On the bonus episode available exclusively for Slate Plus members, the panel talks about Project B and the future for women’s basketball around the world.

Brunson for Mayor (4:27): The Knicks and New York politics

Guardians players indicted for gambling (23:27): Baseball stars face charges for prop bets.

Sports burglaries (45:52): The rash of robberies targeting pro athletes

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For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, Emily, John, and David discuss the life and legacy of former Vice President Dick Cheney, including his expansive views of presidential power, his role in the War on Terror, and the irony of his stance against Donald Trump during the 2024 election.

In the latest Gabfest Reads, Emily talks with Yale law professor John Witt about his new book, The Radical Fund: How a Band of Visionaries and a Million Dollars Upended America. They explore the remarkable story of the Garland Fund—a small 1920s foundation that bankrolled early work by A. Philip Randolph, and others who would go on to shape the civil rights and labor movements.

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This podcast is produced by Daisy Rosario, Vic Whitley-Berry, Candice Lim, and Kate Lindsay.

Here are this week’s chatters:

Emily: Stephanie Nolen for the New York Times: Millions of Women Will Lose Access to Contraception as a Result of Trump Aid Cuts.

John: Arthur Delaney for HuffPost: Emails Confirm Social Security Administration Canceled Maine Contracts As Political Payback; Fatima Hussein and Patrick Whittle for the Associated Press: Social Security’s acting leader faces calls to resign over decision to cut Maine contracts. Bodkin on Netflix.

David: Book Challenger: A True Story of Heroism and Disaster on the Edge of Space, by author Adam Higginbotham; Movie The Intern with Robert De Niro and Anne Hathaway (official trailer on YouTube: The Intern); book Emma by Jane Austen (Emma ebook at Project Gutenberg; Emma at Jane Austen’s House).

Listener chatter from Emma in Lebanon, New Hampshire: Vermont’s ‘Mr. Maple’ Has Great Stories To Tell

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, Emily talks with Annie Karni and Luke Broadwater about their new book, Mad House: How Donald Trump, MAGA Mean Girls, A Former Used Car Salesman, A Florida Nepo Baby, and a Man With Rats In His Walls Broke Congress.

In the latest Gabfest Reads, David talks with author Adam Higginbotham about his new book, Challenger: A True Story of Heroism and Disaster on the Edge of Space.

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And after that discussion, we’ll of course circle up for a round of triumphs and fails.

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Podcast produced by Maura Currie. 

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, Emily, John, and David discuss the politics of the L.A. fires. 

In the latest Gabfest Reads, David talks with David Greenberg about his new biography, John Lewis: A Life. 

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Guest: Ryan Mac, tech reporter for The New York Times and the coauthor of the book “Character Limit How Elon Musk Destroyed Twitter.”

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Guest: Teddy Schleifer, covering politics for the New York Times.

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In this episode, we talk to two people who made big bets: Mike, a Latino Democrat who bet $10,000 on Kamala Harris winning, and Jordan, a white conservative Trump supporter who risked $60,000 on Trump's victory. And Slate’s business and tech reporter Nitish Pahwa helps Anna understand the changing legal context for gambling in America. 

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Guest: Drew Harwell, tech reporter for the Washington Post. 

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For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, Emily, John, and David answer Conundrums. Or Conundra.

In the latest Gabfest Reads, Emily talks with Stephanie Gorton about her new book, The Icon & the Idealist: Margaret Sanger, Mary Ware Dennett, and the Rivalry That Brought Birth Control to America. 

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For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, Emily, John, and David discuss the most fulfilling jobs in America.

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Guest: Nitish Pahwa, Slate business writer.

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Guest: Makena Kelly, senior writer at Wired.

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Guest: Christina Carrega, reporter at Capital B News

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Guest: Tatishe M. Nteta, Provost Professor of Political Science, Director of UMass Poll

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In the Slate Plus episode: After a week of anxiety, doomscrolling, and disappointment, the hosts discuss what they’re doing to distract themselves from the news.

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For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, Emily, John, and David give a few more thoughts on the 2024 elections. 

In the latest Gabfest Reads, John talks with Dan Harris about his book, 10% Happier 10th Anniversary Edition: How I Tamed the Voice in My Head, Reduced Stress Without Losing My Edge, and Found Self-Help That Actually Works – A True Story. 

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Guest: Zoë Schiffer, incoming director of business and industry at Wired, author of Extremely Hardcore: Inside Elon Musk’s Twitter.

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Guest: Niambi Carter, political analyst and author of American While Black: African Americans, Immigration, and the Limits of Citizenship.

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Guest: David Faris, politics professor at Roosevelt University and contributing writer for Slate.

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How long will the political Groundhog Day last—and what will it take to break this cycle?

Guests: Jamelle Bouie, New York Times opinion columnist.

Osita Nwanevu, contributing editor at the New Republic and columnist at The Guardian.

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Elizabeth’s book recommendations: 

V is for Voting by Kate Farrell

Equality’s Call: the Story of Voting Rights in America by Deborah Diesen

Usborne: Politics for Beginners 

The Politics Book: Big Ideas Simply Explained 

We’ll also check in on where the hosts are this week – and then, if you’re coming to hang out on the Slate Plus Playground, we’re sharing our deep-seated love of (and gripes with) daylight savings.

If you’re not part of the Slate Plus community, we hope you’ll consider joining! Keep reading to learn how.

Lucy’s check-in: back to the shitty little walk (as heard on Hear Me Out)

Elizabeth’s check-in: blow darts and ninja stars and teens and days in the month

Zak’s check-in: therapy 

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Podcast produced by Maura Currie.

Guest: Jacob Neiheisel, political science professor at the University at Buffalo 

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In the Plus segment: The New York Times took a sympathetic look at the parents of Sam Bankman-Fried and other jailed FTX execs. Our hosts found it to be pandering to the anxieties of the paper’s white, suburban readers. How much sympathy do the parents of 30-something corporate crooks really deserve? 

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Guest: Brandon Tensley, national political reporter for Capital B News

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For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, Emily, John, and David talk about Elon Musk following Donald Trump. 

In the latest Gabfest Reads, John talks with Dan Harris about his book, 10% Happier 10th Anniversary Edition: How I Tamed the Voice in My Head, Reduced Stress Without Losing My Edge, and Found Self-Help That Actually Works – A True Story. 

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Guest: Adam Serwer, staff writer for The Atlantic and author of The Cruelty is the Point: The Past, Present, and Future of Trump’s America. 

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For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, Emily, John, and David talk about Glossip v. Oklahoma, the recent death-penalty case argued before the U.S. Supreme Court. 

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For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, Emily, John, and David talk about media endorsements of political candidates. 

In the latest Gabfest Reads, David talks with Elizabeth Strout about her new book, Tell Me Everything: A Novel. 

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Guest: Mark Joseph Stern, Slate senior writer covering courts and the law.

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For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, Jamelle, John, and David talk with WyoFile’s Maya Shimizu Harris about the fight between the Wyoming Freedom Caucus and traditional Wyoming Republicans. 

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For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, David, Emily, and John discuss the all-important Electoral College vote of Nebraska’s 2ndcongressional district. 

In the latest Gabfest Reads, David talks with Elizabeth Strout about her new book, Tell Me Everything: A Novel. 

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In the Plus bonus mini-episode: Tupperware is bankrupt, but it shall live on in the underground communist container-sharing network.

Here’s a link to the Yukiko Morita bread lamps Emily mentioned in the numbers round.

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Guest: Christina Greer, professor and author of Black Ethnics: Race, Immigration, and the Pursuit of the American Dream.  

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Here are this week’s chatters:

Emily: Willa Paskin and Cheyna Roth for Decoder Ring: If You Give a Mouse a Cookie… Will He Want a Welfare Check? and Wangjie Hu et al. in Science: Genomic inference of a severe human bottleneck during the Early to Middle Pleistocene transition

John: Sasha Weiss for The New York Times Magazine: The Prince We Never Knew; Mike Wall for Space.com: New record! 19 people are orbiting Earth right now; and Black Fire by Sonni Cooper 

David: Hemispheres

Listener chatter from Curt Fonger in Daphne, Alabama: Caity Weaver for The New York Times Magazine: America Must Free Itself from the Tyranny of the Penny

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, David, Emily, and John continue their conversation with Nate Persily on election integrity. 

In the latest Gabfest Reads, Emily talks with Joshua Leifer about his book, Tablets Shattered. 

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In the latest Gabfest Reads, Emily talks with Joshua Leifer about his book, Tablets Shattered. 

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What’s the purpose of the presidential pardon? Well, depends on who you ask — hypothetically, it’s meant for course-correction and honoring restorative justice. But presidents on both ends of the spectrum have used it for purposes that are distinctly not that. So do we need the pardon or do we need to get rid of it… and either way, what’s next?

Kim Wehle joins us once again to talk about her new book, Pardon Power.

Hear Me Out ends next week. So, before then, please feel free to email the show: hearmeout@slate.com

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Here are this week’s chatters:

Emily: Wayne Homes: The Great Debate: Front Porch vs. Back Porch; Mariah Timms for The Wall Street Journal: Lawsuits Fly Over Election Rules and Who Gets to Vote; Fin Gómez and Nidia Cavazos for CBS News: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton raids Latino Democrats’ homes, including those of LULAC members; and Frederka Schouten and Tierney Sneed for CNN: Democrats sue to block new GOP-backed Georgia election certification rules

John: Glenn Thrush for The New York Times: Would-Be Trump Assassin’s Interest in Violence Went Back to 2019

David: Jonathan Shaw for Harvard Magazine: Mapping the Human Brain

Listener chatter from Adam Webb in Chicago: Paul Collins in The Believer: Why Can’t My Son Vote?

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, David, Emily, and John will talk about the Kamala Harris-Tim Walz interview. Bonus content this week will be available on Friday.

In the latest Gabfest Reads, Emily talks with Joshua Leifer about his book, Tablets Shattered. 

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We’ll also tackle a round of Triumphs & Fails — including a story about a very special language lesson. 

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Claudia de la Cruz cannot, mathematically, win the presidency. But she’s running anyway… because the two-party system doesn’t lend itself to real representation or the public interest.

Claudia joins us to make the case for voting socialist, because the parties with all the power aren’t as different as they want you to think.

We’ll also share an important update about the future of Hear Me Out at the end of the episode. After that, please feel free to email the show: hearmeout@slate.com

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Here are this week’s chatters:

John: @jdickerson on Threads: Background Sounds on iPhone

Emily: Tablets Shattered by Joshua Leifer; Gabfest Reads: Where Does the American Jewish Experience Go from Here?; and Ginia Bellafante for The New York Times: A Bookshop Cancels an Event Over a Rabbi’s Zionism, Prompting Outrage

David: David Wade for WBZ News: How do you stop political texts on your phone?; Presumed Innocent by Apple TV+ and Presumed Innocent by Warner Bros.; and Road House by Prime Video and Road House by United Artists 

Listener chatter from Scott Rada in La Crosse, Wisconsin: ChatGPT’s Slate pitches for 3,000 B.C. 

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, available Friday, August 23, David, Emily, and John talk about Kamala Harris’s nomination acceptance speech.

In the latest Gabfest Reads, Emily talks with Joshua Leifer about his book, Tablets Shattered. 

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Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz

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Marin Cogan for Vox: What happens when everyone decides they need a gun? and Nicole Narea: Violent crime is plummeting. Why?

Here are this week’s chatters:

Emily: Xochitl Gonzalez for The Atlantic: To Save The World, My Mother Abandoned Me and Phil Klay for The New York Times Magazine: Artists and Activists Both Have a Role. But Not the Same One.

Marin: Switzerland Events; Geneva Events Calendar; and Berner Zibelemärit (Onion Market)

David: Will Sullivan for Smithsonian Magazine: The World’s Largest Iceberg Is Stuck in a Spinning Ocean Vortex and NASA: Iceberg A23a in the Southern Ocean, Antarctica

Listener chatter from Simon Jones in Paris, France: Evan Ratliff’s Shell Game podcast

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, David, Emily, and Marin talk about pets and babies. See Anonymous in The Cut: Why Did I Stop Loving My Cat When I Had a Baby?.

In the latest Gabfest Reads, John talks with Roland Allen about his book, The Notebook: A History of Thinking on Paper. 

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Here are this week’s chatters:

Juliette: NBC: Paris 2024 and International Olympic Committee: Olympic Channel

Emily: International Olympic Committee: Table tennis rules, scoring system and all you need to know; Jake Rossen for Mental Floss: Why Do Some Olympic Athletes Wear Paper Numbers?; International Olympic Committee: Sports Swap; and Maia Hjelmar for GQ Australia: 16 Olympic athletes who succeeded in more than one sport 

David: Maximilien Van Aertryck and Axel Danielson in The New York Times: Ten Meter Tower

Listener chatter from Fraser Ronald in Ottawa, Canada: Ari Berkowitz for Scientific American: Is Your Nervous System a Democracy or a Dictatorship?

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, David, Emily, and Juliette talk about RFK Jr. and The Bear. See Clare Malone for The New Yorker: What Does Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Actually Want?

In the latest Gabfest Reads, John talks with Roland Allen about his book, The Notebook: A History of Thinking on Paper. 

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Guest: Second Gentleman of the United States Doug Emhoff

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Guest: Veteran journalist Roland Martin, host of “Roland Martin Unfiltered”

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John: The World Jigsaw Puzzle Championship

Emily: Social Security and Trends in Wealth Inequality and The Sea Change

David: Who Goes Nazi? By Dorothy Thompson

Listener chatter from former Slatester Torie Bosche on the Edith Roller Journals

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, David, John, and Emily about the wildfires raging out west and David’s own escape from Jasper National Park.

In the latest Gabfest Reads, David talks with Sierra Greer about her new book, Annie Bot: A Novel. And Gabfest Reads now has its own site!

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Podcast production by Cheyna Roth 

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Kamala Harris is having a brat summer, which means that you’re likely seeing lots of questions about what brat summer is and why anyone cares. But the meme being co-opted by the Harris campaign is just a small piece of the bigger puzzle.

Writer and podcast host H. Alan Scott joins Hear Me Out to argue that pop stars have a huge amount of political influence — that, coupled with “cool factor,” could swing the election.  

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Guest: Nitish Pahwa, associate writer for business and tech at Slate.

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Guest: Niambi Carter, political analyst and author of American While Black: African Americans, Immigration, and the Limits of Citizenship.

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Research by Ethan Oberman 

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Guest: Drew Harwell, technology reporter at the Washington Post. 

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Guests: Political Analyst and former RNC Chair Michael Steele

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Here are this week’s chatters:

John: The television series, Shetland on BritBox

Mary: The New York Times: “100 Best Books of the 21st Century” 

Listener chatter: Matt from Holland, MI on a visual representation of wealth inequality in America. 

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, John and Mary talk about what to expect at the Democratic National Convention. 

In the latest Gabfest Reads, David talks with Sierra Greer about her new book, Annie Bot: A Novel. And Gabfest Reads now has its own site!

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Research by Kat Hong 

Coming into the 2024 election cycle, generative AI was one of the main concerns for democracy watchdogs; its power to create deceptive text, images and sounds at a rapid, unfettered pace seems ripe to spread misinformation. But of all the controversies and current events that have shaped the election thus far… AI, somehow, might not be one of them. 

Writer and social strategist Rachel Greenspan joins us to share what she’s hearing about the AI revolution that wasn’t.

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Guest: Jim Newell, Slate’s senior politics writer

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Guests: Isaac Arnsdorf, national political reporter for The Washington Post, and David Graham, staff writer at The Atlantic.

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 George Clooney in The New York Times: I Love Joe Biden. But We Need a New Nominee.

Franklin Foer for The Atlantic: Biden Has Fallen Into a Psychological Trap

Leigh Ann Caldwell, Marianna Sotomayor, Jacqueline Alemany, and Paul Kane for The Washington Post: Pelosi opens the door, subtly, to replacing Biden

Merriam-Webster Dictionary: coronate and ideate

Tim Alberta for The Atlantic: Trump Is Planning For A Landslide Win

Ryan Teague Beckwith for MSNBC: What is Project 2025? The plans for Trump’s second term, explained

Judd Legum for Popular Information: What Trump doesn’t want you to know about Project 2025 and The alarming new power Trump will claim in a second term

James Taranto for The Wall Street Journal: Strange New Respect

Ann E. Marimow for The Washington Post: Justice Amy Coney Barrett is charting her own path on the bench

Stephen I. Vladeck in The New York Times: The Most Interesting Justice on the Supreme Court Is Also the Loneliest

James LaRock and Jacob Hammond for Balls and Strikes: The Hollow Originalism of Amy Coney Barrett

Oyez: Amy Coney Barrett

Here are this week’s chatters: 

John: Joshua Hammer for Smithsonian Magazine: Pablo Escobar’s Abandoned Hippos Are Wreaking Havoc in the Columbia Jungle

Emily: Andrea Robin Skinner for the Toronto Star: My stepfather sexually abused me when I was a child. My mother, Alice Munro, chose to stay with him

David: Natasha Singer for The New York Times: Students Target Teachers in Group TikTok Attack, Shaking Their School and City Cast DC Live Podcast Taping on Saturday, July 13

Listener chatter from Researcher Julie: Alexandra Alter for The New York Times: Romance Bookstores Are Booming, Dishing ‘All the Hot Stuff You Can Imagine’ and Elisabeth Egan: Emily Henry on Writing Best-Sellers Without Tours and TikTok; Jeffrey A. Trachtenberg, Ellen Gamerman, and Isabella Simonetti for The Wall Street Journal: How Dragons, Magic and Steamy Sex Took Over the Book World; and Bridgerton on Netflix

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus episode, David, John, and Emily talk with Professor Emily Wilson about her translation of Homer’s Iliad. See The Iliad by Homer, translated by Emily Wilson. See also The Odyssey by Homer, translated by Emily Wilson.

In the latest Gabfest Reads, David talks with Sierra Greer about her new book, Annie Bot: A Novel. And Gabfest Reads now has its own site!

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Here are some notes and references from the show: 

CNN Presidential Debate: President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump

Will Weissert for AP: Here’s why it would be tough for Democrats to replace Joe Biden on the presidential ticket

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Guest: Margaret Sullivan, columnist covering media, politics and culture for The Guardian

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Guest: Jake Lahut, political reporter at the Daily Beast, covering Republican campaigns.

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Democratic strategists are reportedly freaking out about Joe Biden. Despite his opponent’s felony convictions, Biden remains unpopular and isn’t polling well in swing states. Young voters are mad about his handling of the war in Gaza; many Americans remain convinced that the economy is bad and the president is to blame for it.

So if strategists’ worst fears come to pass… how much of this wound is self-inflicted?

Hayes Brown of MSNBC joins Hear Me Out to argue that Biden is falling into a classic triangulation trap… and that it probably won’t be worth it.

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Podcast production by Maura Currie.

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Betting on the results of elections is illegal in the United States – though that hasn’t stopped sportsbooks overseas from cashing in. And that doesn’t mean that Americans haven’t placed bets on election results in the U.S., either; that’s a tradition that dates back centuries.

There’s a push now to make elections betting legal on American soil — and for American companies to run online casinos. Futures markets are complicated, and it might feel gross, or even dangerous, to gamble on democracy… but of all the types of gambling we do allow, what if this one is actually the biggest good to society?

Eric Zitzewitz of Dartmouth joins us to bet on the value of election betting.

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Guest: Legal analyst Yodit Tewolde

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Guest: Bill Pruitt, producer for seasons 1 and 2 of The Apprentice.

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Congress is historically unpopular; it’s one of the few things that people on both sides of the aisle can agree on. But what could be done to actually fix our legislature?

Term limits are often posed as a good potential start. But there are those who argue that that’s not the best way to fix our legislature — and the pool of people who feel that way isn’t exclusively career politicians, either.

Charlie Hunt, a professor at Boise State University, joins us to argue against term limits.

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Hear Me Out had its first-ever live show on May 4, 2024 — and it was such a great conversation that we wanted to make sure our podcast listeners heard it, too. 

The Cascade PBS Ideas Festival was full of smart, unconventional thinkers on the biggest issues facing this country… so what better place to have a conversation about Donald Trump, and the future of this country? 

It’s tempting to think of the MAGA ideology as an unprecedented threat to democracy. But is it? Or are the authoritarian, anti-democratic ideas percolating into our mainstream politics a feature, rather than a bug?

Historian and author Heather Cox Richardson joined us in Seattle.

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Guest: Ken Bensinger, New York Times political reporter covering right-wing media and national campaigns.

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This past week (that lasted about a year) at the Supreme Court began badly and only went downhill from there. By Wednesday, justices were trying to set aside the facts of women being airlifted out of states where they can no longer access care to protect their major organs and reproductive future, if that emergency healthcare indicates an abortion - in favor of pondering the spending clause. On Thursday, the shocking reality of the violent storming of the Capitol on January 6th 2021, and former President Trump’s many schemes to overturn the election and stay in power, were relegated to lower-case concerns as opposed to ALL CAPS panic over hypothetical aggressive prosecutors. 

On this week’s Amicus, Dahlia Lithwick is joined by leading constitutional scholar and former assistant Professor Pam Karlan of Stanford Law School and a former deputy assistant attorney general in the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice. Slate’s senior legal writer Mark Joseph Stern also joins the conversation about the MAGA justices flying the flag in arguments in Trump v United States.

In today’s bonus episode only for Slate Plus members, Jeremy Stahl gives Dahlia Lithwick a view from inside the courtroom of Donald Trump’s hush money trial. 

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A competitive presidential election draws closer every day – and as ever, every vote will count. So is it fair to accuse third-party voters of wasting a vote, as often happens? Or are third-party candidates actually preserving what little we have left of a competitive democracy? 

Bernard Tamas of Valdosta State University joins us to make the case for the power of the third party.

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The first criminal trial of Donald Trump is finally here. This week, hundreds of possible jurors filed through Judge Juan Merchan’s courtroom in lower Manhattan. The selection process was a preview of some of the challenges and pitfalls in the first ever criminal trial of a sitting or former President. On this week’s show, Slate’s senior legal writer Mark Joseph Stern sits down with Slate jurisprudence editor and Chief Law of Trump™ correspondent Jeremy Stahl to discuss what we learned this week, and what we can expect when the trial truly gets underway next week. 

In today’s bonus episode only for Slate Plus members, Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Joseph Stern welcome Justice Clarence Thomas back from his long weekend, with a close listen to the January 6th case that was argued before the court on Tuesday. Fischer v United States is raising more alarm bells about the conservative justices’ posture toward armed insurrection. They also dig into Justice Elena Kagan’s opinion in a potentially tricky TitleVII case that, miraculously for this court, went pretty well in terms of civil rights protections in the workplace. Listen now by subscribing to Slate Plus. By joining, not only will you unlock exclusive SCOTUS analysis and weekly extended episodes of Amicus, but you’ll also access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/amicusplus to get access wherever you listen.

Guest: Dave Weigel, reporter for Semafor.

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On this week’s Amicus, Dahlia Lithwick is joined by Juliette Kayyem to dissect Trump's impact on legal, national security, and ideological fronts. Kayyem brings her national security expertise to discuss the evolution of Trump's tactics from stochastic terror to direct incitement. Together, they explore the implications for democracy of a presidential campaign where one candidate issues violent threats and tries to intimidate judges. Kayyem lays out in stark terms the kinds of focus and planning needed in the coming months.

Juliette Kayyem is a national security expert, Harvard lecturer, CNN analyst, Atlantic contributor, and author of 'The Devil Never Sleeps: Learning to Live in an Age of Disasters.' Avowedly not a lawyer, she approaches America’s political predicament using counter-terrorism approaches to Trump’s movement and preparations for the 2024 elections. 

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Guest: Marilyn Lands, Alabama lawmaker who won a special election for the state’s House of Representatives.

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Guest: Benjy Sarlin, Washington Bureau Chief at Semafor

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Purity, in political science, doesn’t have anything to do with morality. It has to do with whether your policy aligns with your principles. 

From “Bernie Bros” to the uncommitted vote against Biden, we’ve seen progressives protect ideological purity… and punish stances that don’t align. An all-or-nothing stance on issues like universal healthcare and student loan forgiveness might sound appealing to voters. But does it doom progress, practically, if an increment isn’t good enough?

Shaniqua McClendon, VP of Politics for Crooked Media, joins us to argue against progressive purity politics.

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Guest: Pramila Jayapal, U.S. representative from Washington's 7th congressional district and the chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

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It’s Super Tuesday, and the process by which we elect a president is on full display (warts and all). Americans on both sides of the aisle agree that the electoral college has to go. But what should replace it? 

Maxwell Stearns, author of Parliamentary America: The Least Radical Means of Radically Repairing Our Broken Democracy (out 3/5/2024), presents his case for restructuring American government to look more like a parliamentary system — and, in the process, to take presidential elections out of the hands of voters and conventions and into the hands of elected coalitions.

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Guest: Alexander Sammon, Slate politics writer. 

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Guest: Reverend Lennox Yearwood Jr., chief of the Hip Hop Caucus

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Guest: David Faris, political science professor and Slate politics writer.

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Mainstream news outlets are starting to move away from horse race election coverage and toward policy substance. Though it’s a slow change, it’s heralded by much of the news industry as a good one. But what if the horse race was never really the problem? 

Journalist and writer Chris Cillizza joins us to defend the horse race.

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Guest: Fred Kaplan, Slate’s war stories correspondent.

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Guest: Shelby Talcott, reporter covering Trump and national Republicans for Semafor.

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Guest: Mark Chiusano, writer, journalist, and author of The Fabulist: The Lying, Hustling, Grifting, Stealing, and Very American Legend of George Santos.

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Guest: Ben Mathis-Lilley, Slate senior writer.

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Guest: Jamelle Bouie, New York Times opinion columnist.

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Guest: Max Tani, media reporter at Semafor.

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Guest: Ankush Khardori, attorney and former federal prosecutor in the U.S. Justice Department.

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A few weeks ago, Frank Buckley joined us to argue that Trump voters aren’t delusional. And a lot of you disagreed.

One of you, though, turned out to be an expert in the nature of delusion. So who better to join us, and make the case that we got it wrong?

Barry Mauer, a Hear Me Out listener and associate professor at the University of Central Florida, joins us to argue that the pro-Trump movement isn’t just delusional — it’s dangerous, it’s a cult, and it has to be called what it is.

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Guest: Grace Panetta, political reporter at The 19th News.

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Guest: Isaac Arnsdorf, national political reporter for The Washington Post covering former-president Trump.

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Guest: Ben Mathis-Lilley, Slate senior writer

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Guest: Writer Clay Cane

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Guest: Rev. Angela Denker, Lutheran pastor and author of Red State Christians: A Journey into White Christian Nationalism and the Wreckage It Leaves Behind

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Guest: Alexander Sammon, politics writer for Slate. 

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Guest: Errin Haines, founding mother and editor-at-large for The 19th*

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Guest: Ari Berman, voting-rights reporter for Mother Jones and author of “Give Us the Ballot: The Modern Struggle for Voting Rights in America.”

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Welcome to a presidential election year, where everyone will surely be cool and normal. We know, we know — the prospect of dealing with electoral discourse is one that most of us aren’t looking forward to. But we’re here to prove that it’s possible to talk. 

For Democrats, and liberals writ large, it’s hard to understand why anyone would want another Trump presidency; and it’s tempting to chalk that desire up to delusion, idiocy, or gullibility. But is that a good-faith assumption?

Author and professor Frank Buckley joins us to defend the 2024 Trump voter — as someone who earnestly believes the other side is worse.

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This week on Amicus, we’re trying to understand the myth-making that helped foment the riot, and the religious fervor that binds and buoys Trump’s supporters today. Dahlia Lithwick is joined by Jeff Sharlet, author of “The Undertow: Scenes From a Slow Civil War” to explore the stories and symbols that are shaping Trump’s march toward fascism, and to figure out what place the rule of law has in this struggle. 

In this week’s Amicus Plus segment, Slate’s dynamic legal duo of Mark Joseph Stern and Jeremy Stahl break down the latest in Trump’s cascading court cases, and the Texas abortion case that’s on a fast track to the Supreme Court. 

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