Shoulder to Shoulder https://www.percheronllc.com en This is Shoulder to Shoulder, a podcast about land, energy, infrastructure and the people responsible for the stories behind them. Every major project begins with land, but what’s really interesting is what lies beneath the surface. It’s the judgment calls, the tradeoffs, and the ability to navigate an endless world of complexity that determines the ending to those stories. Each episode, we sit down with trendsetting leaders, operators, and thinkers across the industry to explore how big decisions are made. This isn’t a technical manual. This is not a project roadmap. This is not meant to pick winners and losers. It’s telling the stories of the land, and we’re glad you’re here with us - Shoulder to Shoulder. https://megaphone.imgix.net/podcasts/84338604-c18b-11f1-8074-3b51c51550b4/image/c74fc97a4f5bd093c5cc697556622a21.png?ixlib=rails-4.3.1&max-w=3000&max-h=3000&fit=crop&auto=format,compress Shoulder to Shoulder https://www.percheronllc.com episodic Percheron This is Shoulder to Shoulder, a podcast about land, energy, infrastructure and the people responsible for the stories behind them. Every major project begins with land, but what’s really interesting is what lies beneath the surface. It’s the judgment calls, the tradeoffs, and the ability to navigate an endless world of complexity that determines the ending to those stories. Each episode, we sit down with trendsetting leaders, operators, and thinkers across the industry to explore how big decisions are made. This isn’t a technical manual. This is not a project roadmap. This is not meant to pick winners and losers. It’s telling the stories of the land, and we’re glad you’re here with us - Shoulder to Shoulder. This is Shoulder to Shoulder, a podcast about land, energy, infrastructure and the people responsible for the stories behind them. Every major project begins with land, but what’s really interesting is what lies beneath the surface. It’s the judgment calls, the tradeoffs, and the ability to navigate an endless world of complexity that determines the ending to those stories.

Each episode, we sit down with trendsetting leaders, operators, and thinkers across the industry to explore how big decisions are made. This isn’t a technical manual. This is not a project roadmap. This is not meant to pick winners and losers. It’s telling the stories of the land, and we’re glad you’re here with us - Shoulder to Shoulder.

]]> Percheron sts@speakerboxmedia.com  Is Geothermal the Oil & Gas Industry's Next Big Bet? In this episode of Shoulder to Shoulder, hosts Vincent Caruso and Amanda Winter Cassidy dive into the rising momentum behind geothermal energy — and why many in the oil and gas industry believe it's the natural next chapter for their skill set. Join them as they explore actionable insights and emerging technology with Elizabeth Cambre, Business Development Manager for New Energies (lithium, geothermal, and nuclear) at Vallourec. From enhanced geothermal systems (EGS) and closed-loop technology to retrofitting old oil and gas wells and the role data centers are playing in accelerating demand, this episode is packed with insight for anyone tracking the next wave of energy infrastructure. 🎧 Episode Highlights [00:00] Introduction to the geothermal boom and today's guest, Elizabeth Cambre. [02:15] Elizabeth's geothermal roots are a family affair spanning a North Dakota geothermal farm, district heating installs, and academic research. [06:00] Her path from fracking engineer in the Middle East to geothermal advocate, and the "aha moment" at the first Pivot Geothermal conference. [10:33] Breaking down the different types of geothermal: hydrothermal, EGS, closed loop, hot sedimentary aquifers, and NEG. [14:00] The opportunity in retrofitting abandoned oil and gas wells into geothermal wells, and the growing industry interest behind it. [17:09] What's actually holding the industry back: not the technology, but capital and de-risking assets. [24:05] Gaining public trust and planning community education [30:00] How AI and public data are being used to identify new geothermal exploration sites (with a nod to companies like Zanskar). [40:00] A look at where the industry could be in 5, 10, and 25 years. 🔑 Key Takeaways: Takeaway 1: The technology to produce electricity from geothermal already exists. The real constraints holding back scale are capital, investment, and de-risking subsurface assets, not innovation. Takeaway 2: Oil and gas expertise transfers almost seamlessly to geothermal, especially enhanced geothermal systems (EGS), because both rely on the same drilling and fracking skill sets adapted for higher temperatures. Takeaway 3: Public education is the biggest hurdle for widespread geothermal adoption. Unlike solar or wind, geothermal is "invisible." Most people never see it working, so awareness and community engagement matter as much as engineering. 👤 Guest Spotlight: Elizabeth Cambre, Business Development Manager, New Energies (Lithium, Geothermal & Nuclear) at Vallourec. Elizabeth brings a chemical engineering background and years of hands-on oil and gas experience, including field work as a fracking engineer in the Middle East and multiple roles with oilfield service companies in Houston. Geothermal runs in her family, from her mother's geothermal farm in North Dakota to relatives who've spent careers installing district heating systems and researching well-retrofit technology. Elizabeth is also active in Women in Geothermal, where she spotlights industry pioneers through written profiles. In this episode, she shares how her oil-and-gas background shaped her pivot into geothermal and why she believes the industry is on the edge of a boom. Stay connected: www.vallourec.com www.percheronllc.com Geothermal Unleashed Produced by Speakerbox Media Wed, 21 Oct 2026 10:00:00 -0000 full Percheron In this episode of Shoulder to Shoulder, hosts Vincent Caruso and Amanda Winter Cassidy dive into the rising momentum behind geothermal energy — and why many in the oil and gas industry believe it's the natural next chapter for their skill set. Join them as they explore actionable insights and emerging technology with Elizabeth Cambre, Business Development Manager for New Energies (lithium, geothermal, and nuclear) at Vallourec. From enhanced geothermal systems (EGS) and closed-loop technology to retrofitting old oil and gas wells and the role data centers are playing in accelerating demand, this episode is packed with insight for anyone tracking the next wave of energy infrastructure. 🎧 Episode Highlights [00:00] Introduction to the geothermal boom and today's guest, Elizabeth Cambre. [02:15] Elizabeth's geothermal roots are a family affair spanning a North Dakota geothermal farm, district heating installs, and academic research. [06:00] Her path from fracking engineer in the Middle East to geothermal advocate, and the "aha moment" at the first Pivot Geothermal conference. [10:33] Breaking down the different types of geothermal: hydrothermal, EGS, closed loop, hot sedimentary aquifers, and NEG. [14:00] The opportunity in retrofitting abandoned oil and gas wells into geothermal wells, and the growing industry interest behind it. [17:09] What's actually holding the industry back: not the technology, but capital and de-risking assets. [24:05] Gaining public trust and planning community education [30:00] How AI and public data are being used to identify new geothermal exploration sites (with a nod to companies like Zanskar). [40:00] A look at where the industry could be in 5, 10, and 25 years. 🔑 Key Takeaways: Takeaway 1: The technology to produce electricity from geothermal already exists. The real constraints holding back scale are capital, investment, and de-risking subsurface assets, not innovation. Takeaway 2: Oil and gas expertise transfers almost seamlessly to geothermal, especially enhanced geothermal systems (EGS), because both rely on the same drilling and fracking skill sets adapted for higher temperatures. Takeaway 3: Public education is the biggest hurdle for widespread geothermal adoption. Unlike solar or wind, geothermal is "invisible." Most people never see it working, so awareness and community engagement matter as much as engineering. 👤 Guest Spotlight: Elizabeth Cambre, Business Development Manager, New Energies (Lithium, Geothermal & Nuclear) at Vallourec. Elizabeth brings a chemical engineering background and years of hands-on oil and gas experience, including field work as a fracking engineer in the Middle East and multiple roles with oilfield service companies in Houston. Geothermal runs in her family, from her mother's geothermal farm in North Dakota to relatives who've spent careers installing district heating systems and researching well-retrofit technology. Elizabeth is also active in Women in Geothermal, where she spotlights industry pioneers through written profiles. In this episode, she shares how her oil-and-gas background shaped her pivot into geothermal and why she believes the industry is on the edge of a boom. Stay connected: www.vallourec.com www.percheronllc.com Geothermal Unleashed Produced by Speakerbox Media In this episode of Shoulder to Shoulder, hosts Vincent Caruso and Amanda Winter Cassidy dive into the rising momentum behind geothermal energy — and why many in the oil and gas industry believe it's the natural next chapter for their skill set. Join them as they explore actionable insights and emerging technology with Elizabeth Cambre, Business Development Manager for New Energies (lithium, geothermal, and nuclear) at Vallourec. From enhanced geothermal systems (EGS) and closed-loop technology to retrofitting old oil and gas wells and the role data centers are playing in accelerating demand, this episode is packed with insight for anyone tracking the next wave of energy infrastructure.


🎧 Episode Highlights

[00:00] Introduction to the geothermal boom and today's guest, Elizabeth Cambre.

[02:15] Elizabeth's geothermal roots are a family affair spanning a North Dakota geothermal farm, district heating installs, and academic research.

[06:00] Her path from fracking engineer in the Middle East to geothermal advocate, and the "aha moment" at the first Pivot Geothermal conference.

[10:33] Breaking down the different types of geothermal: hydrothermal, EGS, closed loop, hot sedimentary aquifers, and NEG.

[14:00] The opportunity in retrofitting abandoned oil and gas wells into geothermal wells, and the growing industry interest behind it.

[17:09] What's actually holding the industry back: not the technology, but capital and de-risking assets.

[24:05] Gaining public trust and planning community education

[30:00] How AI and public data are being used to identify new geothermal exploration sites (with a nod to companies like Zanskar).

[40:00] A look at where the industry could be in 5, 10, and 25 years.



🔑 Key Takeaways:

Takeaway 1: The technology to produce electricity from geothermal already exists. The real constraints holding back scale are capital, investment, and de-risking subsurface assets, not innovation.

Takeaway 2: Oil and gas expertise transfers almost seamlessly to geothermal, especially enhanced geothermal systems (EGS), because both rely on the same drilling and fracking skill sets adapted for higher temperatures.

Takeaway 3: Public education is the biggest hurdle for widespread geothermal adoption. Unlike solar or wind, geothermal is "invisible." Most people never see it working, so awareness and community engagement matter as much as engineering.


👤 Guest Spotlight:

Elizabeth Cambre, Business Development Manager, New Energies (Lithium, Geothermal & Nuclear) at Vallourec.

Elizabeth brings a chemical engineering background and years of hands-on oil and gas experience, including field work as a fracking engineer in the Middle East and multiple roles with oilfield service companies in Houston. Geothermal runs in her family, from her mother's geothermal farm in North Dakota to relatives who've spent careers installing district heating systems and researching well-retrofit technology. Elizabeth is also active in Women in Geothermal, where she spotlights industry pioneers through written profiles. In this episode, she shares how her oil-and-gas background shaped her pivot into geothermal and why she believes the industry is on the edge of a boom.


Stay connected:

www.vallourec.com

www.percheronllc.com

Geothermal Unleashed


Produced by Speakerbox Media

]]> 3116 Data Centers, Trust, and the New Energy Land Rush: Brian Chen on What's Really Slowing AI Down In this episode of Shoulder to Shoulder, hosts Vin Caruso and Amanda Winter Cassidy sit down with Brian Chen, VP of Energy and Infrastructure Sales at Stewart Title, to talk about what's really driving — and slowing down — America's data center boom. Brian compares today's data center land rush to renewable energy development a decade ago, but with far deeper capital behind it and a faster path to community backlash. Drawing on his military background leading counterinsurgency and community engagement work in Afghanistan, Brian argues the biggest obstacle facing data center developers isn't land, power, or money — it's trust, and the industry's habit of operating in secrecy is making that problem worse. The conversation covers transmission bottlenecks, the misinformation swirling around tax abatements, why AI has become a national security race, and what developers can learn from renewable energy's own community-engagement growing pains. 🎧 Episode Highlights [00:02:00] Why data center development looks like early-stage renewables — same land-and-power scramble, but now with heavy community opposition. [00:12:00] Transmission infrastructure as the real bottleneck: the coming choice between multi-trillion-dollar grid buildout and a shift toward regional microgrids. [00:19:48] Brian's counterinsurgency background in Afghanistan, and why the same community-first playbook applies to data center developers today. [00:24:00] Why data centers have quietly existed for decades — and why the public only started noticing in the last few years. [00:31:28] The real AI jobs threat: it's not AI that replaces you, it's the person who knows how to use it. [00:38:30] The farmer's dilemma: why rural landowners see developers as their retirement plan — and their neighbors don't. [00:43:17] Debunking the "Texas lost $350 million to data centers" myth — how tax abatement misinformation spreads and what it actually means. [00:50:00] What renewable energy's advocacy groups (AWEA, SEIA) got right that data centers still haven't figured out. 🔑 Key Takeaways: •Takeaway 1: The biggest obstacle to data center development isn't land, power, or capital, it's trust. Communities that feel decisions are being made behind closed doors push back hard, regardless of the actual economic benefit. •Takeaway 2: Much of the public opposition to data centers is built on misinformation that goes unanswered — like the false claim that Texas "lost" $350 million to tax abatements, when abatements are a discount on taxes owed, not a credit or a loss. The industry's competitive secrecy is part of why that narrative goes uncorrected. •Takeaway 3: AI likely won't replace most people's jobs directly — but someone who's more efficient because they know how to use AI probably will. The skills gap, not the technology itself, is the real risk for most workers. 👤 Guest Spotlight: Brian Chen, VP of Energy and Infrastructure Sales, Stewart Title Brian Chen leads energy and infrastructure sales at Stewart Title, working at the intersection of land, title, and some of the largest data center and renewable energy projects in the country. Before his career in title and energy infrastructure, Brian served in the U.S. Army in Afghanistan, where his work centered on provincial reconstruction and counterinsurgency — building trust and buy-in with local communities, an experience that directly informs how he advises data center and renewable developers today. Outside of his day job, Brian mentors veterans transitioning out of the military, helping them see the range of civilian career paths available beyond their military occupational specialty. In this episode, he brings a rare combination of battlefield community-engagement experience and on-the-ground land expertise to one of the most contested conversations in American infrastructure. Stay Connected www.percheronllc.com Produced by Speakerbox Media Wed, 07 Oct 2026 10:00:00 -0000 full Percheron In this episode of Shoulder to Shoulder, hosts Vin Caruso and Amanda Winter Cassidy sit down with Brian Chen, VP of Energy and Infrastructure Sales at Stewart Title, to talk about what's really driving — and slowing down — America's data center boom. Brian compares today's data center land rush to renewable energy development a decade ago, but with far deeper capital behind it and a faster path to community backlash. Drawing on his military background leading counterinsurgency and community engagement work in Afghanistan, Brian argues the biggest obstacle facing data center developers isn't land, power, or money — it's trust, and the industry's habit of operating in secrecy is making that problem worse. The conversation covers transmission bottlenecks, the misinformation swirling around tax abatements, why AI has become a national security race, and what developers can learn from renewable energy's own community-engagement growing pains. 🎧 Episode Highlights [00:02:00] Why data center development looks like early-stage renewables — same land-and-power scramble, but now with heavy community opposition. [00:12:00] Transmission infrastructure as the real bottleneck: the coming choice between multi-trillion-dollar grid buildout and a shift toward regional microgrids. [00:19:48] Brian's counterinsurgency background in Afghanistan, and why the same community-first playbook applies to data center developers today. [00:24:00] Why data centers have quietly existed for decades — and why the public only started noticing in the last few years. [00:31:28] The real AI jobs threat: it's not AI that replaces you, it's the person who knows how to use it. [00:38:30] The farmer's dilemma: why rural landowners see developers as their retirement plan — and their neighbors don't. [00:43:17] Debunking the "Texas lost $350 million to data centers" myth — how tax abatement misinformation spreads and what it actually means. [00:50:00] What renewable energy's advocacy groups (AWEA, SEIA) got right that data centers still haven't figured out. 🔑 Key Takeaways: •Takeaway 1: The biggest obstacle to data center development isn't land, power, or capital, it's trust. Communities that feel decisions are being made behind closed doors push back hard, regardless of the actual economic benefit. •Takeaway 2: Much of the public opposition to data centers is built on misinformation that goes unanswered — like the false claim that Texas "lost" $350 million to tax abatements, when abatements are a discount on taxes owed, not a credit or a loss. The industry's competitive secrecy is part of why that narrative goes uncorrected. •Takeaway 3: AI likely won't replace most people's jobs directly — but someone who's more efficient because they know how to use AI probably will. The skills gap, not the technology itself, is the real risk for most workers. 👤 Guest Spotlight: Brian Chen, VP of Energy and Infrastructure Sales, Stewart Title Brian Chen leads energy and infrastructure sales at Stewart Title, working at the intersection of land, title, and some of the largest data center and renewable energy projects in the country. Before his career in title and energy infrastructure, Brian served in the U.S. Army in Afghanistan, where his work centered on provincial reconstruction and counterinsurgency — building trust and buy-in with local communities, an experience that directly informs how he advises data center and renewable developers today. Outside of his day job, Brian mentors veterans transitioning out of the military, helping them see the range of civilian career paths available beyond their military occupational specialty. In this episode, he brings a rare combination of battlefield community-engagement experience and on-the-ground land expertise to one of the most contested conversations in American infrastructure. Stay Connected www.percheronllc.com Produced by Speakerbox Media In this episode of Shoulder to Shoulder, hosts Vin Caruso and Amanda Winter Cassidy sit down with Brian Chen, VP of Energy and Infrastructure Sales at Stewart Title, to talk about what's really driving — and slowing down — America's data center boom. Brian compares today's data center land rush to renewable energy development a decade ago, but with far deeper capital behind it and a faster path to community backlash. Drawing on his military background leading counterinsurgency and community engagement work in Afghanistan, Brian argues the biggest obstacle facing data center developers isn't land, power, or money — it's trust, and the industry's habit of operating in secrecy is making that problem worse. The conversation covers transmission bottlenecks, the misinformation swirling around tax abatements, why AI has become a national security race, and what developers can learn from renewable energy's own community-engagement growing pains.


🎧 Episode Highlights

[00:02:00] Why data center development looks like early-stage renewables — same land-and-power scramble, but now with heavy community opposition.

[00:12:00] Transmission infrastructure as the real bottleneck: the coming choice between multi-trillion-dollar grid buildout and a shift toward regional microgrids.

[00:19:48] Brian's counterinsurgency background in Afghanistan, and why the same community-first playbook applies to data center developers today.

[00:24:00] Why data centers have quietly existed for decades — and why the public only started noticing in the last few years.

[00:31:28] The real AI jobs threat: it's not AI that replaces you, it's the person who knows how to use it.

[00:38:30] The farmer's dilemma: why rural landowners see developers as their retirement plan — and their neighbors don't.

[00:43:17] Debunking the "Texas lost $350 million to data centers" myth — how tax abatement misinformation spreads and what it actually means.

[00:50:00] What renewable energy's advocacy groups (AWEA, SEIA) got right that data centers still haven't figured out.


🔑 Key Takeaways:

•Takeaway 1: The biggest obstacle to data center development isn't land, power, or capital, it's trust. Communities that feel decisions are being made behind closed doors push back hard, regardless of the actual economic benefit.

•Takeaway 2: Much of the public opposition to data centers is built on misinformation that goes unanswered — like the false claim that Texas "lost" $350 million to tax abatements, when abatements are a discount on taxes owed, not a credit or a loss. The industry's competitive secrecy is part of why that narrative goes uncorrected.

•Takeaway 3: AI likely won't replace most people's jobs directly — but someone who's more efficient because they know how to use AI probably will. The skills gap, not the technology itself, is the real risk for most workers.


👤 Guest Spotlight:

Brian Chen, VP of Energy and Infrastructure Sales, Stewart Title

Brian Chen leads energy and infrastructure sales at Stewart Title, working at the intersection of land, title, and some of the largest data center and renewable energy projects in the country. Before his career in title and energy infrastructure, Brian served in the U.S. Army in Afghanistan, where his work centered on provincial reconstruction and counterinsurgency — building trust and buy-in with local communities, an experience that directly informs how he advises data center and renewable developers today. Outside of his day job, Brian mentors veterans transitioning out of the military, helping them see the range of civilian career paths available beyond their military occupational specialty. In this episode, he brings a rare combination of battlefield community-engagement experience and on-the-ground land expertise to one of the most contested conversations in American infrastructure.


Stay Connected

www.percheronllc.com

Produced by Speakerbox Media

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