara’s Insurance Billers Referral List</a></p><p><a href="https://navigatingtheinsurancemaze.com/product/notes/">Barbara’s Webinar on Progress Notes</a></p><p><br></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Addressing the Burnout Machine</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/addressing-the-burnout-machine</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about taking personal responsibility to decrease the impacts of the “Burnout Machine” that is the mental health profession. We look at what should go into an ideal work place and actions each of us can take to improve our own situation as well as the system as a whole. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Looking at how to create better systems for mental health workplaces

Magical places that could provide adequate pay, training, and emotionally-focused supervision

The importance of incorporating the appropriate employee support into budgets

Employee engagement versus turnover

The need for larger conversations with stakeholders to improve things systemically

Sorting through the challenges and benefits of efficiency and productivity

Looking at training supervisors

The faulty notion that therapy isn’t about the therapist

The need for the business or administrative aspects – we can’t get rid of them.

Employee, employer, or entrepreneur skills are required for the system to work

Balancing the focus on the clinician as a member of the system, a professional, and as an individual

The risks of human connection within an employment situation

The benefits of exploring the emotions and human connection on professional development, client outcomes

Looking at the expectations around supervision that are described in graduate school

Addressing the parallel process within the supervisor/supervisee and therapist/client

The power differential in becoming a supervisor and navigating the relationship

Knowing ourselves at all developmental stages

The impact of “Supervision of Supervision” groups

The unfortunate scenario where people are rushing to licensure without meeting their developmental stages

Being able to support prelicensees’ primary needs of survival (providing financial stability) so they can slow down and take care of their developmental stages

How to set up a career that works for you

How to identify opportunities to move the profession forward

Assessing your own capacities to improve your career and the profession

The problem of being cynical and complaining about the system instead of taking action

Taking a personal look and personal responsibility for your career</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Addressing the Burnout Machine: Curt and Katie talk about taking personal responsibility</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/ba02f6c2-690e-11ed-9001-33d5a51ff622/image/Episode_73.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about taking personal responsibility to decrease the impacts of the “Burnout Machine” that is the mental health profession</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about taking personal responsibility to decrease the impacts of the “Burnout Machine” that is the mental health profession. We look at what should go into an ideal work place and actions each of us can take to improve our own situation as well as the system as a whole. 
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Looking at how to create better systems for mental health workplaces

Magical places that could provide adequate pay, training, and emotionally-focused supervision

The importance of incorporating the appropriate employee support into budgets

Employee engagement versus turnover

The need for larger conversations with stakeholders to improve things systemically

Sorting through the challenges and benefits of efficiency and productivity

Looking at training supervisors

The faulty notion that therapy isn’t about the therapist

The need for the business or administrative aspects – we can’t get rid of them.

Employee, employer, or entrepreneur skills are required for the system to work

Balancing the focus on the clinician as a member of the system, a professional, and as an individual

The risks of human connection within an employment situation

The benefits of exploring the emotions and human connection on professional development, client outcomes

Looking at the expectations around supervision that are described in graduate school

Addressing the parallel process within the supervisor/supervisee and therapist/client

The power differential in becoming a supervisor and navigating the relationship

Knowing ourselves at all developmental stages

The impact of “Supervision of Supervision” groups

The unfortunate scenario where people are rushing to licensure without meeting their developmental stages

Being able to support prelicensees’ primary needs of survival (providing financial stability) so they can slow down and take care of their developmental stages

How to set up a career that works for you

How to identify opportunities to move the profession forward

Assessing your own capacities to improve your career and the profession

The problem of being cynical and complaining about the system instead of taking action

Taking a personal look and personal responsibility for your career</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about taking personal responsibility to decrease the impacts of the “Burnout Machine” that is the mental health profession. We look at what should go into an ideal work place and actions each of us can take to improve our own situation as well as the system as a whole. </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Looking at how to create better systems for mental health workplaces</li>
<li>Magical places that could provide adequate pay, training, and emotionally-focused supervision</li>
<li>The importance of incorporating the appropriate employee support into budgets</li>
<li>Employee engagement versus turnover</li>
<li>The need for larger conversations with stakeholders to improve things systemically</li>
<li>Sorting through the challenges and benefits of efficiency and productivity</li>
<li>Looking at training supervisors</li>
<li>The faulty notion that therapy isn’t about the therapist</li>
<li>The need for the business or administrative aspects – we can’t get rid of them.</li>
<li>Employee, employer, or entrepreneur skills are required for the system to work</li>
<li>Balancing the focus on the clinician as a member of the system, a professional, and as an individual</li>
<li>The risks of human connection within an employment situation</li>
<li>The benefits of exploring the emotions and human connection on professional development, client outcomes</li>
<li>Looking at the expectations around supervision that are described in graduate school</li>
<li>Addressing the parallel process within the supervisor/supervisee and therapist/client</li>
<li>The power differential in becoming a supervisor and navigating the relationship</li>
<li>Knowing ourselves at all developmental stages</li>
<li>The impact of “Supervision of Supervision” groups</li>
<li>The unfortunate scenario where people are rushing to licensure without meeting their developmental stages</li>
<li>Being able to support prelicensees’ primary needs of survival (providing financial stability) so they can slow down and take care of their developmental stages</li>
<li>How to set up a career that works for you</li>
<li>How to identify opportunities to move the profession forward</li>
<li>Assessing your own capacities to improve your career and the profession</li>
<li>The problem of being cynical and complaining about the system instead of taking action</li>
<li>Taking a personal look and personal responsibility for your career</li>
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      <title>The Burnout System</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-burnout-system</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about how the mental health system is set up to lead to burnout. We look at how therapists typically develop over their careers and how educational, licensing, regulation, and business factors can get in the way of this development.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The shift from therapist development focus to a focus on client-care

Sacrificial Helping Syndrome, Compassion Fatigue, and Burnout

The systemic problems that lead to burnout (education, licensing, regulation, business practices)

The impact of the economy on therapists being able to meet their developmental milestones

The standard developmental stages of therapists

The typical challenges of each stage and how a broken system can make these challenges even harder (or impossible) to navigate

Some of the educational or licensing requirements that seem to go against how people best learn and develop

The challenge of constantly being in crisis (whether it is about getting hours timely, financial strain, or working with clients with high risk) and trying to become a therapist

How the people around us while we are learning impacts how we develop as therapists

The struggle to set up a positive learning environment when you’re starting out as a therapist

The most important time of training (prelicensed years, especially the first 70 hours) being plagued with high productivity and clients with high risk, which lead to moving quickly, not becoming stronger clinicians

The reasons to slow down your prelicensed years for training and personal development and the challenges in doing so

The aspects of training that would be ideal (and seem almost magical and impossible)

Recovery-oriented training, crisis management, trauma-informed systems

The possibilities for improving public mental health and other workplaces to provide a better environment to start and grow as a clinician

EFT-Based Supervision as a good standard

The conversations that we need to have with stakeholders across the system to work toward change</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Burnout System: Curt and Katie talk about how to mental health system is set up to lead to burnout</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how the mental health system is set up to lead to burnout</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about how the mental health system is set up to lead to burnout. We look at how therapists typically develop over their careers and how educational, licensing, regulation, and business factors can get in the way of this development.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The shift from therapist development focus to a focus on client-care

Sacrificial Helping Syndrome, Compassion Fatigue, and Burnout

The systemic problems that lead to burnout (education, licensing, regulation, business practices)

The impact of the economy on therapists being able to meet their developmental milestones

The standard developmental stages of therapists

The typical challenges of each stage and how a broken system can make these challenges even harder (or impossible) to navigate

Some of the educational or licensing requirements that seem to go against how people best learn and develop

The challenge of constantly being in crisis (whether it is about getting hours timely, financial strain, or working with clients with high risk) and trying to become a therapist

How the people around us while we are learning impacts how we develop as therapists

The struggle to set up a positive learning environment when you’re starting out as a therapist

The most important time of training (prelicensed years, especially the first 70 hours) being plagued with high productivity and clients with high risk, which lead to moving quickly, not becoming stronger clinicians

The reasons to slow down your prelicensed years for training and personal development and the challenges in doing so

The aspects of training that would be ideal (and seem almost magical and impossible)

Recovery-oriented training, crisis management, trauma-informed systems

The possibilities for improving public mental health and other workplaces to provide a better environment to start and grow as a clinician

EFT-Based Supervision as a good standard

The conversations that we need to have with stakeholders across the system to work toward change</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about how the mental health system is set up to lead to burnout. We look at how therapists typically develop over their careers and how educational, licensing, regulation, and business factors can get in the way of this development.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The shift from therapist development focus to a focus on client-care</li>
<li>Sacrificial Helping Syndrome, Compassion Fatigue, and Burnout</li>
<li>The systemic problems that lead to burnout (education, licensing, regulation, business practices)</li>
<li>The impact of the economy on therapists being able to meet their developmental milestones</li>
<li>The standard developmental stages of therapists</li>
<li>The typical challenges of each stage and how a broken system can make these challenges even harder (or impossible) to navigate</li>
<li>Some of the educational or licensing requirements that seem to go against how people best learn and develop</li>
<li>The challenge of constantly being in crisis (whether it is about getting hours timely, financial strain, or working with clients with high risk) and trying to become a therapist</li>
<li>How the people around us while we are learning impacts how we develop as therapists</li>
<li>The struggle to set up a positive learning environment when you’re starting out as a therapist</li>
<li>The most important time of training (prelicensed years, especially the first 70 hours) being plagued with high productivity and clients with high risk, which lead to moving quickly, not becoming stronger clinicians</li>
<li>The reasons to slow down your prelicensed years for training and personal development and the challenges in doing so</li>
<li>The aspects of training that would be ideal (and seem almost magical and impossible)</li>
<li>Recovery-oriented training, crisis management, trauma-informed systems</li>
<li>The possibilities for improving public mental health and other workplaces to provide a better environment to start and grow as a clinician</li>
<li>EFT-Based Supervision as a good standard</li>
<li>The conversations that we need to have with stakeholders across the system to work toward change</li>
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      <title>The Neuroscience of Stress</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-neuroscience-of-stress</link>
      <description>A LIVE interview with Celisa Flores, Psy.D. – Curt and Katie talk with Celisa about what stress does to you and your body and what therapists can do to take better care of their bodies, their brains, and their mental health. Celisa also delves into burnout AND the benefits of yoga and meditation.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Celisa Flores, Psy.D.
Since obtaining a master’s degree in Counseling in 2007 at CSU Fresno and a PsyD in Clinical Psychology from The Chicago School of Professional Psychology in 2013, Dr. Flores worked as a therapist in a wide variety of mental health treatment settings, with emphasis on Eating Disorders, Mindfulness and women’s issues. Now proudly with Center for Discovery, providing clinical outreach for Ventura County and the Central California region.
With a history of providing individual, group, family, and couples counseling services, as well as therapeutic yoga services, Dr. Flores has focused on evidence-based practices, providing guidance and support in Mindfulness in Recovery, Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT), and other self-empowerment strategies. In addition to training as a therapist, she is a Certified Yoga Teacher, also trained in Mindful Stress Reduction. By integrating a variety of holistic tools into recovery and wellness, she works to create a long-lasting, sustainable wellness plan.
Dr. Flores also provides consultation, teaching and training for students, professionals, and community groups, which have included youth conferences, the CSU school systems, international speaking and NASA. In effort to support other therapists and community members with understanding eating disorders and treatment, she is always open to consider future speaking and training opportunities.
In this episode we talk about:

How (and why) our bodies store trauma

The use of yoga (both poses and principles)

How the fight or flight response (when we don’t fight or flee) impacts our bodies

How our brain has evolved, and how we respond to stressors that are not literally life or death.

Yoga – joining body and breath – to calm the fight or flight nervous system

The importance of the breath in how we feel

Diaphragmatic breathing

The importance of getting out of a narrow view AND in getting out of Fight or Flight in order to be best able to support our clients

Approachable strategies that make small moments of self-care possible

Distress tolerance corners (and activities that are especially good for distress tolerance)

Proactively planning for self-care and distress tolerance coping

What the real consequences of poor self-care are (including rapid aging and current dangers)

Some yoga stretches that you can use in your office (and Curt’s desire to be a yoga therapist)

How to remind yourself that yourself to self-care and how to hold yourself accountable

How meditation changes your brain and how to make it approachable

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk
 When by Daniel Pink
Gabor Mate
Find Celisa online: her website Linked In 
Her email: celisa.flores@centerfordiscovery.com
Previous Episode mentioned:
Being Truly Mindful</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Neuroscience of Stress: A LIVE interview with Celisa Flores, Psy.D.</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle> A LIVE interview with Celisa Flores, Psy.D.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>A LIVE interview with Celisa Flores, Psy.D. – Curt and Katie talk with Celisa about what stress does to you and your body and what therapists can do to take better care of their bodies, their brains, and their mental health. Celisa also delves into burnout AND the benefits of yoga and meditation.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Celisa Flores, Psy.D.
Since obtaining a master’s degree in Counseling in 2007 at CSU Fresno and a PsyD in Clinical Psychology from The Chicago School of Professional Psychology in 2013, Dr. Flores worked as a therapist in a wide variety of mental health treatment settings, with emphasis on Eating Disorders, Mindfulness and women’s issues. Now proudly with Center for Discovery, providing clinical outreach for Ventura County and the Central California region.
With a history of providing individual, group, family, and couples counseling services, as well as therapeutic yoga services, Dr. Flores has focused on evidence-based practices, providing guidance and support in Mindfulness in Recovery, Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT), and other self-empowerment strategies. In addition to training as a therapist, she is a Certified Yoga Teacher, also trained in Mindful Stress Reduction. By integrating a variety of holistic tools into recovery and wellness, she works to create a long-lasting, sustainable wellness plan.
Dr. Flores also provides consultation, teaching and training for students, professionals, and community groups, which have included youth conferences, the CSU school systems, international speaking and NASA. In effort to support other therapists and community members with understanding eating disorders and treatment, she is always open to consider future speaking and training opportunities.
In this episode we talk about:

How (and why) our bodies store trauma

The use of yoga (both poses and principles)

How the fight or flight response (when we don’t fight or flee) impacts our bodies

How our brain has evolved, and how we respond to stressors that are not literally life or death.

Yoga – joining body and breath – to calm the fight or flight nervous system

The importance of the breath in how we feel

Diaphragmatic breathing

The importance of getting out of a narrow view AND in getting out of Fight or Flight in order to be best able to support our clients

Approachable strategies that make small moments of self-care possible

Distress tolerance corners (and activities that are especially good for distress tolerance)

Proactively planning for self-care and distress tolerance coping

What the real consequences of poor self-care are (including rapid aging and current dangers)

Some yoga stretches that you can use in your office (and Curt’s desire to be a yoga therapist)

How to remind yourself that yourself to self-care and how to hold yourself accountable

How meditation changes your brain and how to make it approachable

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk
 When by Daniel Pink
Gabor Mate
Find Celisa online: her website Linked In 
Her email: celisa.flores@centerfordiscovery.com
Previous Episode mentioned:
Being Truly Mindful</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>A LIVE interview with Celisa Flores, Psy.D. – Curt and Katie talk with Celisa about what stress does to you and your body and what therapists can do to take better care of their bodies, their brains, and their mental health. Celisa also delves into burnout AND the benefits of yoga and meditation.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Celisa Flores, Psy.D.</p><p>Since obtaining a master’s degree in Counseling in 2007 at CSU Fresno and a PsyD in Clinical Psychology from The Chicago School of Professional Psychology in 2013, Dr. Flores worked as a therapist in a wide variety of mental health treatment settings, with emphasis on Eating Disorders, Mindfulness and women’s issues. Now proudly with Center for Discovery, providing clinical outreach for Ventura County and the Central California region.</p><p>With a history of providing individual, group, family, and couples counseling services, as well as therapeutic yoga services, Dr. Flores has focused on evidence-based practices, providing guidance and support in Mindfulness in Recovery, Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT), and other self-empowerment strategies. In addition to training as a therapist, she is a Certified Yoga Teacher, also trained in Mindful Stress Reduction. By integrating a variety of holistic tools into recovery and wellness, she works to create a long-lasting, sustainable wellness plan.</p><p>Dr. Flores also provides consultation, teaching and training for students, professionals, and community groups, which have included youth conferences, the CSU school systems, international speaking and NASA. In effort to support other therapists and community members with understanding eating disorders and treatment, she is always open to consider future speaking and training opportunities.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How (and why) our bodies store trauma</li>
<li>The use of yoga (both poses and principles)</li>
<li>How the fight or flight response (when we don’t fight or flee) impacts our bodies</li>
<li>How our brain has evolved, and how we respond to stressors that are not literally life or death.</li>
<li>Yoga – joining body and breath – to calm the fight or flight nervous system</li>
<li>The importance of the breath in how we feel</li>
<li>Diaphragmatic breathing</li>
<li>The importance of getting out of a narrow view AND in getting out of Fight or Flight in order to be best able to support our clients</li>
<li>Approachable strategies that make small moments of self-care possible</li>
<li>Distress tolerance corners (and activities that are especially good for distress tolerance)</li>
<li>Proactively planning for self-care and distress tolerance coping</li>
<li>What the real consequences of poor self-care are (including rapid aging and current dangers)</li>
<li>Some yoga stretches that you can use in your office (and Curt’s desire to be a yoga therapist)</li>
<li>How to remind yourself that yourself to self-care and how to hold yourself accountable</li>
<li>How meditation changes your brain and how to make it approachable</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma-ebook/dp/B00G3L1C2K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1537057541&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=the+body+keeps+the+score"> The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/When-Scientific-Secrets-Perfect-Timing-ebook/dp/B072Q985YX/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1537058394&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=when+by+daniel+pink"> When by Daniel Pink</a></p><p><a href="https://drgabormate.com/">Gabor Mate</a></p><p>Find Celisa online: <a href="http://drcelisaflores.yolasite.com/">her website</a> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/celisa-flores-psyd-a24b0061/">Linked In</a> </p><p>Her email: celisa.flores@centerfordiscovery.com</p><p>Previous Episode mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/being-truly-mindful/">Being Truly Mindful</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Therapy is DOPE</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapy-is-dope</link>
      <description>An interview with Eboni Harris, Co-Founder of Melanin and Mental Health – Curt and Katie talk with Eboni about people of color, both clients and clinicians, and what therapists often get wrong about cultural competence, continuing education, and the uncomfortable conversations we need to be having to decrease mental health stigma, racism, and ignorance.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Eboni Harris, LPC, LMFT
Eboni Harris is a licensed relationship therapist, co-founder of Melanin and Mental Health™, Founder of Room for Relations and host of Room for Relations: Sex and Relationship Podcast. Through her education she has learned the skills and techniques to help individuals and couples love better, stronger and longer. Through life she has learned that taking care of yourself is the best thing you can do for you and the ones you love. Her goal is to help adults communicate with clarity and honesty, love with passion and intention and teach their little ones the value of boundaries, compassion and trust.
In this episode we talk about:

Eboni’s story and how she came to co-found Melanin and Mental Health

Connecting therapists of color to help decrease mental health stigma and improve the quality of clinical care for people of color

Creating a directory for clinicians of color

Psychology Today’s lack of ethnic diversity on their magazine

How it feels to be leading a movement, especially when people don’t get it

The Melanin and Mental Health tag line: Therapy is Dope When You Have a Dope Therapist.

The types of training and conversations that need to happen to support the increasingly diverse population of clients

Cultural humility and cultural competence

What therapists get wrong when working cross culturally

The damage done when clinicians dismiss race as a factor

Lack of understanding of cultural, ethnic, gender identity and impacts on life and in the therapy room

Micro-aggressions that can even happen in treatment

The problem with referring out all clients of different ethnicities

The institutional concerns within the mental health profession that provide obstacles both for clients entering treatment as well as clinicians entering the profession

Mental Health Access and the complexity of hiring clinicians or finding therapists who are culturally competent

The role that fear and ignorance that can lead to poor interventions

Responding as a human being, not a member of the establishment (calling the police, CPS, etc.)

Understanding how passive ignorance can be a bigger problem than overt racism

Using privilege and access to help solve the problem and be an ally.

What needs to change in our profession to better support people of color

Understanding healing with a more diverse lens.

The importance of understanding your biases

Uncomfortable conversations that lead to positive change

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Melanin and Mental Health™
 Petition to demand more diversity from Psychology Today Magazine</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapy is DOPE: An interview with Eboni Harris, Co-founder of Melanin and Mental Health</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Eboni Harris, Co-Founder of Melanin and Mental Health </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Eboni Harris, Co-Founder of Melanin and Mental Health – Curt and Katie talk with Eboni about people of color, both clients and clinicians, and what therapists often get wrong about cultural competence, continuing education, and the uncomfortable conversations we need to be having to decrease mental health stigma, racism, and ignorance.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Eboni Harris, LPC, LMFT
Eboni Harris is a licensed relationship therapist, co-founder of Melanin and Mental Health™, Founder of Room for Relations and host of Room for Relations: Sex and Relationship Podcast. Through her education she has learned the skills and techniques to help individuals and couples love better, stronger and longer. Through life she has learned that taking care of yourself is the best thing you can do for you and the ones you love. Her goal is to help adults communicate with clarity and honesty, love with passion and intention and teach their little ones the value of boundaries, compassion and trust.
In this episode we talk about:

Eboni’s story and how she came to co-found Melanin and Mental Health

Connecting therapists of color to help decrease mental health stigma and improve the quality of clinical care for people of color

Creating a directory for clinicians of color

Psychology Today’s lack of ethnic diversity on their magazine

How it feels to be leading a movement, especially when people don’t get it

The Melanin and Mental Health tag line: Therapy is Dope When You Have a Dope Therapist.

The types of training and conversations that need to happen to support the increasingly diverse population of clients

Cultural humility and cultural competence

What therapists get wrong when working cross culturally

The damage done when clinicians dismiss race as a factor

Lack of understanding of cultural, ethnic, gender identity and impacts on life and in the therapy room

Micro-aggressions that can even happen in treatment

The problem with referring out all clients of different ethnicities

The institutional concerns within the mental health profession that provide obstacles both for clients entering treatment as well as clinicians entering the profession

Mental Health Access and the complexity of hiring clinicians or finding therapists who are culturally competent

The role that fear and ignorance that can lead to poor interventions

Responding as a human being, not a member of the establishment (calling the police, CPS, etc.)

Understanding how passive ignorance can be a bigger problem than overt racism

Using privilege and access to help solve the problem and be an ally.

What needs to change in our profession to better support people of color

Understanding healing with a more diverse lens.

The importance of understanding your biases

Uncomfortable conversations that lead to positive change

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Melanin and Mental Health™
 Petition to demand more diversity from Psychology Today Magazine</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Eboni Harris, Co-Founder of Melanin and Mental Health – Curt and Katie talk with Eboni about people of color, both clients and clinicians, and what therapists often get wrong about cultural competence, continuing education, and the uncomfortable conversations we need to be having to decrease mental health stigma, racism, and ignorance.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Eboni Harris, LPC, LMFT</p><p><a href="http://www.eboniharris.com/">Eboni Harris</a> is a licensed relationship therapist, co-founder of <a href="http://www.melaninandmentalhealth.com/">Melanin and Mental Health</a>™, Founder of <a href="http://roomforrelations.com/">Room for Relations</a> and host of Room for Relations: Sex and Relationship Podcast. Through her education she has learned the skills and techniques to help individuals and couples love better, stronger and longer. Through life she has learned that taking care of yourself is the best thing you can do for you and the ones you love. Her goal is to help adults communicate with clarity and honesty, love with passion and intention and teach their little ones the value of boundaries, compassion and trust.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Eboni’s story and how she came to co-found Melanin and Mental Health</li>
<li>Connecting therapists of color to help decrease mental health stigma and improve the quality of clinical care for people of color</li>
<li>Creating a directory for clinicians of color</li>
<li>Psychology Today’s lack of ethnic diversity on their magazine</li>
<li>How it feels to be leading a movement, especially when people don’t get it</li>
<li>The Melanin and Mental Health tag line: Therapy is Dope When You Have a Dope Therapist.</li>
<li>The types of training and conversations that need to happen to support the increasingly diverse population of clients</li>
<li>Cultural humility and cultural competence</li>
<li>What therapists get wrong when working cross culturally</li>
<li>The damage done when clinicians dismiss race as a factor</li>
<li>Lack of understanding of cultural, ethnic, gender identity and impacts on life and in the therapy room</li>
<li>Micro-aggressions that can even happen in treatment</li>
<li>The problem with referring out all clients of different ethnicities</li>
<li>The institutional concerns within the mental health profession that provide obstacles both for clients entering treatment as well as clinicians entering the profession</li>
<li>Mental Health Access and the complexity of hiring clinicians or finding therapists who are culturally competent</li>
<li>The role that fear and ignorance that can lead to poor interventions</li>
<li>Responding as a human being, not a member of the establishment (calling the police, CPS, etc.)</li>
<li>Understanding how passive ignorance can be a bigger problem than overt racism</li>
<li>Using privilege and access to help solve the problem and be an ally.</li>
<li>What needs to change in our profession to better support people of color</li>
<li>Understanding healing with a more diverse lens.</li>
<li>The importance of understanding your biases</li>
<li>Uncomfortable conversations that lead to positive change</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.melaninandmentalhealth.com/">Melanin and Mental Health</a>™</p><p><a href="https://www.change.org/p/psychology-today-please-sign-to-demand-more-diversity-from-psychology-today-magazine?recruiter=88837161&amp;utm_source=share_petition&amp;utm_medium=copylink&amp;utm_campaign=share_petition&amp;utm_term=share_for_starters_page"> Petition to demand more diversity from Psychology Today Magazine</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Being Truly Mindful</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/being-truly-mindful</link>
      <description>An interview with Ashley Graber, LMFT – Curt and Katie talk with Ashley about mindfulness and meditation – how to incorporate into daily life, considerations for teaching your clients, and the things that therapists can get wrong when using mindfulness interventions!
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Ashley Graber, LMFT
After 15 years working in Commercial Real Estate in New York City, Ashley Graber changed the direction of her life to the worlds of Psychology and Meditation &amp; Mindfulness. Ashley came to these practices after getting sober and in the decade plus since, she now runs a busy mindfulness-based psychotherapy practice at Yale Street Therapy (www.YaleStreetTherapy.com) in Santa Monica, CA. Ashley is the Director of Curriculum for the next generation meditation app &amp; mindfulness company, Evenflow. Ashley received her clinical degree from Antioch University and has trained extensively in Meditation &amp; Mindfulness practices, earning her certificate in Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) through The Center for Mindfulness at UC San Diego. She has also trained in Mindful Schools (teaching mindfulness and meditation to children), Trauma Resiliency Model (TRM), and Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR). Ashley was recently on Good Morning LaLa Land, spoke on Resilience at this year’s renowned Wisdom. 2.0 Mindfulness &amp; Technology conference, and is putting her psychotherapy and Meditation &amp; Mindfulness skills into print with a “how to” book for families. Learn more at www.AshleyGraberTherapy.com.
In this episode we talk about:

How Ashley puts her message out widely

Meditation and mindfulness tools that can help clients throughout their life.

Making meditation and mindfulness accessible

The difference between mindfulness and meditation

The importance of avoiding judgment to decrease suffering

Living in the present moment, without a lens of judgment

Shinzen’s equation: Pain X Resistance = Suffering

How we are most awake and alive in the present moment

How to continue to return to the present moment

Important ways to self-assess when thoughts, emotions, behaviors are unhealthy, including looking at the physical sensations in the present moment

The importance of being consistent with mindfulness practice

The requirements for therapists to have a regular practice before teaching clients

How to incorporate practices, getting mentorship and training

Different tools for teaching mindfulness and meditation to clients

Adjustments for clients who cannot sit in meditation, so they can experience mindfulness (especially those who have complex trauma, anxiety)

How therapists can consciously add mindfulness activities to their day.

Slow down the pace between sessions, consciously breathing, weaving some slower moments into your life.

The importance of using your senses, getting outside

Scheduling meditation

Setting reminders

How mentorship works in meditation

The resources of Even Flow (the app, the meditation/mindfulness company)

The different types of certifications and training for mindfulness

The inquiry process after the mindfulness practice (and its importance)

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Evenflow Meditation app
Yale Street Therapy
Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction Classes
Jon Kabat Zinn
Chris Crotty at AgainstTheStream, Boston</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Being Truly Mindful: An Interview with Ashley Graber, LMFT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Ashley Graber, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Ashley Graber, LMFT – Curt and Katie talk with Ashley about mindfulness and meditation – how to incorporate into daily life, considerations for teaching your clients, and the things that therapists can get wrong when using mindfulness interventions!
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Ashley Graber, LMFT
After 15 years working in Commercial Real Estate in New York City, Ashley Graber changed the direction of her life to the worlds of Psychology and Meditation &amp; Mindfulness. Ashley came to these practices after getting sober and in the decade plus since, she now runs a busy mindfulness-based psychotherapy practice at Yale Street Therapy (www.YaleStreetTherapy.com) in Santa Monica, CA. Ashley is the Director of Curriculum for the next generation meditation app &amp; mindfulness company, Evenflow. Ashley received her clinical degree from Antioch University and has trained extensively in Meditation &amp; Mindfulness practices, earning her certificate in Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) through The Center for Mindfulness at UC San Diego. She has also trained in Mindful Schools (teaching mindfulness and meditation to children), Trauma Resiliency Model (TRM), and Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR). Ashley was recently on Good Morning LaLa Land, spoke on Resilience at this year’s renowned Wisdom. 2.0 Mindfulness &amp; Technology conference, and is putting her psychotherapy and Meditation &amp; Mindfulness skills into print with a “how to” book for families. Learn more at www.AshleyGraberTherapy.com.
In this episode we talk about:

How Ashley puts her message out widely

Meditation and mindfulness tools that can help clients throughout their life.

Making meditation and mindfulness accessible

The difference between mindfulness and meditation

The importance of avoiding judgment to decrease suffering

Living in the present moment, without a lens of judgment

Shinzen’s equation: Pain X Resistance = Suffering

How we are most awake and alive in the present moment

How to continue to return to the present moment

Important ways to self-assess when thoughts, emotions, behaviors are unhealthy, including looking at the physical sensations in the present moment

The importance of being consistent with mindfulness practice

The requirements for therapists to have a regular practice before teaching clients

How to incorporate practices, getting mentorship and training

Different tools for teaching mindfulness and meditation to clients

Adjustments for clients who cannot sit in meditation, so they can experience mindfulness (especially those who have complex trauma, anxiety)

How therapists can consciously add mindfulness activities to their day.

Slow down the pace between sessions, consciously breathing, weaving some slower moments into your life.

The importance of using your senses, getting outside

Scheduling meditation

Setting reminders

How mentorship works in meditation

The resources of Even Flow (the app, the meditation/mindfulness company)

The different types of certifications and training for mindfulness

The inquiry process after the mindfulness practice (and its importance)

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Evenflow Meditation app
Yale Street Therapy
Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction Classes
Jon Kabat Zinn
Chris Crotty at AgainstTheStream, Boston</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Ashley Graber, LMFT – Curt and Katie talk with Ashley about mindfulness and meditation – how to incorporate into daily life, considerations for teaching your clients, and the things that therapists can get wrong when using mindfulness interventions!</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Ashley Graber, LMFT</p><p>After 15 years working in Commercial Real Estate in New York City, Ashley Graber changed the direction of her life to the worlds of Psychology and Meditation &amp; Mindfulness. Ashley came to these practices after getting sober and in the decade plus since, she now runs a busy mindfulness-based psychotherapy practice at Yale Street Therapy (www.YaleStreetTherapy.com) in Santa Monica, CA. Ashley is the Director of Curriculum for the next generation meditation app &amp; mindfulness company, Evenflow. Ashley received her clinical degree from Antioch University and has trained extensively in Meditation &amp; Mindfulness practices, earning her certificate in Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) through The Center for Mindfulness at UC San Diego. She has also trained in Mindful Schools (teaching mindfulness and meditation to children), Trauma Resiliency Model (TRM), and Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR). Ashley was recently on Good Morning LaLa Land, spoke on Resilience at this year’s renowned Wisdom. 2.0 Mindfulness &amp; Technology conference, and is putting her psychotherapy and Meditation &amp; Mindfulness skills into print with a “how to” book for families. Learn more at <a href="http://www.AshleyGraberTherapy.com">www.AshleyGraberTherapy.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How Ashley puts her message out widely</li>
<li>Meditation and mindfulness tools that can help clients throughout their life.</li>
<li>Making meditation and mindfulness accessible</li>
<li>The difference between mindfulness and meditation</li>
<li>The importance of avoiding judgment to decrease suffering</li>
<li>Living in the present moment, without a lens of judgment</li>
<li>Shinzen’s equation: Pain X Resistance = Suffering</li>
<li>How we are most awake and alive in the present moment</li>
<li>How to continue to return to the present moment</li>
<li>Important ways to self-assess when thoughts, emotions, behaviors are unhealthy, including looking at the physical sensations in the present moment</li>
<li>The importance of being consistent with mindfulness practice</li>
<li>The requirements for therapists to have a regular practice before teaching clients</li>
<li>How to incorporate practices, getting mentorship and training</li>
<li>Different tools for teaching mindfulness and meditation to clients</li>
<li>Adjustments for clients who cannot sit in meditation, so they can experience mindfulness (especially those who have complex trauma, anxiety)</li>
<li>How therapists can consciously add mindfulness activities to their day.</li>
<li>Slow down the pace between sessions, consciously breathing, weaving some slower moments into your life.</li>
<li>The importance of using your senses, getting outside</li>
<li>Scheduling meditation</li>
<li>Setting reminders</li>
<li>How mentorship works in meditation</li>
<li>The resources of Even Flow (the app, the meditation/mindfulness company)</li>
<li>The different types of certifications and training for mindfulness</li>
<li>The inquiry process after the mindfulness practice (and its importance)</li>
</ul><p> Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.evenflow.io/">Evenflow Meditation app</a></p><p><a href="https://www.yalestreettherapy.com/">Yale Street Therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mindfulnesscds.com/pages/about-the-series">Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction Classes</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mindfulnesscds.com/pages/about-the-author">Jon Kabat Zinn</a></p><p><a href="http://againstthestreamboston.org/#teacherstaff">Chris Crotty at AgainstTheStream, Boston</a></p>]]>
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      <title>A Bit of Advice</title>
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      <description>Curt and Katie talk about advice-giving in session, looking at the complexities, pros and cons, and how and when to give advice to clients.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Why, when to give advice in session

How to process the other pieces before giving advice

Therapeutic techniques that help in problem-solving before giving advice

Gender differences in approaching therapy, including who is looking more for “solutions”

How to assess because each individual has a different capacity to ask for help and/or seek advice

Solution-based advice versus process-oriented advice

The difference between clinical and coaching interventions

Developmental stages of decision-making and how they can impact when and how to give advice

How to assess whether you’ve crossed a boundary with the advice you’re giving

Urgency and crisis-related advice

The importance of seeing from your client’s perspective

Looking at what your advice is based on

The downsides of refusing to give an opinion, not self-disclosing – interacting as human beings can be richer therapeutically

The complexities as well as the pros and cons of giving advice 

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Other Relevant Episodes:
What Clients Want
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about advice-giving in session</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about advice-giving in session, looking at the complexities, pros and cons, and how and when to give advice to clients.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Why, when to give advice in session

How to process the other pieces before giving advice

Therapeutic techniques that help in problem-solving before giving advice

Gender differences in approaching therapy, including who is looking more for “solutions”

How to assess because each individual has a different capacity to ask for help and/or seek advice

Solution-based advice versus process-oriented advice

The difference between clinical and coaching interventions

Developmental stages of decision-making and how they can impact when and how to give advice

How to assess whether you’ve crossed a boundary with the advice you’re giving

Urgency and crisis-related advice

The importance of seeing from your client’s perspective

Looking at what your advice is based on

The downsides of refusing to give an opinion, not self-disclosing – interacting as human beings can be richer therapeutically

The complexities as well as the pros and cons of giving advice 

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Other Relevant Episodes:
What Clients Want
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about advice-giving in session, looking at the complexities, pros and cons, and how and when to give advice to clients.  </p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Why, when to give advice in session</li>
<li>How to process the other pieces before giving advice</li>
<li>Therapeutic techniques that help in problem-solving before giving advice</li>
<li>Gender differences in approaching therapy, including who is looking more for “solutions”</li>
<li>How to assess because each individual has a different capacity to ask for help and/or seek advice</li>
<li>Solution-based advice versus process-oriented advice</li>
<li>The difference between clinical and coaching interventions</li>
<li>Developmental stages of decision-making and how they can impact when and how to give advice</li>
<li>How to assess whether you’ve crossed a boundary with the advice you’re giving</li>
<li>Urgency and crisis-related advice</li>
<li>The importance of seeing from your client’s perspective</li>
<li>Looking at what your advice is based on</li>
<li>The downsides of refusing to give an opinion, not self-disclosing – interacting as human beings can be richer therapeutically</li>
<li>The complexities as well as the pros and cons of giving advice </li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Other Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/what-clients-want/">What Clients Want</a></p><p>Our event this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Our new consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Let’s Get Political</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/lets-get-political</link>
      <description>An interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT – Curt and Katie talk with Heather about being a therapist and being an activist as well as the challenges of being in the public eye during a national campaign. Heather’s call to action: step up and use your voice!
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT
Heather Janz, LMFT, has established a private practice in California’s central valley serving teens and young adults referred through the Juvenile Justice Center, hospitals, and county mental health crisis centers. Heather inspires her clients and fellow mental health professionals by modeling assertiveness and positive communication through activism and advocacy. She is the current president of her local chapter of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CSJV-CAMFT) and has also been involved in several movements including The Women’s March, Families Belong Together, and March For Our Lives. You can learn more about Heather at www.heatherjanz.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Being a therapist during a campaign

How Heather is navigating the complexities of being visible in the campaign where her husband is a democrat running to be the representative for Congressional District 22

The challenges of being a therapist during a national campaign

How Heather has processed her visibility and the campaign with her clients

The unexpected benefits of Heather’s personal life being so public, within her clinical work

The challenges of having different political views than clients – how to process it with clients

The benefits of being on record related to specific more controversial issues

How she has transitioned from having no visibility (as directed in school) to being in most of her clients’ mailboxes

The idea that clients need us to take care of them by being so invisible

How Heather screens new clients in and out to make sure that clients are not sensationalized related to the election

The additional steps Heather will take to protect her clients’ confidentiality on social media

Heather’s lack of confidentiality and how she relies on her ability to remain genuine in all spaces

The surprises that have come during the campaign

How to diminish the impact of the external stuff (campaign or personal matters) and the strict boundaries that Heather holds to shift the conversation to the clinical material

The supports that Heather has put in place to manage her work, the campaign, her own volunteer work

The self-care practices that Heather has put into place, how she has learned to say “no”

Advice for others seeking to enter politics as a therapist

Why it is so important that we step up, even if we don’t know if we’re ready, we can’t wait

How our activism can give our clients hope

How therapists as mental health experts interacting with legislators and staffers can decrease mental health stigma

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists
Heather’s Website
Andrew Janz for Congress</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Let’s Get Political: An interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT – Curt and Katie talk with Heather about being a therapist and being an activist as well as the challenges of being in the public eye during a national campaign. Heather’s call to action: step up and use your voice!
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT
Heather Janz, LMFT, has established a private practice in California’s central valley serving teens and young adults referred through the Juvenile Justice Center, hospitals, and county mental health crisis centers. Heather inspires her clients and fellow mental health professionals by modeling assertiveness and positive communication through activism and advocacy. She is the current president of her local chapter of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CSJV-CAMFT) and has also been involved in several movements including The Women’s March, Families Belong Together, and March For Our Lives. You can learn more about Heather at www.heatherjanz.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Being a therapist during a campaign

How Heather is navigating the complexities of being visible in the campaign where her husband is a democrat running to be the representative for Congressional District 22

The challenges of being a therapist during a national campaign

How Heather has processed her visibility and the campaign with her clients

The unexpected benefits of Heather’s personal life being so public, within her clinical work

The challenges of having different political views than clients – how to process it with clients

The benefits of being on record related to specific more controversial issues

How she has transitioned from having no visibility (as directed in school) to being in most of her clients’ mailboxes

The idea that clients need us to take care of them by being so invisible

How Heather screens new clients in and out to make sure that clients are not sensationalized related to the election

The additional steps Heather will take to protect her clients’ confidentiality on social media

Heather’s lack of confidentiality and how she relies on her ability to remain genuine in all spaces

The surprises that have come during the campaign

How to diminish the impact of the external stuff (campaign or personal matters) and the strict boundaries that Heather holds to shift the conversation to the clinical material

The supports that Heather has put in place to manage her work, the campaign, her own volunteer work

The self-care practices that Heather has put into place, how she has learned to say “no”

Advice for others seeking to enter politics as a therapist

Why it is so important that we step up, even if we don’t know if we’re ready, we can’t wait

How our activism can give our clients hope

How therapists as mental health experts interacting with legislators and staffers can decrease mental health stigma

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists
Heather’s Website
Andrew Janz for Congress</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT – Curt and Katie talk with Heather about being a therapist and being an activist as well as the challenges of being in the public eye during a national campaign. Heather’s call to action: step up and use your voice!</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Heather Walker Janz, LMFT</p><p>Heather Janz, LMFT, has established a private practice in California’s central valley serving teens and young adults referred through the Juvenile Justice Center, hospitals, and county mental health crisis centers. Heather inspires her clients and fellow mental health professionals by modeling assertiveness and positive communication through activism and advocacy. She is the current president of her local chapter of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CSJV-CAMFT) and has also been involved in several movements including The Women’s March, Families Belong Together, and March For Our Lives. You can learn more about Heather at <a href="http://www.heatherjanz.com">www.heatherjanz.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Being a therapist during a campaign</li>
<li>How Heather is navigating the complexities of being visible in the campaign where her husband is a democrat running to be the representative for Congressional District 22</li>
<li>The challenges of being a therapist during a national campaign</li>
<li>How Heather has processed her visibility and the campaign with her clients</li>
<li>The unexpected benefits of Heather’s personal life being so public, within her clinical work</li>
<li>The challenges of having different political views than clients – how to process it with clients</li>
<li>The benefits of being on record related to specific more controversial issues</li>
<li>How she has transitioned from having no visibility (as directed in school) to being in most of her clients’ mailboxes</li>
<li>The idea that clients need us to take care of them by being so invisible</li>
<li>How Heather screens new clients in and out to make sure that clients are not sensationalized related to the election</li>
<li>The additional steps Heather will take to protect her clients’ confidentiality on social media</li>
<li>Heather’s lack of confidentiality and how she relies on her ability to remain genuine in all spaces</li>
<li>The surprises that have come during the campaign</li>
<li>How to diminish the impact of the external stuff (campaign or personal matters) and the strict boundaries that Heather holds to shift the conversation to the clinical material</li>
<li>The supports that Heather has put in place to manage her work, the campaign, her own volunteer work</li>
<li>The self-care practices that Heather has put into place, how she has learned to say “no”</li>
<li>Advice for others seeking to enter politics as a therapist</li>
<li>Why it is so important that we step up, even if we don’t know if we’re ready, we can’t wait</li>
<li>How our activism can give our clients hope</li>
<li>How therapists as mental health experts interacting with legislators and staffers can decrease mental health stigma</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://camft.org/">California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists</a></p><p><a href="http://www.heatherjanz.com/">Heather’s Website</a></p><p><a href="https://www.andrewjanzforcongress.com/">Andrew Janz for Congress</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Bad Business Practices</title>
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      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the mistakes that therapists make in their business that can impact their clinical practice, their financial stability, and their reputation both with their colleagues and their clients.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The intersection between business and clinical practices

The different mistakes that therapists make like not returning phone calls, being clumsy with intake call and intake process, failing to talk about fees before meeting in person, insurance bait and switch, scheduling snafus in shared offices, lack of control in your space, running late, poor referrals, not getting consent from both parents, clients missing payments and racking up debt

How to improve business practices to improve clinical relationships

Using therapy skills to improve “sales”

Systems to help clients engage in treatment from the beginning

The importance of establishing fees and contracts/consents prior to the first session

Clear parameters can equal clinical safety

Timeliness can equate to trust

The handoff from intake or practice owner to the clinician who will work with the client

Showing confidence in your own work and any referrals you make

Making sure to talk through all of the consents and policies

Communication practices with clients

Taking notes, remembering what has happened in the session

Client experience, customer care

Re-engagement

Deliberate Practice and Scott Miller’s Feedback Informed Treatment

The importance of putting systems in place that support you and your clients

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 SimplePractice
 Scott Miller’s Feedback Informed Treatment
Maureen Werrbach with The Group Practice Exchange
Dr. Ben Caldwell with Ben Caldwell Labs
Mixing Modern Therapist live networking events – email us for info: events@therapyreimagined.com
The conversations happening in Our Facebook Group
 first.therapyreimaginedconference.com
Other Relevant Episodes:
Making Bank as a Therapist
Deliberate Practice 1: Finding Your Blind Spots
Deliberate Practice 2: Be a Better Therapist
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Bad Business Practices</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the mistakes that therapists make in their business that can impact their clinical practice, their financial stability, and their reputation both with their colleagues and their clients.  
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The intersection between business and clinical practices

The different mistakes that therapists make like not returning phone calls, being clumsy with intake call and intake process, failing to talk about fees before meeting in person, insurance bait and switch, scheduling snafus in shared offices, lack of control in your space, running late, poor referrals, not getting consent from both parents, clients missing payments and racking up debt

How to improve business practices to improve clinical relationships

Using therapy skills to improve “sales”

Systems to help clients engage in treatment from the beginning

The importance of establishing fees and contracts/consents prior to the first session

Clear parameters can equal clinical safety

Timeliness can equate to trust

The handoff from intake or practice owner to the clinician who will work with the client

Showing confidence in your own work and any referrals you make

Making sure to talk through all of the consents and policies

Communication practices with clients

Taking notes, remembering what has happened in the session

Client experience, customer care

Re-engagement

Deliberate Practice and Scott Miller’s Feedback Informed Treatment

The importance of putting systems in place that support you and your clients

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 SimplePractice
 Scott Miller’s Feedback Informed Treatment
Maureen Werrbach with The Group Practice Exchange
Dr. Ben Caldwell with Ben Caldwell Labs
Mixing Modern Therapist live networking events – email us for info: events@therapyreimagined.com
The conversations happening in Our Facebook Group
 first.therapyreimaginedconference.com
Other Relevant Episodes:
Making Bank as a Therapist
Deliberate Practice 1: Finding Your Blind Spots
Deliberate Practice 2: Be a Better Therapist
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>The intersection between business and clinical practices</li>
<li>The different mistakes that therapists make like not returning phone calls, being clumsy with intake call and intake process, failing to talk about fees before meeting in person, insurance bait and switch, scheduling snafus in shared offices, lack of control in your space, running late, poor referrals, not getting consent from both parents, clients missing payments and racking up debt</li>
<li>How to improve business practices to improve clinical relationships</li>
<li>Using therapy skills to improve “sales”</li>
<li>Systems to help clients engage in treatment from the beginning</li>
<li>The importance of establishing fees and contracts/consents prior to the first session</li>
<li>Clear parameters can equal clinical safety</li>
<li>Timeliness can equate to trust</li>
<li>The handoff from intake or practice owner to the clinician who will work with the client</li>
<li>Showing confidence in your own work and any referrals you make</li>
<li>Making sure to talk through all of the consents and policies</li>
<li>Communication practices with clients</li>
<li>Taking notes, remembering what has happened in the session</li>
<li>Client experience, customer care</li>
<li>Re-engagement</li>
<li>Deliberate Practice and Scott Miller’s Feedback Informed Treatment</li>
<li>The importance of putting systems in place that support you and your clients</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.simplepractice.com/?p=therapyreimagined2018&amp;utm_source=katievernoy&amp;utm_medium=offline&amp;utm_campaign=conference&amp;utm_term=partners&amp;utm_content=acquire"> SimplePractice</a></p><p><a href="https://www.scottdmiller.com/implementing-feedback-informed-treatment/"> Scott Miller’s Feedback Informed Treatment</a></p><p><a href="https://thegrouppracticeexchange.com/">Maureen Werrbach with The Group Practice Exchange</a></p><p>Dr. Ben Caldwell with <a href="https://bencaldwelllabs.com/">Ben Caldwell Labs</a></p><p>Mixing Modern Therapist live networking events – email us for info: events@therapyreimagined.com</p><p>The conversations happening in <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">Our Facebook Group</a></p><p><a href="https://d.docs.live.net/c2b564d98d95b825/Curt%20and%20Katie%20-%20Therapy%20Reimagined%20and%20Survival%20Guide/MTSG%20Podcast/Show%20notes/first.therapyreimaginedconference.com"> first.therapyreimaginedconference.com</a></p><p>Other Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/making-bank-as-a-therapist/">Making Bank as a Therapist</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/finding-your-blind-spots/">Deliberate Practice 1: Finding Your Blind Spots</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/be-a-better-therapist/">Deliberate Practice 2: Be a Better Therapist</a></p><p>Our event this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Our new consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Own Your Awesome Business</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/own-your-awesome-business</link>
      <description>An interview with Kelly Higdon, LMFT of ZynnyMe – Curt and Katie talk with Kelly Higdon about taking ownership as a business owner, creating space and time for play and creativity, defining your own pace, and your own voice – all with the goal of becoming stronger clinicians and increasing mental health access.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Kelly Higdon, LMFT
Kelly Higdon is a Licensed Marriage Family Therapist and the other half of ZynnyMe with Miranda Palmer. Together they created the Business School Bootcamp, a lifetime access business program just for therapists who want to start, grow or retool their practices. She operates from the belief that eradicating mental health stigma and improving access to mental wellness starts with each of us. The better we are at business, the better we can be at serving our communities. When Kelly isn't hanging out with bootcampers or coaching clients, you can find her spending time with husband and daughter or rolling on her skates with her roller derby family.
In this episode we talk about:

The reasons that Kelly joined together with Miranda Palmer, LMFT to create Zynnyme, Business School Bootcamp

How the way you live your life is the way you do business

How avoiding and “just trusting that everything will work out” can hurt your progress in private practice

How therapists recognizing patterns can help us be better business owners

The way that therapists have improved how they approach business over the last few years

How to choose who you spend time with – people who have a business mindset

The importance of accountability and being with people who challenge you

Looking at how the business decisions impact your clinical work and training

Deciding to grow or maintain your same level

Celebrating success rather than constantly looking to grow

Choices about eliminating, delegating, automating, prioritizing, and delaying

You get to define your success and your pace

Kelly’s parking lot method

The fears and doubts, grief that can come up when you don’t take action in your business

The plague of comparisonitis

Finding your own uniqueness, how to avoid being influenced by someone else and entering your own heart space

How business development is like childhood development

How to be more creative and improve your business

How to find your best coach to help you further your business development

The integrity of referring out

The changes in the profession over the last few years

How you can be in private practice and innovate for the whole profession

Breaking down barriers and increasing mental health access

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Business School Bootcamp
ZynnyMe
ZynnyMe Coaching and My Awesome Year
 Blue Ocean Strategy by W. Chan Kim and Renee Mauborgne

Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Own Your Awesome Business: An interview with Kelly Higdon, LMFT of ZynnyMe </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Kelly Higdon, LMFT of ZynnyMe </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Kelly Higdon, LMFT of ZynnyMe – Curt and Katie talk with Kelly Higdon about taking ownership as a business owner, creating space and time for play and creativity, defining your own pace, and your own voice – all with the goal of becoming stronger clinicians and increasing mental health access.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Kelly Higdon, LMFT
Kelly Higdon is a Licensed Marriage Family Therapist and the other half of ZynnyMe with Miranda Palmer. Together they created the Business School Bootcamp, a lifetime access business program just for therapists who want to start, grow or retool their practices. She operates from the belief that eradicating mental health stigma and improving access to mental wellness starts with each of us. The better we are at business, the better we can be at serving our communities. When Kelly isn't hanging out with bootcampers or coaching clients, you can find her spending time with husband and daughter or rolling on her skates with her roller derby family.
In this episode we talk about:

The reasons that Kelly joined together with Miranda Palmer, LMFT to create Zynnyme, Business School Bootcamp

How the way you live your life is the way you do business

How avoiding and “just trusting that everything will work out” can hurt your progress in private practice

How therapists recognizing patterns can help us be better business owners

The way that therapists have improved how they approach business over the last few years

How to choose who you spend time with – people who have a business mindset

The importance of accountability and being with people who challenge you

Looking at how the business decisions impact your clinical work and training

Deciding to grow or maintain your same level

Celebrating success rather than constantly looking to grow

Choices about eliminating, delegating, automating, prioritizing, and delaying

You get to define your success and your pace

Kelly’s parking lot method

The fears and doubts, grief that can come up when you don’t take action in your business

The plague of comparisonitis

Finding your own uniqueness, how to avoid being influenced by someone else and entering your own heart space

How business development is like childhood development

How to be more creative and improve your business

How to find your best coach to help you further your business development

The integrity of referring out

The changes in the profession over the last few years

How you can be in private practice and innovate for the whole profession

Breaking down barriers and increasing mental health access

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Business School Bootcamp
ZynnyMe
ZynnyMe Coaching and My Awesome Year
 Blue Ocean Strategy by W. Chan Kim and Renee Mauborgne

Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Kelly Higdon, LMFT of ZynnyMe – Curt and Katie talk with Kelly Higdon about taking ownership as a business owner, creating space and time for play and creativity, defining your own pace, and your own voice – all with the goal of becoming stronger clinicians and increasing mental health access.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Kelly Higdon, LMFT</p><p>Kelly Higdon is a Licensed Marriage Family Therapist and the other half of ZynnyMe with Miranda Palmer. Together they created the Business School Bootcamp, a lifetime access business program just for therapists who want to start, grow or retool their practices. She operates from the belief that eradicating mental health stigma and improving access to mental wellness starts with each of us. The better we are at business, the better we can be at serving our communities. When Kelly isn't hanging out with bootcampers or coaching clients, you can find her spending time with husband and daughter or rolling on her skates with her roller derby family.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The reasons that Kelly joined together with Miranda Palmer, LMFT to create Zynnyme, Business School Bootcamp</li>
<li>How the way you live your life is the way you do business</li>
<li>How avoiding and “just trusting that everything will work out” can hurt your progress in private practice</li>
<li>How therapists recognizing patterns can help us be better business owners</li>
<li>The way that therapists have improved how they approach business over the last few years</li>
<li>How to choose who you spend time with – people who have a business mindset</li>
<li>The importance of accountability and being with people who challenge you</li>
<li>Looking at how the business decisions impact your clinical work and training</li>
<li>Deciding to grow or maintain your same level</li>
<li>Celebrating success rather than constantly looking to grow</li>
<li>Choices about eliminating, delegating, automating, prioritizing, and delaying</li>
<li>You get to define your success and your pace</li>
<li>Kelly’s parking lot method</li>
<li>The fears and doubts, grief that can come up when you don’t take action in your business</li>
<li>The plague of comparisonitis</li>
<li>Finding your own uniqueness, how to avoid being influenced by someone else and entering your own heart space</li>
<li>How business development is like childhood development</li>
<li>How to be more creative and improve your business</li>
<li>How to find your best coach to help you further your business development</li>
<li>The integrity of referring out</li>
<li>The changes in the profession over the last few years</li>
<li>How you can be in private practice and innovate for the whole profession</li>
<li>Breaking down barriers and increasing mental health access</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://bschoolbootcamp.com/about">Business School Bootcamp</a></p><p><a href="https://www.zynnyme.com/">ZynnyMe</a></p><p><a href="https://www.zynnyme.com/private-practice-coaching/">ZynnyMe Coaching and My Awesome Year</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Ocean-Strategy-Expanded-Uncontested-ebook/dp/B00O4CRR7Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1533495602&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=blue+ocean+strategy%27"> Blue Ocean Strategy</a> by W. Chan Kim and Renee Mauborgne</p><p><br></p><p>Our Next Event:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Therapy Reimagined</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapy-reimagined</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about reimagining therapy, starting a #therapymovement, and pulling together a community to put on a conference
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Curt’s love of Legos and the ensuing overuse of this metaphor to describe using building blocks to be creative

This conference we’re putting on and why we named it Therapy Reimagined

The building blocks that are the foundation of therapy, but how we can use them creatively

The individual differences that have been growing the diversity of the profession

Sacrificial Helping Syndrome (Katie’s concept about how clinicians can sacrifice their own well-being for the work)

How the system isn’t working – it relies on us burning out

Why advocacy is important for our profession

The irony and sadness about us going into the profession to be a different therapist and then becoming the burned-out therapist

What it means when we burn out: lack of resources, mental health stigma, poorer outcomes

Creating an action plan for how you will improve the profession

Why strong business practices are important for all of us

Having a big idea and carrying it through

The importance of diversity and our commitment to have diverse faculty and diverse ideas at Therapy Reimagined 2018

How important it is to us to hear from you and develop this community around us for the #therapymovement

A secret message from Katie at the very end

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Katie’s article on Sacrificial Helping Syndrome
Katie’s writing about avoiding Sacrificial Helping Syndrome
Dr. Ben Caldwell with Ben Caldwell Labs
Mixing Modern Therapist live networking events – email us for info: events@therapyreimagined.com
The conversations happening in Our Facebook Group
first.therapyreimaginedconference.com
Other Relevant Episodes:
Our Therapy Reimagined speakers on the podcast -
The Fight to Save Psychotherapy - Benjamin E. Caldwell
What Therapists Get Wrong - Paul Gilmartin
Social Media and Video Marketing for Therapists - Ernesto Segismundo Jr.
Make Your Paperwork Meaningful - Maelisa Hall
Be the CEO of your SEO - Perry Rosenbloom
Becoming a Group Practice Owner - Maureen Werrbach
Building Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists - Robin Andersen
Crafting Your Authentic Message - Mercedes Samudio
 
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapy Reimagined: Curt and Katie talk about the #therapymovement</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about reimagining therapy, starting a #therapymovement, and pulling together a community to put on a conference</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about reimagining therapy, starting a #therapymovement, and pulling together a community to put on a conference
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Curt’s love of Legos and the ensuing overuse of this metaphor to describe using building blocks to be creative

This conference we’re putting on and why we named it Therapy Reimagined

The building blocks that are the foundation of therapy, but how we can use them creatively

The individual differences that have been growing the diversity of the profession

Sacrificial Helping Syndrome (Katie’s concept about how clinicians can sacrifice their own well-being for the work)

How the system isn’t working – it relies on us burning out

Why advocacy is important for our profession

The irony and sadness about us going into the profession to be a different therapist and then becoming the burned-out therapist

What it means when we burn out: lack of resources, mental health stigma, poorer outcomes

Creating an action plan for how you will improve the profession

Why strong business practices are important for all of us

Having a big idea and carrying it through

The importance of diversity and our commitment to have diverse faculty and diverse ideas at Therapy Reimagined 2018

How important it is to us to hear from you and develop this community around us for the #therapymovement

A secret message from Katie at the very end

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Katie’s article on Sacrificial Helping Syndrome
Katie’s writing about avoiding Sacrificial Helping Syndrome
Dr. Ben Caldwell with Ben Caldwell Labs
Mixing Modern Therapist live networking events – email us for info: events@therapyreimagined.com
The conversations happening in Our Facebook Group
first.therapyreimaginedconference.com
Other Relevant Episodes:
Our Therapy Reimagined speakers on the podcast -
The Fight to Save Psychotherapy - Benjamin E. Caldwell
What Therapists Get Wrong - Paul Gilmartin
Social Media and Video Marketing for Therapists - Ernesto Segismundo Jr.
Make Your Paperwork Meaningful - Maelisa Hall
Be the CEO of your SEO - Perry Rosenbloom
Becoming a Group Practice Owner - Maureen Werrbach
Building Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists - Robin Andersen
Crafting Your Authentic Message - Mercedes Samudio
 
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about reimagining therapy, starting a #therapymovement, and pulling together a community to put on a conference</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Curt’s love of Legos and the ensuing overuse of this metaphor to describe using building blocks to be creative</li>
<li>This conference we’re putting on and why we named it Therapy Reimagined</li>
<li>The building blocks that are the foundation of therapy, but how we can use them creatively</li>
<li>The individual differences that have been growing the diversity of the profession</li>
<li>Sacrificial Helping Syndrome (Katie’s concept about how clinicians can sacrifice their own well-being for the work)</li>
<li>How the system isn’t working – it relies on us burning out</li>
<li>Why advocacy is important for our profession</li>
<li>The irony and sadness about us going into the profession to be a different therapist and then becoming the burned-out therapist</li>
<li>What it means when we burn out: lack of resources, mental health stigma, poorer outcomes</li>
<li>Creating an action plan for how you will improve the profession</li>
<li>Why strong business practices are important for all of us</li>
<li>Having a big idea and carrying it through</li>
<li>The importance of diversity and our commitment to have diverse faculty and diverse ideas at Therapy Reimagined 2018</li>
<li>How important it is to us to hear from you and develop this community around us for the #therapymovement</li>
<li>A secret message from Katie at the very end</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://evolvetothriveconsulting.com/3-myths-less-effective/">Katie’s article on Sacrificial Helping Syndrome</a></p><p><a href="https://evolvetothriveconsulting.com/category/self-care/">Katie’s writing about avoiding Sacrificial Helping Syndrome</a></p><p>Dr. Ben Caldwell with <a href="https://bencaldwelllabs.com/">Ben Caldwell Labs</a></p><p>Mixing Modern Therapist live networking events – email us for info: events@therapyreimagined.com</p><p>The conversations happening in <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined">Our Facebook Group</a></p><p><a href="first.therapyreimaginedconference.com">first.therapyreimaginedconference.com</a></p><p>Other Relevant Episodes:</p><p>Our Therapy Reimagined speakers on the podcast -</p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.com/app/linkClick/4144/709bb170005a12a2/28532/dbddbe55d936fb4a">The Fight to Save Psychotherapy</a> - Benjamin E. Caldwell</p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.com/app/linkClick/4146/ad13ea8954ece177/28532/dbddbe55d936fb4a">What Therapists Get Wrong</a> - Paul Gilmartin</p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.com/app/linkClick/4152/4a39ebfe8bc1e4ab/28532/dbddbe55d936fb4a">Social Media and Video Marketing for Therapists</a> - Ernesto Segismundo Jr.</p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.com/app/linkClick/4140/a3cc2e87ea508f94/28532/dbddbe55d936fb4a">Make Your Paperwork Meaningful</a> - Maelisa Hall</p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.com/app/linkClick/4138/e8c92537456eb46e/28532/dbddbe55d936fb4a">Be the CEO of your SEO</a> - Perry Rosenbloom</p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.com/app/linkClick/4150/bd7f1245bc6bc37e/28532/dbddbe55d936fb4a">Becoming a Group Practice Owner</a> - Maureen Werrbach</p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.com/app/linkClick/4136/930bb998c07003d9/28532/dbddbe55d936fb4a">Building Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists</a> - Robin Andersen</p><p><a href="https://lb360.infusionsoft.com/app/linkClick/4148/5b8f230a36ce792c/28532/dbddbe55d936fb4a">Crafting Your Authentic Message</a> - Mercedes Samudio</p><p> </p><p>Our event this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Our new consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Making Bank as a Therapist</title>
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      <description>Curt and Katie talk with Tiffany McLain about the difficulty therapists have in charging enough to make a living, how ignoring money means you’re missing stuff in the clinical work, and ideas on how to shift your mindset to make bank.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Tiffany McLain, LMFT
Tiffany McLain, MFT is a therapist &amp; consultant whose mantra is, “Full fees are the new black.” Via her business, www.heytiffany.com, she helps therapists in private practice overcome their shame about marketing and making bank so they can help the clients they are truly passionate about serving. She’s been featured in Psychology Today Magazine, Psych Central, Huffington Post, KGO Radio, SF Weekly and Forbes.
In this episode we talk about:

The reasons that therapists have such a hard time charging for therapy

How therapists being upwardly mobile can impact their money issues

How many therapists are often marginalized and upwardly mobile, which can impact our tendency to sacrifice ourselves and put ourselves into the role of martyr

The zero-sum game that a lot of people think is true (but really is not)

Working through your money story and your identity around money

Shifting your mindset around money

Why we have a difficult time charging full fee

The culture of shame regarding talking about money

Money as a symbol of reality and of death

When clinicians are not addressing money stuff they are missing stuff in the clinical work

The danger of pretending that we don’t have needs, limitations, etc. and how that leads to unrealistic expectations for the clinician

How to give back and still make the living that you want

Why not everyone needs to go into private practice

Tiffany’s story of not fitting in and creating her own tribe

How she navigated having a strong brand in her coaching while doing psychoanalytic work in her therapy practice

How Tiffany works with therapy and coaching clients

How therapists get in their own way – getting their fees wrong, not leaning in 

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Tiffany’s Program: Lean in Make Bank
Fun with Fees Calculator
Profit First by Mike Michalowicz
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Making Bank as a Therapist: An interview with Tiffany McLain, LMFT </itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk with Tiffany McLain about the difficulty therapists have in charging enough to make a living, how ignoring money means you’re missing stuff in the clinical work, and ideas on how to shift your mindset to make bank.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Tiffany McLain, LMFT
Tiffany McLain, MFT is a therapist &amp; consultant whose mantra is, “Full fees are the new black.” Via her business, www.heytiffany.com, she helps therapists in private practice overcome their shame about marketing and making bank so they can help the clients they are truly passionate about serving. She’s been featured in Psychology Today Magazine, Psych Central, Huffington Post, KGO Radio, SF Weekly and Forbes.
In this episode we talk about:

The reasons that therapists have such a hard time charging for therapy

How therapists being upwardly mobile can impact their money issues

How many therapists are often marginalized and upwardly mobile, which can impact our tendency to sacrifice ourselves and put ourselves into the role of martyr

The zero-sum game that a lot of people think is true (but really is not)

Working through your money story and your identity around money

Shifting your mindset around money

Why we have a difficult time charging full fee

The culture of shame regarding talking about money

Money as a symbol of reality and of death

When clinicians are not addressing money stuff they are missing stuff in the clinical work

The danger of pretending that we don’t have needs, limitations, etc. and how that leads to unrealistic expectations for the clinician

How to give back and still make the living that you want

Why not everyone needs to go into private practice

Tiffany’s story of not fitting in and creating her own tribe

How she navigated having a strong brand in her coaching while doing psychoanalytic work in her therapy practice

How Tiffany works with therapy and coaching clients

How therapists get in their own way – getting their fees wrong, not leaning in 

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Tiffany’s Program: Lean in Make Bank
Fun with Fees Calculator
Profit First by Mike Michalowicz
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk with Tiffany McLain about the difficulty therapists have in charging enough to make a living, how ignoring money means you’re missing stuff in the clinical work, and ideas on how to shift your mindset to make bank.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Tiffany McLain, LMFT</p><p>Tiffany McLain, MFT is a therapist &amp; consultant whose mantra is, “Full fees are the new black.” Via her business, <a href="www.heytiffany.com">www.heytiffany.com</a>, she helps therapists in private practice overcome their shame about marketing and making bank so they can help the clients they are truly passionate about serving. She’s been featured in Psychology Today Magazine, Psych Central, Huffington Post, KGO Radio, SF Weekly and Forbes.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The reasons that therapists have such a hard time charging for therapy</li>
<li>How therapists being upwardly mobile can impact their money issues</li>
<li>How many therapists are often marginalized and upwardly mobile, which can impact our tendency to sacrifice ourselves and put ourselves into the role of martyr</li>
<li>The zero-sum game that a lot of people think is true (but really is not)</li>
<li>Working through your money story and your identity around money</li>
<li>Shifting your mindset around money</li>
<li>Why we have a difficult time charging full fee</li>
<li>The culture of shame regarding talking about money</li>
<li>Money as a symbol of reality and of death</li>
<li>When clinicians are not addressing money stuff they are missing stuff in the clinical work</li>
<li>The danger of pretending that we don’t have needs, limitations, etc. and how that leads to unrealistic expectations for the clinician</li>
<li>How to give back and still make the living that you want</li>
<li>Why not everyone needs to go into private practice</li>
<li>Tiffany’s story of not fitting in and creating her own tribe</li>
<li>How she navigated having a strong brand in her coaching while doing psychoanalytic work in her therapy practice</li>
<li>How Tiffany works with therapy and coaching clients</li>
<li>How therapists get in their own way – getting their fees wrong, not leaning in </li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.heytiffany.com/us">Tiffany’s Program: Lean in Make Bank</a></p><p><a href="https://www.heytiffany.com/feecalculator">Fun with Fees Calculator</a></p><p><a href="http://profitfirstbook.com/">Profit First</a> by Mike Michalowicz</p><p>Our Next Event:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Our consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>That's Unethical!</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/thats-unethical</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about people who yell “That’s Unethical” whenever they disagree with what someone else is doing. It could be ethics, but it might actually be legal, clinically relevance, values, morals, what “should” be done or what has always been done – and how to navigate messy decisions.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The tendency of people to yell "That's Unethical!" when they disagree with what you're doing (even if it doesn't relate to an ethic)

The differences between laws, ethics, clinically relevance, personal morals and values, and “shoulds” or what we’ve always done

#citethestatute

Being thoughtful about how we make decisions as a therapist

Emotional versus wise mind arguments

The messiness of reality – things don’t always stack up related to laws, ethics, clinical relevance, etc.

The need to discuss these things, so we can make change when needed

How to sort through the muddiness of real world scenarios where laws, ethics, and clinical interventions don’t line up.

The need to sort through in a case by case basis

Developmental stages of navigating the complexity of these differentiations

Your own values, limitations

The importance of consultation

Facebook group consultation – pros and cons

Seeking consultation on ethical, legal, and clinical complexity

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Dr. Ben Caldwell with Ben Caldwell Labs
Other Relevant Episodes:
Dual Relationships
Dating as a Therapist
 Social Media and Video Marketing for Therapists
Managing Your Online Reputation
How Much is Too Much? (on limit setting, talking politics with clients, etc.)
The Brand Called You
What Clients Want (on the therapeutic relationship)
Our Take on Texts
 
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>That's Unethical!: Curt and Katie talk about laws, ethics, morals, values, and clinical judgement (and navigating real-life messy decisions)</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about people who yell “That’s Unethical” whenever they disagree with what someone else is doing. It could be ethics, but it might actually be legal, clinically relevance, values, morals, what “should” be done or what has always been done – and how to navigate messy decisions.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The tendency of people to yell "That's Unethical!" when they disagree with what you're doing (even if it doesn't relate to an ethic)

The differences between laws, ethics, clinically relevance, personal morals and values, and “shoulds” or what we’ve always done

#citethestatute

Being thoughtful about how we make decisions as a therapist

Emotional versus wise mind arguments

The messiness of reality – things don’t always stack up related to laws, ethics, clinical relevance, etc.

The need to discuss these things, so we can make change when needed

How to sort through the muddiness of real world scenarios where laws, ethics, and clinical interventions don’t line up.

The need to sort through in a case by case basis

Developmental stages of navigating the complexity of these differentiations

Your own values, limitations

The importance of consultation

Facebook group consultation – pros and cons

Seeking consultation on ethical, legal, and clinical complexity

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Dr. Ben Caldwell with Ben Caldwell Labs
Other Relevant Episodes:
Dual Relationships
Dating as a Therapist
 Social Media and Video Marketing for Therapists
Managing Your Online Reputation
How Much is Too Much? (on limit setting, talking politics with clients, etc.)
The Brand Called You
What Clients Want (on the therapeutic relationship)
Our Take on Texts
 
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about people who yell “That’s Unethical” whenever they disagree with what someone else is doing. It could be ethics, but it might actually be legal, clinically relevance, values, morals, what “should” be done or what has always been done – and how to navigate messy decisions.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The tendency of people to yell "That's Unethical!" when they disagree with what you're doing (even if it doesn't relate to an ethic)</li>
<li>The differences between laws, ethics, clinically relevance, personal morals and values, and “shoulds” or what we’ve always done</li>
<li>#citethestatute</li>
<li>Being thoughtful about how we make decisions as a therapist</li>
<li>Emotional versus wise mind arguments</li>
<li>The messiness of reality – things don’t always stack up related to laws, ethics, clinical relevance, etc.</li>
<li>The need to discuss these things, so we can make change when needed</li>
<li>How to sort through the muddiness of real world scenarios where laws, ethics, and clinical interventions don’t line up.</li>
<li>The need to sort through in a case by case basis</li>
<li>Developmental stages of navigating the complexity of these differentiations</li>
<li>Your own values, limitations</li>
<li>The importance of consultation</li>
<li>Facebook group consultation – pros and cons</li>
<li>Seeking consultation on ethical, legal, and clinical complexity</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Dr. Ben Caldwell with <a href="https://bencaldwelllabs.com/">Ben Caldwell Labs</a></p><p>Other Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/dual-relationships-pros-and-cons/">Dual Relationships</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/dating-as-a-therapist/">Dating as a Therapist</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/social-media-and-video-marketing-for-therapists/"> Social Media and Video Marketing for Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/managing-your-online-reputation/">Managing Your Online Reputation</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/how-much-is-too-much/">How Much is Too Much?</a> (on limit setting, talking politics with clients, etc.)</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-brand-called-you/">The Brand Called You</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/what-clients-want/">What Clients Want</a> (on the therapeutic relationship)</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/our-take-on-texts/">Our Take on Texts</a></p><p> </p><p>Our event this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Our new consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Therapists Conducting Asylum Evaluations</title>
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      <description>An interview with Marc Sadoff, LCSW, about what therapists can do to support refugees seeking asylum in the United States. We talk about the qualifications therapists need to engage in the asylum evaluation process.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Marc Sadoff, LCSW
 Marc Sadoff, LCSW was licensed in 1985 and worked with the Program for Torture Victims Los Angeles from 1997 to 2001. Marc and his colleagues did psychological and medical evaluations to corroborate claims of torture for asylum seekers. In 2000, they presented a half-day workshop for Immigration Asylum Officers on the topic of credibility. They were acknowledged as contributors to a book edited by the Physicians for Human Rights called "A Health Professional’s Guide to Medical And Psychological Evaluations Of Torture" published in 2001. Marc has submitted over 100 psychological evaluations for immigration cases, and has been accepted as an ‘expert in traumatic stress’, 60 of the 60 times that he’s testified in court. Marc’s goal in providing training on asylum is to expand the pool of clinicians who can begin doing pro bono and low fee psychological evaluations for those fleeing injustice and terror. You can learn more about Marc here: www.realhope.com
In this episode we talk about:

Marc’s entry into treating torture and asylum victims

The difference between asylum evaluations and treatment

What the asylum process looks like from asylee perspective and the clinician perspective

The years long process that is asylum seeking, leading to communities requiring sponsorship while waiting for the process to be completed

The clinician’s experience in the asylum process

What is required to complete evaluations for asylum, looking at the practical steps to completing the report

Qualifications for therapists completing asylum evaluations

The current state of immigration and how it has impacted Marc’s practice, his personal takes on it

The plight of unaccompanied minors who cross the border

How therapists can get involved, as a citizen, as a clinician, as an asylum evaluator

How therapists and social workers need to be cautious about what they present related to interviews outside of asylum evaluations

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Marc’s 7 hour course - Webinar on Asylum Evaluations: RealHope.com/webinar-training/
Marc’s information:
www.RealHope.com/webinar-training/ For info regarding the September training.
Email: Marc@RealHope.com
Twitter: @MarcSadoff
IF YOU’D LIKE THE EXTENSIVE RESOURCES THAT MARC PROVIDED US, PLEASE SEND US A QUICK EMAIL AND WE CAN FORWARD THE MULTI-PAGE DOCUMENT TO YOU: podcast@therapyreimagined.com
Professional Organization Statements:
 APA
 NASW
 CAMFT
AAMFT
America Academy of Pediatrics
Child’s World America Petition
 Diane Feinstein’s Bill: Keep Families Together Act
 Action Alert from Southern Poverty Law Center
RAICES 
Immigration Resources:
https://www.psychologicalevaluationsforimmigrationcourt.net/blog/
 
IF YOU’D LIKE THE EXTENSIVE RESOURCES THAT MARC PROVIDED US (INCLUDING THE ONE ABOVE), PLEASE SEND US A QUICK EMAIL AND WE CAN FORWARD THE MULTI-PAGE DOCUMENT TO YOU: podcast@therapyreimagined.com
 
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapists Conducting Asylum Evaluations: An interview with Marc Sadoff, LCSW</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Marc Sadoff, LCSW, about what therapists can do to support refugees seeking asylum in the United States</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Marc Sadoff, LCSW, about what therapists can do to support refugees seeking asylum in the United States. We talk about the qualifications therapists need to engage in the asylum evaluation process.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Marc Sadoff, LCSW
 Marc Sadoff, LCSW was licensed in 1985 and worked with the Program for Torture Victims Los Angeles from 1997 to 2001. Marc and his colleagues did psychological and medical evaluations to corroborate claims of torture for asylum seekers. In 2000, they presented a half-day workshop for Immigration Asylum Officers on the topic of credibility. They were acknowledged as contributors to a book edited by the Physicians for Human Rights called "A Health Professional’s Guide to Medical And Psychological Evaluations Of Torture" published in 2001. Marc has submitted over 100 psychological evaluations for immigration cases, and has been accepted as an ‘expert in traumatic stress’, 60 of the 60 times that he’s testified in court. Marc’s goal in providing training on asylum is to expand the pool of clinicians who can begin doing pro bono and low fee psychological evaluations for those fleeing injustice and terror. You can learn more about Marc here: www.realhope.com
In this episode we talk about:

Marc’s entry into treating torture and asylum victims

The difference between asylum evaluations and treatment

What the asylum process looks like from asylee perspective and the clinician perspective

The years long process that is asylum seeking, leading to communities requiring sponsorship while waiting for the process to be completed

The clinician’s experience in the asylum process

What is required to complete evaluations for asylum, looking at the practical steps to completing the report

Qualifications for therapists completing asylum evaluations

The current state of immigration and how it has impacted Marc’s practice, his personal takes on it

The plight of unaccompanied minors who cross the border

How therapists can get involved, as a citizen, as a clinician, as an asylum evaluator

How therapists and social workers need to be cautious about what they present related to interviews outside of asylum evaluations

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Marc’s 7 hour course - Webinar on Asylum Evaluations: RealHope.com/webinar-training/
Marc’s information:
www.RealHope.com/webinar-training/ For info regarding the September training.
Email: Marc@RealHope.com
Twitter: @MarcSadoff
IF YOU’D LIKE THE EXTENSIVE RESOURCES THAT MARC PROVIDED US, PLEASE SEND US A QUICK EMAIL AND WE CAN FORWARD THE MULTI-PAGE DOCUMENT TO YOU: podcast@therapyreimagined.com
Professional Organization Statements:
 APA
 NASW
 CAMFT
AAMFT
America Academy of Pediatrics
Child’s World America Petition
 Diane Feinstein’s Bill: Keep Families Together Act
 Action Alert from Southern Poverty Law Center
RAICES 
Immigration Resources:
https://www.psychologicalevaluationsforimmigrationcourt.net/blog/
 
IF YOU’D LIKE THE EXTENSIVE RESOURCES THAT MARC PROVIDED US (INCLUDING THE ONE ABOVE), PLEASE SEND US A QUICK EMAIL AND WE CAN FORWARD THE MULTI-PAGE DOCUMENT TO YOU: podcast@therapyreimagined.com
 
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Marc Sadoff, LCSW, about what therapists can do to support refugees seeking asylum in the United States. We talk about the qualifications therapists need to engage in the asylum evaluation process.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Marc Sadoff, LCSW</p><p> Marc Sadoff, LCSW was licensed in 1985 and worked with the Program for Torture Victims Los Angeles from 1997 to 2001. Marc and his colleagues did psychological and medical evaluations to corroborate claims of torture for asylum seekers. In 2000, they presented a half-day workshop for Immigration Asylum Officers on the topic of credibility. They were acknowledged as contributors to a book edited by the Physicians for Human Rights called "A Health Professional’s Guide to Medical And Psychological Evaluations Of Torture" published in 2001. Marc has submitted over 100 psychological evaluations for immigration cases, and has been accepted as an ‘expert in traumatic stress’, 60 of the 60 times that he’s testified in court. Marc’s goal in providing training on asylum is to expand the pool of clinicians who can begin doing pro bono and low fee psychological evaluations for those fleeing injustice and terror. You can learn more about Marc here: <a href="http://www.realhope.com">www.realhope.com</a></p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Marc’s entry into treating torture and asylum victims</li>
<li>The difference between asylum evaluations and treatment</li>
<li>What the asylum process looks like from asylee perspective and the clinician perspective</li>
<li>The years long process that is asylum seeking, leading to communities requiring sponsorship while waiting for the process to be completed</li>
<li>The clinician’s experience in the asylum process</li>
<li>What is required to complete evaluations for asylum, looking at the practical steps to completing the report</li>
<li>Qualifications for therapists completing asylum evaluations</li>
<li>The current state of immigration and how it has impacted Marc’s practice, his personal takes on it</li>
<li>The plight of unaccompanied minors who cross the border</li>
<li>How therapists can get involved, as a citizen, as a clinician, as an asylum evaluator</li>
<li>How therapists and social workers need to be cautious about what they present related to interviews outside of asylum evaluations</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Marc’s 7 hour course - Webinar on Asylum Evaluations: <a href="http://realhope.com/webinar-training/">RealHope.com/webinar-training/</a></p><p>Marc’s information:</p><p><a href="http://www.RealHope.com/webinar-training/">www.RealHope.com/webinar-training/</a> For info regarding the September training.</p><p>Email: Marc@RealHope.com</p><p>Twitter: @MarcSadoff</p><p><em>IF YOU’D LIKE THE EXTENSIVE RESOURCES THAT MARC PROVIDED US, PLEASE SEND US A QUICK EMAIL AND WE CAN FORWARD THE MULTI-PAGE DOCUMENT TO YOU: podcast@therapyreimagined.com</em></p><p>Professional Organization Statements:</p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/us/politics/trump-democrats-immigrant-families.html"> APA</a></p><p><a href="https://www.socialworkers.org/news/news-releases/id/1654/nasw-says-plan-to-separate-undocumented-immigrant-children-from-their-parents-is-malicious-and-unconscionable"> NASW</a></p><p><a href="http://www.camft.org/COS/About_Us/Press_Release/COS/About_CAMFT/Press_Release/CAMFT_Supports_Keeping_Families_Together.aspx"> CAMFT</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/TheAAMFT/posts/10156408242553948">AAMFT</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/AmerAcadPeds/posts/10155895148565432">America Academy of Pediatrics</a></p><p><a href="https://childsworldamerica.org/stop-border-separation/">Child’s World America Petition</a></p><p><a href="https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3036?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22keep+families+together+act%22%5D%7D&amp;r=1"> Diane Feinstein’s Bill</a>: Keep Families Together Act</p><p><a href="https://www.splcenter.org/action-alert-call-doj-and-stand-american-values"> Action Alert from Southern Poverty Law Center</a></p><p><a href="https://www.raicestexas.org/">RAICES</a> </p><p>Immigration Resources:</p><p>https://www.psychologicalevaluationsforimmigrationcourt.net/blog/</p><p><em> </em></p><p><em>IF YOU’D LIKE THE EXTENSIVE RESOURCES THAT MARC PROVIDED US (INCLUDING THE ONE ABOVE), PLEASE SEND US A QUICK EMAIL AND WE CAN FORWARD THE MULTI-PAGE DOCUMENT TO YOU: podcast@therapyreimagined.com</em></p><p> </p><p>Our Next Event:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Our new consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Getting Accurate Referrals</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/getting-accurate-referrals</link>
      <description>An interview with Alison Fussell, LMFT, Co-Founder of Advekit, about making her dream of stronger, more accurate referrals a reality through the responsive algorithm on her online platform. Looking at the platform, the vision, and the ups and downs of being a startup.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Alison Fussell, LMFT
Alison Fussell is a LMFT and Co-Founder of Advekit - the modern marketing platform for therapists in Southern California. Alison was born and raised in Los Angeles and attended UCLA (Bachelors) and Pepperdine University (Masters). She practiced in a clinical setting for 6 years before starting her company, Advekit. The impetus for Advekit was to bridge the gap between therapists seeking new clients, and clients seeking the right suited therapists per their needs. Alison and her co-founder, Arielle, realized that there was a strong need for an effective platform for both groups to connect, as this concept was lacking in the space. In addition to their matching platform, the Advekit team plans to enhance the therapist and client experience from end to end, with the goal of implementing new tools on the platform and scaling into major cities within the US.
In this episode we talk about:

Alison’s story

Identifying the gap in saturated markets, to help people narrow down and find the right therapist

Shifting from your clinical practice to a “side” business

The struggles of starting a business

Increasing accuracy of referrals

Creating an algorithm to improve matches within Advekit

Accurately portraying yourself to get better referrals, being specific

How you can shoot yourself in the foot when you check off too many boxes on online profiles

Leveraging your clinical skills in other areas in business

Creating a business partnership with complimentary skillsets

Moving from vision to reality

Finding the right steps to move forward

What you need to know about business to move a big idea forward

Reading books and learning on your own

Taking risks

Finding opportunities beyond clinical work

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Advekit
Special Advekit promo code for our listeners: “summer2018” – This will give you 10% off the annual package (normally $270, but for you it will be $243). Enter this code in as you fill out your profile on Advekit.
 
Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:
Referrals Done Right
The Brand Called You
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/be2232cc-690e-11ed-9001-67b495c32e34/image/Episode_60.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Alison Fussell, LMFT, Co-Founder of Advekit</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>An interview with Alison Fussell, LMFT, Co-Founder of Advekit, about making her dream of stronger, more accurate referrals a reality through the responsive algorithm on her online platform. Looking at the platform, the vision, and the ups and downs of being a startup.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Alison Fussell, LMFT
Alison Fussell is a LMFT and Co-Founder of Advekit - the modern marketing platform for therapists in Southern California. Alison was born and raised in Los Angeles and attended UCLA (Bachelors) and Pepperdine University (Masters). She practiced in a clinical setting for 6 years before starting her company, Advekit. The impetus for Advekit was to bridge the gap between therapists seeking new clients, and clients seeking the right suited therapists per their needs. Alison and her co-founder, Arielle, realized that there was a strong need for an effective platform for both groups to connect, as this concept was lacking in the space. In addition to their matching platform, the Advekit team plans to enhance the therapist and client experience from end to end, with the goal of implementing new tools on the platform and scaling into major cities within the US.
In this episode we talk about:

Alison’s story

Identifying the gap in saturated markets, to help people narrow down and find the right therapist

Shifting from your clinical practice to a “side” business

The struggles of starting a business

Increasing accuracy of referrals

Creating an algorithm to improve matches within Advekit

Accurately portraying yourself to get better referrals, being specific

How you can shoot yourself in the foot when you check off too many boxes on online profiles

Leveraging your clinical skills in other areas in business

Creating a business partnership with complimentary skillsets

Moving from vision to reality

Finding the right steps to move forward

What you need to know about business to move a big idea forward

Reading books and learning on your own

Taking risks

Finding opportunities beyond clinical work

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Advekit
Special Advekit promo code for our listeners: “summer2018” – This will give you 10% off the annual package (normally $270, but for you it will be $243). Enter this code in as you fill out your profile on Advekit.
 
Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:
Referrals Done Right
The Brand Called You
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Alison Fussell, LMFT, Co-Founder of Advekit, about making her dream of stronger, more accurate referrals a reality through the responsive algorithm on her online platform. Looking at the platform, the vision, and the ups and downs of being a startup.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Alison Fussell, LMFT</p><p>Alison Fussell is a LMFT and Co-Founder of Advekit - the modern marketing platform for therapists in Southern California. Alison was born and raised in Los Angeles and attended UCLA (Bachelors) and Pepperdine University (Masters). She practiced in a clinical setting for 6 years before starting her company, Advekit. The impetus for Advekit was to bridge the gap between therapists seeking new clients, and clients seeking the right suited therapists per their needs. Alison and her co-founder, Arielle, realized that there was a strong need for an effective platform for both groups to connect, as this concept was lacking in the space. In addition to their matching platform, the Advekit team plans to enhance the therapist and client experience from end to end, with the goal of implementing new tools on the platform and scaling into major cities within the US.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Alison’s story</li>
<li>Identifying the gap in saturated markets, to help people narrow down and find the right therapist</li>
<li>Shifting from your clinical practice to a “side” business</li>
<li>The struggles of starting a business</li>
<li>Increasing accuracy of referrals</li>
<li>Creating an algorithm to improve matches within Advekit</li>
<li>Accurately portraying yourself to get better referrals, being specific</li>
<li>How you can shoot yourself in the foot when you check off too many boxes on online profiles</li>
<li>Leveraging your clinical skills in other areas in business</li>
<li>Creating a business partnership with complimentary skillsets</li>
<li>Moving from vision to reality</li>
<li>Finding the right steps to move forward</li>
<li>What you need to know about business to move a big idea forward</li>
<li>Reading books and learning on your own</li>
<li>Taking risks</li>
<li>Finding opportunities beyond clinical work</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://bit.ly/AdvekitPromo">Advekit</a></p><p><em>Special Advekit promo code for our listeners: “summer2018”</em> – This will give you 10% off the annual package (normally $270, but for you it will be $243). Enter this code in as you fill out your profile on <a href="http://bit.ly/AdvekitPromo">Advekit</a>.</p><p> </p><p>Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/referrals-done-right/">Referrals Done Right</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-brand-called-you/">The Brand Called You</a></p><p>Our Next Event:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Our new consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Hostage Marketing</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/hostage-marketing</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about ineffective and shady marketing practices that are completely ineffective and bad for your brand.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Laws and best practices related to email marketing

The benefit of opt-in and permission marketing

List building while providing positive content to the people who have subscribed or opted in

Frequency and quality of emails

Technological advances that help you send information only to the people who want it

Segmented lists: client facing, referral sources, topics, events, etc.

The what’s and how’s of the unsubscribe button

Unsolicited texts during the election

The danger of holding people hostage in any form (in person networking, texting, phone, email)

Visibility is not the only goal of marketing

Facebook interactions that are not so cool

Treating people as a number on a mailing list, a like for a FB page, etc.

Excessively marketing – fear based or obsession-based conversations

The huge problem of not being able to unsubscribe

The dangers of burning out your referral sources with unsolicited emails

Creating engaging content

Marketing strategy for different platforms

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Permission Marketing by Seth Godin
 Can-Spam Rule
GDPR
Other Relevant Episodes:
The Brand Called You
 The Dividing Line Between Coaching and Therapy
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Hostage Marketing: Curt and Katie talk about ineffective and shady marketing practices </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about ineffective and shady marketing practices</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about ineffective and shady marketing practices that are completely ineffective and bad for your brand.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Laws and best practices related to email marketing

The benefit of opt-in and permission marketing

List building while providing positive content to the people who have subscribed or opted in

Frequency and quality of emails

Technological advances that help you send information only to the people who want it

Segmented lists: client facing, referral sources, topics, events, etc.

The what’s and how’s of the unsubscribe button

Unsolicited texts during the election

The danger of holding people hostage in any form (in person networking, texting, phone, email)

Visibility is not the only goal of marketing

Facebook interactions that are not so cool

Treating people as a number on a mailing list, a like for a FB page, etc.

Excessively marketing – fear based or obsession-based conversations

The huge problem of not being able to unsubscribe

The dangers of burning out your referral sources with unsolicited emails

Creating engaging content

Marketing strategy for different platforms

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Permission Marketing by Seth Godin
 Can-Spam Rule
GDPR
Other Relevant Episodes:
The Brand Called You
 The Dividing Line Between Coaching and Therapy
Our event this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Our new consultation services:
The Fifty-Minute Hour
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about ineffective and shady marketing practices that are completely ineffective and bad for your brand.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Laws and best practices related to email marketing</li>
<li>The benefit of opt-in and permission marketing</li>
<li>List building while providing positive content to the people who have subscribed or opted in</li>
<li>Frequency and quality of emails</li>
<li>Technological advances that help you send information only to the people who want it</li>
<li>Segmented lists: client facing, referral sources, topics, events, etc.</li>
<li>The what’s and how’s of the unsubscribe button</li>
<li>Unsolicited texts during the election</li>
<li>The danger of holding people hostage in any form (in person networking, texting, phone, email)</li>
<li>Visibility is not the only goal of marketing</li>
<li>Facebook interactions that are not so cool</li>
<li>Treating people as a number on a mailing list, a like for a FB page, etc.</li>
<li>Excessively marketing – fear based or obsession-based conversations</li>
<li>The huge problem of not being able to unsubscribe</li>
<li>The dangers of burning out your referral sources with unsolicited emails</li>
<li>Creating engaging content</li>
<li>Marketing strategy for different platforms</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Permission-Marketing-Turning-Strangers-Customers/dp/0684856360"> Permission Marketing</a> by Seth Godin</p><p><a href="https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/rules/rulemaking-regulatory-reform-proceedings/can-spam-rule"> Can-Spam Rule</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation">GDPR</a></p><p>Other Relevant Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-brand-called-you/">The Brand Called You</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-dividing-line-between-coaching-and-therapy/"> The Dividing Line Between Coaching and Therapy</a></p><p>Our event this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Our new consultation services:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Navigating the Food and Eating Minefield</title>
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      <description>An interview with Robyn Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD, on what all therapists should know about nutrition, disordered eating, and eating disorders, as well as their own biases and relationship with food
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Robyn Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD
Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD, began her career at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles as the in-patient dietitian in the Department of Cardiology. Over the last 21 years she has developed her own private practice in Beverly Hills, CA, where she specializes in medical conditions, disordered eating, eating disorders, Health at Every Size, intuitive eating and pre-pregnancy nutrition. Robyn promotes opportunity to excel in developing a new perspective with food in association with several medical groups. She serves as a Nutrition Consultant for the Celiac Disease Foundation. For the last eight years Robyn was the Nutritional Therapist for the Susan Krevoy Eating Disorders Program at Wright Institute Los Angeles was a consultant for Panda Restaurant Group and teaches the nutrition classes for the Motion Picture Wellness Program. Currently Robyn is the Director of Nutrition Service for The Control Center, an addiction IOP, where she sees all the eating disorder patients. She is a contributing author and is a nationally known registered dietitian nutritionist. She has been quoted in The New York Times, The Huffington Post, The Fix, Shape Magazine, Fitness, Oxygen, Pilates Style, Diabetes Forecast, BH Weekly and Life &amp; Style. She has been on national television as the eating disorder expert on The Insider.  Robyn has a body image and eating disorder group at several addiction centers in Los Angeles.
Learn more about Robyn at www.askaboutfood.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Diet Culture

HAES: Health at Every Size

Food freedom

Collaboration between therapists and dietitians

Treating eating disorders and disordered eating

What to look for in the intake process

Looking at your own belief system and bias around “fat” and “thin”

Why you can't make assumptions about your clients based on what they look like

When to worry about eating patterns of your clients

Orthorexia, Anorexia, Bulimia, Restricting, Binging

Moving away from the idea that there is a “right weight”

What therapists often miss related to eating

How to find experts who work with Eating Disorders (what the qualifications are, what the dangers are when you work outside of your scope)

Who needs to be on the team to treating EDs.

Medical considerations and labs to request

How little most people know about how to screen for eating disorders

The differences between Registered Dietitian Nutritionist, Licensed Dietitians, Nutritionists, Health Coaches

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Robyn’s Website: www.askaboutfood.com
Instagram: RobynGoldbergRDN
Academy of Eating Disorders: www.aedweb.org
International Association of Eating Disorder Professionals: IAEDP
Certifications for Eating Disorder Specialties (CEDRD, CEDS, etc.)
Medical Care Standards Guide - Eating Disorders: Critical Points for Early Recognition and Medical Risk Management in the Care of Individuals with Eating Disorders
 Certification in Intuitive Eating
Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:
Are You Sure You’re a Specialist
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>An interview with Robyn Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD, on what all therapists should know about nutrition, disordered eating, and eating disorders, as well as their own biases and relationship with food
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Robyn Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD
Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD, began her career at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles as the in-patient dietitian in the Department of Cardiology. Over the last 21 years she has developed her own private practice in Beverly Hills, CA, where she specializes in medical conditions, disordered eating, eating disorders, Health at Every Size, intuitive eating and pre-pregnancy nutrition. Robyn promotes opportunity to excel in developing a new perspective with food in association with several medical groups. She serves as a Nutrition Consultant for the Celiac Disease Foundation. For the last eight years Robyn was the Nutritional Therapist for the Susan Krevoy Eating Disorders Program at Wright Institute Los Angeles was a consultant for Panda Restaurant Group and teaches the nutrition classes for the Motion Picture Wellness Program. Currently Robyn is the Director of Nutrition Service for The Control Center, an addiction IOP, where she sees all the eating disorder patients. She is a contributing author and is a nationally known registered dietitian nutritionist. She has been quoted in The New York Times, The Huffington Post, The Fix, Shape Magazine, Fitness, Oxygen, Pilates Style, Diabetes Forecast, BH Weekly and Life &amp; Style. She has been on national television as the eating disorder expert on The Insider.  Robyn has a body image and eating disorder group at several addiction centers in Los Angeles.
Learn more about Robyn at www.askaboutfood.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Diet Culture

HAES: Health at Every Size

Food freedom

Collaboration between therapists and dietitians

Treating eating disorders and disordered eating

What to look for in the intake process

Looking at your own belief system and bias around “fat” and “thin”

Why you can't make assumptions about your clients based on what they look like

When to worry about eating patterns of your clients

Orthorexia, Anorexia, Bulimia, Restricting, Binging

Moving away from the idea that there is a “right weight”

What therapists often miss related to eating

How to find experts who work with Eating Disorders (what the qualifications are, what the dangers are when you work outside of your scope)

Who needs to be on the team to treating EDs.

Medical considerations and labs to request

How little most people know about how to screen for eating disorders

The differences between Registered Dietitian Nutritionist, Licensed Dietitians, Nutritionists, Health Coaches

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Robyn’s Website: www.askaboutfood.com
Instagram: RobynGoldbergRDN
Academy of Eating Disorders: www.aedweb.org
International Association of Eating Disorder Professionals: IAEDP
Certifications for Eating Disorder Specialties (CEDRD, CEDS, etc.)
Medical Care Standards Guide - Eating Disorders: Critical Points for Early Recognition and Medical Risk Management in the Care of Individuals with Eating Disorders
 Certification in Intuitive Eating
Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:
Are You Sure You’re a Specialist
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An interview with Robyn Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD, on what all therapists should know about nutrition, disordered eating, and eating disorders, as well as their own biases and relationship with food</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Robyn Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD</p><p>Robyn L. Goldberg, RDN, CEDRD, began her career at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles as the in-patient dietitian in the Department of Cardiology. Over the last 21 years she has developed her own private practice in Beverly Hills, CA, where she specializes in medical conditions, disordered eating, eating disorders, Health at Every Size, intuitive eating and pre-pregnancy nutrition. Robyn promotes opportunity to excel in developing a new perspective with food in association with several medical groups. She serves as a Nutrition Consultant for the Celiac Disease Foundation. For the last eight years Robyn was the Nutritional Therapist for the Susan Krevoy Eating Disorders Program at Wright Institute Los Angeles was a consultant for Panda Restaurant Group and teaches the nutrition classes for the Motion Picture Wellness Program. Currently Robyn is the Director of Nutrition Service for The Control Center, an addiction IOP, where she sees all the eating disorder patients. She is a contributing author and is a nationally known registered dietitian nutritionist. She has been quoted in The New York Times, The Huffington Post, The Fix, Shape Magazine, Fitness, Oxygen, Pilates Style, Diabetes Forecast, BH Weekly and Life &amp; Style. She has been on national television as the eating disorder expert on <em>The Insider. </em> Robyn has a body image and eating disorder group at several addiction centers in Los Angeles.</p><p>Learn more about Robyn at <a href="http://www.askaboutfood.com/">www.askaboutfood.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Diet Culture</li>
<li>HAES: Health at Every Size</li>
<li>Food freedom</li>
<li>Collaboration between therapists and dietitians</li>
<li>Treating eating disorders and disordered eating</li>
<li>What to look for in the intake process</li>
<li>Looking at your own belief system and bias around “fat” and “thin”</li>
<li>Why you can't make assumptions about your clients based on what they look like</li>
<li>When to worry about eating patterns of your clients</li>
<li>Orthorexia, Anorexia, Bulimia, Restricting, Binging</li>
<li>Moving away from the idea that there is a “right weight”</li>
<li>What therapists often miss related to eating</li>
<li>How to find experts who work with Eating Disorders (what the qualifications are, what the dangers are when you work outside of your scope)</li>
<li>Who needs to be on the team to treating EDs.</li>
<li>Medical considerations and labs to request</li>
<li>How little most people know about how to screen for eating disorders</li>
<li>The differences between Registered Dietitian Nutritionist, Licensed Dietitians, Nutritionists, Health Coaches</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Robyn’s Website: <a href="www.askaboutfood.com">www.askaboutfood.com</a></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/robyngoldbergrdn/">RobynGoldbergRDN</a></p><p>Academy of Eating Disorders: <a href="http://www.aedweb.org/">www.aedweb.org</a></p><p>International Association of Eating Disorder Professionals: <a href="http://www.iaedp.com/">IAEDP</a></p><p><a href="http://www.iaedp.com/certification-overview/">Certifications for Eating Disorder Specialties (CEDRD, CEDS, etc.)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.aedweb.org/learn/publications/medical-care-standards">Medical Care Standards Guide - Eating Disorders: Critical Points for Early Recognition and Medical Risk Management in the Care of Individuals with Eating Disorders</a></p><p><a href="http://www.intuitiveeating.org/about-us/how-to-become-a-certified-intuitive-eating-counselor-or-lay-facilitator/"> Certification in Intuitive Eating</a></p><p>Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/are-you-sure-you-are-a-specialist/">Are You Sure You’re a Specialist</a></p><p>Our Next Event:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Clients Want</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/what-clients-want</link>
      <description>Curt and Katie talk about the therapeutic alliance - challenges of defining it, what clients think about it, and how to incorporate best practices.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The definition of therapeutic alliance and the difficult we have in practically defining it

What actually matters to clients, that makes up the therapeutic relationship

Validating the client’s experience

Looking at the client as a whole person

Therapist honesty

Showing good boundaries

Normalizing the client’s experience

Making eye contact with our clients

Body language, who we present ourselves

Clients feeling heard and respected

The challenge of getting accurate feedback from clients

How to incorporate best practices

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Bedi and Duff Study on Therapeutic Relationship: Client as Expert
Scott Miller
Our new consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour
Other Episodes Mentioned:
The Brand Called You
Our events this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Clients Want: Curt and Katie talk about the therapeutic alliance</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the therapeutic alliance</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt and Katie talk about the therapeutic alliance - challenges of defining it, what clients think about it, and how to incorporate best practices.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The definition of therapeutic alliance and the difficult we have in practically defining it

What actually matters to clients, that makes up the therapeutic relationship

Validating the client’s experience

Looking at the client as a whole person

Therapist honesty

Showing good boundaries

Normalizing the client’s experience

Making eye contact with our clients

Body language, who we present ourselves

Clients feeling heard and respected

The challenge of getting accurate feedback from clients

How to incorporate best practices

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Bedi and Duff Study on Therapeutic Relationship: Client as Expert
Scott Miller
Our new consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour
Other Episodes Mentioned:
The Brand Called You
Our events this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Curt and Katie talk about the therapeutic alliance - challenges of defining it, what clients think about it, and how to incorporate best practices.</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The definition of therapeutic alliance and the difficult we have in practically defining it</li>
<li>What actually matters to clients, that makes up the therapeutic relationship</li>
<li>Validating the client’s experience</li>
<li>Looking at the client as a whole person</li>
<li>Therapist honesty</li>
<li>Showing good boundaries</li>
<li>Normalizing the client’s experience</li>
<li>Making eye contact with our clients</li>
<li>Body language, who we present ourselves</li>
<li>Clients feeling heard and respected</li>
<li>The challenge of getting accurate feedback from clients</li>
<li>How to incorporate best practices</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Bedi and Duff Study on Therapeutic Relationship: Client as Expert</p><p><a href="https://www.scottdmiller.com/">Scott Miller</a></p><p>Our new consultation services: <a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/consultation/">The Fifty-Minute Hour</a></p><p>Other Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/the-brand-called-you/">The Brand Called You</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Millen Umoh, LMFT
Millen Umoh is a New York State licensed psychotherapist currently practicing in Brooklyn, NY. She is a graduate of Pepperdine University with a Master's degree in Clinical Psychology. Millen specializes in working with individuals dealing with relationship break-ups, separation, divorce, unhealthy interpersonal relationship patterns, and other major life transitions. She also has extensive experience treating anxiety and mood disorders. Learn more about Millen on her website: www.millenumoh.com
 
In this episode we talk about:

Millen’s story, her specialty (and her former blog Psych and The Single Girl)

Unique challenges for therapists on the dating scene

Setting boundaries, having reciprocal conversations, receiving in addition to giving

When to talk about your profession while online dating

What happened when Millen told people she was unemployed

App dating – setting up your bio, what to disclose, how to present yourself

Red flags, when to left swipe

What to do if coming across clients on the app

How to address with clients if they become aware of your dating status

Social Media and informed consent to clarify boundaries

How to approach seeking long-term relationships, when in your career you might want to date

Options for getting out on the dating scene (online dating, app dating, getting out for live events, meeting organically)

Self-disclosure about dating – when it might be appropriate or how to show understanding and knowledge

The perks of dating when you’re a therapist

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Tinder
Bumble
Match.com
 
Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:
 Dual Relationships – Pros and Cons
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Dating as a Therapist: An interview with Millen Umoh, LMFT about navigating the single life as a therapist</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Millen Umoh, LMFT about navigating the single life as a therapist</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Millen Umoh, LMFT
Millen Umoh is a New York State licensed psychotherapist currently practicing in Brooklyn, NY. She is a graduate of Pepperdine University with a Master's degree in Clinical Psychology. Millen specializes in working with individuals dealing with relationship break-ups, separation, divorce, unhealthy interpersonal relationship patterns, and other major life transitions. She also has extensive experience treating anxiety and mood disorders. Learn more about Millen on her website: www.millenumoh.com
 
In this episode we talk about:

Millen’s story, her specialty (and her former blog Psych and The Single Girl)

Unique challenges for therapists on the dating scene

Setting boundaries, having reciprocal conversations, receiving in addition to giving

When to talk about your profession while online dating

What happened when Millen told people she was unemployed

App dating – setting up your bio, what to disclose, how to present yourself

Red flags, when to left swipe

What to do if coming across clients on the app

How to address with clients if they become aware of your dating status

Social Media and informed consent to clarify boundaries

How to approach seeking long-term relationships, when in your career you might want to date

Options for getting out on the dating scene (online dating, app dating, getting out for live events, meeting organically)

Self-disclosure about dating – when it might be appropriate or how to show understanding and knowledge

The perks of dating when you’re a therapist

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Tinder
Bumble
Match.com
 
Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:
 Dual Relationships – Pros and Cons
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>Millen’s story, her specialty (and her former blog Psych and The Single Girl)</li>
<li>Unique challenges for therapists on the dating scene</li>
<li>Setting boundaries, having reciprocal conversations, receiving in addition to giving</li>
<li>When to talk about your profession while online dating</li>
<li>What happened when Millen told people she was unemployed</li>
<li>App dating – setting up your bio, what to disclose, how to present yourself</li>
<li>Red flags, when to left swipe</li>
<li>What to do if coming across clients on the app</li>
<li>How to address with clients if they become aware of your dating status</li>
<li>Social Media and informed consent to clarify boundaries</li>
<li>How to approach seeking long-term relationships, when in your career you might want to date</li>
<li>Options for getting out on the dating scene (online dating, app dating, getting out for live events, meeting organically)</li>
<li>Self-disclosure about dating – when it might be appropriate or how to show understanding and knowledge</li>
<li>The perks of dating when you’re a therapist</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://tinder.com/?lang=en">Tinder</a></p><p><a href="https://bumble.com/">Bumble</a></p><p><a href="https://www.match.com/">Match.com</a></p><p> </p><p>Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode55/"> Dual Relationships – Pros and Cons</a></p><p>Our Next Event:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Dual Relationships – Pros and Cons</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How social media has made the world smaller

Personal branding, marketing, and the move away from the blank slate leading to dual relationships

Digital natives having extensive social media and digital presence before determining they want to be a therapist

Whether to express your opinions on non-therapy stuff

Distinguishing personal, private, and professional online, in-person, etc.

Showing respect, maintaining confidentiality, and boundaries

Encouraging discussions on how to navigate dual relationships correctly (rather than just saying “don’t do it” related to technology)

Translating milieu settings and small towns as templates for how to behave on social media

Curating personal disclosures online

Sharing your personal views does not mean you can discriminate

Whether therapists should do yelp reviews or share their opinions on current events

Healthy dual relationships

Whether or not to google clients or to view their social media

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Ofer Zur’s Article on Googling Clients
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Our Take on Texts
Small Town Sex Therapist
Our events this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Dual Relationships – Pros and Cons: Curt and Katie talk about how to avoid unhealthy and create healthy dual relationships as a therapist</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How social media has made the world smaller

Personal branding, marketing, and the move away from the blank slate leading to dual relationships

Digital natives having extensive social media and digital presence before determining they want to be a therapist

Whether to express your opinions on non-therapy stuff

Distinguishing personal, private, and professional online, in-person, etc.

Showing respect, maintaining confidentiality, and boundaries

Encouraging discussions on how to navigate dual relationships correctly (rather than just saying “don’t do it” related to technology)

Translating milieu settings and small towns as templates for how to behave on social media

Curating personal disclosures online

Sharing your personal views does not mean you can discriminate

Whether therapists should do yelp reviews or share their opinions on current events

Healthy dual relationships

Whether or not to google clients or to view their social media

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Ofer Zur’s Article on Googling Clients
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Our Take on Texts
Small Town Sex Therapist
Our events this year:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How social media has made the world smaller</li>
<li>Personal branding, marketing, and the move away from the blank slate leading to dual relationships</li>
<li>Digital natives having extensive social media and digital presence before determining they want to be a therapist</li>
<li>Whether to express your opinions on non-therapy stuff</li>
<li>Distinguishing personal, private, and professional online, in-person, etc.</li>
<li>Showing respect, maintaining confidentiality, and boundaries</li>
<li>Encouraging discussions on how to navigate dual relationships correctly (rather than just saying “don’t do it” related to technology)</li>
<li>Translating milieu settings and small towns as templates for how to behave on social media</li>
<li>Curating personal disclosures online</li>
<li>Sharing your personal views does not mean you can discriminate</li>
<li>Whether therapists should do yelp reviews or share their opinions on current events</li>
<li>Healthy dual relationships</li>
<li>Whether or not to google clients or to view their social media</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.zurinstitute.com/to_google_or_not_to_google.pdf">Ofer Zur’s Article on Googling Clients</a></p><p>Other Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode46/">Our Take on Texts</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode25/">Small Town Sex Therapist</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Managing Vicarious Trauma</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/managing-vicarious-trauma</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C
Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is a clinical social worker specializing in complex trauma in her private practice outside of Baltimore, Maryland. She is also the host of Therapy Chat podcast. Laura offers individual and group consultation with clinicians who work with trauma focusing on addressing the impact of vicarious trauma, as well as creating a trauma-informed practice. Connect with Laura at www.laurareaganlcswc.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Laura’s story

The definition of vicarious trauma

Preparation to manage crisis intervention, trauma response work, and being on-call

Self-care, debriefing, supportive supervision

The cumulative effects of hearing about clients’ traumatic experiences

Over-work and negative self-concept due to the need to keep people safe

Decreasing feelings of competence and safety

Distinction between vicarious trauma, burnout, and countertransference

The fight or flight response related to secondary traumatic stress

Offsetting the negative impacts of vicarious trauma

Building community and connection

The limits of incident debriefing and the need for therapists to process their own stuff that is brought up by vicarious trauma

The importance of personal therapy, consultation

Critical Incident Debriefing

Taking care of yourself within a trauma-informed practice

The danger of ignoring vicarious trauma (PTSD symptoms)

Managing your emotions without shutting down or becoming disregulated

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Therapy Chat Podcast
 Simple Self-Care for Therapists by Ashley Davis Bush
 Trauma Stewardship by Laura van Dernoot Lipsky
Laura Reagan’s Consultation
Laura Reagan’s On-Line Trauma Therapist Community
Laura’ Reagan’s In-Person Trauma Community
Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:
Therapist Safety
The Danger of Poor Self-Care
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Managing Vicarious Trauma: An interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C about coping with your client’s material as a therapist</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/c032c694-690e-11ed-9001-0ba1a8c7a2c3/image/Episode_54.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C about coping with your client’s material as a therapist</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C
Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is a clinical social worker specializing in complex trauma in her private practice outside of Baltimore, Maryland. She is also the host of Therapy Chat podcast. Laura offers individual and group consultation with clinicians who work with trauma focusing on addressing the impact of vicarious trauma, as well as creating a trauma-informed practice. Connect with Laura at www.laurareaganlcswc.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Laura’s story

The definition of vicarious trauma

Preparation to manage crisis intervention, trauma response work, and being on-call

Self-care, debriefing, supportive supervision

The cumulative effects of hearing about clients’ traumatic experiences

Over-work and negative self-concept due to the need to keep people safe

Decreasing feelings of competence and safety

Distinction between vicarious trauma, burnout, and countertransference

The fight or flight response related to secondary traumatic stress

Offsetting the negative impacts of vicarious trauma

Building community and connection

The limits of incident debriefing and the need for therapists to process their own stuff that is brought up by vicarious trauma

The importance of personal therapy, consultation

Critical Incident Debriefing

Taking care of yourself within a trauma-informed practice

The danger of ignoring vicarious trauma (PTSD symptoms)

Managing your emotions without shutting down or becoming disregulated

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Therapy Chat Podcast
 Simple Self-Care for Therapists by Ashley Davis Bush
 Trauma Stewardship by Laura van Dernoot Lipsky
Laura Reagan’s Consultation
Laura Reagan’s On-Line Trauma Therapist Community
Laura’ Reagan’s In-Person Trauma Community
Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:
Therapist Safety
The Danger of Poor Self-Care
Our Next Event:
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Laura Reagan, LCSW-C</p><p>Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is a clinical social worker specializing in complex trauma in her private practice outside of Baltimore, Maryland. She is also the host of Therapy Chat podcast. Laura offers individual and group consultation with clinicians who work with trauma focusing on addressing the impact of vicarious trauma, as well as creating a trauma-informed practice. Connect with Laura at <a href="http://www.laurareaganlcswc.com">www.laurareaganlcswc.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Laura’s story</li>
<li>The definition of vicarious trauma</li>
<li>Preparation to manage crisis intervention, trauma response work, and being on-call</li>
<li>Self-care, debriefing, supportive supervision</li>
<li>The cumulative effects of hearing about clients’ traumatic experiences</li>
<li>Over-work and negative self-concept due to the need to keep people safe</li>
<li>Decreasing feelings of competence and safety</li>
<li>Distinction between vicarious trauma, burnout, and countertransference</li>
<li>The fight or flight response related to secondary traumatic stress</li>
<li>Offsetting the negative impacts of vicarious trauma</li>
<li>Building community and connection</li>
<li>The limits of incident debriefing and the need for therapists to process their own stuff that is brought up by vicarious trauma</li>
<li>The importance of personal therapy, consultation</li>
<li>Critical Incident Debriefing</li>
<li>Taking care of yourself within a trauma-informed practice</li>
<li>The danger of ignoring vicarious trauma (PTSD symptoms)</li>
<li>Managing your emotions without shutting down or becoming disregulated</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.therapychatpodcast.com/">Therapy Chat Podcast</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Simple-Self-Care-Therapists-Restorative-Practices/dp/0393708373"> Simple Self-Care for Therapists</a> by Ashley Davis Bush</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Trauma-Stewardship-Everyday-Caring-Others-ebook/dp/B003BHM84K/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1526841732&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=trauma+stewardship"> Trauma Stewardship</a> by Laura van Dernoot Lipsky</p><p><a href="https://www.laurareaganlcswc.com/professionals/">Laura Reagan’s Consultation</a></p><p><a href="https://www.laurareaganlcswc.com/soar/">Laura Reagan’s On-Line Trauma Therapist Community</a></p><p><a href="https://www.laurareaganlcswc.com/inperson/">Laura’ Reagan’s In-Person Trauma Community</a></p><p>Relevant MTSG Podcast Episodes:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode38/">Therapist Safety</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode17/">The Danger of Poor Self-Care</a></p><p>Our Next Event:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Toxic Work Environments</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/toxic-work-environments</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How therapists can create toxic work environments for themselves and their teams

How therapists can make poor managers (and some suggestions on how to improve)

How to change your environment and when to leave it

How to assess if it is you, your work culture, or both

What makes an environment toxic: unclear or unreasonable expectations, lack of communication, illegal activities, predatory practices toward prelicensed individuals, gas lighting, too much venting

How to advocate (when you can)

What to do when you feel like you can’t leave

Coping strategies when you can’t leave right away (setting boundaries, avoiding the people who are always complaining, asking for what you need)

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Situational Leadership Model
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Giving and Getting Good Supervision
Getting the Supervision You Want
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Toxic Work Environments: Curt and Katie talk about how therapists can create, change, and cope with unhealthy workplaces</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about how therapists can create, change, and cope with unhealthy workplaces</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How therapists can create toxic work environments for themselves and their teams

How therapists can make poor managers (and some suggestions on how to improve)

How to change your environment and when to leave it

How to assess if it is you, your work culture, or both

What makes an environment toxic: unclear or unreasonable expectations, lack of communication, illegal activities, predatory practices toward prelicensed individuals, gas lighting, too much venting

How to advocate (when you can)

What to do when you feel like you can’t leave

Coping strategies when you can’t leave right away (setting boundaries, avoiding the people who are always complaining, asking for what you need)

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Situational Leadership Model
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Giving and Getting Good Supervision
Getting the Supervision You Want
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How therapists can create toxic work environments for themselves and their teams</li>
<li>How therapists can make poor managers (and some suggestions on how to improve)</li>
<li>How to change your environment and when to leave it</li>
<li>How to assess if it is you, your work culture, or both</li>
<li>What makes an environment toxic: unclear or unreasonable expectations, lack of communication, illegal activities, predatory practices toward prelicensed individuals, gas lighting, too much venting</li>
<li>How to advocate (when you can)</li>
<li>What to do when you feel like you can’t leave</li>
<li>Coping strategies when you can’t leave right away (setting boundaries, avoiding the people who are always complaining, asking for what you need)</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://leadership.kenblanchard.com/SLII-eBook-Download?gclid=Cj0KCQjwxN_XBRCFARIsAIufy1a-QVRKvXqqwntrWZUQwJRuDVBOhy4NCaP6DC5SPTCEyfAYpG3E6toaAqymEALw_wcB"> Situational Leadership Model</a></p><p>Other Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode28/">Giving and Getting Good Supervision</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode40/">Getting the Supervision You Want</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Delegating Virtually Anything</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/delegating-virtually-anything</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Uriah Guilford, MFT
Uriah Guilford is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, the owner of Guilford Family Counseling and the mastermind behind The Productive Therapist, a business that provides virtual assistants to therapy practice owners. He is a technology enthusiast, productivity nerd and a pretty rad drummer. Uriah is always searching for creative ways to provide counseling to youth and families as well as help therapists to get more done, while working less.
You can learn more about Uriah’s businesses here: www.productivetherapist.com and www.guilfordfamilycounseling.com
In this episode we talk about:

Improving efficiency through automation, delegation, and elimination

Differences between an in-person versus a virtual assistant

Managing Virtual Assistants (VAs) using technology

What therapists should delegate first

What to look for in a VA (qualities of successful VAs)

What skills to require and what you can train on

How to make the transition into delegating to a VA

The productivity dip that can happen when you hire someone

The issues and the best practices in adding a team member

Becoming efficient with templates and processes

Getting really good at delegating

What we should be doing – working on the business, CEO strategic thinking, client care

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Uriah’s new Virtual Assistant company: The Productive Therapist – mention the podcast to get 2 hours of free VA services
 Zoom Video Conferencing
SimplePractice
todoist
Quip.com
Trello
Asana
Google Docs
Useloom.com
 Alexa/Amazon Echo
 
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Delegating Virtually Anything: An interview with Uriah Guilford, MFT, on becoming a Productive Therapist by hiring a Virtual Assistant</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Uriah Guilford, MFT, on becoming a Productive Therapist by hiring a Virtual Assistant</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Uriah Guilford, MFT
Uriah Guilford is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, the owner of Guilford Family Counseling and the mastermind behind The Productive Therapist, a business that provides virtual assistants to therapy practice owners. He is a technology enthusiast, productivity nerd and a pretty rad drummer. Uriah is always searching for creative ways to provide counseling to youth and families as well as help therapists to get more done, while working less.
You can learn more about Uriah’s businesses here: www.productivetherapist.com and www.guilfordfamilycounseling.com
In this episode we talk about:

Improving efficiency through automation, delegation, and elimination

Differences between an in-person versus a virtual assistant

Managing Virtual Assistants (VAs) using technology

What therapists should delegate first

What to look for in a VA (qualities of successful VAs)

What skills to require and what you can train on

How to make the transition into delegating to a VA

The productivity dip that can happen when you hire someone

The issues and the best practices in adding a team member

Becoming efficient with templates and processes

Getting really good at delegating

What we should be doing – working on the business, CEO strategic thinking, client care

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Uriah’s new Virtual Assistant company: The Productive Therapist – mention the podcast to get 2 hours of free VA services
 Zoom Video Conferencing
SimplePractice
todoist
Quip.com
Trello
Asana
Google Docs
Useloom.com
 Alexa/Amazon Echo
 
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Uriah Guilford, MFT</p><p>Uriah Guilford is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, the owner of Guilford Family Counseling and the mastermind behind The Productive Therapist, a business that provides virtual assistants to therapy practice owners. He is a technology enthusiast, productivity nerd and a pretty rad drummer. Uriah is always searching for creative ways to provide counseling to youth and families as well as help therapists to get more done, while working less.</p><p>You can learn more about Uriah’s businesses here: <a href="http://www.productivetherapist.com">www.productivetherapist.com</a> and <a href="http://www.guilfordfamilycounseling.com">www.guilfordfamilycounseling.com</a></p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Improving efficiency through automation, delegation, and elimination</li>
<li>Differences between an in-person versus a virtual assistant</li>
<li>Managing Virtual Assistants (VAs) using technology</li>
<li>What therapists should delegate first</li>
<li>What to look for in a VA (qualities of successful VAs)</li>
<li>What skills to require and what you can train on</li>
<li>How to make the transition into delegating to a VA</li>
<li>The productivity dip that can happen when you hire someone</li>
<li>The issues and the best practices in adding a team member</li>
<li>Becoming efficient with templates and processes</li>
<li>Getting really good at delegating</li>
<li>What we should be doing – working on the business, CEO strategic thinking, client care</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Uriah’s new Virtual Assistant company: <a href="http://bit.ly/MTSGPodcast">The Productive Therapist</a> – mention the podcast to get 2 hours of free VA services</p><p><a href="https://d.docs.live.net/c2b564d98d95b825/Curt%20and%20Katie%20-%20Therapy%20Reimagined%20and%20Survival%20Guide/Show%20notes/zoom.us"> Zoom Video Conferencing</a></p><p><a href="https://ter.li/tr2018">SimplePractice</a></p><p><a href="https://en.todoist.com/">todoist</a></p><p><a href="https://quip.com/">Quip.com</a></p><p><a href="https://trello.com/">Trello</a></p><p><a href="https://asana.com/">Asana</a></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/docs/about/">Google Docs</a></p><p><a href="https://www.useloom.com/">Useloom.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/all-new-amazon-echo-speaker-with-wifi-alexa-dark-charcoal/dp/B06XCM9LJ4/ref=sr_1_1_acs_kn_product_lines_B06XCM9LJ4_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1525309958&amp;sr=8-1-acs&amp;keywords=amazon+echo"> Alexa/Amazon Echo</a></p><p> </p><p>Our events:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Referrals Done Right</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/referrals-done-right</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Calling people back

How much time to spend on making referrals

Horrible business and legal considerations like kickbacks, cartels, and antitrust issues

What we’re legally and ethically responsible for related to making referrals

Call logs and why they are useful

Keeping the best interest of the client in mind

What to call referrals from on-line directories and Facebook groups

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Other Episodes Mentioned:
In-Person Networking
The Brand Called You
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Referrals Done Right: Curt and Katie talk about the complications when referring out to other therapists</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Calling people back

How much time to spend on making referrals

Horrible business and legal considerations like kickbacks, cartels, and antitrust issues

What we’re legally and ethically responsible for related to making referrals

Call logs and why they are useful

Keeping the best interest of the client in mind

What to call referrals from on-line directories and Facebook groups

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Other Episodes Mentioned:
In-Person Networking
The Brand Called You
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Calling people back</li>
<li>How much time to spend on making referrals</li>
<li>Horrible business and legal considerations like kickbacks, cartels, and antitrust issues</li>
<li>What we’re legally and ethically responsible for related to making referrals</li>
<li>Call logs and why they are useful</li>
<li>Keeping the best interest of the client in mind</li>
<li>What to call referrals from on-line directories and Facebook groups</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Other Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode4/">In-Person Networking</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode50/">The Brand Called You</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>The Brand Called You</title>
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      <description>WE HEARD YOU AND WE’RE MOVING TO ONE EPISODE A WEEK!
ALSO… LISTEN TO THIS EPISODE NOW TO HEAR OUR SPECIAL COMMUNITY MEMBER CODE TO GET EXTENDED EARLY BIRD PRICING THROUGH FRIDAY 4/27/18 ON OUR LAW AND ETHICS WORKSHOP MAY 18TH, 2018!!
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The definition of Personal Branding and what it means for therapists

How to use your authentic voice

How to identify how best to present yourself

How you come across to others, especially to clients

Answering the question, what do I offer?

The danger of mimicking others

Professional bios versus authentic connection

Your professional persona

Why it is important to really represent who you are as a therapist

Ethical reasons to embrace your style (and communicate it well)

How to take off the blank screen or blank slate, looking at the self-exploration that’s needed

How our experiences and our values can impact treatment

Relevant ethics codes related to choosing who you work with, embracing your skill set, and rejecting clients based on demographics

What to put on your website

How fear can get in the way of effectively reaching your clients

How personal branding is the antidote to being “too niched.”

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Dr. Ben Caldwell’s Book Saving Psychotherapy
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Bad Marketing Decisions
What is a Modern Therapist
Are You Sure You’re a Specialist?
How Much is Too Much?
Building the Psyko Therapist Brand
The Fight to Save Psychotherapy
Therapists in Therapy
 
 
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 
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      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Brand Called You: Curt and Katie talk about personal branding for therapists</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about personal branding for therapists</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>WE HEARD YOU AND WE’RE MOVING TO ONE EPISODE A WEEK!
ALSO… LISTEN TO THIS EPISODE NOW TO HEAR OUR SPECIAL COMMUNITY MEMBER CODE TO GET EXTENDED EARLY BIRD PRICING THROUGH FRIDAY 4/27/18 ON OUR LAW AND ETHICS WORKSHOP MAY 18TH, 2018!!
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The definition of Personal Branding and what it means for therapists

How to use your authentic voice

How to identify how best to present yourself

How you come across to others, especially to clients

Answering the question, what do I offer?

The danger of mimicking others

Professional bios versus authentic connection

Your professional persona

Why it is important to really represent who you are as a therapist

Ethical reasons to embrace your style (and communicate it well)

How to take off the blank screen or blank slate, looking at the self-exploration that’s needed

How our experiences and our values can impact treatment

Relevant ethics codes related to choosing who you work with, embracing your skill set, and rejecting clients based on demographics

What to put on your website

How fear can get in the way of effectively reaching your clients

How personal branding is the antidote to being “too niched.”

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Dr. Ben Caldwell’s Book Saving Psychotherapy
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Bad Marketing Decisions
What is a Modern Therapist
Are You Sure You’re a Specialist?
How Much is Too Much?
Building the Psyko Therapist Brand
The Fight to Save Psychotherapy
Therapists in Therapy
 
 
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 
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        <![CDATA[<p>WE HEARD YOU AND WE’RE MOVING TO ONE EPISODE A WEEK!</p><p>ALSO… LISTEN TO THIS EPISODE <em>NOW</em> TO HEAR OUR SPECIAL COMMUNITY MEMBER CODE TO GET EXTENDED EARLY BIRD PRICING THROUGH FRIDAY 4/27/18 ON OUR LAW AND ETHICS WORKSHOP MAY 18TH, 2018!!</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The definition of Personal Branding and what it means for therapists</li>
<li>How to use your authentic voice</li>
<li>How to identify how best to present yourself</li>
<li>How you come across to others, especially to clients</li>
<li>Answering the question, what do I offer?</li>
<li>The danger of mimicking others</li>
<li>Professional bios versus authentic connection</li>
<li>Your professional persona</li>
<li>Why it is important to really represent who you are as a therapist</li>
<li>Ethical reasons to embrace your style (and communicate it well)</li>
<li>How to take off the blank screen or blank slate, looking at the self-exploration that’s needed</li>
<li>How our experiences and our values can impact treatment</li>
<li>Relevant ethics codes related to choosing who you work with, embracing your skill set, and rejecting clients based on demographics</li>
<li>What to put on your website</li>
<li>How fear can get in the way of effectively reaching your clients</li>
<li>How personal branding is the antidote to being “too niched.”</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0988875969">Dr. Ben Caldwell’s Book Saving Psychotherapy</a></p><p>Other Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode34/">Bad Marketing Decisions</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode1/">What is a Modern Therapist</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode30/">Are You Sure You’re a Specialist?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode10/">How Much is Too Much?</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode45/">Building the Psyko Therapist Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode31/">The Fight to Save Psychotherapy</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode48/">Therapists in Therapy</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Building Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/building-hope-for-the-next-generation-of-therapists</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Robin Andersen, LMFT, the Founder of Prelicensed
Robin Andersen is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT 100070), the Founder of Prelicensed, the Business Development Manager for TrackYourHours and TrackYourCEUs, and the President of the San Diego North County Chapter of CAMFT. She is passionate about supporting prelicensed MFTs and enjoys focusing on numerous aspects of the MFT field, including entrepreneurship, leadership, and advocacy. Robin strives to create resources that serve the MFT community and move the profession forward. You can learn more about her current and upcoming projects (including the Psychotherapy Forums) by visiting her website.
In this episode we talk about:

Why she started prelicensed.com and explaining her other current projects, trackyourhours and trackyourceus

Robin’s assessment of the gaps in the field for students, trainees, and associates

The #postthepay campaign and how prelicensed individuals can navigate job searching

The different explanations Robin has heard about why people don’t pay interns and associates

The importance of getting mentorship

Getting and giving support and mentorship

How to advocate as a prelicensed individual

How prelicensed individuals can get in their own way

Robin’s best tips for successfully moving forward in the career

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Prelicensed

Job Search


Blog Articles, including:

"Does Non-Bilingual Mean Non-Employable?"

"An Attendee's Guide to BBS Board Meetings"

TrackYourCEUs
TrackYourHours
 
Dr. Ben Caldwell
CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)
AAMFT (American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)
BBS (Board of Behavioral Sciences)
 
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Building Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists: An interview with Robin Andersen, LMFT, the Founder of Prelicensed</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Robin Andersen, LMFT, the Founder of Prelicensed</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Robin Andersen, LMFT, the Founder of Prelicensed
Robin Andersen is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT 100070), the Founder of Prelicensed, the Business Development Manager for TrackYourHours and TrackYourCEUs, and the President of the San Diego North County Chapter of CAMFT. She is passionate about supporting prelicensed MFTs and enjoys focusing on numerous aspects of the MFT field, including entrepreneurship, leadership, and advocacy. Robin strives to create resources that serve the MFT community and move the profession forward. You can learn more about her current and upcoming projects (including the Psychotherapy Forums) by visiting her website.
In this episode we talk about:

Why she started prelicensed.com and explaining her other current projects, trackyourhours and trackyourceus

Robin’s assessment of the gaps in the field for students, trainees, and associates

The #postthepay campaign and how prelicensed individuals can navigate job searching

The different explanations Robin has heard about why people don’t pay interns and associates

The importance of getting mentorship

Getting and giving support and mentorship

How to advocate as a prelicensed individual

How prelicensed individuals can get in their own way

Robin’s best tips for successfully moving forward in the career

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Prelicensed

Job Search


Blog Articles, including:

"Does Non-Bilingual Mean Non-Employable?"

"An Attendee's Guide to BBS Board Meetings"

TrackYourCEUs
TrackYourHours
 
Dr. Ben Caldwell
CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)
AAMFT (American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)
BBS (Board of Behavioral Sciences)
 
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Robin Andersen, LMFT, the Founder of Prelicensed</p><p>Robin Andersen is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT 100070), the Founder of <a href="http://www.prelicensed.com/">Prelicensed</a>, the Business Development Manager for <a href="http://www.trackyourhours.com/">TrackYourHours</a> and <a href="http://www.trackyourceus.com/">TrackYourCEUs</a>, and the President of the <a href="http://sdnc-camft.org/">San Diego North County Chapter of CAMFT</a>. She is passionate about supporting prelicensed MFTs and enjoys focusing on numerous aspects of the MFT field, including entrepreneurship, leadership, and advocacy. Robin strives to create resources that serve the MFT community and move the profession forward. You can learn more about her current and upcoming projects (including the <a href="http://psychotherapyforums.com/">Psychotherapy Forums</a>) by visiting her <a href="http://robinandersen.net/">website</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Why she started prelicensed.com and explaining her other current projects, trackyourhours and trackyourceus</li>
<li>Robin’s assessment of the gaps in the field for students, trainees, and associates</li>
<li>The #postthepay campaign and how prelicensed individuals can navigate job searching</li>
<li>The different explanations Robin has heard about why people don’t pay interns and associates</li>
<li>The importance of getting mentorship</li>
<li>Getting and giving support and mentorship</li>
<li>How to advocate as a prelicensed individual</li>
<li>How prelicensed individuals can get in their own way</li>
<li>Robin’s best tips for successfully moving forward in the career</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.prelicensed.com/">Prelicensed</a></p><ul>
<li><a href="http://prelicensed.com/jobs/">Job Search</a></li>
<li>
<a href="http://prelicensed.com/blog/">Blog Articles</a>, including:</li>
<li><a href="http://prelicensed.com/blog/does-non-bilingual-mean-non-employable/">"Does Non-Bilingual Mean Non-Employable?"</a></li>
<li><a href="http://prelicensed.com/blog/attendees-guide-bbs-board-meetings/">"An Attendee's Guide to BBS Board Meetings"</a></li>
</ul><p><a href="http://www.trackyourceus.com/">TrackYourCEUs</a></p><p><a href="http://www.trackyourhours.com/">TrackYourHours</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="https://bencaldwelllabs.com/">Dr. Ben Caldwell</a></p><p><a href="http://www.camft.org/">CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.aamft.org/">AAMFT (American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists</a>)</p><p><a href="http://www.bbs.ca.gov/">BBS (Board of Behavioral Sciences)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our events:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Therapists In Therapy</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapists-in-therapy</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How to find a therapist (and all of the challenges in finding the right therapist)

The potential for a dual relationship and making sure that you can navigate it

The stigma related to shopping for a new therapist

Finding someone who is further along in the career and very skilled to be your therapist

Whether or not therapy should be a requirement in grad school

Whether you can be a good therapist if you’ve never been a therapy client

The importance of using therapy to address current mental health concerns as well as vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue, burnout, and the stresses of being a private practitioner

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Articles:
 Counselling psychologists' perceptions of the impact of mandatory personal therapy on professional development--an exploratory study
 Psychotherapy trainees’ experiences of their own mandatory personal therapy raise “serious ethical considerations”
 Therapy for Therapists
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Bad Marketing Decisions
Finding Your Blind Spots
Be a Better Therapist
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <itunes:title>Therapists In Therapy: Curt and Katie talk about the complexity of seeking out your own counseling as a therapist</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about the complexity of seeking out your own counseling as a therapist</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How to find a therapist (and all of the challenges in finding the right therapist)

The potential for a dual relationship and making sure that you can navigate it

The stigma related to shopping for a new therapist

Finding someone who is further along in the career and very skilled to be your therapist

Whether or not therapy should be a requirement in grad school

Whether you can be a good therapist if you’ve never been a therapy client

The importance of using therapy to address current mental health concerns as well as vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue, burnout, and the stresses of being a private practitioner

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Articles:
 Counselling psychologists' perceptions of the impact of mandatory personal therapy on professional development--an exploratory study
 Psychotherapy trainees’ experiences of their own mandatory personal therapy raise “serious ethical considerations”
 Therapy for Therapists
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Bad Marketing Decisions
Finding Your Blind Spots
Be a Better Therapist
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How to find a therapist (and all of the challenges in finding the right therapist)</li>
<li>The potential for a dual relationship and making sure that you can navigate it</li>
<li>The stigma related to shopping for a new therapist</li>
<li>Finding someone who is further along in the career and very skilled to be your therapist</li>
<li>Whether or not therapy should be a requirement in grad school</li>
<li>Whether you can be a good therapist if you’ve never been a therapy client</li>
<li>The importance of using therapy to address current mental health concerns as well as vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue, burnout, and the stresses of being a private practitioner</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Articles:</p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09515070110101469?src=recsys"> Counselling psychologists' perceptions of the impact of mandatory personal therapy on professional development--an exploratory study</a></p><p><a href="https://digest.bps.org.uk/2018/03/16/psychotherapy-trainees-experiences-of-their-own-mandatory-personal-therapy-raise-serious-ethical-considerations/amp/?__twitter_impression=true"> Psychotherapy trainees’ experiences of their own mandatory personal therapy raise “serious ethical considerations”</a></p><p><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sacramento-street-psychiatry/201109/therapy-therapists?amp"> Therapy for Therapists</a></p><p>Other Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode34/">Bad Marketing Decisions</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode36/">Finding Your Blind Spots</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode39/">Be a Better Therapist</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>The 4-1-1 on Your 401K</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-4-1-1-on-your-401k</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Katrina Soelter, CFP
Katrina Strelow Soelter is a Financial Advisor with the Zeutzius, Hutchinson, Sosa Wealth Management Group of Wells Fargo Advisors. She received her undergraduate degree at UC Berkeley in Philosophy and German. After graduation, she taught elementary school in the Bay Area, during which time she received her MA from Loyola Marymount University. Motivated by her interest in personal finance and her passion for helping individuals define and achieve the life they want, she changed careers and began working with The Zeutzius, Hutchinson, Sosa Wealth Management Group at Wells Fargo Advisors in 2013. She attended UCLA extension for her CFP® coursework and is a proud CFP® practitioner.
She enjoys exploring the different LA neighborhoods, reading a good book, finding local coffee shops, and giving back to her community. She volunteers as a mentor with the Fulfillment Fund and participates with the Financial Planning Association of Los Angeles, organizations that are close to her heart. She is a member of the Financial Planning Association of Los Angeles, the Cal Alumni Association, and an activator with SheEO.
In this episode we talk about:

Why people should invest their money

How to prioritize and balance paying down debt (like student loans) with investing early for retirement and purchasing a home

Thinking about your savings in buckets (long-term retirement, emergency fund, fun/intermediate planning)

Retirement account options, including the advantages of different retirement plans (SEP, Simple)

Self-directed investing (like Vanguard, Robo-advisors) and target date funds versus actively managed investing with a professional advisor

The differences between stocks and bonds and the importance of understanding the allocation of each within your investments

Fees to be aware of when investing

How and when to consult a professional financial advisor/certified financial planner

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Getting a hold of Katrina:
Katrina.Soelter@wfadvisors.com
www.zhswealthmanagementgroup.com
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>The 4-1-1 on Your 401K: An interview with Katrina Soelter, CFP about how to balance paying for the present and investing in the future</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Katrina Soelter, CFP about how to balance paying for the present and investing in the future</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Katrina Soelter, CFP
Katrina Strelow Soelter is a Financial Advisor with the Zeutzius, Hutchinson, Sosa Wealth Management Group of Wells Fargo Advisors. She received her undergraduate degree at UC Berkeley in Philosophy and German. After graduation, she taught elementary school in the Bay Area, during which time she received her MA from Loyola Marymount University. Motivated by her interest in personal finance and her passion for helping individuals define and achieve the life they want, she changed careers and began working with The Zeutzius, Hutchinson, Sosa Wealth Management Group at Wells Fargo Advisors in 2013. She attended UCLA extension for her CFP® coursework and is a proud CFP® practitioner.
She enjoys exploring the different LA neighborhoods, reading a good book, finding local coffee shops, and giving back to her community. She volunteers as a mentor with the Fulfillment Fund and participates with the Financial Planning Association of Los Angeles, organizations that are close to her heart. She is a member of the Financial Planning Association of Los Angeles, the Cal Alumni Association, and an activator with SheEO.
In this episode we talk about:

Why people should invest their money

How to prioritize and balance paying down debt (like student loans) with investing early for retirement and purchasing a home

Thinking about your savings in buckets (long-term retirement, emergency fund, fun/intermediate planning)

Retirement account options, including the advantages of different retirement plans (SEP, Simple)

Self-directed investing (like Vanguard, Robo-advisors) and target date funds versus actively managed investing with a professional advisor

The differences between stocks and bonds and the importance of understanding the allocation of each within your investments

Fees to be aware of when investing

How and when to consult a professional financial advisor/certified financial planner

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Getting a hold of Katrina:
Katrina.Soelter@wfadvisors.com
www.zhswealthmanagementgroup.com
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Katrina Soelter, CFP</p><p>Katrina Strelow Soelter is a Financial Advisor with the Zeutzius, Hutchinson, Sosa Wealth Management Group of Wells Fargo Advisors. She received her undergraduate degree at UC Berkeley in Philosophy and German. After graduation, she taught elementary school in the Bay Area, during which time she received her MA from Loyola Marymount University. Motivated by her interest in personal finance and her passion for helping individuals define and achieve the life they want, she changed careers and began working with The Zeutzius, Hutchinson, Sosa Wealth Management Group at Wells Fargo Advisors in 2013. She attended UCLA extension for her CFP® coursework and is a proud CFP® practitioner.</p><p>She enjoys exploring the different LA neighborhoods, reading a good book, finding local coffee shops, and giving back to her community. She volunteers as a mentor with the Fulfillment Fund and participates with the Financial Planning Association of Los Angeles, organizations that are close to her heart. She is a member of the Financial Planning Association of Los Angeles, the Cal Alumni Association, and an activator with SheEO.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Why people should invest their money</li>
<li>How to prioritize and balance paying down debt (like student loans) with investing early for retirement and purchasing a home</li>
<li>Thinking about your savings in buckets (long-term retirement, emergency fund, fun/intermediate planning)</li>
<li>Retirement account options, including the advantages of different retirement plans (SEP, Simple)</li>
<li>Self-directed investing (like Vanguard, Robo-advisors) and target date funds versus actively managed investing with a professional advisor</li>
<li>The differences between stocks and bonds and the importance of understanding the allocation of each within your investments</li>
<li>Fees to be aware of when investing</li>
<li>How and when to consult a professional financial advisor/certified financial planner</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Getting a hold of Katrina:</p><p><a href="mailto:Katrina.Soelter@wfadvisors.com">Katrina.Soelter@wfadvisors.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.zhswealthmanagementgroup.com">www.zhswealthmanagementgroup.com</a></p><p>Our events:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Our Take on Texts</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

A disciplinary action related to a therapist accidentally texting her client with something the client found offensive

An argument made related to whether or not therapists should ever text with their clients

Informed consent related to texting (including when your signed consent doesn’t protect you)

Why it is important to think closely about anything you’re putting out there in texts, social media, or any written communication

How to manage boundaries related to potentially being available 24/7 when your clients text

How to discuss with your client any missteps with boundaries

Telehealth considerations

Password protecting your phone

Decreasing your liability by making sure you’re HIPAA compliant

Email mistakes that aren’t really protected by your email disclaimer

All the nuances that can be misunderstood while texting – emojis, punctuation, abbreviations

How to handle private messaging on social media

How to engage in our Facebook Group

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Board of Behavioral Sciences
Disciplinary Actions by the CA BBS
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
Articles:
 The Legalities and Ethics of Texting Your Psychotherapy Clients
 Psychotherapy by emoji: Mental health community wrestles with texting
 Text therapy: once my therapist sent me an emoji, I knew it was game over
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Making Your Paperwork Meaningful
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Our Take on Texts: Curt and Katie talk about how texting clients can go wrong</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

A disciplinary action related to a therapist accidentally texting her client with something the client found offensive

An argument made related to whether or not therapists should ever text with their clients

Informed consent related to texting (including when your signed consent doesn’t protect you)

Why it is important to think closely about anything you’re putting out there in texts, social media, or any written communication

How to manage boundaries related to potentially being available 24/7 when your clients text

How to discuss with your client any missteps with boundaries

Telehealth considerations

Password protecting your phone

Decreasing your liability by making sure you’re HIPAA compliant

Email mistakes that aren’t really protected by your email disclaimer

All the nuances that can be misunderstood while texting – emojis, punctuation, abbreviations

How to handle private messaging on social media

How to engage in our Facebook Group

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Board of Behavioral Sciences
Disciplinary Actions by the CA BBS
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
Articles:
 The Legalities and Ethics of Texting Your Psychotherapy Clients
 Psychotherapy by emoji: Mental health community wrestles with texting
 Text therapy: once my therapist sent me an emoji, I knew it was game over
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Making Your Paperwork Meaningful
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>A disciplinary action related to a therapist accidentally texting her client with something the client found offensive</li>
<li>An argument made related to whether or not therapists should ever text with their clients</li>
<li>Informed consent related to texting (including when your signed consent doesn’t protect you)</li>
<li>Why it is important to think closely about anything you’re putting out there in texts, social media, or any written communication</li>
<li>How to manage boundaries related to potentially being available 24/7 when your clients text</li>
<li>How to discuss with your client any missteps with boundaries</li>
<li>Telehealth considerations</li>
<li>Password protecting your phone</li>
<li>Decreasing your liability by making sure you’re HIPAA compliant</li>
<li>Email mistakes that aren’t really protected by your email disclaimer</li>
<li>All the nuances that can be misunderstood while texting – emojis, punctuation, abbreviations</li>
<li>How to handle private messaging on social media</li>
<li>How to engage in our Facebook Group</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.bbs.ca.gov/">California Board of Behavioral Sciences</a></p><p><a href="http://www.bbs.ca.gov/consumers/enforcement_actions.html">Disciplinary Actions by the CA BBS</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p>Articles:</p><p><a href="https://therapymarketinginstitute.com/legalities-ethics-texting-psychotherapy-clients/?doing_wp_cron=1520899147.2767128944396972656250"> The Legalities and Ethics of Texting Your Psychotherapy Clients</a></p><p><a href="https://www.statnews.com/2015/11/30/psychotherapy-texting-mental-health/"> Psychotherapy by emoji: Mental health community wrestles with texting</a></p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jul/09/text-therapy-actually-work-talkspace-emoji"> Text therapy: once my therapist sent me an emoji, I knew it was game over</a></p><p>Other Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode35/">Making Your Paperwork Meaningful</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Building the “Psyko Therapist” Brand</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Embracing your own personal brand works when you own what you do
Using video can be an effective way of promoting mental wellness
Video has built therapeutic relationship prior to patients coming in for the first session
Pulling in a lot of different identities works best when bringing it together with your passion
Everyone has their own relationship with failure
Livesteam failures and handling online trolls
Therapists and other mental health professionals are the most critical of the crafted brand
Advertise where people are: social media
Humor eases anxieties around mental health issues
Therapists underestimate the power of being themselves
Being appropriately authentic
Find your social support system to better yourself
 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Jax Anderson’s website
The Psyko therapist youtube channel
The Psyko therapist Instagram
A Beautiful Journey Clinic
John Mulaney
 
Previous Episodes Mentioned:
Bad Marketing Decisions
Social Media and Video Marketing
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Building the “Psyko Therapist” Brand: An Interview with Jax Anderson</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Jax Anderson</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Embracing your own personal brand works when you own what you do
Using video can be an effective way of promoting mental wellness
Video has built therapeutic relationship prior to patients coming in for the first session
Pulling in a lot of different identities works best when bringing it together with your passion
Everyone has their own relationship with failure
Livesteam failures and handling online trolls
Therapists and other mental health professionals are the most critical of the crafted brand
Advertise where people are: social media
Humor eases anxieties around mental health issues
Therapists underestimate the power of being themselves
Being appropriately authentic
Find your social support system to better yourself
 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Jax Anderson’s website
The Psyko therapist youtube channel
The Psyko therapist Instagram
A Beautiful Journey Clinic
John Mulaney
 
Previous Episodes Mentioned:
Bad Marketing Decisions
Social Media and Video Marketing
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Embracing your own personal brand works when you own what you do</p><p>Using video can be an effective way of promoting mental wellness</p><p>Video has built therapeutic relationship prior to patients coming in for the first session</p><p>Pulling in a lot of different identities works best when bringing it together with your passion</p><p>Everyone has their own relationship with failure</p><p>Livesteam failures and handling online trolls</p><p>Therapists and other mental health professionals are the most critical of the crafted brand</p><p>Advertise where people are: social media</p><p>Humor eases anxieties around mental health issues</p><p>Therapists underestimate the power of being themselves</p><p>Being appropriately authentic</p><p>Find your social support system to better yourself</p><p> Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.psykotherapist.com/">Jax Anderson’s website</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCduI5G5H7ecjKp_5cRrit_Q">The Psyko therapist youtube channel</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/thepsykotherapist/">The Psyko therapist Instagram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/2abeautifuljourney/?ref=br_rs">A Beautiful Journey Clinic</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3466z8Xsf0">John Mulaney</a></p><p> </p><p>Previous Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode34/">Bad Marketing Decisions</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode2/">Social Media and Video Marketing</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <description>Episode 44: Interview Strategies for Therapists:
Curt and Katie talk about Interviewing for Mental Health Jobs
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode, we discuss:
-Filling out applications correctly
-Phone screening process
-Different types of interview structures
-How to handle questions about theory or your practice style
-What employers are looking for
-Professionalism during the interview process
-Deal breakers for employers
-Extroverted vs introverted answers
Previous Episodes Mentioned:
Getting a J-O-B
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 
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      <itunes:summary>Episode 44: Interview Strategies for Therapists:
Curt and Katie talk about Interviewing for Mental Health Jobs
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode, we discuss:
-Filling out applications correctly
-Phone screening process
-Different types of interview structures
-How to handle questions about theory or your practice style
-What employers are looking for
-Professionalism during the interview process
-Deal breakers for employers
-Extroverted vs introverted answers
Previous Episodes Mentioned:
Getting a J-O-B
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 
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        <![CDATA[<p>Episode 44: Interview Strategies for Therapists:</p><p>Curt and Katie talk about Interviewing for Mental Health Jobs</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode, we discuss:</p><p>-Filling out applications correctly</p><p>-Phone screening process</p><p>-Different types of interview structures</p><p>-How to handle questions about theory or your practice style</p><p>-What employers are looking for</p><p>-Professionalism during the interview process</p><p>-Deal breakers for employers</p><p>-Extroverted vs introverted answers</p><p>Previous Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode42/">Getting a J-O-B</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Be the CEO of your SEO</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/be-the-ceo-of-your-seo</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
SEO is making sure that search engines understand what your business is about
Sign up for Google My Business
Make sure that your website has appropriate title tags and descriptions
SEO research doesn’t necessarily apply to small businesses
Use synonyms for aspects of your business
Backlinks to other related websites improves your SEO
Guest blogs on others websites should link back to your website
Steady increases are more natural to search engines rather than flooding all at once
Write specific service pages for each type of different services
Links should be spread around to the different service pages
Page ranks are boosted by links that determine the importance in search engine rankings
Have a strategy for blogging &amp; social media that fits with what you are able to provide
Brightervision.com/katiecurt for one month of free website
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Perry Rosenbloom at Brighter Vision
Google My Business
Free month of Brighter Vision!
 
Previous Episodes Mentioned:
Creating Relevant Ads
 
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Be the CEO of your SEO An Interview with Perry Rosenbloom of Brighter Vision about Search Engine Optimization</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Perry Rosenbloom of Brighter Vision about Search Engine Optimization</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
SEO is making sure that search engines understand what your business is about
Sign up for Google My Business
Make sure that your website has appropriate title tags and descriptions
SEO research doesn’t necessarily apply to small businesses
Use synonyms for aspects of your business
Backlinks to other related websites improves your SEO
Guest blogs on others websites should link back to your website
Steady increases are more natural to search engines rather than flooding all at once
Write specific service pages for each type of different services
Links should be spread around to the different service pages
Page ranks are boosted by links that determine the importance in search engine rankings
Have a strategy for blogging &amp; social media that fits with what you are able to provide
Brightervision.com/katiecurt for one month of free website
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Perry Rosenbloom at Brighter Vision
Google My Business
Free month of Brighter Vision!
 
Previous Episodes Mentioned:
Creating Relevant Ads
 
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>SEO is making sure that search engines understand what your business is about</p><p>Sign up for Google My Business</p><p>Make sure that your website has appropriate title tags and descriptions</p><p>SEO research doesn’t necessarily apply to small businesses</p><p>Use synonyms for aspects of your business</p><p>Backlinks to other related websites improves your SEO</p><p>Guest blogs on others websites should link back to your website</p><p>Steady increases are more natural to search engines rather than flooding all at once</p><p>Write specific service pages for each type of different services</p><p>Links should be spread around to the different service pages</p><p>Page ranks are boosted by links that determine the importance in search engine rankings</p><p>Have a strategy for blogging &amp; social media that fits with what you are able to provide</p><p>Brightervision.com/katiecurt for one month of free website</p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Perry Rosenbloom at <a href="http://www.brightervision.com/">Brighter Vision</a></p><p><a href="http://www.google.com/mybusiness">Google My Business</a></p><p>Free month of <a href="http://www.brightervision.com/katiecurt">Brighter Vision</a>!</p><p> </p><p>Previous Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode37/">Creating Relevant Ads</a></p><p> </p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Getting a J-O-B</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/getting-a-j-o-b</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode, we discuss:
Summer is a good time for job training due to a lesser client load
Agencies provide exposure to more clients
Check for jobs online and through in-person networking
Early private practice presence allows for someone else to cover early overhead expenses
Clean up your online presence
Resumes and cover letters need to look good, but might not be read in depth
Tailor your skills responsibilities from previous jobs to the job you are applying for
Thematic experience is stronger…if it fits your plan
Resumes and CVs can be multiple pages
Make sure that your references are going to be good references for your
Not all experience needs to be clinical
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Getting a J-O-B Curt and Katie talk about how to approach the therapist job market</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode, we discuss:
Summer is a good time for job training due to a lesser client load
Agencies provide exposure to more clients
Check for jobs online and through in-person networking
Early private practice presence allows for someone else to cover early overhead expenses
Clean up your online presence
Resumes and cover letters need to look good, but might not be read in depth
Tailor your skills responsibilities from previous jobs to the job you are applying for
Thematic experience is stronger…if it fits your plan
Resumes and CVs can be multiple pages
Make sure that your references are going to be good references for your
Not all experience needs to be clinical
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode, we discuss:</p><p>Summer is a good time for job training due to a lesser client load</p><p>Agencies provide exposure to more clients</p><p>Check for jobs online and through in-person networking</p><p>Early private practice presence allows for someone else to cover early overhead expenses</p><p>Clean up your online presence</p><p>Resumes and cover letters need to look good, but might not be read in depth</p><p>Tailor your skills responsibilities from previous jobs to the job you are applying for</p><p>Thematic experience is stronger…if it fits your plan</p><p>Resumes and CVs can be multiple pages</p><p>Make sure that your references are going to be good references for your</p><p>Not all experience needs to be clinical</p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Liz Dube, MA, MS, Certified Sex Therapist
Liz Dube – Is a Sex and Relationship Therapist, Speaker, and Blogger who is passionate about helping others increase intimacy and sexual satisfaction in their relationships. She loves speaking on any topic related to sex and intimacy and she has a private practice in Long Beach &amp; Huntington Beach, CA where she helps men, women, and couples get empowered about sex. Please visit her website where she blogs regularly about sex and intimacy: www.talksexwithliz.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Liz’ story and why she became a sex therapist

What therapists get wrong when talking about sex with their therapy clients

Myths about sex that even some therapists believe

Why people come to sex therapy

When therapists should be talking with their clients about their sex lives

Assessing sexual functioning

Language to use when talking about sex and how to desensitize yourself to common language

When to seek consultation and when to refer out

How therapists can experience shame and judgment related to impostor syndrome (e.g., the divorced marriage therapist)

Common misconceptions about sex therapists

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Liz’s website
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Liz Dube, MA, MS, Certified Sex Therapist
Liz Dube – Is a Sex and Relationship Therapist, Speaker, and Blogger who is passionate about helping others increase intimacy and sexual satisfaction in their relationships. She loves speaking on any topic related to sex and intimacy and she has a private practice in Long Beach &amp; Huntington Beach, CA where she helps men, women, and couples get empowered about sex. Please visit her website where she blogs regularly about sex and intimacy: www.talksexwithliz.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Liz’ story and why she became a sex therapist

What therapists get wrong when talking about sex with their therapy clients

Myths about sex that even some therapists believe

Why people come to sex therapy

When therapists should be talking with their clients about their sex lives

Assessing sexual functioning

Language to use when talking about sex and how to desensitize yourself to common language

When to seek consultation and when to refer out

How therapists can experience shame and judgment related to impostor syndrome (e.g., the divorced marriage therapist)

Common misconceptions about sex therapists

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Liz’s website
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Liz Dube, MA, MS, Certified Sex Therapist</p><p>Liz Dube – Is a Sex and Relationship Therapist, Speaker, and Blogger who is passionate about helping others increase intimacy and sexual satisfaction in their relationships. She loves speaking on any topic related to sex and intimacy and she has a private practice in Long Beach &amp; Huntington Beach, CA where she helps men, women, and couples get empowered about sex. Please visit her website where she blogs regularly about sex and intimacy: <a href="http://www.talksexwithliz.com/">www.talksexwithliz.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Liz’ story and why she became a sex therapist</li>
<li>What therapists get wrong when talking about sex with their therapy clients</li>
<li>Myths about sex that even some therapists believe</li>
<li>Why people come to sex therapy</li>
<li>When therapists should be talking with their clients about their sex lives</li>
<li>Assessing sexual functioning</li>
<li>Language to use when talking about sex and how to desensitize yourself to common language</li>
<li>When to seek consultation and when to refer out</li>
<li>How therapists can experience shame and judgment related to impostor syndrome (e.g., the divorced marriage therapist)</li>
<li>Common misconceptions about sex therapists</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.talksexwithliz.com/">Liz’s website</a></p><p>Our events:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a>.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a>.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Our fan mail!

Conversations happening in the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Facebook Group

How to find the best supervisor you can

Questions to ask in an interview, to determine their supervision style, the personality fit, and their capabilities

Common mistakes supervisors can make in both group and individual supervision

The different aspects of supervision: Clinical, Administrative/Logistical, and Professional Development

Goal-setting for both individual and group supervision

Choosing a supervisor as well as making the best of supervision

Speaking about the process in the supervision room

The challenges related to the power differential

Evaluation and space for feedback

Getting live supervision

Preparing for supervision

Seeking outside supervision when you’re not getting what you need from your assigned supervisor

What to settle for and what to advocate for

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Board of Behavioral Sciences
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Giving and Getting Good Supervision
Finding Your Blind Spots (Deliberate Practice Part 1)
Be a Better Therapist (Deliberate Practice Part 2)
 
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Our fan mail!

Conversations happening in the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Facebook Group

How to find the best supervisor you can

Questions to ask in an interview, to determine their supervision style, the personality fit, and their capabilities

Common mistakes supervisors can make in both group and individual supervision

The different aspects of supervision: Clinical, Administrative/Logistical, and Professional Development

Goal-setting for both individual and group supervision

Choosing a supervisor as well as making the best of supervision

Speaking about the process in the supervision room

The challenges related to the power differential

Evaluation and space for feedback

Getting live supervision

Preparing for supervision

Seeking outside supervision when you’re not getting what you need from your assigned supervisor

What to settle for and what to advocate for

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Board of Behavioral Sciences
Other Episodes Mentioned:
Giving and Getting Good Supervision
Finding Your Blind Spots (Deliberate Practice Part 1)
Be a Better Therapist (Deliberate Practice Part 2)
 
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>Our fan mail!</li>
<li>Conversations happening in the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Facebook Group</li>
<li>How to find the best supervisor you can</li>
<li>Questions to ask in an interview, to determine their supervision style, the personality fit, and their capabilities</li>
<li>Common mistakes supervisors can make in both group and individual supervision</li>
<li>The different aspects of supervision: Clinical, Administrative/Logistical, and Professional Development</li>
<li>Goal-setting for both individual and group supervision</li>
<li>Choosing a supervisor as well as making the best of supervision</li>
<li>Speaking about the process in the supervision room</li>
<li>The challenges related to the power differential</li>
<li>Evaluation and space for feedback</li>
<li>Getting live supervision</li>
<li>Preparing for supervision</li>
<li>Seeking outside supervision when you’re not getting what you need from your assigned supervisor</li>
<li>What to settle for and what to advocate for</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.bbs.ca.gov/">California Board of Behavioral Sciences</a></p><p>Other Episodes Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode28/">Giving and Getting Good Supervision</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode36/">Finding Your Blind Spots (Deliberate Practice Part 1)</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode39/">Be a Better Therapist (Deliberate Practice Part 2)</a></p><p> </p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Be a Better Therapist</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Active vs Passive Learning
Continuing Education structure
Role plays as a learning tool
Working with clients outside of your comfort zone
Positive client outcomes
How practicing specific steps is necessary to improve
Going beyond the minimum continuing education requirements is necessary to become above average
Consultants can be found all over the world through technology
Cost factors in approaching your learning curve
Facebook groups aren’t the safest place to get the best feedback
Improving through specific areas comes with an ability to specialize and higher session fees
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Deliberate Practice:
Tony Rousmaniere
Previous Episodes Mentioned:
Saving Psychotherapy with Dr. Ben Caldwell
Finding Your Blind Spot: Deliberate Practice Part 1
Are You Sure You’re A Specialist?
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Be a Better Therapist: Curt and Katie talk about Deliberate Practice: Part 2</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Active vs Passive Learning
Continuing Education structure
Role plays as a learning tool
Working with clients outside of your comfort zone
Positive client outcomes
How practicing specific steps is necessary to improve
Going beyond the minimum continuing education requirements is necessary to become above average
Consultants can be found all over the world through technology
Cost factors in approaching your learning curve
Facebook groups aren’t the safest place to get the best feedback
Improving through specific areas comes with an ability to specialize and higher session fees
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Deliberate Practice:
Tony Rousmaniere
Previous Episodes Mentioned:
Saving Psychotherapy with Dr. Ben Caldwell
Finding Your Blind Spot: Deliberate Practice Part 1
Are You Sure You’re A Specialist?
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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      <title>Therapist Safety</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Information about a recent shooting incident at the Yountville Veteran’s Home

Risks that therapists can face

Making sure that you take care of your own safety first and foremost!

Screening for risk factors from the initial call throughout treatment

Best practices for safety in private practice, agencies, and community-based work

Field safety for home visits (including safety in numbers)

Advocating at your agency, in your community

Tarasoff and the interaction between Mental Health and Law Enforcement

Setting up your room so everyone feels safe

Commonsense practices to keep you safe

Grounding yourself for the work once you’ve made sure you’re safe

The impact of direct and secondary trauma

Take care of yourself

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 CNN Article: Three Women, Suspect Dead After Hostage Standoff in Yountville, California
Go Fund Me: Jenn Gonzales Shushereba Memorial
Community Members talking about this topic:
Nabil El-Ghoroury, PhD, CAE, Executive Director of California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists
Lauren Adams - @lcswhatever and her tweet about safety
Additional Articles on the Topic:
 Gun Violence: Prediction, Prevention, and Policy by the American Psychological Association
 APA Resources for Coping with Mass Shootings, Understanding Gun Violence
APA: Stay Safe in Practice
National Association of Social Workers Social Justice Brief:  Gun Violence in the American Culture
American Counseling Association:  Coping in the Aftermath of a Shooting
 Mass Shootings and Mental Illness
Violence Against Mental Health Professionals: When the Treater Becomes the Victim
 Homicides of Mental Health Workers by Patients: Review of Cases and Safety Recommendations
 Active Shooter Resources
 
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Therapist Safety: Curt’s and Katie’s call to action after the Yountville Veteran’s Home Shooting</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Information about a recent shooting incident at the Yountville Veteran’s Home

Risks that therapists can face

Making sure that you take care of your own safety first and foremost!

Screening for risk factors from the initial call throughout treatment

Best practices for safety in private practice, agencies, and community-based work

Field safety for home visits (including safety in numbers)

Advocating at your agency, in your community

Tarasoff and the interaction between Mental Health and Law Enforcement

Setting up your room so everyone feels safe

Commonsense practices to keep you safe

Grounding yourself for the work once you’ve made sure you’re safe

The impact of direct and secondary trauma

Take care of yourself

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 CNN Article: Three Women, Suspect Dead After Hostage Standoff in Yountville, California
Go Fund Me: Jenn Gonzales Shushereba Memorial
Community Members talking about this topic:
Nabil El-Ghoroury, PhD, CAE, Executive Director of California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists
Lauren Adams - @lcswhatever and her tweet about safety
Additional Articles on the Topic:
 Gun Violence: Prediction, Prevention, and Policy by the American Psychological Association
 APA Resources for Coping with Mass Shootings, Understanding Gun Violence
APA: Stay Safe in Practice
National Association of Social Workers Social Justice Brief:  Gun Violence in the American Culture
American Counseling Association:  Coping in the Aftermath of a Shooting
 Mass Shootings and Mental Illness
Violence Against Mental Health Professionals: When the Treater Becomes the Victim
 Homicides of Mental Health Workers by Patients: Review of Cases and Safety Recommendations
 Active Shooter Resources
 
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>Information about a recent shooting incident at the Yountville Veteran’s Home</li>
<li>Risks that therapists can face</li>
<li>Making sure that you take care of your own safety first and foremost!</li>
<li>Screening for risk factors from the initial call throughout treatment</li>
<li>Best practices for safety in private practice, agencies, and community-based work</li>
<li>Field safety for home visits (including safety in numbers)</li>
<li>Advocating at your agency, in your community</li>
<li>Tarasoff and the interaction between Mental Health and Law Enforcement</li>
<li>Setting up your room so everyone feels safe</li>
<li>Commonsense practices to keep you safe</li>
<li>Grounding yourself for the work once you’ve made sure you’re safe</li>
<li>The impact of direct and secondary trauma</li>
<li>Take care of yourself</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/09/us/gunfire-at-california-veterans-home/index.html"> CNN Article: Three Women, Suspect Dead After Hostage Standoff in Yountville, California</a></p><p><a href="https://www.gofundme.com/jennshushereba">Go Fund Me: Jenn Gonzales Shushereba Memorial</a></p><p>Community Members talking about this topic:</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/drnabil">Nabil El-Ghoroury, PhD, CAE</a>, Executive Director of <a href="http://www.camft.org/">California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/lcswhatever">Lauren Adams - @lcswhatever</a> and her <a href="https://twitter.com/lcswhatever/status/972772970639872000">tweet about safety</a></p><p>Additional Articles on the Topic:</p><p><a href="http://www.apa.org/pubs/info/reports/gun-violence-prevention.aspx"> Gun Violence: Prediction, Prevention, and Policy</a> by the <a href="http://www.apa.org/advocacy/gun-violence/index.aspx">American Psychological Association</a></p><p><a href="http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/10/mass-shootings.aspx"> APA Resources for Coping with Mass Shootings, Understanding Gun Violence</a></p><p><a href="http://www.apa.org/monitor/2008/04/client-violence.aspx">APA: Stay Safe in Practice</a></p><p>National Association of Social Workers Social Justice Brief: <a href="https://www.socialworkers.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=HlcEGsb8cy0%3d&amp;portalid=0"> Gun Violence in the American Culture</a></p><p>American Counseling Association: <a href="https://www.counseling.org/knowledge-center/coping-in-the-aftermath-of-a-shooting"> Coping in the Aftermath of a Shooting</a></p><p><a href="https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099"> Mass Shootings and Mental Illness</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074201/">Violence Against Mental Health Professionals: When the Treater Becomes the Victim</a></p><p><a href="https://www.healio.com/psychiatry/journals/psycann/2017-6-47-6/%7B1c2ae3c0-efa5-4d33-9c60-9d27075f163d%7D/homicides-of-mental-health-workers-by-patients-review-of-cases-and-safety-recommendations"> Homicides of Mental Health Workers by Patients: Review of Cases and Safety Recommendations</a></p><p><a href="https://www.fbi.gov/about/partnerships/office-of-partner-engagement/active-shooter-resources"> Active Shooter Resources</a></p><p> </p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Creating Relevant Ads</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Duane Osterlind, LMFT, CSAT
Duane Osterlind is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified Sex Addiction Therapist. He is the founder and Clinical Director of Novus Mindful Life Institute Family Counseling and Recovery Center in Long Beach, California and the creator and host of The Addicted Mind Podcast. Duane’s clinical focus is on treating individuals and couples struggling with process addictions using mindfulness and a task-centered approach. His mission, with all clients and their families, is to help people overcome life's challenges and find joy, happiness, and contentment. 
In addition to developing original, ground-breaking individual, couples, and family treatment programs, sharing his passion through public presentations, and conducting staff training workshops at educational and treatment centers, Duane enjoys his "hobby" of online marketing. In helping therapists connect with clients using online marketing he creates more possibilities for having a positive impact in the world. You can find Duane online at novusmindfullife.com, theaddictedmind.com, and adwordsfortherapists.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Duane’s story and how he got interested in Google Adwords

The benefits and risks of using Google Adwords to market your practice

How to show up in relevant Google searches

How to weed out people who aren’t really looking for you

How to get the best return on investment on your ad

Targeting by keywords, determining match type for your searches

How to write your ad

A/B Testing

Analytics and how to improve your return over time

Typical spends and ROI

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Google Adwords
Google Analytics
Duane’s Adwords for Therapists
Directories that Duane mentioned:
Psychology Today
Good Therapy
Theravive
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Creating Relevant Ads: An interview with Duane Osterlind, LMFT, CSAT, about Google Adwords for therapists</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Duane Osterlind, LMFT, CSAT, about Google Adwords for therapists</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Duane Osterlind, LMFT, CSAT
Duane Osterlind is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified Sex Addiction Therapist. He is the founder and Clinical Director of Novus Mindful Life Institute Family Counseling and Recovery Center in Long Beach, California and the creator and host of The Addicted Mind Podcast. Duane’s clinical focus is on treating individuals and couples struggling with process addictions using mindfulness and a task-centered approach. His mission, with all clients and their families, is to help people overcome life's challenges and find joy, happiness, and contentment. 
In addition to developing original, ground-breaking individual, couples, and family treatment programs, sharing his passion through public presentations, and conducting staff training workshops at educational and treatment centers, Duane enjoys his "hobby" of online marketing. In helping therapists connect with clients using online marketing he creates more possibilities for having a positive impact in the world. You can find Duane online at novusmindfullife.com, theaddictedmind.com, and adwordsfortherapists.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Duane’s story and how he got interested in Google Adwords

The benefits and risks of using Google Adwords to market your practice

How to show up in relevant Google searches

How to weed out people who aren’t really looking for you

How to get the best return on investment on your ad

Targeting by keywords, determining match type for your searches

How to write your ad

A/B Testing

Analytics and how to improve your return over time

Typical spends and ROI

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Google Adwords
Google Analytics
Duane’s Adwords for Therapists
Directories that Duane mentioned:
Psychology Today
Good Therapy
Theravive
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Duane Osterlind, LMFT, CSAT</p><p>Duane Osterlind is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified Sex Addiction Therapist. He is the founder and Clinical Director of Novus Mindful Life Institute Family Counseling and Recovery Center in Long Beach, California and the creator and host of The Addicted Mind Podcast. Duane’s clinical focus is on treating individuals and couples struggling with process addictions using mindfulness and a task-centered approach. His mission, with all clients and their families, is to help people overcome life's challenges and find joy, happiness, and contentment. </p><p>In addition to developing original, ground-breaking individual, couples, and family treatment programs, sharing his passion through public presentations, and conducting staff training workshops at educational and treatment centers, Duane enjoys his "hobby" of online marketing. In helping therapists connect with clients using online marketing he creates more possibilities for having a positive impact in the world. You can find Duane online at <a href="novusmindfullife.com">novusmindfullife.com</a>, <a href="theaddictedmind.com">theaddictedmind.com</a>, and <a href="adwordsfortherapists.com">adwordsfortherapists.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Duane’s story and how he got interested in Google Adwords</li>
<li>The benefits and risks of using Google Adwords to market your practice</li>
<li>How to show up in relevant Google searches</li>
<li>How to weed out people who aren’t really looking for you</li>
<li>How to get the best return on investment on your ad</li>
<li>Targeting by keywords, determining match type for your searches</li>
<li>How to write your ad</li>
<li>A/B Testing</li>
<li>Analytics and how to improve your return over time</li>
<li>Typical spends and ROI</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.google.com/AdWords">Google Adwords</a></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/analytics">Google Analytics</a></p><p><a href="adwordsfortherapists.com">Duane’s Adwords for Therapists</a></p><p>Directories that Duane mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/">Psychology Today</a></p><p><a href="https://www.goodtherapy.org/">Good Therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://www.theravive.com/">Theravive</a></p><p>Our events:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Finding Your Blind Spots</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/finding-your-blind-spots</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Finding someone better than you challenge you to improve

False Data that often supports our sense of how we good we are

How to know how well you’re doing with clients

Outcome measures, symptom relief, and clients feeling better

Why cases get stuck and why we should be focusing on these cases

Recording sessions and reviewing later to learn about your process and identify your blind spots

How important it is to continue your active learning

How the whole person therapist can bring their growth and training in the room

How to navigate when someone want you to be an expert – looking at your efficacy, cultural factors, and structuring your increased knowledge and growth

Listening closely to your clients

Getting on-going supervision, so someone can continue to push us to grow, identify what you’re missing

Asking to be challenged at your level of development

Identifying who can best supervise you and consult

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Deliberate Practice studies:
 Anders Ericcson
 Scott Miller
Previous episodes referenced:
Are You Sure You’re a Specialist?
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Finding Your Blind Spots: Curt and Katie talk about Deliberate Practice, Part 1</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Finding someone better than you challenge you to improve

False Data that often supports our sense of how we good we are

How to know how well you’re doing with clients

Outcome measures, symptom relief, and clients feeling better

Why cases get stuck and why we should be focusing on these cases

Recording sessions and reviewing later to learn about your process and identify your blind spots

How important it is to continue your active learning

How the whole person therapist can bring their growth and training in the room

How to navigate when someone want you to be an expert – looking at your efficacy, cultural factors, and structuring your increased knowledge and growth

Listening closely to your clients

Getting on-going supervision, so someone can continue to push us to grow, identify what you’re missing

Asking to be challenged at your level of development

Identifying who can best supervise you and consult

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Deliberate Practice studies:
 Anders Ericcson
 Scott Miller
Previous episodes referenced:
Are You Sure You’re a Specialist?
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Finding someone better than you challenge you to improve</li>
<li>False Data that often supports our sense of how we good we are</li>
<li>How to know how well you’re doing with clients</li>
<li>Outcome measures, symptom relief, and clients feeling better</li>
<li>Why cases get stuck and why we should be focusing on these cases</li>
<li>Recording sessions and reviewing later to learn about your process and identify your blind spots</li>
<li>How important it is to continue your active learning</li>
<li>How the whole person therapist can bring their growth and training in the room</li>
<li>How to navigate when someone want you to be an expert – looking at your efficacy, cultural factors, and structuring your increased knowledge and growth</li>
<li>Listening closely to your clients</li>
<li>Getting on-going supervision, so someone can continue to push us to grow, identify what you’re missing</li>
<li>Asking to be challenged at your level of development</li>
<li>Identifying who can best supervise you and consult</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Deliberate Practice studies:</p><p><a href="http://projects.ict.usc.edu/itw/gel/EricssonDeliberatePracticePR93.PDF"> Anders Ericcson</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Scott_Miller12/publication/281226287_The_Role_of_Deliberate_Practice_in_the_Development_of_Highly_Effective_Psychotherapists/links/55df232008aeaa26af109a7f/The-Role-of-Deliberate-Practice-in-the-Development-of-Highly-Effective-Psychotherapists.pdf"> Scott Miller</a></p><p>Previous episodes referenced:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode30/">Are You Sure You’re a Specialist?</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Make Your Paperwork Meaningful </title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/make-your-paperwork-meaningful</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Maelisa Hall, Psy.D.
Maelisa Hall, Psy.D. specializes in teaching therapists how to connect with their paperwork so it's more simple and more meaningful. The result? Rock solid documentation every therapist can be proud of! Check out her free online Private Practice Paperwork Crash Course, and get tips on improving your documentation today.
In this episode we talk about:

Maelisa’s story and why she’s so good at paperwork

How to make documentation meaningful to your practice

What your paperwork says about you

What kind of language to use in your progress notes

Improving your own quality assurance

Progress Note templates

Legal and ethical responsibilities for documentation

Consent for treatment considerations

Different policies you should probably consider

Medical necessity and the clinical loop

Treatment plan review

Thoughtful, deliberate treatment

How you’re probably overestimating your memory

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
QA Prep
My Biz Bestie Podcast
Maelisa’s Free Crash Course
Maelisa’s Paperwork Packet
Maelisa’s Meaningful Documentation Academy
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Make Your Paperwork Meaningful: An interview with Dr. Maelisa Hall about what you absolutely have to do and what you probably don’t need to worry about</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Dr. Maelisa Hall about what you absolutely have to do and what you probably don’t need to worry about</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Maelisa Hall, Psy.D.
Maelisa Hall, Psy.D. specializes in teaching therapists how to connect with their paperwork so it's more simple and more meaningful. The result? Rock solid documentation every therapist can be proud of! Check out her free online Private Practice Paperwork Crash Course, and get tips on improving your documentation today.
In this episode we talk about:

Maelisa’s story and why she’s so good at paperwork

How to make documentation meaningful to your practice

What your paperwork says about you

What kind of language to use in your progress notes

Improving your own quality assurance

Progress Note templates

Legal and ethical responsibilities for documentation

Consent for treatment considerations

Different policies you should probably consider

Medical necessity and the clinical loop

Treatment plan review

Thoughtful, deliberate treatment

How you’re probably overestimating your memory

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
QA Prep
My Biz Bestie Podcast
Maelisa’s Free Crash Course
Maelisa’s Paperwork Packet
Maelisa’s Meaningful Documentation Academy
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Maelisa Hall, Psy.D.</p><p>Maelisa Hall, Psy.D. specializes in teaching therapists how to connect with their paperwork so it's more simple and more meaningful. The result? Rock solid documentation every therapist can be proud of! Check out her free online Private Practice Paperwork Crash Course, and get tips on improving your documentation today.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Maelisa’s story and why she’s so good at paperwork</li>
<li>How to make documentation meaningful to your practice</li>
<li>What your paperwork says about you</li>
<li>What kind of language to use in your progress notes</li>
<li>Improving your own quality assurance</li>
<li>Progress Note templates</li>
<li>Legal and ethical responsibilities for documentation</li>
<li>Consent for treatment considerations</li>
<li>Different policies you should probably consider</li>
<li>Medical necessity and the clinical loop</li>
<li>Treatment plan review</li>
<li>Thoughtful, deliberate treatment</li>
<li>How you’re probably overestimating your memory</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.qaprep.com/">QA Prep</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mybizbestie.com/podcast/">My Biz Bestie Podcast</a></p><p><a href="https://www.qaprep.com/">Maelisa’s Free Crash Course</a></p><p><a href="https://www.qaprep.com/paperwork-packet/">Maelisa’s Paperwork Packet</a></p><p><a href="https://www.qaprep.com/academy/">Maelisa’s Meaningful Documentation Academy</a></p><p>Our events:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a>.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a>.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Bad Marketing Decisions</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/bad-marketing-decisions</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Similar, non-descript, cliché therapist marketing

Duplicating what other therapists do

Inauthentic personal branding

Ineffective marketing copy

Not having a call to action

Unclear or incomplete contact information

Not having a website or online presence at all

Headshots

Video missteps

Mistakes when creating printed marketing materials

How to stand out

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Psychology Today
Tiffany McClain – Hey Tiffany
Jax Anderson – The Psykotherapist
Fylmit.com
Previous episodes referenced:
In-Person Networking
Social Media and Video Marketing
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Bad Marketing Decisions: Curt and Katie talk about mistakes and missed opportunities for therapists creating a personal brand</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about mistakes and missed opportunities for therapists creating a personal brand</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Similar, non-descript, cliché therapist marketing

Duplicating what other therapists do

Inauthentic personal branding

Ineffective marketing copy

Not having a call to action

Unclear or incomplete contact information

Not having a website or online presence at all

Headshots

Video missteps

Mistakes when creating printed marketing materials

How to stand out

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Psychology Today
Tiffany McClain – Hey Tiffany
Jax Anderson – The Psykotherapist
Fylmit.com
Previous episodes referenced:
In-Person Networking
Social Media and Video Marketing
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Similar, non-descript, cliché therapist marketing</li>
<li>Duplicating what other therapists do</li>
<li>Inauthentic personal branding</li>
<li>Ineffective marketing copy</li>
<li>Not having a call to action</li>
<li>Unclear or incomplete contact information</li>
<li>Not having a website or online presence at all</li>
<li>Headshots</li>
<li>Video missteps</li>
<li>Mistakes when creating printed marketing materials</li>
<li>How to stand out</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/">Psychology Today</a></p><p><a href="https://www.heytiffany.com/">Tiffany McClain</a> – Hey Tiffany</p><p><a href="https://www.psykotherapist.com/">Jax Anderson</a> – The Psykotherapist</p><p><a href="https://www.fylmit.com/">Fylmit.com</a></p><p>Previous episodes referenced:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode4/">In-Person Networking</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/mtsgpodcastepisode2/">Social Media and Video Marketing</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Investing in Yourself as an Entrepreneur</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/investing-in-yourself-as-an-entrepreneur</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Howard Spector
Howard Spector is the CEO and Co-Founder of SimplePractice. With over 20 years of experience in the industry, Howard has been involved with successful technology companies and has developed and established his first product, TrackYourHours. He has his MA in Counseling Psychology with an emphasis in Depth Psychology from the Pacifica Graduate Institute.
In this episode we talk about:

Howard’s Story – how he went from a previous career to being a therapist to being a tech entrepreneur with TrackYourHours and SimplePractice

Instinctual business decisions, trusting himself, pursuing your own why

The perils of not trusting yourself or your gut

Making decisions from the inside out (not letting society tell you what to do)

Investing in yourself as a small business owner

Ways to evolve your business, generating different streams of income

Business practices needed to be successful in business

Automation and delegation

What should I be doing and what shouldn’t I be doing as a business owner

The irony of therapists charging for time, but not valuing their time

How scary it is to be a business owner and invest in something new

Howard’s decision to not provide phone support for SimplePractice, for now

Why it’s important to be honest about what you can provide in business

What’s coming soon for SimplePractice

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
SimplePractice
 Carl Jung
Pacifica Graduate Institute
TrackYourHours
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Investing in Yourself as an Entrepreneur:  An interview with Howard Spector CEO of SimplePractice about trusting your gut decisions, streamlining your business, and moving past fear</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Howard Spector CEO of SimplePractice about trusting your gut decisions, streamlining your business, and moving past fear</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Howard Spector
Howard Spector is the CEO and Co-Founder of SimplePractice. With over 20 years of experience in the industry, Howard has been involved with successful technology companies and has developed and established his first product, TrackYourHours. He has his MA in Counseling Psychology with an emphasis in Depth Psychology from the Pacifica Graduate Institute.
In this episode we talk about:

Howard’s Story – how he went from a previous career to being a therapist to being a tech entrepreneur with TrackYourHours and SimplePractice

Instinctual business decisions, trusting himself, pursuing your own why

The perils of not trusting yourself or your gut

Making decisions from the inside out (not letting society tell you what to do)

Investing in yourself as a small business owner

Ways to evolve your business, generating different streams of income

Business practices needed to be successful in business

Automation and delegation

What should I be doing and what shouldn’t I be doing as a business owner

The irony of therapists charging for time, but not valuing their time

How scary it is to be a business owner and invest in something new

Howard’s decision to not provide phone support for SimplePractice, for now

Why it’s important to be honest about what you can provide in business

What’s coming soon for SimplePractice

 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
SimplePractice
 Carl Jung
Pacifica Graduate Institute
TrackYourHours
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Howard Spector</p><p>Howard Spector is the CEO and Co-Founder of <a href="http://www.simplepractice.com/">SimplePractice</a>. With over 20 years of experience in the industry, Howard has been involved with successful technology companies and has developed and established his first product, TrackYourHours. He has his MA in Counseling Psychology with an emphasis in Depth Psychology from the Pacifica Graduate Institute.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Howard’s Story – how he went from a previous career to being a therapist to being a tech entrepreneur with TrackYourHours and SimplePractice</li>
<li>Instinctual business decisions, trusting himself, pursuing your own why</li>
<li>The perils of not trusting yourself or your gut</li>
<li>Making decisions from the inside out (not letting society tell you what to do)</li>
<li>Investing in yourself as a small business owner</li>
<li>Ways to evolve your business, generating different streams of income</li>
<li>Business practices needed to be successful in business</li>
<li>Automation and delegation</li>
<li>What should I be doing and what shouldn’t I be doing as a business owner</li>
<li>The irony of therapists charging for time, but not valuing their time</li>
<li>How scary it is to be a business owner and invest in something new</li>
<li>Howard’s decision to not provide phone support for SimplePractice, for now</li>
<li>Why it’s important to be honest about what you can provide in business</li>
<li>What’s coming soon for SimplePractice</li>
</ul><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.simplepractice.com/">SimplePractice</a></p><p> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung">Carl Jung</a></p><p><a href="https://www.pacifica.edu/">Pacifica Graduate Institute</a></p><p><a href="https://www.trackyourhours.com/">TrackYourHours</a></p><p>Our events:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a>.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a>.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Finding Your Perfect Private Practice Office</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/finding-your-perfect-private-practice-office</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Choosing your location

Parking – free and plentiful, street parking, paid parking with and without validation

Personal requirements of the therapist

Client and marketing considerations

Building your referral network

Finding property management that understands the needs of therapists

Communicating effectively with officemates, neighbors, property managers

Awareness of the atmosphere and community

Designing your space

How to prioritize amenities

Waiting rooms

Function and design (and how to balance the two)

How to have your office reflect you

Leasing, subleasing, sharing offices, and contracts

Systems needed to share your office

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Finding Your Perfect Private Practice Office: Curt and Katie talk about location, amenities, subleases, and other considerations</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about location, amenities, subleases, and other considerations</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Choosing your location

Parking – free and plentiful, street parking, paid parking with and without validation

Personal requirements of the therapist

Client and marketing considerations

Building your referral network

Finding property management that understands the needs of therapists

Communicating effectively with officemates, neighbors, property managers

Awareness of the atmosphere and community

Designing your space

How to prioritize amenities

Waiting rooms

Function and design (and how to balance the two)

How to have your office reflect you

Leasing, subleasing, sharing offices, and contracts

Systems needed to share your office

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Choosing your location</li>
<li>Parking – free and plentiful, street parking, paid parking with and without validation</li>
<li>Personal requirements of the therapist</li>
<li>Client and marketing considerations</li>
<li>Building your referral network</li>
<li>Finding property management that understands the needs of therapists</li>
<li>Communicating effectively with officemates, neighbors, property managers</li>
<li>Awareness of the atmosphere and community</li>
<li>Designing your space</li>
<li>How to prioritize amenities</li>
<li>Waiting rooms</li>
<li>Function and design (and how to balance the two)</li>
<li>How to have your office reflect you</li>
<li>Leasing, subleasing, sharing offices, and contracts</li>
<li>Systems needed to share your office</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs">Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>The Fight to Save Psychotherapy </title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-fight-to-save-psychotherapy</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Benjamin E. Caldwell, Psy.D. Dr. Benjamin Caldwell is the author of five books, including Basics of California Law for LMFTs, LPCCs, and LCSWs, which is now on its fourth edition, and Saving Psychotherapy, which has been the focus of several invited conference presentations. He serves as adjunct faculty for California State University Northridge and The Wright Institute in Berkeley, CA. In his role as Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for the California Division of AAMFT, he has been directly involved in California's first-in-the-nation ban on reparative therapy for minors, and he drove the change in title from "intern" to "associate" for prelicensed MFTs and PCCs. For his advocacy work, he was awarded the AAMFT Division Contribution Award in 2013. He is a California licensed marriage and family therapist (#42723) and maintains a private practice in Los Angeles, specializing in working with couples. In this episode we talk about:

Why psychotherapy needs to be saved, looking at the huge financial barriers to entering the profession and the diminishing amount of money spent on treatment.

The advocacy needed to address training requirements, outdated laws and ethical codes, etc.

The importance of being clear in communicating what we do, how we’re different from each other, and why we do what we do

Why people don’t like or trust therapists

How Evidence Based Practices are impacting the field

Why we’ve not become more effective as a profession

The need to improve therapists, not treatment protocols

The “way of being” of a therapist is more important than the clinical interventions used

Deliberate Practice

How to improve workplaces to take better care of therapists

How to advocate at each stage of your career

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Curt’s almost weekly mention of Scott Miller and his work (and Ben chimes in a lot this time)
The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference
 Saving Psychotherapy by Benjamin E. Caldwell
 Basics of California Law for LMFTs, LPCCs, and LCSWs by Benjamin E. Caldwell
Ben Caldwell Labs
Psychotherapy Notes
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Fight to Save Psychotherapy: An interview with Benjamin E. Caldwell, Psy.D. about critical issues in the profession, why people hate us, and how to advocate for change</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Benjamin E. Caldwell, Psy.D. about critical issues in the profession, why people hate us, and how to advocate for change</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Benjamin E. Caldwell, Psy.D. Dr. Benjamin Caldwell is the author of five books, including Basics of California Law for LMFTs, LPCCs, and LCSWs, which is now on its fourth edition, and Saving Psychotherapy, which has been the focus of several invited conference presentations. He serves as adjunct faculty for California State University Northridge and The Wright Institute in Berkeley, CA. In his role as Chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for the California Division of AAMFT, he has been directly involved in California's first-in-the-nation ban on reparative therapy for minors, and he drove the change in title from "intern" to "associate" for prelicensed MFTs and PCCs. For his advocacy work, he was awarded the AAMFT Division Contribution Award in 2013. He is a California licensed marriage and family therapist (#42723) and maintains a private practice in Los Angeles, specializing in working with couples. In this episode we talk about:

Why psychotherapy needs to be saved, looking at the huge financial barriers to entering the profession and the diminishing amount of money spent on treatment.

The advocacy needed to address training requirements, outdated laws and ethical codes, etc.

The importance of being clear in communicating what we do, how we’re different from each other, and why we do what we do

Why people don’t like or trust therapists

How Evidence Based Practices are impacting the field

Why we’ve not become more effective as a profession

The need to improve therapists, not treatment protocols

The “way of being” of a therapist is more important than the clinical interventions used

Deliberate Practice

How to improve workplaces to take better care of therapists

How to advocate at each stage of your career

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Curt’s almost weekly mention of Scott Miller and his work (and Ben chimes in a lot this time)
The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference
 Saving Psychotherapy by Benjamin E. Caldwell
 Basics of California Law for LMFTs, LPCCs, and LCSWs by Benjamin E. Caldwell
Ben Caldwell Labs
Psychotherapy Notes
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>Why psychotherapy needs to be saved, looking at the huge financial barriers to entering the profession and the diminishing amount of money spent on treatment.</li>
<li>The advocacy needed to address training requirements, outdated laws and ethical codes, etc.</li>
<li>The importance of being clear in communicating what we do, how we’re different from each other, and why we do what we do</li>
<li>Why people don’t like or trust therapists</li>
<li>How Evidence Based Practices are impacting the field</li>
<li>Why we’ve not become more effective as a profession</li>
<li>The need to improve therapists, not treatment protocols</li>
<li>The “way of being” of a therapist is more important than the clinical interventions used</li>
<li>Deliberate Practice</li>
<li>How to improve workplaces to take better care of therapists</li>
<li>How to advocate at each stage of your career</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Curt’s almost weekly mention of <a href="http://www.scottdmiller.com/">Scott Miller</a> and his work (and Ben chimes in a lot this time)</p><p><a href="http://www.evolutionofpsychotherapy.com/">The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Saving-Psychotherapy-Therapists-Bring-Talking-ebook/dp/B01BT9XFIO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1518657155&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=saving+psychotherapy"> Saving Psychotherapy</a> by Benjamin E. Caldwell</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Basics-California-LMFTs-LPCCs-LCSWs/dp/0996490876/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8"> Basics of California Law for LMFTs, LPCCs, and LCSWs</a> by Benjamin E. Caldwell</p><p><a href="https://bencaldwelllabs.com/">Ben Caldwell Labs</a></p><p><a href="http://www.psychotherapynotes.com/">Psychotherapy Notes</a></p><p>Our events:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Are You Sure You are a Specialist?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/are-you-sure-you-are-a-specialist</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

What does it mean to be a “specialist” or an “expert”?

The difference between competence and special skills or expertise

Contrasting between clinical focus (or niche or target market) and specialization

How to become a specialist when you start out as a generalist

The ethical imperative to accurately portray your clinical training

Language you can use in marketing when you’re working toward specialization

Certifications – the benefits as well as the challenge to identify legitimate certificate programs

Not allowing the feeling of being “not good enough” to drive you to get a million certificates

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Richard Leslie’s Article Advertising Reminders
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Are You Sure You are a Specialist?  Curt and Katie clarify labels related to competence, specialization, and expertise</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie clarify labels related to competence, specialization, and expertise</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

What does it mean to be a “specialist” or an “expert”?

The difference between competence and special skills or expertise

Contrasting between clinical focus (or niche or target market) and specialization

How to become a specialist when you start out as a generalist

The ethical imperative to accurately portray your clinical training

Language you can use in marketing when you’re working toward specialization

Certifications – the benefits as well as the challenge to identify legitimate certificate programs

Not allowing the feeling of being “not good enough” to drive you to get a million certificates

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Richard Leslie’s Article Advertising Reminders
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>What does it mean to be a “specialist” or an “expert”?</li>
<li>The difference between competence and special skills or expertise</li>
<li>Contrasting between clinical focus (or niche or target market) and specialization</li>
<li>How to become a specialist when you start out as a generalist</li>
<li>The ethical imperative to accurately portray your clinical training</li>
<li>Language you can use in marketing when you’re working toward specialization</li>
<li>Certifications – the benefits as well as the challenge to identify legitimate certificate programs</li>
<li>Not allowing the feeling of being “not good enough” to drive you to get a million certificates</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>Richard Leslie’s Article <a href="https://www.cphins.com/reminders/">Advertising Reminders</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Compassion Fatigue </title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/compassion-fatigue</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jennifer Blough, LPC
Jennifer Blough is a licensed professional counselor, certified compassion fatigue therapist, certified pet loss grief recovery specialist, and the owner of Deepwater Counseling in southeast Michigan. In addition to counseling individuals and couples, she presents compassion fatigue workshops to animal welfare and veterinary organizations. She is the author of the book To Save a Starfish: A Compassion Fatigue Workbook for the Animal Welfare Warrior, and the host of The Compassion Fatigue Podcast.
In this episode we talk about:

The symptoms of compassion fatigue and how to recognize it

Jen’s story and how she became a therapist for animal welfare professionals

The buffers for “the normal cost of caring”

Self-care and support

Compassion satisfaction (getting joy from your work)

Focusing her practice on animal welfare professionals and pet loss, without closing herself off to others who she can help

The unique challenges of animal welfare professionals and how to support these people with the constant grief and loss associated with caring for animals

Considerations for therapists working with animal welfare professionals

The vegan lifestyle and how it intersects with the clinical work

Suggestions for self-care and coping with compassion fatigue

Animal rights activism

How to empower yourself rather than traumatize yourself in doing the research and work to support your passion and mission

How anger, depression, guilt, and isolation can increase the impact of compassion fatigue

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Green Cross Compassion Fatigue Therapist Certification
Pet Loss Grief Recovery Specialist Certification
The Compassion Fatigue Podcast
Deepwater Counseling 
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Compassion Fatigue:  An interview with Jennifer Blough, LPC about the “normal cost of caring” for helping professionals and how to cope</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/c81228aa-690e-11ed-9001-17f94f0278eb/image/Episode_29.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Jennifer Blough, LPC about the “normal cost of caring” for helping professionals and how to cope</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jennifer Blough, LPC
Jennifer Blough is a licensed professional counselor, certified compassion fatigue therapist, certified pet loss grief recovery specialist, and the owner of Deepwater Counseling in southeast Michigan. In addition to counseling individuals and couples, she presents compassion fatigue workshops to animal welfare and veterinary organizations. She is the author of the book To Save a Starfish: A Compassion Fatigue Workbook for the Animal Welfare Warrior, and the host of The Compassion Fatigue Podcast.
In this episode we talk about:

The symptoms of compassion fatigue and how to recognize it

Jen’s story and how she became a therapist for animal welfare professionals

The buffers for “the normal cost of caring”

Self-care and support

Compassion satisfaction (getting joy from your work)

Focusing her practice on animal welfare professionals and pet loss, without closing herself off to others who she can help

The unique challenges of animal welfare professionals and how to support these people with the constant grief and loss associated with caring for animals

Considerations for therapists working with animal welfare professionals

The vegan lifestyle and how it intersects with the clinical work

Suggestions for self-care and coping with compassion fatigue

Animal rights activism

How to empower yourself rather than traumatize yourself in doing the research and work to support your passion and mission

How anger, depression, guilt, and isolation can increase the impact of compassion fatigue

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Green Cross Compassion Fatigue Therapist Certification
Pet Loss Grief Recovery Specialist Certification
The Compassion Fatigue Podcast
Deepwater Counseling 
Our events:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!

Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Jennifer Blough, LPC</p><p>Jennifer Blough is a licensed professional counselor, certified compassion fatigue therapist, certified pet loss grief recovery specialist, and the owner of <a href="http://www.deepwatermichigan.com/">Deepwater Counseling </a>in southeast Michigan. In addition to counseling individuals and couples, she presents compassion fatigue workshops to animal welfare and veterinary organizations. She is the author of the book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Save-Starfish-Compassion-Fatigue-Workbook-Animal-Welfare/dp/069275542X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1515013621&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=to+save+a+starfish"><em>To Save a Starfish: A Compassion Fatigue Workbook for the Animal Welfare Warrior</em></a><em>,</em> and the host of <a href="https://thecompassionfatiguepodcast.com/"><em>The Compassion Fatigue Podcast</em></a><em>.</em></p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The symptoms of compassion fatigue and how to recognize it</li>
<li>Jen’s story and how she became a therapist for animal welfare professionals</li>
<li>The buffers for “the normal cost of caring”</li>
<li>Self-care and support</li>
<li>Compassion satisfaction (getting joy from your work)</li>
<li>Focusing her practice on animal welfare professionals and pet loss, without closing herself off to others who she can help</li>
<li>The unique challenges of animal welfare professionals and how to support these people with the constant grief and loss associated with caring for animals</li>
<li>Considerations for therapists working with animal welfare professionals</li>
<li>The vegan lifestyle and how it intersects with the clinical work</li>
<li>Suggestions for self-care and coping with compassion fatigue</li>
<li>Animal rights activism</li>
<li>How to empower yourself rather than traumatize yourself in doing the research and work to support your passion and mission</li>
<li>How anger, depression, guilt, and isolation can increase the impact of compassion fatigue</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.greencross.org/certifications.html">The Green Cross Compassion Fatigue Therapist Certification</a></p><p><a href="http://aihcp.net/pet-loss-grief-recovery-certification/">Pet Loss Grief Recovery Specialist Certification</a></p><p><a href="https://thecompassionfatiguepodcast.com/">The Compassion Fatigue Podcast</a></p><p><a href="http://www.deepwatermichigan.com/">Deepwater Counseling </a></p><p>Our events:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p><br></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Giving and Getting Good Supervision</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Why people become supervisors

Models of supervision

The importance of good supervision

What makes supervision ineffective

The problem with the notion of “training the competition” or seeing supervisees money making machines

How to nurture the next generation

Finding the right supervisor/supervisee match

The different aspects of supervision: administrative, clinical, professional development, consumer protection

Differences between public mental health and private practice supervision

Our anger about people taking advantage of prelicensees

The importance of following employment law

How supervision impacts the profession

The difference between therapy and supervision

What supervisees are responsible for (and what they shouldn’t be responsible for, but often are)

School and supervisors passing the buck – you should learn about this in school, they should train you in supervision

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists) Certified Supervision Program
The Developmental Model of Supervision
Reflective Supervision
 Recovery-Oriented Supervision
Trauma-Informed Supervision
Seven-Eyed Supervision Model by Hawkins and Shohet
Curt’s Supervision Workshop:
 Supervision in Private Practice: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>Giving and Getting Good Supervision: Curt and Katie talk about all things supervision</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Why people become supervisors

Models of supervision

The importance of good supervision

What makes supervision ineffective

The problem with the notion of “training the competition” or seeing supervisees money making machines

How to nurture the next generation

Finding the right supervisor/supervisee match

The different aspects of supervision: administrative, clinical, professional development, consumer protection

Differences between public mental health and private practice supervision

Our anger about people taking advantage of prelicensees

The importance of following employment law

How supervision impacts the profession

The difference between therapy and supervision

What supervisees are responsible for (and what they shouldn’t be responsible for, but often are)

School and supervisors passing the buck – you should learn about this in school, they should train you in supervision

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists) Certified Supervision Program
The Developmental Model of Supervision
Reflective Supervision
 Recovery-Oriented Supervision
Trauma-Informed Supervision
Seven-Eyed Supervision Model by Hawkins and Shohet
Curt’s Supervision Workshop:
 Supervision in Private Practice: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Why people become supervisors</li>
<li>Models of supervision</li>
<li>The importance of good supervision</li>
<li>What makes supervision ineffective</li>
<li>The problem with the notion of “training the competition” or seeing supervisees money making machines</li>
<li>How to nurture the next generation</li>
<li>Finding the right supervisor/supervisee match</li>
<li>The different aspects of supervision: administrative, clinical, professional development, consumer protection</li>
<li>Differences between public mental health and private practice supervision</li>
<li>Our anger about people taking advantage of prelicensees</li>
<li>The importance of following employment law</li>
<li>How supervision impacts the profession</li>
<li>The difference between therapy and supervision</li>
<li>What supervisees are responsible for (and what they shouldn’t be responsible for, but often are)</li>
<li>School and supervisors passing the buck – you should learn about this in school, they should train you in supervision</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.camft.org/COS/Events/Certified_Supervisor_Program/COS/Education/Education_Resources/Certified_Supervisor_Program.aspx?hkey=8644f461-8537-4a22-9f25-d4ae28d0b687"> CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists) Certified Supervision Program</a></p><p><a href="http://www.apa.org/pubs/videos/4310948.aspx?tab=1">The Developmental Model of Supervision</a></p><p><a href="https://www.zerotothree.org/resources/407-reflective-supervision">Reflective Supervision</a></p><p><a href="http://us.thinkt3.com/fostering-the-empowerment-of-employees-recovery-oriented-supervision"> Recovery-Oriented Supervision</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207194/">Trauma-Informed Supervision</a></p><p><a href="http://www.livingtherapy.co.uk/seven-eyed-model">Seven-Eyed Supervision Model by Hawkins and Shohet</a></p><p>Curt’s Supervision Workshop:</p><p><a href="https://www.eventbrite.com/e/supervision-in-private-practice-legal-ethical-issues-march-2018-tickets-42383795072"> Supervision in Private Practice: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>What Therapists Get Wrong</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Paul Gilmartin
We so enjoyed talking with Paul!
From 1995 to 2011 Paul Gilmartin co-hosted TBS’ Dinner and a Movie and has been a stand-up comedian since 1987. His credits include Comedy Central Presents: Paul Gilmartin, numerous Bob and Tom albums, comedy festivals and the Late Show with Craig Ferguson.
Paul is a recovering alcoholic/addict and has been sober since 2003. He is also an incest survivor and has been in treatment for depression since 1999. He is a big believer in therapy and support groups.
Paul hosts a weekly audio podcast, The Mental Illness Happy Hour, consisting of interviews with artists, friends, listeners and the occasional mental health professional about all the battles in our heads; from medically diagnosed conditions, past traumas and sexual dysfunction to everyday compulsive, negative thinking.  It gets about 600,000 downloads per month, has a 5/5 iTunes rating where it frequently occupies the top spot in Self-Help, was chosen by Esquire as one of the best podcasts of 2016 and is featured in the 2013 PBS Documentary "A New State of Mind."
You can learn more about Paul and The Mental Illness Happy Hour podcast here: www.mentalpod.com.
In this episode we talk about:

How Paul’s experience of covert incest and battle with depression led to creating The Mental Illness Happy Hour

Paul’s mission to decrease mental health stigma and provide a virtual support group

The power of conversation and community

The importance of empathy and validation

How therapists connect best with their clients

The survey Paul has on his website about what therapists are doing right and what they are really doing wrong.

What therapists are often missing when they become distracted or forgetful

How damaging it is when therapists minimize their client’s feelings, trauma, and abuse

The importance of overcoming “you’re only nice to me because I pay you” for therapists

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Mental Illness Happy Hour Podcast
(Katie’s Episode on Mental Pod)
 The First Day in Therapy Survey
Curt’s almost weekly mention of Scott Miller and his work
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What Therapists Get Wrong: An Interview with Paul Gilmartin of The Mental Illness Happy Hour Podcast</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Paul Gilmartin of The Mental Illness Happy Hour Podcast</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Paul Gilmartin
We so enjoyed talking with Paul!
From 1995 to 2011 Paul Gilmartin co-hosted TBS’ Dinner and a Movie and has been a stand-up comedian since 1987. His credits include Comedy Central Presents: Paul Gilmartin, numerous Bob and Tom albums, comedy festivals and the Late Show with Craig Ferguson.
Paul is a recovering alcoholic/addict and has been sober since 2003. He is also an incest survivor and has been in treatment for depression since 1999. He is a big believer in therapy and support groups.
Paul hosts a weekly audio podcast, The Mental Illness Happy Hour, consisting of interviews with artists, friends, listeners and the occasional mental health professional about all the battles in our heads; from medically diagnosed conditions, past traumas and sexual dysfunction to everyday compulsive, negative thinking.  It gets about 600,000 downloads per month, has a 5/5 iTunes rating where it frequently occupies the top spot in Self-Help, was chosen by Esquire as one of the best podcasts of 2016 and is featured in the 2013 PBS Documentary "A New State of Mind."
You can learn more about Paul and The Mental Illness Happy Hour podcast here: www.mentalpod.com.
In this episode we talk about:

How Paul’s experience of covert incest and battle with depression led to creating The Mental Illness Happy Hour

Paul’s mission to decrease mental health stigma and provide a virtual support group

The power of conversation and community

The importance of empathy and validation

How therapists connect best with their clients

The survey Paul has on his website about what therapists are doing right and what they are really doing wrong.

What therapists are often missing when they become distracted or forgetful

How damaging it is when therapists minimize their client’s feelings, trauma, and abuse

The importance of overcoming “you’re only nice to me because I pay you” for therapists

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Mental Illness Happy Hour Podcast
(Katie’s Episode on Mental Pod)
 The First Day in Therapy Survey
Curt’s almost weekly mention of Scott Miller and his work
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Paul Gilmartin</p><p>We so enjoyed talking with Paul!</p><p>From 1995 to 2011 Paul Gilmartin co-hosted TBS’ Dinner and a Movie and has been a stand-up comedian since 1987. His credits include Comedy Central Presents: Paul Gilmartin, numerous Bob and Tom albums, comedy festivals and the Late Show with Craig Ferguson.</p><p>Paul is a recovering alcoholic/addict and has been sober since 2003. He is also an incest survivor and has been in treatment for depression since 1999. He is a big believer in therapy and support groups.</p><p>Paul hosts a weekly audio podcast, The Mental Illness Happy Hour, consisting of interviews with artists, friends, listeners and the occasional mental health professional about all the battles in our heads; from medically diagnosed conditions, past traumas and sexual dysfunction to everyday compulsive, negative thinking.  It gets about 600,000 downloads per month, has a 5/5 iTunes rating where it frequently occupies the top spot in Self-Help, was chosen by Esquire as one of the best podcasts of 2016 and is featured in the 2013 PBS Documentary "A New State of Mind."</p><p>You can learn more about Paul and The Mental Illness Happy Hour podcast here: <a href="http://www.mentalpod.com">www.mentalpod.com</a>.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How Paul’s experience of covert incest and battle with depression led to creating The Mental Illness Happy Hour</li>
<li>Paul’s mission to decrease mental health stigma and provide a virtual support group</li>
<li>The power of conversation and community</li>
<li>The importance of empathy and validation</li>
<li>How therapists connect best with their clients</li>
<li>The survey Paul has on his website about what therapists are doing right and what they are really doing wrong.</li>
<li>What therapists are often missing when they become distracted or forgetful</li>
<li>How damaging it is when therapists minimize their client’s feelings, trauma, and abuse</li>
<li>The importance of overcoming “you’re only nice to me because I pay you” for therapists</li>
</ul><p> Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://mentalpod.com/">The Mental Illness Happy Hour Podcast</a></p><p><a href="http://mentalpod.com/archives/4509">(Katie’s Episode on Mental Pod)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/?sm=6B4a0XJCWk0QKR0EkEd3tlMLOo8KGLdSQDmpyznF1sQ%3d"> The First Day in Therapy Survey</a></p><p>Curt’s almost weekly mention of <a href="http://www.scottdmiller.com/">Scott Miller</a> and his work</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>The Dividing Line Between Coaching and Therapy</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Regulation of therapy versus the “wild west” of coaching

The differences between therapy and coaching

How to have both a therapy and a coaching practice

The confusion that can come from using clinical language to describe coaching

Drawing the line to protect your license (especially for those therapists who are working across state lines)

Telehealth versus coaching in another state

Personal development versus healing

The pros and cons of regulation

What is the recourse for bad coaches

Holding the frame for each type of relationship

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
International Coaching Federation
Consumer Affairs
Better Business Bureau
California Board of Behavioral Sciences
Katie’s Websites:
www.evolvetothriveconsulting.com
www.katievernoy.com
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>The Dividing Line Between Coaching and Therapy: Curt and Katie debate differences, regulation, and appropriate business practices</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Regulation of therapy versus the “wild west” of coaching

The differences between therapy and coaching

How to have both a therapy and a coaching practice

The confusion that can come from using clinical language to describe coaching

Drawing the line to protect your license (especially for those therapists who are working across state lines)

Telehealth versus coaching in another state

Personal development versus healing

The pros and cons of regulation

What is the recourse for bad coaches

Holding the frame for each type of relationship

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
International Coaching Federation
Consumer Affairs
Better Business Bureau
California Board of Behavioral Sciences
Katie’s Websites:
www.evolvetothriveconsulting.com
www.katievernoy.com
Our events this year:
The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Regulation of therapy versus the “wild west” of coaching</li>
<li>The differences between therapy and coaching</li>
<li>How to have both a therapy and a coaching practice</li>
<li>The confusion that can come from using clinical language to describe coaching</li>
<li>Drawing the line to protect your license (especially for those therapists who are working across state lines)</li>
<li>Telehealth versus coaching in another state</li>
<li>Personal development versus healing</li>
<li>The pros and cons of regulation</li>
<li>What is the recourse for bad coaches</li>
<li>Holding the frame for each type of relationship</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://coachfederation.org/">International Coaching Federation</a></p><p><a href="https://www.consumeraffairs.com/">Consumer Affairs</a></p><p><a href="https://www.bbb.org/">Better Business Bureau</a></p><p><a href="http://www.bbs.ca.gov/">California Board of Behavioral Sciences</a></p><p>Katie’s Websites:</p><p><a href="http://www.evolvetothriveconsulting.com">www.evolvetothriveconsulting.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>Our events this year:</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/workshops/">The Brand Called “You”: Legal &amp; Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Small Town Sex Therapist</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jeanette Tolson, LCSW, CASAC
We so enjoyed talking with Jeanette Tolson!
Jeanette Tolson is the founder of Transcendent Counseling and Consulting. She is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Credentialed Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Counselor in New York. She earned her Masters in Social Work at SUNY Albany and completed a Postgraduate Certificate in Sex Therapy and Sexuality Education at the University of Michigan. Prior to opening her private practice in 2015, she was the Executive Director for a not for profit community recovery organization. Ms. Tolson currently has an academic appointment at SUNY Delhi and has been teaching there continuously since 2009.
Ms. Tolson has worked in a variety of outpatient settings. Her clinical interests include working with relationships from an attachment perspective, LGBTQ issues, recovery from infidelity, and substance use disorders.
You can learn more about Jeanette on her website: www.jeanettetolsonlcsw.com
In this episode we talk about:

Jeanette’s success (and bravery) in having the strong niche of sex therapy in a small town, while filling a private pay practice

Increasing mental health access

The gap related to healthy sexual relationships within typical addiction treatment

Creating a strong niche and getting creative about how you do services and fill your practice

Navigating dual relationships in a town where everyone knows your name

Advanced assessment and decision-making related to who you should see, especially related to inevitable dual relationships in a small town

Leveraging close relationships in business networking

Having a clear vision for your practice, being creative and standing your ground

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Small Town Sex Therapist: Talking with Jeanette Tolson, LCSW, CASAC, about Niche, Dual Relationships, and Filling a Private Pay Practice</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Jeanette Tolson, LCSW, CASAC
We so enjoyed talking with Jeanette Tolson!
Jeanette Tolson is the founder of Transcendent Counseling and Consulting. She is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Credentialed Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Counselor in New York. She earned her Masters in Social Work at SUNY Albany and completed a Postgraduate Certificate in Sex Therapy and Sexuality Education at the University of Michigan. Prior to opening her private practice in 2015, she was the Executive Director for a not for profit community recovery organization. Ms. Tolson currently has an academic appointment at SUNY Delhi and has been teaching there continuously since 2009.
Ms. Tolson has worked in a variety of outpatient settings. Her clinical interests include working with relationships from an attachment perspective, LGBTQ issues, recovery from infidelity, and substance use disorders.
You can learn more about Jeanette on her website: www.jeanettetolsonlcsw.com
In this episode we talk about:

Jeanette’s success (and bravery) in having the strong niche of sex therapy in a small town, while filling a private pay practice

Increasing mental health access

The gap related to healthy sexual relationships within typical addiction treatment

Creating a strong niche and getting creative about how you do services and fill your practice

Navigating dual relationships in a town where everyone knows your name

Advanced assessment and decision-making related to who you should see, especially related to inevitable dual relationships in a small town

Leveraging close relationships in business networking

Having a clear vision for your practice, being creative and standing your ground

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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<li>Jeanette’s success (and bravery) in having the strong niche of sex therapy in a small town, while filling a private pay practice</li>
<li>Increasing mental health access</li>
<li>The gap related to healthy sexual relationships within typical addiction treatment</li>
<li>Creating a strong niche and getting creative about how you do services and fill your practice</li>
<li>Navigating dual relationships in a town where everyone knows your name</li>
<li>Advanced assessment and decision-making related to who you should see, especially related to inevitable dual relationships in a small town</li>
<li>Leveraging close relationships in business networking</li>
<li>Having a clear vision for your practice, being creative and standing your ground</li>
</ul><p> Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Asking for Money</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Setting Fees

Ethical codes related to setting fees such as community standards

Anti-trust laws, including The Sherman Act

Solid business practices

The effect of martyrdom and the culture of humility on therapists asking for money

Talking about fees in a hybrid (insurance, private pay) as well as private pay only practices

Considerations for posting your fees on your website

Accepting credit cards, fees and the cash discount

Curt’s argument for accepting Bitcoin (and Katie’s argument for why that is ridiculous)

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Sherman Antitrust Act
Bitcoin
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Asking for Money: Curt and Katie talk about setting fees, taking payments, credit card charges, and Bitcoin</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about setting fees, taking payments, credit card charges, and Bitcoin</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Setting Fees

Ethical codes related to setting fees such as community standards

Anti-trust laws, including The Sherman Act

Solid business practices

The effect of martyrdom and the culture of humility on therapists asking for money

Talking about fees in a hybrid (insurance, private pay) as well as private pay only practices

Considerations for posting your fees on your website

Accepting credit cards, fees and the cash discount

Curt’s argument for accepting Bitcoin (and Katie’s argument for why that is ridiculous)

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Sherman Antitrust Act
Bitcoin
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Setting Fees</li>
<li>Ethical codes related to setting fees such as community standards</li>
<li>Anti-trust laws, including The Sherman Act</li>
<li>Solid business practices</li>
<li>The effect of martyrdom and the culture of humility on therapists asking for money</li>
<li>Talking about fees in a hybrid (insurance, private pay) as well as private pay only practices</li>
<li>Considerations for posting your fees on your website</li>
<li>Accepting credit cards, fees and the cash discount</li>
<li>Curt’s argument for accepting Bitcoin (and Katie’s argument for why that is ridiculous)</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act">The Sherman Antitrust Act</a></p><p><a href="https://www.bitcoin.com/">Bitcoin</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann <a href="https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/">https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</a></p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano <a href="http://www.crystalmangano.com/">http://www.crystalmangano.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Crafting Your Authentic Message</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/crafting-your-authentic-message</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Mercedes Samudio, LCSW, Parent Coach
We so enjoyed talking with Mercedes Samudio!
Mercedes Samudio, LCSW is a parent coach, speaker, and bestselling author who helps parents and children communicate with each other, manage emotional trauma, navigate social media and technology together, and develop healthy parent-child relationships. Over the course of her career, she has worked with adoptive families, foster families, teen parents, parents navigating the child protective services system, and children living with mental illness. Mercedes started the #EndParentShaming movement as well as coined the term Shame-Proof Parenting (check out the bestselling book here) – using both to bring awareness to ending parent shame. Mercedes is a leading parenting expert and has an amazing following on social media that allows her to reach the hearts of thousands of parents who feel heard and seen on their parenting journey. She has been featured on The Huffington Post, US News and Report, Woman’s Day, LA Parent Magazine, CBS LA, and Kids In The House. Mercedes seeks to empower parents to believe that they are already great guides for raising healthy and happy children.
You can read more about her parenting expertise at https://shameproofparenting.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Shame-Proof Parenting and how therapists can shame the parents they serve

Having a big message and crafting it for your audience

Becoming an Amazon best-seller

Being both a coach and a clinician

Being a geek and using sci-fi and fantasy (especially Star Wars and the Marvel Universe) to talk about family dynamics

Being authentic and vulnerable with your story

Managing vulnerability through a strong sense of self and a supportive community

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Shame-Proof Parenting by Mercedes Samudio
 Homework Wars by Mercedes Samudio
Paper Raven Books
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Mercedes Samudio, LCSW, Parent Coach of Shame Proof Parenting</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Mercedes Samudio, LCSW, Parent Coach
We so enjoyed talking with Mercedes Samudio!
Mercedes Samudio, LCSW is a parent coach, speaker, and bestselling author who helps parents and children communicate with each other, manage emotional trauma, navigate social media and technology together, and develop healthy parent-child relationships. Over the course of her career, she has worked with adoptive families, foster families, teen parents, parents navigating the child protective services system, and children living with mental illness. Mercedes started the #EndParentShaming movement as well as coined the term Shame-Proof Parenting (check out the bestselling book here) – using both to bring awareness to ending parent shame. Mercedes is a leading parenting expert and has an amazing following on social media that allows her to reach the hearts of thousands of parents who feel heard and seen on their parenting journey. She has been featured on The Huffington Post, US News and Report, Woman’s Day, LA Parent Magazine, CBS LA, and Kids In The House. Mercedes seeks to empower parents to believe that they are already great guides for raising healthy and happy children.
You can read more about her parenting expertise at https://shameproofparenting.com.
In this episode we talk about:

Shame-Proof Parenting and how therapists can shame the parents they serve

Having a big message and crafting it for your audience

Becoming an Amazon best-seller

Being both a coach and a clinician

Being a geek and using sci-fi and fantasy (especially Star Wars and the Marvel Universe) to talk about family dynamics

Being authentic and vulnerable with your story

Managing vulnerability through a strong sense of self and a supportive community

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Shame-Proof Parenting by Mercedes Samudio
 Homework Wars by Mercedes Samudio
Paper Raven Books
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>Shame-Proof Parenting and how therapists can shame the parents they serve</li>
<li>Having a big message and crafting it for your audience</li>
<li>Becoming an Amazon best-seller</li>
<li>Being both a coach and a clinician</li>
<li>Being a geek and using sci-fi and fantasy (especially Star Wars and the Marvel Universe) to talk about family dynamics</li>
<li>Being authentic and vulnerable with your story</li>
<li>Managing vulnerability through a strong sense of self and a supportive community</li>
</ul><p> Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://shameproofparenting.com/buybook">Shame-Proof Parenting</a> by Mercedes Samudio</p><p><a href="https://shameproofparenting.com/downloads/homework-wars-strategies-win-homework-battle/"> Homework Wars</a> by Mercedes Samudio</p><p><a href="http://paperravenbooks.com/">Paper Raven Books</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p>]]>
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      <title>Managing Client Cancellations</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/managing-client-cancellations</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Typical cancellation policies

Informed consent

What ethical problems to consider when scheduling your clients

How respect in the relationship plays into attendance

Clinical considerations for cancellation policies

The pros and cons of different lengths of time required for cancellation (24-hour, 48-hour, etc.)

What to do when YOU cancel a session due to illness or emergency

Collecting no show or late cancellation fees

The importance of consistency in following your policies

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Managing Client Cancellations: Curt and Katie talk about No-Show and Late Cancellation Policies and Collecting Fees</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about No-Show and Late Cancellation Policies and Collecting Fees</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Typical cancellation policies

Informed consent

What ethical problems to consider when scheduling your clients

How respect in the relationship plays into attendance

Clinical considerations for cancellation policies

The pros and cons of different lengths of time required for cancellation (24-hour, 48-hour, etc.)

What to do when YOU cancel a session due to illness or emergency

Collecting no show or late cancellation fees

The importance of consistency in following your policies

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Typical cancellation policies</li>
<li>Informed consent</li>
<li>What ethical problems to consider when scheduling your clients</li>
<li>How respect in the relationship plays into attendance</li>
<li>Clinical considerations for cancellation policies</li>
<li>The pros and cons of different lengths of time required for cancellation (24-hour, 48-hour, etc.)</li>
<li>What to do when YOU cancel a session due to illness or emergency</li>
<li>Collecting no show or late cancellation fees</li>
<li>The importance of consistency in following your policies</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a></p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: <a href="http://www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a></p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p>]]>
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      <title>The New Tax Bill and Planning for Taxes in 2018</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-new-tax-bill-and-planning-for-taxes-in-2018</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Michael Jurenka, CPA
We so enjoyed talking with Mike Jurenka!
Mike has been a Certified Public Accountant since 2006. After graduating from Montana State University, he moved to Seattle and spent the first five years of his career working for Clark Nuber, PS, in Bellevue, WA. His areas of expertise include commercial and individual income tax. His strongest expertise is working with closely held businesses and their owners on tax issues that arise throughout the course of running a business. He consulted with clients at Clark Nuber on accounting for income taxes for large private and smaller publicly traded clients.
In this episode we talk about:

How the New Tax Bill for 2018 in the United States impacts private practice businesses

New limits on deductions and the cap on deductions

Solid business practices

Different business entities and what the heck a pass-through corporation is

The complication of pass-through deductions

Business expenses versus deductions

When and why to incorporate

How to choose an accountant

How to plan for taxes in 2018

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
You can learn more about Michael Jurenka, CPA at www.fjcpas.com
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide NEW Facebook Group!!
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The New Tax Bill and Planning for Taxes in 2018: An Interview with Michael Jurenka, CPA</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/ca7e0c12-690e-11ed-9001-6fbe35c6687d/image/Episode_21.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Michael Jurenka, CPA</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Michael Jurenka, CPA
We so enjoyed talking with Mike Jurenka!
Mike has been a Certified Public Accountant since 2006. After graduating from Montana State University, he moved to Seattle and spent the first five years of his career working for Clark Nuber, PS, in Bellevue, WA. His areas of expertise include commercial and individual income tax. His strongest expertise is working with closely held businesses and their owners on tax issues that arise throughout the course of running a business. He consulted with clients at Clark Nuber on accounting for income taxes for large private and smaller publicly traded clients.
In this episode we talk about:

How the New Tax Bill for 2018 in the United States impacts private practice businesses

New limits on deductions and the cap on deductions

Solid business practices

Different business entities and what the heck a pass-through corporation is

The complication of pass-through deductions

Business expenses versus deductions

When and why to incorporate

How to choose an accountant

How to plan for taxes in 2018

 Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
You can learn more about Michael Jurenka, CPA at www.fjcpas.com
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide NEW Facebook Group!!
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Michael Jurenka, CPA</p><p>We so enjoyed talking with Mike Jurenka!</p><p>Mike has been a Certified Public Accountant since 2006. After graduating from Montana State University, he moved to Seattle and spent the first five years of his career working for Clark Nuber, PS, in Bellevue, WA. His areas of expertise include commercial and individual income tax. His strongest expertise is working with closely held businesses and their owners on tax issues that arise throughout the course of running a business. He consulted with clients at Clark Nuber on accounting for income taxes for large private and smaller publicly traded clients.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How the New Tax Bill for 2018 in the United States impacts private practice businesses</li>
<li>New limits on deductions and the cap on deductions</li>
<li>Solid business practices</li>
<li>Different business entities and what the heck a pass-through corporation is</li>
<li>The complication of pass-through deductions</li>
<li>Business expenses versus deductions</li>
<li>When and why to incorporate</li>
<li>How to choose an accountant</li>
<li>How to plan for taxes in 2018</li>
</ul><p> Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>You can learn more about Michael Jurenka, CPA at <a href="http://www.fjcpas.com">www.fjcpas.com</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at <a href="www.curtwidhalm.com">www.curtwidhalm.com</a>.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at <a href="www.katievernoy.com">www.katievernoy.com</a>.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide NEW Facebook Group!!</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p>]]>
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      <title>Managing Your Online Reputation</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How to proactively create a positive online reputation

Managing Google – considering what people will find under your name

Clinical mechanisms to get consistent feedback (and of course, Curt talks about Scott Miller)

Claiming your profiles to track reviews and ensure accurate information

How to professionally address negative feedback

Making sure to do self-assessment when getting constructive criticism

Managing One Star reviews on Yelp, Healthgrades, etc.

Engaging appropriately in Therapist Facebook groups

The Screenshot Test from TIPP

The internet is forever and all of your interactions can potentially impact your online rep

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Rate and Review our Podcast on iTunes!!
APA (American Psychological Association) article: One-Star Therapy? by Jamie Chamberlain
CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists) article:  You, Yelp, and Social Media by Alain Montgomery, JD (requires CAMFT member access)
TIPP (Therapists in Private Practice) Facebook Group
The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide NEW Facebook Group!!
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Managing Your Online Reputation: Curt and Katie talk about navigating through negative Yelp Reviews, Google Searches, and Therapist Facebook Groups</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about navigating through negative Yelp Reviews, Google Searches, and Therapist Facebook Groups</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

How to proactively create a positive online reputation

Managing Google – considering what people will find under your name

Clinical mechanisms to get consistent feedback (and of course, Curt talks about Scott Miller)

Claiming your profiles to track reviews and ensure accurate information

How to professionally address negative feedback

Making sure to do self-assessment when getting constructive criticism

Managing One Star reviews on Yelp, Healthgrades, etc.

Engaging appropriately in Therapist Facebook groups

The Screenshot Test from TIPP

The internet is forever and all of your interactions can potentially impact your online rep

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Rate and Review our Podcast on iTunes!!
APA (American Psychological Association) article: One-Star Therapy? by Jamie Chamberlain
CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists) article:  You, Yelp, and Social Media by Alain Montgomery, JD (requires CAMFT member access)
TIPP (Therapists in Private Practice) Facebook Group
The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide NEW Facebook Group!!
The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!
 
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
www.therapyreimagined.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How to proactively create a positive online reputation</li>
<li>Managing Google – considering what people will find under your name</li>
<li>Clinical mechanisms to get consistent feedback (and of course, Curt talks about Scott Miller)</li>
<li>Claiming your profiles to track reviews and ensure accurate information</li>
<li>How to professionally address negative feedback</li>
<li>Making sure to do self-assessment when getting constructive criticism</li>
<li>Managing One Star reviews on Yelp, Healthgrades, etc.</li>
<li>Engaging appropriately in Therapist Facebook groups</li>
<li>The Screenshot Test from TIPP</li>
<li>The internet is forever and all of your interactions can potentially impact your online rep</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/modern-therapists-survival-guide-curt-widhalm-katie/id1310770477?mt=2"> Rate and Review our Podcast on iTunes!!</a></p><p>APA (American Psychological Association) article<a href="http://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/04/therapy.aspx">: One-Star Therapy? by Jamie Chamberlain</a></p><p>CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists) article: <a href="https://www.camft.org/COS/The_Therapist/Legal_Articles/Alain/You_Yelp_and_Social_Media.aspx?WebsiteKey=8e6183d3-f25b-47e1-bcef-8e2b023c58ba"> You, Yelp, and Social Media by Alain Montgomery, JD</a> (requires CAMFT member access)</p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/TIPPgroup/">TIPP (Therapists in Private Practice) Facebook Group</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/therapyreimagined/">The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide NEW Facebook Group!!</a></p><p><a href="https://therapyreimagined.com/conferences/">The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!</a></p><p> </p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: curtwidhalm.com.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: katievernoy.com.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="http://www.therapyreimagined.com">www.therapyreimagined.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Getting Personal to Advocate for Compassion, Understanding, and Social Justice</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/getting-personal-to-advocate-for-compassion-understanding-and-social-justice</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with James Guay, LMFT
We so enjoyed talking with James Guay!
James Guay is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#39252) inspired by seeing his clients transform from being perfectionistic, constantly on the go, feeling empty despite their successes to a place where they can finally truly relax, create a better work/life balance, and be more kind to themselves and others.
He’s also a social justice activist with a mission to help bring more compassion into the world — especially for oppressed minorities. To advance this cause, he’s testified against conversion therapy at California’s State Capital, appeared on Lisa Ling’s Our America show, appeared on various documentaries including VICE, and has been interviewed and/or written articles for Time, NY Times, LA Times, Huffington Post, Rage Magazine and the Advocate. 
 In this episode we talk about:

Creating understanding and compassion

Overcoming perfectionism

James talks about becoming a “gay activist” and sharing his own story of conversion therapy

How to handle clients googling you when you’ve been real and shared your own story in a real way, especially when it comes into the room

Working within your own community

How advocacy is good marketing

Prevention efforts through social advocacy

Raising your voice to empower your clients

Aligning your work with your mission to stay energized and rejuvenated

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT)
 You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train by Howard Zinn
www.lynda.com
To learn more about James Guay, LMFT: www.livingmorefully.com
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Getting Personal to Advocate for Compassion, Understanding, and Social Justice: An Interview with James Guay, LMFT</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:episode>19</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with James Guay, LMFT</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with James Guay, LMFT
We so enjoyed talking with James Guay!
James Guay is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#39252) inspired by seeing his clients transform from being perfectionistic, constantly on the go, feeling empty despite their successes to a place where they can finally truly relax, create a better work/life balance, and be more kind to themselves and others.
He’s also a social justice activist with a mission to help bring more compassion into the world — especially for oppressed minorities. To advance this cause, he’s testified against conversion therapy at California’s State Capital, appeared on Lisa Ling’s Our America show, appeared on various documentaries including VICE, and has been interviewed and/or written articles for Time, NY Times, LA Times, Huffington Post, Rage Magazine and the Advocate. 
 In this episode we talk about:

Creating understanding and compassion

Overcoming perfectionism

James talks about becoming a “gay activist” and sharing his own story of conversion therapy

How to handle clients googling you when you’ve been real and shared your own story in a real way, especially when it comes into the room

Working within your own community

How advocacy is good marketing

Prevention efforts through social advocacy

Raising your voice to empower your clients

Aligning your work with your mission to stay energized and rejuvenated

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT)
 You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train by Howard Zinn
www.lynda.com
To learn more about James Guay, LMFT: www.livingmorefully.com
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with James Guay, LMFT</p><p>We so enjoyed talking with James Guay!</p><p>James Guay is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (#39252) inspired by seeing his clients transform from being perfectionistic, constantly on the go, feeling empty despite their successes to a place where they can finally truly relax, create a better work/life balance, and be more kind to themselves and others.</p><p>He’s also a social justice activist with a mission to help bring more compassion into the world — especially for oppressed minorities. To advance this cause, he’s testified against conversion therapy at California’s State Capital, appeared on Lisa Ling’s Our America show, appeared on various documentaries including VICE, and has been interviewed and/or written articles for Time, NY Times, LA Times, Huffington Post, Rage Magazine and the Advocate. </p><p> In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Creating understanding and compassion</li>
<li>Overcoming perfectionism</li>
<li>James talks about becoming a “gay activist” and sharing his own story of conversion therapy</li>
<li>How to handle clients googling you when you’ve been real and shared your own story in a real way, especially when it comes into the room</li>
<li>Working within your own community</li>
<li>How advocacy is good marketing</li>
<li>Prevention efforts through social advocacy</li>
<li>Raising your voice to empower your clients</li>
<li>Aligning your work with your mission to stay energized and rejuvenated</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.camft.org/">California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0043D2DDW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&amp;btkr=1"> You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train</a> by Howard Zinn</p><p><a href="http://www.lynda.com">www.lynda.com</a></p><p>To learn more about James Guay, LMFT: <a href="http://www.livingmorefully.com">www.livingmorefully.com</a></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at www.curtwidhalm.com.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at www.katievernoy.com.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p>]]>
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      <title>It’s Time to Think About Your Goals</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/its-time-to-think-about-your-goals</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Sorting through New Year’s Resolutions, developing goals, and creating habits

SMART goals

Why it’s important to have big goals, but also identify the small steps to get there

Paying attention to the context of your life when creating goals

Assessing what’s realistic and what is an appropriate stretch goal

The importance of accountability

How to balance what you put out there and what you keep under wraps

Celebrating accomplishment

How specific you need to be to create true life-style changes (and how long they really take)

The strategy of goal setting – asking for help, delegating, and deciding what you can just stop doing

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Profit from the Positive by Greenberg and Maymin
Katie’s  Embrace Your Leadership Event (in January 2018 in Los Angeles, CA)
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 </description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2018 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>It’s Time to Think About Your Goals: Curt and Katie talk about SMART goals, habits, and life-style changes</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:episode>18</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Curt and Katie talk about SMART goals, habits, and life-style changes</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Sorting through New Year’s Resolutions, developing goals, and creating habits

SMART goals

Why it’s important to have big goals, but also identify the small steps to get there

Paying attention to the context of your life when creating goals

Assessing what’s realistic and what is an appropriate stretch goal

The importance of accountability

How to balance what you put out there and what you keep under wraps

Celebrating accomplishment

How specific you need to be to create true life-style changes (and how long they really take)

The strategy of goal setting – asking for help, delegating, and deciding what you can just stop doing

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 Profit from the Positive by Greenberg and Maymin
Katie’s  Embrace Your Leadership Event (in January 2018 in Los Angeles, CA)
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: curtwidhalm.com.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: katievernoy.com.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Sorting through New Year’s Resolutions, developing goals, and creating habits</li>
<li>SMART goals</li>
<li>Why it’s important to have big goals, but also identify the small steps to get there</li>
<li>Paying attention to the context of your life when creating goals</li>
<li>Assessing what’s realistic and what is an appropriate stretch goal</li>
<li>The importance of accountability</li>
<li>How to balance what you put out there and what you keep under wraps</li>
<li>Celebrating accomplishment</li>
<li>How specific you need to be to create true life-style changes (and how long they really take)</li>
<li>The strategy of goal setting – asking for help, delegating, and deciding what you can just stop doing</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00COKLVIO/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&amp;btkr=1"> Profit from the Positive</a> by Greenberg and Maymin</p><p>Katie’s <a href="https://www.eventbrite.com/e/embrace-your-leadership-increase-your-impact-without-burning-out-tickets-40855869004"> Embrace Your Leadership</a> Event (in January 2018 in Los Angeles, CA)</p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: curtwidhalm.com.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: katievernoy.com.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-danger-of-poor-self-care-for-therapists</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The definitions of self-care

Legal and ethical codes require clinician self-care

Why self-care is hard for therapists

Active versus passive self-care

Proactive versus reactive self-care

Specific risks and strategies to overcome them

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Netflix
Wine
Napping
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 </description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Danger of Poor Self-Care for Therapists: Unique challenges and strategies for therapists to avoid the legal, ethical, and other consequences of burning out</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:episode>17</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Unique challenges and strategies for therapists to avoid the legal, ethical, and other consequences of burning out</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The definitions of self-care

Legal and ethical codes require clinician self-care

Why self-care is hard for therapists

Active versus passive self-care

Proactive versus reactive self-care

Specific risks and strategies to overcome them

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
Netflix
Wine
Napping
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The definitions of self-care</li>
<li>Legal and ethical codes require clinician self-care</li>
<li>Why self-care is hard for therapists</li>
<li>Active versus passive self-care</li>
<li>Proactive versus reactive self-care</li>
<li>Specific risks and strategies to overcome them</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="http://www.netlix.com/">Netflix</a></p><p><a href="http://www.totalwine.com/top-20-wines-of-2017">Wine</a></p><p>Napping</p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Bridging Cultural and Communication Differences in a Bilingual Psychotherapy Practice</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/bridging-cultural-and-communication-differences-in-a-bilingual-psychotherapy-practice</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Carmen Roman
We enjoyed talking with Dr. Carmen Roman!
Dr. Carmen Roman is a bilingual and bicultural psychotherapist with 25 years of experience working in both Mexico and in California. She combines both cultures and both worlds in the session. She specializes in creative expression as a form of treatment for sexual abuse, trauma, and immigration related stress. Some clinical issues she works with are: anxiety, depression, fear, severe trauma, or low self-esteem. Her clients are psychologists, counselors, religious leaders, and people in the entertainment industry. Based on Gestalt therapy she helps her clients to live with awareness, responsibility and in the here-and-now. Aided by the transpersonal psychology she addresses issues of spirituality, the use of meditation and shamanic experiences. She is a specialist in creative expression in therapy at master's and PhD levels.
In this episode we talk about:

Navigating a therapy practice serving 2 countries as well as numerous cultures and languages

Bringing psychotherapy to rural areas and indigenous people

Staying current with the Latino perspective, the language, and what is happening in Mexico

Cultural implications of diverse clientele – not assuming you understand and asking the right questions

The integration of philosophy, anthropology, and psychology

Unique challenges of a bilingual practice

The importance of social justice and “rescuing the dignity” of your clients

The implications of unplanned, unplugged time.

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
To learn more about Dr. Carmen Roman:
Website www.emotionsinharmony.com
Email her at carmen@armoniaemocional.com
Facebook https://www.facebook.com/DraCarmenRoman/
Twitter https://twitter.com/DraCarmenRoman
YouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/cafecitovirtual
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Bridging Cultural and Communication Differences in a Bilingual Psychotherapy Practice: An Interview with Dr. Carmen Roman of Emotions in Harmony</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/cc027636-690e-11ed-9001-8bb611f5729b/image/Episode_16.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Dr. Carmen Roman of Emotions in Harmony</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Carmen Roman
We enjoyed talking with Dr. Carmen Roman!
Dr. Carmen Roman is a bilingual and bicultural psychotherapist with 25 years of experience working in both Mexico and in California. She combines both cultures and both worlds in the session. She specializes in creative expression as a form of treatment for sexual abuse, trauma, and immigration related stress. Some clinical issues she works with are: anxiety, depression, fear, severe trauma, or low self-esteem. Her clients are psychologists, counselors, religious leaders, and people in the entertainment industry. Based on Gestalt therapy she helps her clients to live with awareness, responsibility and in the here-and-now. Aided by the transpersonal psychology she addresses issues of spirituality, the use of meditation and shamanic experiences. She is a specialist in creative expression in therapy at master's and PhD levels.
In this episode we talk about:

Navigating a therapy practice serving 2 countries as well as numerous cultures and languages

Bringing psychotherapy to rural areas and indigenous people

Staying current with the Latino perspective, the language, and what is happening in Mexico

Cultural implications of diverse clientele – not assuming you understand and asking the right questions

The integration of philosophy, anthropology, and psychology

Unique challenges of a bilingual practice

The importance of social justice and “rescuing the dignity” of your clients

The implications of unplanned, unplugged time.

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
To learn more about Dr. Carmen Roman:
Website www.emotionsinharmony.com
Email her at carmen@armoniaemocional.com
Facebook https://www.facebook.com/DraCarmenRoman/
Twitter https://twitter.com/DraCarmenRoman
YouTube https://www.youtube.com/user/cafecitovirtual
 Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Carmen Roman</p><p>We enjoyed talking with Dr. Carmen Roman!</p><p>Dr. Carmen Roman is a bilingual and bicultural psychotherapist with 25 years of experience working in both Mexico and in California. She combines both cultures and both worlds in the session. She specializes in creative expression as a form of treatment for sexual abuse, trauma, and immigration related stress. Some clinical issues she works with are: anxiety, depression, fear, severe trauma, or low self-esteem. Her clients are psychologists, counselors, religious leaders, and people in the entertainment industry. Based on Gestalt therapy she helps her clients to live with awareness, responsibility and in the here-and-now. Aided by the transpersonal psychology she addresses issues of spirituality, the use of meditation and shamanic experiences. She is a specialist in creative expression in therapy at master's and PhD levels.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Navigating a therapy practice serving 2 countries as well as numerous cultures and languages</li>
<li>Bringing psychotherapy to rural areas and indigenous people</li>
<li>Staying current with the Latino perspective, the language, and what is happening in Mexico</li>
<li>Cultural implications of diverse clientele – not assuming you understand and asking the right questions</li>
<li>The integration of philosophy, anthropology, and psychology</li>
<li>Unique challenges of a bilingual practice</li>
<li>The importance of social justice and “rescuing the dignity” of your clients</li>
<li>The implications of unplanned, unplugged time.</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>To learn more about Dr. Carmen Roman:</p><p>Website <a href="http://www.emotionsinharmony.com">www.emotionsinharmony.com</a></p><p>Email her at <a href="mailto:carmen@armoniaemocional.com">carmen@armoniaemocional.com</a></p><p>Facebook <a href="https://www.facebook.com/DraCarmenRoman/">https://www.facebook.com/DraCarmenRoman/</a></p><p>Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/DraCarmenRoman">https://twitter.com/DraCarmenRoman</a></p><p>YouTube <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/cafecitovirtual">https://www.youtube.com/user/cafecitovirtual</a></p><p> Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p>]]>
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      <title>A Brief Chat with Dr. Philip Zimbardo</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Philip Zimbardo
We were so honored to talk with Dr. Philip Zimbardo at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference!
Philip G. Zimbardo is an internationally recognized scholar, educator, researcher and media personality, winning numerous awards and honors in each of these domains. He has been a Stanford University professor since 1968, having taught previously at Yale, NYU and Columbia. Zimbardo's career is noted for giving psychology away to the public through his popular PBS-TV series, Discovering Psychology, along with many text and trade books, among his 300 publications. He was recently president of the American Psychological Association.
In this episode we talk about:

Positive Psychology

Becoming a modern-day hero

Zimbardo’s wife, Christina Maslach and the Maslach Burnout Inventory

Rebranding from working on evil

Curt and Katie geeking out

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
To learn more about Dr. Philip Zimbardo: http://www.zimbardo.com
He was also open for questions: drzimbardo@gmail.com
The Heroic Imagination Project: https://www.heroicimagination.org
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
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      <pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>A Brief Chat with Dr. Philip Zimbardo: Becoming a Modern-Day Hero, Positive Psychology, and Addressing Burnout</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:episode>15</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Becoming a Modern-Day Hero, Positive Psychology, and Addressing Burnout</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Philip Zimbardo
We were so honored to talk with Dr. Philip Zimbardo at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference!
Philip G. Zimbardo is an internationally recognized scholar, educator, researcher and media personality, winning numerous awards and honors in each of these domains. He has been a Stanford University professor since 1968, having taught previously at Yale, NYU and Columbia. Zimbardo's career is noted for giving psychology away to the public through his popular PBS-TV series, Discovering Psychology, along with many text and trade books, among his 300 publications. He was recently president of the American Psychological Association.
In this episode we talk about:

Positive Psychology

Becoming a modern-day hero

Zimbardo’s wife, Christina Maslach and the Maslach Burnout Inventory

Rebranding from working on evil

Curt and Katie geeking out

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
To learn more about Dr. Philip Zimbardo: http://www.zimbardo.com
He was also open for questions: drzimbardo@gmail.com
The Heroic Imagination Project: https://www.heroicimagination.org
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Philip Zimbardo</p><p>We were so honored to talk with Dr. Philip Zimbardo at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference!</p><p>Philip G. Zimbardo is an internationally recognized scholar, educator, researcher and media personality, winning numerous awards and honors in each of these domains. He has been a Stanford University professor since 1968, having taught previously at Yale, NYU and Columbia. Zimbardo's career is noted for giving psychology away to the public through his popular PBS-TV series, Discovering Psychology, along with many text and trade books, among his 300 publications. He was recently president of the American Psychological Association.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Positive Psychology</li>
<li>Becoming a modern-day hero</li>
<li>Zimbardo’s wife, Christina Maslach and the Maslach Burnout Inventory</li>
<li>Rebranding from working on evil</li>
<li>Curt and Katie geeking out</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>To learn more about Dr. Philip Zimbardo: <a href="http://www.zimbardo.com">http://www.zimbardo.com</a></p><p>He was also open for questions: <a href="mailto:drzimbardo@gmail.com">drzimbardo@gmail.com</a></p><p>The Heroic Imagination Project: <a href="https://www.heroicimagination.org">https://www.heroicimagination.org</a></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>A Brief Chat with Dr. Michael Yapko</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Michael Yapko
We were so honored to talk with Dr. Michael Yapko at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference!
Michael D. Yapko, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and marriage and family therapist residing in Fallbrook, California. He is internationally recognized for his work in developing strategic, outcome-focused psychotherapies, the advanced clinical applications of hypnosis, and active, short-term non-pharmacological treatments of depression. He routinely teaches to professional audiences all over the world. To date, he has been invited to present his ideas and methods to colleagues in more than 30 countries across six continents, and all over the United States.
Dr. Yapko has been a passionate advocate for redefining how we think about and treat peoples’ problems, especially the most common ones of anxiety and depression. He has been a vocal critic of medicalizing such problems by calling them illnesses when there is substantial evidence that they are about much more than biology alone. He further questions the all-too-common treatment approach of simply medicating people with drugs whose safety and efficacy are highly questionable.
In this episode we talk about:

Additional reflections on The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference

The importance of psychotherapy

How therapists have shot themselves in the foot

The problem of bioreductionism (we are not only our brains)

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
To learn more about Dr. Michael Yapko: https://yapko.com/michael-yapko/
 
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:15:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>A Brief Chat with Dr. Michael Yapko: The Importance of Psychotherapy and the Problem of Bioreductionism</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:episode>14</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>The Importance of Psychotherapy and the Problem of Bioreductionism</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Dr. Michael Yapko
We were so honored to talk with Dr. Michael Yapko at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference!
Michael D. Yapko, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and marriage and family therapist residing in Fallbrook, California. He is internationally recognized for his work in developing strategic, outcome-focused psychotherapies, the advanced clinical applications of hypnosis, and active, short-term non-pharmacological treatments of depression. He routinely teaches to professional audiences all over the world. To date, he has been invited to present his ideas and methods to colleagues in more than 30 countries across six continents, and all over the United States.
Dr. Yapko has been a passionate advocate for redefining how we think about and treat peoples’ problems, especially the most common ones of anxiety and depression. He has been a vocal critic of medicalizing such problems by calling them illnesses when there is substantial evidence that they are about much more than biology alone. He further questions the all-too-common treatment approach of simply medicating people with drugs whose safety and efficacy are highly questionable.
In this episode we talk about:

Additional reflections on The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference

The importance of psychotherapy

How therapists have shot themselves in the foot

The problem of bioreductionism (we are not only our brains)

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
To learn more about Dr. Michael Yapko: https://yapko.com/michael-yapko/
 
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>Interview with Dr. Michael Yapko</p><p>We were so honored to talk with Dr. Michael Yapko at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference!</p><p>Michael D. Yapko, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and marriage and family therapist residing in Fallbrook, California. He is internationally recognized for his work in developing strategic, outcome-focused psychotherapies, the advanced clinical applications of hypnosis, and active, short-term non-pharmacological treatments of depression. He routinely teaches to professional audiences all over the world. To date, he has been invited to present his ideas and methods to colleagues in more than 30 countries across six continents, and all over the United States.</p><p>Dr. Yapko has been a passionate advocate for redefining how we think about and treat peoples’ problems, especially the most common ones of anxiety and depression. He has been a vocal critic of medicalizing such problems by calling them illnesses when there is substantial evidence that they are about much more than biology alone. He further questions the all-too-common treatment approach of simply medicating people with drugs whose safety and efficacy are highly questionable.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Additional reflections on The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference</li>
<li>The importance of psychotherapy</li>
<li>How therapists have shot themselves in the foot</li>
<li>The problem of bioreductionism (we are not only our brains)</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p>To learn more about Dr. Michael Yapko: <a href="https://yapko.com/michael-yapko/">https://yapko.com/michael-yapko/</a></p><p> </p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Reflections on The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference</title>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:
We reflect on our experiences during the conference as well as share perspectives from a wide array of participants and fellow exhibitors:
Amelia Mosley, Amethyst Kianipur, Arlen Grajeda, Boonie Sripom, Felician Douville, Frances Robbins, Jennie Steinberg, Karin Matthews, Katrina Watkins, Kenneth Rudnicki, Khali Koetting, Mercedes Samudio, and Robyn D’Angelo, Amanda Schaeffer (Good Therapy), Anita Avedian (Anger Management 818), Dana Schwartz (Center for Discovery), Heather Potter (Thera-Link), Howard Spector (SimplePractice), Jo Muirhead, Nancy Milazzo (CAMFT), Nicol Stolar-Peterson (Therapist Court Prep), and Perry Rosenblum (Brighter Vision)
Topics discussed:
#ModernTherapistProblems
#EvolveMore
And how amazing and rejuvenating it can be to go to the Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference and connect with other clinicians!
 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
No specific resources this episode, but stay tuned because we have a couple more special episodes from this conference coming this week!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2017 08:32:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Reflections on The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference: Modern Therapist Problems and the Question of Diversity</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:episode>13</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Modern Therapist Problems and the Question of Diversity</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:
We reflect on our experiences during the conference as well as share perspectives from a wide array of participants and fellow exhibitors:
Amelia Mosley, Amethyst Kianipur, Arlen Grajeda, Boonie Sripom, Felician Douville, Frances Robbins, Jennie Steinberg, Karin Matthews, Katrina Watkins, Kenneth Rudnicki, Khali Koetting, Mercedes Samudio, and Robyn D’Angelo, Amanda Schaeffer (Good Therapy), Anita Avedian (Anger Management 818), Dana Schwartz (Center for Discovery), Heather Potter (Thera-Link), Howard Spector (SimplePractice), Jo Muirhead, Nancy Milazzo (CAMFT), Nicol Stolar-Peterson (Therapist Court Prep), and Perry Rosenblum (Brighter Vision)
Topics discussed:
#ModernTherapistProblems
#EvolveMore
And how amazing and rejuvenating it can be to go to the Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference and connect with other clinicians!
 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
No specific resources this episode, but stay tuned because we have a couple more special episodes from this conference coming this week!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><p>We reflect on our experiences during the conference as well as share perspectives from a wide array of participants and fellow exhibitors:</p><p>Amelia Mosley, Amethyst Kianipur, Arlen Grajeda, Boonie Sripom, Felician Douville, Frances Robbins, Jennie Steinberg, Karin Matthews, Katrina Watkins, Kenneth Rudnicki, Khali Koetting, Mercedes Samudio, and Robyn D’Angelo, Amanda Schaeffer (Good Therapy), Anita Avedian (Anger Management 818), Dana Schwartz (Center for Discovery), Heather Potter (Thera-Link), Howard Spector (SimplePractice), Jo Muirhead, Nancy Milazzo (CAMFT), Nicol Stolar-Peterson (Therapist Court Prep), and Perry Rosenblum (Brighter Vision)</p><p>Topics discussed:</p><p>#ModernTherapistProblems</p><p>#EvolveMore</p><p>And how amazing and rejuvenating it can be to go to the Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference and connect with other clinicians!</p><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><em>No specific resources this episode, but stay tuned because we have a couple more special episodes from this conference coming this week!</em></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p>Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p>]]>
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      <title>Having Fun at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference</title>
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      <description>Episode 12: Having Fun at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference
Survival Guide Tips, Tools, and Name Dropping
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:
We’re having a great time at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference!!
We sat down and talked with so many of the exhibitors and participants.
Adam Luke, Alise Bartley, Ben Caldwell, Chris Williams, Cori Rosenthal, Douglas Evans, Ernesto Segismundo, Frances J. Harvey, Jason Odegaard, Jean Penilla, Jill Johnson-Young, Jo Muirhead, Joanne Holbert, Joey Tapia-Fuselier, Kelly Higdon, Lilia Carey, Maelissa Hall, Melissa Garcia, Miranda Palmer, Rachel McMurray, Saba Harouni Lurie, Sana Vawda, Sandra Miller, Sherry Shockey-Pope, Silvy Khoucasian, Susette Magana, Terry Heptinstall, Uriah Guilford, and Zanetta Van Putten
We have more interviews to come!! Check back!!
 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
We’re going to be at Exhibitor Table #142 at the conference. Come visit us to meet us, hop on the podcast or livestream, and to take advantage of our giveaways and raffles. Learn about our exciting events for next year and sign up for opportunities to get extra special rates during our flash sale!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:10:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Having Fun at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference: Talking about Modern Therapist Problems in the Exhibitor Hall</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Talking about Modern Therapist Problems in the Exhibitor Hall</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Episode 12: Having Fun at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference
Survival Guide Tips, Tools, and Name Dropping
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:
We’re having a great time at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference!!
We sat down and talked with so many of the exhibitors and participants.
Adam Luke, Alise Bartley, Ben Caldwell, Chris Williams, Cori Rosenthal, Douglas Evans, Ernesto Segismundo, Frances J. Harvey, Jason Odegaard, Jean Penilla, Jill Johnson-Young, Jo Muirhead, Joanne Holbert, Joey Tapia-Fuselier, Kelly Higdon, Lilia Carey, Maelissa Hall, Melissa Garcia, Miranda Palmer, Rachel McMurray, Saba Harouni Lurie, Sana Vawda, Sandra Miller, Sherry Shockey-Pope, Silvy Khoucasian, Susette Magana, Terry Heptinstall, Uriah Guilford, and Zanetta Van Putten
We have more interviews to come!! Check back!!
 
Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
We’re going to be at Exhibitor Table #142 at the conference. Come visit us to meet us, hop on the podcast or livestream, and to take advantage of our giveaways and raffles. Learn about our exciting events for next year and sign up for opportunities to get extra special rates during our flash sale!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Episode 12: Having Fun at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference</p><p>Survival Guide Tips, Tools, and Name Dropping</p><p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><p>We’re having a great time at The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference!!</p><p>We sat down and talked with so many of the exhibitors and participants.</p><p>Adam Luke, Alise Bartley, Ben Caldwell, Chris Williams, Cori Rosenthal, Douglas Evans, Ernesto Segismundo, Frances J. Harvey, Jason Odegaard, Jean Penilla, Jill Johnson-Young, Jo Muirhead, Joanne Holbert, Joey Tapia-Fuselier, Kelly Higdon, Lilia Carey, Maelissa Hall, Melissa Garcia, Miranda Palmer, Rachel McMurray, Saba Harouni Lurie, Sana Vawda, Sandra Miller, Sherry Shockey-Pope, Silvy Khoucasian, Susette Magana, Terry Heptinstall, Uriah Guilford, and Zanetta Van Putten</p><p>We have more interviews to come!! Check back!!</p><p> </p><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><em>We’re going to be at Exhibitor Table #142 at the conference. Come visit us to meet us, hop on the podcast or livestream, and to take advantage of our giveaways and raffles. Learn about our exciting events for next year and sign up for opportunities to get extra special rates during our flash sale!</em></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p>]]>
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      <title>Getting Ready for The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/getting-ready-for-the-evolution-of-psychotherapy-conference</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Navigating the conference

Geeking out over therapy

Connecting with colleagues all over the world

Survival Guide Tips:

Plan to support your own stamina

Pick speakers, not topics (don’t miss people this time around – they may not be around the next time)

Go early to get good seats at the big talks

Names we drop

Bandura, both Becks, Chopra, Glasser, Loftus, Meichenbaum, Miller, Minuchin, Morisette, Siegel, Yalom, Zieg, Zimbardo

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
We’re going to be at Exhibitor Table #142 at the conference. Come visit us to meet us, hop on the podcast or livestream, and to take advantage of our giveaways and raffles. Learn about our exciting events for next year and sign up for opportunities to get extra special rates during our flash sale!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 </description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Getting Ready for The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference: Survival Guide Tips, Tools, and Name Dropping</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Survival Guide Tips, Tools, and Name Dropping</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Navigating the conference

Geeking out over therapy

Connecting with colleagues all over the world

Survival Guide Tips:

Plan to support your own stamina

Pick speakers, not topics (don’t miss people this time around – they may not be around the next time)

Go early to get good seats at the big talks

Names we drop

Bandura, both Becks, Chopra, Glasser, Loftus, Meichenbaum, Miller, Minuchin, Morisette, Siegel, Yalom, Zieg, Zimbardo

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
We’re going to be at Exhibitor Table #142 at the conference. Come visit us to meet us, hop on the podcast or livestream, and to take advantage of our giveaways and raffles. Learn about our exciting events for next year and sign up for opportunities to get extra special rates during our flash sale!
Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Navigating the conference</li>
<li>Geeking out over therapy</li>
<li>Connecting with colleagues all over the world</li>
<li>Survival Guide Tips:</li>
<li>Plan to support your own stamina</li>
<li>Pick speakers, not topics (don’t miss people this time around – they may not be around the next time)</li>
<li>Go early to get good seats at the big talks</li>
<li>Names we drop</li>
<li>Bandura, both Becks, Chopra, Glasser, Loftus, Meichenbaum, Miller, Minuchin, Morisette, Siegel, Yalom, Zieg, Zimbardo</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><em>We’re going to be at Exhibitor Table #142 at the conference. Come visit us to meet us, hop on the podcast or livestream, and to take advantage of our giveaways and raffles. Learn about our exciting events for next year and sign up for opportunities to get extra special rates during our flash sale!</em></p><p>Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p><p> </p>]]>
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      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

When and how to talk about politics and religion

Authenticity versus poor boundaries

Countertransference, here and now feelings, and following the client’s lead

Remembering that clients don’t have to hold confidentiality for us

How and when to pull back the curtain about why you’re using a specific intervention

Processing (without over-processing) shifts in the relationships, personal disclosure, and human interactions

When to maintain objectivity and when to share your perspective and emotions

Understanding how your appearance affects your clients

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 The Gift of Therapy by Irvin Yalom                                 
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when Katie is speaking for Curt.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
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      <itunes:title>How Much is TOO Much? Authenticity informed by appropriate boundaries, humanity, and clinical efficacy</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

When and how to talk about politics and religion

Authenticity versus poor boundaries

Countertransference, here and now feelings, and following the client’s lead

Remembering that clients don’t have to hold confidentiality for us

How and when to pull back the curtain about why you’re using a specific intervention

Processing (without over-processing) shifts in the relationships, personal disclosure, and human interactions

When to maintain objectivity and when to share your perspective and emotions

Understanding how your appearance affects your clients

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 The Gift of Therapy by Irvin Yalom                                 
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when Katie is speaking for Curt.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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<li>When and how to talk about politics and religion</li>
<li>Authenticity versus poor boundaries</li>
<li>Countertransference, here and now feelings, and following the client’s lead</li>
<li>Remembering that clients don’t have to hold confidentiality for us</li>
<li>How and when to pull back the curtain about why you’re using a specific intervention</li>
<li>Processing (without over-processing) shifts in the relationships, personal disclosure, and human interactions</li>
<li>When to maintain objectivity and when to share your perspective and emotions</li>
<li>Understanding how your appearance affects your clients</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CD361DC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&amp;btkr=1"> The Gift of Therapy by Irvin Yalom</a>                                 </p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when Katie is speaking for Curt.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p>]]>
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      <title>Vulnerability, Mistakes, and The Impostor Syndrome</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/vulnerability-mistakes-and-the-impostor-syndrome</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Vulnerability, self-judgment and the Impostor Syndrome

Being a human being in the room, while holding boundaries

How to cope with clients responding to you, not just “therapy” or “mental health stigma”

Handling mistakes and making repair (and avoiding blaming your clients)

The scourge of perfectionism

Claiming your whole self (even the goofy parts)

What boundaries you should hold related to telling your own story

Inviting feedback from your clients

How being available 24/7 has increased vulnerability

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
No specific resources were mentioned in this episode because we’re just plain lazy. Want to read about vulnerability? Try anything by  Brene Brown – she is fabulous!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when Katie is speaking for Curt – which, let’s face it, is in everyone’s best interest.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
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      <pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Vulnerability, Mistakes, and The Impostor Syndrome: How to navigate through being a human being AND a therapist (at the same time)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>How to navigate through being a human being AND a therapist (at the same time)</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

Vulnerability, self-judgment and the Impostor Syndrome

Being a human being in the room, while holding boundaries

How to cope with clients responding to you, not just “therapy” or “mental health stigma”

Handling mistakes and making repair (and avoiding blaming your clients)

The scourge of perfectionism

Claiming your whole self (even the goofy parts)

What boundaries you should hold related to telling your own story

Inviting feedback from your clients

How being available 24/7 has increased vulnerability

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
No specific resources were mentioned in this episode because we’re just plain lazy. Want to read about vulnerability? Try anything by  Brene Brown – she is fabulous!!
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
A Quick Note:
Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when Katie is speaking for Curt – which, let’s face it, is in everyone’s best interest.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/
 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Vulnerability, self-judgment and the Impostor Syndrome</li>
<li>Being a human being in the room, while holding boundaries</li>
<li>How to cope with clients responding to you, not just “therapy” or “mental health stigma”</li>
<li>Handling mistakes and making repair (and avoiding blaming your clients)</li>
<li>The scourge of perfectionism</li>
<li>Claiming your whole self (even the goofy parts)</li>
<li>What boundaries you should hold related to telling your own story</li>
<li>Inviting feedback from your clients</li>
<li>How being available 24/7 has increased vulnerability</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><em>No specific resources were mentioned in this episode because we’re just plain lazy. Want to read about vulnerability? Try anything by </em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bren%C3%A9-Brown/e/B001JP45BA/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1512451286&amp;sr=8-2-ent"><em> Brene Brown</em></a><em> – she is fabulous!!</em></p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.</p><p>A Quick Note:</p><p>Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when Katie is speaking for Curt – which, let’s face it, is in everyone’s best interest.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p><p> </p>]]>
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      <title>Creating an Effective Schedule</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/creating-an-effective-schedule</link>
      <description>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The importance of time management related to trust, competence, and well-being

How to manage your time, energy, and priorities

How often self-care can be pushed out of our schedule (and why that’s so bad)

Steven Covey’s Big Rocks

Putting buffers in, transition time, and back up plans (for after vacation, when sick, etc.)

What a crisis really is (and how non-crises can derail us)

“Just in time” scheduling

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together the resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Steven Covey
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Creating an Effective Schedule: Talking about time management, self-care, managing crises, and competence</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Talking about time management, self-care, managing crises, and competence</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
In this episode we talk about:

The importance of time management related to trust, competence, and well-being

How to manage your time, energy, and priorities

How often self-care can be pushed out of our schedule (and why that’s so bad)

Steven Covey’s Big Rocks

Putting buffers in, transition time, and back up plans (for after vacation, when sick, etc.)

What a crisis really is (and how non-crises can derail us)

“Just in time” scheduling

Resources mentioned:
We’ve pulled together the resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.
 The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Steven Covey
 Who we are:
Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.
 
Stay in Touch:
www.mtsgpodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/
https://twitter.com/therapymovement
 
Credits:
Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/
Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.</p><p>To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.</p><p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>The importance of time management related to trust, competence, and well-being</li>
<li>How to manage your time, energy, and priorities</li>
<li>How often self-care can be pushed out of our schedule (and why that’s so bad)</li>
<li>Steven Covey’s Big Rocks</li>
<li>Putting buffers in, transition time, and back up plans (for after vacation, when sick, etc.)</li>
<li>What a crisis really is (and how non-crises can derail us)</li>
<li>“Just in time” scheduling</li>
</ul><p>Resources mentioned:</p><p>We’ve pulled together the resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Habits-Highly-Effective-People-Powerful-ebook/dp/B00GOZV3TM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1511925243&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=the+7+habits+of+highly+effective+people"> The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People</a> by Steven Covey</p><p> Who we are:</p><p>Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage &amp; Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby.</p><p>Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world.</p><p> </p><p>Stay in Touch:</p><p><a href="http://www.mtsgpodcast.com">www.mtsgpodcast.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/">https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/therapymovement">https://twitter.com/therapymovement</a></p><p> </p><p>Credits:</p><p>Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/</p><p>Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/</p>]]>
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      <title>Becoming a Group Practice Owner</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/becoming-a-group-practice-owner</link>
      <description>In this episode we talk with Maureen Werrbach about all things Group Practice:

What to consider when starting a group practice

Business plans and finances

How to shift your marketing and branding for a group practice

Structuring your practice and your schedule 

Guilt and self-doubt 

Hiring, mentoring, and workplace culture

How to build a strong team

The mistakes Maureen made (and what she says to do differently)</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Becoming a Group Practice Owner: An interview with Maureen Werrbach of The Group Practice Exchange on practical considerations, common mistakes, and suggested solutions for therapists ready to grow their business</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>In this episode we talk with Maureen Werrbach about all things Group Practice:

What to consider when starting a group practice

Business plans and finances

How to shift your marketing and branding for a group practice

Structuring your practice and your schedule 

Guilt and self-doubt 

Hiring, mentoring, and workplace culture

How to build a strong team

The mistakes Maureen made (and what she says to do differently)</itunes:summary>
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<li>What to consider when starting a group practice</li>
<li>Business plans and finances</li>
<li>How to shift your marketing and branding for a group practice</li>
<li>Structuring your practice and your schedule </li>
<li>Guilt and self-doubt </li>
<li>Hiring, mentoring, and workplace culture</li>
<li>How to build a strong team</li>
<li>The mistakes Maureen made (and what she says to do differently)</li>
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      <title>Navigating the Holidays as a Therapist</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/navigating-the-holidays-as-a-therapist</link>
      <description>In this episode we talk about:

Whether you should decorate your office

What to do about gifts

Potential trauma, triggers, pitfalls, and challenges related to holidays for clients

Diversity of your clients, colleagues, and community 

Navigating scheduling challenges during the holidays

Fluctuating caseloads

Deciding whether to eat with your clients

Helping clients to cope during the holidays

Thanking referral sources during the holidays</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2017 05:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Navigating the Holidays as a Therapist: A Conversation About Decorating, Gifts, Food, and Scheduling (related to your therapy practice)</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/cf20ac0c-690e-11ed-9001-47103b2e194f/image/Episode_6_Navigating_the_Holidays_as_a_Therapist.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>A Conversation About Decorating, Gifts, Food, and Scheduling (related to your therapy practice)</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>In this episode we talk about:

Whether you should decorate your office

What to do about gifts

Potential trauma, triggers, pitfalls, and challenges related to holidays for clients

Diversity of your clients, colleagues, and community 

Navigating scheduling challenges during the holidays

Fluctuating caseloads

Deciding whether to eat with your clients

Helping clients to cope during the holidays

Thanking referral sources during the holidays</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>Whether you should decorate your office</li>
<li>What to do about gifts</li>
<li>Potential trauma, triggers, pitfalls, and challenges related to holidays for clients</li>
<li>Diversity of your clients, colleagues, and community </li>
<li>Navigating scheduling challenges during the holidays</li>
<li>Fluctuating caseloads</li>
<li>Deciding whether to eat with your clients</li>
<li>Helping clients to cope during the holidays</li>
<li>Thanking referral sources during the holidays</li>
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      <title>Therapist Know Thyself</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/therapist-know-thyself</link>
      <description>In this episode, we talk about:

How to assess ourselves

Identifying who are clients are and how they find us

How to screen clients appropriately

Using humor – when, how, and why

Being yourself while holding appropriate boundaries

Evaluating clinical efficacy

Talking about the therapeutic relationship with your client

The importance of community, consultation, supervision, and feedback</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Therapist Know Thyself: A discussion of self-awareness and self-assessment to improve your clinical skills and your career</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/cf70e51e-690e-11ed-9001-7777033ef00d/image/Episode_5_Therapist_Know_Thyself.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>A discussion about Self-Awareness and Self-Assessment, to Improve your Clinical Skills and your Career</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>In this episode, we talk about:

How to assess ourselves

Identifying who are clients are and how they find us

How to screen clients appropriately

Using humor – when, how, and why

Being yourself while holding appropriate boundaries

Evaluating clinical efficacy

Talking about the therapeutic relationship with your client

The importance of community, consultation, supervision, and feedback</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we talk about:</p><ul>
<li>How to assess ourselves</li>
<li>Identifying who are clients are and how they find us</li>
<li>How to screen clients appropriately</li>
<li>Using humor – when, how, and why</li>
<li>Being yourself while holding appropriate boundaries</li>
<li>Evaluating clinical efficacy</li>
<li>Talking about the therapeutic relationship with your client</li>
<li>The importance of community, consultation, supervision, and feedback</li>
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      <title>In-Person Networking</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/in-person-networking</link>
      <description> 
Networking is an important skill for all therapists. In this episode we answer the following questions:

Why is networking important?

What are the common challenges that therapists face?

How to network effectively

Developing and talking about your niche

Becoming memorable to get more referrals – your personal brand

Giving out business cards and how to follow up

Strategies for effective coffee meetings

Developing a collaborative treatment team of referral partners

 </description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>In-Person Networking: How to Network as a Private Practitioner and Why It's Important</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>How to Network as a Private Practitioner and Why It's Important</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary> 
Networking is an important skill for all therapists. In this episode we answer the following questions:

Why is networking important?

What are the common challenges that therapists face?

How to network effectively

Developing and talking about your niche

Becoming memorable to get more referrals – your personal brand

Giving out business cards and how to follow up

Strategies for effective coffee meetings

Developing a collaborative treatment team of referral partners

 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p> </p><p>Networking is an important skill for all therapists. In this episode we answer the following questions:</p><ul>
<li>Why is networking important?</li>
<li>What are the common challenges that therapists face?</li>
<li>How to network effectively</li>
<li>Developing and talking about your niche</li>
<li>Becoming memorable to get more referrals – your personal brand</li>
<li>Giving out business cards and how to follow up</li>
<li>Strategies for effective coffee meetings</li>
<li>Developing a collaborative treatment team of referral partners</li>
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    <item>
      <title>Self-Care, Self-Compassion, and Self-Awareness for Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/self-care-self-compassion-and-self-awareness-for-therapists</link>
      <description>After healing her own burnout, Jamie Stacks, LPC began a crusade to help other clinicians with their self-care. 
In this episode, we address the following:

Self-care as an ethical imperative

A holistic approach to self-care

The importance of community

Why balance is B.S.

Self-compassion

Blocks to self-care including time and guilt

Jamie's burnout story and how she spends her days now

Jamie's coffee habit</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Self-Care, Self-Compassion, and Self-Care for Therapists: An Interview with Jamie Stacks, LPC</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>An Interview with Jamie Stacks, LPC</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>After healing her own burnout, Jamie Stacks, LPC began a crusade to help other clinicians with their self-care. 
In this episode, we address the following:

Self-care as an ethical imperative

A holistic approach to self-care

The importance of community

Why balance is B.S.

Self-compassion

Blocks to self-care including time and guilt

Jamie's burnout story and how she spends her days now

Jamie's coffee habit</itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>After healing her own burnout, Jamie Stacks, LPC began a crusade to help other clinicians with their self-care. </p><p>In this episode, we address the following:</p><ul>
<li>Self-care as an ethical imperative</li>
<li>A holistic approach to self-care</li>
<li>The importance of community</li>
<li>Why balance is B.S.</li>
<li>Self-compassion</li>
<li>Blocks to self-care including time and guilt</li>
<li>Jamie's burnout story and how she spends her days now</li>
<li>Jamie's coffee habit</li>
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    <item>
      <title>Social Media and Video Marketing for Therapists</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/social-media-and-video-marketing-for-therapists</link>
      <description>We had a blast talking with Ernesto Segismundo Jr. M.S. LMFT, of Fylmit.com about all things social media and video marketing.

Creating a therapist social media presence

Legal and Ethical issues related to posting video content online 

The importance of authenticity and genuineness for your personal brand

How to get visibility on Social Media 

Creating community and engagement with referral sources and colleagues online

 </description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:30:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>Social Media and Video Marketing for Therapists</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/d060fd74-690e-11ed-9001-4f87b2f7a0fe/image/Interview_Episode_with_Ernesto_Segismundo.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&amp;max-w=3000&amp;max-h=3000&amp;fit=crop&amp;auto=format,compress"/>
      <itunes:subtitle>A Conversation with Ernesto Segismundo Jr. M.S. LMFT of Fylmit.com</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>We had a blast talking with Ernesto Segismundo Jr. M.S. LMFT, of Fylmit.com about all things social media and video marketing.

Creating a therapist social media presence

Legal and Ethical issues related to posting video content online 

The importance of authenticity and genuineness for your personal brand

How to get visibility on Social Media 

Creating community and engagement with referral sources and colleagues online

 </itunes:summary>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We had a blast talking with Ernesto Segismundo Jr. M.S. LMFT, of Fylmit.com about all things social media and video marketing.</p><ul>
<li>Creating a therapist social media presence</li>
<li>Legal and Ethical issues related to posting video content online </li>
<li>The importance of authenticity and genuineness for your personal brand</li>
<li>How to get visibility on Social Media </li>
<li>Creating community and engagement with referral sources and colleagues online</li>
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      <title>What is a Modern Therapist?</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/what-is-a-modern-therapist</link>
      <description>In this episode:
 

How has psychotherapy changed?

What do modern clients, patients want?

Private, personal, and professional parts of life.

Living your personal brand

Can we take our clients further than we’ve gone ourselves?

Benefits of being a “whole person” or human therapist.

Self-assessment and clinical efficacy.

Challenges of the therapist/business-owner.

Self-care, boundaries, and avoiding burnout.

Katie and Curt talk about their worst sessions

 </description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2017 14:30:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>What is a Modern Therapist?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>A discussion of modern psychotherapy and the challenges modern therapists face</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>In this episode:
 

How has psychotherapy changed?

What do modern clients, patients want?

Private, personal, and professional parts of life.

Living your personal brand

Can we take our clients further than we’ve gone ourselves?

Benefits of being a “whole person” or human therapist.

Self-assessment and clinical efficacy.

Challenges of the therapist/business-owner.

Self-care, boundaries, and avoiding burnout.

Katie and Curt talk about their worst sessions

 </itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode:</p><p> </p><ul>
<li>How has psychotherapy changed?</li>
<li>What do modern clients, patients want?</li>
<li>Private, personal, and professional parts of life.</li>
<li>Living your personal brand</li>
<li>Can we take our clients further than we’ve gone ourselves?</li>
<li>Benefits of being a “whole person” or human therapist.</li>
<li>Self-assessment and clinical efficacy.</li>
<li>Challenges of the therapist/business-owner.</li>
<li>Self-care, boundaries, and avoiding burnout.</li>
<li>Katie and Curt talk about their worst sessions</li>
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      <title>The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide Introduction</title>
      <link>https://mtsgpodcast.libsyn.com/the-modern-therapists-survival-guide-introduction</link>
      <description>Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy have a brand new podcast, talking about how to navigate Modern Therapist Problems: 

Private Practice building and business ownership

Social Media

Personal Branding

Authenticity - in your marketing and in the room

Moving away from being a blank slate and the medical model of mental health treatment

Self-care as a helper, therapist, social worker, or counselor</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0000</pubDate>
      <itunes:title>The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide Introduction</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <itunes:author>Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Who We Are and Why We're Starting This Podcast</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:summary>Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy have a brand new podcast, talking about how to navigate Modern Therapist Problems: 

Private Practice building and business ownership

Social Media

Personal Branding

Authenticity - in your marketing and in the room

Moving away from being a blank slate and the medical model of mental health treatment

Self-care as a helper, therapist, social worker, or counselor</itunes:summary>
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<li>Private Practice building and business ownership</li>
<li>Social Media</li>
<li>Personal Branding</li>
<li>Authenticity - in your marketing and in the room</li>
<li>Moving away from being a blank slate and the medical model of mental health treatment</li>
<li>Self-care as a helper, therapist, social worker, or counselor</li>
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